Protein is not protein. Here's why

[@WhatIveLearned]

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[@DumbledoreMcCracken]

Height is pronounced "heit"

[@Boddah.]

Veganism will cause brain damage.

[@siddoo6778]

how do you have a diaas score of >100%?

[@WhatIveLearned]

@@DumbledoreMcCracken I've been saying it "hëgt" this whole time... why didn't anyone tell me sooner...

[@WhatIveLearned]

@@siddoo6778 It's to account for the fact that protein sources with scores above 100 can complement protein with low scores. See the milk and cereal example. Note that 100g of a 114% DIAAS protein does not mean 114g of utilizable protein. It's still 100.

[@simonblackburn6007]

Reminds me of a saying in the bodybuilding community: you aren’t what you eat. You are what you absorb.

[@Nickpaintbrush]

Frank Zane said that!

[@simonblackburn6007]

@@Nickpaintbrush one of my favourite body builders!

[@thefisherking78]

Damn, that's great

[@darklight6921]

thats right. get your turkesterone pills now.

[@shadow_realm47]

@@darklight6921 :P

[@issuma8223]

You will get your protein from bugs, and you will be happy.

[@valeriaburina]

That's nice to know

[@KarlosJKarlos]

Can't wait for the Great Reset.

[@jabr991]

Lol

[@Dimitar11]

Long live WEF 🤣

[@road2dawn26]

Get in the pod, it's for your protection

[@tonyprice2256]

I am 66. I used to be overweight, and was plagued by several chronic health conditions for decades. I began intermittent fasting aggressively by eating just one big meal per day about two years ago. I cut out sugars, all highly processed junk 'foods' and drastically reduced the carb intake. I have been preparing everything i have eaten from fresh real foods, mostly local organic, non GMO veggies and locally raised free range meat and dairy products. In the first two months, i lost about 60 pounds of excess fluids and body fat, and soon after that i began reversing every chronic health condition i had for decades, and all without any increase in daily exercise or activity. But now i do exercise more. I am healthier and stronger than i was ten years ago. It is like aging in reverse! I use no pharmaceutical products - prescribed or over the counter for any reason whatsoever. My best wishes to you on your own journey to better health and well being!

[@theselector4733]

Excellent. Well done. In regards to dairy; Do you drink milk? And if so, is it organic, raw and unpasteurised? Thanks

[@tonyprice2256]

@@theselector4733 Thank you! I used to drink a lot of milk, but haven't used much of it for years now. All i use these days is small amounts of half and half produced by a local farmer in my daily two cups of morning coffee. I do consume cheese pretty much every day. The cheese is usually either goat cheese or cheese made from raw cow milk, and all of it from local dairy farmers.

[@abigaillee1229]

That is amazing! I should do what you did😀👏🏻

[@tonyprice2256]

@@abigaillee1229 I really believe you can. If i can do it, i believe that almost anybody can. My best wishes to you on your journey to better health and well being!

[@abigaillee1229]

@@tonyprice2256 Thank you so much!

[@BillEarl]

Whenever hearing about the latest nutritional study it is always worth finding out who funded it. Nutritional studies have been described by more than one scientist as the lowest form of science. There have been too many researchers who have been bought by the big food conglomerates. General Mills, Post, and Kellogs fund a lot of the research and they ain't paying for anything that does not reflect well on their products. The history of research over the last 40-50 years is not entirely kosher.

[@cherubin7th]

Currently the vegan industry has the most venture capital investment.

[@salamander2468]

​@@cherubin7thsource? That seems questionable but I'm curious at the same time

[@RomeTWguy]

Source is I made it up

[@rissa7059]

100% agree

[@OdinsSage]

All the animal agriculture big names have poured a lot into studies as well. Same with energy drink companies like powerade & gatorade. It REALLY matters who the study was funded by. Any study that has a conflict of interest in the funding should just be thrown out, any conclusions from such a study are just too sus.

[@NoOctopuss]

I recently saw Dr Paul Mason point out a study where people eating oysters absorbed less zinc from the oysters when combined with black beans or corn, as opposed to oysters on their own. How nutrient absorption goes down with food combinations was news to me - and I think a very important discussion point for another video.

[@Odesawaan]

This topic got covered by WIL in "Why is Nutrition Science so Complicated?" 2 years ago. You should go check it out.

[@NoOctopuss]

@@Odesawaan thanks! I forgot! I watched that when it came out, but it's been a while!

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

oppsite is also true. Most of meats negative health effect disappear when cooked and consumed with thoroughly cooked veggies

[@Clobercow1]

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br What negative health effects exactly?

[@sonarbuge7958]

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br ‘meats negative health affects’ lmao that’s a myth

[@punkdigerati]

I feel there needs to be a better breakdown of recommended protein per body weight, because it makes a difference if someone is at 40% body fat vs 10-15% body fat.

[@TheWoWBane]

Well, it depends on your goals. But more protein is almost always better, despite having different goals. Protein is a positive partioning food, and will keep you more satiated.

[@50shadesofcerakote]

I heard somewhere, If you wanna gain muscle, you need to ingest 1 gram of protein per 1lb of body weight. So if youre 150lbs, you need to ingest 150grams.

[@x2lazy2die]

basically that number is for the "average" american, or wherever it is published. having fat doesn't increase ur protein requirements (unless its being burned for energy because u're starving). so basically adjust that amount by the avg body fat. get a number that is X protein per lean muscle mass and hope u can estimate ur body fat accuractely. that being said, i aim for 1g per 1lb of lean body weight as a "bodybuilder" not really, i just like going to the gym and lifting heavy weights. im like 6'0 93kg with a flexed 6 pack so im guessing i'm around 13-15% bodyfat so i aim for like 175g of protein

[@goku445]

The recommended protein per body weight is of course based on lean body weight.

[@TheSpecialJ11]

Because not everyone can easily measure their lean body mass, the rules of thumb are generally given based on what you can read from a step scale, but the actual science is based on lean body mass, which is much harder to measure. You can of course make estimates based on BMI and height to waist ratio as to how much body fat you have and adjust numbers accordingly, but if I'm being honest, so long as you're not pounding nothing but protein powder, it is very hard to consume too much protein.

[@cmw3737]

I find it odd that we talk about protein as if it's a monoculture when there are so many types. Breaking it down into the separate amino acids makes far more sense. We totally need to have it on the labels.

[@peterpan408]

Considering the completeness and balance of proteins a next level activity.

[@GaryHighFruit]

@@peterpan408 "next level activity." Actually, it's a past activity. ...based on the outdated science Joseph is spreading.

[@bodyrumuae2914]

Some kind of do, if they add an amino acid they may add it on the ingredients at least. While looking into better shampoos and other things I came across one shampoo bar, "modern mammals" brand, they list Brassicyl Valinate Esylate, which is a lipid derived from the valine amino acid.

[@chrismitchell6478]

I think it's because for the vast majority of our history, protein meant animal based products and they have a more balanced distribution of what nutrients make up the protein. So you were getting all the amino acids needed in a balanced manor. Now that people are looking to change where we traditionally looked to get our protein from we need to change how we suggest the requirement.

[@bodyrumuae2914]

@@chrismitchell6478 "traditionally look to get protein" isn't a universal thing. A number of ancient cultures have long been vegetarian, so they wouldn't be getting protein from animal flesh.

[@BigDGolf-23]

You can also combine different types of proteins to generate a higher amino acid synthesis. For example, pasta + salmon. There more types of protein the higher likelihood of prolamine being formed. ** I see that that was added into this video.

[@jasondashney]

Rice/beans, but that's not animal so it's ignored even though it's one of the most widely eaten complete proteins in the world. Instead he talked about white bread/peanut butter.

[@nicholasm3265]

​@@jasondashneyeven though it's complete like pbj. Still not that high dias

[@kowikowi8718]

Eggs+potatoes for example are a great Combo If you dont eat meat

[@tynoniewiem3221]

​ @jasondashney ​ yeah he dosen t combine eggs with vegetables for example still talking about vegetarian diet not vegan but talks about bread with peanut butter... everybody knows that peanut butter sandwich is not the best source of protein

[@zigotina]

yeah can you buy me salmon every day?

[@aleenaprasannan2146]

Learning about bioavailability completely changed the way I thought about food. As somebody who is from a culture that never eats green leafy vegetables without thoroughly cooking it down, it was always wierd to see people from the western hemisphere eat leafy green raw or barely blanched....After learning about bioavailability, I have started to appreciate a lot of such traditional cooking and combinations because they were all enhancing bioavailability...like cooking down green, fermentation of fiber rich veggies, using spices like turmeric and blackpepper in combination, intake of turmeric with some kind of fatty product like fatty fish or milk or red meat soups or stocks, tempering of spices in oil which increases the bioavailability of a lot of beneficial substances, certain high carb- low protein combination for better tryptophan bioavailability...

[@ahnafj416]

Wow I appreciate my mom's cooking and my cultural foods more now

[@juicingfactor1463]

But is there a link between western diets and athleticism? Can you recall the last time our country won Olympic gold? Our country is consistently at the bottom. We must have the worst performance when you consider our country has 1 billion people.

[@archockencanto1645]

@@juicingfactor1463 That ignores a TON of other factors like: Free time Extra money Leisure facilities Cultural importance of athleticism Funding from the government or other groups Access to qualified trainers/supervisors And many more

[@davruck1]

the truth is modern western science is primitive. It just has better PR and bigger guns.

[@Mr371312]

@@juicingfactor1463 respect for looking at it that unbiased. It is very tasty though,I love your food. But I believe that also came out of necessity, to make rather poor quality proteins equally palatable.

[@FactLOCO]

Normal human being: - "Not all proteins are made equal" KZbinr: -"Protein is not protein"

[@miming3679]

A KZbinr is a unique form of human where he serves to appease the click bait algorithm gods

[@str8jenn.nochaser]

I could simply replace meat everytime he said plants and it's not complete for functioning humans either 😕

[@stupidrainbo]

That that is is that that is not.

[@sawlty-suite5131]

A KZbinr is not a KZbinr

[@rizvan1632]

@@str8jenn.nochaser What does meat lack when it comes to a functioning human's protein needs?

[@theyrekrnations8990]

It would be great to see a list of the complimentary amino acids that would combine to increase the effectiveness, such as peanut butter combined with milk

[@emmameeker6639]

a lot of common staple combinations actually create a complete protein, such as rice and beans. it's probably why humans have combined these two types of foods throughout every culture

[@CookinginRussia]

There are NO combinations that replace meat. Key amino acids of methionine and cysteine are only readily absorbed from cooked meat, and no supplement will replace them.

[@theyrekrnations8990]

@@CookinginRussia The reason for asking is that meat may become scarce

[@CookinginRussia]

@@theyrekrnations8990 - There are 26 BILLION chickens alone. The only way protein would be scarce is if you are too broke to afford it.

[@theyrekrnations8990]

@@CookinginRussia I sure do hope you're right

[@augustrose4589]

Bruh I was convinced until I decided to check out their sources on all these claims he’s making and they have disclaimers in these “research articles” stating they were funded by the National Dairy Council and what not. And these articles are so lack luster. Ive never seen shorter reports in my life 💀 Fake data who?

[@ninezerotwo1778]

You're a smart guy

[@lakhwinder1277]

Damnnn

[@jsfueston1]

Thanks for doing the homework!

[@EcoSuicide-r4b]

Yes but if you go as far as to try a veggie diet vs omnivore diet you will find that eggs and beef really are quality for absorption

[@zazarays]

Are you saying meat milk and eggs isn't going to be a better protein source then f****** bread?

[@biolayne1]

Thanks for including me in the video. I’m glad the information was helpful!

[@naturelpowerliftingbrucewa7124]

Sir you approve this guy?

[@bablusonavne384]

@@naturelpowerliftingbrucewa7124 I can guess and say most probably not.

[@EhurtAfy]

@@naturelpowerliftingbrucewa7124 Approve this guy? Isn't that kind of a silly statement? Why are we approving a whole person based on a protein video? Wouldn't a better question be, "Do you approve the information and conclusions as presented in this video? Edit: Layne Norton has also shat on the Game Changers documentary for similar reasons as included in this video

[@naturelpowerliftingbrucewa7124]

@@EhurtAfy yea that might be better statement

[@WhatIveLearned]

Of course! Appreciated you bringing some pertinent points to the Game Changers discussion

[@exelibrium]

I think your channel is the one I truly appreciate the most of on the entirety of YT. All the work put into research, graphics and actually presenting the quotes. Just fantastic. Keep it up!

[@sergedotcom]

Agree agree agree. His video on *keto changed my life. *fasting

[@zephyrlibs]

You know it is a biased cherry picked view right?

[@sergedotcom]

@@zephyrlibs youre cherry picked and biased

[@danskins2722]

I strongly agree with this statement.

[@Psalm_23]

@@zephyrlibs he literally provided proof. Where's the cherry picking

[@kapoiokati7566]

This video feels like we are back to what we thought of protein 10+ years back.

[@sulphuricaciduk]

If you're using studies paid for by animal agriculture as your research, that's what you get.

[@AravindKumar-lj7kx]

@@sulphuricaciduk vegan spotted

[@hammy9800]

@@AravindKumar-lj7kx don't needa be vegan to acknowledge how far this goes.

[@Anton-rs8uo]

@@AravindKumar-lj7kx vegan/unhealthy human* spotted.

[@kapoiokati7566]

@@Anton-rs8uo alright you got us. On the other hand, how could you not? Every one minutes a vegan dies from protein deficiency. Quick maths. Not that hard.

[@evans7771]

I am vegetarian. Veggeterians should be conscious not only of B12 but also of protein intake. The things i do to solve for low bioavailability is drinking a whey protein shake daily on top of the point where you hit your macros. Eating multiple types of food together as described. Additionally BCAA's powder which you can add to say your protein shake which has specific amino acids. Something I've heard mentioned that i didn't see covered here is if there is a limit to how much protein your body can use when ingested in one sitting. There is some discussion that weather multiple protein meals are better than consuming all at once.

[@timexyemerald6290]

I think you should be eating all of those together if your body can consume limited amount of it.

[@msmysticstorytime]

author Solon-Biet found that "although BCAAs exert muscle-building benefits, excessive intake may reduce lifespan, increase appetite, lead to weight gain and have a negative impact on mood."Jul 21, 2021

[@vishnupriya4551]

By consuming the protein from the eggs or the meat as in the example of the calories, you would still need to consume extra calories from other foods to complete your other macros and vitamin and mineral requirements. At the end there wouldn’t be a huge difference in the amount of calories. You can’t eat only protein, you need a bunch of other nutrients.

[@Tera5]

Also many other things like omega 3 and other essential things in mest

[@thevoid0017]

​@@vishnupriya4551300-500 grams of multi grain flour Bread, 75 grams of protein from chicken, 50 grams from beef , 25 grams from Yogurt or milk, 3 whole eggs+ 5 egg white , 100 grams of nuts and seeds and some fruits & vegetables is more than enough for any goal .. you can replace some protein with fish if you want

[@heatherennis3498]

That's why my nutritionist made it a point to discuss the difference between protein and complete protein. For example, hummus has protein from the chickpeas, but including a whole grain pita pocket makes it a complete protein. It's important to understand the difference before embarking on a diet plan.

[@Swapna9]

I never understood why we there's an x number of required protein people try to meet. I'm from an Indian vegetarian family and our traditional diet is mostly carbs(rice and wheat) and veggies with a glass or two of milk and a cup(cooked) of lentils. So we do have some protein but typically, it's around 30 odd grams. When i look at my extended family, many have lived well into their 80s without any major health issues. There are a couple of overweight people and one with arthritis who needed knee replacement but otherwise, i don't see a major protein link with health unless it's like less than 10 or 15 grams.

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

Or you could just eat a stake

[@idemchenko-js]

@@Swapna9 Totally agree! Not everyone needs to have a biceps bigger than one's head. Actually, I remember in a gym those "big guys" could not take off their shirts off. Really quite funny.

[@annerigby4400]

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 would that be a wooden stake?

[@rymreaper]

@@Swapna9 bodydysmorphia, it's like a mental illness when you're not happy with your body even when your body is healthy. I need like 200g of protein per day for maximum muscle growth, I can't hit it. I can hit half the amount that I need. Whey protein is easiest but very expensive.

[@vidhoard]

Now I desperately want the DIIAS score and/or individual amino acid amounts on all my food labels. I feel like without having them on the label, it's near to impossible for every day, ordinary people to make informed decisions on how they will get their protein. I hate how complicated nutrition is, I wish it was simple. Every time I hear something like this I get more discouraged and worried that I'll never be eating the right food for my body and that no matter how hard I try there will always be something I'm not getting enough of. And with severe depression and anxiety, I always end up wondering if the cause could be from my diet. But as someone who isn't a scientist, I feel there will never be a way for me to tell. :(

[@mxd1232]

You dont need to track aminos as long as You get some animal prpducylts and your total gramature is big (2g per kg of bodyweight)

[@FELIXHDFELIX]

Maybe have a couple of eggs and some milk every day and then vary the other protein between beef, pork, chicken and fish.

[@MrJcalvino]

Even it would be nice to show the DIAS on the packaging it’s not that difficult to search for the top quality food sources of protein and build a diet around them. People have to (or should ) make his own decisions and not wait for daddy government to step in.

[@TrevorHamberger]

Lmao. You have severe depression and anxiety

[@dumdum8880]

I understand this, it’s very difficult to contemplate. My uneducated perspective would be to try to fast for a few days or so to give the body time to heal and reset, and then slowly begin adding healthy foods into your diet, no sugary sweets, and see how it reacts and go from there. I’m personally trying it also for mental health. We’re all doing our best, I believe if we keep faith I ourselves we’ll eventually figure it our. Hope all works out for you.

[@Xerrash]

Thank you for making a video about this. Bioavailability seems to be one of the biggest misconceptions about nutrition.

[@TheHumanRanger]

Does this take into account the different capabilities of different blood types, ex dr dadamo's blood type diet?

[@niken538]

But this suggest an impractical comparison of two foods? You need to understand that the total we eat in a day is what matters, not only one to one comparison of foods

[@christianarndt5341]

Especially since the same is also true for a lot of micronutrients, e.g. Iron or Vitamin A.

[@himan12345678]

@@christianarndt5341 Magnesium is such a culprit for that. Most magnesium supplements are magnesium oxide which is so poorly absorbed it's like nearly not even taking a supplement, especially compared to organic sources like magnesium citrate.

[@El-Burrito]

Was thinking the same thing as himan! The different forms of magnesium have different bioavailability and it makes sense that this would apply to other things

[@downshift4life]

Some sold out Greek influencer to Diogenes: "If you would only learned to praise the ruler, you wouldn't have to only eat lentils." Diogenes: "But if you would only learned to live on lentils, you wouldn't have to kiss the rulers' asses."

[@jameshopkins6168]

2 people that clearly have different priorities.

[@noID457]

When you research something you should always check your resources and who is paying them. Always follow the money. From one perspective everything you said seems legit, but from the other it looks like advertisement for the meat industry. This industry did a lot of shady and also illegal things so I would like to know if they're somrhow involved in the studies.

[@Darklord1201FTW]

I guarantee you these studies are funded by the meat industry

[@PhotoBomber]

it's just basic science

[@noID457]

@@PhotoBomber it depends on who's paying. I'm not saying this video is automatically false, but science can be biased or silenced especialy when it comes to money. So don't just blindly believe in everything you see. As I said, meat industry is dirty business.

[@Crazycorn2]

@@noID457 funding doesn't determine if something is true or not. Interested parties will fund research but that doesn't mean that the funding influenced the study. As someone said, this is just basic science.

[@SoaringSalamanders]

@@Crazycorn2 interesting how studies funded by tabacco companies always downplayed or straight up refuted the fact it causes cancer. Interesting how studies funded by milk companies say that it’s a great source of protein and calcium when neither of those are true. And how studies funded by meat industries always say that meat is the best way to get protein in your diet, doesn’t actually cause obesity or cancer, and is a vital part the human diet. Even though throughout history meat was a very small part of the vast majority of cultures. It doesn’t make it false guaranteed. But looking at what these company funded studies have been like historically, I just straight up don’t trust them, independent studies are the way to go.

[@setsu2221]

Oof. I mean, 80% of the protein content in milk is casein (not well-absorbed), whereas only 20% is whey. And then you have to remember that, while researchers aren't happy about stating it, they still do (vaguely) say that processed milk deteriorates the nutritional "outcome/absorption". Milk is not a great source of anything, due to its cons outweighing its pros (since it can easily be replaced by better sources of nutrition). Milk, for adults, is a snack. My university is sponsored by the biggest milk producers, and so are plenty of other universities and research institutions, hence, you get corrupted research studies, which naïve people swallow up immediately. When you work in STEM-related fields, especially closely related to the food and medicine industries, you start to realise how right Veritasium's video is about falsified (useless) studies.

[@vanguardas9927]

can you explain further what you meant by casein not being well absorbed....aside from it being a slow digesting protein/protein source which is already common knowledge...thank you

[@setsu2221]

​@@vanguardas9927 First of all: What is concluded from ALL the studies I have read (except very few), is that whey protein ends up with the highest total amino acid concentration profile, after complete digestion. While I would have to study a bit more, and take different research approaches, I am willing to claim that structural differences as well as the body being suboptimal at dealing with the slow digestion rate of casein proteins, are some of the key factors that impair the overall absorption. Next, bovine milk has two problematic subgroups of casein, which are either present in very low concentrations in human milk, or completely void in human breast milk. We will refer to these as alpha(s1) and alpha(s2). These proteins (primarily alpha(s1)) are commonly purported to cause gradual malabsorption (lactose intolerance). It is rather hard to gather useful information, directly from milk-related studies, since the authors either claim no conflict of interest, or claim no conflict of interest after stating that their study was sponsored by a party, which would definitely have a conflict of interest. Lastly, I would suggest that if you do venture on a self-research trip, then, rather than going for studies related to the milk industry, a fundamental approach may be more appropriate, although it may be more theoretical.

[@setsu2221]

@@vanguardas9927 My first answer to your comment is completely incomplete, which I'm aware of. If you want a fulfilling answer, I suggest that you research it. It would take too much time for me to formulate a proper explanation, but you can, at the very least, take the conclusion from the majority of the available studies, and then add a bit of source criticism to it.

[@vanguardas9927]

@@setsu2221 No, thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm not a medical professional so I don't won't understand a really deep explanation. I mostly use Whey and Soy protein, but I ordered Casein to try it out. What I don't understand is if milk protein is 80% casein and 20% whey, why is Whey so much cheaper than Casein? ((as well as being more available as a supplement in the market)

[@setsu2221]

@@vanguardas9927 the answer to that question is actually quite simple. Whey is a waste product (from other processes that require milk), which is repurposed to give it value. And whey just so happens to be rather easy to precipitate and separate from the liquid waste product, making it easy to profit from the process.

[@iggytse]

This use to be called the protein bio availability index and the number was advertised on whey protein packaging.

[@lukasvrana6388]

not true, there where several quality measurements in past (BV was that Biological Value, but you could also find PER, AAS, from 1991 PDCAAS with several novelizations and from 2013 DIAAS)

[@KJB0001]

watch Peter Ballerstedt's When Protein is NOT Protein

[@Johanisnotreal]

Levels USA gives a comprehensive breakdown.

[@HelenEk7]

Thank you! It seems to be a lot easier to find info about that than DIAAS.

[@goku445]

And it is complete rubbish.

[@frankjames6276]

Also remember the DIAAS is calculated on the nutritional requirements of 0.5 - 3.0 year old children. The values for older children (the method uses 3 years + as the top end) are much easier to hit. So a DIAAS for 3+ years on soy or pea is actually north of 100. Things like rice and peanuts and wheat are still lower, but not as much as for the younger requirements. There is also potential for DIAAS on

[@elgoogaga8148]

Not 0.5-3 year old children, 0.5-3 year old pigs.

[@thegreatmoof]

Appreciate the added context. I had a suspicion when this vid got recommended to me that there was some missing info.

[@raytry69]

Interestingly mother's milk contains 1.1% protein. Cabbage contains 1.2%.

[@frankjames6276]

interestingly the DIAAS for the infant age age for cabbage would be 0.25 showing 1/4 of the amino acids required by infants, so for every gram of protein from breast milk they would have to consume 4grams of protein from cabbage. @@raytry69

[@latoyalatty9299]

It's very surprising quinoa wasn't mentioned as it has all the essential amino acids.

[@zebrastreet9993]

I love quinoa but it does have a lot of carbs (not that it detracts from what you are saying).

[@eustacebagge3869]

It is not a matter of only amino acid profile but also of bioavailability in general.

[@jamesdagmond]

Its tends to be low on leucine, the one for muscle growth.

[@natam1616]

​@@jamesdagmond but you can eat another thing together, no that hard to get leucine from vegetables

[@EmpressLilith222]

No it doesn’t . Only animal proteins have all the essential proteins. No vegetables do.

[@1Kapachow1]

In many cultures there are specific vegan combos - like: lentils+rice, or corn+beans Just thought it's interesting :) Btw - there are websites that you can just check (once monthly or yearly, no need for daily) your micronutrients including essential amino acids. I personally like cronometer.

[@tauceti8341]

Both are low on DIAAS

[@phosphenevision]

@@tauceti8341 but combined they are a complete protein

[@1Kapachow1]

@@tauceti8341 That's the point - DIAAS doesn't matter. 1. It is based on Pigs and not humans (and uncooked food) 2. Scientists learned a while ago that you need to look at ALL of the food that a person eats thoughout the entire day (and not just a single meal, and definitely not just a single food item). 3. It has a built in massive flaw in its design. See the following illustrative example - Imagine two cases: Case A - Your food contains twice of each of the recommended amount of essential amino acids. Case B - Your food contains everything that Case A contains, PLUS more of one specific amino acid. In both cases, the human body will utilize exactly the same amount of amino acids, but in case B it will get rid of the excessive amino acid through the feces. Case A will get a significantly higher score than B, despite providing exactly the same nutrition to the body. There are even more significant flaws to the DIAAS metric, but the bottom line is that, like I mentioned in my comment, you can simply track your micronutrients once per few months and be calm. It's SUPER easy to get A TON of complete protein on a vegan diet. (Hint - you don't build your diet around "peanut butter sandwich" like the example that was shown in the video ;) ) Again - cronometer (I don't have any relation to them) makes this macro/micro tracking super easy and you can see it for yourself.

[@carnistpolice]

@@tauceti8341 I don't eat lentils only in 1 day, I eat multiple foods. Get your facts right

[@educational-101]

@Tau Ceti DIAAS has it's limitations.

[@tornapart]

I think it’s also worth considering the fact that people don’t eat enough protein because they eat too many processed carbs. Think just about how many cheeseburgers the lambda person eats. When you eat a cheeseburger you end up eating more bread than actual meat/protein. Same goes if you look at snacks, all carb

[@jjjdgd5]

A mcdo cheeseburger patty is 45g

[@quintessenceSL]

Ya, I had to think how overfed Americans (except for maybe the poor) could possibly be low on protein? Junk food.

[@ItalianStallion1415]

If you live near an In-N-Out burger restaurant you can specify if you want a protein style burger. They will replace the buns with lettuce, so less carbs.

[@VicColomeet]

@@quintessenceSL a lot of the poor still eat fastfood cause they dont know basic math and dont understand that cooking at home costs less

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Seed oil in the diet is a bigger issue than carbohydrate. If we were to eliminate seed oil from the standard diet, people would naturally consume far more protein.

[@hnnhml]

this is so, so, soooo interesting! thank you for breaking this complex topic down in such an understable way! amazing content!!

[@gladitsnotme]

He's a paid shill for the meat industry, check his source.

[@goldchalice]

I've been lifting weights for years. I abided by the calories in / calories out / macros in / macros out mantra and found it to be useful. However, only until I started eating more home cooked and whole foods like chicken breast, eggs, red meat and fish did I find myself recovering better and developing a better body.

[@RagingRugbyst]

So you basically grew a brain and read a couole things.

[@rudnums1]

@@RagingRugbyst Bet his newly grown brain got a stroke after reading that... ;)

[@Vdanman]

Such a inspiring story 10/10

[@kayallen7603]

@@rudnums1 The foods humans have been eating for the past 4.35 million years will not hurt us. Drop the sugar, starch and poly seed oils and you will not have to worry about strokes.

[@CoyotePark]

@@kayallen7603 exactly

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

This feeds into my biases very well... Automatically accepting data... :)

[@Shane-zl9ry]

My skin is not my own

[@doggo6517]

This man has awakened

[@gregoryallen0001]

i'm vegan ty for saying the quiet part out loud

[@JM-fo1te]

As a Mexican, I was ahead by a lifetime.

[@Lurker01]

@@gregoryallen0001 That's joke and fit for vegan bias as well.

[@rylee9189]

Putting the list of the ameno acids is smart and whould help people calculate their protein levels intakes

[@michaelhoile1369]

Don't need to count protein...no one in history has ever been diagnosed with low protein its a scam....look up death from low protein...it never happens....it's a fairy tale to sell protein powder and steak ....

[@craig7405]

@@michaelhoile1369 well u cant die from low protein but there are negative health benefits obviously. things like protein powder and steak and useful in building muscle. they are not essential though.

[@beckquin47]

I seriously love videos talking about bioavailability in foods. In my food processing courses, we're still focused on cooking foods as a way to preserve them and make them taste better, but I won't get to this topic probably until graduate school, and it is driving me insane. Like, I don't have all of the background food science info yet, and I know that I need it, but these topics are so interesting. Definitely sending this to one of my professors, he loves these kinds of videos.

[@mrlebanon6055]

Ok chill nerd 😂

[@CMSonYT]

Did your professor comment on it?

[@LuisC7]

Hey, love your videos! You literally changed both my diet and my health, for the better! Can you do a video about plastics around our food? Microplastics, phenols and phthalates that leach from plastic around the food (plastic bags with anything really, or soups and meals in plastic packages, also tin cans which are lined with plastic, reusable plastic bottles, etc.)? I think this is very important due to their toxicity and endocrine effect. Thanks!

[@fayde9941]

+1 for this

[@cory4380]

I would love to see this happen.

[@romantheroman98]

+1

[@hakusnowninja]

Receipt paper (food service people have massively increased phthalate levels in their tissues) "Triton" plastic water bottles Cosmetics Food storage containers... and many many other things You can't escape it.

[@LuisC7]

@@hakusnowninja Cosmetics are a very big one too, especially if they have scents.

[@SkyRiver1]

People's ability to absorb nutrients from foods varies tremendously. In fact the same person eating the same food also varies tremendously depending on their age, what else they have eaten, what they have been eating, the time of day they eat, and so many variables that it is complex beyond the ability of anyone to quantify in any accurate manner. This being the case, and it is, one of the more significant factors is the make-up of an individuals microbiome. The microbiome varies so much depending upon another host of factors that scientists are continuously amazed by the degree of variation among people, peoples, and within an individual. For instance a person who is on a carnivore diet will be amazingly deficient in the ability to absorb nutrients from vegetables in comparison to someone who is omnivorous and even more in comparison to someone who has been vegetarian for years. It is tempting to make simplistic assumptions and they almost always end up being incorrect or at least seriously skewed regarding reality. But hey, that apparently is what KZbin and social media in general is all about.

[@Cro0Cod0Team]

protein quality means its generally absorbed better...

[@kdhoward83]

I’ve seen this “but not all” fallacy again and again. Science doesn’t always work in absolutes but I see this “not all” fallacy used as a reason to disregard hard science people don’t agree with.

[@entohack7g500]

@@kdhoward83 and to help invent/hype/wildly inflate a need for various flavors of “customized” nutrition. This same insidious mindset could be argued in the way genetic markers that demonstrate higher propensities for various conditions (take tour pick) under adverse conditions are trotted out to sell the idea that genetics (aka “nature”) is causal for everything under the sun in our declining health, vs the countless toxic pillars of the modern lifestyle (aka “nurture”) peddled by charlatans who’s primary profit center broadly speaking is ignorance.

[@linuxbasic3399]

@@kdhoward83 video itself states protien quality matters in some countries where where they eat lot of protien and not in ones that hardly make it to mark... one of the most imp part of your digestive system is the microbiome... may be do more research next time...

[@taufeeqagherdien3134]

The answer, especially in bio-sciences is: "Well... It depends...""

[@bionicsix101]

In your 2nd video, can you say something about the drop off in processing protein with age? I wonder if there are reference ranges at different age groups and what protein consumption from animal and non animal would look like. Great work as usual.

[@davidsalvador6031]

Research anabolic resistance of muscle protein synthesis

[@Sk0lzky]

@@davidsalvador6031 there's this, but there's also a matter of reduction in absorption of nutrients in the aging people, I don't remember if it affects proteins but I'd expect it to

[@WhatIveLearned]

Yup, plan to talk about the elderly requiring more.

[@bigmasss]

This👆

[@MathTutorVideos]

@@WhatIveLearned Can you also look at the role of gut-biome in protein digestion? I wonder if/how supplementing your gut biome with probiotics positively, negatively or negligibly, effects absorption of protein.

[@AnnieBarnes-d9j]

Whenever hearing about the latest nutritional study it is always worth finding out who funded it. Nutritional studies have been described by more than one scientist as the lowest form of science. There have been too many researchers who have been bought by the big food conglomerates. General Mills, Post, and Kellogs fund a lot of the research and they ain't paying for anything that does not reflect well on their products. The history of research over the last 40-50 years is not entirely kosher.

[@john-wiggains]

So it doesn’t really matter if we get less of a specific amino acid from plants or not. What matters is that we meet our daily need for each amino acid (which is likely different for each amino acid) I would love a video that explained the difference in each amino acid and the daily recommendations. Then it would be possible to craft an appropriate diet.

[@hunterbidensaidslesion1356]

I'm not so sure about that. I know (or maybe I should say that I think I know) that for muscle repair/hypertrophy to occur, all 20 of the so-called "essential amino acids" must be present and available simultaneously. I would assume this is true for other tissue repair and maintenance as well. There is a reason why bodybuilders and strength athletes are all about those meat and eggs.

[@Petit_pouas_]

@@hunterbidensaidslesion1356 but some Olympic athletes follow a vegetalian diet too, so it’s a very interesting topic

[@dumbbellenjoyer]

@@hunterbidensaidslesion1356 I body build and I have eggs once or twice a week. Its all about Yogurts, Chicken, Whey, Rice and Spinach now.

[@BigUriel]

@@hunterbidensaidslesion1356 Yes that's an important point our bodies can't just store excess aminoacids to be used later. There are 9 aminoacids your body absolutely needs to build new tissues and if even one is missing then nothing is getting done, the other 8 just end up turned into glucose, if you get that missing one a few hours later it's too late. Our guts are also smarter than most people think and the ratios and digestibility of the aminoacids affect metabolism. We know that our bodies preferentially digest branched chain aminoacids so they always go in first, and leucine in particular is used as a trigger for protein synthesis. Leucine goes in first, starts up the process and then as the other aminoacids go in they start being used to build new proteins, if the others are digested first and leucine later it doesn't have the same effect.

[@dimitrijekrstic7567]

Yep. That's the point that this video/creator fails to admit/understand. Also the fact that all of the dairy and meat research is heavily influenced by the meat and dairy industry lol. Basically not useful info

[@zimmerderek]

One question that immediately surfaces... Was the 50g of protein requirement derived before the knowledge about protein quality came about? That would mean that the daily value of protein would be set higher artificially and would need to be reevaluated. It would also mean that most people would likely incidentally meat this requirement without major dietary changes. I also question if the newer study that raised the minimum daily value of protein also considered protein quality.

[@spatrk6634]

protein quality is understood far before we knew what protein is. try eating kg of watermelon or kg of beef. how satiated do you feel and for how long?

[@spatrk6634]

@ᴄᴏᴠᴏɪᴅ • 13 years ago then eat 1000 calories of beef. And try eating 1000 calories of watermelons

[@spatrk6634]

@ᴄᴏᴠᴏɪᴅ • 13 years ago ok legumes. Eat 1000 calories of legumes. And compare with 1000 calories of beef.

[@draco_1876]

No

[@aternaljoy7649]

Pointless question. 50g requirement came out when meat, fish, and eggs were considered the only main sources of protein.

[@syntaxerorr]

I take every thing Arnold has to say with a grain of salt because any time he talks about it if leaves out the fact that he was jacked up on steroids. You don't get that big naturally.

[@baboonaiih]

Steroid users still require food and workout to gain mass. They can't create muscle out of thin air.

[@111kino]

Then do similar for Layne Norton because he's also jacked up on roids.

[@fender1000100]

This is B.S. i did an experiment I used to eat 200 grams of protein a day as a bodybuilder. Got my arms up to 17 inches and my chest up to 48 inches at 5 8" and 184 lbs.I decided to see what would happen if I ate half that much for a month. 100 grams. I LOST NO MUSCLE. The protein myth is perpetuated by the meat and dairy industries and the supplement companies to keep the money coming.

[@QuestionEverything562]

​@@fender1000100But you kept eating meat and dairy... you just ate less of it.

[@fender1000100]

@@QuestionEverything562 I eat no meat or dairy. The only animal source I eat for protein is eggs. 4 a day.

[@Youneedkoolin]

I grew up on fruity pebbles, wonder bread, and spaghetti

[@tonyprice2256]

How is your diabetes going?

[@LynnDot]

When I worked in a cattle nutrition lab we looked at amino acid contents in various ingredients from an environmental impact lens as well - if you can find a more efficient balance of AAs instead of just upping protein content in feeds, the cows will excrete less waste. This is something the pork industry already has down pretty well as you mentioned but still a work in progress for other livestock, especially dairy cattle which usually need higher energy feed sources compared to beef animals (just like breastfeeding moms need more nutrients).

[@joenervlus3239]

Dairy funded studies btw. This guy is heavily biased and mislead.

[@WhatIveLearned]

That's interesting, Bee. Could I DM you on twitter or instagram to ask a quick question on that? I'm @jeverett.whativelearned on instagram and @JEverettLearned on twitter

[@Andrew-hf1dj]

@@joenervlus3239 haha i just asked this. im glad i was right on the money, nothing but propaganda

[@AlgerianRatt]

@@joenervlus3239 ikr 😂😂😂 classic annoying dairy industry

[@mryan4452]

​@@joenervlus3239 To be fair if you can point me to a SINGLE objective diet in the world that compares a high meat and high fiber diet with another diet, and that other diet trumps the high meat and high fiber diet , I would love to see that research. I doubt you will be able to forward it to me, because it doesn't exist.

[@wearekream]

I encourage everyone to look up "protein digestibility" for themselves, this video is put together to generate views at the cost of spreading misinformation.

[@strictnonconformist7369]

Very useful to understand that getting an incomplete set of amino acids such that they're out of balance results in anything above the lowest level where it all balances, gets turned into energy and burned for fuel, and affects blood sugar, which in turn affects weight gain as it is then turned into fat, as your insulin level is increased to store it away and cut down blood sugar.

[@Sercil00]

About that 1.2-1.6g of protein per kg of bodyweight: Are they talking about lean mass or just your plain bodyweight? And are they taking the protein quality into account? Depending on these questions, you will come up with wildly different numbers.

[@houseoffirebellytoads1439]

I always wondered about this.. because it makes no sense to take in fat mass for this calculation, why would my fat storage need protein?? So that could explain why there are some people who just work out a lot and still gain muscle because the recommendations are a myth to make us buy products

[@thewinesmith]

Yeah that would be messed up if your eating like 400 grams of protein every day😅

[@iAmDislikingEveryShort]

​@@houseoffirebellytoads1439 your fat storage needs protein so that the body can replace the fat with muscles.

[@Amaraticando]

@@iAmDislikingEveryShort lol, it doesn't work like that. 1,6 is for average Joes with almost no muscle and 18% BF. Someone bulking can easily double that number and they usually have ~10% BF. Your fat storages need caloric deficit.

[@JayJay-nb1sv]

That's not how it works...@@iAmDislikingEveryShort

[@shawn071]

Thanks for sharing this info.....I have been training for 30years I stopped eating meat 11 years ago, my weight and muscle size has not changed since, I still eat free range eggs a few times a week and my main staple of protein is from quinoa, beans, vegan protein powders and nuts ...I also add fish collagen in my shakes as well and I eat allot of vegetables, I am consuming around 120/150 grams of protein a day, I am 6'2". 195-200lbs and I have been a hard gainer my whole life. I know most people will say that you need 1gram of protein per 1lb of body weight when you train but who have time to sit around and eat all day? Also my body builds more muscle and I can hold my weight when I eat more carbs, everyone has a different body type, genetic makeup and so forth, you can never have one universal way of eating foods!

[@ConsciousCalisthenics]

I get more protein in one meal than your total day on a carnivore diet, hardly needing to spend all day eating.

[@KryptonKr]

It’s easy for a meat eater to get enough proteins to not eat all day… if you’re a vegetarian then you need more effort to eat more than average meat eaters and therefore why you said “…who have time to sit around and eat all day?”

[@KryptonKr]

You need to work harder when it comes to diet for a vegetarian when it comes to protein needs. Actually another interesting thing about carbs is that it makes your muscles look more full especially when you drink a lot of water but that’s NOT your actual size of the muscle. If you stop eating carbs as much as you can, then you’ll see your muscles look really small then usual. That’s why bodybuilders eat A LOT of carbs before they go on stage because it’s to fuel the muscles to look big. Once they are done presenting on stage, their muscles will shrink back to what their muscles supposed to look during rest.

[@shawn071]

@@ConsciousCalisthenics Thats great bro, When I used to eat meat my training partner would trip out on how much food I would eat, I would literally eat twice as much as he would and I was never able to break 205 at the time, my point was my body and metabolism is way differwnt than most people, now I eat half the portions I usedt to eat and my weight 195-200 on a vegetarian diet. Everybody reponds differntly when it comes to diet and training

[@RSK412]

We absolutely should be putting amino acid info on foods. I agree.

[@breezy1832]

I would also like to see a video on the benefits of vegetarian options. Not that either is more preferred (perhaps for some people), but I'd like to get a broad view on both sides, meat and veggies and how they may Benefit each other if they do.

[@lukesutton4135]

Lay off the soy and it may come to you why there is not.

[@johndoeradiok]

Vegetarian diet gives a pretty well ego boost for some people, that’s about it.

[@di3486]

Reading this while eating a steak

[@gauravnegi4312]

@@johndoeradiok that's ironic for someone with that much ego in one comment.

[@andreasrylander]

@@gauravnegi4312 Indeed. Not to mention that the vegan choice is literally ALL about caring about much more than just one's own taste buds :)

[@abramtuecke7954]

Ecellent and informative video, Thanks to everyone who played a part in creating it

[@freetimefoster]

Its all about rounding out your diet and understanding the differences so you can supplement where necessary

[@bentuck7929]

It also depends on your goals and your activity level. An athlete will need far more different macros than a couch-sitter.

[@freetimefoster]

@@bentuck7929 absolutely

[@liquorpos]

Would love to hear about this contrasted with the longevity studies that suggest reducing protein intake increases longevity. It seems to me a certain amino acid specifically was the concern as it related to longevity. I think lysine but I don't recall for certain. Great videos! Keep it up!

[@CristelleFerreira]

It is methionine. You might be interested in these studies: - López-Torres M, Barja G. Lowered methionine ingestion as responsible for the decrease in rodent mitochondrial oxidative stress in protein and dietary restriction possible implications for humans. Biochim Biophys Acta. 2008 Nov;1780(11):1337-47. - Lees, E. K., Król, E., Grant, L., Shearer, K., Wyse, C., Moncur, E., Bykowska, A. S., Mody, N., Gettys, T. W. and Delibegovic, M. (2014), Methionine restriction restores a younger metabolic phenotype in adult mice with alterations in fibroblast growth factor 21. Aging Cell. - Joel Brind, Virginia Malloy, Ines Augie, Nicholas Caliendo, Joseph H Vogelman, Jay A. Zimmerman, Norman Orentreich. Dietary glycine supplementation mimics lifespan extension by dietary methionine restriction in Fisher 344 rats. FASEB J. April 2011 25 (Meeting Abstract Supplement) 528.2.

[@JofumiFurFramovich]

@@CristelleFerreira almost 8 years ago. Only studies on rats. Wish there were a bit more about it now...

[@SMABEM]

Yeah it's excess methionine that causes cancer growth.

[@CristelleFerreira]

@AjA9873 You trying to make a point?

[@CristelleFerreira]

@@JofumiFurFramovich It's the only info I know of since I came accross an article about it last week. I didn't share the article because it's in french, but it surely is something to dive into someday ;)

[@MohamedShaarawy]

Thank you for the effort in your videos brother

[@omarabdelakher1380]

شعراوي العالمي

[@hasamahikaru]

Another fun fact: the protein absorption of raw and cooked eggs is extremely different! You would only absorb 50% of the protein of raw eggs

[@Ahmad-os3si]

What about cooked

[@TT-fv5ro]

@@Ahmad-os3si51%

[@palynegaenir8961]

Uncooked egg whites bind to biotin in the body which can make one deficient in it if not supplementing well for that B vitamin.

[@Tommy-yb2vp]

What about half cook? like sunny side?

[@presleymeck]

​@@TT-fv5ro where are you getting that from ? DIAAS of boiled was shown in the video to be 113%. Highest of all protein sources but you're writing 51%

[@Code_Ramen717]

Interesting video, I switched to vegetarian after watching game changers for my cross country/track season, I’ve gotten better than before but it’s hard to tell if I’m getting better just because my training is better or my diet is actually having an effect. I haven’t become iron deficient after 1.5 years which a lot of people said I would and my muscles feel fine but certainly this video has unlocked new information on nutrition I didn’t have before

[@goranbreskic4304]

No, it hasn't. This video is so incomplete and misleading it's shameful.

[@Code_Ramen717]

@@goranbreskic4304 go on

[@Ash-fm6ym]

@@goranbreskic4304 its the absolute truth you're just lying to urself. The science on complete protein and complete amino acid profiles is 100% finished and proven, stop living in denial.

[@tamimhusain3376]

@@goranbreskic4304 found the vegan that cannot accept valid science on the difference of absorption between different foods.

[@pubcle]

@@Ash-fm6ym Okay so, science is never finished or 100% proven, I fully agree that this seems to be a pretty accurate assessment of some things.

[@sel2230]

When was the last time you saw someone with health complications because of "protein deficiency" in the developed world?

[@matematicarka]

That was me 8 yrs ago

[@sel2230]

@@matematicarka The only cases I've seen are because the person has an eating disorder

[@berkeliumk]

But we get obesity and diabetic problems

[@Crazycorn2]

What does protein deficiency look like?

[@dadadudududa5500]

@@Crazycorn2 have you seen kids in africa with extremly bloated bellies? thats what it looks like. doesnt happen in the western world, WIL is a quack

[@Andmaj]

Could you also do a video on "is all sugar the same"? Like this vid but with sugars. Cause there's quite alot of different sugars

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

Actually the chemical for of many differnt sugars is exactly the same

[@shafaet1194]

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 Processed and refined sugars are unbelievably unhealthy for you.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

There really aren't that many types of sugars. There is fructose, glucose and galactose. And then there are sugars that are just some combination of those molecules. Other than some minor differences in the digestion process all sugars are pretty much functionally identical from a nutrition standpoint.

[@XrayTheMyth23]

@@nerdstrangler4804 Well there's the monosaccharides you listed but there's also disaccharides and polysaccarides. Really more studies are needed from what I have seen, there isn't too much broad research and usually they just focus on Stevia which is found to be inconsequential to your health (for now).

[@nerdstrangler4804]

@@XrayTheMyth23 Right, like i said "and then there are sugars that are some combination of those molecules" aka di and poly saccharides. Which just get broken down into those 3 base molecules anyway. Stevia isn't a sugar, he was asking about different types of sugar. Obviously non-nutritive sweeteners are very different from actual sugars. But actual sugars are pretty basic and not much different from one another. Other than maybe lactose because some people lack the enzyme to break it down. But I figured most people probably already know about that.

[@rorykr]

Putting the amino acid profiles on food labels would be amazing but I feel like it wouldn’t also be a little much for the label. I know most protein powders don’t even display amino acid contents which is quite sad to see.

[@Kya_._Papaya]

I disagree that it would be too much. People dont have to read it if they do not want to. But it might also get people to learn that it really does matter if they see it every time. Sadly most people dont even pay attention to the nutritional labels on food

[@Plottoberry]

I take a vegan protein powder that focused on getting the right amino acids balance, its called Silverback protein.

[@ToastyCoClothing]

liking, commenting AND subscribing in hopes for a speedy part 2 your channel has changed my life

[@mrbigsmile3902]

2:45 it cannot be said enough times. Correlation doesn’t equal causation. There are a million different factors between the group ‘developed countries’ and ‘developing countries’ which could influence this.

[@pyrobadger]

For majority of the people "developed" countries are from West. North America and Europe, Oceania . And rest of the world for them is "developing".

[@geraldjohn7954]

If the author of this video had genuine critical thinking skills then it would take too long for him to separate fact from fiction. It is best to stay with the propaganda machine and produce more income. The anti truth comments from his sheeple followers says volumes.

[@theFriendlyGhst]

I've started to notice the studies he uses are low quality. I think nothing in this video should be news to anyone though. A lot of body builders say if you use vegetable protein you need to double the amounts.

[@Tate525]

@@geraldjohn7954 Exactly this all funded by meat industry

[@CheapSushi]

Every time people say this it's because they just want to believe their own bias and want to constantly throw away any other evidence. It's trite. Of course the vegans are bitter and angry.

[@peach3813]

As for someone who’s also stuck in Japan while Netflix littraly stops providing subtitles half way through shows, the last part hits hard😭

[@An0nAm0nda]

This is the kind of educational material that should have been in medical school/nursing school for the last several decades but wasn’t. I have a highly intelligent, educated aunt who’s got her Master’s in Nursing and decades of practical experience. She still maintains that a serving of yogurt is equivalent to an egg, that eggs have too much cholesterol, that having too much meat is what causes heart issues. Her sister, my other dear aunt, is almost two feet taller than first aunt and works as a physical therapist. They live together so they eat almost the same diet, but taller aunt ends up snacking on cookies etc. and I wish she’d add more protein/fat to her diet instead. Years ago I was starting to lift weights and noticed that if I ate at least three eggs in the morning, I felt better in a day. Visiting a friend, she asked how many eggs? I told her three and she looked at me like I was nuts and said, ‘No.’ I had bought her groceries every other time I’d visited, it wasn’t about the expense, it was a fundamental belief that I was making an outrageous choice. She and I are not friends anymore for many reasons, but it was another mind-blowing event for me about how people can be convinced that one egg + potatoes is better than three eggs.

[@rom1783-c1y]

Some of the research in this video is funded by meat and dairy companies, so don't trust it. The information is inaccurate.

[@kenneth6102]

I actually spent around two hours to watch the reference video twice before this one came out, and remembering less than watching this video. Great work!!!

[@SeboHyatt]

You already spent two hours, wouldn't it be easier to remember by now?

[@michaeld9108]

Would really like to see a video on Huel. From looking around on multiple forums it seems to be helping people with diabetes and improving liver enzyme levels.

[@rogerrules123]

That wouldn't suit his agenda of getting people to eat more meat though

[@yay-cat]

There’s a book called eat like the animals which mostly gives conventional nutrition advice but they point out that all critters (locusts, rats, baboons, humans) have a protein appetite so you will keep eating until you hit that specific target but then your appetite control kicks in and you will find it extremely difficult to overeat protein. But for foods that are less protein dense (e.g. high sugar high fat high calorie processed foods) you overshoot your daily calories before you get close to your daily protein

[@tauceti8341]

This is false, keto is notorious because you fill up exceptionally quicker on high quality fats.

[@Mr371312]

@@tauceti8341 keto is just a scam. Can you live on it? Yes. Are you willing to go full Inuit for the rest of your life? I doubt it.

[@wtice4632]

@@Mr371312 keto is not a scam nor do you have to be 100%

[@EroticOnion23]

Keto will give you gallstones...

[@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443]

@@Mr371312 you don't need a full keto diet for it to benefit you, you just need to eat more fats, when I started doing it I began to eat much less (usually 2 meal are enough while bifore I eat up to 6 meals a day) a have much more energy

[@DevonDevine9]

What a G for putting the add at the very end😆💯

[@bubbleshd4066]

Will you make a video about how you do your research and where you look for studies someday. I think it would be pretty interesting for a lot of your viewers. I personally have a hard time finding these sources or immediately run into a paywall

[@AndrewHelgeCox]

You can get some essential amino acids in pure powdered form and use a few grams to balance out meals that are otherwise incomplete. Lysine is one that is often low in vegan foods but is very cheap to buy half a kilo of as an almost flavourless powder which will last a very long time when dipped into for a teaspoon here or there.

[@cincin4515]

Why eat fake food and powders? Gross.

[@Rasfa]

@@cincin4515 Some people think it's gross to eat animals.

[@Looly2012]

@@Rasfa exactly 👍🏻

[@keb_in]

@@cincin4515 why would you say it's fake when it's chemically the same

[@rotweilerdc]

@@cincin4515 you’d rather eat a dead animal? 😂

[@TheJoYo]

your body can and does use different amino acids separately, that what your body does with them in the first place. the minimum daily recommended values for protein vary WILDLY across populations.

[@melliotbarrett]

I like Dr McDougall’s saying”I’ve never seen a single case of someone diagnosed with protein deficiency.”

[@edennis8578]

Then he's a fool. Protein deficiency is a huge factor in hair loss. Huge. It happened to me. I found out that I wasn't eating even one-fourth of the amount of protein that I need. I did that for years, not having any idea. I lost half my hair and got weaker and weaker. I thought I was dying, but it turned out that I just wasn't eating enough protein.

[@OdinsSage]

​@@edennis8578this likely means your diet was just processed to all hell, or you weren't getting enough calories in general, or both. Hair loss is also very associated with anorexia and other low calorie eating disorders. What McDougal says, when you follow his work further, is he's never seen someone who meets their calorie requirements have a protein deficiency. It's VERY hard to not consume enough protein if you're hitting your calories and not exclusively eating limited processed foods. Another possibility is the very rare medical conditions which make it more difficult for a person to absorb protein, but that's not a reflection on the protein in food and thus should not influence the recommendations for the average person.

[@RajeevKumar-iy1cw]

There are so many bald people who eat 200 grams of protein a day

[@arin6199]

@@OdinsSagewrong. I went vegan when I was 14. Im a Latina girl and I had a full head of hair. I started to get sick and lost so much hair. I quit being vegan. I’m 21 now and I still haven’t recovered my hair loss:( I tried so hard to still get protein in different ways. I ate meat all my life and still will

[@arin6199]

@@OdinsSageI ate so much fruit veggies took protein power I did everything healthy and it didn’t work. 3 years later all I would eat is Mexican food and it was the healthiest I’ve ever been

[@dusanzaludko9974]

I think what would be interesting would be to look at how people's diets have evolved over time and how they were/were not being able to satisfy the recommended protein intake.

[@meneither3834]

More often than not they didn't.

[@dusanzaludko9974]

@@meneither3834 that's what my intuition tells me too :D and yet, they made it and here we are as a species. But i am not an expert in the topic so :)

[@dontfit6380]

Before we started on the path of processed easy and quick meals I think most everyone met their protein requirements. Meat was on the menu 3 times a day and snacks in between.

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

​@@dontfit6380 Before the industrial revolution the large majority of people who could afford it/had access to it ate meat, eggs and fish. Most societies would not have been vegetarian or vegan. What I've been taught is that snacking wasn't common in the US, UK and most european countries until a candy/chocolate bar company (I don't remember which brand) tried to normalize snacking ("something to tide you over between meals") in the 1900s as a way to sell more candy/chocolate bars. It was in one of those british historical documentaries. A lot of poor people before and during the industrial revolution got most of their calorie intake from bread, were not getting anywhere close to enough protein and were generally very malnourished.

[@dontfit6380]

@@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 you are probably right and I’m probably right. I would imagine that documentary you watched looked at cities. I generally think of small towns and country. I know that beef jerky was a snack used long before any candy bar company was around. The mountain men and first settlers used it. You could even go further back to the native Americans. I just don’t think it was ever referred to as a snack. In the small towns and country it wasn’t a matter of affording meat. It was a matter of raising meat and if you didn’t raise it you knew someone that did. When it came time to butcher families and friends would get together to help and everyone went home with meat. Regardless of wether you could afford a change of clothes you still ate meat.

[@LalzJeNeSuis]

For bodybuilding purposes, I couldn't agree more. But for health and longevity, lots of studies show we don't need much animal protein, maybe some fish (omega 3). Look at David Sinclair works for example. Google longevity diets. I love meat and lifting weights but the older I get, the more I focus on health more than muscles.

[@Edgar...]

I totally understand what you mean but I think as with most things in life it's about balance.

[@LalzJeNeSuis]

@@Edgar... Yeah but statistics about longevity say vegetables + fish diet is the best. Only vegetables and meat you lose like 1-2%, and with carbs you lose 4-5% (stats are approximative, I don't remember precisely, but it reduces the risk of many important diseases)

[@aureliuswirawan4502]

I have a question. How can a protein source has a DIAAS score of above 100% digestability?

[@colinthomson5358]

Since I started eating mostly meat and dairy 2 years ago I have noticed my bones are now like steal. All the aches and pains I had in my back and joints are gone and last winter I slipped on some ice and both my feet swung up higher than my head. I landed at a weird angle on my elbow and took a bunch of force on my forearm and shoulder. I got cut up as my hand landed on some tiny sharp stones but I managed to walk away feeling fine. I couldn't believe it, I expected to have smashed up my elbow, dislocated my shoulder or snapped a bone - even a finger bone. Luckily nobody saw me lol My mum did the same a year earlier. The people eho saw her go down wanted to take her to the hospital as they couldn't believe she was ok. She got up and went about as normal. Havinf higher vitamin D and K2, plus a bunch of other changes, all probably played a role but I think the extra quality protein have made my bones so much stronger!

[@sevdev9844]

The topic of protein quality is really interesting, but how much we need to take i. Every day might depend heavily on age and the priority. In the longevity community it's currently rather advised not to take in too much protein while being an adult, only increasing at age 65. For athletes it's a different story.

[@vashsunglasses]

That's at odds with the Menopausal women community where we now know that women need more protein than men and that Menopause causes us to be worse at using protein so we need to increase it even more. This isn't athletes this is regular women in their 40's-50's.

[@528hrtz]

Factory Farming on the current mass industrial scale is not sustainable.. 90% of the meat out there is poor quality too and packed with artificial hormones and chemicals

[@carlosa.9533]

@Sean Francis Waters Lancaster the ones used to feed animals?

[@MichelleCatlin]

@@carlosa.9533 vast majority of food given to farm animals are not edible for humans

[@carlosa.9533]

@@MichelleCatlin It will depend on the animal the amount and type of food, but still they have to grow the kind of seed, vegetable or grass the animals will eat

[@goku445]

Off topic. We don't need to eat animals. This channel is probably shilling to this very industry.

[@LeaughtFox]

Fascinating video. It never occurred to me that different foods had different digestibility of proteins. Recently I've been wondering if I'm really such a small eater, as my Japanese counterparts can eat such huge portions of food. Maybe I'm just used to more dense nutrients in my food. I can't think of any other reason I can't eat the school lunches, but I'm fine eating foods I cook, taste being not an issue.

[@quickcube2834]

Nutrition density and healthy is not the same.

[@LeaughtFox]

@@quickcube2834 True. I was just wondering why I can usually only eat half of what Japanese people can eat, with the trope of Americans eating huge portions being present. I actually gained weight and got less healthy in Japan (driving instead of biking everywhere being a factor, too) than when I lived in the US. I was specifically addressing the volume of food I'm expected to eat on a daily basis that I still can't meet, even after 5 years here.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

Asians have longer intestines than non-asians and also i think higher metabolism.

[@BooshyBrows]

@@ishitrealbad3039 this is a myth.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

@@BooshyBrows nope, because asians evolved on rice which is badly digestible

[@elealion1469]

It's also very interesting how different nutrients interact with each other to increase or decrease each others absorption rate. Did you know that taking iron and magnesium pills together reduces their absorption? Or the Budwig paste (the recipe for which dr Budwig actually won a Nobel prize) has a 100% absorption rate of the most optimal ratio of omega acids... These are amazing and very useful tips, I'd love to know more!

[@JohnSmith-vs9oe]

It seems very odd to me that we need the same quantity of all the amino-acids. I have no expertise whatsover in relation to the subjects, just wandering based on the info provided by the video. Also aren't the amino acids 20 (based on what I remeber from school ages ago). Is it a simplification for educational purposes?

[@leonardomatsumoto737]

Different types of protein contain different proportions of aminoacids. However, the important role of Lys in promoting skeletal muscle growth has already been demonstrated in animal husbandry, and this effect was attributed to increased protein synthesis. So in terms of muscle growth, the lack of lys seems to work as a limiting factor. And yes, there are 20 aminoacids; 9 we get from diet and 11 our body is capable to produce.

[@JohnSmith-vs9oe]

@@leonardomatsumoto737 Thanks for the extra info! :)

[@walterbrownstone8017]

It's obviously not a video you should take seriously.

[@DrSeuss-lx1gf]

@@walterbrownstone8017 I've also been reading into the information this video gives. Whats your take on it, saying that one should not take it seriously?

[@walterbrownstone8017]

@@DrSeuss-lx1gf Certainly chewing your food increases your ability to absorb nutrients. It makes it more digestible. Making your food more digestible alone would have the equivalent effect as wasting your money on expensive meats. You'll only see a slight increase in muscle mass if you're a pro bodybuilder. Everyone else won't even notice. Try it yourself. Keep your calories from animals under 5% and see if you slowly shrivel up and die.

[@nuclearclarity3778]

in nutrition class (at UC Davis) we learned eggs are the perfect protein, and had to compare everything else to eggs 😆

[@ishitrealbad3039]

based

[@jayvdequito8828]

Based egg

[@BrettAbaurrea]

why did you specify what school you went to

[@dorseykindler9544]

Go Aggies!

[@peterpan408]

Body builders pounded eggs before protein powder was invented..

[@ORANGESNOWFLAKE84]

I know he mentions this at the end - but would be curious to see how protein intake correlates with longevity. It seems less important to me that people grow to be tall and have a lot of muscle (which seem to me to be dictated by beauty standards) than how the overall quality of life is.

[@Noegzit]

Being tall is not so great for longevity but muscle mass is : sarcopenia must really be avoided and elderly should even eat more protein (I mean high quality proteins of course) than other.

[@karlwheatley1244]

Yes, for greater longevity, you actually want to eat less protein in general and less animal protein in particular.

[@ORANGESNOWFLAKE84]

I am curious bc there have been studies showing that the best ratio of carbohydrates to protein is 10:1 (not high protein at all)

[@karlwheatley1244]

@@ORANGESNOWFLAKE84 And very high carb to fat ratios produce faster metabolism of carbs and flatter glucose curves when people do eat carbs.

[@redox8419]

@@karlwheatley1244 less Protein? I dont think that is true.

[@mri3rightside325]

Vegans are gonna hate on this one 🤣🤣🤣

[@sumayyarehman99]

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL AND THE MAN BEHIND IT!!!!

[@nro9450]

This video was amazing, extremely informative, and interesting. Put together very well from beginning to end

[@pabloes588]

Moral of the story Eat a large variety of food and stay away from junk food

[@OdinsSage]

^^ facts

[@ojo5916]

Would be interesting to know what the diets were of those from the original study that resulted in the 50g protein recommendation, more specifically what foods they ate to get the 50g of protein

[@river2282]

I saw a vid once, it discovered that a lot of nutritional requirements are not even made by Food and drugs, or Health Orgs, but the farmers or resources dept to make the unknowing civilians to purchase more and more

[@Infinite_Curiosity00]

I was wondering this as well. The video starts out as though this was a fact, but does not back it up well in the video or via links in description. 50 grams is a lot. So much so that he goes on to show most of the world isn't meeting that benchmark. Makes me question/sceptical of it.

[@correctionguy7632]

@@Infinite_Curiosity00 50 grams really isnt a lot

[@Yana-tf1he]

@@correctionguy7632 I looked up and to get 50 grams of protein you need like 5 oz of chicken breast, which is quite a chunk

[@adrieltinghenghui6205]

@@Yana-tf1he is it still too much if you split it into breakfast, lunch and dinner?

[@jackwolfskin5451]

Fantastic video. Another excellent quality documentary of another side of Cuba 🇨🇺

[@exoneuromancer1672]

You should do a video on micro-nutrient deficiencies and their implications in countless diseases

[@bre6651]

Interesting video... If you are looking at this and going "WTF I cant do anything right. why is life so difficult" I feel you. When I first got into fitness, Almost everyone I spoke to tried to shove protein shakes, egg whites, chicken breasts, and steak down my throat. I am 5'5 on a good day and just wanted to slim down. Funny enough my stomach issues Went away when I switched over to Fish and Egg as my sources of protein. It was a lot easier for me to Lose weight because you can eat More Fish for the same amount of calories as a small serving of pork or beef. I currently still only eat fish and eggs simply because I don't miss Red Meat or Chicken... I may have moved to Cali and Tried the most amazing Fish Tacos and Sushi my country ass has ever tasted, and I fell in love literally. Tip If you are really concerned, go to the doc have them run a blood test to see if this is actually something you need to worry about. If you want to see if switching proteins effects You, then get you a food scale and track EVERYTHING on My Fitness pal consistently for a couple weeks to see if you experience any change. 6 weeks is usually how long it takes to see a noticeable change so you would have to be consistent.

[@LB-lb7pm]

you just... eat meat rofl lol

[@martinlink07]

The data you show of meat and vegeterian-based prote in min 9.35 goes against your argument. In the vegetarian case (left-figure) the lowest score is Trytophan at 581mg while in the meat case (right figure) the lowest score is also on Trytophan at 700mg. Hence, if what we gain comes from the minimum level as you argue, both diets are fairly similar

[@han-choi]

If you look closely, rather than entire mg values, the absorbace % is what is being shown. Based on this, the limiting factor is not the least amount of mg, but what is processed least efficiently. This limiting factor is Methionine. Also a difference between 580 and 700 is greater than 20%. Not trivial.

[@graysonrowe9780]

Me a carnivore: 😎

[@MariuszChr]

My awesome, the best and very well remembered mother was saving money giving not much proteins to me. I started to eat meat for every meal once I got independent (financially, and started my family) and that changed my life. More focused, more confident, more carrying. That all make sense. Eat your meat my friends. And don't forget vit D (or sun) :)

[@ManusPeperzak]

Very well membered?

[@xDDufiosy]

Vitamin d (and sunlight itself) is a a requirement for the body and it’s a shame people still don’t feel the need to supplement any.

[@Thesavagesouls]

@@ManusPeperzak 😂

[@El-Burrito]

Oh I member

[@sunshinestate1306]

Your mom has a nice member

[@DrummerRF]

So it must be impossible that i am building muscle with my average vegan diet. Great science here

[@Jarvis459]

This video doesn’t talk about dry fruits, grains like quinoa seeds like pumpkin etc which complements in complete nutrition to the vegetarian diet.

[@seppailmarinen5357]

Seeds are probably the worst food to digest

[@kazual9206]

Because they are the worst type of food you can ingest . For example, Quinoa (which is the best here) has a DIAAS is barely 0.7 (70ish percent) . For 100 gr of it cooked , you will have have 261 mg of leucine , of which only 182.7mg will be absorbed by your body. You need at least , for a 65kg adult , 2 535mg of it to meet the lower end. Which mean you would need to eat : 1 387 gr or 1.4kg of quinoa EVERY DAY ! That's insane !! On top of that, Quinoa , like most seeds, are chockful of Saponins and Oxalic acids .These compounds are why they are bitter btw. Usually you only eat it in small quantity so it doesn't matter, but at that point you will be literally poisoned gravely to the point your liver and kidney will start to fail and your digestive tracked burned by the corrosive action of the oxalic acids. Terrible terrible advice my friend.

[@vipproducts2975]

we dont need vagans here please!!

[@alexanderbarrientos8800]

@@seppailmarinen5357 what lmao their high in fiber wtf

[@magicf7076]

Of course not. The content can be the same.

[@SilentNights185]

Nobody just eats Lentils, he says.... *"stares at the room full of Vegans"*

[@SonicBoom474]

9:00 you are assuming that the body needs the different amino acids in the same amounts. So for example the amino acid you assume to be low could actually be enough if the body needs less of it than other acids

[@Mayranos]

Aren't those diaas scores for uncooked products?, when cooked the score almost doubles because heat makes them more absorbable.

[@sel2230]

Not to mention that these scores are based on studies made on rats.

[@1Kapachow1]

DIAAS isn't very useful because it doesn't consider combination of foods (at all), and the science on nutrition shows that what matters is the amino acid profile of an entire day of meals.

[@goku445]

DIAAS is complete rubbish.

[@b__w_4565]

and here i am learning cooked food actually destroys the vitamins and its what the elites want us to do......idek anymore lol

[@zlonewolf]

@nao fel your statement makes no sense. The foods mentioned are quoted as cooked unless its meant to eaten raw. Who the eff eats raw lentils or raw soybean or raw pork or eggs. Are you that dump or just foolishly pulling air quotes off the internet without using your brain? Whats the point then if youre just regurgitating carp as "facts"? Yea lets just pretend we all eat raw flour instead of bread, raw rice kernels instead of steamed rice, raw black beans instead of cooking them.

[@eganrabiee627]

The human body is so complicated to maintain in perfect, optimal condition that I just eat whatever food I want.

[@largecupenjoyer1459]

just eat meat eggs and a bit of veggies?

[@jamilljones2264]

​@@largecupenjoyer1459 yea I jus eat meat, fruits and veggies jus in case I don't miss any nutrients or have any defenciencies and to prevent any diseases

[@arianh]

One of the best videos that really educates people very well about how much protein we need.

[@andreamontemayor9635]

As someone with a gastric bypass, which is basicly reduced absorption and reduced stomach capacity, it is very very hard to hit those protein goals. I don't recommend this surgery at all.

[@pepper419]

I would recomend you go on a carnivore diet. Your health would improve out of sight. You don't eat much and very little comes out of the other end. Your body uses it all.

[@TechnoSan09]

Thanks for the clarification Yes ,I thought of going vegan but when researched about protein synthesis and needs of our body I changed my mind ,so I restricted to vegetarian diet With eggs and dairy it's much easier to hit the protein requirements efficiently although I don't eat meat

[@andreasrylander]

It's easier than most people think to get way more than enough protein as a vegan. Even past my 40's, my mass and strength is increasing :)

[@fatetestarossa2774]

@@andreasrylander Meat ftw : )))))))))))))

[@based54]

@@fatetestarossa2774 well cya when you're 50 and have e.d and heart disease !

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

"Lifting Vegan Logic" has highlighted the flaws in your video. I am sure he'd be happy to discuss this with you.

[@Assassin99584]

No he didn’t try again

[@Woodehs]

i wanna throw up, the amount of cherrypicking i literally cant watch anymore yeah, who knew someone who thinks you're a murderer for what you eat wouldn't give an unbias review