No video

So Many Reasons the Kia Niro PHEV is an Amazing Car!!

  Рет қаралды 38,365

What Drives Us

What Drives Us

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 81
@FreakONaturale
@FreakONaturale 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, great consumer review with some nice real day-to-day use and results of a Kia Niro PHEV. It definitely has more insight, realistic consumer reaction, and realistic driving experience compared to the other quasi-professional reviews (some with a tinge of infomercialism). I'm a proud owner of a new 2019 Kia Niro PHEV as of April 6, 2019, and have been astounded by its economical performance, comfort, and overall driving experience in the first 7 weeks of ownership. I commute every weekday to work for a total round trip of 50.1 km (31.1 mi), as well as run errands on the weekend. When I filled up my Niro with gas for the very first time exactly 7 weeks after I took possession of the car, the odometer had just hit 2254 km (1400.6 mi), and the fuel efficiency was at 1.3 litres/100km (180.9 mpg). I think the performance of this PHEV is misunderstood, perhaps due to the lack of information provided to the consumer about some if its hybrid/EV components and how they work together. But on the flip side, Kia makes all these parts work very well together so people can just drive it without the knowledge of how it all works. In your video, you had mentioned a few times about the disappointment regarding the lack of electric motor torque that you had come to expect from other electric vehicles (EV) or plug-in electric vehicles (PHEV). Based on that comment, I'm going to assume that the other PHEV's you might be referring to are similar to the Chevy Volt or the Honda Clarity. The Niro is notably different than those vehicles because its design leans towards the hybrid powertrain while the other PHEV designs lean towards the EV powertrain. Think of the Volt and Clarity as plug-in electric vehicles with a gas engine used for a range extender, while the Niro is a hybrid vehicle with a large enough electric motor and extra battery to provide some EV capabilities and additional fuel economy. The Niro uses a 44.5 kW (60 hp) electric motor, which is much smaller than those other PHEV's. The Chevy Volt uses a 111 kW (149 hp) electric motor, and the Honda Clarity uses a 120 kw (181 hp) electric motor. Thus, based on these electric motor sizes, you can see why the Niro would not have the EV torque that the other PHEV's have. However, when it comes to rush hour traffic in most cities, 60 hp is all you need to quietly accelerate with the congested traffic and remain in EV mode. If you need to pass someone in a hurry, just hit the accelerator and the Niro will seamlessly pop into hybrid mode and provide gas and electric simultaneously to the wheels for the needed acceleration. Lastly, I think someone misled you about the pronunciation of Niro with a long 'i' (sounding like "styro"). It's pronounced with a short 'i' as in nih-ro, and I think Robert de Niro would probably agree with this as well. As further support to this, here's a names web page with some audio from different languages that clearly demonstrates this pronunciation: www.babynamespedia.com/pronounce/Niro
@wtfx5757
@wtfx5757 4 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for the Robert de Niro reference. Lmao
@runforit420
@runforit420 4 жыл бұрын
An excellent review! If you plug this car in every night and your commute is less than 26 miles a day, your car would use very little gasoline daily! I guess Kia decided not to include an electric resistance heater because I guess that would drop range in EV mode and force the ICE to start earlier. I guess it's a tradeoff between even lower EV range in winter (batteries won't provide the same amount of range in winter) with the electric resistance heater on versus the car switching into hybrid mode whenever heat is required.
@pkabatek
@pkabatek 3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I do and you are correct!
@collinriley4976
@collinriley4976 6 жыл бұрын
About the visor: my 2017 Kia Sedona has the same feature. I've owned two Kias, a Rondo and the Sedona, and have found both to be excellent cars. My daughter now owns the Rondo, and she's loving it also. I would like to get the future Kia Niro EV just for the experience, but at my age (75) it will never be. Great review!
@malemerson1048
@malemerson1048 5 жыл бұрын
Nice review. 2 quick points 1 Sport mode in pure EV wouldn’t be too sporty with with a mere 60 HP electric motor thus using the ICE in sport mode. 2 the car does have an electric heater. It is only 1 KW which won’t come close to heating a cold car interior thus the use of the ICE for heat. The ICE isn’t wasted when heating because it also charges the battery. It shuts down when heat is sufficient as well.
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 5 жыл бұрын
Aw man. Thanks, Mal. I really wish I'd have known about the ICE shutting off once the cabin is warm. Since it was summer when I was driving it, having the ICE come on at all was disconcerting. Had it been Winter, I would have discovered and it shutting off again. Thanks for the comment. I hope others see this and learn.
@zenornot9949
@zenornot9949 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Excellent Review - Everything you mentioned is accurate - I just got my Niro PHEV LX - so far loving it.
@grunf0094
@grunf0094 4 жыл бұрын
My Niro hybrid averages 70 mpg in regular summer commutes here in Canada, after mastering how to drive it efficiently.
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Keep up the good work!
@AsadKhan-yz9be
@AsadKhan-yz9be 2 жыл бұрын
Is it phev??or just hyb,rid?
@genierainbowmagick600
@genierainbowmagick600 Жыл бұрын
how did you master it? and what do you do?
@flynnjo1970
@flynnjo1970 4 жыл бұрын
That was a really great review. I have a good sense of the car and will definitely take it for my own test drive! Thanks.
@claytonroot806
@claytonroot806 6 жыл бұрын
Regarding the use of the engine to generate cabin heat, I think this is brilliant on Kia's part. They understand that it is more efficient to heat your body parts directly with heated seats and steering wheel rather than indirectly through the air. We have heated seats and steering wheel in another vehicle here in Canada and I rarely even think about turning up the cabin heat as I'm comfortable very quickly. Additionally, when that internal combustion engine in the Kia IS running (at idle) to generate heat, it is also charging the EV battery to maximize your range in electric mode (which is the whole point of buying a PHEV in the first place). By contrast, resistive heaters or heat pumps use considerable electrical energy (what heating appliance doesn't suck juice big-time) thus reducing your EV range at which point the engine would have to start earlier anyway. Of course Tesla or other full EV's have no choice but to use an electric heater as there is no engine heat available to assist. The Kia design also recovers some heat from the exhaust system as well as the coolant in the engine so engine warm up is VERY quick. The "Driver Only" button for Heating/AC is just another example of Kia's attention to detail in maximizing efficiency, along with their use of topography from the Navigation system to help determine when to engage the battery and regenerative braking. There's a lot of "sweating the details" throughout these vehicles. Regarding the use of a 6 speed dual clutch transmission, again I for one greatly appreciate Kia's choice. Never liked CVT's, never will but that's just my opinion which is shared by MANY others. Although an electric motor CAN generate maximum torque at a dead stop, it also uses MAXIMUM electrical current to do so. Ever see the lights in your home dim when an electric motor engages? That is due to the massive current being drawn to initially get that motor spinning. It's called "In-Rush Current". By putting a transmission in the loop, the electric motor doesn't have to work as hard when pushing through that 1st gear ratio to get moving, or when assisting going up a steep hill at which point the transmission will gear down a notch or two. I CAN appreciate that a CVT would mimic the same scenario. Each to his own I guess. Perhaps Kia partially chose this setup to reinforce their marketing strategy where they present this vehicle as the "UN-HYBRID" hybrid and tried to make it a more normal vehicle that doesn't scream out, "Hey look at me. I'm a tree hugger!" As you mentioned in your review, Kia under promises and over delivers. We just returned from a 2,000+ kilometer road trip yesterday. I keep ALL my fuel receipts and log them in a spreadsheet so I know exactly what my vehicles deliver in the way of fuel economy. We achieved an actual measured/calculated fuel economy of 4.67 litres/100 kilometers for the trip. That is over 15% better than the combined city/highway rating for our vehicle and quite impressive since this is the LEAST efficient model of the Niro with it's 18" wheels and tires. I would point out that the onboard fuel economy display was even more optimistic at 4.5 litres/100 km. On EVERY vehicle I've owned, those displays ALWAYS lie, but the Kia's is closer to the truth than most. WE also really appreciate that Kia makes their suite of technologies AVAILABLE to the masses without having to opt for a MUCH more expensive/larger vehicle. Things like memory seating for the driver, heated seats in the back as well as front, higher end Harmon Kardon audio system, that 120 volt outlet in the back, height adjustable passenger seat, tilt down exterior rear view mirrors when you put the vehicle in reverse, adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist, blind spot monitoring with rear cross path detection, parking sensors, etc. etc. We've had our Niro Hybrid Touring for about a month now and love it! We wanted the PHEV version but that's now not going to happen in Ontario due to the election of a "Climate Change Denying" premier who has cancelled ALL EV incentives. Kia has now decided not to bring this vehicle to Ontario although it is my understanding that it will still be available in more forward thinking provinces. In summary, the Kia Niro is a GREAT "Empty Nester" vehicle!
@wikusvandemerwe2762
@wikusvandemerwe2762 5 жыл бұрын
Clayton: The DCT transmission has lower parasitic losses than a CVT, although the Toyota version, which is more akin to a differential than a transmission, can make up for some of the losses with very careful interplay between the two motors and the combustion engine. I actually drive a Toyota Camry Hybrid, and just put down a deposit on a Niro PHEV -- one of only 12 available 2019 models (that's it for the year!) in western Canada. 48 Niro PHEVs for Canada total in 2019 model btw. Ford - the premier, not the car company - is a total mini-Trump whack-job. I can't understand why he was elected, other than catering to the moronic masses. It's a real piss off that EVs get nothing, while the oil companies in Canada get $3.3 billion a year. Ontario went from #1 to n/a. I'm really looking forward to my uber-rare Canadian-spec Niro PHEV!
@DiscoveryOwners
@DiscoveryOwners 6 жыл бұрын
First, in cold weather, the ICE engine is only on long enough to heat up the water for the heater, then it shuts off again. The ICE engine is NOT on all the time you drive. Second, the DCT not only makes the car more pleasant to drive, it is actually more fuel efficient than a CVT. Personally, I will not have another car with a CVT. Third, unless you make a panic stop, whenever you brake you are using regenerative braking. Of course, you also recharge the battery when coasting or going downhill. This is why I also get over 30 EV mode in my Niro PHEV. If you can do the math, it is fun to watch your overall range increase due to regen. Fourth, you did not mention the telematics or the fact that the infotainment system supports Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. The Niro telematics features an LTE connection, free BTW, and you can use a Kia app or Alexa to control or query your Niro from anywhere in the world. Very handy to program the car to be sure the interior of the car to whatever temperature you want at the time you leave or just on the spur of the moment before you leave the restaurant or mall. You can also program your charge times at home to use off-peak rate hours. The built in navigation uses Google Maps, huge point, easy searches. Bad point, traffic data comes from SiriusXM. But, if you use Kia navigation, it will automatically analyze your route for best fuel mileage using the battery. I drove mine from Missouri, where I purchased it, to Orlando, never plugged it in, and got 62.5 mpg. I easily go two months between gas fills. BTW, with the a/c on, my EV rated range is 24, but I still get at least 30. Fit and finish is fantastic. Overall, I much prefer to P85D. Yes, the Kia is considerably slower, less miles/kWh, and not really fun to drive by comparison, but considering everything, a no brainer. AP2 with summons is the only thing I miss.
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know of any Hybrids or Plug-In Hybrids which utilise a CVT - which are you referring to?
@DiscoveryOwners
@DiscoveryOwners 6 жыл бұрын
alanclarkeau , Toyota Honda and other econoboxes do. Performance cars, such as Porsche. and Bentley, don’t. I am not a fan of CVT or ECVT with their fake gears/paddle shifters.
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 6 жыл бұрын
Not sure how Honda does it. TOYOTA hybrid or PHEVs don't use a CVT, like in a belt drive - no belts in sight. The PRIUS PRIME will always run in EV mode using 2 Motor Generators to drive the car until the hybrid battery is depleted (unless full throttle is applied) - then kicks the ICE in as necessary, acting like a PRIUS hybrid. PRIUS is similar, but only drives through the larger Motor Generator - always starts in EV mode, and brings the ICE as necessary through a planetary gearset. The DCT would have to be better than VW's hesitant versions. I haven't driven IONIQ yet, which is being released here next month, but local journalists in a report I read last week reported hesitation - their words "Hybrid/DCT pairing has occasional hiccup" and "lacks in smoothness in stop/start traffic". I'll wait to drive the DCT to see if I prefer it to my PRIUS.
@DiscoveryOwners
@DiscoveryOwners 6 жыл бұрын
www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-toyota-prius-in-depth-model-review-2018-toyota-prius-engine-and-transmission-review-car-and-driver-page-2
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 6 жыл бұрын
Car and Driver needs to do some research. And drive one for a longer. There is nothing "standard" about the transmission. Forget Car and Driver - they'd be wondering why a PRIUS doesn't sound like a Corvette or Viper. Have a look at Tony Schaefer's review - it's realistic: priuschat.com/threads/2016-prius-in-review.162370/
@albergan3174
@albergan3174 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony, nice review, that off the line acceleration thing you feel is the DCT , DuaL Clutch Transmission. It helps losses at highway speds. Not many hybrids have them.
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It bothered me so much that day that I looked it up. I had planned on going into detail about it on subsequent days but didn't a very good job of that.
@wmmunn
@wmmunn 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhatdrivesUs they have to run the electric motor through the standard drivetrain / DCT as it has to hand off back and forth with the gasoline engine when it needs more power or cuts back over to regular hybrid mode
@narphizoid
@narphizoid 6 жыл бұрын
Most east-asian languages feature a limited range of vowel sounds: Korean uses (these are approximations) "a" as in "hot", "e" as in "bet", "i" that's between "bit" and "beat", "o" as in "over" and "u" as in "book" (but with a bit of lip-pucker, as in French). When transliterated into English they use double-vowels to create what English-speakers call "long vowel sounds": "ai" as in "kite", "ei" as in "wait", "ou" as in "shoe". One pronounces "Hyundai" as "HYOON-dye", "Kia" as "KEY-ah" and, therefore, "Niro" as "KNEE-row". If Kia wanted us to pronounce it as "NYE-row" they'd have spelled it, "Nairo".
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 6 жыл бұрын
That is quite possibly one of the best explanation I’ve ever read. If I had a gold star, I’d award it to you. Here ya go: ⭐️
@thesoundsmith
@thesoundsmith 4 жыл бұрын
Tony has the low-rent version. We got the Touring model.My main issue with this car is the transmission/acceleration from stop to freeway speed. We also have a 2016 Kia Soul EV+, which has fantastic acceleration, this transmission lags at the precise times I need it to punch - at around 19-25MPH and 45-65. I like the safety features (the reason I chose it rather than the Honda Clarity (that and that stupid lower rear window) even though it gets almost double the battery range. I consider it the "old man's car" - to be fair, i AM 77, but I still like rapid response. So overall I am satisfied, but not elated like I was when we got the Soul. (And then there's the matter of two electric cars with a one-hose charger, so we have to plan our schedule in advance. Usually not a huge problem, I just charge the Niro in regular hours and save the low-rate charge for the 88 mile Soul.) But if you are seriously considering this car, those are the only real issues I have found.
@rchiuz01
@rchiuz01 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. I wish this was out before I got the regular Niro Hyb but I guess it wasn’t meant to be. Continue the good work
@pbasswil
@pbasswil 5 жыл бұрын
Re. pronunciation: Manufacturers try to choose car names that won't be a problem in major car markets, and the USA is certainly one of them. If 'Ni-Ro' doesn't sound natural for local tongues, it probably isn't. Kia USA would probably prefer a consensus, so that it quickly becomes familiar. But as long as they sell cars, they don't care! Did you know that North America is the only place in the world where 'Nikon' is pronounced 'NI-kon'? (It's Nih-kon in the UK; Nee-kohn in many other places...) They don't care! And the USA is the only English-speaking place where Iran & Iraq start with the personal pronoun 'I'. I vote Neero for North America.
@elcharphe
@elcharphe 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good review. I'm really curious about how this car stacks up to your Prime. Based on other reviews I have seen, I thought the big strength of the Prime was that it is quite a bit more fuel efficient in hybrid mode than any of the other PHEVs. But your comments about the MPG you got on your commute with the Niro left me with the impression that it got the best mileage you have seen.
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 6 жыл бұрын
I'm inclined to believe that the 81.8MPG was the result of starting with a fully-charged hybrid pack (since I'd just switched from EV to Hybrid. The return drive of 60 is probably a better average test. To be honest, I haven't (intentionally) tested my Prime in the same way. But now I think I have to.
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 6 жыл бұрын
I want to add that [exclusively between the two] the Prime currently wins because of the smoother CVT and because it doesn't use the ICE for heat. In the depth of Winter, I was squeaking out 25 miles of EV range in the Prime, which is funny since that's the EPA estimate. Since the Niro uses the ICE for heat, my EV range would be 0 miles.
@barryhaeger4284
@barryhaeger4284 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think KIA have tried to model the effect of gears when you pull away in EV mode. KIA/Hyundia Hybrid Power-train Platform puts the drive from both electric motor and ICE through the 6 speed Dual Clutch Transmission.
@write2toonces
@write2toonces 5 жыл бұрын
Nice, detailed verbal review, but this is a podcast. What's the point of watching a video when the visual content is all focused on a talking guy?
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 5 жыл бұрын
Fair enough. We need more and better visuals. Thanks!
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 5 жыл бұрын
Tony here. I've had different requests. I used to do exclusively walk-around reviews and then someone asked what it was like to actually drive the car. So I did a driving impressions review and someone asked why there were no images of the car. So now I do two reviews. This is, of course, a driving impressions review. Unfortunately, I hadn't started doing both reviews when I did this one. But thanks for your feedback; it is because of feedback like this that I've started doing both reviews.
@gibby35412
@gibby35412 2 жыл бұрын
Can you turn the safety tech off? If so, does it keep it off every time you start the car? Thanks.
@mogensandersen8366
@mogensandersen8366 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, I´v seen a German review, here the safety sheet says that the PHEV also has the normal hybrid 1.5 Kw battery located under the rear bench. That is properly why you get more miles than it displays to you.
@mogensandersen8366
@mogensandersen8366 6 жыл бұрын
this one, around 28:20 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXa2ZKqva8l7otE
@ryanm347
@ryanm347 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t watch this I’m falling asleep
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome for the soporific .
@AsadKhan-yz9be
@AsadKhan-yz9be 2 жыл бұрын
Sir can u try to get it mileage on ev within city instead of motorway runs? And how many miles it gives
@TimC883
@TimC883 6 жыл бұрын
To heat in cold weather the engine is only at idle to run the heat. You still run on electric until the battery runs down. In testing the fuel used for the heating necessary for less than 30 miles is so small it's not even measurable. My best guess is less than 0.1 gal at most.
@DiscoveryOwners
@DiscoveryOwners 6 жыл бұрын
That is the problem with KZbin reviews, not always correct information.
@jimmyb7474
@jimmyb7474 5 жыл бұрын
great video from the best channel on utube. do you still get 26 miles on a,charge. how much does it cost to charge. thank you and keep up the good work
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Jimmy. Thanks for the kind words. The Niro PHEV has a 8.9 kWh battery pack. I pay roughly 8 cents per kWh. So each full charge costs me roughly 71 cents. Some people get wrapped around the idea that my electric bill increased when I bought a PHEV (Prius Prime, in my case). What they fail to understand is that the 26 miles of EV range costs me 71 cents while they are driving 26mpg cars and paying $2.00+ in gasoline for the same range. In my case it's even better because there are free chargers at work for employees. So I only pay 71 cents per day. My coworkers pay $4.00+ for their round-trip commute each day. Averaging 22 work days per month, it's comparing $15.62 in electricity to $88.00+ in gasoline. So yeah, my electric bill increased by $15 but my overall car fuel cost dropped by ~$72. As a show regular, I'm sure you didn't need the explanation. I provided it here for those who are new to the economics of PHEVs and EVs.
@Fussybee
@Fussybee 9 күн бұрын
I love how unaffected this reviewer is. Just the nonchalant facts and experiences.
@vladimirtsetsokha2102
@vladimirtsetsokha2102 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice review
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙂
@narphizoid
@narphizoid 5 жыл бұрын
Am I missing the part where you realize that this is a PLUG-IN HYBRID and not a full EV? Just like any other hybrid, the Niro uses a combination of ICE and electric motor to move the vehicle. It might switch back and forth between modes, but it's not two distinct power-plants: The electric motor and the gasoline engine are integrated into one unit that then sends motive force through the DCT to turn the wheels.
@ltkwok2961
@ltkwok2961 5 жыл бұрын
It seems like you are getting better than the EPA EV range because you are driving at 40's Mph. If I remember correctly, under ideal conditions, a test was able to get over 400 miles out of a Tesla Model 3 (250 EV range) doing the 30's on a circular track over 6 hours.
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. My daily route typically takes me along mostly residential roads at speeds in the 40s. Over the years of talking with people about their commutes, I have found this to be the most typical. There have been several people doing “out of the ordinary” things to achieve unexpectedly high returns. For example, the Tesla run you mention. Back in 2005 a small group drive a Prius on a circular track and achieved in excess of 110 MPG (at the unrealistic speed of 18 mph on average). I try to review affordable cars in normal conditions and provide real feedback for average people. It might be fun to watch someone do 0-60 in a $100,000 car, but that doesn’t help my buddy when he’s searching the market. Where I do excel, however, is through my 15 years of hybrid driving and hypermiling, which has taught me to almost always exceed EPA expectations. In fact I’m doing a video series about it. Check our playlists for the series. Thanks for watching the review and adding your comment!
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 6 жыл бұрын
Your comment about not being able to adjust settings on the dashboard - PRIUS does that too. It lets you do some things, but others you can't. But annoying. What is really annoying on PRIUS is if you want to select someone from your Phone-List to ring them, it won't let you - just greys them out. Even if it's the passenger who is doing the selecting. What it will do is allow you to re-dial someone in the re-dial list. Do you know if Niro PHEV allows you to do this?
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 6 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of things I just didn't have the time to test. Also, I am really hesitant to sync my phone with a loaner car, especially to sync other people's contact info. So no, I don't know about the Niro PHEV contact list. However, in my Prius Prime, I can only browse a couple pages of USB songs before I get the message that I should pull over if I want to browse more. That is particularly annoying.
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 6 жыл бұрын
:) I tend to listen to PODCASTS on USB in the car - like What Drives Us etc. I use the CD player if I'm listening to music - quality is much better.
@xalau5270
@xalau5270 6 жыл бұрын
how about using the heated seats insetead of using the heater? I thingk it would be warm enough to avoid using the car heater
@fLaMePr0oF
@fLaMePr0oF 6 жыл бұрын
They haven't 're-produced' anything; the entire power train goes through a 6 speed dual clutch automatic transmission, there is no direct drive from the EV motor. The reason they have opted for this kind of transmission rather than a CVT may be related to driver experience; i.e. the 'sportier' feeling of a traditional transmission in general at the expense of some torque at the lower end, but is more likely due to the fact that a dual clutch transmission is more efficient as there is far lower parasitic loss than with a CVT.
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 6 жыл бұрын
I would have thought that the TOYOTA eCVT (and similar used by FORD and CHRYSLER) on hybrids would have less parasitic loss as they're a direct EV drive via an epicyclic gearset which links both Motor/Generators and the Engine.
@fLaMePr0oF
@fLaMePr0oF 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not qualified to argue this from an engineering perspective but this is the consensus I've seen from those who are; CVTs lose more to friction (as it is a constant operational loss) than with a modern dual clutch auto gearbox where it only occurs during changes and is managed very efficiently.
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau 6 жыл бұрын
You could be right with the DCT, it might have lower losses? - though the DCT still has a full (actually 2) gearbox conventional gearset to drive through, so losses could be still significant, but better than a conventional automatic. Yes, a normal CVT in say a Honda, Subaru, Nissan etc - drives through a belt - and as such has friction losses. Prius & Lexus (& Ford/Chrysler hybrids), don't drive through a belt, but the Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) is a "simple" solution where the drive is direct, from 2 Electric Motors and an Engine into a planetary gearset which directly drives the axles. TOYOTA never calls it a CVT - but does in places refer to it as an e-CVT. They advise that operational losses are one of the lowest - TOYOTA published that the latest PRIUS has 20% less mechanical loss due to friction than previous versions, which were better than most conventional transmissions. The driveability is the key factor - PRIUS is smooth as anything. Local journalists tested IONIQ (shares the drivetrain) recently and reported "Hybrid/DCT pairing has occasional hiccup" and "lacks in smoothness in stop/start traffic". Russell Frost concurs with driveability - "it's not as smooth ... a hesitation ... and I find that really frustrating, the hesitation, it bugs the %#@ out of me".
@abelardoconesa9512
@abelardoconesa9512 5 жыл бұрын
The Niro PHEV has a dual clutch 6 six eco transmission. This car is not a reduction gear transaxle. Like an battery only EV.
@petropzqi
@petropzqi 4 жыл бұрын
The battery charges downhill and when you break.
@robertirish4485
@robertirish4485 6 жыл бұрын
The electric motor driving through the DCT does seem odd. Am I correct in assuming that in EV mode the clutch is fully engaged when the car is stationary? Meaning the car moves off without the need to slip the clutch, also enabling the car to "creep" very slowly in traffic without overheating the clutch? It seems pointless having to slip a clutch with an electric motor! I don't know if you can sense this when driving or if Kia would have to confirm how it operates at low speeds. Thanks for the review, I really enjoyed the video.
@fLaMePr0oF
@fLaMePr0oF 6 жыл бұрын
This is standard for hybrids as the two motors need to be be managed through a single power train. Only all electric vehicles are direct drive and enjoy the increased torque of the electric motor. Just look at the 0-60 stats for hybrids and you'll see they are comparable to or worse than standard fuel cars in every case.
@wtfx5757
@wtfx5757 4 жыл бұрын
I would also like to know the answer to this question.... Did you get a an answer yet? Slipping the clutch in EV mode shouldn't be right?
@christolito
@christolito 6 жыл бұрын
Hows the Niro on long drives? I live in Sweden, and sometimes drive up north (11-12 hour drives)...
@kubiyoshi2744
@kubiyoshi2744 4 жыл бұрын
Few times you compared this car to the electric car but it is a hybrid and its bit different than electric car.
@victorradu9645
@victorradu9645 6 жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert: Niro doesn't replicate the gears. It actually has 6 gears and more than one clutch. Good review overall but it would be more useful to show the dash when you are talking about the dash and so on...
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. After the first day or two I looked up the 6-gear double-clutch. I intentionally go into the reviews without upfront research because I want to experience it and review it from an average person’s perspective, not a car geek. And about the dash shots: I am usually pretty good about that and kick myself for totally spacing on this one. Thanks for taking the time to watch the review!
@berjyacoubian6173
@berjyacoubian6173 6 жыл бұрын
You know what's interesting? That someone don't know anything about cars reviewing a car
@pbasswil
@pbasswil 5 жыл бұрын
Tony, question for you: Could a full-size spare tire fit flat in the cargo area, (with the back seats up in normal position)?? TIA!
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 5 жыл бұрын
I did a little research. The cargo area is roughly 43”wide x 33” deep to the back of the back seats. The Niro uses P205/60R16 tires, which have a diameter of 25.7”. So it sounds like yes, a full-size spare would fit in the cargo area.
@pbasswil
@pbasswil 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony, thanks for taking the trouble - very kind of you! I'm glad about this; as a (sometimes traveling) musician, I need the security of a quick recovery from a flat - showtime will not wait! Especially for frigid hands to mess around with puncture repair kits in a Canadian February... Cheers to you.
@petropzqi
@petropzqi 4 жыл бұрын
No the electric motor use the same gearbox as the petrol engine
@Pengellyb204
@Pengellyb204 5 жыл бұрын
Great video review.....STOP saying NYRO, it sounds rediculous
@user-qh3rr7uh2k
@user-qh3rr7uh2k 4 жыл бұрын
ممكن باللغة العربية
@nickshinton3249
@nickshinton3249 3 жыл бұрын
Worse review i have ever seen. If you are going to review a car at least have the understanding of how it works. The dct is always in use even in electric only mode. Other hybrids use a CVT gearbox. You can't even get the pronunciation of the name correct FFS
@WhatdrivesUs
@WhatdrivesUs 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Nick, for taking the time to provide your criticism of our work. I would return the favor but it would appear you haven't taken any initiative whatsoever to create and publish videos of your own. Oh how awesome is the head rush of launching insults from the high chair of deficiency. Make sure to let us know when you upload an Oscar worthy example of absolute perfection such that we can stride to aspire to your expectations. Had you watched the entire video, you'd have seen the discussion about the pronunciation and the snippet from the Kia commercial in which the announcer pronounces Niro exactly the same way. Perhaps you should consider that the same word might be pronounced differently in different countries, FFS. One last thing: "worse" is comparative; "worst" is absolute. If you are going to take the time to lob insults, please get it right.
@DigitalStrom117
@DigitalStrom117 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣😝😝😝😆😆😜 NIRO
2018 Kia Niro Plug In Hybrid Review / Comparison - In 4K
28:49
Auto Buyers Guide | Alex on Autos
Рет қаралды 168 М.
Charging while driving - Kia Niro PHEV
16:46
CAC
Рет қаралды 29 М.
SPILLED CHOCKY MILK PRANK ON BROTHER 😂 #shorts
00:12
Savage Vlogs
Рет қаралды 46 МЛН
Logo Matching Challenge with Alfredo Larin Family! 👍
00:36
BigSchool
Рет қаралды 20 МЛН
Comfortable 🤣 #comedy #funny
00:34
Micky Makeover
Рет қаралды 16 МЛН
The "Crossover" With A Plug | 2020 Kia Niro PHEV
24:25
Auto Buyers Guide | Alex on Autos
Рет қаралды 95 М.
2018 Kia Niro Plug-in - Redline: Review
21:43
Redline Reviews
Рет қаралды 202 М.
Kia Niro Plug In / Full Review ( ENG)
14:26
Auto Start Test
Рет қаралды 29 М.
How To Drive A PHEV Properly (Plug-In Hybrid - High MPG)
15:00
Electric Vehicle Man
Рет қаралды 340 М.
Kia Niro PHEV 2018 - Charing
10:32
CAC
Рет қаралды 24 М.
2020 KIA Niro PHEV Review
22:36
My Niro PHEV
Рет қаралды 28 М.
2019 Kia Niro SUV PHEV LX Overview
17:19
Tech Angel
Рет қаралды 9 М.
Kia Niro PHEV 2018 - EV range on motorway
9:52
CAC
Рет қаралды 20 М.
2018 Kia Niro PHEV Test Drive - 50 MPG Never Looked So Good
24:08
Here's the 2018 Kia Niro PHEV Crossover on Everyman Driver
11:32
Everyman Driver
Рет қаралды 29 М.