10 Underwhelming Shock Twists That Made Their Films Worse

[@davidjsaul]

Any film where Willem Dafoe starts out as a good guy but doesn't turn out to actually be a villain is a legit twist for me.

[@5Ci0N]

Big fan of The Boondock Saints then eh? 👍

[@danamoore1788]

@@5Ci0N or Patriot Games?

[@crunchynutter8241]

Clear and present danger? John wick?

[@davidjsaul]

@@crunchynutter8241 surely everyone loves John Wick?

[@jennapowell2278]

Lmao 🤣🤣 me too!

[@4KExplorer]

Any film where Sean Bean survives constitutes a shock twist for me.

[@josephmorse3089]

The Martian

[@scrpnvmbr]

@@josephmorse3089 he's fired

[@josephmorse3089]

@@scrpnvmbr But he doesn't die

[@mtinneberg]

I watched Ronin for the first time last night, not only was I surprised to see him survive, he leaves 30 minutes into the film

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Red Eye.

[@mattdickie4696]

My wife (she's American) watched Remember Me. She said that it made her think of 9/11 in a new way....How everyone who was killed had lives, dreams, friends and family. The twist was that that day came out of the blue for them as much as us. The twist seemed senseless because the event was senseless.

[@koboldmaki6014]

I felt the exact same way, although not being American. This was a tragedy that was unforeseeable, so it's kind of an adequate portrayal. And sure, it doesn't really fit with the tone of the movie (being such an intimate portrait of a family, mostly), but it does reflect some themes of the movie, like grief and cruel coincidences.

[@arizonaolave]

I totally agree

[@Juan-zl3fy]

Maybe. I always thought that the only hint that theyre in 2001 was when theyre talking about baseball, the players the team had back them and all. Still, they didnt movie right in that twist

[@0230309]

The guy doesnt even consider that. I thought it was a strong movie bcause of that. Pretty standard story of boring-people romance up until the end where I was like damn there are 3000+ (boring) robert pattinsons in that building He found it to be offensive?

[@dragonhat22]

As someone who lost people in the attack, that's dumb

[@jeffwhite5007]

Why wasn't the sequel to now you see me called "now you don't" missed opportunity.

[@Juan-zl3fy]

That's an easy one. They thought they would get to do a sequel

[@michaelgallardo8158]

Now You See Me TOO

[@torganya]

Wish they hadn't made the first one. Awful film

[@deadhead8323]

If I remember that was considered as the name for the sequel.

@@torganya Totally!! I watched after seeing people praising it on comments and damn, it was a stupidly awful filme. The sequel managed to be even worse. I really don't get why people love them so much.

[@grantjones306]

Just to pile on Serenity, the son who developed the game with his mom in it, actually programmed her a sex scene and to be abused. Yuck!

[@animetributes6996]

That is what children do (write, draw) when it is their everyday. The trauma must be expressed somehow or there will be psychological damage. The scifi component of the movie is that this expression - the VR world he created - was responsive and his VR "father" gave him input on how to end the nightmare.

[@grantjones306]

@@animetributes6996 that’s a far cry from an interactive game that others will then play. In our reality, it’s just a horrible script.

[@rockstarphantom8112]

I turned it off after 5 minutes but now that I know why the dialogue sounded like it was written by a child, it makes sense.

[@PHILDEBEAST]

Is the film any good though

[@grantjones306]

@@PHILDEBEAST it’s awful

[@Spbloomquist]

I remember Serenity being a completely different movie about space cowboys

[@JB-dt1pi]

It’s not exactly a unique film title lol

[@cooltrainervaultboy-39]

@@JB-dt1pi kinda like how some movies have "Genesis" or "Revelations" as their subtitles.

[@JB-dt1pi]

@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 yes, exactly lol, or “awakening”

[@WakenerOne]

I remember Space Cowboys as being about Statler and Waldorf in space.

[@WakenerOne]

@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 How about _Arrival?_ A movie about aliens coming to Earth, but is their objective to teach us their language and mental time travel, or to induce global warming so that they can kill us off and take our planet for their own???

[@KatMTeach]

“The reason why a twist is effective is because we feel like we should have seen it all coming.” YES! That’s exactly what I was saying when I watched the Now You See Me movies. I told my husband the twist wasn’t satisfying because I couldn’t look back and say OHH I GET IT NOW!! I just looked back and said, uhh, that didn’t make any sense.

[@bbsy1]

How so? Upon subsequent viewings it makes perfect sense, the con is he is pretending he is overzealous so they can succeed. His plan ends with him getting revenge and the four who were used as pawns safe from capture and discovery. In the sequel, Morgan Freeman is said to be in the group, that still doesn’t contradict anything because the members of the group are allowed to act independently and only team up when one of them needs help. Freeman simply told the other members to not tell Ruffalo because he felt guilty he couldn’t help his friend so let said friend’s son take revenge on him.

[@timb4248]

Yea it's just lazy writing. You can't tell if the ending is tacked on to make it memorable, or if the writer started with the twist in mind, and just made an irrelevant movie so he could throw in that "awesome" twist he always wanted to make. "Wild Things" actually does this successfully, because the whole movie is kind of tongue-in-cheek and pulpy, so it's all in good fun, and causes the bad guys to all get what they deserve.

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

I thought the guy's motivation for revenge was kinda stupid, as his dad planned a trick using equipment not meant for the use he planned for it and died due to his own actions and negligence. I mean, yeah the insurance company kinda had it coming but the rest? Didn't make sense.

[@raizahasmath5580]

Now You See Me 1's plot twist was good though.

[@thomass4908]

Too be fair tho, about 50 minutes in, I said to my friends watching it with me. Mark Ruffalo is probably the guy behind everything or his acting just sucks in this movie. Turns out, he was and just something about the way he "acted" as the cop tryna catch him made me think that. We all see different things, you not seeing it doesn't make it a bad twist tho.

[@TheRealKevLarDaDon]

Out of all the shock twists I have ever seen. I can say that Primal Fear's ending absolutely blew my mind. I thought the movie was great, but the ending asserted itself into my top 10 movies of all-time.

[@dasbestgirlever]

Yes

[@ashleybrooke2087]

There never was an Aaron.

[@TheRealKevLarDaDon]

@@dasbestgirlever Primal Fear was absolutely AMAZING!

[@TheRealKevLarDaDon]

@@ashleybrooke2087 🙊 Let them watch it

[@AmbyJeans]

At first I thought it was a little boring, but omg by the end! That twist 🤯

[@yvettejones5630]

My takeaway of Remember Me was that even though the story was a little boring, every person that lost their life in the twin towers had their own story. That struck me as truly profound

[@ph7613]

Yeah I saw it as the complete opposite of offensive!

[@masterreaper115]

I see that, the main issue i guess is that its thrown at you at the very end. I diidnt see any hint of it going that way before the final scene. Its not that its actually about someone who die din 9/11 that is offensive. Its that theres no hint of it until the very last second.

[@lolly5657]

@@masterreaper115 I feel that not knowing it was going to happen is the point. On that day no one could have thought such a thing could happen. It was just another day in their lives. But that's my own interpretation 😞

[@andrewgonzalez8324]

@@erinn5898 its a beautiful story with felt relationships between the characters one of my top 5

[@zoom112358]

Yeah, that’s not a cheap twist... it’s the entire point of the movie.

[@TheThirdSilence]

For the Angels and Demons one: Langdon was brought in so it looked like they were doing everything they could; the bad guy's plan was to "miraculously" have the location of the bomb revealed to him, as if God himself told him. Finding it the old fashioned way, as they did, was kind of a backup plan, but ultimately he didn't care if Langdon died because he wanted the spectacle first and foremost. All of that is explained more in the book but never talked about in the movie, so that's why it seems so confusing.

[@FearHimself666]

I was sad that they left out the camerlangos backstory.

[@nicmagtaan1132]

bruh they left out langdon also flying with him and surviving without a parachute

[@brianh7861]

I personally didnt find the movie confusing on these points. The plan had to change in small ways because Langdon was not part of the plan, Ewan's char was not the one that brought Langdon in(at least in the movie, I didnt read the book). I disagree with the video's take on this twist as just not understanding the movie well enough.

[@kde6277]

THIS. It's actually mentioned in the movie in the wrap up, but you have to be paying close attention 'cause it goes by quick. I personally thought it was quite good and surprising. WhatCulture needs to do better research before they put these videos out.

[@isabelreyero3574]

And in the movie the scene with Langdon wasn’t an murder attempt, they where trapped by accident due to light cuts.

[@JDoors]

That The Forgotten turned out to be aliens didn't bother me too much, but that special effect of a character talking to another character then suddenly, without any warning, being swept up into the sky ... blew my mind. I believe I actually jumped the first time and was still startled when it happened again.

[@lovelyt8022]

Same

[@tipestip]

why do i remember an ending where she hallucinated all that and it ended up being an organisation behind all of that after all. they did an experiment, taking away mothers' children and trying out a drug that makes them forget... at the end all of the characters end up as they began, reunited and with memories and all that..

[@lizzieanne2002]

@@tipestip the ending I saw the aliens were the ones experimenting. They wanted to see if they could break the parent/child bond.

[@missmoanypants]

I laughed, every time.

[@toomanyaccounts]

the thing is the trailers had that twist spelled out

[@puckerbutton7025]

Legend has it that Sean Bean die's so much in his roles on tv and in movies because the universe is pissed that his first and last name don't rhyme

[@meems4378]

Had to explain why I was laughing to my husband just now. Well done. Rarely actually laugh out loud in real life....

[@alastair852]

Fun fact: Sean Bean’s real name is Shaun Bean. He did that shit on purpose.

[@maximaldinotrap]

That explains why Martin Septim dies at the end of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. He is voiced by Sean Bean.

[@davecash4158]

You win the internet 😂😂

[@fruithippie]

😂😂😂

[@codythinks4749]

Sure the forgotten wasn’t a perfect film but those abduction scenes where the people got sucked up into the sky were horrifying, just absolutely brilliant and affective

[@CelticVictory]

It's effective.

[@codythinks4749]

@@CelticVictory thankyou for your correction corrections help us to learn 😁

[@boydrewboy741]

I was amazed someone else had seen it, personally. As a child, that yeet to the sky made it difficult to sleep.

[@yugmi]

I dunno, when i saw it on teathers i felt it was a pretty good movie until the snatching sequences, with the first one i was left giggling on a "what the f just happened?" Way by the next one i just couldnt control it anymore and was lol.

[@lizzieanne2002]

I quite enjoyed it, and the aliens did have a reason. Interesting one, too.

[@HailAnts]

Interestingly, it was mostly the bad PR of Burton’s confusing ending that caused the sequel’s cancellation. The film did ok at the box office, $360M on a budget of $100M..

[@princessstomper8068]

Just think: Tim Roth turned down Professor Snape to take that job

[@NioneAlmie]

@@princessstomper8068 I love Tim Roth, but I'm so very happy to find out he didn't take the role. I couldn't imagine a Snape with Tim Roth's mannerisms.

[@MelodicQuest]

"And it was 9/11 the whole time!"

[@SurfingTubes]

Lots of CGI in that ....

[@juiceboxbzrk]

I actually didn't mind that to much when I saw the movie. 🤷‍♀️

[@matman000000]

Then who was phone???

[@lessanderfer7195]

The book has 2 astronauts find an ancient probe with the Diary of the main human character. He went to another planet where Ape-like creatures had taken over from Human-like creatures. When he returned to Earth, Apes had taken over there as well, though they were more welcoming than the scene from the movie. The journey was 500 years long, EACH WAY, so there was never any option of "returning" to his life, family or friends. The 2 astronauts thought it was silly to think that apes could ever become civilized and take over a planet. The last lines of the book reveal that they are, in fact, sentient Dogs or Dog-like creatures. The cycle continues.....

[@waynenewark5363]

Aren't the 2 astronauts who find the diary chimpanzees.

[@werrston]

Thanks, I'm even more confused now.

[@josephsherby]

So, if I’m understanding, it’s not that the apes somehow time traveled to change history, but rather a commentary on the cyclical nature of sentient life. Over the course of 1000 years, apes had taken over as the primary sentient life form on earth and basically rehashed all of human history

[@waynenewark5363]

@@josephsherby That's how I understood it, too

[@coreyjones3788]

@@josephsherby My understanding of it was that there's two different planets in Tim Burton's. Earth, and the Planet of the Apes. Rather than it being Earth the entire time. There's also a effect in the time travel. Whatever goes through first, comes out later on. So early on in the movie the ape astronaught Pericles of the humans goes in first, after him Marky Mark goes through like minutes later. And so Mark comes out first onto the planet of the Apes, and the Ape comes through some days later. So my understanding then is that at the end, when he travels back through to Earth, Thade follows at some time after. Creating a much larger gap in the time he followed, sending him much earlier in Earth's timeline than Mark Wahlberg would come in, same as it happened with Pericles earlier in the film.

[@mikeygormley]

Remember Me had a fascinating ending in my opinion. It demonstrated that regardless of the impacts the ups and downs of our lives have on us personally they're profoundly insignificant on a larger scale.

[@cocoagirl7921]

I like that point of view.

[@Saber0003]

I've never seen the movie, but I see it on lists like these a lot, and every time I feel like people are misrepresenting it a bit. I don't think its supposed to be a twist ending, I think its just showing us an example of life before that moment. It feels abrupt in the movie because it was abrupt in reality. We didn't see 9/11 coming back then.

[@redswasted8624]

@@Saber0003 couldn’t agree more with this......not seen the movie either but it’s clear that was the intention

[@allllysiaaa]

Agreed!!!

[@BipoIarbear]

It's a good movie

[@dejanschindler6574]

Palpatine should’ve said to Rey when he meets her: ,,I am your grandfather“ and leave a dramatic pause even though she and the audience already knew that he was

[@zulumike3228]

Palpatine: "I am your Grand papa. Come give papi a smoochie" 👁💋👁

[@zulumike3228]

Palpatine: Grampapa needs a spongue bath come help me wash my back"

[@NarwahlGaming]

Dramatic pause... And, then, in Monty Python Bridgekeeper fashion: "Right. Well, off you go."

[@13storeys]

Rey: NOOooOoOOoOoooo!!!

[@rocketraccoon1976]

No, he should have said: "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate!"

[@halesm5720]

But Remember Me hinted at it constantly... Admittedly i felt shocked and duped when I first watched it... But I rewatched it... Knowing the ending it is hinted at frequently. They show the towers multiple times, they show the date early on and time moving forward. You see articles about terrorism on newspapers and news tickers in the background... You see the towers at a point related to the dad (reflected on a car window)... So the twist was telegraphed and earned.

[@ElizabethT45]

To me, it's a sad portrayal of how ordinary that morning was to people heading in to work at the Towers that day. It was a perfect Fall day until it wasn't.

[@waxilliamladrian]

I will never agree that Remember Me needed to telegraph its ending, as 9/11 was not telegraphed for those who died that day. The point of the ending is that its literally out of nowhere, we were all caught up in our lives and such a massive tragedy literally came out of nowhere. I understand its hard for some people to like since its such a sad event but I think its a very strong use of it.

[@vonniestewart4416]

exactly!! it was perfect

[@elementblue780]

People don't dislike it because the event was sad. People dislike it because they used a national tragedy as a cheap, manipulative attempt to make their mediocre love story less mediocre and it just came off as really offensive.

[@waxilliamladrian]

@@elementblue780 I'm sure to some people and especially New Yorkers, yes. But it also re-contextualizes the whole film and vastly improves it's quality. I don't see it as cheap, maybe that's just me. I see it as a strong use of how tragedy can come out of nowhere whereas most movies with a "shock" ending like this build up and you sense it coming, whereas this feels much more like real life. Offense is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

[@tyr0n313]

Totally agree on Glass. I was so excited for it after Split. But the whole “secret group killing super beings” was so stupid.

[@glentor3]

As if people with fairly minor super powers are somehow an existential threat to humanity. None of them were like Superman, or the Hulk.

[@JGARCIA2012FULL]

I'm with you that those final scenes hurt the film, but up to that point it was going very well, on its way to another successful historical twist, but I think the financial limitations of the film, Shyamalan self-financed it, put extra pressure on him, and I think he wanted to put a extra on the story, but no one can accuse him of not giving up trying. On the other hand, the impact of knowing that not all of us have the same limitations or that deep traumas can cause the appearance of superpowers, well, I don't have to say the impact on our world, hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of people would do anything for that possibility, including companies and governments, without a doubt a total chaos, the reason for the existence of the mysterious organization would be fully justified.

[@reygonzalez6021]

I'm usually a chill guy but that ending made me want to punch my Glass door.

[@GrandHighGamer]

David's death was sort of telegraphed though. His whole "prophesized to die in water" angle. Unbreakable definitely didn't lay the groundwork for them to have happy endings. Though like with GoT the presentation matters as much as the idea.

[@diegola-bella9375]

The Dark Knight Rises: Bane goes from the smart no mercy phisically menacing enemy that led the league of shadows and broke Batman, to a friendzoned love struck sensitive body guard henchman of Talia Al Ghul that gets shot by Catwoman. Worse still, Talia did not love him back and their plan involved her seducing and even having sex with Batman in spite of Bane's feelings.

[@johntowah4752]

He had heart.

[@piyam5000]

I thought he was more protector/big brother style love than romantic, she was a small child when he met her

[@srilemobitelsrile8809]

Watch Pete Holmes Batman for explanation.

[@joemoe650]

@@srilemobitelsrile8809 the only true batman imo

[@Adam-kx2tp]

Having a villain that's just pure evil and then they kill him is not really Nolans style. Nolan is a noir guy buy heart. Look at every movie he makes. The good guy has a bad side and the bad guy has a good side. It's not for everyone. Some people just want to be distracted for 2 hours and not think too much.

[@JoeEnglandShow]

I really liked the idea that Rey didn't have "special" parents. That was a twist that genuinely subverted my expectations and impressed me. It left an impact. But then came that next movie....

[@tommym7321]

The Forgotten twist was actually good to me. When that first woman gets sucked into the sky out of nowhere I was shook. I don't think it wasn't really "alluded" to either because the whole point of the story is "what the hell is going on and how are we the only people that remember our children?". There doesn't always have to be foreshadowing to make a story or twist affective. I feel the same way about Remember Me. It's "offensive" because 9/11 came out of nowhere? That's ridiculous because it's also kind of the point of what happened on 9/11. It was a senseless and out of nowhere horrific act of violence.

[@ejay1118]

I remember reading the original novel. "Planet of the Apes." I remember it being two people in a "spacer skiff," reading the astronaut's report. The girl remarks to the boy that it sounds fantastic, and he agrees, before using his hands and prehensile feet to manipulate the skiff and get them out of there. But I don't remember any concept of time travel on the level the movie did.

[@edbouhl3100]

Neither do I. And I recall reading somewhere that the author of the book wished he’d thought of the movie’s ending himself.

[@davidstuckey9289]

True. If you can find the graphic novel of Serlings original screenplay, it follows the book much more closely; leaves out the two space travellers finding the diary or the return to Earth ( Which is more like Burton's but more subtle), but retains all the rest of the thread, and adds the Statue part.

[@zkeletonz001]

Burton's plot twist makes no sense at all because they went back in time so far that Pangea still existed. So somehow the evil ape general, and what he did, was still remembered millions of years after he died.

[@Akomarongg]

@@zkeletonz001 they never went back in time. they went forward twice

[@bellissimo4520]

@@Akomarongg In the movie, you clearly see on the HUD display that Mark Wahlbergs character first travels forward in time - and then backwards when he returns. Obviously this is also why the Earth looks like the 20th century world that he left when he lands there. So it is obviously meant to be the past again. Only now the past has changed; which is completely braindead and makes no sense whatsoever.

[@craigwood9520]

With 100+ years of cinema out there accusing The Forgotten of unoriginality while this channel keeps using the same movies for virtually every listical is kind of ironic.

[@13storeys]

You can't expect them to actually watch movies

[@francescagreetham1804]

I thought “Serenity’s about what now?” But i was thinking of the better one 😂 Jules you are a legend!

[@JustHereForCats]

The plot twist that changed my life is at the end of “Atonement”. I have not emotionally recovered from the first time I read the book

[@mcskrzypek]

Ian McEwan’s? I never heard of this book before you posted that comment and I would like to read it now, made a quick Google search, I would like to know if I found the one you mean so I can read it too.

[@JustHereForCats]

@@mcskrzypek YES!!!! Please read it. PLEASE

[@denisebacher5040]

Having watched the movie only once I cannot watch it again or read the book. I get so depressed just even thinking that none of the people from the beginning of the film, especially Cecilia and Robbie, gets a happy life. 😞

[@JustHereForCats]

@@denisebacher5040 it’s worth reading the book. The film did an amazing job translating the text to the silver screen, but it’s so much more than words on a page when you read it.

[@therealmikebrown]

I had forgotten about "The Forgotten"

[@dylanreid5645]

Knowing with Nicolas Cage, genuinely Interesting plot makes you intrigued about what direction it's going in... Oh no aliens

[@bentramer8201]

I’m sorry but Remember me is brilliant, the point was you wasn’t supposed to foreshadow like nobody did On the actual day of 9/11, this was the story of one life and how complex it was, cut short

[@andrewgonzalez8324]

Yesssss thank you! Beautiful movie

[@Julia-yq1xf]

thank you, I could not have said it better

[@kiki_101_]

Yeah I owned the DVD and the writers/directors were saying how it was to put into perspective that the victims of that attack were more than just “statistics”, and that those people had full life’s before the attack. It genuinely made it even more upsetting when I sat and really thought about the number of people who passed and the domino effect that it had.

[@arynhedrick1458]

Yo Remember Me was so incredibly jarring because no one was expecting it! And Into Darkness is the best of the new Trek movies. Or it could be my love of Breadstick Cucumberpatch

[@wakkasoblitzed7970]

I remember the DVD for Planet of the Apes came with a booklet explaining the ending of the movie. That’s how complicated the ending was for most viewers that the fucking DVD had to draw a big fancy picture for us to understand it lol

[@shawnparkspost]

I would like to read that booklet.

[@csairbrushartwork]

Doh!!! You don't need it explaining, the monkey did it

[@jbo4547]

There is something called "suspension of disbelief" for a reason.

[@toomanyaccounts]

its not that hard to actually figure out if one takes 60 seconds.

[@iansavage2382]

I thought it was explained in film.

[@cverdon0710]

Whats a synonym for Remember Me? Never Forget. Thats literally the saying for 9/11. Its in their title of the movie. Its not a bad twist if it actually makes the title of the movie mean something. They could've called it never forget, but thats too on the nose.

[@lman1006]

Bad twist worst movie 🤢🤢🤢

[@ireallydontknow8616]

I actually didn't mind the first now you see me but the second one the way they tried to tie Thaddeus and Rhodes was sucking bonkers!

[@tjp0623]

To be honest….what I hated the most about Glass was the fact David died being drowned in A PUDDLE BY FACELESS GOON #12!

[@glentor3]

It’s not like water was supposed to be like kryptonite for him. He just wasn’t invulnerable to drowning.

[@WakenerOne]

Planet of the Apes is explained in the DVD timeline. Going back to Earth involved going through the same time portal. But when you leave Ape world, you ho backwards, while when you leave Earth, you go forward. Each time, the travel distance is longer. So, at some point in the future, after Marky Mark left, Thade escapes captivity and goes to Earth, meaning he arrived earlier.

[@spodoinklehorse]

Wut

[@casinodelonge]

The actual real truth is that there was supposed to be a sequel , which didnt happen due to the negative reaction to the film. I actually think that the film really isnt that bad. Oh well.

[@WakenerOne]

@@casinodelonge That's true, but it doesn't make what I said any less actual, real, or true. That explanation was included with the DVD.

[@HailAnts]

Yeah, backwards one-way time travel. I remember reading that explanation not long after it came out. I give credit to Burton for an original idea, but it was simply too incomprehensibly convoluted to even guess at, based only on what the movie showed you..

[@WakenerOne]

@@spodoinklehorse Think of it this way: There is a time warp that exists at a certain point in space and time near Earth. Let's say that its location in time is June third, 2021, just to pick a date. That's when the warp is, perhaps when the event that caused it took place. But the warp is exploding through time, going both backwards and forwards in time. It's not destroying anything, but you can "fall into" it both before and after it takes place. If you fall into it on June second, 2021, it will spit you out into June fourth, 2021. But if you fall into it on June fourth, 2021, it will spit you out on June second, 2021. Let's say you fall in on January 10th, 2021. It's bigger, then, and it might spit you out sometime in October of 2021. If you fall in sometime in 2026, it spits you out into 2016. Get it? The further you are from the nexus of the event, the further you are deposited on the other side. Now, at some point close to the time warp's "home" date, civilization fell to the apes from CaLiMa. Leo goes through the warp from a time before the revolution to land on the fallen future Earth, the Planet of the Apes. When he tries a return trip, he falls through the warp again and ends up on Earth closer to his own time. But what he didn't count on was that at some point in the future of the Planet of Apes he left behind, Thade would escape, or be set free by apes loyal to him, or whatever, and somehow would arrange to try to follow him, possibly to stop him from doing something that would prevent their world from coming into being. But because they left from a point LATER in time than Leo did, they were spat out into a time EARLIER than Leo was. Instead of the fall of human-dominated Earth being near the time of the warp, it took place many many years before, and Leo arrives in a world already run by apes. Now, this is an oversimplification. There's nothing to say that there's a one-to-one correspondence (or even a constant one) between the distance in time separating [the departure date] and [the point in time which is the focus of the warp] and when you get spit out. All we know from the graphic they put in with the DVD is that entering in the past sends you to the future, and entering in the future sends you to the past, and the further you are from the warp, the further you go. They "officially" leave it as speculation that Thade enters the warp at some point in the future, since he obviously made it to the past. And by the way, though the ending of this version of the movie does play out more like the book did, there is no time travel in the book. That's a callback to Escape From the Planet of the Apes which then set up the whole changing history thing which informed the TV show and the cartoon. In the book, the Planet of the Apes is definitely NOT Earth, but hints are dropped that what happened on that world which enabled apes to supplant men COULD happen to us, as well. And when Astronaut Ulysse Merrou returns to Earth at the end of the book, he finds out that is exactly what has happened during his absence.

[@jamihanks6962]

I feel like this is a list of movies that what culture just doesn’t like... some of these weren’t bad.

[@backgroundtakeaway]

@Jam Drew "objectively"

[@billzyn8120]

Think you're right should be movies i didnt like the plot twist because i didn't understand it completely so I will try and rubbish it

[@timb4248]

@Jam Drew The story is the most important part of a movie. And since Shymalan's calling card is cool twists, having a really bad ending and weak story just makes the movie an epic fail in my book. They didn't even mention the awful scene of the side protagonists sitting in a train station looking at ipads smugly while the terrible plot twist is revealed to the in-universe world....ugh!

[@wtfismylife]

In the book, Robert Langdon parachutes out of the exploding helicopter using a tarp and miraculously lives... Which Angels and Demons ending was worse?

[@WindedLane]

He lives because it slows him down a little and because he lands in water. It's not like he drifted gently down to the ground.

[@BillBinder]

I'd posit that Planet of the Apes is absolutely a terrible twist, but not for the reasons stated. The Abe Lincoln statue actually follows the logic of the movie, but all of the information giving this logic is brushed aside or in the background. There's one thing to be said for hiding clues. There's another for making them completely fade into the background and never revisit them. Specifically, Time flowed backwards and at a different rate on our world, vs Apes. Marky Mark enters the rift moments after the ape, but arrives before it. Spending a few weeks(?) on the Apes planet, time has moved back a century on Earth for his return, which is why he arrives in the late 20th century. The ape that follows him, presumably followed a few weeks alter, and arrived in the 19th century. It's super-convoulted and never explained unless you've watched it several times. I'm not defending it. Just saying that "TECHINICALLY" it's explained.

[@brokenfoxx]

I wanted more from the group Ellie was part of. The worst of the twists I think was it went nowhere.

[@thebossthusiast1960]

"It was Earth! ALL ALONG!" Thank you for that, Jules.

[@dannyh5937]

The final Star Wars trilogy was such a joke. They couldn't do anything right.

[@CalHarding01]

I picked up "symbiologist" instead of symbologist, and "simulization" instead of simulation. Are WhatCulture trolling us, or is the writer dyslexic?

[@SmirkingRevenge]

Great vid. I always thought that the ending to that silly Burton remake of Planet of the Apes had Mark Wahlberg going further into the future, not entering some alternate past. Didn't like the ending either way, but I did like the idea that you can never go backward in time, only forward. Apparently I had it all wrong. lol

[@dhenderson1810]

I read that Stephen Hawking theorised that time travel is actually possible, but it would require moving at the speed of light, and if you could do this, you can only move one minute into the future. Meaning that you can move forward slightly, but not backwards "as history is already written".

[@emmanuelcaldeira]

Even in Interstellar this point is touched ... The characters explain there that time travel into the past is impossible, you can only do that to the future ... Old legends and myths hint at this ... A Chinese lore explains of a man that was traveling by foot into some nearby mountains and found a cave and entered ... There he found two dragons ... Playing chess ... He decided to remain there and watch the chess match between the dragons ... When it ended the man quietly returned to outside the cave and back to his town only to find that all was different, he didn't recognize any persons and vice versa ... His family and house had disappeared .... Some centuries have passed in the outside world while he was inside that cave ...

[@erichargrove2287]

I always saw it as he went into a wormhole that took him back in time, then at the end, he goes back to his era and history had changed. 🤷

[@matthunterman1]

The planet of the apes reboot ending is great for its symbolism. It looks insane and you get a sense of struggle while watching it

[@3m3a3x3]

i thought the movie "Horns" starring Daniel Radcliffe was a decently good small town drama about perception, demonization and how apparent narrative reality is dictated by the public opinion. the twist, that his best friend was the actual monster they thought he wad was a good enough twist. but then the titular horns turn out to not be a metaphor and he turns into an actual fucking devil ... WTF

[@GumtreeRoadResins]

I have to disagree about the forgotten. That movie was gripping!

[@RainWelsh]

The dramatic line delivery in the Star Trek one cracks me up whenever I think about it, because yeah, they’ve no idea who he is, he just sounds like he’s really proud of his name. “My name. Is. KHAN!” “... Neat.”

[@_XR40_]

Khan: “My name. Is. KHAN!” Kirk: "How nice for you..."

[@Juan-zl3fy]

Yeah, that was intended to the fan service, but I think it kinda works inside the movie. Khan is very intense, he says everything as if it's the most important thing ever

[@TaranTheGiant]

Well, In-Universe both Spock and Kirk had learned about Khan Noonien Singh in history class: he was, after all, a mass-murdering, genetically engineered superhuman who was a dictator. And a war criminal. Everyone knew Khan. There was just no... history between Khan and the Enterprise crew. His in-universe reveal was as if a young black dude would tell you he's Hitler.

[@Wonzling0815]

Khan: “My name. Is. KHAN!” Kirk: "KHAN't say that rings a bell...snicker"

[@rciotola100]

I remember really looking forward to The Forgotten. Had such a great premise, very compelling and interesting. And then....Aliens? Are you kidding me? So disappointing.

[@MissusMassacre]

I wasn't annoyed with the aliens thing in The Forgotten. I think it was because I was desperate to believe that her son didn't die, and I was happier having him abducted by aliens.... which is probably worse haha

[@vivekkparashar]

Plot twist , Jules is actually not bald at all

[@FatNorthernBigot]

That twist was well hidden.

[@GreenSupreme.223]

I’d unsubscribe

[@Alexvander10]

I actually liked the twist in "The Forgotten" with Julianne Moore and thought it was effective and interesting.

[@dij7878]

me too

[@daevydjae]

I still like Into Darkness the best out of the Kelvin timeline movies, but the one ridiculous part was Bones continuing to experiment with Khan's blood while the ship is being hammered. That should have happened well before the attack. No CMO is going to drop the triage of patients during a major battle to play with blood.

[@valmarsiglia]

"The Forgotten": I'm not saying it was aliens... but it was aliens.

[@nightangel972000]

Your missing a major piece of the plot in Angels & Demons. McGregor’s character hired a middle man to steal the bomb, kidnap the cardinals, and attempt to blow up the city. The plan was always for the priest to betray the middle man, save the Vatican, and be proclaimed a hero. The book version is, as always, better at explaining this.

[@reygonzalez6021]

Nah. I got it the first time I watched it at 12. Not so deep brah. Even the book sux.

[@orinleafwind]

I have to add The Knowing to this list... It was on track to become my favourite Nic Cage movie, and then the twist happened, so bad it ruined the entire film for me (and my wife)

[@TheElectricMayhem]

Really? I like that one. I don't think the twist elevated it, but I don't know how else they could have coherently explained the goings-on of the film. The jet crash was one of the craziest scenes that came out of nowhere.

[@simonfox1391]

So much of Now You See Me felt like first draft, such as the scene in the arena where the announcer says "Now welcome to the stage, the Four Horsemen!" and then one of them goes "Thank you! And for our final trick..."

[@LittleHouseofGeeky]

It's really such a bad movie. Nevermind they couldn't have even done believable magic tricks... the whole script was dumb as hell

[@franknbeanz147]

@@LittleHouseofGeeky I was shocked it got a sequel

[@thecountalucard666]

Hard disagree about *Glass* - I don’t feel like videos on KZbin of two relatively jacked guys fighting in a parking lot would necessarily convince the world of the existence of superpowers. It’d be pretty easy for Ellie’s organization to write it off as viral marketing for a low-budget movie.

[@PrincessOfPlunder]

SAME. Glass was top tier in every way. I disagree about the "underwhelming shock twist" status in this list.

[@PrincessOfPlunder]

@Elijah C Lochner Mmmm pretty sure he could be drowned in the puddle only because he was severely weakened from nearly drowning in that vat of water during his struggle with the Beast but 🤷‍♀️

[@decreeradio4826]

Thade survived, got the ship working, and took his army through the time rift to Earth. Someone needs to explain this to Tim Roth.

[@leviticuspagelus]

If I remember correctly in Now You See Me Rhodes wasn't a member of the Eye. He was pretending to when he finally revealed himself to the others. Bradley was a true member of the Eye as well as Rhodes father.

[@photoguy4212]

I always thought the ending of planet of the apes just meant the statues of Abe were merely replaced but not actually changed historically. Thade freed the slaves, sort of speaking.

[@davidbgreensmith]

Planet of the Apes. The original book explained the situation on the alien planet and back on Earth as the natural progression of humans domesticating and then being replaced by apes. The reason the return to Earth was greeted by apes was that time dilation meant sufficient time had passed that this had also happened on Earth. The Burton film misses that part out and therefore makes the whole ending nonsense.

[@derhusten]

You forget that they all fly through an anomaly in the movie. And this causes a journey through time. The chimpanzee flies in first, then Marky Mark and lastly the space station. On the planet of the apes, the station lands first (this is what creates the ape civilization) then marky mark and the last is the chimpanzee. As a result, if a ship takes off from the ape planet in the distant future and flies through the anomaly, it ends up in the past of the earth and influences history. I think it's a clever trick to get close to the end of the book.

[@davidbgreensmith]

@@derhusten I had assumed that the flight through the anomaly was taking them back to present day. Fair point.

[@lg330]

Nothing will beat primal fear. Edward Norton was so good I was shocked even when I knew it was coming

[@jonathannickoson5000]

The timeline didn't change, the timeline moved forward and this ape civilization became as prominent and established as human civilization.

[@steveking1037]

LoL, you're giving Glass too much credit acting like "one too many twists" was all that was wrong with it.

[@ashleybrooke2087]

Yet still wasn't The Happening so M. Night has set a low bar for himself to jump.

[@FixFilmsLtd]

I didn't mind Rey's history being revealed as it was. It was just done really sloppily, mainly down to the terrible lack of story development in the Last Jedi meant it had to all be crammed into the Rise of Skywalker.

[@zecle]

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE FORGOTTEN ? i liked this ending and the fact that stuff isn't explained makes it scary. and i'm also the 1000th comment. reward me !

[@xAdorNexasYT]

I love how the ending of Remember Me makes a Canadian angry

[@KasumiRINA]

It makes people outside of USA angry because 9/11 not a part of public conscience to the point it made us censor movies, and it tries to pull the "you are Murican now feel sad" string people outside of USA don't have.

[@xAdorNexasYT]

@@KasumiRINA what

[@rockingreject]

I mean there were some things going on in Remember Me that pointed to it being 2001. American Pie was playing in the theater they were at, etc.

[@SepakanSudut]

5:44 the most legendary lines in the cinema is "They fly now?" "They fly now"

[@DaDuhDupDude]

Tremors?

[@thatkidcgonzo]

@@DaDuhDupDude The Last Jedi...

[@EshaKarim]

Planet of the apes doesn’t belong in this list. In the movie the wormhole that mark wahlberg goes through is actually moving back in time in real time. Hence Mark’s monkey comes to the planet(which is past earth) in the end of the movie. Mark follows him, and goes back into further past, in the beginning of the movie. Mark’s entire mothership follows them last, but the wormhole accelerated in moving past (possibly due to the fact that two unstable objects have passed through it), so ship ends up around 800 years in the past, initiating humans to past earth. It’s a predestination paradox in work. Moreover, Mark messed up as he taught the apes diplomacy and peace. In original timeline, apes were supposed to become dumb and die out thanks to intrafighting. But Mark taught them to team up and eventually destroy humanity. Hence in the ending we see monkey George Washington. Planet of the Apes has better depth in story than all of the other Planet of the Apes combined if you go by just Sci-fi idea building. It really doesn’t deserve to be on this list.

[@irina1296]

I didn't have problems with The Forgotten's shock twist. It was decent. I'm surprised you didn't mention High Tension and The Village. This channel diss these movies as hard as possible. Anyway, I still love them

[@SergioHernandez-le8wp]

How was "The Forgotten" cliche? What other movie has "aliens pulling the strings" as a plot device? I still think it's one of the better scifi movies to come out in the last 20 years

[@dennis.muia.3549]

Did I hear Aperaham Lincoln? 12:07

[@dianalopezrivera2722]

I think that in Now you see me they tried to show that "the eye" was trying to make Dylan "worth"? If you remember, in the 2nd one Dylan hasn't shown the eye to the horsemen, that's why I believe he was not part of the eye completely until he understands the consequences of revenge...

[@krismack4222]

remember me was a tacky way of cashing in on a tragedy. it was a dumb movie and they tried to get shock value that just made it even worse.

[@andrewgonzalez8324]

I'm sry you see it that way because its really a beautiful movie

[@franknbeanz147]

I remember being so excited for Spectre, then being pissed off and annoyed with that movie, had such high hopes with it following right after Skyfall

[@ramcharger9449]

Kahn’s name would actually still have a strong meaning even in the alternate timeline because of the eugenics war and the empire he ruled during said war. People that arnt into star trek or watch the old ones or tv shows probably wouldnt know that tho

[@jasons5916]

In the original Star Trek episode with Khan, they didn't know who he was until Spock looks him up. And Khan was much more subtle about who he was because it is smart to keep that kind of information secret from the people whose ship you want to take over.

[@varanasiwalks1451]

He ruled a quarter of the planet until a history-shattering nuclear third world war! He was a big deal! It should be like saying "my name is ...Napoleon" in the 21st century, or "Hitler" in the 22nd.

[@jasons5916]

@@varanasiwalks1451 Yes, well I guess Kirk and Bones don't know their history (in either timeline) and Spock isn't from Earth, so you can't expect him to know that information. The woman Khan seduced knew about him, but she wasn't there in the movie.

[@varanasiwalks1451]

@@jasons5916 i know, right? Humans know all about Klingon opera, but nothing about a world conqueror who forever changed the direction of human destiny.

[@crowtrobot17]

Brian DePalma's Body Double is a movie that comes immediately to mind when discussing twists that ruin movies.

[@MultiPolarWorldCo-op]

Flip side... best twist end ever goes to Sleepaway Camp. FTW.

[@mechengr1731]

For real...and then they fell into the sequel trap

[@killertree7958]

Into Darkness...yeah it worked. When he admitted to being Kahn...everyone in my theater cheered. So it worked fine for most.

[@Shiirow]

everyone cheered because they knew he was and the cheer was "we fucking called it~!" not that the twist was worth a damn.

[@EverettVinzant]

“The reason the ending of sixth sense is so mind blowing...” I see what you did there!

[@Dreadjaws]

"It was Blofeld the entire time!" Nice of you to bring Bane from TDKR to read this line.

[@glentor3]

And he didn’t even get a cool song at the reveal. Like Agatha Harkness got in Wanda/Vision

[@SukunaAvi]

Yes yes.. just how did the Apes use space and intelligence to travel back in time... they were just talking apes that got introduced to space travel. Definitely not plausible mmhmm.

[@allexia0595]

Another great video, I legit have no idea how you keep coming up with such great topics.

[@nathanslay6342]

TDKR had a surprisingly underwhelming twist! We all thought it was going to be an exciting and satisfying movie but, in a shocking twist, it wasn’t.

[@paulelroy6650]

What twist there wasn't one

[@Galloglaoch]

@@paulelroy6650 Tallia Al Ghul?

[@trentlomelino]

Remember Me, is what I've always wanted in more films. Not executed well maybe, but Ive always thought just the randomness of life should be more prevalent.

[@Wonzling0815]

Definitely. And the twist ending should come, like, two minutes into the movie, just for sheer randomness!

[@DanteYewToob]

I'm still upset about how the new Star Wars trilogy had a chance to do something cool and new and didn't. I had a really cool idea that could only work in something like Star Wars.. maybe I'll write it just to get it out. Basically I thought it would be cook if Rey and Kylo swap places over the course of the films. Kylo was born into the big famous family, and turned dark against his will. Rey is a nobody who wants desperately to be important and be someone. Kylo starts coming back to the light as Rey falls to the temptation of the dark side. One starts bad and ends good, the other does the opposite. I'd keep the dyad and stuff because that's cool and tragic to have a pair who never meet on the same page... two ships passing in opposite directions. I don't hate the movies, I'm just disappointed. So many cool ideas out there and they chose none of them. It sucks.

[@MrRyukami]

You have to thank all the pseudo fans that complained about episode 8 for that. Colin Trevorrow had amazing ideas that continued what last jedi set up ...but no ,the blacklash made disney throw that script awa and hire jar jar abrahams again

[@zanierrules]

​@@MrRyukami There was nothing redeeming about The Last Jedi, which was followed up by an equally bad Rise of Skywalker. I'm not sure that sticking to the ideas put forth in last jedi would've yielded an amazing episode 9... it'd be better probably but it wouldn't have elevated 8 which had nuked the franchise.

[@ohno5559]

What a shame that the ironclad logic of Now You See Me was shattered by this one, solitary mistake

[@bryanb.386]

It's like storytelling has become so poor that they are just saying, twists make things cool. It worked so well in the Usual Suspects. Meanwhile they ignore the fact that the Usual Suspects is well written and acted.

[@2340Vegas]

The plot of The Forgotten was so intriguing that the failure to come up with an overwhelming ending can almost be forgotten.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

I always get it confused with the one with Jodie Foster on a plane. Flightplan? I think that one had a better twist ending, though.

[@TheTrollMastah]

Disney straight up fucked Starwars. Straight up Killed everything we loved about the OT. The only saving Grace is the Mandalorian.

[@terrainegrace17]

6:57 fun fact, the actress was ACTUALLY drowning in this scene and her panic was real. The chains got stuck in the vent and everyone let it go on because they thought she was just phenomenal at acting. It wasn’t until the stunt director or a stunt man thought it was dragging for too long and decided to speak up.

[@andrewgonzalez8324]

"Remember Me" is one of my top 5 movies its sooo good. Its has real all round relationships between the characters with great acting. And that argument scene between Tyler and his father in the business meeting! Beautiful story.

[@NoLimitsDrama]

My mother and I both were absolutely shocked at the revelation of Benedict Cumberbatch playing Kohn. She grew up a fan of the original Star Trek, and I am just a general sci-fi fan. Neither of us consume much in the way of pre-media for films that we are going to watch. I understand how the makers of this video would be exposed to all the rumors prior to a big film release such as Star Trek, but for individuals like my mother and myself, the kahn reveal was a huge impact and very well received.

[@itsjustmaddisen]

Lol really? Neither my mum nor I paid attention to stuff like that and connected the dots pretty early on. We were hoping it wasn’t what we thought but yup. It was. We’re also pretty big fans of Star Trek and Star Trek Next Generation and other sci-fi movies.

[@paulaunger3061]

Angels & Demons: Euan McGregor's character planted the bomb so he could be the hero who finds it and/or destroys it, thus being elected to the papacy through 'election by adoration' (everyone cheering his name as the hero who saves them from obliteration). It's better explained in the book, but it's pretty much all there in the film.

[@MrBrranch]

I havent seen the movie in a decade and I still remember that clearly being the point. I agree with the other 9 on this list but I dont see how Angels and Demons was a bad twist

[@SacredDaturaa]

Wow is that really how Serenity ends?? I remember nodding off somewhere in the middle and just never finishing it. Wild.

[@AnnerzDrum]

I think that they are wrong about Remember me. The point of the ending was to show how much one person can affect or mean so much to so many. No to mention yo honor the fact that 9/11 affected so many and lost so many. IMHO

[@AaronIsntQualified]

Totally agree! Plus there are so many clues sprinkled throughout that it is 2001 and terrorism is mentioned earlier in the film before the reveal.

[@wakkasoblitzed7970]

I agree as Remember Me’s ending actually hits hard as it only shows the potential of the grief one family has to deal with after that tragedy. After you see the movie it hits even harder when you realize that grief is multiplied by 3,000 plus for all the lives lost

[@HailAnts]

Yeah, but as many people reportedly yelled out during the reveal, it was, “Too soon!”..

[@WinchesterxNL]

@@HailAnts It'll always be too soon, whenever a real life tragedy is involved. Like the cinema shooting at The Dark Knight, prompting a LOT of people to take extra safety precautions during the Joker movie. Even getting protests because of what happened to a movie involving the Joker before. It wad "too soon" as well.

[@dernvader6876]

‘Boxing Helena’ had the worst cliché of all “it was all just a dream...” - ugh, kill me...