What Would It Take To Believe?

What would convince an atheist there is a god?
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[@jon_r_gilbert]

"Worship me or burn in hell" is not a choice. It's an ultimatum.

[@privatizitat815]

It's a threat.

[@queuecee]

It's more of a passive-aggressive veiled threat. "Yeah, you are free to not worship me, I'm not forcing you. It's just It's a shame that you are making me torture you for an eternity. I wish I could do something about it, but free will. What can you do?🤷‍♂️ Amirite?"

[@dwightfitch3120]

Hobson’s choice

[@sandracampbell9822]

@@jon_r_gilbert it is an ultimatum free m the bloodiest cruelest of all mythological beings. If such a monster existed it would not be worthy of praise or worship. Yahweh is only worthy of contempt but thankfully it do any exist. H sis who was god came to earth to be killed so he could save us free m himself. Then he had a bad week nd and forgot be god again. Big whoopee!

[@JohnShultz-rd1ew]

If there was no eternal afterlife in heaven offered,the x-tian doctrine would fall flat as a steamrolled pancake, in my opinion its the promise of escape from a natural death that primes the Desperation of x-tians to cling tegnaciously to utterly ridiculous storylines that protect their ego's from their subconsciously held fear of death...

[@nooralimran4643]

As a Muslim (under deconstruction) I am very proud of the last notes Forrest made where he clarified that Muslim-phobia is unacceptable and Islam is as worthy of criticism as Christianity. Thank you dear sir.

[@summerlovinxx]

exactly. we have the KKK in America, and as far as I understand most of them are solid Christians. it would not be fair to blame all Christians for their violence, but what would be fair is acknowledging the skewed morality of Christianity and Christian extremism. I wish you well in your deconstruction!

[@aetherkid]

​@@summerlovinxx just as with violent Muslims, violent Christians are possibly more true to their holy texts and religious history than the nonviolent ones

[@KittyPurrBoy]

I would be really curious to hear more about your deconstruction process, if I had a show of my own I would have interviewed you. Good luck ❤

[@tokeivo]

@@KittyPurrBoy I don't know if you're aware, but if you want to see atheistic/muslim content, I can recommend Apostate Aladdin's channel.

[@AXKfUN9m]

Theists won't ever find god, because they believe they already did.

[@roqsteady5290]

It is like looking for a needle in a hay stack, but you chose a haystack that doesn’t have a needle in it!?

[@queuecee]

​@@roqsteady5290Psst. Don't tell anyone, but none of the haystacks have a needle. Someone made up there being a needle.

[@khartog01]

​@@queueceewell said

[@d_camara]

​@@roqsteady5290 it's like looking for a Boeing in a haystack, except your parents taught that "look for" is done via closing your eyes and imagining it, and now you exclaim you already found the Boeing, and it was so easy that everyone that doesn't see a Boeing in the haystack is stupid or actually hates the Boeing and only acts like they don't see it. And the people that see helicopters in the haystack? Or the people that see a flock of horses?! Or the people that see aliens? They're deceived by the devil idk i lost the will to do any more analogy

[@dragonhealer7588]

🏆 You Sir, have won the Internet!

[@amtlpaul]

Still waiting for that valid/sound argument for a God existing. No fallacies, no accusations, no threats.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

You and me both Bruv'!! The presuppositionalist sophists are the worse👎

[@stonehengemaca]

I wouldn't hold your breath 🤦‍♂

[@theredeemeriam]

There is a pile of rocks randomly lying on the ground. What is it going to take to turn that pile of rocks lying on the ground into a true and straight wall?

[@emoryogglethorp8180]

​@@theredeemeriamReally? The watchmaker argument? LOL

[@RanEncounter]

Well valid argument is easy, but a valid and sound one is as far as I know impossible.

[@JJ-qo7th]

It's so obvious the caller wasn't listening except for his turn to speak. He tried to drop an amazing surprise on Forrest when Forrest had just finished uttering the substance of that surprise himself.

[@thehigherevolutionary]

I don't think he listened for a single second!

[@meltorme-ntor2933]

I would say, if a god exists, and specifically the god YOU want me to believe in, then ask him. If he is all knowing and all powerful, he should know what evidence would convince me.

[@meltorme-ntor2933]

Oh, nevermind, Forest just said the very same thing! That should teach me to watch the ENTIRE video before AI start commenting! 😆

[@quentind1924]

@@meltorme-ntor2933 Don't worry, most of these christian trolls don't watch the videos

[@erinimagines]

Eternal punishment for not believing or loving him makes NO sense!

[@rahsaanthomas7030]

Sounds like bullying to me..

[@stonehengemaca]

So did all the ancient Egyptians go to hell? The ancient Greeks? etc etc How did Adam and Eve follow Christianity before it was invented?? So many questions.. 🤷‍♂

[@Devdevbruh]

Hell is definitely an invention to control the masses. Just like how our parents tried to convince us if we were bad we would get coal for Christmas.

[@stonehengemaca]

@@Devdevbruh Imagine people holding placards and getting this argumentative and this passionate about trying to convince everyone to believe in Santa and warn us all about getting coal for Christmas..

[@DariusRoland]

My minimum requirements for becoming convinced that a god exists: 1. Evidence MUST be verifiable, meaning that it should be either reproducable or otherwise can be investigated and verified by another party. 2. Evidence must be directly connectable to the deity in question. 3. Evidence must be compelling.

[@quentind1924]

You forgot 4. Evidence couldn't have been falsified by an human

[@DariusRoland]

@@quentind1924 Thus, verifiable. Another party investigating it is the only method I have to know whether the evidence was a hoax or not.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

B-but, but...look at the trees, quranic challenge, holy text...therefore gawd!1!!1!11!1! /s

[@DariusRoland]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor DOH! I forgot about the trees. I guess I'm Christian now.

[@cnault3244]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor When they tell me "look at the trees" I respond "Oh, you're a druid".

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

If you’re a parent, the whole god sending his children to hell really becomes challenging to comprehend.

[@stevesheppardmusic]

And if people use that, it's child abuse

[@emordnilaps]

Been there. Remember every day that hell was invented and we have no way to know whether or not an afterlife exists. Celebrate the fallen, the taken, the innocent. Here. Now.

[@joshboydtheactor]

I always hate when they ask why the hosts don’t address Islam. Plenty of creators do, but xtianity is the biggest threat to rights and freedoms in the USA.

[@theotakux5959]

They address whoever calls them. The caller should just search for clips, there's plenty of clips from Muslim callers. And the hosts don't treat it with any more respect than they do Christianity.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Chris also complained that noone ever answered why. Pretty sure I've answered them on Forrest's comment section!

[@roqsteady5290]

First you need to convince me that there are fairies at the bottom of my garden. Then, if that works, you can start with god.

[@privatizitat815]

But you see, I have pictures with this incredible device called a camera. Fairies are real, see? It was on the news and all. Paper cut outs? No no, that were totally real fairies

[@KikomochiMendoza]

@@privatizitat815 Arthur Conan Doyle believes in fairies. And he wrote Sherlock Holmes so he must be smart. Therefore fairies exists. Checkmates A-fairiests.

[@purefoldnz3070]

Of course the answer is : Then I saw her face, now I'm a believer Not a trace of doubt in my mind

[@wwlib5390]

@purefoldnz3070 Even the demons believe, friend. Waiting for the Second Coming when EVERYONE alive will see His face and KNOW the Truth will be a day late and a dollar short for those who have remained in unbelief up to that point - those who have died before the Second Coming - in that unbelief - also KNOW, but again, a day late and a dollar short. Today is the day of your salvation. If you hear the Word of the Gospel in John 3 16 and 1 Corinthians 15:3-8, then today is the day to heed and act upon it for your own sake.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Basically believe as you will because it'll make no difference to someone like the above poster

[@danielkeizer4174]

​@@wwlib5390and we bring in the imaginary evil beings as an example of belief in your imaginary being... incredible...you really don't understand how silly this argument is? Here I'll adapt it; even the harfoots fear Sauron, so you ought to be frightened too for the character in my book if everyone in my book is afraid of him....

[@Seticzech]

@@wwlib5390 "If you hear the Word of the Gospel in John 3 16 and 1 Corinthians 15:3-8" Do you have originals? 😀Of course not. You believe in lie.

[@xaenon]

@@wwlib5390 "Even the demons believe..." What demons? Show me these demons. Show me this god of yours. Show me these angels and devils and heaven and hell, show me the soul you pretend to have, show me that you're not some delusional twit pretending ancient, stupid fairy tales aren't just some shit ancient, long dead con-men made up and that you've never really, truly questioned out of raw cowardice. If thou cannot, then thee well and truly should seeketh the services of a proctologist, that he might extract thine head from thine arse.

[@amtlpaul]

What will NOT convince me is some joker saying: "Everything falls apart, therefore everything must have been put together perfectly by a perfect deity." That’s not even a valid argument, let alone a sound one.

[@isaoblack987]

if it were put together perfectly by a perfect being why would it ever fall apart in the first place?

[@BlackTomorrowMusic]

Not sure why, but now I'm imagining a newly converted Trent Reznor singing "Without God everything falls apart. Without God it's not as much fun to pick up the pieces."

[@georgem2334]

First of all, which God? There are thousands throughout history.

[@randyzeitman1354]

There are thousands of literary characters. One (idea) of god.

[@borthwrenblanston6632]

You’d “Know” the right G0D by what they did: We can use “Thor” “Thor” didn’t claim to create time, space and matter at the REQUIRED same time as Jesus did in Genesis 1:1..”In the beginning (time), G0D created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter).” NOR does he declare you a liar if you do not see “HIM” by seeing his creation: “For since the creation of the world G0D’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” - Romans 1:20 (NIV) NOR did he become flesh and dwell among us like Jesus did: “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 NOR did he rise again and take his place at the right hand of the Father: “Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.” - Mathew 26:64 NOR is he going to be your Judge at JUDGEMENT DAY >> “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before G0D; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Revelation 20:12 So does that answer your question as to why JESUS and no other?

[@stephenolan5539]

​@@randyzeitman1354 Zeus?

[@michaelmay5453]

@@stephenolan5539 No, the idea is an extremely powerful being that can do shit we would classify as magic. Or a cat.

[@stephenolan5539]

@@michaelmay5453 So Liono?

[@markpolice3585]

Watching this guy scramble to redefine hell after he realized how ridiculous and horrible it is was very entertaining.

[@billmcdonald4335]

Best quote to answer that is from Aron Ra: "Blunt force trauma to the head."

[@Refertech101]

It'd take more then that, I'd need rather serious brain damage to become that delusional

[@jpbaley2016]

No person could make me believe. Only the supernatural would be able to convince me of the supernatural.

[@Finckelstein]

Right? All those terrible arguments are completely useless. I don't need your words, I need actual evidence.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

If there were an all-powerful god which wanted me to believe it exists, it should be able to just reconfigure my brain so I do. That god seems to not exist, because I'm sitting here not believing in it.

[@charlestownsend9280]

"It's not going to be demons whipping you bdsm style." Well now I'm disappointed.

[@mikevaujin4525]

Instead of asking “What evidence would you need to convince you of God?” , Christians might want to ask themselves “What evidence would convince them that Christianity was false?” If God suddenly appeared in the sky, visible to the entire earth, and said in a booming voice “Humans, Christianity is False! The true religion is Islam!”, would they convert? Or would they claim it was a mass delusion, or a satanic trick?

[@haactgaming9687]

There isn’t any reason an almighty god couldn’t prove himself to me or others…just another reason not to believe!

[@eggheadusa]

Just because you lack the ability to think of your own theories doesn’t mean none are possible. If god was infinite he would have to look into negative possibilities or he wouldn’t be infinite. There’s things you just don’t know you don’t know

[@vanessacherche6393]

@@eggheadusa fresh word salad. still disgusting. throw it out.

[@Jcs57]

But if he proved he was real that would take away your free will is the most common answer. The explanation is even more nonsensical and incoherent so I won’t go into it.

[@Captain101-x1o]

@@eggheadusa‘Negative possibilities’? 😆 No evidence that is possible. No evidence a god is possible, no evidence a god exists. A nonsensical word salad full of unproven assertions does not equal proof or evidence of anything!

[@eggheadusa]

@@Captain101-x1o I’m a atheist, idc what a claim is about if I see a logical explanation ima challenge the claim with it. A infinite god would need to be infinite by definition that means it would have to create all possibles even negative. That’s what being omnipotent/almighty means.

[@petermeyer6873]

Q: What would make me a believer? A: Lobotomy could do the trick!

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

"What does God need with a starship?"

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

Now you're asking the real questions

[@matthatch3920]

You won the comment of the day. Lmao.

[@dragonhealer7588]

That's on par with "Does God have a belly button"!

[@revwillyg6450]

That's Xenu, not Yahweh😂

[@BeachBumZero]

​@revwillyg6450 If you were God, why in the world would you not create such a badass piece of machinery?

[@somersetcace1]

An actual god would do it. However, apparently while no one ever seems to have an issue letting me know they exist, even if I rather they didn't, gods seem to be lacking in that area.

[@IsraelLazoPlus]

Please guys next time a theist ask you what would take for you to start believing. ask them back what would take them to stop believing.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

They often do. The answers may not surprise you.

[@Oxus21]

No need to be so rational. Ask what it would take for them to believe in Odin.

[@ianbabineau5340]

“You’re using human morality for god”. Yeah, I’m human. I have human morality. What other morality should I apply?

[@jursamaj]

"Hell isn't really torture… but it's bad and punishment and you don't want to go there… but it's not torture, honest." People like this are trying *sooo* hard to have their cake and eat it too.

[@matthew3136]

religious education really shows how little people actually learn from it.

[@Anglomachian]

“Look guys, just because what my god does is evil, vindictive, petty, and vengeful, it doesn’t count because he’s god. You’re just not looking at the situation of inflicting unspeakable agony on someone for eternity, from gods perspective.” You’ve been brainwashed. The Dear Leader can do no wrong by definition.

[@Gandhi_Physique]

That's one thing I don't like hearing. "Why do you only pick on Christians?" Uh.. because that's what it around me. This should be obvious. I mean, I'll still talk about other religions too, but only when they say something obviously dumb.

[@BeachsideHank]

"Why do you only pick on Christians?" Gotta drain the swamp first.

[@DariusRoland]

He played Liberty U: The Home Game and lost.

[@DariusRoland]

Nobody wins that game. Playing it IS losing.

[@ziploc2000]

Hell: We all end up in the same place, but atheists still don't recognize the existence of an invisible intangible silent super-being, and we're still surrounded by these deluded fools telling us they can see and talk with her. Forever...

[@borthwrenblanston6632]

No, not at all. You either go to heaven or hell. They are not the SAME PLACE.

[@ziploc2000]

@@borthwrenblanston6632 I see the joke went right over your head.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@borthwrenblanston6632 Or you can go back to heaven and make silly claims about Job's loyalty... Spouted by a delusional, undercooked, poorly made angel... And get taken, utterly seriously - as it were.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

​@@borthwrenblanston6632 You're not getting this are you?

[@wyldink1]

@@ziploc2000 Everything goes over his head. He's the official Dunning-Kruger posterboy of theism.

[@davidantell2855]

If the reward for not wanting anything to do with a god is an eternity of separation from that god, not seeing the downside.

[@windspast]

12:30 Caller says he believes hell is going to have alot of hateful people. Oh okay, so a bunch of christians are gonna be there then.... so maybe we ARE already currently all in hell?

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

Hell is being surrounded by theists on a daily basis. This is hell.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@AbsurdlyGeeky Unless they're all me. I'm fairly nice 😁

[@danielkeizer4174]

And I'll be with the group that opposes that? And won't be allowed near them and their great cosmic dictator? Stop it. You convinced me already....

[@danielkeizer4174]

​@@AbsurdlyGeekyso we must be going to heaven. As I always say to the christians; you do realize that Jeffrey Dahmer became a devout Christian before he died right? You're going to spend eternity with that guy in close proximity. Good luck.

[@rico4170]

I just found this channel a week ago but i have been addicted to it since! Forrest is my favorite host❤️❤️

[@nuclearsimian3281]

Evidence. Actual, testable, repeatable evidence that stands up to scrutiny in a laboratory. That's just belief, though. I will never worship the abrahamic deities or any other cruel, capricious, vindictive deity.

[@larrycarter3765]

Well the guy could show up, get on national TV. That would do it.

[@stonehengemaca]

He could just make it so you believed. Why did he create everyone with a choice? Everyone that lived and passed before Christianity was spread around the world didn't even get a choice. They just all went directly to hell. And God knew it. He's omniscient.

[@ihatespam2]

Nope! That’s a weak demonstration, it would be irrational to assume it’s god.

[@Captain101-x1o]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@stonehengemaca😆 What’s this? Assertion bingo? “He could make it so you believed” - No proof he exists, no proof he could make it so. “Why did he create everyone” - No evidence he did, plenty of evidence to the contrary. “They all went directly to hell” - No evidence of hell, no evidence anyone has ever been sent there. “He is omniscient” No evidence it is a he, no evidence he is omniscient or even exists. Effective debate requires logic, evidence and reasoning. Random assertions loosely based on a 2000 year old unsubstantiated folk tale don’t cut it in this day and age of enlightened thinking.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

Lol, so Hell is just all of us non-believers being reincarnated as immortal adults. So he says Hell won't be inherently nasty, so why can't we enjoy the beauty there and ignore and defend against the rotten people, just as we do here? Sounds great!

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

"My ways are not your ways." I bet their Satan would say the exact same thing. It's just so insane.

[@lucywillis4174]

Aren't atheists already separated from god? What do I lose if that what Hell is????

[@seanmcmichael2551]

Oh good, hell isn't torture ? It's just separation. Well at least I won't have to spend eternity with a needy PoS (god, I mean... not the caller).

[@MrCanis4]

“What Would it Take To Believe? Who, How. There are so many.

[@christasimon9716]

I believe I'll have another drink.

[@dragonhealer7588]

​@@christasimon9716 Cheers! That's the only belief system I have 😊

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@dragonhealer7588 SirSicIsm?

[@AshaCrone]

I mean, why do we never get the reverse? Why are theists unwilling to ask the question "What would it take for you to become an atheist?"

[@wwlib5390]

@AshaCrone Good question. That would depend. IMO there are 'weak' and 'strong' Believers - and 'weak' and 'strong' atheists. A 'weak' believer is given the Gospel, receives it gladly and then the trials and tribs in their lives begin to choke the Word out and doubts blossom and they turn away. A 'strong' believer is given the Gospel, implements the teachings and character of Jesus into their lives, tests the promises contained in His many Names and recognizes evidence of God's presence in their lives with miracles, answered prayer (and delayed answers), healings, etc, and, even through the ups and downs of life, and through those experiences come to actually KNOW Christ as the disciples knew Him and finally, has come to Peter's conclusion 'where else would I go? You have the Words of Life." For the weak believer, all it would take to run from God is a couple of 'unanswered (instantly, on their demand) or delayed-answer prayers'. For a strong believer it would take the complete disintegration of the earth and the vaporizing of everything on it to happen before either the Rapture or the Second Coming before they would stop believing in what they KNOW is Truth. Now, perhaps you can tell me what it would take for a 'weak' and a 'strong' atheist to come to faith in Christ = and perhaps whether you believe yourself to be 'weak' or 'strong' in atheism.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@wwlib5390 So you're a weak believer then. Explains why you fail 2 Timothy 4 so often and are a bigot.

[@AshaCrone]

@@wwlib5390 The point is that this is the question so often asked of atheists and not to theists on these kinds of shows. Yet when the question is turned on them, they act like it's an unfair question, or that they can't conceive of a reason why others have just as much faith in gods other than their own. It's about the profound lack of self-awareness on display here. And if there is a deity, well, they'd figure out a way to make me believe. Hasn't happened yet.

[@wwlib5390]

​@@AshaCrone First, no one can MAKE you, me or anyone else BELIEVE anything at all (you can fake belief and fool people but you can never fool God). I answered your question. Saying a deity would figure out a way to MAKE you believe - isn't going to happen, as I said above Even many people who SAW Jesus do miracles and heard Him teach wisdom way above the level of a mere 'carpenter's son' with their own ears and eyes, didn't believe - why are YOU any different? God tells you that only those who will SEEK HIM will FIND HIM. Only those who will, on their own accord because they MUST know - will draw near to Him that He will draw near to them. God already figured out the only Way and did EVERYTHING for you on the Cross - He offers you forgiveness and paid the penalty for your sin of rejection and rebellion in FULL so you don't have to AND so that the relationship (knowing Him) that was severed by your rejection can be restored by your faith and trust in Him (the relationship as He knew with Adam where they both walked and talked in the Garden is YOURS if you want it!). Have no sin? Sin doesn't exist? Then the Cross offers you nothing and Jesus won't force Himself into your life. Do you really WANT to know? John 3 16 is the ONLY way He made for you to obtain that knowledge, to KNOW His love and His promises. But, you don't have to follow His ways. At the Second Coming, every eye will behold Him - a day late and a dollar short for those who have remained in their unbelief. Today, if you hear the Word, take heed and draw near to Him. I wish you well.

[@LetoATX]

The greatest and most heinous of God's cruelties is the infinite punishment of hell for the finite crime of non-belief. An all knowing God that created something would know exactly what it would take to convince his creation, so the sin is ultimately his. And the caller describes hell as a place of rage and hateful people... one becomes enraged when one has been wronged. I can think of nothing more wrong than condemning a soul for all eternity.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

Anyone else immediately thinks back to the "Star Trek:TNG" episode "Devil's Due" from season 4?? The main character is a con artist pretending to be a deity named "Ardra" in order to fool the inhabitants of an alien planet. She uses pretty common technology known within the fictional universe of the show to simulate supernatural powers and the less than skeptical aliens almost fall for the ruse🤣

[@DariusRoland]

I do remember that episode and think about it often when watching believers try to convince the hosts with this line of questioning.

[@DariusRoland]

It's true, I'm a huge Star Trek fan.

[@stevesheppardmusic]

Q is God, Mon capitaine

[@Callimo]

​@stevesheppardmusic Lol while the Q are pretty advanced, they also have rivals: the El-Aurian, who are Guinan's people. They really are frightened of them for some reason. Oh, and the Borg.

[@gjb3181]

God should be held to a moral standard far above ourselves

[@randyzeitman1354]

Two requirements for god. 1. Does something humans can’t do. 2. Does something all humans can observe.

[@NottherealLucifer]

That isn't enough to prove a thing is a god. An alien that does something we can't, by your logic, is a god. It would mean their entire species are gods.

[@_equinox1689]

chickens are gods because they grow feathers

[@rr.studios]

😂😂😂 "behold! A man!" ​@@_equinox1689

[@__evidence__in__my__channe5172]

I've spoken with many atheists like you, and the issue is never a lack of evidence but a refusal to accept it. Even if convinced that God is good, loving, and just, many would still reject Him-not because of evidence, but because of what's in their hearts. You pick and choose which scientists and historians to believe based on your worldview, dismissing others as liars or conspiracy theorists. Yet, you're not there during the discoveries or studies-you follow others blindly, *by faith*, from behind your phone. There is a wealth of historical and archaeological evidence supporting the Bible: Sodom and Gomorrah, the Red Sea crossing, the Shroud of Turin, Noah's Ark, and more. The problem isn't evidence-it’s your unwillingness to accept it. You've been influenced by the education system and media, but you refuse to see what's plainly out in the open.

[@borthwrenblanston6632]

Sorry pal, but God doesn't answer to you. Fire burns whether it's PROVED to you or not. But for your viewing pleasure: Humans can't create life; only God can create life. We "observe" life.

[@jarodcarnarvon5198]

If I was God, I couldn't handle a mass of people bowing down & worshipping me. It would bother me too much. I would just want my creation to maybe like & respect me & have some kind of relation with me. But not bow down to me and call me "King Of Kings & Lord Of Lords" non-stop for eternity......!!!

[@privatizitat815]

Well you see, god is an ego maniac, good on you for not being that

[@Chronicle-in8vu]

Worshipping for eternity now that sounds like HELL to me....

[@Beacon80]

"But if I was God, it'd get kinda weird 'Cause you would only say what I wanna hear And then you would die, you'd love me to death I never know who the hell I am" - AJR, _Maybe Man_

[@bloodyrose1995]

I recently had a Christian tell me that hell is not a threat, but a “warning” and thus it does not interfere with someone’s choice to worship god.

[@amtlpaul]

Still no valid/sound arguments for any god existing. Just idiocy from trolls making their religions look bad.

[@PauloBarreto15041964]

He was not listening. Just after Forrest talked and ask him, "does this answers your question?" he comes back with a story who is exactly what Forrest said, and he was very surprised, just like Forrest did not just finished to say the exact same thing.

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

So God is omnipresent...except for Hell. Are there more places that are shadowy and hidden from God's sight?

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Well he's not in my house 😉

[@twowardrobeswardrobes1536]

Tulsa

[@Extraterrestrial-Bilu]

I'd take a post-it not appearing out of nowhere that explains why "Do not enslave other people" isn't one of the ten commandments.

[@guylandolt]

If there really was a God, we wouldn't need scriptures (certainly not cruel, stolen and invented ones like in the Bible!)

[@walterdaems57]

Gullibility and wilful ignorance is a great start

[@simay4977]

Ah, the ol' Nixon argument: "When the President does it, that means it is not illegal".

[@SuperChicken666]

An alien civilization who is a million or even a couple of thousand years ahead of us could probably convince almost anyone of anything. And if they had a sense of humor...😊

[@Paolo8772]

How long will it take for Jeremy to post irrelevant scripture?

[@joshsheridan9511]

He's late, he usually posts within minutes. Maybe he's praying for inspiration.

[@canderson5098]

That guy couldn't sell blood to a vampire. Him and Libby need to hook up and revel in their failure together.

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AXKfUN9m]

The question is with which account he'll post.

[@d_camara]

Relevant? It's the same 2 versicles every time

[@ajniecithya5849]

If every person on this planet would wake up tomorrow with a bible in their own language, and they could read it even if they were illiterate. That would be a start. If the books could not be destroyed and anyone could exactly understand the meaning without any need of interpretation, I think this would convince me at least to a higher degree of confidence.

[@Captain101-x1o]

And if that bible had only one version that was consistent and written by someone we know existed. And along side it was another book of know authorship with a contemporary and independent account that matches.

[@stevenburkhardt1963]

“It’s going to be S&M style”. I love it! 😂

[@drzaius844]

Infinite punishment for a finite offense. 👌🏽 Edit: the caller doesn’t care if Forrest and GE go to hell. He clearly says that at the beginning of his answer. Solid dude.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

If my deceased Dad knocked on my door and came to talk to me.. in front of other witnesses, and told me that god and the afterlife were real, I would have to re-evaluate my atheism.

[@Captain101-x1o]

I’d have to reevaluate my medication!

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16

[@nealjroberts4050]

And I'd have to re-evaluate my theism!

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@jaflenbond7854 Carrigaline?

[@kelvinhooks9399]

I would say that if this god would cure every disease on earth all at one time without any human intervention, that would all diseases, all sicknesses, all mental illnesses all at once would be convincing!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Growing back an amputees limb or all amputees limbs after the pious pray for it. That would be something I couldn't explain but I still couldn't say it was God, because I couldn't rule out that it was some sort of advanced alien technology

[@kelvinhooks9399]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 considering that our bodies are capable of self healing would make it questionable but would require looking into!

[@theotakux5959]

12:24 Based on what I've heard from religious people, Heaven would be filled with hateful people, too.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

Yep, just go watch Dawkins reading his love letters and you'll get a real taste of just how hateful and gross they are.

[@danielkeizer4174]

​​@@jackwhitbread4583love letters? Just because he acknowledged that Christianity, at this time anyway, is the lesser of all evils doesn't mean he loved it. 😂😂😂

[@VogtTD]

Christian: Morality is objective and comes from God. Also Christian: It’s not immoral when God does it.

[@BeachsideHank]

Thanks for that, it comes out like this to me: *Xians say Man can't morally evaluate God. Then they morally evaluate God to be good, so remember it’s not immoral when God does it.*

[@phrozenwun]

I don't know what this god thing is that everyone keeps talking about. If you want me to believe, long before we get to identifying evidence, you have to provide a coherent definition. Every religious discussion I have ever heard puts the cart before the horse in that no coherent definition has ever been posited.

[@dwightfitch3120]

And they say you should seek before you know that there’s anything to seek. Like you said : c before h. They don’t seem to consider that if you want to find something badly enuf, you’re as like as not to find it. Confirmation bias and self fulfilling prophecy in action

[@nealjroberts4050]

I'm an agnostic pantheist. My definition is: a sapient entity that can be unaffected by the universe (physics, chemistry, etc). Is that coherent enough?

[@phrozenwun]

@@nealjroberts4050 That is not a definition, that is at best a non-specific description of an ability; and even that invokes incoherence. Would you accept the definition of a horse as an object that can move laterally to the force of gravity? I would hope not, as it is wholly unspecific to the existential nature of a horse. Further, I understand sapience to encompass processing and retention of information. If you have knowledge of something you have been and ever shall be affected by that thing. Thus enabling this attribute becomes equivalent to an inability to interact with reality and that is synonymous with non-existence, ie. incoherence.

[@nealjroberts4050]

@@phrozenwun It's the best I can do on limited data. I'm not about to lie like these Christians

[@phrozenwun]

@@nealjroberts4050 Very good. May I suggest you keep searching for understanding? I and, I am sure, the rest of us would greatly appreciate a coherent definition for what ever this god thing might be.

[@RockinWitB_Rock]

Idk what u guys did to piss off KZbin. But I "swear to god" I never get notifications from atheist experience 😫😫🙄😡

[@isaacbruner65]

First notification I've seen in a while was for this one

[@nealjroberts4050]

It's a YT issue for everyone. Might just be easier to look at your subscriptions page.

[@stevesheppardmusic]

It all falls apart with Adam and Eve, its impossible to seed a world from one persons DNA.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Well, more mathematically improbable such that it's practically impossible

[@williamwatson4354]

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll believe when Jesus returns to Earth and is believed by a majority of Christians, then I'll believe. Mind you, I don't believe it will ever happen.

[@borthwrenblanston6632]

Fire burns regardless of what you BELIEVE. Apparently, you're too sorry to get off your butt & do the research to know & understand reality.

[@AXKfUN9m]

A majority of Christians already believe in Jesus though? Isn't that what being a Christian is about? Jesus is running late though.

[@privatizitat815]

No no no, *ALL* christians. Not majority. ALL. That would be somewhat convincing, but still not proof, but at least a good first step

[@Trumpulator]

​@@borthwrenblanston6632Which specific version of Christianity do you want everyone to follow, that you are claiming is the 100% perfectly accurate and correct version? I'll wait.

[@wyldink1]

@@Trumpulator Prepare to cringe, because that's all he offers.

[@petebetz5358]

I often wonder why we hem and haw with this question. No evidence. No matter how small will be provided. I could tell this guy turn this water to wine. Or pillar of fire or cure a sniffle ,anything. And he wouldn't be able to provide the evidence.

[@nobody.of.importance]

I don't agree with Chris, but I do appreciate that he could remain calm and largely polite through the call. It made it more like a discussion than a fight, which is significantly nicer to listen to.

[@juintevrucht6079]

The saying is: one person's heaven is another person's hell. I haven't read the Buy-bull, I could never get past the first page, but how is hell described there? Christians can interpret it any way they want, though, & do. Anyway, great episode John & Forrest.

[@frmrchristian8488]

6:19 - For me, the ultimate question regarding worship is "Why is it important to THE GOD that we worship it?" Something tells me a god that desires worship isn't perfect and isn't worthy of worship. I'm not even sure "worship" is even a thing that should ever be done to any person or being.

[@KingOpenReview]

Remember, gods are generally tied tons of other claims, many unscientific, ahistorical, or full on supernatural. Basically, to me, asking what it would take to prove God existed is like asking what it would take to prove gravity didn't. The whole universe would have to be constructed in a way that's completely different from how it is.

[@nibsvkh]

Online degree from Liberty College…how impressive is this genius?

[@queuecee]

A guy posts the same comments MULTIPLE times bellyaching about his religion getting criticized but "wokism" is not getting criticized in the right way. And he thinks i'm spamming because i respond? This guy should figure out what spam means.

[@eggheadusa]

Yeah look above this he just posted it again just to mock you

[@queuecee]

@@eggheadusa 😂 Yeah. You totally mocked me, the one YOU called a spammer.🤣

[@walterdaems57]

Take the advice from every conman on the planet: ‘have faith in me, believe in me, trust me’.

[@amtlpaul]

Strong evidence would do it. That means known facts from which it is most reasonable to conclude that a God exists. Not logical fallacies. Not accusations. Not threats. Evidence presented in a rational argument.

[@borthwrenblanston6632]

Fire burns regardless of what you BELIEVE. Apparently, you're too sorry to get off your butt & do the research to know & understand reality.

[@quentind1924]

@@borthwrenblanston6632 He did say ". Not logical fallacies. Not accusations. Not threats. Evidence presented in a rational argument.", but apparently you missed this part

[@amtlpaul]

@@borthwrenblanston6632 try reading the OP

[@dwightfitch3120]

Why do so many of these guys think accepting a capricious god is a ok?

[@dwightfitch3120]

@@borthwrenblanston6632Holy fuck, YOU calling the atheists lazy and divorced from reality takes the cake. They have verifiable, and verified evidence to go on. You just have ur imagination and superficial observations of nature which only scratch the surface. The only deep diving you do is into ur own mind

[@walterdaems57]

Infinite gullibility and wilful ignorance are a great start to believe in a god.

[@chongeiktong3426]

A god that is not able to give me the numbers for the next Powerball or Megamillions draw is a waste of time to be worshiped. Do not reply if god had not done the same to you. Your replies are not worth a single cent.

[@privatizitat815]

Well, if god would do that to everyone the lottery would become kinda worthless. If a million people win a million dollar lottery they'd all just get a dollar. Just ask for like a massive diamond or something

[@queuecee]

​@@privatizitat815Well, that might cause the diamond market to plummet.

[@chongeiktong3426]

@@privatizitat815 . Then god is irrelevant as god is not able to please everybody. Then we go to work for a living and forget about god.

[@privatizitat815]

@@chongeiktong3426 Exactly

[@chongeiktong3426]

@@privatizitat815 thanks pal.

[@walterdaems57]

Because it stands to logic and reason that a celestial wizard shook the universe out of his sleeve

[@notconvinced]

25 😝 and a 💩 to this caller! 😂

[@artemisnite]

Pray all the kids with cancer healed and end world hunger. A loving gawd should gleefully grant that prayer.

[@ironman_546]

God would have to be provable by the scientific method. He would have to show up in a predictable way, that could be measured by impact. Only that could prove to me a god exists.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I've come across what I think are Chris's questions several times. Everyone answered him the way Forrest did but that didn't satisfy them. I wonder if they'll stop now?

[@moonshoes11]

Novel, testable predictions.

[@quentind1924]

What would it take to believe ? Evidence that couldn't have been faked by a cult leader. We all agree that a cult leader is able to have over a billion followers a thousand year after he dies (either christianity, islam or both depending on your religion), so it's a big red flag that thye both have a similar number of followers. God should be able to distinguish himself from stories invented by cult leaders, no ?

[@Ferst60]

A verifiable supernatural occurrence seen by all humans and lots of evidence

[@Iamjamessmith1]

I live in a nation where the majority of people believe that all people on Earth are broken and insufficient for living a meaningful or good or beneficial life. These further believe that they have been healed by a super Master and are part of the super Masters team that will be able to heal the entire world. And this team must tell the entire world about their Master and wherever possible take over politics and law to control everyone everywhere all the time if possible for their Master. The group in my nation has called Christianity. The group in other areas are called Muslim. They both think they're the best things since sliced bread and if you disagree with them they will kill you if they can or just shut you up and put you into poverty if they can. They do this because they say they love you.

[@Andre-zw5kl]

I just had a thought. Let's imagine for a second that God is real and he created what the Bible claims he created. I'm pretty sure we outsmart him with our creations. We created an universe as well, the internet. And don't let me start with all the others things starting with modern medicine all the way to nuclear bombs and spaceships

[@ianbabineau5340]

A god who can’t convince one specific skeptic is not omnipotent. So an omnipotent god must be able to convince everyone. That leads to further questions: why has this god not done this? Why would this god hide? Perhaps you should reconsider if such a god is even real. A god not existing is good reason for him not revealing itself.

[@ronnicolas4001]

So sad that even the nicest sounding Christian ends up diving head first into bigotry.

[@analogalien651]

Odd how Christians judge humans at a higher standard than god.

[@Captain101-x1o]

Not hard considering gods track record! If Jesus can back to earth and claimed to be god he should be sent straight to The Hague!

[@jozelleprice520]

I agree with Becky. God is an asshole.

[@profanepersonality]

I need something observable and measurable.

[@AcidicSceptic]

If theists can come to some consensus on what exactly god is, which is what religion tries to do, then at least I can have some idea what it'd take to believe or not. But they can't and won't. So F it.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!* "He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9 "The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16

[@Seticzech]

@@jaflenbond7854 blabla from insane mind

[@stephpar.official]

The incredulity that he shows that someone could believe that a god exists but not worship it is kind of weird when they believe that Forrest exists but don't worship him. :-)

[@Gandhi_Physique]

Let me get this straight, our morals come from the Christian god, but why does this sense of morality he himself gave me tell me he is evil? Did he make a mistake or does morality not come from this fictional being at all?

[@Glasschin2.0]

His version of hell sounds a lot like how theists, have treated people with different beliefs for thousands of years.

[@zamakanth]

We exmuslims get the same qustion by muslims that why dont we talk about cristianety? They go even further and say that the reason is that islam is the one true religon, some also say that the reason is that we are securtly cristians😂😂

[@charlesoliver2535]

Any punishment for not believing something which hasn't been demonstrated is evil. It doesnt matter what the punishment is.