10 Star Wars "Plot-Holes" That Really Aren't

[@ValentinaTepedino]

But it was implied. Leia says “they let us go”, and they did, put a homing beacon on the Falcon that led them to find the rebel base in Yavin.

[@grantt1589]

The stormtroopers where actually so inaccurate because they where not shooting to kill on the death star. They did such a good job at hiding it most of the Fandom still thinks they are incompetent

[@HerbertAckermans]

@@grantt1589 The opening scene of A New Hope has been analysed and it shows that Stormtroopers are in fact, extreme well skilled marksmen. Their hit ratio in the boarding of the Tantive IV is far, far superior than anything humans have shown capable of. Their lack of aim is the myth. Even Obi-Wan testifies to this when they find the sandcrawler, stating that the hits are too precise to be from Sandpeople.

[@emogamer96]

Beat me to it. There is further evidence to this, Battle of Hoth (Won by the Empire with heavy casualties to the Rebellion.) And Leia got shot on Endor.

[@runlarryrun77]

@@HerbertAckermans "These blast points, far too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise."

[@runlarryrun77]

@@emogamer96 Plenty of Ewoks got wasted too, they definitely weren't aiming off during that battle.

[@TheAbstruseOne]

An easier explanation for why the technology looks more advanced in the prequel trilogy: The OT takes place on shithole planets. Tatooine, Yavin, Hoth, and Endor aren't exactly the hub of the galaxy. In fact, it's the point of each of them - Tatooine is a remote location heavily involved in smuggling which is why Leia was headed there with the plans, Yavin is a temporary base set up in ancient ruins and Hoth is a world that is barely able to support life which make them great locations for a secret rebel base trying to hide, and Endor is the secret construction grounds of the second Death Star so of course it's out in the middle of nowhere. Meanwhile, in the prequels, we see some of the most densely-populated, well-traveled, and affluent planets in the galaxy. Coruscant (where most of that footage comes from) is the capital of the Republic, Kamino is a high-tech cloning facility, Naboo whole provincial was still an important enough trading hub that the Trade Federation's blockade was important enough to send a Jedi Master and his apprentice to negotiate. If you compare New York City, Tokyo, and Venice to a town that has a population that barely breaks triple digits in Alabama, a truck stop fueling station in the middle of the Australian Outback, an Antarctic research post, and a farming village in Kenya...yeah, those first ones are going to look like technological marvels compared to the latter ones.

[@Lernos1]

Yes, but it's also talking about stuff like cutting edge technology like Star Destroyers and Death Stars. You can't get away from the fact that Death Star is operated by many humans who push literal physical buttons on consoles. So it does look outdated compare to the prequels, and the only explanation for this is, indeed, that it only *looks* outdated. Maybe the Emperor liked that style more too, idk.

[@ya33a]

If you look at the current crop of 'New' luxury cars, many have 'buttons' to push, along with the touch screens, the reason being you can 'intuitively' switch something off and on and it is more robust, a screen can glutch, need rebooting or fail, how would that work out, trying to get a tech to replace a screen switch as you need to power up a stage of your planet destroying energy beam, instead of pushing a button and opening a slide swich, which in effect could be bypassed or swapped out in seconds if needed, due to battle damage/malfunction.... Worth considering.

[@alanmacdonald1457]

i just finished making a similar point and saw yours, i would only add also that the republic has been destroyed so that would result in many places devolving

[@steverempel8584]

The Empire having a more industrial feel than the Republic, and the planets being backwaters make perfect sense. That's what I always thought while watching the movies. In the prequels, Tatooine didn't have that advanced technology anywhere, neither did Jakku in the sequels. The low tech original series plothole only really exists for Bespin in my mind, but it isn't a big deal.

[@mattd6931]

@@ya33a Not to mention that even today, Military hardware is designed around being simple to use under stress (ie. combat). Ergo - it often relies on big, easily pressed buttons etc (usable while also wearing gloves), and is usually very utilitarian in design when compared to much more flashy flashy civilian tech.

[@damandelorean]

3:23 Yes, it was. Tarkin: "Are they away?" Vader: "They've just made a jump into hyperspace." Tarkin: "...and you're sure the homing beacon is secure onboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."

[@miketaterparker]

Before that when the falcon is captured by the death Star, Vader says to Tarkin that the crew were probably trying to return the stolen plans to Leia. He then adds that she may yet be of some use to them, possibly the genesis of the homing device plan.

[@brianstrutter1501]

This

[@cedmo8]

Also as someone who has recently taken up the hobby of airsoft, I can say from experience shooting from the hip is only significantly detrimental if you CAN'T see and trace your shots, not an issue for slow-moving, bright red light.

[@psoma_brufd]

Furthermore we see *two* earlier cases of precision shots only capable of being made by good shots. Obi-Wan's comments to Luke about the Sandcrawler and literally the first scene of the film! Despite the rebels having a somewhat covered position and guns trained on the entry with only one or two stormtroopers able to enter at a time, they annhilate the rebels, taking a mere two casualties compared to all the rebels! The real explanation of why they can't aim at main characters is the Force which makes sense because 99% of the time there is a freaking force user there! (For the record I count Han among that number.)

[@MrZackavelli]

@@cedmo8 You're comparing airsoft pellets with blaster bolts?

[@ParaNoid816]

I also have to point out that the Ewoks have an incredibly violent culture. Including ritual sacrifice, cannibalism, and extensive practice with guerrilla warfare. Definitely not just little teddies.

[@GhostBear3067]

@Topi Oksanen true we never see it but it would not surprise me at all if different Ewok tribes waged war on one another and victors ate the losers like some Amazon peoples and the Maori.

[@annoyedbipolar7424]

in our first encounters with them, they literally capture and/or attempt to eat three of the main characters. That's just what we saw in the movie. That's why I support sustainable Ewok hunting; Humanity First.

[@chinchinlovs6563]

Just play battlefront 2 to understand their savagery

[@dammitdan83]

@Topi Oksanen that’s not playing devil’s advocate… that’s just being a pedant.

[@rangerleaf1505]

Also stormtrooper armor really is not super protective

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Keeping a similar name also has another reason: Humans make mistakes, and one of the most common for someone in hiding would be to react to your old name being spoken. By making your new name sound similar to your old name, it becomes a lot easier to play off these mistakes as nothing more then mishearing. As the first part of the original name also sounding like a set of initials, O.B. , the new name having those same initials also takes on an additional level of misdirection here. If Old Ben accidently responds to the short name of Obi, he has multiple ways to claim this as nothing more then an old man with bad hearing.

[@camwyn256]

This is a brilliant point. I love it

[@theexchipmunk]

Its also a good version of hiding in plain sight. Who the hell would expect the smart clone wars general hiding on Tatooine of all places under basically nearly the same name? Nah, just a coincidence.

[@edf7135]

But how often would the name kebobi come up on Tatooine ?

[@marktheaverageperson7022]

@@edf7135 if someone is discussing the clone wars or the jedi?

[@zak2153]

Another point to that is that if his last name is very common then it's even safer to keep using it, a point that was addressed in one of the books that follow his time on tattooine. If the name kenobi is super common no one will look twice at it beyond maybe being like "hey he has the same name as that one general" assuming they even know about him. it's a large galaxy and, though he may be well known in military and political circles, the average person probably couldn't even tell you who their planet's senator is much less some general.

[@quietman71]

Regarding Ben using his real surname… well, it’s possible that in some places, Kenobi is as common a name as, say, Smith or Jones. So, if you’re looking for Obi-Wan Jones and hear the name Ben Jones, you wouldn’t even give it a second thought. As for parsecs being a distance, not a measure of time, I’m still disappointed that the filmmakers never went with the obvious: Han was trying to BS Luke and Ben, and as we saw when he tried to talk his way out of trouble on the Death Star, he’s not good at creative BS. Hence Luke and Ben’s “Really? Really?” look. Ben has already been talking with Chewie, and one can assume Chewie told Ben, “Look, my guy is terrible liar… but he’s a fantastic pilot.”

[@nicholashodges201]

Lucas took it from a type of distance auto race. I forget what it's called, but you win the race by shaving travel distance, not speed. As in it doesn't matter who's first, it matters who has the lowest mileage. We don't really do that anymore in the west (it was a thing when Lucas was a hotrodder), but it was still a thing in Japanese circle at least to the 90's. Idk about now, though

[@ЯАга-я4л]

Or they could go along with it, making that a long time ago in a galaxy far far away parsec was a measure of time. Or make up something like "In spacer's slang word Parsec is a short for Parsec-Hour, a standart cosmic onboard time measure that equals time that takes a ship 1000 tons of mass going on 1х lightspeed to cover distance equal 1 parsec".

[@talltroll7092]

One of the EU books provides a plausible explanation. Kessel is situated in an area of space with lots of black holes and other nasty navigational hazards, and the "safe route" involves taking a lot of non-optimal jumps with only marginally insane safety margins. A superior pilot, with faith in his ability to plot hyperspace jumps precisely, and confidence in his vessel to pull them off can take a much shorter route... but if you screw up even once doing that, you're gonna end up smacking into a neutron star or black hole or whatever. If you are successful though, you get out with a hold full of glitterstim much more quickly, and emerge into an area not so prone to Imperial patrols, so you can get paid much more quickly and safely. *If* you are successful.

[@Geekezf]

Or just give them a random "alien-like" name, like "Paarr sechs" and make it a time mesurement. I mean, it's in another galaxy, it's not far fetched. I'm even surprised they(not only Disney, but everyone) didn't think of something that dumb and yet so obvious to explain it.

[@cnault3244]

When Han utters that line, the expression on Ben's face suggests he knows it's BS. The Kessel Run mistake in Episode 4 can also be explained if you extrapolate from the dialogue in episode 5 The Empire Strikes Back (TESB). I'll explain. 1) "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs." DOES sound like a mistake ( like saying I can run the hundred yard dash so fast I can do it in 75 yards) 2) in TESB the Falcon's hyperdrive isn't working so they are in the Hoth system hiding in an asteroid field and look for someplace to get the hyperdrive repaired 3) without the hyperdrive they are able to get to another star system ( Cloud City at Bespin) 4) how were they able to get to another start system without a working hyperdrive? Here's where the extrapolation comes in. Starships in the Star Wars universe have faster than light propulsion (FTL) as well as a hyperdrive ( think of the hyperdrive as a device that actually warps space relative to the starship). When a starship engages the hyperdrive, they are able ( while using the regular FTL propulsion) to warp space around them, decreasing the actual distance they must travel using the FTL drive. Han's comment in episode 4 was telling them that the hyperdive on the Falcon was able to reduce the travel distance to less than 12 parsecs... implying that it's hyperdive was far stronger than standard ones. So without a working hyperdrive, the Bespin system was still close enough to the Hoth system that travel there using only the FTL drive was practical.

[@seantape6628]

One of the things glossed over(the tv movies & cartoon touch on this) is the fact that Endor is as much a layered ecological death trap as Kashyyyk. Ewoks evolved and live in an environment FILLED with dangerous predators, some easily as large as dinosaurs(or krayt dragons and rancors if you want to stay "in-universe" for the analogy.) The traps that took out the ATSTs and stormtroopers WEREN'T ORIGINALLY DESIGNED with them in mind; they were created to combat the Ewoks' NATURAL PREDATORS!

[@hokutoulrik7345]

So basically Endor is a Death world. Neat.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Still stupid. It would've made much for sense for it to be wookies, as was originally planned.

[@m.c.martin]

The Forrest Moon of Endor* 😂

[@verindictus3639]

Too bad they couldn't include a little more about this in the movies, as this is the first I've heard of that.

[@emperorkane317]

@@GeraltofRivia22 Ewoks are literally just small Wookiees.

[@jamesstaggs4160]

"They let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape". Words spoken by Leia after they escaped from the Death Star. "I'm taking an awful risk Vader. This had better work." Words spoken by Tarkin after the Falcon got away from the Death Star. It's possible that they're just talking about escaping the TIE fighters, but they would have still had to place a tracker aboard the Falcon before they got back to it and took off. So I'd say there is dialog to support the stormtroopers missing on purpose.

[@deathsheir2035]

those two lines, for me, proves 100% an order was given to "if you see them, let them escape, but don't make it look like you're letting them escape." Stormtroopers knowing how deadly their aim is, therefore took the order as "fire from the hip," which therefore decreased their accuracy considerably, while allowing them to make it look as if they are indeed trying to stop them. When you're being fired upon, one tends to not look at how the opposition is firing.

[@DoodMcAwesome]

Yep it seems clearly implied in the movie. Plus the explanation given in this video oddly enough creates its own plot hole of sorts. If the explanation really is, “well they can’t see well in their helmets,” then why would the helmets be designed so poorly for the main troopers of the empire? I think it’s putting too much emphasis on that Luke line. Of course he wouldn’t be able to see well in it. He’s not used to using the helmet. Plus I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a bit of a “throw it in” improv line from Hamill, since it’s likely in real life the actual helmets are hard to see out of (like how most Batman costumes won’t let the actor turn their head, leading to that great line about his new suit in The Dark Knight). However, in-universe, the helmets are still functional and doubtfully a just general hinderance to literally every stormtrooper.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@DoodMcAwesome Also the helmet Luke was complaining about wasn't _his_ helmet, he stole it from an actual Stormtrooper. To that end, the helmet would have been modified or tailored to the Stormtrooper's physical dimensions and capabilities, not Luke's. There's also the possibility that there's tech inside the helmet like a holographic HUD (similar to Iron Man's) that would help enhance the Stormtrooper's vision; if Luke didn't know how to use it or even turn it on and was relying solely on optics, then his vision in the helmet would have been severely limited.

[@franciscorodriguez7632]

I think they left a tracker on the Falcon to find the Rebel base on Yavin, unless the Empire already knew where it was.

[@DoodMcAwesome]

@@franciscorodriguez7632 yeah and it’s been awhile since I watched it but I’m pretty sure that was implied. That’s how I always took it. That they tracked where the Falcon went

[@StainelessSteelOG]

Actually yes, the stormtroopers did let them escape. Leia says “they let us go” sense they were tracking the ship. So they let them escape so they could figure out where the rebel base was at.

[@TokyoXtreme]

“She might still be of some use to us.” - Lord Voldemort, The Two Towers

[@melnik_edits]

its also dumb what he said with the helmet is hard to see through, and they shoot from the hip, that all dumb, the helmet provides Night vision and thermal vision, best you can have, and blasters have no recoil, i already shot with night vision and IR laser, you can shoot from the hip and hit... stormtrooper blasters are linked with the helmet, so they can shoot like a laser sight is mounted...

[@Cheesusful]

@@melnik_edits my interpretation was luke didn't know how to turn on the helmets optics

[@stoopidapples1596]

They were let go, but the stormtroopers weren’t just trying to miss them. Vader likely restricted reinforcements from coming, but the stormtroopers close by still joined on the commotion and attacked them regardless.

[@av.punk.801]

@@melnik_edits it's shown in Rebels, Rex, ONE OF THE MOST SKILLED MARKSMAN OF THE OLD 501ST, is unable to hit shots, quips about the helmet being shit, then takes it off and nails every shot

[@MauricioJara]

Additionaly to Number 6, lets remember that in the Prequels, the small ships like the Jedi starfighters require a hyperdrive ring in order to go into hyperdrive, but in the Original Trilogy, small ships like X-Wings can go into hyperdrive without a hyperdrive ring.

[@VikingTeddy]

Jedi star fighters are much smaller than X-wings. Adding a hyperdrive to it would be at the cost of mobility. Same thing for Tie-fighters. Additionally, the Jedi starfighters were designed to be as light as possible, without components a normal human would need.

[@battlesheep2552]

@@VikingTeddy yeah, Jedi Starfighters are basically just a cockpit with engines and blasters bolted on, they're suprisingly tiny

[@pretzelbomb6105]

And yet after the fall of the Empire a rinky dink garage in the Outer Rim is maintaining a hyperdrive in an N1, a high-end starfighter smaller than an A-wing which did originally come with a hyperdrive but would still require highly specialized custom parts to work.

[@deathsheir2035]

@@VikingTeddy A-Wings are about the same size as the Delta-7 and ETA-2 (Delta-7 Shown in Attack of the Clones, ETA-2 Revenge of the Sith). A-wings have Hyperdrive installed, and are shielded, unlike the Delta-7 and ETA-2., neither of which have Shields or a Hyperdrive installed. So the A-wings are proof of technological advancement in either shielding, Hyperdrive, or engines, or all 3 at once.

[@VikingTeddy]

@@deathsheir2035 Jedi starfighters could fit a hyperdrive yes. But they are purposefully built as stripped down as possible. The hyperdrive ring is itself very small, it doesn't mean anything.

[@maximillion322]

On the subject of “technology going backwards” The original trilogy takes place on a distant desert planet, a distant tundra planet, a deserted swamp planet, a jungle inhabited primarily by low tech ewoks, and a handful of obscure outposts. Meanwhile the prequel trilogy takes place on some of the richest planets in the galaxy, and told not from the perspective of scrappy rebels but from the elite law enforcers of the republic. OF COURSE the prequel technology is more advanced. Richer, more developed areas are going to have better technology than distant outposts.

[@ZGtx]

Also technology can very well regress to a lesser state. A lot of Roman technology was lost after it fell.

[@anonymous36247]

Also there was a GALACTIC CIVIL WAR. If you lived in Georgia in the 1850s and you visited again in the 1860s, you'd be like "Where did all the train technology go? They used to have trains and now they don't. This is so unrealistic!" Come on. Factories got blown up and companies went under as the Empire came to power. The government was repressive and denied the existence of some religions. Is it so implausible that some technology would be lost or eliminated for the sake of control? Heck, it's pretty much been canon since the 1st movie that there used to be cloning technology and now there's not, or at least we don't see any. War is destructive. That's the point.

[@MrTWICETHEPRESHA]

That’s a nice argument and all but doesn’t explain the Death Star and Star Destroyers. They were the cutting edge of Empire technology and clearly look like archaic and clunky interpretations of what is advanced. Yes you can argue that some features like the death ray are obviously more advanced but you’re glossing over the elephant in the room. The reality is that the original trilogy was from a time when people’s vision of what space technology looked like was completely different to now in the 21st Century. Throw in the limitations of film production in the 70/80s and you have your real-world answers. Not everything has to be explained in a lore-friendly way.

[@maximillion322]

@@MrTWICETHEPRESHA What you're saying is "if the empire's technology is so advanced, why does it have a different aesthetic sense?" The Death Star and Star Destroyers are WAY more advanced than what they had in the prequels. They just have a more retro aesthetic. And just because there's an out of universe reason doesn't mean there can't also be a lore reason.

[@CojaGamez]

@@MrTWICETHEPRESHA What? The imperial army is far more technologically advanced than the Republic army was

[@inarar5334]

I liked how the Revenge of the Sith novelization addressed the question of how the Jedi missed Palpatine. They basically knew the Sith Lord was part of his circle, but had dismissed Palpatine himself because they figured he already "ruled the galaxy." They forgot there was also a tiny little grudge against them, that whole hubris thing again.

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

Total hubris. Like the Fall of the Roman Empire or something.

[@battlesheep2552]

Still pretty dumb, if there was a Sith in the Senate wouldn't it be the guy collecting emergency powers like they're Pokemon?

[@mackenziehunter4593]

@@battlesheep2552 Unless the Sith was using the guy as a puppet. Ruling from behind the scenes and all that.

[@TheKyrix82]

@@battlesheep2552 A smart Sith wouldn't. And Plagueus original planned called for Palpatine to rule the Republic, while he commanded Palpatine behind the scenes. It's just that, after being elected, Palpatine decided to cut his Master out of the equation

[@sirsheep8011]

@@mackenziehunter4593 Darth Jar Jar! :O

[@mikicoal]

The parsec one was actually solved back in 1977 when it first came out. He was just saying something that sounded cool to impress what he assumed was a stupid kid and a space hobo, to try and upsell the transport. It's in the screenplay that Ben reacts to Han's obvious misinformation, and we see that onscreen.

[@icecold9511]

It was accidentally a correct statement

[@dercooney]

@@icecold9511 nah, it was just scamming

[@knightwolfpro4494]

People really do try to over explain simple things, just go with the simple explanation and be done. We don't really need the parsec explained, like you said, Han misspoke trying to sound impressive. Simple explanation that makes sense for a scoundrel.

[@honorableintent]

Yeah, too many other people made assumptions that it was wrong, and then a bunch of expanded content was made to try to make him retroactively correct, even though the point was that he was bullshitting.

[@iapetusmccool]

The problem is, obiwan reacts sceptically, like if someone claimed to have run a marathon in under an hour. Whereas what Han said is more like claiming to have run a marathon in under 10 miles.

[@jhmed9]

"these blast points... too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise" "they let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape" I like the explanation about not being able to see anything in the helmet but I think these quotes above lends more credence to the theory that they let them go, as opposed to visual impairment.

[@TokyoXtreme]

It’s not even a “theory”, it’s an actual plot point that’s shown in action and dialogue within the film. Vader tells Tarkin “she may still be of some use to us,” to which Tarkin replies “what do you have in mind?” before the scene cuts.

[@travissmith2848]

@@TokyoXtreme I'd say that the theory/plot-point holds best _after_ they knew what was going on. Still a *lot* of missed shots happened before anything was known to be happening and the order disseminated. Ultimately, having plot armor when your survival is critical to the story moving forward is a very good thing.

[@TokyoXtreme]

@@travissmith2848 Vader’s conversation with Tarkin occurs after the initial disturbance in the detention block, and before stormtroopers arrive. Those troopers were instructed not to kill the rebels. The officers in the detention area … RIP.

[@melkhiordarkfell4354]

Also just plot armour, the main characters aren't going to die a halfway into the first movie to a random trooper. Rebels soldiers at the start were very quickly beaten by Stormtrooper accuracy.

[@redstoneparadox]

Also, the Stormtroopers would have had years of training with the limited visibility of their helmets.

[@Mr.E723]

Luke piloting an X-wing in the attack on the Death Star makes perfect sense, even from a real world point of view. During the Battle of Britain, British rookie British pilots were sent into combat with only a few weeks of training in many cases, because they had no other choice. In Star Wars, the rebels are seconds away from annihilation, so to have an already trained pilot just show up, of course your gonna use him, especially if he has a friend who can vouch for him. (Fun fact. There is a documentary available right here on KZbin on the Battle of Britain that dives into how these aforementioned pilots trained hosted by none other the Ewan McGregor, I highly recommend it)

[@Revkor]

and even not including the deleted scene. Luke mention's bullseying womprats in his T-16 and given our world designations not hard to see them built by the same company. and in addition he had time to study the layout of the craft. also the force

[@fyreblazters]

I'd say that piloting ships in Star wars is just like knowing how to Drive in real life. Also the X-wing is known for having a simple control scheme that could be easily learnt by anyone; and this, the T-16 and X-wing share the same manufacturer and control scheme

[@think4181]

I also remember a book that said he trained in a simulator, getting the highest score in just the few hours he had in it. Though that book has probably been de-canonized.

[@kazegakun]

@@think4181 You might be thinking about the novelization of A New Hope that also got adapted into an audio drama/audio book. There's a bunch of stuff in it that's probably legends canon nowadays, sadly.

[@Keiranhalycon]

Also the X-Wing is manufactured by Incom, the same as his T-16 Skyhopper at home. The controls would probably be similar and would be easy for Luke to adapt to using

[@screenname8267]

"No order to miss them was ever seen to be given, nor implied by any line of dialogue" ...the Empire put a tracker on the Falcon (we did not see it done, nor hear the order given), and there was a scene between Vader and Tarkin stating that letting them escape was -and I quote Tarkin, "an awful risk", meaning the team getting out of the hangar was intended. There is a follow-on section where Leia states that the Empire was likely tracking the ship because the Death Star had the resources to make sure they could escape, but sent only a few squads of stormtroopers and a half squad of TIEs. This same thing concerning stormtrooper aim holds true in Empire -with the stormtroopers constantly missing Luke because they were trying to drive him/lead him to Vader -who wanted Luke alive. In fact, there was a youtube vid done showing that stormtroopers actually had fairly decent aim (better than most armed forces today), by breaking down the "shots seen fired to hits on enemy" in the Tantive IV boarding scene in A New Hope. Also, the "Solo" film wasn't what "rectified" the "parsec" issue. This was explained much earlier on in SW lore. The film "Solo" is just what finally made people that didn't read the books or listen to "the nerds try to twist logic" accept the explanation -as well as cannonizing it in the Disney-verse... though as with many things that were used to make the Disney-verse, it was done in a manner that traded substance for flash.

[@screenname8267]

Just gonna show what my edits to the above are: This same thing concerning stormtrooper aim holds true in Empire -with the stormtroopers constantly missing Luke because they were trying to drive him/lead him to Vader -who wanted Luke alive. In fact, there was a youtube vid done showing that stormtroopers actually had fairly decent aim (better than most armed forces today), by breaking down the "shots seen fired to hits on enemy" in the Tantive IV boarding scene in A New Hope.

[@justarandomtechpriest1578]

That youtube video has several problems Firstly The 101st are an elite unit so comparing them to a normal soldier isnt a fair comparison Secondly it was a narrow hallway that they where firing down making it easy to anticipate where an enemy will be and/or get a lucky hit Thirdly they where with a force user and we know the force can affect blaster bolts so that could have had an impact Fourth we know stormtroopers likely have an hud to assist with aiming

[@screenname8267]

@@justarandomtechpriest1578 I'll give you the '01st being elites, however your other points are present in the other areas under debate: The Death Star and Cloud City were both composed of hallways and corridors. A Force user was present at both battles. The "aiming HUD" would have been present for all stormtroopers at all fights. And there are two (technically three)counter-problems to the arguments: 1) The Rebel forces on the Tantive IV (which are touted as having better aim), had a worse shot to kill ratio than the stormtroopers -despite having even better conditions (stormtroopers coming through a narrow access hatch, the rebels having taken defensive positions while the troopers had to advance through the open hallway) 2) A Force user could deliberately sabotage the aim or capabilities of troops just as well as aid them 3) We know that Cloud City was a trap. Vader told Lando, Lando told Han and Leia, and Leia was screaming it at Luke while the stormtroopers shot at -and missed - Luke.

[@Deathmare235]

The stormtroopers in Tantine IV were clones they were the 501st so they don’t really count

[@thomaslane1547]

It would be a shame if the Emperor's prize were damaged.

[@SomeGuy4245-f1v]

Another for the Ewoks, if I may quote my grandfather: "Never underestimate a pointed stick." Doesn't matter advanced your blaster is, if you get a sharp stick shoved into you, you're going to have a bad time. Plus those traps where already set up of to prevent Gorax attacks.

[@ghostnappa2012]

And in the words of Shad Brooks: GET STICK!

[@jedironin380]

Reminds me of this joke: A caveman comes across a dwarf next to a dead Mastadon. He says, "Did you kill it?" The dwarf says, "Yes, I killed it with my club." "How big is your club?!" "Oh, there's about 40 of us in it!" :D

[@Archangelglenn]

Also the ewoks might be referred to as little teddy bears. Which is fine cute and cuddly...till you realize one thing. That little body is jammed back with muscles. I mean a human might tower over a black bear...but in a contest of strength...that bear's going to win every time. I mean have you seen how fast they can climb a tree. A bear no matter what size is easily two to three times as strong as the strongest human. To say nothing of the nearly ten times the amount of strenght in something the size of grizzly or polar bear. So yeah with a simple rock I could honestly believe these little guys could murder modern guys in armor.

[@nicholashodges201]

I would like to see that entire sequence shot from the stormtrooper's perspective. In the actual film *we see* all the Ewoks and Rebels doing their "magic" which is what causes this assumption. But from their "certain point of view" they were basking in post win after glow when the goddamn bushes started attacking them ALL at the same time. The actual fighting probably took less time than it does to watch the sequence on film. Much of that was happening at the same time with no point where the Ewoks weren't getting the soldiers either alone or in pairs & out number by a decent margin.

[@Leopoldshark]

Eric Idle: What about point-ed sticks? John Cleese: Shut up!

[@brettpiper4208]

In regards to #1, I remember reading an interesting theory before Solo came out. It stated that Han used the term parsecs deliberately as a test to see if Luke and Obi-Wan were someone he could take advantage of. When they didn't immediately call him on his BS, he felt the confidence to vastly overcharge them for the trip. (10,000? We can almost buy our own ship for that! ) He thought he was dealing with a couple of rubes he could scam.

[@TrevFirestorm]

The EU also covered that hole, the same way Solo film did, but way way earlier than that atrocity

[@paulhahn5229]

@@TrevFirestorm the EU covered it in a slightly better way imo. They said that basically, by going fast enough he could swing closer to a black hole without getting sucked in. He’s basically bragging that because his ship is so fast, he can fly closer to the black hole near the route, thus cutting significant distance off the route (and subsequently, time)

[@jasonkishpaugh599]

I remember hearing that obi-wan was supposed to give han a funny look after he used parsec. Han using techno-babbel to make him and his hunk of junk sound better does fit his character.

[@slate613]

@@paulhahn5229 Yeah, I believe it was mentioned in one of the novels that some plates on the Falcon were actually warped from the proximity to the black holes.

[@karlhirning6919]

In the audio commentary on the early 2000s DVD release, George Lucas explained that the Falcon had such an advanced navi-computer that it could make hyperspace jumps more efficiently, which is why Han talks about how fast the ship is and that he talks about how short of a distance it takes him to do the Kessel Run

[@krisgonynor689]

Luke was already a good pilot and had planned on applying to the Imperial Academy to be a fighter pilot. His Uncle kept stopping him, saying "next year, I need you on the farm now". Most likely he didn't want Luke anywhere near any Imperial base or school as they may have tested him and found out he was force sensitive. Or even just do a genetic scan and find out who his daddy was. Up to the murder of his aunt and uncle, Luke really didn't have an opinion about the Empire one way or another - he just thought of it was a way to get off of that backwards desert world he was on. (like his father, he hated sand). The novel of the first Star Wars movie explained it a lot better than the movie did. It went more into Luke's life and his piloting skills as a teen. One has to wonder if he ever was a pod racer? Or did his Uncle and Aunt keep him away from that, knowing he'd be like his father, win every race, and become too famous for his own good. Remember, Owen and Beru new WHO Luke really was, and who his dad was - I assume they wanted to protect him and knew enough to keep him out of the something like pod racing or the Academy to protect him from his own father.

[@Revkor]

and when the special addition came out they added back in that Biggs said he was a good pilot

[@Starbeam1979]

There is actually a comic where Luke did podracing (post New Hope).

[@shannonmcstormy5021]

As a general rule, I dislike having my "Suspension of Disbelief" impaired. That said, Lucas and company never were assured of the original film's success. They were limited in budget, time and still managed to create the profound phenomenon that became Star Wars. I for one am astounded and grateful they did the job they did, creating a (for me) life changing series of films. I remember coming out of the theater after watching Star Wars at age like 13, and looking up at the stars....differently than I had prior to seeing the movie. The original movie had such a powerful affect on our culture that it created the phenomenon of repeatedly watching a movie over and over in a relatively short time span. While I was never one of those that saw Star Wars 20-30 times, I did watch it perhaps a half-dozen times in the theater, something I had never done before and have rarely done since. Thus, using 20/20 hindsight to poke holes in the continuity of the saga, given later movies is, IMO, unfair. It's also a questionable activity. I mean, what's the point? What enjoyment is gained from taking a magnifying lens to a story, especially the first movie, given the magnitude of their creation and the enormity of the constraints they were under. Star Wars was society changing and this is not hyperbole or an overly dramatic statement. I suggest letting particularly the original movie stand, take a step back, and just appreciate the accomplishment of those that were involved in wonder, gratitude and amazement. .

[@LucianDevine]

For starters, to look so deep into material to find plot holes, continuity mistakes, etc, you likely need to like the content, because you are pouring over hours of movie footage looking for and thus finding said things. Secondly, you can enjoy something and still point out it's flaws. No movie is truly perfect. At some point somebody has to make an illogical/stupid decision to either kick start the plot or prolong the story. The trick is to try and do it as organically as possible, pending the genre of movie. In a horror movie for example, some dumb idiot is going to go check out the sound that the wnd definitely did not make. The killer instantly kills the expendable people, but for some reasons gets too close to the "final girl", goes for a slower method of killing, or some other thing that allows said person to get away. That's where standard suspension of disbelief comes in. The less a movie makes you suspend, unless it's a parody, the better, for the most part, but every movie naturally requires at least a little.

[@Dargonhuman]

Most people who are doing this aren't doing it out of spite or maliciousness - for the majority, they do it for fun and enjoy the process of theory-crafting possible explanations to make plotholes work.

[@Noreceipts400]

I think people also like to throw the term plot hole around a lot. Just because it isnt explicitly explained, doesnt mean its a plot hole. For these "plot holes" top have not existed there wouldve been a lot of pointless explanation that had no relevance to the actual story. Also, there movies they always have stuff like this

[@kaxtorplose]

Still. The Death Star could have simply vaporized Yavin, instantly exposing the rebel base on Yavin four, one of the moons of Yavin. Hell, the destruction of an entire gas giant planet probably would have taken out all of the moons, simply as a side effect of the enormity of the energy released, thereby destroying the rebel base on Yavin 4 as a mere consequence.

[@peytongonavy]

@@kaxtorplose I thought that too, but maybe they wanted to save the resources. They might have a use for that gas. Edit: These are the conversations you can only have on a plot-hole hunt.

[@grantt1589]

Palpatine was also a master at hiding his sith powers which probably made the darkness harder to detect. He stared to remove this facade so the jedi would send Anakin to investigate and you should know the rest from there

[@MrThomasCWest]

In the novel Shadow Hunter, both Sidious and Maul toured the Jedi Temple while hiding in plain sight. That ability was later used in Legacy Of The Force novels for Jacen Solo to hide himself from Luke and others.

[@Friggazee]

Much the same as Luke eventually going into hiding and Rey not being able to sense him even though he was right there instructing her.

[@wkanost]

Military technology isn’t always “cutting edge”. Military devices, computers and equipment is usually only as robust as it NEEDS to be. They refer to it as flight “hardened” hardware. It isn’t necessary to have a computer on board an aircraft that can do graphics and wild computations or have super advanced AI. It only needs to be able to navigate and accurately guide the craft and handle the onboard weapon systems. That’s it. The rest of that stuff is completely unnecessary and would most likely cause an overly complicated system to fail at critical moments. NASA learned this during the space program early days. I can safely assume that in the Star Wars universe they would come to the same conclusions.

[@jedironin380]

It's also built by the lowest bidder...

[@Dargonhuman]

There's also the concept of technological entropy - as a civilization ages and grows in size, it becomes more difficult and expensive to both maintain the existing infrastructure and to add updated infrastructure to it. The Republic was massive in size, and even in the prequels the cracks were starting to show that it was becoming too large to maintain during peacetime with a minimal standing military. The Empire was even larger and had a much stronger focus on military strength and subjugation of the thousands of planets under their rule, meaning that they had even fewer resources that they had to stretch further to maintain control, and that's ignoring the massive costs of being in a constant state of warfare with the Rebellion. If things looked less advanced in the OT than the Prequels, it could be easily explained that the Empire simply couldn't afford to paint their ships, install carpeting, replace a few burnt out lights or install a state-of-the-art holo display. Technology and society don't always progress forward, there are plenty of times in the history of Earth where technology and society regress due to economic hardships and societal collapse that often signify the beginning of the fall of a civilization.

[@Metrious]

The technology "going backward" is more a nod to the fact that the Rebels were using old spacecraft as they had to scrounge for parts and weapons. The empire had a central repository of wealth and there was very little innovation. Look at Gernany prior to the rise of Hitler. Thjey had the height of culture and arts, but during the regime they had not much wealth for the people, and all the money was funneled to the military efforts. The building of the Death Star would have bankrupted entire star systems. The people had food and technology they had before the empire existed. Some broke, some were running on the ragged edge.

[@JackPhoenixCz]

Its more likely that neither of the small ships that were being tracked had equipment to detect the tracking devices.

[@ЯАга-я4л]

well spying technology usually is cutting edge, or it is supposed to be so.

[@VoxVeritas1776]

Even Leia mentions how easy their escape was and that they were allowed to get away. Funny how you ignored this

[@charlesn898]

And as we saw in Star Wars Rebels the Empire used such a tracking device on the Ghost to track them even through hyperspace. And the Ghost crew (along with Tsebeo) would've certainly informed Rebel Command about such a device which is likely how Leia found out about such a thing. Now the bigger and better question is knowing all about this why did she let Han, Chewie, and Luke take her to the Rebel base? My head canon explanation: She was certain that the Empire was tracking the Falcon but she knew that the schematics stored in Artoo had to be examined as quickly as possible in order to find the design flaw that Jyn Erso told the Rebellion about before the Death Star started taking out planets left and right trying to find the base. However the people and equipment that could do that job for them in short order was was at Yavin 4 so she had no choice but to take the plans there without delay.

[@darthdenn1s]

You mention that Tarkin allowed the Falcon to escape the Death Star, while in the previous entry you say that there's no line of dialogue to imply that. Which there is. Tarkin did give the order.

[@bigwhopper6501]

That stuck out to me too, this guy doesn't know shit

[@yashaleo7]

Tarkin knew and planned it. But does that mean every stormtrooper would know it? Tarkin would broadcast a plan to let them go for anyone to intercept? Someone clearly knew not to send every ship in the base to shoot it down or to send their best. But it doesn’t make sense everyone would know this plan.

[@jsutton0010]

He means The stormtroopers wouldn't have known to let Chewie, Han, Leia and Luke escape.

[@FormulaFox]

@@jsutton0010 But they would have - they have comlinks in their gear, so it would be easy for Tarkin to give the order to every Trooper that would be involved in the ruse.

[@jsutton0010]

@@FormulaFox Then what was the point of sending the 4 Tie fighters, to attack the Falcon?

[@gooddog2001]

The troopers missing on the death star, Tarkin said "Are you sure the homing device is secure upon their ship?" So they intentionally let them go(Leia said).

[@rondutertre3367]

And also they can't see anything in their helmet. Remember when Rex dressed up as one to sneak in. When the fight broke out he couldn't hit anything, until he took his helmet off then he started killing everyone with one hit each.

[@War450]

@@rondutertre3367 That's non-canon. That's Filoni being an idiot and injecting non-canon memes into his shows. Stormtroopers could see perfectly fine out of their helmets and were some of the most precise marksmen in the galaxy. At no point in any of the original movies did they even remotely HINT that stormtroopers were bad shots nor that they couldn't see. Some off-hand remark by a kid who is, and I quote "a little short to be a stormtrooper" wearing a stolen helmet that was not designed to be worn by him does not mean all stormtroopers have trouble seeing.

[@rondutertre3367]

@@War450 also when Luke put on the helmet when he and Han went to save Leia. He even said that he can't see anything.

[@War450]

@@rondutertre3367 Yeah, HE can't see a thing. Helmet wasn't made for him. He wasn't authorized to use it. If I go put on some stolen riot police helmet and it's too big and covers my eyes does that mean all riot cops are blinded by their helmets? Don't be stupid and don't believe in stupid 'canon'.

[@Metrious]

No matter how you slice it, the fact that every movie the stormtroopers are shown as being poor shots for the most part and not just on the first Death Star. No matter the order it should have meant that the rest of the time they shot very well. It appears that they would have still been clones. Afterwhile the clone programming was growing weak and their aim was suffering as a result. It was a small problem when they had millions of troops, so it was never corrected. If you add in the additional knowledge of Fin and others in the sequel trilogy, not the prequel, they were using people instead of clones, most likely because the technology had degraded to a point where it was unusable.

[@philipmeyer3755]

I love Jules. He's so positive... HE IS A MASSIVE LEDGE!

[@boyankovachev7982]

YES, YES HE IS. I mean, I love him too. If Simon weren't there, I wouldn't wonder whom I love more. But, currently I can say that, I love them both so much. Like, as much, as I love my gf😅 😄 One love ❤️

[@scottishcelts2040]

You forgot to put window.

[@Eric-ch6gq]

I've said it before. He gets the NOT lists because he knows how to give a pos spin at tat the end.

[@michelangelo4483]

Massive SHILL you mean

[@flareinc7413]

Amazing and inspiring is Jules indeed. Love him.

[@HighHeelKnight]

9 = Darth Sideous is the ultimate master of the Dark Side after 1,000 generations of the Sith living in hiding. He was so wise, powerful, disciplined, cunning, and manipulative that he was able to literally hide in plain sight amongst the Jedi council. The man also knows how to manipulate the Republic, the Separatists, the Jedi Council, Padme, Jar Jar, Dooku, and Anakin to his advantage. He arranged the creation of the clone army right under the Council's noses. He is the final form of "a wolf in sheep's clothing." Furthermore, the Jedi are mistrustful of all politicians, including valued allies like Padme. The leader of the Galactic Republic, regardless of political track record or affiliation, would garner the most distrust by the Jedi. Therefore, whatever bad vibes the Council might sense would be chalked up to natural suspicion of the biggest politician in office. 8 = In a galaxy with names like Mace Windu, Sheev Palpatine, Jar Jar Binks, Lando Calrissian, Chewbacca, Padme Amidala, Shmi Skywalker, Boba Fett, Lobot, Wedge Antilles, Gail Ackbar, and Asajj Ventress, the average outer rim citizen probably isn't going to notice a name like Ben Kenobi. (If anything "Ben" would be stick out more than Kenobi.) Even though Obi-Wan Kenobi was on the Jedi Council and a general during the Clone Wars, he wouldn't have been well known in the outer rim territories. It would be like if the United States lost the Civil War to the South, and General Ulysses S Grant - born Hiram Ulysses Grant - went into exile in Australia and changed his name to Herman Grant. The average Australian wouldn't take a second glance. 5 = THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! There was also the facts that the Ewoks vastly outnumbered the Storm Troopers. They had the surprise advantage as well as the literal home field advantage. Ewoks were a technologically privative culture, but they were no strangers to ground warfare and guerilla tactics. They were basically an army of tiny furry Rambos.

[@brianstrutter1501]

True but on #5 read my post about the Ewoks. For me it was never about the Ewoks themselves and you're right on the sheer numbers

[@HighHeelKnight]

@@brianstrutter1501 Where can I read your statement about the Ewoks please?

[@yashaleo7]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 well said true SW fan recognize true SW fan 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@cassandra.wladyslava]

I always thought of the Endor/the Ewoks as Vietnam/the Viet Cong. They had home field advantage and used guerrilla warfare.

[@GreyHulk2156]

Also, don't forget that the Ewoks are carnivorous and clearly expert hunters. As shown when they bait Chewbacca into a trap and attempt to cook him and his friends. They are shown to have these skills before they utilise them against the Empire.

[@aaronmurphy9353]

It's nice to see someone else already understood how the plot holes were not plot holes. I've had to explain some of this to others for years, especially Han's boast of 12 parsecs being distance not time measurements. Well done, Dude.

[@digifreak90]

One of my favorite explanations for the Kessel Run (that's more or less confirmed in Solo) is that the run takes a path riddled with Black Holes and other high gravity objects capable of pulling a ship out of hyperspace to their gruesome destruction, so doing it in fewer parsecs in incredibly dangerous because you have to make sure your route doesn't get to close to anything capable of pulling the ship out of hyperspace.

[@FormulaFox]

The writer of this list clearly has not watched Episode IV if they think there was no dialogue supporting the heroes being allowed to escape.

[@xuruiyu]

Actually, the "I can't see a thing in this" line (by the way, improvised by Mark Hamil because of the props being hard to see out of) was later explained as a measure against rebels stealing stormtrooper armor, the actual troopers see perfectly well. Also, the very first few scenes of the movie shows stormtroopers to be accurate, competent and fearsome soldiers, so for the love of Force, stop with the dumb stereotype

[@rpontonjr]

And, as for firing from the hip, I would assume the helmets have integrated targeting with the guns. Luke, not wearing a helmet, has to aim the old-fashioned way (plus Force hax) because he doesn't have a working helmet/gun link.

[@tim8801]

@@rpontonjr the bullets also have tracers to you can see where it goes once u shoot you can make the adjustments for the next shots so it wouldn’t be all that bad idea

[@patrickstewart3446]

The Kessel run explanation actually predates Solo. It comes from the Jedi Academy trilogy. It’s one of those Legends references seeping their way into canon.

[@darthcerebus]

And then ruined the Maw being just a single black hole and not a giant cluster of them being a total nightmare just to consider exists in the galaxy. And now thinking about it, could be the inspiration for Exagol and the "Need extremely specific route coordinates to navigate to the main place" concept.........

[@Jeartozer]

To add to the numberous people already pointing out that the troopers DID miss on purpose, as quotes by both Leia and Tarkin attest to, I wanna throw another wrench in the gears so to speak. Stormtrooper armour was designed to absorb the energy from a blaster shot, and disipate it over the whole of the chest piece, and by doing so, often knocked the wind, and also often the consciousness from the wearer, making them SEEM dead, but able to fight again later on. So many of those troopers we see fall, may not have even died, letting moral stay the same even after being ordered to basically run into enemy fire

[@pirateraider1708]

Here's my opinions on some of that stuff: 1: Who says parsecs can't be used as time measurements in that galaxy? We use hours and minutes as travelling distance measurements here, and it works fine. 2: It didn't seem to notice Qui-Gon at all. And even if it did, it probably just dismissed him as a random local who wasn't worth shooting at. 8: The Star Wars galaxy is a big place, with a big population. There could be a million guys named Kenobi, so calling himself Old Ben and hiding under a rock in the middle of nowhere is more than enough. 5: Ewoks may look cute, but they're basically a fusion between goblins and wolverines. Why don't people realize that?

[@draugur345]

Well, on your first point, while you might tell somebody “I made the trip in under two hours,” you wouldn’t say “I made the drive in under 200 miles” I personally prefer the theory that Han is a lying blowhard trying to swindle two country bumpkins. As for the transport not shooting Qui-gon that’s one of like three or four times in the video where what culture uses the plot hole to justify itself, basically just going “nuh-uh” and leaving it at that. Ewoks are cannibal space teddy bear gobl-rines

[@War450]

@@draugur345 Why wouldn't you? If the common highway route is 300 miles to get to the destination. And you made the trip in 200 miles, why wouldn't you say "I made the drive in 200 miles"?

[@draugur345]

@@War450 because generally there is a shortest route and that’s what people use to make the best time. That’s why the line needs justification. Only under a special circumstance would you tell someone you made a journey in the shortest distance rather than the quickest time. Everybody already assumes you traveled the shortest distance to make the best time. Points A and B are in theory a fixed distance apart and you can’t bring them closer without breaking spacetime

[@War450]

@@draugur345 You're almost there. People assume you took the shortest AVAILABLE route. If people don't know about your secret shorter route they will be impressed that you managed to get there in a shorter distance. Nobody is saying the distance from a literal Point a to Point b as the crow flies perspective. They're saying the distance from a TRAVEL perspective. If I say "it's 3200 miles to get from new york to chiago" that doesn't mean they're 3200 miles apart. It means I have to travel 3200 miles to get from one to the other. So if someone comes in and says "I can get there in 3000 miles" they can get there faster. So many people in these comments have such a difficult time with such a simple thing.

[@draugur345]

@@War450 Very clever, but you forgot one thing: Han doesn't say "*I* made the kessle run in twelve parsecs." He says "*The Falcon* made the run in twelve parsecs." Obviously a pilot might know a secret smuggling route, but Han is clearly referring to the Falcon's speed with this line. No matter how fast you go you don't travel fewer miles, or parsecs in this case. Though if we consider the Solo movie to be cannon, maybe he's just bragging about femputer's navigating...

[@R3_dacted0]

Regarding the "backwards in tech" point... you have to realize that the technology seen in the OT is that of a relatively small group of rebels that scour up gear and equipment to fight the Imperials. X-Wings are probably their most advanced piece of tech, but everything else is pretty ratty looking. You don't get to see all the modern stuff civilians use like we do in the prequels. So it makes perfect sense that the prequel era stuff "looks nicer" than the OT era stuff. As far as actual plot holes... one that kinda has me scratching my head is how after they escape the Death Star in IV, Leia knows they are tracking them and yet they still proceed directly to the Rebel base. Understandable they want to lower the risk of future destruction, but they are taking a big chance that they can figure out a plan of attack on the thing just using those plans within such a short period of time. Plus, it really doesn't seem to be all that necessary that Leia be there at the base. If she was really that important, it would have been smarter to go to some remote world and drop her off/change ships.

[@dernwine]

Yeah, relatively modern stuff like Swoop Vespas. :)

[@ironfist7789]

Because the loss of the rebel base is nothing compared to losing more planets to the death star. The loss of Alderaan was far more impacting than the loss of the entire rebel base would be... if they didn't get some sort of win it would have been over, regardless. At that point her focus was probably not on self-preservation as she lost her entire homeworld. Also, I'm guessing because it was a rush, the empire didnt have time to assemble more capital ships to defend the station (or just a lack of special affects budget). If there was more time they would also risk the empire finding and fixing the weaknesses in the station.

[@Deathmare235]

What about stormtroopers they’re supposed to be the most high tech army

[@tomdietzel3325]

Obi Wan refers to the blast points on the sandcrawler as being highly accurate, and says that only stormtroopers are so precise. So their adequacy as soldiers has been established, as has the ease of the gang's escape from the death star

[@aaronmurphy9353]

When Stormtroopers are shooting from the hip they suck. When they actually bring the rifle up properly they can actually hit stuff. Stormtrooper snipers are scary accurate as their weapons smartlink to their helmets internal HUD.

[@War450]

@@aaronmurphy9353 If you know anything about shooting guns you'd realize that stormtroopers have to be MORE accurate shooting from the hip. Do you have any idea how hard it is to INTENTIONALLY miss your target without making it obvious you're intentionally missing? That's a level of skill even real life soldiers can't pull off.

[@tonyfendex2558]

WRONG. When stormtroopers shoot at OUR HEROES, SURE they miss!!! (We don't want our HEROES DEAD.) But when they shoot at other Rebels, it's a KILLING SHOT!! In A New Hope, stormtroopers decimated all the Rebels in Tentative 4. Also only about TWO Rebel ships survived the Death Star attack before it blew up. Dude, ACTUALLY stormtroopers KILL EVERYTHING except Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy. Have you ever seen James bond movies?? Have you ever seen any action adventure movies?? You see PROTAGONISTS survive the impossible in most cases.@@aaronmurphy9353

[@icecold9511]

Actually tracking devices built well are hard to detect. They would avoid detection by transmitting only when the target is radiating EM energy. In all likelihood the tracker on the Falcon didn't send a signal until it reached the next destination and likely under cover of other EM activities.

[@jaycurtis5036]

Also it could be a high speed micro burst.

[@phillipsusi1791]

Of course, if it were trying to communicate by EM, it would never reach its destination due to the distance involved and the limit of light speed.

[@Charistoph]

Or, it was transmitting on frequencies that most communication systems never connected to.

[@rpontonjr]

Also, Leia's line indicated that she expected they were being tracked, but that doesn't mean she expected a tracking device on the ship, at least not for sure. It could have been a stealth ship shadowing them, for all she knew.

[@darthcarnage12]

I never understood why people thought the weakness in the Death Star was a plot hole (I know with Rogue One it's now confirmed as intentional, but I honestly think that being the built-in "weakness" is stranger than the previous canon). In/on a space station the size of a small moon, there is one singular place which can be hit with a shot that a computer cannot make (only someone guided by the force) and that space is shielded and needs to be hit with a weapon designed to pennetrate shields and then explode after the fact; you can also only make an attempt at that shot after and extended run of overcoming the station's defences. How is that a gaping weakness? In the current canon, Jyn's father is kind of a dick with the most unrealistic expectations of what is possible for the Rebels. Thank god (or the force) they got an incredibly powerful force sensitive pilot at the exact time they did, prior to the Empire being able to identify them and send Vader or the inquistors to hunt him down, because the Alliance is over without that happening.

[@simondewitt7161]

I have argued this many times. Especially when you consider the Empire didn't know about Luke's existence, so how could they design the Death Star against a threat they didn't know about. As far as the Empire is concerned there are only two force users in the galaxy. Now when they redesigned the second Death Star, it was pretty stupid not to include cannons in that trench (although I suppose it wasn't fully built yet). But that little room with the reactor really should have had some cannons in there to defend it at least. Also, why did the Emperor tell the Rebels where the shield generator was? Couldn't he have set his trap by telling them it was somewhere else? Like on Endor itself. It says that Endor is a gas planet but couldn't they have built a cloud city type base and lure the Rebels there?

[@physical_insanity]

​@@simondewitt7161 Putting cannons in a tight, cramped space intended solely for construction not only makes the job harder for the workers, but puts unnecessary clutter and stuff in the way and lengthens the job, and that's not even mentioning there's no feasible place to put a turbo laser without making it block the entire passage or any solid ground to put it. And putting cannons in the reactor room will only result in catastrophe, imagine if one of them destroys the reactor itself.

[@bugs1285]

I would argue that it’s even unrealistic that a giant battle station only needed an exhaust vent that small. Plothole my ass…

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

To be fair, an alternate method of attack could have been to attack the vent head-on during a diversion. Also ideally, the rebels would've mounted a bigger assault like they did with Death Star II with capital ships. The rebels' hands were forced because the Death Star showed up on their doorstep.

[@darthcarnage12]

@@NieroshaiTheSable The problem is, it's not really possible to create a diversion big enough to distract a fully manned station the size of a moon and, they were attacking it head-on, so there wouldn't be a change. And if they had attacked with more, they would just lose more. Capital ships don't really have enough fire power to destroy the Death Star and can be taken out easily and more fighters would just lead to additional failed trench runs. Aside from that, if they did get enough people together to legitimately pose a threat, the Death Star could just move to hyperspace.

[@ethanpetersen810]

The Death Star stormtroopers probably had no combat experience, considering their job was just to be stationed on the Death Star. In the opening scene, however, we see that the stormtroopers fighting the rebel soldiers are significantly more accurate.

[@voxorox]

Actually, the "parsec" line didn't need to be retconned, only explained. In the script, and in the movie if you pay attention, Obi-Wan gives a look of disbelief at the "obvious piece of misinformation" from Han.

[@unigaming9921]

But for many, it was already obvious that the kessel run isn't a straight line. That isn't how smuggling runs work. It's a dangerous region smugglers go into to escape/avoid apprehension, meaning it's like a maze in space.

[@MoDlegion]

It still make sense if you take into account how hyperspace works, i.e. you need to avoid gravity wells or you'll be sucked in one, get pulled out of hyperspace and slam into what ever caused the gravity well. The Falcon being faster than anything else means you can go deeper into a gravity well while still making it out, making you able to take a shorter route than anything else. Obi-Wan might still think it a baseless boast in either scenario.

[@darthcerebus]

@@MoDlegion Plus the idea of "Hyperspace in a gravity well and you'll literally evaporate from the g-forces that suddenly"

[@madisonlink7141]

It was ALL BUT STATED in conversation between Vader and Tarkin that Leah was allowed to escape in order to track her back to the rebel base. Tarkin: "Are they away?" Vader: "They have just made the jump into hyperspace." Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work." The plan is only an "awful risk" if the escape was intentionally allowed.

[@RUBBER_BULLET]

Similar to the Solo parsec retcon, I think the biggest plot hole was the Death Star being destroyed with a single shot, until the Rogue One retcon. As Darth Stewie said, "can we not put a sheet of plywood over it or something?"

[@runlarryrun77]

It's not a plot hole though. The Empire never thought a single seat fighter would able to get close enough to engage the thermal exhaust at almost point blank range. The line is something like "the Empire doesn't consider small, single seat fighters to be a threat". Plus I felt that plot point was more expanded upon by Rogue One than retconned. To me it tied it all up well, why the exhaust port was a weak point, why it was overlooked by the Empire & how the rebels came to know of it.

[@deathsheir2035]

That's not a plot-hole. IT NEVER WAS A PLOT-HOLE! Only the ignorant claims it to be a plot-hole. NO, they could not simply cover the port. IT'S A THERMAL EXHAUST PORT! The core generates a lot of heat, and if too much of that heat enters the living areas of the station, you will literally cook everyone on board alive. How do you deal with excess heat? THERMAL EXHAUST! In Space, Radiation is the only way to dissipate heat; thus, increasing the surface area in contact with open space, increases the amount of heat that can be radiated from the structure. There's a primary exhaust port on both hemispheres, surrounded by 13 (if I recall correctly) secondary exhaust ports. Closing any one of those ports, could have dire consequences of everyone living on board. The impossible shot of photon torpedoes making a sharp 90 degree turn, stopping all horizontal momentum, to then travel straight down the port, without losing any speed, despite the energy pushing against those torpedoes (Exhaust does mean push out, not pull in, which means there is energy basically being pushed out). I like to look at this impossible shot, and think to myself "This is why Leia went to Obi-Wan for help. She didn't do it in person, because she was captured." She went to the one person, a Jedi, whom she knows can make a shot, no technology can make. She kept this to herself, because she wanted people to have Hope!

[@TokyoXtreme]

@@deathsheir2035 The proton torpedoes don’t go all the way down the exhaust shaft. They do turn to a degree, but they impact just inside the port. The explosion caused by the torpedoes causes a chain reaction of explosions, which is what makes its way down towards the reactor. This behavior is described in the briefing, which has the historical significance of containing the world’s first CGI graphics in a film.

[@War450]

To expand on this, the exhaust port WAS covered. Not physically, but they explicitly say it's shielded which is why they had to use proton torpedoes and not blasters. It never was a plot hole, rogue one MADE it a plot hole. Think about it. So the exhaust port is an INTENTIONAL weakness now? So Galen made an 'intentional' weakness to exploit and this weakness required a single-seat fighter pilot to bypass hundreds of tie fighters, thousands of turbolasers, skim across the surface in a multi-mile long trench and fire off military-grade proton torpedoes at a shielded exhaust port so small even computers couldn't reliably hit it. THAT's the intentional weakness to exploit? A literal one-in-a-million shot only made by possible by having a jedi do it? Gee, thanks Galen, really saved the rebellion with that one.

[@vonskyme9133]

@War450 to be fair to Galen, I don't think he was expecting it to be a space born attack so much as a suicidal saboteur planting a bomb. It was just desparation that made the Rebellion use Space Magic instead.

[@minescroftey4918]

The Jedi actually couldn’t sense the dark side of the force around the Chancellor. He used a force technique called cloaking so he could hide his force presence. He only lifted the cloak after revealing to Anakin that he was a Sith. He wanted the Council to attack him to force Anakin into helping to kill Mace Windy

[@haydentcem]

Actually the theory about the Stormtroopers missing intentional is true. Non-stormies only complain about low visibility in the helmets because they aren’t registered to the helmets and this can’t use its HUD

[@jedironin380]

Did you see the scene in the Mandalorian with the two scout troopers having some target practice? They can't shoot! haha (I know, it's an inside joke.)

[@haydentcem]

@@jedironin380 ye

[@War450]

@@jedironin380 That's Filoni and Disney taking the non-canon joke made by ignorant people and making it canon.

[@sandshark2]

@@War450 well, they were also using tiny backup pistols. They could just be inaccurate. Or maybe they just werent trying that hard, and just trying to stave off boredom?

[@ЯАга-я4л]

@@sandshark2 also, those could be not THE Stormtroopers but some usual people that joined the Remnant's army after the fall of Empire hence they dont have Stormtrooper-level of training and the equipment they were given, the blasters and the armor, is old and poorly maintained. Still, the way Stormtroopers were portrayed in whole Mandalorian turned them from a joke into a painfully sad joke.

[@Wyyrme]

A good explanation of the "parsecs" comment is that Han was simply talking out of his ass to impress Obi-Wan. In the reverse shot, you can tell Kenobi is quietly laughing.

[@chazblank2717]

I’ve always heard abstractly that despite their size Ewoks were as strong as Wookiees, but hearing y’all explain in detail their feats of strength was very satisfying.

[@Charistoph]

Probably because Lucas was planning on them being Wookies in early development.

[@S_Drake]

Regarding the parsec issue: the 'explanation' was something that was later added in for the sole purpose of addressing that issue. But it wasn't so much an explanation as a retcon. Lucas had stated that Han's claim was an attempt to BS Luke and Obi-wan to see how much they knew about space travel so that he could possibly raise his rates if the pair seemed credulous enough. At the time, he was not envisioning the Kessel Run as it was later described in the expanded universe. When you need to fabricate an explanation out of whole cloth in later materials in order for a point to make sense, then it's a plot hole.

[@senoreljoynes6442]

None of the sequels were mentioned here, but one nitpick people have with it that I hate is that those bombs in The Last Jedi "fell in space with no gravity". But obviously they fell through the floor of the ship that had artificial gravity technology and then they kept going with their momentum once they were outside of the artificial gravity well.

[@WgdVids]

Or they were pulled towards the much larger ship that had it's own artificial gravity, the occupants of which were walking around on the floors.

[@Revkor]

they don't havre the balls to go through those errors in film

[@ovni2295]

Though not brought up in the original trilogy, we do have confirmation later that part of the reason the Stormtroopers are inaccurate is that their weapons suck. The Clone Troopers have weapons with much longer barrels, and are noticably more accurate across all their appearances. HOWEVER, in defense of the Stormtroopers' go-to weapon, the E-11 blaster rifle, they are so small and lightweight so they can be used in confined spaces much more easily than the Clone Troopers' usual weapons. So it was a tradeoff between accuracy and ease of use in the environments Stormtroopers were meant to operate. We see similar tradeoffs in real life, such as the US Army's M4 Carbine replacing the longer and more accurate M16 Rifle for exactly the same reasons.

[@deaconpoole7577]

3:23 Actually, Leia flat out declares that they’re escape was too easy, and blames the ease on the Troopers being ordered not to kill, and insists that they are being tracked. Yeah, Han says that it wasn’t an *easy* escape, and outright rejects the idea that they’re being tracked, but later in the, Moff Tarkin explicitly says “And you're sure the homing beacon is secure onboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work.” Confirming that yes, they were tracking the Millennium Falcon, which means that the Stormtroopers were likely ordered not to kill. Just because it doesn’t happen on screen, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Plus, Ben Kenobi states earlier in the film that “Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.” AND if you read up on the extended universe lore and auxiliary materials, you’d know that the Imperial Stormtrooper helmets provide a Heads Up Display, complete with targeting data, synced with their E-11 rifles.

[@deaconpoole7577]

I love how basically every other comment is calling out how wrong this explanation for the 3rd “plot hole” is.

[@mannydavis7708]

She was referring to what happened after the Falcon left the Death Star. In the novelisation that came out with the movie by Alan Dean Foster, after Han's "you call that easy", she replies with "They only sent four TIE fighters after us. They could have easily sent 100."

[@Johnadams20760]

han was trying to impress obiwan ,but if you noticed his reaction, alec guinesss body language and eyes lookeat him like "you lying dude"

[@KravKernow]

In the SW screenplay the "12 Parsecs" thing is just Han trying to BS with technobabble. And Obi Wan sees right through it. I must confess I prefer that to the more convoluted retcon explanations. It fits Han's character as a bit of a chancer.

[@KeplersDream]

👆This. The screenplay says something to the effect of "Obi-Wan reacts to the obvious misinformation". Far from Lucas confusing the terms, he actually expected the audience would be smart enough to catch the subtlety.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@KeplersDream Clearly Lucas was wrong on that one...

[@rogerdam11]

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[@maloc1824]

The entire 12 parsecs thing was always stupid and was explained in a (now non-canon) book, besides just thinking about it and you'd realize that it meant he took a short-cut.

[@Will____13007]

For 9 and 8 there are bonus reasons, for 9 the old jedi defeated a sith shrine and decided to build their temple on top of it as a sign of dominance, but it is still a sith shrine so it clouded their judgement deeply, and for 8 as explained in the obi wan kenobi book obi wan returned to tatooine to assist raise and defend Luke from imperials he found a small homestead out in the middle of no where and engraved on the doorframe was “old ben’s” so he inherited the name and became known as old ben kenobi, everyone in mos espa knew kenobi well and enjoyed his presence so no one would ever turn the good old grandpa like figure in to the most hated military.

[@iconpoet]

Also... people fail to realize that there was an entire Rebel strike team on the moon of Endor... it CLEARLY states this

[@Revkor]

the ewoks helped distract

[@Jmac1962]

9 plotholes detailed in the video, 10 plotholes mentioned in the title. way to go guys

[@icecold9511]

Actual physical buttons have an advantage in textural feel. I can touch type a regular keyboard. Buy with a virtual keyboard it becomes much harder. In VR, try operating buttons on a plane virtually, with hand recognition. Doesn't work well. A tactile feel is essential.

[@kelpjelli]

A combination of the two would feel really cool tbh

[@icecold9511]

@@kelpjelli VR and physical buttons? People have done it for Digital Combat Simulations and the F18. Augmented reality allows the video camera from a VR headset to show through the virtual environment. The cockpit is custom made and cost 10k in parts.

[@kelpjelli]

@@icecold9511 do you mean in real like or Star Wars? I’m assuming SW until further clarification but I meant real life.

[@icecold9511]

@@kelpjelli the link I provided to a video is missing. It was a real world f16 cockpit, projected into VR through the camera in the headset. Everything else was VR.

[@icecold9511]

@@kelpjelli kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGXcfICVe8yAhac

[@colt5189]

My explanation of the "12 parsecs" is that Han was testing the old man to see if he could BS him to get him to pay him more money for the trip. Then Solo had to come along and ruin that.

[@EDC_Bond]

The parsec thing was fixed like 20 years ago in the novels. Not sure why you’re giving that credit to the Solo movie.

[@Charistoph]

Jedi Academy Trilogy. Sadly, no longer considered canon, and it wouldn't be known to people who avoid reading in favor of only moving pictures.

[@Roccondil]

Whether or not it’s fixed, I still hold that parsecs is a time measurement in-universe, real-world terms be damned.

[@Gabiman66]

Stormtroopers not being able to hit anyone is the biggest myth in star wars fandom and is propably hold there because of the nonstop joining of newcomers who hear the jokes before the actual movie

[@peterpauze6728]

I’ve never understood the problem with Han’s “twelve parsecs” claim, not since I first heard it in 1977. For someone driving from Chicago to New York City, there is not one and only one unequivocal distance to travel. It depends on the route they take. The standard Chi-NY run is 813 miles, but my smuggler pal once made the Chi-NY run in less than 790 miles because he figured out a shorter route. You’ve never heard of his car? It's fast enough for you, old man.

[@TommygunNG]

The problem is, that discusses distance and navigation, not the car's speed capability. Presumably any car could take the shorter route. That applies to the explanation in "Solo" as well. But... Even as "light-year" is a measure of distance--that is, how far a certain thing (light) travels in a year--a "parsec" could be how long a certain thing (unknown to us, but known to them by convention) takes to travel one parsec. Again, Han's point was about speed, not navigation. Taking a shortcut says nothing about speed capability. By the obvious explanation I laid out does.

[@peterpauze6728]

@@TommygunNG Well... I disagree. The bottom line of Han's boast is that he can get his potential passengers where they want to go faster than anyone else. To use my Chi-NY example, he's not bragging about how fast his car travels, but about how fast he can get you from point A to point B. There's no reason why a person who knows perfectly well that a parsec is a unit of measurement (as Han obviously must) might couch his boast in terms of a shortcut making his ship "fast enough for you."

[@TommygunNG]

@@peterpauze6728 But remember, the writers might not have known parsec is a unit of distance. The whole dialogue section is about the SHIP, not the crew: BEN: "Yes indeed, if it's a fast ship ." HAN: "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?" BEN: "Should I have?" HAN: "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs." He was talking about the ship and its speed, not himself. Indeed, even after telling how HE had outrun star destroyers, he says, "SHE'S fast enough for you, old man," not "I'm fast enough." He is expressly bragging about the ship's speed! If it was about his navigation, then the ship wouldn't matter. It would be about the crew. But in our hyper-literal environment the obvious explanation (beyond the writers being careless and not anticipating the increased sophistication of later generations viewing the movie) was ignored. My point is simple: There was no need to make out the dialogue to mean something different than the original (awkward/flawed) intent. But with the whole remaking of "hyperspace," with "lanes" and whatnot, the writers of "Solo" felt they just had to fix their predecessors' mistake with their twist, rather than ignore it/play it the obvious way.

[@War450]

@@TommygunNG Because it is about speed. Because unlike the chicago-new york example, it's not Han mapping out the route. It's his ship's computer. Only his ship has the navicomputer fast enough and precise enough to plan a route like that. This allows the falcon to get to the destination way faster than any other ship. If one driver took 10 hours to get to new york, and another took 6, you'd say that guy was faster, right?

[@TommygunNG]

@@War450 Haven't seen "Solo." No desire to. If your description is accurate, it seems like a bit of a retcon, as Ep4 shows Han doing the calculations more manually. In any case, thank you.

[@vadenthakkar]

In the prequels, the planets that have the advanced technology are coruscant and kamino, which are not in the originals. I thought when they were talking about parsecs as distance they were referring to it like we would say “it is an hour away”

[@jondnz]

The parsec thing. Before the Solo film the leading theory was that Han Solo himself was just using terminology incorrectly to try to impress Luke and Obi Wan. Obi Wan likely saw through it but had no other choice but to use Solo to get to Alderaan

[@kenbrown2808]

actually, the Han Solo books retconned it first, explaining that the Kessel run involved skirting around a cluster of black holes. the closer to the holes, the shorter the transit.

[@fuchsingeist]

This theory is actually based on a script. There were lines, like, "Han, boasting" and "Obi-Wan, amused and not believing it". You can actually see Obi-Wan smirking there.

[@theexchipmunk]

A few thought: -The Obi Wan Kenobi, Ben Kenobi bit. Vader knew Obi Wan to be smart. He was known as the Negotiator. Now from that point, would you really expect the highly sought after sensible Generally of the Clone Wars to be hiding as Ben Kenobi? Even more so on Tatooine as a crazy hermit? No. -Not Shooting Qi Gon. That was probably just down to the programming not identifying him as a threat at the time. -And what Han does is likely even more. He is shady, so telling the falcon did it "in 12 parsecs" also might be him seeing how much the person he is talking to knows about space travel and if he can scam more money out of them.

[@kaywhaaa92]

I was pretty sure some of the books talked about the Maw installation and the Kessel Run being about distance before the movies

[@TheWombat2012]

Not long after the original movie came out there was a story about the Kessel Run being distance rather than time.

[@karlsmith2570]

As far as Luke being able to fly an X-Wing His T16 was manufactured by the same company that built the X-Wing, so the controls would be familiar, even if they're in a slightly different configuration

[@ajm2872]

Mark Hamill's line about not being able to see a thing out of the helmet was unscripted. Lucas decided to keep it in during editing. If I recall correctly, in Star wars lore, the Stormtrooper helmet had advanced targeting systems linked to the blaster rifle. Shooting from the hip is incredibly stable, and if the targeting is being done via helmet link, then their hit probability should actually go up, not down.

[@maximillion322]

If Mark Hamill’s line made it through the editing room, then it’s canon

[@darthcerebus]

It's basically like what Halo Legends showed off in one of the animated shorts, what we see in the game is literally what the Spartans see in their helmets, reticule and all, because it's connected to the "scope" of the gun, and they can see through it without actually looking through it, and it has the reticule pointing to where they're aiming at any point.

[@driptip22]

Do we forget the Ewok that hopped on a storm trooper bike looked at it for 2 seconds and figured it out

[@reinhardgutzat8828]

People clearly don't understand what a plot hole even is.

[@oscardeleon2584]

No one seems to mention in Empire that it's *standard operation* for Star Destroyers to dump Millenium-Falcon-sized chunks of garbage before going to hyperspace. How much garbage do these things generate between jumps?

[@majestyc0359]

Thank you, Liam Neeson, for saving Star Wars.

[@eclipsehorse8693]

he has "a particular set of skills in which he's acquired over a very long length of time..." :)

[@Dargonhuman]

@@eclipsehorse8693 Liam Neeson wasn't killing anyone in most of his scenes *Ding!*

[@deejaytubbster8983]

lol, I‘m 47 and watched all Star Wars movies a felt hundred times, but I never recognized the real T-16 in the background. Nice one!

[@wh8787]

My head cannon on why everything looks less advanced in the original trilogy is that with the authoritarian Empire in charge, innovative just kind of stalled. So sure, they dumped loads of money into star ships, the Death Star programs, AT ATs, etc. But stuff that people actually use day to day just kind of decayed.

[@Dargonhuman]

This is a real phenomenon when a thriving, prosperous economy shifts to a focus on imperialistic militarism, just like how the Republic became the Empire.

[@wh8787]

@@Dargonhuman indeed, or various fascist governments. The Nazis had their guns or butter issue where a lot of home comforts were reduced in favour rearmament. Obviously the economy before wasn't exactly 'thriving' but extreme militarism tends to push out other economic focuses. Plus, the Empire are deeply xenophobic and obviously don't give a crap about non-core planets, they're hardly going to invest in planets where most of the population aren't even human.

[@sothisishowusernameswork.2043]

It was indeed implied that an order was made for our main characters to be not shot, Leia says: They let us go. In the millenium falcon after they escaped to han.

[@HellDuke-]

Funnily enough, the parsec plot hole is actually still a plot hole. The boast was about the ships speed, however shaving off distance in the Solo movie was not related to speed but rather being able to plot the course through the area. So in terms of what was said - still a mistake.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Which is why the legends explanation is better

[@Duothimir]

The original explanation was that Han was clearly making it up because he expected Luke and Ben to just be some country bumpkins. He wanted to make himself sound more impressive so he could squeeze them for more money, but neither of them fell for it.

[@Roccondil]

My thought is, the movies have several terms that are different from real-world terms but mean the same things. Why can’t parsecs be a time term in-universe while a distance term in the real world?

[@HellbellyUK]

In I think one of the old West End Games RPG books, I recall it saying that one of the design goals of the X-Wing was to base the control layout on that of the T-16 Skyhopper, because it was such a ubiquitous craft, the goal being to shorten training time on the T-65 due to familiarity.

[@ericjv41]

Here's a plot hole that I'd like to see explained away - At the beginning of A New Hope, Owen Lars and Luke buy C3PO. Lars doesn't recognize the name or the voice. However, it is clearly established in Revenge of the Sith that the Lars family actually previously owned 3PO. Why doesn't Owen Lars recognize him?

[@sarveshnathan7559]

There are million astromech droids in the world. Why would Owen recognize one he hasn't seen for decades, especially since the last time he saw 3PO was when he had sliver plating? I don't remember what my previous phone looked like, which haven't had for 5 years. If anything it would be more of a plot hole if he did remember 3PO

[@TokyoXtreme]

@@sarveshnathan7559 no other protocol droid seen in the films has the voice of Anthony Daniels though.

[@clancykohl]

C3PO never introduces himself to Owen when he's bought, only to Luke. Also his appearance changed. And there are millions upon million of these droids in the galaxy. And the voice, well even if he did find it similar to that one of the droid his family had like 20 years ago, that his half brother took with him, he really had no reason to suspect it was that exact droid, but merely one that sounded similar. He also didn't really care about them anyway. Like he just lets Anakin take 3PO (though it was in fact technically Anakin's droid, he might as well could have objected that he had grown to like him) and when he buys them, he gives little thought about them as well, he only cares about them getting to work.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@TokyoXtreme _seen in the films_ being the operative phrase there. We don't see more than a handful of droids, so it's entirely possible that there are hundreds of thousands of protocol droids with voice synthesizers that sound like Anthony Daniels. "But we see Anakin building 3P0!" some may argue, and my response is, "Yea? And?" Anakin was a slave boy on an impoverished backwater (backsand?) planet; at best he built 3P0 from a mass produced kit that Watto bought on the cheap, but most likely Anakin assembled 3P0 from scraps and spare parts that Watto managed to trade for, which would mean the Anthony Daniels synthesizer was common enough in the Galaxy for Watto to get one cheap enough for his slave boy to tinker with.

[@donaldcake1]

would you recognize the toaster your family threw away 30 years ago

[@VestedUTuber]

Solo isn't the first time they explained the Parsecs thing. It was also mentioned in the New Jedi Order trilogy of novels, although instead of cutting through dangerous areas of space it involved flying closer to gravity wells than otherwise possible. The _Falcon_ was so fast in hyperspace that it was able to ignore the outer reaches of the gravity signatures of black holes in the Maw cluster, which lies extremely close to Kessel along the Kessel Run hyperspace lane.

[@markusallen5634]

It's funny how most people tend to react/think that everything that we've seen so far (movies & TV shows) have been around from the very beginning back in 1977, when in fact, Lucas changed the story several times during the original trilogy- 1) Vader and Anakin were two separate characters, and 'Darth Vader' was the character's name, and not a Sith rank (like Darth Revan, Darth Maul, Darth Bane etc). 2) Han Solo shot 'only'. The original scene had Han shoot Greedo from beneath the table while Greedo talked, only later, Lucas didn't like how this made Han look, so for the 1997 special edition, he added Greedo shooting his blaster and missing Han's head. 3) Luke and Leia weren't related, and Leia's mother was still alive after she was born (her memories were from a little girl, not as a baby). 4) Boba Fett was supposed to be just a simple bounty hunter. Lucas didn't intend on his character to be anything more than that, and it seemed as though Lucas even had a slight dislike for Boba, which is evident in how he had him (originally) die in 'Return Of The Jedi' by having a blind Han Solo hit Boba's jetpack, he wildly flies off and hits Jabba's sail barge, then rolls right into the Sarlacc's mouth. In fact, the first place you see the word 'Mandalorian' is back in 1992 and through Dark Horse comics, both in the series 'Dark Empire' and in 'Tales Of The Jedi' (which was set 4000 years BBY). Lucas took a 'lot' of story material was from Dark Horse comics Star Wars run when he did the prequels, just as Disney is doing now. But of course, people want to continue claiming that Disney isn't and has done away with the EU/Legends material, but then, most people don't know the material and know even 'less' about Star Wars, a 'story' that I've followed since I was 11 years old in 1977. A story that, over the course of my life, see all of the plot holes and mis-steps done, not just with Disney, but by George Lucas. THAT is why I'm beginning to think that the entire story- Episodes One to Nine- needs to be rebooted, so to do away with any plot holes and things that just make the story look stupid (like Han stepping on Jabba's tail).

[@R3_dacted0]

#3 doesn't prove your point. Adoptive parents are a thing, which is in fact what Leia's parents where. She can remember her mother from when she was a little girl. Doesn't mean that she was her *biological* mother.

[@simondewitt7161]

I could not disagree more about needing to reboot Star Wars. The Disney trilogy is basically a reboot and it was terrible. We would just end up with 9 more terrible movies. (That we would all feel compelled to see). Everything is a reboot these days, just set some more stories in the universe. Rogue One was great. 1) That change was simple to make, just say Obi-Wan was lying to spare Luke the truth. The story is better with that change 2) Yeah its stupid how many times that scene was changed, but its also only like 3 seconds long so who really cares. 3)That one was definitely not as smooth of a change as making Darth Vader Luke's father. Though Leia could have somehow remembered Padme through the force, maybe she doesn't really remember her face but more of sensing the pain Padme was in due to Leia being force sensitive. 4)Its not Lucas's fault people grew attached to some random background character. The story wouldn't have been enhanced in anyway if Boba Fett didn't randomly get thrown into the Sarlac.

[@nicholashodges201]

Lucas didn't dislike Fett, he just didn't know how popular he was until after RotJ. By his own words, "If I knew how much everyone liked him, I wouldn't have had him for like that, he was just a random bad guy"

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Retcon or not, current canon is current canon. Also, read the A New Hope novelization. More that's new is canon than you think.

[@Charistoph]

Disney reintroducing Legends material is largely due to the guy who lead the Clone Wars and Rebels development. And if they did an Episode 1-9 Remaster, they could theoretically even have the Thrawn trilogy brought in to replace the mess of the Abrams' trilogy.

[@BoondockRoberts]

Also Luke had some trouble adjusting to the X-Wing at the start. Almost fried himself shooting too close to the Death Star surface and was damn near taken out by a Tie Fighter with Wedge saving his butt. Add that to the fact that R2 units are doing most the navigating anyways.

[@unigaming9921]

They did say "they let us go" and Tarkin and Vader's discussion implies that he let them go. Anyhow, your explanation simply ignores the fact that they are still treated as skilled and dangerous soldiers. On the technology one, you also forgot to mention that the prequels showed wealthy planets, while the originals were rebel bases and poor/desolate worlds. And on the Kessel Run. YOU waited. I didn't wait. People who actually asked instead of 'asked' didn't wait. We knew. The Kessel Run is not a straight path. Like any run, it's a complex area that people attempt to navigate. 12 parsecs was the shortest distance many, or all prior, attempts managed to pull off.

[@TommygunNG]

Problem with the Parsec explanation is that it addresses distance and navigation rather than speed. On the other hand... Even as "light-year" is a measure of distance--that is, how far a certain thing (light) travels in a year--a "parsec" could be how long a certain thing (unknown to us, but known to them by convention) takes to travel one parsec. Indeed, Han's point was about speed, not navigation. Taking a shortcut says nothing about speed capability. By the obvious explanation I laid out does.

[@unigaming9921]

@@TommygunNG It does actually work. He isn't simply bragging that the ship is fast, but that it is capable and he is skilled. If he can navigate the dangers of the run so well, certainly he has the ship, and skills, to accomplish any task they need.

[@TommygunNG]

@@unigaming9921 BEN: "Yes indeed, if it's a fast ship ." HAN: "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?" BEN: "Should I have?" HAN: "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs." He was talking about the ship and its speed, not himself. Indeed, even after telling how HE had outrun star destroyers, he says, "SHE'S fast enough for you, old man," not "I'm fast enough." If it was about his navigation, then the ship wouldn't matter. But in our hyper-literal environment the obvious explanation (beyond the writers being careless and not anticipating the increased sophistication of later generations viewing the movie) was ignored.

[@TommygunNG]

@@unigaming9921 It's kinda like how "knot" uses a distance to measure speed. How many standardized measures of a rope are extended out in a given measure of time is comparable to how much how much time it takes to cover a given measure of distance.

[@unigaming9921]

@@TommygunNG Your quotes support my side. He is stating the biggest bragging point of the Millennium Falcon. He isn't making a statement about the speed, he's making a statement about the prowess of the ship. "I haven't heard of your ship." "It's the ship that did the impossibly cool thing." It makes sense without needing any twisting, you are just choosing to interpret in a way that causes it to not make sense.

[@DoctorX17]

Solo’s rectification of the parsecs thing was brilliant Also I love the loving messages you throw in at the end

[@ShadowSearcher31]

And remember, Vader being a native to tatooine made him want to not go near there

[@baronwarborn9107]

Let's not forget that using the force will give you an edge in flying as in fighting as you have predictive abilities. Like the Spiderman sense on steroids.

[@brandonwooly]

Jules, your videos are the only videos I make sure I see to the end. Thank you for all your wonderful messages

[@roleplayer5564]

The Obi-Wan show shows that they knew there were Jedi and were actively hunting them.

[@jetfire1153red]

The video Devotes a whole section to the one about Luke being able to fly an X-Wing. What about the bit in the Phantom Menace Where Anakin jumps into an N1 starfighter and is able to fly the bloody thing When it is not even close to anything he has piloted before case in point he hasn’t even seen pictures of that starfighter and then he was a fly on the damn thing in combat no less.

[@FerDeLance06]

There's still one from A New Hope; why is Vader using a targeting computer? And let's not forget, Empire Strikes Back; in the opening crawl, it mentions Vader being obsessed with finding young Skywalker. Then, when we first see the Imperials, he says, "The rebels are there and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." Later, Palpatine tells him, "The rebel that blew up the Death Star is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker" and Vader asks how this is possible - like he's only just learned of Skywalker's existence. A little oversight there, perhaps?

[@ScooterBond1970]

It's slightly less problematic with the original version. Palpatine says "We have a new enemy: LUKE SKYWALKER" (without mentioning his parentage, obvs to maintain the twist) And Vader just replies "Yes Master" (not as in "if you say so" but rather as "yes I've heard of him"). The SpecEd did a major disservice to the original twist with its new dialog, all in service to retroactively turning Darth Vader into a Villain Protagonist.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

Plot holes: *The Ewoks built siege engines within walking distance of the bunker and no imperial patrol noticed. *Leia took the Falcon to Yavin even as she knew she was being tracked. Couldn't she stopped somewhere else and took an untraceable ship instead of knowingly leading the death Star to the Rebel HQ? *Why the Empire just disabled the Falcon's Hyperdrive in Bespin? why not disable the entire ship? Not a plot hole A structure the size of the Death Star would have hundreds of thousands of flaws (important or not), both design and construction. And that's before we take into account that it was a prototype built by a corrupt bureaucracy. There was no need for the idea that the venting port was an intentional sabotage. Run of the mill problems and incompetence are reason enough.

[@ScooterBond1970]

" *Why the Empire just disabled the Falcon's Hyperdrive in Bespin? why not disable the entire ship? " Because if they had disabled the whole ship, the heroes would have just found another ship to flee on. Then, during the mass exodus, the Empire would have no way to know which ship their quarry was on. By disabling only the hyperdrive, they get the heroes into the sky/space, in a recognizable ship, and by the time they realize the problem there's nowhere to go except straight into the Empire's hands.

[@Revkor]

add in if more then jsut Vader's personal command launched it be hundreads of fighters vs what 30? turkey shoot anyone

[@Dargonhuman]

The Ewoks built those traps to defend against natural predators. The Empire likely dismissed them as "too primitive to be a threat" to their advanced technology and armor.

[@siggejunell]

When you were promised a list of 10, but only gets 9...

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

If you read the Han Solo Trilogy, you didn't need to watch Solo to understand that the Kessel Run had nothing to do with time.

[@aestheticalrose4553]

In the EU novel, pre-Solo, The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi, they had a real funny fix for the parsec slip-up. In it, when Han says he made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs, we get a neat little internal monologue from Obi-Wan about how he knows that parsecs are a measure of distance, not time, and that this smarmy smuggler must use this line on a lot of people who don’t know better to impress them. Hence why after Han says it, Obiwan looks very unimpressed. I like that version better honestly, even if it is a bit cheesy 😂

[@potatoheadpokemario1931]

I liked the explanation that han solo lied about the kestle run. Also I expecting the hole in the death star, that's all so nessacary for it to function

[@Maximara]

Regarding 3:19 there are lines that imply the Stormtrooper _were_ ordered to miss : TARKIN: You're sure *the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship* ? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work. (...) Leia: That doesn't sound too hard. Besides, *they let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape.* HAN: Easy... you call that easy? LEIA: *They're tracking us!*

[@manmoth8833]

The is a scene were a commander says to Vader i hope your plan works and the tracker leads us to the rebel base. When they escape the death star, which would refer to a earlier order to not shoot to kill, and let them escape.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Luke said he used to bulls-eye womp-rats in Beggar's Canyon, "and they aren't much bigger than 2 meters!" Because of Episode I and The Book of Boba Fett, we know you really do need to be a hell of a pilot and just a little suicidal to zoom through Beggar's Canyon at ship speeds. Also... womp-rats are barely even a single meter. And he shot at them with a pneumatic air cannon IN Beggar's Canyon, a much lower-tech weapon than a computer-guided missile or smart reticle-aimed laser battery. So while everyone else in that briefing room must've thought "oh, this rube's bragging about doing drive-bys against these huge beasts out in the wilderness..." Biggs was probably dumbstruck that Luke was so massively underselling his abilities.

[@mannydavis7708]

"and did you have a thousand other, what did you call them, womp rats, shooting at you with blaster rifles? This is going to take a lot more that barnyard marksmanship, believe me." - from the original novelisation by Alan Dean Foster.

[@JustinSevenTwo]

Great points, just subscribed and I'm enjoying the video quite a lot! One small point, though nothing major, about technology regression @ 4:45. One innovation you see in the prequels and not the OT is guided missiles. Of course it's hard to imagine a convincing guided-missile chase sequence being shot (affordably) back in 1977, which seems a pretty good rule of thumb for it all.

[@RobertWF42]

Plot hole #11: How did Han Solo fly the Millennium Falcon to Bespin without a functioning hyperdrive!