Gil's Arena DESTROYS JJ Redick For Disrespecting Jordan

[@trumoomoo]

McCants is proving the fundamental flaw in the goat debate. Some people are answering the question of who’s the best, and some people are answering the question of who they like more.

[@uncleb7821]

6 rings in 13 years. 4 rings in 21 years and counting. What’s the debate?

[@bliine]

​@@uncleb7821they don't get it

[@cleanfire2948]

@@uncleb7821 bill russell 11 rings in 13 years whats the debate?

[@trumoomoo]

@@uncleb7821 11 rings in 13 years… if that’s how we’re deciding you’re right there is no debate it’s Bill Russell and it’s not close

[@moeketsimolai7374]

​@uncleb7821 so we're only comparing rings? We are not looking at the total resume? Which includes the non championship seasons as well as measuring their competition

[@88rkinlaw]

If any era is watered down, it's this one. Play -ins. In season tournaments. Load management. Traveling/Carrying. Klutch sports clients all over the NBA and media.

[@jamesh6516]

Facts bunch of wimps in today’s league anyway

[@strifefresh3998]

That part

[@staceytaylor2652]

And throw in 2 way players in today's league. Is that top talent.

[@bigdogmalik1972]

Why can't they ALL be great n just leave it at that? 🤷🏿

[@iknowsports6366]

That klutch sports line brought out all the lebron hate in you lol

[@kuunami]

I don't understand what this obsession is with discrediting Michael Jordan these days.

[@lcasanova2546]

CAUSE THEY WANT HIS ATTENTION AND BAITING HIM TO SPEAK OUT IN RETALIATION...

[@mothedon3599]

To put LBJ over MJ

[@SirrLamee]

⁠@@lcasanova2546no one thinks MJ is going to respond to them cuz he hasn’t done that in decades pal. Why do people discredit Lebron? Why do people discredit Kobe? Y’all just be waffling

[@DracoTheDragonSlayer]

Lebron is about to retire and they want him to have a valid goat case and the majority of people on social media now are not old enough to see MJ play

[@eemfunnyasf]

90s aren’t as good as everyone says they were. That’s not discrediting anything accomplished back then, it’s being realistic.

[@ylee5923]

Former Duke player trashing a former UNC player? Didn't see that coming........🙄

[@Rellbronjames9]

💯💯💯

[@rusone2516]

MFs out here taking 5 steps with no traveling call. But this is the best Basketball era.

[@sebastianlang6314]

Skill wise yes by a long shot look at just the spacing from 2013 to now shooting is a skill the nba implemented euro rules where you get a gather step before your 2 steps

[@rusone2516]

@@sebastianlang6314 You just described one way the NBA watered the rules down to artificially advance the game and enhance viewership... And the skills you're talking about are based on the past. NBA trainers look at the things that worked and didn't work the last 10 years for former NBA players. And train current players to do the moves that work. So those advanced skills are only there because of people watching the past. So I do agree offensive skills are at a all time high. But I also understand that it's based on the watering down of officiating and NBA rules. Allowing NBA level athletes more freedom of movement and space.

[@rusone2516]

@@sebastianlang6314 When was the last time you seen a ref call carry or traveling? Not blaming players I'm just saying. This is a watering down of the rules that makes players look more skilled and increases scoring.

[@Cakebattered]

Last time I checked, double dribbling, traveling, and carrying the ball shows a lack of skill. Players today get a gather step, but the refa srill refuse to call steps in adition to the gather step. That simply a lack of the most basic basketball skills. The skill players have today is greater shooting, but it comes at the expense of proper ball handling and defense. Look at the 2004 Pistons, a modern team that played locked down defense. 2020 teams and players simply lack that

[@sebastianlang6314]

@@rusone2516 I’ve seen it this playoffs and the play in and the regular season. Every single man on the roster can contribute on offense back then they had dudes who couldn’t do anything and was there just to foul. Remember how everyone reacted when kd was about to go to the league now everyone has kd skill set the game evolved perfect offense always trumps perfect defense

[@Rumble225-qe7fy]

Like how they glossed over him saying Kobe averaging 35 is no big deal 😂 May not be big deal nowadays but back then defence was still alive.

[@deejayy8303]

Facts! Raja the arch nemesis 😂

[@FS-wk3zx]

He had to go up against the Kobe stopper Ruben Patterson

[@AMC12345]

Also don't forget how bad that Lakers team was.....he was chucking shots like he Bradley Beal in Washington

[@alexurbins3592]

​@@AMC12345 He was shooting like 47-48% field goal percentage while being a double team, which is really efficient . Also, if you really watched laker games he always shot whent clock was about to expire or every quarter chucking it got lucky. If you notice NBA doesn't do that as much because over 82 it drops your percentage for 3 pointers.

[@dtg0342]

💯

[@Yohn-Yohn_Ephraim]

Why is everyone forgetting about Kareem? 3 National Championships 6 NBA Championships 6 MVP’s

[@Augrills]

Kareem was never in the goat debate until they wanted the scoring record to matter for Lebron’s goat case

[@elai3147]

@@Augrillsgrowing up in the 80s kareem was definitely in the goat debate, we just didn’t call it that back then, nobody considered jordan until he started winning, even now some still do argue 33 is the goat

[@Yohn-Yohn_Ephraim]

Exactly… I’m 46 and grew up in Chicago watching us get whooped by Detroit for the longest. I remember they always had questions about MJ..can he play Defense? Can he win Defensive POY? Can he shoot consistently? Can he make teammates better? He checked all the boxes, but it took time. Kareem, Magic, Bird, Isaiah were already established. My 2 best are MJ and Kareem!!! Everyone else is a tier below in my opinion.

[@lilpronto3627]

Won’t be compared until wemby starts winning and getting rings, they compare by similarities and position for the most part… you’ll never hear James harden getting compared to Anthony Davis etc

[@shamirbrown8160]

Because it's fan base vs. Fan Base (not actually player vs. Player comparison).

[@jalenad11]

They added 6 teams for a total of 72 roster spots over MJ's era. In 2006 (the year JJ got drafted), the in-active list was added which made room for 3 extras on each of the 30 teams. That's 90 extra roster spots. By JJ's logic, his own era was more watered down than MJ's.

[@ByronJohnsonpodcast]

Wow excellent point, but he'll never bring that up

[@mikevick9581]

Adding 3 ppl to an extra roster doesn't really change. But when you're adding extra teams, adding players to those teams w no experience of nba play, and you playing them as competition for a title. The extra 3 in 06 still don't really even play

[@zayytesla]

Ehhh that’s basically just reserves lol you got that on any team even in little league

[@tarrellsmith3260]

@@mikevick9581They drafted from other teams. How did adding teams make players inexperienced?😂 You’re telling me these teams drafted nothing but rookies?😭

[@donaldclemons3181]

No! they drafted from other teams. The players deserved to be in the league. Look at the expansion grizzlies team.

[@superchadmarcogaming]

Its always gonna be hard to argue against the guy with two 3peats. MJ kept Hall of Famers from getting rings, while everybody got a ring off Lebron head.

[@lancehood7916]

Kept hall of famers prime hall of famers? Who other than Scottie was in their prime ? Back then 30 was old.

[@denowattley6602]

Mick also worked with 2 other hall of famers on each of them.

[@lancehood7916]

@@denowattley6602 im sorry Kucoc did what in the NBA? Rodman. Was past his prime. Scottie was drafted to the Bulls. Lebron had guys averaged 26 and 12 before, and back then age 30 was considered old that was one of many reasons he retired.

[@alexandermarquez2177]

@@lancehood7916 sure keep telling yourself that. You might eventually believe your own bullshit. Jordan is the GOAT in any era…deal with it

[@lancehood7916]

@@alexandermarquez2177 Jordans my Goat as well your comment looked like you were saying he had a bunch of help

[@wileyschmitt]

Jordan also had a GM who sabotaged a potential 4+ peat.

[@1D4ever]

Facts 💯

[@cremephoto]

The league bribed, to democratize winning 🥇

[@justlee5190]

George Karl and chip Kelly. The worst coaches in professional sports history

[@blade4174]

how did he dow as a gm?

[@wileyschmitt]

@@blade4174 Who cares.

[@robbd7011]

McCants had me rollin with that serial killer analogy! Hahahaha... "FBI ain't looking for you. He didn't mean it" 😂😂😂😂

[@alisalim8922]

What about Tim Duncan? 5 titles in 6 finals appearances? Championships in 3 different decades? Played with one team his whole career. Has the highest win percentage in NBA history?

[@quick2bud]

28:08 This is why. Duncan didnt do it the flashy way so he is slept on. People even say he isnt the greatest PF ever which is wild.

[@tyronedrane8394]

Oh he's the greatest but these fans now of days would put Anthony Davis and zion ahead of him and Karl Malone and Barkley

[@17mindgate]

​@quick2bud Greatest Power Forward... you know... now that I think about it... the only other contenders I can think of were Charles Barkley, Dennis Rodman, Karl Malone, Dirk Nowitsky, and Kevin Garnett... and overall, he was among the most consistent and well rounded. You might actually be right.

[@kennyhernandez06]

@@tyronedrane8394read what u just said

[@Ocselfed]

I honestly believe if you talk about goats There has to be two kinds of goats. Guard and forward/center. Should be 3 but center has disappeared. Duncan is a goat the best year San Antonio ever had was when they was the year before drafting Duncan. Pairing Duncan with Robinson was unreal.

[@fitzroymarcano4565]

The end arguement killed me.... lebum drove with his headlights off and hit somebody while MJ and Kobe hunted u down through a forest.... pretty accurate discription..... i'd add that they did it while letting u know they coming for u

[@Ro6ns]

Kobe never won a DPOY out of discussion

[@Ocselfed]

That shit cracked me up

[@nattyp7801]

20/21 seasons still averaging 25.7 pts 7.3 reb 8.3 ast 54 fg%……..I don’t get in any GOAT debates, but people always wants to dis LEBRON.

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

Funny how as soon as people align themselves with Bron they start 🧢n

[@omarlynn2992]

💯

[@mr1980ful]

Facts

[@anthonyw895]

Kobe studied Jordan's defense before he made it to the NBA, Payton added hand placement to it

[@SnoGo902]

So

[@kingscopio843]

Facts

[@Ocselfed]

Kobe was a Jordan clone

[@SnoGo902]

@@Ocselfed a wannabe clone 🤣

[@frankkastler]

Gil criticized JJ for not being accurate, then credits MJ’s defense to Phil Jackson. MJ won his Defensive Player of the Year with Doug Collins as his HC.

[@michaelroelant7134]

Facts

[@SheliaYates-u4i]

so if you had the coaches lebron had compared to a system that jordan had it's a differents,regardless kobe was on the bench for two years he did study nothing hoping eddie jones got hurt so he can play

[@celebneilz1023]

Nah fuck all dat , did homie in the beginning say “ABOUT THE GOAT DICC” 😂😂😂

[@hashtagselfie]

😂😂😂

[@whatdadogdoin8457]

100% said that

[@GhostMcGrady]

lmao ah wtf

[@AnitaHanjaaab]

Lmfaooo bro I just said the same shit. Lmaooo wtf?!

[@loloyal888]

😂😂😂😂

[@problembaby5855]

Jordan never had to pay ppl to put him in the goat conversations..

[@cjpe2265]

SA and skip: hell yeah.

[@yungesjosef]

The league did it for him

[@212keith]

Lol they labeled him the goat after 91 with only one ring…. The nba marketed the hell out of jordan they needed to continue the magic and larry viewership….. jordan brought those viewers in

[@mlackland7796]

​@@212keith, true, but I'm from that era AND Chicago when MJ came in. Jordan came in and SHOCKED the LEAGUE. No coverage like now, no Internet, the league had NO IDEA he'd avg 28 pts, dunking on everybody, he was DIFFERENT. EVRYONE SAW IT. No one moved like Jordan. ON THE COURT, EVERYONE could see the explosiveness, athleticism, hang time, grace, Competitiveness, the charisma, the cockiness, no one did it better. He's the TEMPLATE of every player now in the intangibles

[@dennisbobo6792]

Neither did Kobe

[@PsyFiChannel]

“Watered down” is when you create rules to help the offense in order to create more excitement around the game to garner more views. “Watered Down” is making the game less physical so your favorite players can play longer and be more marketable for the league.

[@PsyFiChannel]

“Watered Down” is when all 30 teams play with the same offensive scheme.

[@AkeemPierre]

That’s not watering it down. That’s just putting an emphasis on offense. Back then you could argue it was a more defensive emphasis given the rules. Not watered down, just different rules.

[@HoodedAlchemy]

This it's the same for the NFL people push the game is evolving when it really isn't they are making it more offensive friendly

[@desmonddavis3422]

You realize Jordans era they was still giving it to Bill Cartwright on the block passed his prime lol

[@BraMoore]

Like they did with Jordan?

[@shanghuikhoo3157]

JJ said he doesn't care but then he blackmailed MJ and praised Lebron. What an idiot.

[@CypherExodus]

Playing with everyone at your camps got me in tears 😂 Bron really had damn near players as kids from his camps on most his squads thru out his career. Crazy fact lmao

[@msummer6926]

Its way too much respect for Bron out there lol

[@felixalfaro3119]

Like who? Yall be yapping yet giving no names. Brons whole issue with Cleveland is no one wanting to go there lmfao worst from office of all time

[@bigcohiba298]

And Shaq is right Kobe should be in the conversation

[@CypherExodus]

@@bigcohiba298 everytime he should be. JJ Redick perception of basketball is good at times but he not on que with this one.

[@bigcohiba298]

@@CypherExodus I think he overrated tbvh. Basketball is basketball it's not nuclear physics, it's not brain surgery but a lot of times he tries to sound like basketball is more complex than it is and that already makes him an ineffective communicator or teacher of the game. Guys like him would be humbled pretty quickly if they got into coaching

[@lilrickization]

Ion even like Mccant but man that last analogy was really on point🤣. He got off with that one

[@1979cincere]

Great answer Brandon......

[@King-ul1nn]

Lmao. The classic reply.

[@Anonymous-gy4lp]

Anything that happened white you were a child or before you were born you shouldn’t have an opinion on then Lmao.

[@jolivas7]

McCants broke down the GOAT debate better than I’ve ever heard anyone do it. If youre constantly comparing your new girl to your old girl, it’s going to lead to headaches. NFL understands this and that’s why they dominate ratings.

[@Cakebattered]

Gil complaining 37% of the expansion players played 3 years or less. The average NBA player today plays 4 years or less. Plus the NBA today has tons of 2-way players who are just G-leaguers with NBA credentials. The "Watered Down" debate is silly.

[@melvynsngltn27]

Not really because Jordan fanboys claim how strong the NBA was in the 1990's and alot of us who remember the 1990's call BS

[@theeALister]

This is a really simple concept to understand. When you add that many new teams to a league in such a short span of time it’s bound to dilute the overall product as vastly superior teams are going to inflate their records by beating down the newcomers. Please feel free to take at look at the standings from back then, the evidence is quite clear. Neither the Hornets, Heat, Grizzlies, Wolves or Raptors eclipsed 40 wins in their first four seasons. The Magic was the only team to do it, going 41-41 during their fourth season after totaling just 70 wins over the span of their first 3. Lastly, how is this at all comparable to the average two-way G-League player who might play a total of 200 minutes in an entire season? There are no teams in the league today that are comprised of mostly G-League players.

[@Kenno996]

Russell can dominate paint not whole court

[@qualiswilliams7403]

​@@theeAListerfacts all it takes is a quick Google search

[@brianjackson9791]

15 man roster now vs 12, 4 years vs 3, so an extra year. And a bunch of g leaguers, you're literally proving it's more watered down now given more guys that are only staying 1 year longer.

[@peacemaker4829]

Bron fans always want to say that the rings are a team accomplishment, but then say that Bron made it to 8 straight finals like that isn't a team accomplishment 😂

[@masonbg6]

Because he carried to get to a lot of those like 07 and 18

[@Noluvcitykezo]

Because everybody who really watch basketball nd don’t get Dey opinion frm highlights nd instagram kno Lebron literally had to carry his franchise y do ppl like to ignore that fact🤦‍♂️

[@perennialviralbasketball24]

2 of 10 not a lot man..lol​@@masonbg6

[@perennialviralbasketball24]

​@Noluvcitykezo all the greats carried their franchise

[@jfearless3420]

Great point!!!!

[@JeftaFastForward]

“You playing with everybody who at your damn skills camp!” 😂😂 Idk why but this cracked me up lmaoo

[@jaysouthmusic8230]

It’s the truth tho

[@felixalfaro3119]

@@jaysouthmusic8230except it’s not lol most of them don’t want to go to bum ass Cleveland lol

[@MrDjamison]

@@felixalfaro3119when the last time lebron played for Cleveland?

[@marccraney1260]

But i don't want to misquote anyone. But i think that it was John Sally that made the point that when people compare kobe to Jordan it's the 90's the 2nd three peat Jordan that people compares him to. Because Jordan in the 80's when he first came into the league. There was no comparing Jordan to anybody. And even kobe said that without Jordan there would be no kobe because he learned so much from Jordan.

[@richardbuckley967]

Correction!!!! MJ was so good and had such a great impact on the league and the world that he provided an opportunity for such an expansion!!! The league hasn’t expanded on LeBron’s watch!!! MJ all day! JJ your perspective is off my guy…

[@isaacnitta4133]

Name all of the best shooting guards Jordan faced

[@rustybarrel516]

Agreed. He expanded on the appeal of and excitement for the game that started to take off when Magic and Bird came on the scene, taking it to another level. David Stern was savvy enough to recognize this and market it, not just in the US, but around the world. That interest led to more teams and a bigger talent pool concurrently - more international players, more players coming out of college early and straight out of high school. The game had also become steadily more athletic, which further expanded its appeal and attracted more talent to the game. A good example is the old question and answer, “where are all the talented tight ends we used to see coming to the NFL? They’re power forwards in the NBA.” It wasn’t talent dilution caused by expansion. It was talent infusion that enabled expansion.

[@rustybarrel516]

Agreed. He expanded on the appeal of and excitement for the game that started to take off when Magic and Bird came on the scene, taking it to another level. David Stern was savvy enough to recognize this and market it, not just in the US, but around the world. That interest led to more teams and a bigger talent pool concurrently - more international players, more players coming out of college early and straight out of high school. The game had also become steadily more athletic, which further expanded its appeal and attracted more talent to the game. A good example is the old question and answer, “where are all the talented tight ends we used to see coming to the NFL? They’re power forwards in the NBA.” It wasn’t talent dilution caused by expansion. It was talent infusion that enabled expansion.

[@iloveparadyse]

I love how MJ just give the goat debate any time of day. His work speaks for itself and the people speak for him. He also gave the ultimate respect for the players of the past…thats the difference.

[@grizzlymac-tight]

Exactly. Lebron not the best. Mj is basically the most entertaining to watch, he's more competitive. How is lebron greater when everyone rather watch MJ AND MJ won more? And MJ has better stats overall.... lebron just averaged 1 more rebound and 2 more assists... mj beats lebron in every other stat

[@suegspr]

@@grizzlymac-tight Yes having 2 more assists actually means you generate more points for your team to make up the difference in ppg so that argument is stupid.

[@suegspr]

@Silencedfixer well he’s the playmaker of the team I would expect it to be that way

[@suegspr]

@Silencedfixer +/- is a team stat bro. Jordan had the best team in the league and was always the favorite in his prime. It’s not his fault but you can’t hold it against bron either. If you’re gonna compare players and eras then you gotta take every little thing into consideration.

[@leechrec]

What's amazing is that every up and coming face of the NBA is compared to him until now. GOAT things.

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

Gil's such a hypocrite = if JJ wasn't being disrespectful, it would be Gil saying something similar

[@DjGaiden]

Crazy thing is…. He HAS lmaooooooooo

[@liltr3ay]

​@@DjGaiden 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Holyyghost]

@@DjGaiden i think he said it like a month ago or so 😂

[@carbon.the.christ5626]

Gil staying on code,cant let that white man diminish Jordan😅

[@thekingsplacegospeldjc4847]

😮🤫🤔

[@davidcomisso7228]

Talking with facts. You guys brought in receipts. Great talk 👍🏻👍🏻

[@YdotMessiah]

Period. Mike, Kobe, and A.i. killer instant alone motivated and inspired millions of kids to pick up a basketball and play. I've never been in a gym, and heard anyone yell LeBron while driving to the basket, passing, or flopping. Lol their greatness alone still inspire generation after generation. Some imprints left on the game just can't be matched

[@jetplanevalentine3791]

We're witnessing it now with Anthony Edwards. I think he's next up.

[@adeboandrew6044]

you cant replicate what lebron does with that ball!!!

[@ferdievicmudo3693]

MJ, Kobe and AI are my favorite player because the way they play makes you want to play basketball

[@JerryP-vg2bk]

You sound stupid

[@homechefbbq3246]

You're speaking the truth, bro. I want to be Mike and kobe. They inspired many filipinos to pick up the basketball and play. Even today, Jordan and Kobe are still inspired by many filipinos.

[@One.Zero.One101]

People forget to mention those expansion teams became playoff teams in a really short amount of time: Orlando Magic - Shaq and Penny (playoff team) Charlotte Hornets - Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Glenn Rice (playoff team) Miami Heat - Alonzo Mourning (traded from Charlotte), Tim Hardaway (playoff team) Minnesota Timberwolves - Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury (playoff team) Toronto Raptors - Damon Stoudamire, Vince Carter (playoff team) Compare those teams to the tanking teams of today, which of them is watering down the league?

[@cbreezy2091]

Kendall Gill was on that Charlotte team too.

[@aiyachristian]

What's funny is that all these Bron fans claim that 90s was full of "plumbers" but yet in todays NBA literally no one can dribble a basketball without double dribbling, carrying, or traveling

[@Nysdaddy]

@ai… That’s just a scary level of delusion… to try and slight the 90’s to by default prop up Lebron. It’s like they didn’t even watch his career. 03-04 - no playoffs 04-05 - no playoffs 05-06 Chauncey, Rip, ‘Sheed, 06-07 TDuncan, Ginobili, Finley, BB 07-08 KG, PPierce, Ray Allen 08-09 - 09-10 KG, PPierce, *Ray Allen 10-11 JKidd, Dirk 90’s players are the biggest reason why Lebron didn’t end his season with a win til almost a decade in (2012)… why he started 0-2 in the Finals… and also *why he did not start 1-4. Lebron didn’t get his first win in the Finals til ‘12 when he played OKC… and what kind of roster did OKC have, a no 90’s players roster.

[@Nysdaddy]

He didn’t start win-ing til those (and other) 90’s players (Shaq, Kobe) were all older and outta the way/done winning.

[@relltheman6884]

The plumbers quote was for the 50s and 60s 70s era not the 90s

[@Papa_Static]

Literally no one says the 90s, it's pre merger that JJ and people who make that point are talking about. And it's because they were literally plumbers, back then the players had to have other jobs, some of which was plumbing.

[@mordakie3805]

Huh?

[@jamesoncross19]

If the league was watered down, then how did Orlando become one of the best teams of 90s while they had Shaq? This watering down led to the only team that ever beat MJ's Bulls in the 1990s. The irony is that he's having this conversation with the best player from that watering down team. How does no one else see how ridiculous this statement really is especially when you factor in who he's talking to?

[@Saveahorse82]

The rules are so loose now. Remember A.I. use to get called for traveling sometimes when he introduced the modern cross over. Gather steps and euro steps was traveling back in Jordans day. Now you barely have to dribble the basketball lol. It is a totally different game. It was way harder to scroe back then. You had to pull up after one dribble. No step back, gather step to create separation.

[@cliffd8380]

Jordan and Pippen both got called for carrying in the 93 Eastern Conference Finals against the Knicks. I seen just in these playoffs players completely palm the basketball for their cross over. I remember when people were still debating in the 90s if a Euro step really just a travel if it starts outside the lane. Those old heads used to be very critical of stuff that are now considered part of these guys go to moves.

[@johnjovanovichwick4194]

Mccants point may have had so validity to it about “Mike just played who was in front of him” so why don’t the people give Bill Russell the same respect winning 11 chips in HIS era but jordan fans disrespect Bill Russell by saying his era was watered down.

[@gerbilbaby242]

Because he wasn't the best player on those championship teams, only thing I can think of

[@johnjovanovichwick4194]

@@gerbilbaby242 he indeed was the best player on the team, guarding the other teams best player example wilt chamberlain in most of those finals he beat him in, he was the anchor of their defense and Boston’s center piece for their success. See how y’all try to find any loop hole. He got more chips that jordan, same amount of mvps, more finals appearances? See how dat work but when bron fans use the same logic y’all bring the same exact shit up 🤷‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gerbilbaby242]

@johnjovanovichwick4194 I'm speaking of the lack of finals mvps Also one of his mvps he was only 2nd team all nba. I'm not arguing I'm just pointing out some things

[@basedkez]

@@gerbilbaby242Finals MVPS were started in 1969

[@eemfunnyasf]

@@gerbilbaby242He was easily the best player 😂 he averaged 15 points and TWENTY TWO REBOUNDS. 22 REBOUNDS. That’s more than anyone EVER.

[@MatthewShadowMorris2115]

5 rules that changed defense is what made modern NBA watered down. It wasn't watered down in the 90s. It was tougher because guys who may have sucked were hired to be hitmen. The NBA doesn't want that type of play, so in the late 2000s, they decided to add and change rules that took that type of play out of the game. It's so bad now that even the league is questioning if they went too far with the rules. Todays NBA is watered down.

[@aidanoconnor9776]

That's a solid argument for why the physicality of the league is watered down. But I don't see how the rules changing or refs calling the game differently would affect the average skill level of nba players. If a ref makes it easier to score, then it is now harder to defend. If a ref makes it easier to defend, it is now harder to score. Either way the average level of skill of the players would not change in either scenario.

[@bryantwilson5761]

They allow traveling and all kinds of dribble errors now too

[@duecelavish771]

It was clearly more watered down then because there were less skilled players in that era. It's really not that big of deal. A lot of players in past era's wouldn't be a water boy in today's league. They beat the shit out of MJ and other players in past era's. MJ going to the commissioner to express his issues with that type of play ushered in the beginning of more fouls being called up to what we have today. Players were forced to become more skilled basketball players because enforcer's were outlawed.

[@carontorliak2760]

So you are saying 1. There was less talent in the 90s because players were hired because they were physical...but not actually good at basketball 2. What rules specifically did they change to make it "watered down"? If anything, getting rid of the illegal defense helped make offense and defense more equal. 3. What is the "type of play" you are talking about? You do understand the 3pt shot was the main reason teams are not being as "physical" (which is not exactly true actually) than before right? Because...you can exploit it. I completely disagree that today's nba is "watered down". I know you would just name things like not calling travels or carries or too strict on flagrants, all of which can be true, but every player has the same precedent. The talent in the NBA has never been higher and the most parity I have seen in years. When 6 new teams joined throughout MJ's career, it DID water down the league. Those players on those teams were players who wouldn't make the current teams. The regular season would have been a bit easier for the current group of players. Now of course that doesn't change the playoffs which JJ mentioned. This would have an affect on regular season wins and stats though. This is why it is dumb to compare players from different eras.

[@duecelavish771]

@@carontorliak2760 seems like the issue is with the phrase "watered down". That era was easier just like the era before that one. Gilbert implies this fact a lot so I'm not sure why he's so but hurt about it.

[@andrejohnson5928]

This was a refreshingly honest convo.. nobody was dead set biased on anything it flowed great and keep it in reality without diminishing anybody. Really good guys

[@Sports-media180]

So why does every one say Jordan had a hall of fame coach. Jordan never had a hall of fame coach. Jordan made phill a hall of famer

[@loveconcquersall]

That part

[@rashanrevell6097]

Phil created the triangle offense to help Mike ima Jordan fan but Phil was a hell of a coach for the bulls

[@gba0915]

​@@rashanrevell6097yo, it was Tex Winters who initially created the Triangle Offense. and applied it with Phil to the Bulls.

[@jackieroach2124]

Phil hadn't won anything before MJ and MJ still was MJ!

[@pinoykayaker]

No matter how good you are but your coach is stupid and the system flawed, you can only get too far. If MJ was drafted by charlotte he probably will get 2 championships his whole career at best.

[@rhondacommander5233]

They said the same thing back then. People just stop talking about it.❤

[@TheKidwonda]

Yeah and it wasn’t just basketball. I watched some old MLB video from the early 90s and at the time they had just added the Colorado Rockies and the Miami(Florida) Marlins and the people in the video said verbatim that it would at least in the short term water down the league because guys who probably weren’t good enough to be an everyday player became one, guys who had no business being in a teams rotation all of sudden were pitching 20 plus games and guys who weren’t ready to be called up from AA and AAA got called up. These guys were MLB players but there was a reason they were made available

[@jacobcrabb9578]

"Lebron was jus speeding with his headlights off and he hit an innocent bystander and he kept going" 😂 ngl that shit got me.

[@JamesReed-s4z]

Aye! Real talk tho! He made plenty of sense and was also accurate AF!!

[@JBreezy-uz5ep]

The realest shit I heard 💯🔥

[@Dr.Tony.Cii.]

I’m going to be honest…I’m with McCants 100% on this one with EVERYTHING he said. 🎯‼️🔥

[@Daniel-rz4es]

Dude had the dumbest argument ever.

[@BMORETODAY]

Soooo this is how JJ Redick got that podcast with Lebron! JJ SMOKING ROCKS 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@stephenasmith6387]

While you’re riding MJ every night like an addict

[@justchillin2194]

Nah I just think he unbiased

[@Wise-o.g.]

​@@justchillin2194oh yeah he's unbiased. Podcast with perceived Goat?, possible Lakers coaching. Candidate. Yeah he's unbiased. Lol.

[@Wise-o.g.]

JJ is a professional jock strap.

[@theoriginaltroll388]

Lol if he said MJ better den Bron the show would get canceled 😂

[@duecepoppin6413]

Phil didn’t create The Triangle. Tex Winters created the Triangle

[@its_zbo]

Phil made it famous lol

[@jootpepet]

That "Lebron ran over some innocent bystanders and kept going" analogy was gold 🤣

[@suegspr]

nah it was dumb. Didn’t make any sense, people who are Jordan/Kobe c*cksuckers are usually the human beings with the lowest iq

[@travismathious7989]

And the lakers wanna make this Dude. their coach🤔😤🤦🏾‍♂️

[@iKnowBall2k]

No one talks about in both the 2009 and 2010 seasons, the Cavs were the #1 seed in the entire league both years. You don't reach the #1 seed with bad teammates/coaches. It was supposed to be Kobe vs. Lebron in back to back finals both without a Top 75 teammate. (2010 Cavs had Shaq but he was on his way out) Kobe made it to the Finals fighting the toughest Western Conference we have seen in decades, meanwhile Lebron fell short to Orlando and Boston as the #1 seed back to back years. Wade openly admitted after Kobe won his 5th, they called each other and made their decision to stop Kobe from getting more rings. A year after the Big 3 was formed, the league vetoes the trade to have Prime CP3 traded to LA. The league had to protect their "Golden Child."

[@davidjohnsonGT]

They got there because of LeBron james

[@codebreaker00x]

Golden Child how? An that magic team was stacked an shooters at damn near ever position.i like all 3 but damn ppl be so quick to throw shots with no facts.

[@iKnowBall2k]

@@codebreaker00x You are probably too young to remember the magazine era where Lebron was literally propagated as the NBA's "Golden Child"

[@iKnowBall2k]

@@davidjohnsonGT With your logic, if they got there because of LBJ, they failed because of LBJ. As the leader/best player, you can't take the good without the bad.

[@charlesferrer6174]

@@codebreaker00x Lebron wasn’t the golden child? The chosen one? They were hyping him up for years, even making film from Lenny Cooke embarrassing him in his rookie summer league. It’s not far fetched to say the NBA wanted to protect their main guy’s legacy especially since they dropped Kobe after his scandal.

[@Magicsmilesphotobooth]

The league wasn't watered down. They had an expansion draft. It was a draft of players already in the league.

[@NostalgikOne]

JJ clearly doesn’t comprehend how an expansion draft works

[@rpbns]

The league was exactly watered down because of that. JJ is right that they added new players to the league but the number is 72 not 90. Expansion draft means they took players from existing teams so now other teams had to replace players with people who weren't currently playing in the NBA. Expansion draft didn't change the fact 72 new roster spots were created it just means they were spread across various teams. So the new teams stunk for a few years (in the case of the Grizzlies, 9 years) and the new teams had a moratorium on how high they could pick in the lottery so the new teams were guaranteed to be bad for a few years. Now other teams lost depth because of the expansion draft so yes, the league was watered down.

[@itsmeflacko1618]

​@@rpbnsthey didn't lose depth if those guys were still in the league they were getting rid of guys who weren't playing anyway. It's not like teams went from 15 men to 9 lol they would still have like 12/13 players and they would just pick up new bench warmers that didn't play 🤷. You can say it was weaker because those players were now starters and didn't deserve to be but watered down is just not factual. Everyone drafted was already an NBA player

[@rpbns]

​@@itsmeflacko1618 This is a ridiculous take. If you create 72 new nba jobs, which is what happens when you add 6 teams, those 72 players are made up of dudes who weren't in the NBA. Doesn't matter if you scatter those new 72 players around across all the teams. If you lost the 8th best player on your team, everyone else moves up and the last guy is replaced by someone who wasn't even in the league. Add to that you now have teams created to fail for years. That waters down the league.

[@itsmeflacko1618]

@@rpbns that's where you and JJ are wrong. They didn't gain 72 new players, all of the players were already in the league or about to be drafted to the league or free agents. Think of the Charlotte bobcats, their first roster was a bunch of NBA guys that teams either had on expiring contracts or just didn't want like Gerald Wallace and Jason kapono. Then they drafted emeka the next year, there's nobody stepping in from off the street to play. Think about it like this, if they made an expansion team today it would have players like thanasis and Jeff Green and boban, etc. guys who are in the NBA but nobody really wants or cares for

[@MrGeeMoney1983]

This NBA is the most watered down it’s ever been! The lack of Defense is glaring, LeBron travels every time he touches the ball but it’s never called! It’s hysterical!

[@SurviveDaMotion]

I fw this pod so much 👌 GET GIL ON FIRST TAKE

[@jyoung92082]

Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Carter, McGrady all played in the 90s when Mike was around. 90s was real. J. J. need to stop it.

[@SnoGo902]

They played at the end of Jordan career

[@seren451]

Shaq's first year was 92-93 too , jj trying to hard to sound smart

[@guevarasamson1165]

LMAO…what?! Nash - 96 Dirk - 98 Kobe - 96 Carter - 98 McGrady - 97 Jordan truly retired 98….. NONE of those guys mattered yet! Kobe didn’t even start his rookie season.. and averaged 7.6 point, 1.9 boards and 1.3 assists…. Nash averaged 3.3 points 2.1 assist, 1 board….. WHAT are you talking about! Lmao

[@jyoung92082]

​@@guevarasamson1165is my point exactly there was nothing watered down about the 90s. Jamal Murray's were everywhere coming off the bench that weren't Allstars or 1st team guys but could still kill. I've watched ball since the 80s. I think like Gil said JJ didn't do his research. Duncan Robinson Hakeem Rice there were monsters everywhere on every team. I just got done arguing in the barber shop with cats last year saying Jordan Poole world have averaged 30 in the 90s. These style narratives are crazy in my opinion

[@dylandupuis4347]

You're dumb

[@MrKingShad]

Another Win For Rashad Bro Be Giving Gill That Work When It Comes To That Goat Debate Talk It’s Just People Dont Like Rashad So They Dont Hear Him Out

[@marquezelliott14]

That’s cause he right they only wanna debate team accomplishments and not skill and both sides of the ball💯 He the only one that makes sense the others just be talking

[@Takeoff10_]

I wanna wear Michael Jordan’s, I wanna be in the space jam movie. 😂😭😂😭😂

[@truthistruth4186]

Bro the way he said it to 😂😂😂😂

[@Cliff11]

Lmaoo 😂😂😂

[@P-AngelI]

LeBron is a good player, just lack the instinct to " Demand the 🏀 in the last quarter ( when his team is down) and Win the game off individual effort / refusal to Lose " that's why LeBron can't be considered better than Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant 🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@JohnTrek1701]

What about when Phil lost? How the hell are you attaching the coach to the players achievements??? Was it Phil who stole the ball from Malone and made the game winning shot? Was it Spolestra who melted down in 2011 vs the mavs? Don’t bring the coaches into this equation.

[@USSOBRIEN]

Players drafted during this so-called watered down era: Shaquille O'Neal, Penny, Tim Hardaway, Larry Johnson, Glen Rice, BJ Armstrong, Shawn Kemp, Nick Anderson, Vlade Divac, Mitch Richmond, Rod Strickland, Gary Payton, Kendall Gill, Dikembe Mutombo, Steve Smith, Dale Davis, Greg Anthony, Stacy Augmon, Robert Horry, Alonzo Mourning, Chris Webber, Jamal Mashburn, Sam Cassell, Allan Houston, Grant Hill, Jason Kid, Glenn Robinson, Jalen Rose, Eddie Jones, Juwan Howard, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Michael Finley, Jerry Stackhouse. And let's not even forget the star veterans on the team.

[@Rambo20244]

lol I guarantee you that you don't get a respond to this because it's facts and ppl like to always argue against facts with theories

[@USSOBRIEN]

@@Rambo20244 There's no retort. And if it is, it'll be a bonehead statement. I don't even know why I bother, man.

[@One.Zero.One101]

Yeah people forget to mention those expansion teams became playoff teams in a really short amount of time: Orlando Magic - Shaq and Penny (playoff team) Charlotte Hornets - Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Glenn Rice (playoff team) Miami Heat - Alonzo Mourning (traded from Charlotte), Tim Hardaway (playoff team) Minnesota Timberwolves - Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury (playoff team) Toronto Raptors - Damon Stoudamire, Vince Carter (playoff team) Compare those teams to the tanking teams of today, which of them is watering down the league?

[@Rambo20244]

@@One.Zero.One101 yep ppl also forget that one of those expansion teams were the only team to knock the bulls out of the playoffs in the 90s... but the jordan haters always tell half the truth

[@tgee1007]

This conversation got silly towards the end. Phil Jackson was never considered a defensive coach otherwise Shaq should have been a better defender. Jordan stayed with his team and eventually won. The gap between MJ and 2nd best in his era was significant. Kobe played with peak Shaq and Gasol. Lebron left Cleveland and made his title run easier playing with top 75 players and all stars.

[@ianyoung8392]

What I think is that JJ was getting ready to be coach of the Lakers...

[@RonnySwank]

Adding 6 whole teams definitely has an effect on the league. How is anyone even gonna debate that? 6 teams is a lotttt

[@hulkdaddy71]

How, when the players were picked from the other teams, they didn't come in off the street. Also, they were 12 man rosters back then. It's 15 now, which makes the league even more " watered down".

[@kobebayuk3692]

Because Jordan fans are emotional

[@christianluu2994]

@@hulkdaddy71 lol you think anyone good is playing minutes in the playoffs thats not top 8 on the roster? Buddy Rick Mahorn a bench Center was the best player picked in one of those expansion drafts lol. Solid player, but thats gonna be one the guys to build around? You wanna surround a bunch of barely/non rotation players for the most part and pair them with college players coming out the draft? Its obviously watered down a bit

[@dre27321]

@@kobebayuk3692 or you can actually look at the context like what the other reply provided

[@RonnySwank]

@@hulkdaddy71regardless that’s 6 teams having to start from scratch with all players assembled through a draft. Also 12 men rosters and 15 men rosters aren’t that much different lol considering teams usually have 9-10 guys in the rotation either way

[@d-p_]

I can’t lie Rashad & Gil are the funniest duo in comedy right now. That convo at the end was pure 24-karat gold. 😂

[@coopercoop9371]

But Rashad be speaking facts

[@coopercoop9371]

I think gil should be an coach

[@yayo2211]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@HiveMind629]

I think this was Mccants best segment “you playing against everybody that was in your camps” that got me 😂

[@crandallexpo0648]

I'm weak 😂 😂😂😂😂😂 Rashad said Bron speeding with his headlights of hits innocent bystander like oops and kept going 😂😂😂😂

[@704chevygang]

It was teams in the NBA this season that won 14,15,21,21,22, and 25 games all season. It don’t get no more watered down than that in a easier era

[@Traylormade_Chief]

That's not watered down. Those r bad teams not new teams.

[@704chevygang]

What’s the difference if they both trash?30% winning percentage at best

[@alexsmith3598]

1989-90 Heat 18 Magic 18 Nets 17 Kings 23 Twolves 22 Hornets 19 It only ever happened today, right? There were never expansion teams added to the league that watered it down, as you just said, by win totals? So you don't know history just to old hear with your dumbass "you kids don't know ball." Why don't you go outside and keep telling kids to get off your lawn?

[@Traylormade_Chief]

@@704chevygang so all NBA history is watered down. U see how ridiculous that is? Those teams already exist. They aren't brand new teams. Wtf r u talkin bout

[@704chevygang]

@@Traylormade_Chief bruh wtf are you talking about. What don’t you get about all the players on the new teams wasn’t brand new into the NBA? So if they’re already in the NBA what’s the difference between a NEW team and a horrible team?

[@saintkartier5211]

Ain’t Gil the same person that said the 80-90s wasn’t shit even tho I disagree

[@yvans.]

Well he didn’t denied this claim. He talking relative to their era on this topic.

[@StuntmanBeatz313]

crazy how expansion teams watered the league down but tanking, failed high schoolers, 1-and-dones & crapping out on thousands of players from overseas didn’t..

[@ohdaUtube]

I don't think anyone understood McCants' actual point... what he seems to be saying is, because they didn't play in the same system, we can't compare them. It's not an apples to apples comparison. Because of that, any discussion around who's better will always be flawed. I believe that was his point.

[@Xtremeproducts]

Gil is confusing himself when he’s talking about comparison. 😂 🤣

[@kylewatson4900]

From 1988 until 1998 Jordan was recognized as the unquestioned best player in the league...Nobody else had a run like that....

[@jimbo26582]

How can you be the best player in the NBA when you’re playing minor league baseball?

[@stevencollins920]

@@jimbo26582aint that crazy? Man was playing baseball and was still considered the best

[@badbrukbrian2401]

​@@jimbo26582you are desperate

[@kylewatson4900]

@jimbo26582 You show it by winning 3 and coming back and winning 3 more....All while being the scoring Champion, 1st team nba and 1st team all defense....And you win Finals MVP every single time

[@melvynsngltn27]

No he wasn't

[@AyoStatic]

Okay so what about Bill Russell & Wilt’s era? Ppl consistently say “ol there were only 8 teams” to discredit Bill’s 11 chips

[@mattblock6616]

There's a range where the number of teams make a difference. 8 teams is too little to make that kind of impact.

[@hiitsgabe___]

@@mattblock6616 id respectfully argue for Bill Russel by saying the best players are less spread so teams are better/more competitive... but that's just me.... which I think is the point JJ was making and it was more about the reg season cos the better teams always make playoffs

[@SouthJerzVillains]

It’s literally just a fact there was only 8 teams and the Celtics had 6 hall of famers lol

[@chrisc6497]

and the competition was trash compared to just 20 years later. its more than just the number of teams

[@DonaldMcLemore-n6d]

What about James Naismith? At one point he was the GOAT.

[@mesohorney1408]

I love when gill go in💪🏿

[@timhall5382]

The bulls didn't play "small ball", they always had a 7 footer on the court. Gil not only can't do math he also doesn't know recent nba history.

[@ajhaynes8204]

Every one else starting is no lower than 6'7. But their death line up was harper, jordan,pip, kukoc, Rodman.

[@DynoGreen313]

he's a complete clown for the most part maccants and kenyon martin are the ones i tune in for

[@cesarbarbosa8875]

Mj was 6-6 ​@@ajhaynes8204

[@samhui9433]

They def played small ball lineups at times. Harp, MJ, pip, Rodman, kukoc. It was their defensive versatility and switch ability that was modern, not necessarily modern small ball offense.

[@antmyrick2063]

​@@samhui9433 alot of teams played small ball. Zo hornets, nets with Littles, Kemp and Seattle,Suns KJ.

[@LeviAndFriends111]

Gil is 100% right. Break down each category and give it a SABCDF category rating. Coaching. Rings. Accolades. Stats. Help on the court. Even as far as how much the teammates like him.

[@jonq8714]

I grew up in the 90's, I remember what the game was going into the decade and what it was going out of the decade... there is no debate for me... I know who I'm rolling with.

[@jlui21]

-- i started watching in '99...My favorites are Bird and Hakeem. MJ is the GOAT. Lebron is an incredible player whose the love child of Magic and Malone, lol. Magic is a great winner. Malone? Great regular season guy...

[@omarlynn2992]

💯

[@jamesculpepper]

The Goat debate is getting ridiculous, and boring.

[@wc4201]

Mike dominated his competition on an individual basis and as the leader of his team. Kobe dominated on an individual level and had some team success that was equaled by the Spurs. LeBron skipped the grind and joined the other best players in the league and still has a 4-6 record in the finals. Levels to greatness. In a world full of Bron's, be a Mike.

[@alexdew5545]

Bron has been dominating for 21 years fam! What are you talking about?

[@skywalker5257]

Jordan would have 80 on JJ Riddick 😂. The fear alone of playing teams like Bulls, Supersonics, knicks, Pistons, Lakers, Pacers, Suns, Rockets, Celtics, Jazz, the heat Etc was terrifying. The late 80s, 90s, and early 00s were shark-infested. It's more water down than ever nowadays.

[@cljackson512]

Compared to today's NBA, the league only had 4 legit teams from the late 80's to the early 2000s. You had the Bad Boys, the Celtics, Lakers, and the Bulls. Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons in the late 80s, Bulls in the 90s and then the Lakers and Pistons again in the early 2000s. Everyone else's rosters were meh at best and that includes the '94 Rockets. In '95 they were substantially better with the addition of Clyde. The Magic were young, and the Pacers and Knicks were one star teams with okay at best supporting staffs. And all of us who were alive back then knew how boo-boo the West was back in the Bulls era.

[@penkima4923]

@@cljackson512 Not sure what you mean by 4 legit teams. There were like 14 legit contenders.

[@carontorliak2760]

All these imaginary words to fill the nostalgia in your head when you have no actual proof of anything you said. Who tf fears playing a basketball team when you make millions from doing it. Stfu ya old heads.

[@ryanr20091]

@@cljackson512 Don't conflate the 80s with the 90s you Jordan jockers love doing that and will even include 2000s players like Kobe to boost up Jordans competition . The 90s was far different from the 80s which had more talented legendary teams like Pistons 76ers Celtics Lakers it's no comparison There is nothing legendary about the Sonics lol. The 80s lakers would destroy a team like that with Magic Kareem worthy Michael cooper. Proof that the 80s were better is Jordan gets swept by the 80s Celtics and Utah could never win the 80s against the Lakers fast forward to the 90s, where the jazz finally makes the finals in 97 98 lol . The bulls finally started winning championships after getting smacked in the 80s for almost a decade. Just so you know the 80s jazz were actually better talent wise than the 90s jazz

[@simonnwankwor2009]

You know your facts. MJ don't wanna hear that part of his legacy.

[@ghostblack305]

Jordan made Phil great, Lebron 21 Years WITH ONLY 4 RINGS, With stacked teams, every 4 years, always had and advantage

[@darrylmitchell4995]

What the hell you mean ONLY 4 rings? As if that’s just easy to win 4 championships. Y’all say the dumbest shit

[@Traylormade_Chief]

But u didn't mention any of Bron's coaches. See what u did there? Who is Tye Lue if not for Bron. Some ppl wouldn't even have known he played basketball b4 if it wasn't for LeBron.

[@michaeledwards1644]

@@darrylmitchell4995 with help from the refs, the league and crying anything is possible.. Lebron the most overrated player in history even though he is a very good player he was artificially boosted.

[@darrylmitchell4995]

@@michaeledwards1644 you guys say the most retarded shit.

[@darrylmitchell4995]

@@michaeledwards1644 Jordan had the refs in his pocket so shut the fuck up. Every superstar is gonna get favorable calls from the refs

[@NOELZ45]

Gill is a basketball Wikipedia 😊

[@buyandsellwithmel514]

Great convo

[@InverselyComplicated-ve3ls]

During LeBron's time the roster increased from 12 players to 15 players, they added an additional 90 players over an off-season, you could make the argument that LeBron's longevity is due to the league being watered down.

[@ed3712]

Are you serious 😂😂

[@InverselyComplicated-ve3ls]

@@ed3712 I'm using J.J. Reddick logic.

[@IllMatic97]

​@@InverselyComplicated-ve3ls Nothing about your comment is logical bruh, be quiet

[@InverselyComplicated-ve3ls]

@@IllMatic97 I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

[@Christopher-nv9xy]

They added 3 players to the BENCH, not taking bench players and making them starters. Use your brain bro 😂

[@darrellhenry9152]

Didn’t JJ say the Jerry West, Bill Russell era didn’t count because there weren’t enough teams? They always shift the goal post for Bron.

[@ncs9667]

Bill's response to that criticism (it is an old criticism, not the first time it has been made) is that because there were less teams they were more stacked because only the best players could make the cut. Which ironically supports JJ's claim that expansion teams make the league weaker because the talent becomes more diluted.

[@2bannounced817]

JJ keeps getting stupider

[@Riqthegod21]

McCants can’t say coaching isn’t an advantage, cause MJ & Kobe were still killers when they didn’t have Phil, & it didn’t translate to titles.

[@DeathWing572]

Coaching is more important than people think

[@jim75yogi]

Play your own bro Kobe had Phil first whole championship career

[@christophercudiamat5695]

jordan made phil jackson

[@cipher.u.justice]

this is the one time I agree with McCants because I see where's he's coming from but it isn't clearly stated: he's not saying he's pointing out an advantage/disadvantage, he's saying that it's easier to compare MJ/Kobe because their situations can be NORMALIZED by offense, when you throw LeBron in there it's HARD to even make the same type of comparisons at all, because the parameters are that much different. The standards in which we hold them to cannot be the same because their situations were that much different.

[@hoodyplz]

McCants coaching doesn't matter also McCants my coaches were haters is why I was a bust

[@MindfulAttraction2.0]

It's sad when fans are so delusion of that. They think their favorite player is automatically the best player. I love Larry Bird, he is my favorite player of all time and I think his game is sublime. But I am not stupid enough nor delusional enough to say that he's better than Michael Jordan. That's just being a goddamn fanatic and you got to wake up. Some things are legit facts and kobe should not be in the top two debate

[@Therightoner]

I mean people who actually played the game say Kobe is up there so I’ll take their opinion oer yours any day 😂

[@deereed3303]

@@Therightonerplayers ain’t right about everything they say either

[@luisdanielvega99]

No, what you need to understand is that this is an entirely subjective argument. There is no establish criteria to determine who the mvp in the league is, let alone who the goat is. Your criteria of who the best is, is not the same the next person is going to have. What ppl needs to understand is this concept and to stop getting triggered with a person who thinks x player is the goat.

[@t_t8661]

@@luisdanielvega99then there’s the eye test. It’s also a fact after 20 years after MJ has played, he still got 73% of votes from CURRENT NBA players. Lebron had 10%. If you play the game of basketball, you’d know who’s more skillful. Can’t deny Lebron’s longevity though but still I take peak over longevity anyday.

[@luisdanielvega99]

@@t_t8661 thats even more subjective bro...

[@h.a.v.i.c3209]

The game in the 80’s, 90’s early 2000’s also was different. Game of back to the basket power forwards and centers! More physical Knicks, Pistons, Pacers, Bucks, etc

[@comics-on]

What an analogy !!!!!! 1000% correct.

[@rusone2516]

The NBA literally watered down the game after MJ retired to increase scoring and NBA viewership. It's wild that MFs can just say some ish and people act like it's true. This is not even a debate. NBA refs literally call NO moving violations and they had to start fining NBA players because of excessive flopping and load management... How is this even a conversation?

[@dukecap44]

And they did they because can’t nobody score like Jordan

[@carontorliak2760]

Ummm...are you high? the early to late 00s had the lowest team scoring averages since the 50s, all during MJ's last stint with Washington and after his retirement. What did they "literally" do to water down the game? Or are you in nostalgic delusion? Its not a debate because it is literally truth that adding expansion teams will water down the league for a few years. Also, you don't have to disingenuously claim they LITERALLY call no moving violations because I can just show you one and say you are wrong. Are the travelling rules more relaxed now? Yes. IMO it makes for more entertaining basketball. And I can tell by yall's basketball knowledge that most of yall are casuals so don't give me that "I am a basketball purist and I like technique more than athleticism".

[@rusone2516]

@@carontorliak2760 the early to late 00s was not MJ's era. Why you bringing up a 40yo MJ? And yes they did water it down on purpose. They LITERALLY changed the way they officiated the game to artificially increase scoring. During the early to late 00s. Scoring being low only bothers casual fans who need high scoring to be entertained. Your stance shows me you are a true casual. You'd rather someone take 5 steps(no call)and do a crazy dunk. As opposed to 2 step layup and correct officiating. You're LITERALLY a Casual.

[@FitblkmanMr]

Great Observation

[@carontorliak2760]

@@rusone2516 so you are high. You literally said nba increased scoring after MJ retired and I showed you that scoring didnt increase for years since Jordan retired. So you are talking out of your ass. You have shown no proof of whatever gobledygook brain fart that is your arguments and instead just getting mad over nothing. Officiating has changed, so has the NBA and playstyles overall. Im sorry but it isn't some kind of flex to like low scoring games with robotic mid range after mid range. Players today have as good if not better footwork than years past. BTW you can still watch 60s and 70s games if you like that sort of shit. But the game has evolved now and will continue to evolve.

[@themovemakers247]

You could say today is watered down because of the young players that get drafted and never pan out.

[@Realcoolio]

btw McCants just yapping. Literally a clip on ESPN about JJ arguing the GOAT debate with Stephen A Smith. JJ has already said his opinion on it

[@uncleb7821]

LeBalco uses steroids.

[@kevinhorton9936]

Incorrect when you expand you add players by creating additional roster space. So bottom players became rotation players so instead of having teams like the Lakers and 76ers that had 10 deep they were only 7 deep , but for lesser teams they suddenly only had two or three good players

[@aheronamedtendo]

0:04 …….soooooo we gonna let that slip up pass?😂

[@hardbodytraining100]

I caught that

[@BeatsNTreatsllc]

Broooo I laughed soooo hard!!!!!!

[@RoyallKing629]

PAUSEEEEE

[@willjamesjr]

JJ's "watered down" comment is backwards af. More top talent was dispersed throughout more teams in the 90s & 00s. Which means more competition. Lebron changed the league to where for years, most of the top players were on a handful of teams...and Lebron STILL doesn't have as many rings as Kobe or Mike.

[@cwavvvy3450]

there was still so much talent spread around in the league with alot of it being on the same team that’s how talented they are today just look at the talent today and how many west contenders there are with lakers having 2 stars clippers having 3-4 denver having 2 dallas having 2 suns having 3 imagine if they all split up every star could have they own team not even enough stars in the 90s to do that

[@carontorliak2760]

If you think it's backwards, then you aren't thinking hard. It doesn't spread top talent because the players are being spread are bench players, not the starting 5s of existing teams. Then you make the bench players the starting players and then add more players who wouldn't have made it to the existing teams anyways. That is the literal definition of watering down the competition.

[@ForbiddenTechniqueTV]

lol Dennis Rodman said it himself it’s not just JJ Redick who said it smh

[@dawg2067]

And Magic lol 😂

[@ForbiddenTechniqueTV]

@@dawg2067 lol shit and Larry bird but I’m noting that MJ’s actual teammate said the league is so watered down they can have a 70 game win record “without trying” lol like come on.

[@matty12639]

Okay, Dennis Rodman also said he himself can guard lebron, and that Jordan is his goat.

[@mattc5647]

​@@matty12639everyone believed him when he said it though. So they should take his word on this too.

[@Disxreet]

@@matty12639Bron got dog walked by JJ Barea

[@Itsxmusic]

That whole car and hunting analogy was one of the worst I’ve ever heard.

[@bvincesf]

How could the game be watered down now when the game is global and the best players in the WORLD are playing rather than just the US. McCants is always making points that don't have legs.

[@HARRY__Pecker]

You can't be this dumb.. That is LITERALLY the point JJ was making bout the NBA adding more teams and players. I can't believe you typed that, and thought you said something lmao wow.

[@hulkdaddy71]

Because the same reason they claim it was watered down then, didn't change now. Also, the rule changes made it even more watered down.

[@hulkdaddy71]

Because the same account of teams that expanded the league, they're still around, today. And the rule changes made it even more watered down. You have literal kids playing, and can't really play. 🤷‍♂️

[@KTernida]

@@hulkdaddy71 I dont get how kids cant play now compared to older where they can play at an early stage? Small kids at a younger age are being trained to be in the NBA now a days, it wasnt the same in Jordan days because most players who arent allstars or considered a great player wasnt earning big money. Unlike todays era. I dont get the logic in that arugment.

[@KTernida]

Its funny really for people who thinks there was more talent back then that today.

[@iKnowBall2k]

You can tell JJ spends his time scrolling on twitter looking at certain fan accounts a bit too much... Mind you if JJ said otherwise his podcasting career would fall apart.

[@334BamaDave]

Gil made a great point about the coaching experience each one of them had

[@lastoneleft1000]

Let this role player even speak on the goat😂😂😂😂

[@sbynum3054]

Are you qualified to give an opinion?