Wheel Of Time Episode 8 Review Finale - The Eye Of The World Deep Dive Reaction

[@disparutoo]

The Finale is here everyone, and it's a doozy! I didn't find it as offensively awful as episodes 6 and 7, but that's because it was so predictable, and we'd seen all these problems before. I basically predicted the whole story from the preview trailer and the supposedly emotional moment? Was undercut by the fact he'd barely appeared in the whole show to actually build up any attachment. But this is the end of season 1 so now we know it all, what are your thoughts? Were there any good bits? Did you love the show? Or wish it had never happened, and if so, what was your worst bit? I'm thinking of doing "supercut best bits" of all the reviews to condense them into the highlights. Does that sound like a good idea? Let me know below, and thanks for watching these....lets face it, massively long videos. I'm going to start live streaming on this channel in the very near future, so I hope to see you all there. Thanks for walking folks, appreciate you all!.

[@dododimitrov9657]

thanks for all the reviews, you brought justice to the original lore of RJ.

[@danieldefilippis8232]

It was so bad i laughed the whole time. The "prologue" was mind blowing in its stupidity. Thanks for the great videos!

[@mgntstr]

Lews Therin is the Dragon Reborn. Haha.

[@ChristmasLore]

So, we're basically neighbors! (I'm french!). I thought the accent reminded me of something I knew! Indeed, we Europeans (😉) tend to be more poised and more objective in our analysis.

[@Stryyder1]

The issue is not appearing Rand had the most screen time except Moraine. The issue is they did shit with his screen time....

[@malcolmhays2726]

The Wheel of Time has three main themes that are important to understanding the series. 1) The duality of men and women as part of the natural balance of the world. Every society and every culture in the series plays around with this idea in very important ways. From the smallest villages with their Village Councils and Womens' Circles to the grand world-shaping organizations of the White (female) and Black (male) Towers, this idea that men and women work both against each other and with each other to accomplish the greatest feats is absolutely central to the story. 2) Choices and consequences. Time and time again, the main characters are provided with key options and choices that have profound effects later in the story. Part of their growth and development is recognizing these choices and being willing to accept those consequences. Even at the very end of the story the Dragon Reborn is given options for resolving the conflict with the Dark One. The Creator gives all of the characters free will and allows them to exercise it as they see fit. Sometimes they make mistakes that come back to haunt them. 3) Sacrifice. All of the main characters are required to make tremendous sacrifices in order to further their goal towards saving the world. Again, their character arcs depend on them understanding the consequences of those sacrifices. The Dragon Reborn in particular is presumed to make the greatest sacrifice (his life) in order to save a world that actively hates him for it (not all the world, but enough people are terrified of him that he might as well be the Dark One in their minds). None of these themes are present in the television series. Instead we are shown a world where the "arrogance of men" left the Dark One free to wreak havoc on the world (spoiler: in the books a *woman* led the effort to drill a hole into the Dark One's prison). At every opportunity, men are denigrated and presented as cowards, running from every conflict. Only women have the strength to stand up and fight and succeed. Men always choose the wrong path. The supposed main characters are shuffled from set piece to set piece with little to no agency of their own. Whenever Rafe introduces material from the books it is stripped of essential context that gives that content significance. The entire show from beginning to end is an SJW skinsuit of the source material.

[@infinitelybland3741]

It will be difficult for anyone to contradict what you have sumned up...... Appalling adaptation and an agenda that does not fit anywhere except in the minds if the writers. The show is terrible on so many levels and with that budget? I wonder if it is the actual cost of each episode. Someone is cooking the books because what we see on screen definitely does not equate to money well spent.

[@stonedogbrother2644]

You sir, are 100% correct!

[@jonahdav9589]

Christian Linke and Alex Yee's Arcane a love letter to League of Legends. Rafe's non cannon Wheel of Woke a hate you letter burned on the grave of Robert Jordan. Not even 30 pieces of silver to Harriet and Sanderson and some loot bags to influencers will put out this garbage fire. If Rafe had shown the main themes he would have had to admite something against the woke religion, that there are dna men and women.

[@yissnakklives8866]

I'd describe your first point more from the point of unity vs divisions; the greatest works were achieved only when men and women worked together. Otherwise, well done!

[@Nobnoxious]

Only balefire can fix this mess.

[@leannalacy3012]

I read the books as a girl and when I heard Amazon had made a series I grabbed my teenage son and although he didn’t know anything about the books or the lore, I assured him there would be war strategy, epic battles and morality being tested. Yes, I admit, as a girl I wasn’t as interested in the battle scenes as I was the working of the power but I assured my son there was no way that this story could possibly be boring for him! He didn’t even make it past the second episode and the only way I did was because I switched to your videos so I wasn’t the ONLY ONE yelling at the tele saying “no! This destroys the entire moral of the story. No more working together, instead the women need to bring the men to heel, to distrust and disagree with them at every turn because they are responsible for the breaking of the world. Gross Amazon, just gross.

[@theabhorrentchef7226]

Yes indeed. I hope you tried to redeem WoT by giving your son the books. I wish I had read them in my younger years. Trap him in the car with an audiobook if necessary 😂 - that’s how I get my daughter started sometimes when I know she’ll like a book. After an hour drive with no choice but to listen she’ll get hooked

[@christianefiorito3204]

Yeah it is really disgusting

[@paulwolfley7785]

Favorite part was Perrin complaining that he's done nothing... then proceeded to do nothing 🤣

[@disparutoo]

What even is Perrin for? He went to ask what to do and they basically just thought him a fool and got him to dig lmao. He knew where all the real men were. It would have been better had he been there.

[@Bacchian]

Hey, now. He got startled by a bat. Have you been been startled by a bat? Sit down, sir.

[@grayavatar9766]

@@Bacchian I saw a tiny bat fly in to a girls hair once. It was hilarious 😂

[@TiroDvD]

@@disparutoo If I were charitable Perrin had to fulfilling plot points that were originally supposed to be for Mat, but the actor wasn't there. Fain v Mat makes for a good Evil Dark vs Good Dark (stealing but for his sisters.) But you see the writers had their hands busy with one on their nipple while the other was up the bum so the poor Video Editors had to recycle Perrin shots.

[@ChristmasLore]

@@disparutoo : he's there for the love triangle. Subverting expectations: he's in love with Rand, not Egwene.... (" I love him too"/ "me too")🤦🏼‍♀️

[@LordMaskin]

I am glad we were introduced to the forsaken. I just didn't realize it was Rafe Jenkins; he not only killed the dragon, but he managed to break The Wheel of Time and kill off the souls of every male character in the world. Congratulations Rafe, you are truly more evil then the Dark-one.

[@disparutoo]

He's still not as evil as Nynaeve and Egwene though.

[@Yoursoulismine814]

The part where Ishamael says, "Rand, I am your father", Lan says, "The black wind is coming!" and farts, and Perrin says he identifies as a Trolloc, I got chills.

[@dori4234]

Ring of Tamyrlin was an object of unknown properties that Lews Therin wore. Its speculated that it was one of the symbols of Aes Sedai leadership and given to the first among equals. Furthermore, you missed the part where Latra Posae Decume called Lews Therin the dragon reborn. He was not the dragon reborn, He was the Dragon, a nickname of honor given to him in the war against the shadow. Its crazy that nobody spotted this in the writers room. Even in the show Moiraine says: "And they named him Dragon", but forgot about it a few episodes later and now the champion of the light is just always the dragon reborn or something.

[@tonyg3091]

The "Reborn" addition made me laugh my ass off. Those folks have absolutely no clue.

[@williamjones3534]

It's pretty obvious these jackasses only researched the barest minimum needed. The bigger question is this, "Where was the WOT girl? They hired that worthless bitch because her claim to fame was that she read the books over 30 times! Where was the gate keeping of the lore? It's pretty apparent that bitch was asleep on the job

[@Dave3Dman]

Wow I had thought they were just changing the lore again with the dragon as they have been doing with pretty much all the lore especially since in the first episode Moiraine kept calling Lews "the last (previous) dragon" which I found stupid and clunky but thats a side note. However I must have missed Moiraine saying "And they named him Dragon". They cant even keep their butchered lore straight how unbelievable. Do you remember roughly at what point she said that?

[@mikel2529]

The only sad thing about this season ending is we won’t get these entertaining videos. This one and Knights Watch are actually better than the show. I would never be able to sit through a 2 hour episode of the Amazon Wheel of Woke Time, but this review I could have kept watching for another hour at least. Keep up the good work.

[@victorvalandybernard7944]

Too many diversity for u own taste I suppose

[@mikel2529]

@@victorvalandybernard7944 lol, what?

[@victorvalandybernard7944]

@@mikel2529 Explain to me . And by the way i hate the Show. U calmes the Wheel of woke time.. why

[@mikel2529]

@@victorvalandybernard7944 I claim the show should be called Wheel of Woke Time because of the Woke agenda they try to spread in the show. The message Rafe is putting out in this show is clear from his Tweets about it and the show so far. Plus I include that as this isn’t the Wheel of Time, people want to say it’s a another turning of the wheel and it is the woke turning of the wheel.

[@victorvalandybernard7944]

I dont Like what they did to matt

[@The_Dragon_Knight]

About time, Knight’s Watch was hilarious. Thanks mate, I’m dying laughing right now.

[@disparutoo]

Ha yes sorry these take quite a while for me to make. I started to wonder if I could speed it up by not making notes of teh show and just filming this as I'm watching it. Not sure how that would turn out, but we'll see. And yes I loved their stream, especially the spider escapades from the superchat. You couldn't write something like that.

[@Minwolf]

I am a fan of the books, regardless of what they did with the show. I have always been at least a little weary about books being adapted into shows and movies and every time they change them like they did with the wheel of time, it only makes me a lot more skeptical and weary for the next series that will show up that is adapted from books.

[@disparutoo]

I don't want any of the IPs I like adapted until companies realise that it's very easy to make money, and all they have to do is stop hiring people who don't want your product to succeed and make money. Who think other things are more important than success. But yes, there is no reason any show should ruin the books for anyone. They're totally seperate, I don't see the show as even wheel of time let alone cannon, I mean it when I say it's fan fiction, just expensive fan fiction. But I have been used to this with many other properties for several decades now, so I've gotten used to cutting off work and separating it from original quality work.

[@Minwolf]

@@disparutoo With how drastic the changes are from the books I can't help but think of the show as fan fiction myself.

[@FeebleAntelope]

// I don't want any of the IPs I like adapted until companies realise that it's very easy to make money.... We have a long record of companies screwing up comic book movie adaptations in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. It's not easy. But for better or worse, the main priority of companies is to make money, and the people who rise up through the ranks of corporations are financially minded, not creatives. // and all they have to do is stop hiring people who don't want your product to succeed and make money。 Who think other things are more important than success。 The corporate people hiring the Rafe Judkins's of the world are not trying to be idiots. They have the bottom line to think of, first and foremost. The problem is that they aren't creatives but they are control freaks driven by fear of losing money. So they often meddle. And they often choose people who kiss ass well. Which is what I imagine Judkins did.

[@tilemacro]

@@FeebleAntelope Its so easy to make money if you already have money. That's why you see zero effort put into it. Just another triumph of capitalism. The companies structure is that of a tribe or big family, and less of a meritocracy. You just got to know the right people and get a chance to make more money. In what Meritocracy do you give 80 million $ and expect a big success like Game of thrones, hiring a guy with the experience of writing a few Tv episodes of a filler series with completely average to low ratings.

[@johnstrawb3521]

@Minwolf Skepticism is one thing, but it's just faster if you dismiss out of hand any series that in the first minutes gratuitously attacks men, or whites. If that's what's permitted, the series will not be worth watching.

[@grumpysmurf666]

Moraine has no idea what to do...because the writers have no idea what to do.

[@disparutoo]

A MASSIVE problem with complex tv series are that the episodes all have different writers. I never paid attention to it before. But how on earth do they expect to swap writers on the episodes, and have characters stay the same, all the writers have the same knowledge about the source material, AND all have the same vision on events for the future. It's an INSANE way to run a production.

[@grumpysmurf666]

@@disparutoo 100 percent agree

[@ChristmasLore]

@@grumpysmurf666 , seems like episodes 1&8 were written by Rafe himself, and they're the most widely disliked...

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

unlike the book where Moraine is a real badass and shoots fireballs at the Forsaken at the end of the first novel. The show is a bad joke and travesty to Robert Jordan's amazing epic fantasy novels.

[@Mirekluk]

@@GuitarsAndSynths Yeah, I loved her "Then I turned and I saw bloody forsaken in there. Anyway, I started blasting"

[@mattafrack5613]

Imagine knowing so little about the lore and being put in charge of this show.

[@disparutoo]

And that's the most GENEROUS interpretation. Because the alternative is that he knows the lore, and hates it so much he is deliberately destroying Jordan's legacy.

[@tonyg3091]

@@disparutoo They do it on purpose, yes.

[@jasonpratt5126]

Worse, imagine being hired specifically to be the continuity and lore editor on this show! That was a job! -- I could find her name in the credits!

[@antonsimachkov6255]

As I remember the talk about adapting the series had begun even before the last book was written, so they had more than enough time to read it.

[@disparutoo]

@@antonsimachkov6255 yes time to read books is only a question when its a hobby. When its your job and youre getting paid to do it, you can cram them in in a reasonable time. But even if the showrunner didnt. There are PLENTY of people who have who can see the holes in this that could have corrected him. The answer isnt that they didnt know. Its that they didnt care

[@Dhowlan]

I should like to see this disclaimer included in the introduction of every future episode of this trash: "In the interest of clarity and to avoid further confusion, we henceforth refer to The Woke of Time TV series by Rafe Judkins. Any similarity to The Wheel of Time book series by Robert Jordan, is purely coincidental. Rafe Judkins apologises unreservedly for accidentally giving the TV series an incorrect and already copyrighted title." Did you notice how the Yin-Yang symbol at the Eye of the World was damaged when Rand did his thing? The very symbol of male and female Aes Sedai had to be destroyed because it was binary...lol. Funny how it survived when they showed Lews Therin fighting there. I pray for this atrocious garbage to be cancelled, and live in hope that somebody somewhere at some point will create a faithful adaptation of the book series.

[@disparutoo]

Lol I struggle with it sometimes because I'll just say "the wheel of time is trash" when I mean the TV show and not the books. And only realise later, people might not realise what I mean by that. So yes some differentiation would be good. Also the Aes Sedai symbol being broken did make sense *SPOILERS* because that was what was made from Cuendillar. Meaning, that symbol was the seal on the dark ones prison. Or at least one of them. I think they wrote this to wrap up the entire plot in 1 series if need be. So that was your open ended entry to season 2. But it looks like rather than small discs being the seals to his prison that can move around. Here they might be fixed locations with huge symbols in the ground that will need to be broken. So that bit at least, I can forgive them as the actual discs were also this. That said, you're probably not wrong about them loving to do it all the same for that reason.

[@Dave3Dman]

I still cant decide between "The Woke of Time" or "The Wheel of Woke" but leaning towards the second.

[@carpediem6431]

@@Dave3Dman I prefer WOT = Waste of Time

[@tonyg3091]

@@carpediem6431 Indeed

[@DJ0045]

Sadly, I doubt they’ll remake this in our lifetimes. This show is likely to fail, and future studios will be afraid to touch it. Of course, the reason it might fail, its political nonsense, will never be seen as the main cause. Instead the IP will be blamed, despite the fact that this show has nothing to do with the original work.

[@paulwolfley7785]

I started laughing half way through, it's better if you look at it like a comedy doing a parody of woke shows 🤣 EVERY scene was a woke check list

[@disparutoo]

The moment the wall fell and we cut to the women just standing in the dessert and I realised....they're going to wipe them all out. I burst out laughing too. Definitely around half way through 5 I kinda broke and just started laughing at the show. That slipped for episode 7, but I think that's because they started showing the characters again and it was fresh destruction. But now I realise all of their patterns and rules. It was so predictable none of it bothered me and I was laughing at regular points. Including the Loial moment. It was so meaningless and had so little impact when you could tell, they thought this was their BIG high point.

[@paulwolfley7785]

@@disparutoo a hero rises to the challenges put in front of them. A Mary Sue the universe bends to let them win

[@liberTvalance]

The lengths people go through to defend this show is almost as funny. It's impossible to immerse yourself in this show.

[@marcobhuachalla9814]

The opening scene was enough for me. I knew what this was immediately! Absolutely heartbreaking what they’ve done to this amazing story. You’re right, the only way through this is to laugh at all the bullshit! The Waste Of Time! The Woke Weaves As The Woke Wills!

[@osvaldoalvarez1926]

I watched the whole season, and re read the first book and had it on audible and decided to listen to it at work, and re watched episode 1, after 15 minutes i wanted to turn it off, Nynaeve acted like a thug when Lan came to the inn, and i can swear they gave Egwane the burn mark on her arm to insinuate that she slept with Perrin( so subtle on those looks)

[@jasonpratt5126]

Wow, even back in late July Rafe knew for sure that the fans were going to hate his work...

[@disparutoo]

Even in 2018 he was telling people he'd change it all and "fix it". His tweets and interviews have been wild lmao

[@NathanSmith-ei3hc]

Hey mate, just finished binge watching your wheel of Time posts and I just want to congratulate you on them. They were both insightful and bloody hilarious. Thanks a heap for all the work that you did to create these posts and also well done for surviving the series, I jumped ship after just 3 episodes, it felt like a part of me was dying watching this train wreck of an "adaptation". Thanks again, they were bloody great✌️

[@disparutoo]

No thank you dude. While there was a tonne of work that was put into them it was made more than worthwhile to hear comments like this. Before the videos, it felt like I was going insane. All the other youtube videos I saw at first loved the show. The comments allowed me to meet and talk to others who agreed. And to hear someone binge watched all of them is awesome. Ive done that with Knights watch videos before and it's a huge time commitment. I myself would have stopped after I think it was 4. I mentioned it in the video when I would have been done. But the videos had such a great reception, it was definitely worth it to keep going. So thanks for watching and for your time. I'm glad you enjoyed them :)

[@rangerstedfast]

@@disparutoo I'm also on a binge here, your stuff is incredibly entertaining and insightful

[@PQBMO]

At 5:00. I'm not sure the show even establishes that they were at war with the shadow. Looks like they are conflating the strike at Shayol Ghul with the drilling of the bore itself. Which is horrible.

[@disparutoo]

Ive seen others suggest similar. In my original uncut footage I comment that when he says " we have a chance to do something noone has done before"hes making it soubd like the dark one has always been around. Not like hes a recent problem.

[@ardendragoon]

That scene was in Egwene's accepted test, when she stepped through the doorway.

[@disparutoo]

I find it disgusting that Rand would dare steal screen time from Egwene, even going so far as to take one of her scenes.

[@ChristmasLore]

Yes, in her accepted test, their baby is named Joiya... But worst, the scene quite gives up the en of the whole series, when the DO tempted Rand with creating his own realities... Giving up the end in season 1, well done indeed....

[@MSpotatoes]

There is more passion for the Wheel of time in this channel and comments than Amazon and all its shills combined.

[@disparutoo]

Which is the really sad thing. There are so many people who could have solved the problems of this show. Who could have pointed out all the problems from script alone. The reason they are still in isnt for lack of knowledge or potential. Its deliberate.

[@christianefiorito3204]

This is the same as with rings of power. Disparu had me read the whole series 3 times and made me totally passionate about this world snd its heroes. The show I have written off.

[@ardendragoon]

Moiraine has forgotten how to set up wards. Flicker, flicker, flicker. I win again, Lews Therin.

[@grumpysmurf666]

Rand seeing the script for the first time line was hilarious

[@disparutoo]

Dude when you go through that dream sequences in detail the start of it is all these weird faces on closeups of him. I have no idea what they were thinking lmao.

[@grumpysmurf666]

@@disparutoo 🤣🍻

[@malcolmhays2726]

I think this show cemented its legacy perhaps by being able to destroy part of the lore of the source material in the opening of EVERY SINGLE EPISODE! Well done, Rafe! /sarc

[@Jezza_One]

The first five minutes of episode 1 destroyed the entire series.

[@disparutoo]

The most dangerous place for anyone to go is back in time in a series as it can retcon out of existence decades of work. This is why its the FIRST place bad actors want to go. Happened in Dr Who, and it has here.

[@malcolmhays2726]

@@disparutoo Excellent point about Doctor Who. One of the best things about the show was the mystery surrounding the Doctor. Then Chibnall had to go and explain it. Idiot. In WoT, we are only presented with snippets of the past, mostly from those who had lived it, along with fragments of lore that had survived the Breaking. That gave the Age of Legends a proper mystique about it and a sense of wonder for everything that came out of the AoL.

[@merrick1588]

@@malcolmhays2726 only reason the mostly left the age of legends alone is because it would have taken more money away from what they were embezzling.

[@mikel2529]

Did you catch in the beginning with the subtitles, the woman is speaking and she says “saidin” which translates in this show to “out of control”. And this is before the breaking. The lady also refers to Lews as “the dragon REBORN”, even though he should be the first dragon.

[@disparutoo]

Yes, that first section of the video was actually REALLY long, I ended up cutting a lot of it to just keep it at pace. As I didn't think I could bring those up without explaining more etc and it felt clunky in an already long video. I saw Saidin translate to "your power" though. And the reborn comment was insane, adn REALLY shows they have NO IDEA about the lore they are writing a show about. I heard comments that the staff had barely read any of the books, and barely any had read more than the first one MAYBE two. And it shows.

[@mikel2529]

@@disparutoo it could have been “your power”, her line is “Your power will be out of control” when she says saidin but she does say it at the end of the sentence which is why I thought it translated to that but I could have been mistaken. Either way, love the reviews and the in-depth take you and Knights Watch have on this show. The other reviews I’ve seen that are supposedly in-depth are like 30 min. No way that is looking at all the crap in these episodes

[@KCSamurai]

If I was Amazon, I'd want to do an Audit and find out where all the money went

[@ChristmasLore]

For real!

[@disparutoo]

Much like charities, its amazing how much money can go to the top staff when they set their own wages.

[@nullpexception]

It was the truckloads of cocaine and ex flooding the writing room.

[@grumpysmurf666]

Your rants on this show and other rants are epic. Keep up the great work bud. Definitely looking forward to your future videos. Cheers 🍻

[@disparutoo]

I did what I think is a great video on supergirl a while back which reviews the whole characters in that show and how awful they are. Then did a Flash review which I guess was an early version of these reviews. They were cool to do I think they're among my best videos. And cheers, I'm not sure how people will take to videos that are not wheel of time lmao, but this past month or so has certainly been great with views so I appreciate everyone who took the time to watch them :)

[@wafflingmean4477]

The thing that annoys me the most about all of this is that people who don't read always assume we're just mad that some random character with 2 lines from the books didn't appear on screen for 2 seconds, and that the show itself wasn't 400 hours long. I feel like back when Lord of the Rings and then Harry Potter were becoming huge for mainstream film that's what most non book readers assumed we were whining about. The difference there is that overall Peter Jackson and the writers for the Harry Potter movies tried to cram in as much from the books as possible, mostly changing only what they needed to. The only majorly egregious example is in HP when they took away a lot of Ron's big character moments. Jackson left some big things out but ultimately Tolkien wrote LOTR before a lot of skillsets and conventions of writing had really been developed. Worldbuilding was his priority, so of course Treebeard (not entirely) and Tom Bombadil were set aside. But overall, both adaptations were pretty solid, and good stories in their own right. Hell, even splitting Deathly Hallows into two parts was a really good call. It spawned a bunch of 2 parter young adult abominations that dragged out their story just because Harry Potter split a book into two movies, but Deathly Hallows had a MASSIVE amount of story to work through, and one movie wouldn't have done it justice. Back then, a fan favourite character like Peeves the ghost prankster being left out was all we really had to worry about, and people assume that's the level of crap we're mad about now because these people DON'T FUCKING READ!!! We're pissed off because these shows are written by talentless hacks who deliberately change everything they can from the ground up because they don't want to adapt a story, and after spitting in our face can't even write something at least high quality on its own before demanding our money and then just calling us sexist and racist because that generates a scandal, which generates social media campaigns, which generate more money. It's literally just a bunch of talentless hacks rage baiting people because otherwise they'll get fired when their show inevitably flops. Here's an idea, rather than changing EVERYTHING about an existing story and running it into the ground, maybe... write your own? No? Because that requires effort? D&D players come up with better stories with two hours of work from their fucking living rooms than people hired by billion dollar corporations with YEARS to plan.

[@maucholm6836]

They made rand brake the seal too! Even though they know nothing about it. I wonder how they carried those 3-4 metre seals around the world after the breaking with no means to do so!

[@disparutoo]

And they're at fixed locations so everyone should know where they are! whereas with the small seals they could be in a box hidden in an attic and forgotten. They make changes when they cannot comprehend the ripples those changes send out. Which is why they contradict themselves so often.

[@maucholm6836]

The wheel of time moment in this episode is fain taking the dagger and horn. But it’s in the wrong season

[@disparutoo]

Aye, although I assume they wont have Fal Dara in S2 which is why they couldn't have Moiraine bring it back in the first episode there and everything follow on. Everything else could have fit with Fain being there, they could have even had him imprisoned and still tell Perrin what he said. But I do understand they need to condense things, so I'm not too concerned if they bring stuff forwards as long as it fits and doesn't ruin other arcs.

[@davezdude3200]

And that box for the Horn!! I'm rereading TGH right now (okay, re-listening to) and the horn was secured in a large box that Fain cannot open - it's so heavy, that Rand has to bring Loial along to carry it when he goes to steal the Horn and Dagger (after admitting to himself that he alone cannot lift it). We don't yet know if Fain can open the box or not, but certainly they are carrying the box around like it weighs nothing

[@maucholm6836]

Nynaeves face burns off.. “ FINALLY!” 🤣👍

[@disparutoo]

Dude I wait seasons for characters to get their just deserts, and they always have some plot armour nonsense to get them out of it. It happened to John Snow and now it's here lmao.

[@swampdonk3y712]

The way that the channelers move while channeling is comical. Like what do you think the directors were saying when they were filming those scenes? “Yeah that was good, but could you wave your arms even more this time. Also shake your body like your an epileptic child in a disco.”

[@disparutoo]

My favourite bit from my ep7 review is likening them to dodging agents in the matrix at the end of the ways after Nynaeve has her "im the creator" moment. The best thing about making videos this long and unscripted, while having a terrible memory. Is I can go back and make myself laugh with bits like that.

[@oldladyhembrew797]

I looked forward and followed the show for 3 years. Dusty Wheel script unblurrings, 10 hour livestream dissecting the trailer I was there as excited as a kid waiting for Xmas. When the 1st 3 eps dropped I will never forget my utter dismay at what I had just watched, or my total confusion when I went and watched the Dusty Wheel and all I heard was praise. I actually rewatched the 1st 3 eps again in case I had imagined how bad it was. I hadn't imagined it and every subsequent episode just got worse. Fast forward to this week when my mate from Scarborough was staying with me and wanted to watch the show. We binge watched the whole thing and I can safely say that no, it doesn't get better on a rewatch..................it's worse, much worse because you pick up on glaring plot holes and ridiculous dialogue that you missed first time round. I found your channel today and your video had me in stitches. I hope you are going to be covering Amazon's LotR show because I have a feeling it's going to be a disaster on an even grander scale than WoT.

[@PQBMO]

at 35:00. So much of this show seems to require book knowledge in order to make sense of it. But people with book knowledge are going to be upset with what they are doing because it makes no sense. what an awful show.

[@KnightoftheRose98]

Just found your summaries now and they're all spot on. So they're definitely changing things because Agelmar is one of the Five Great Captains in the setting. He lead a major force during the last battle in the series. They are really making major deviations more than is required to adjust the story.

[@ashwinleonard]

Hahaha! I love the part where Disparu is insinuating that Rafe Judkins = Dark one, when he says 'Dark one wanted only his version to survive'.

[@disparutoo]

Lol without timestamps I can't go back to remind myself of my exact words. But from memory it wasn't just that. It's a wider point that is true to the books of the lore, *SPOILERS* there is a scene towards the end where the dark one is showing Rand worlds he would create when he won. And some of them are a paradise....until Rand looks closer and realises no-one has free will, they have no soul as they can make no choices. They are drones* Evil is always the same.

[@ashwinleonard]

@@disparutoo I know, was just highlighting a possible option. I hate the guys for spoiling the book. There is no character that we can look up to. Important characters have been written off(Loial, elayne, morgase, Gareth Byrne,… ) Nyneave steals Randy’s thunder. ‘Dark one’ vanishes in a puff. And god, Perrin is basically a village fool. My frustration mimics yours w.r.t. this series. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone who hasn’t read the books may judge the series to be just boring or bad, without understanding the depth of the lore.

[@hyperbolicninja]

Cant wait to see what review next. This dumpster fire of a show was a beacon of oily smoke that showed me the way to your channel. Hopefully they jump forward a few million turns of the wheel so we can see the characters we all know and love from the books

[@disparutoo]

I'm still supporting the dark one this time around, if he breaks the wheel it's game over. Lets see all of them fall to the dark.

[@hyperbolicninja]

@@disparutoo have you heard any reasons as to why Barney left the show? I hated the Mat they wrote, but goddamn did he do a great job.

[@shazariahl]

You could make a two hour video just about the cold open. It was so bad. Where is evidence of the war? Lews and the 100 companions acted in sheer desperation since they were losing the war completely. Also, I may be wrong but I thought the women's plan was also hopeless because the access keys were lost. It wasn't just foolhardy, it was also doomed because it was no longer even possible.

[@disparutoo]

I err.....talked for about 30 minutes on it at least lmao. I cut a LOT out of that. I spoke at length about their use of Saidin as a word while translating it to another meaning and what that meant. In the end I cut a lot out simply to keep some kind of pace to it.

[@Panthineguardian]

@@disparutoo I'm glad you mentioned that. Translating Saidin to "your power" just further undermined the duality of the one power. Maybe the rumor that this is just actually the true power (dark one's) has merit. And this "new turning of the wheel" is just after the dark one has won and the dark one is just playing chess against himself for amusement.

[@ChristmasLore]

Indeed, both plans were doomed, and they knew it. Hence, LTT last attempt with his "1oo" Companions (+their army) was both desperate and heroic. As Rand/LTT, he does describe himself ad arrogant (once or twice), but they misunderstand why (Both Rafe &.showsworns): it's only because he thought he could do it all alone, sacrificing only himself (or so he thought): it was about them all. That's not at all the arrogance they do imply, as if he truly was an arrogant human being. The cold open of episode 1, Moiraine repeatedly, then now the "Tamyrlin" (🤦🏼‍♀️), they reinforce this idea of his arrogance as his main character trait, a main men character trait, and they slaughter the concept of Saidin-Saidar, by making the men tainting Saidin, not the DO. The use of "filthy" as a first introduction is so wrong from a writing point of view, cause first time viewer are presented with an information, that's what sticks...

[@disparutoo]

There is no doubt in my mind they have not kept 2 halves of the power. Even their animations clearly show the power being clean until the man touches it, then it gets dirty once he connects with it. They may fix this in later series, but until they do, everything in this series is written in order to deliberately say there is one power.

[@bloodrunsclear]

Did you notice when he kills the dark one he destroys the male section of the symbol? Subtle.

[@maucholm6836]

She calls Lews Therrin the dragon reborn?!……………… He is the dragon

[@disparutoo]

Ha yes, I can't remember if I kept that in this video or not, I cut out a LOT of me talking about that intro to keep it a faster pace, a lot of talking about their use of Saidin etc. Absolutely laughable, to call him the dragon reborn. It's like, they were referring to him from previous turnings. But when you hit one part of the turn you have long forgotten that part of the turn ever happening before. So there wouldn't even be myths of the dragon by that point.

[@DameTara]

Yep the writers of this show suck

[@JaysSavvy]

I've watched, subbed, and I'm getting notifications because you are the only one to give a truly honest review of this abomination. Thank you for being honest, sir. That is all. You've earned this sub.

[@TacticalArtisan]

About an hour and a half in and I've subscribed. You're killing me... definitely going to watch the other videos.

[@disparutoo]

Thank you, I know full well these videos are huge time commitments. So to hear people like them so much they'll even go back and watch others is high praise. The videos definitely evolve over time, at first as the show stuck more to the books I took a different tack with it. Then 3 and 4 went massively downhill, and about half way through 5 you can see where I just kinda gave up and started taking the piss out of it.

[@hibiscus779]

Admittedy, when I was reading the books (when they were coming out one by one), I often got the sense that Jordan wasn't sure what to do with Perrin. His plotline was kinda cringe/forced and separate from the other two main characters.

[@hammerofscience534]

Thank God for this video been waiting all day for it.....Going to save it until late tonight when I can truly enjoy it. What does it say about Amazon that I will set aside time to watch your videos but never watch WoT again.

[@disparutoo]

Lmao thank you, I appreciate it. And I think it says that companies should be careful who they hire. Amazon had a money printing machine here, and they to do was hire someone competent to operate it.

[@polishFantasyEN]

Man I am so glad that Knights Watch led me to you. Great content and looking forward to more; maybe you'll do Witcher S02 reviews as well, it's almost as bad as Waste of Time here (although without these levels of bad intent)? One remark: you don't believe Moiraine got stilled because it wouldn't make sense. I would say at this point of time having no sense is exactly the point I fully believe that's what happened. No worries though, Nyan or Egw will heal her in no time. Also also, once long ago, in actual world, no magic involved, approx. 300 men held a canyon of roughly Gap's size against the army at least 70k men (that's the most humble estimate). The fact that here Fal Dara's army COULD NOT HELD AGAINST 10k Trollocs, no siege eq, no ranged weapons, no formations, no strategy, just full zombie mode, makes them incredibly pathetic. None of that battle made sense. It looked as they were seeing and fighting their enemy for the first time.

[@NWMoors-oo3st]

Still baffled that they have a pool of water actually at the EOTW (24:40) that Rand and Moraine walk thru, but didn't use it. Why build it on the set then?

[@disparutoo]

I'm pretty sure that's just a puddle of rain. The entire thing is just a hole in the ground so the rain would have come in wiht no roof. Begs the question....why did the Aes Sedai not put a roof on it? Were they meant to have channeled air over the place all the time? They probably thought the water on the floor made it look old, decrepit and dank. I bet the set designers don't even know anything about the wheel of time to even think that water in there should have been the eye.

[@DarthHugsALot]

My favourite part is the moment during the first scene when they sre supposedly speeking the Old Tongue and Lews literally just casually names the Dark One out loud... when the Bore is fully exposed and the Shaddow's influence lies heaviest on the Pattern... yep, sounds exactly how Jorden intended the lore to work...

[@Agantyr23]

I waited for this!

[@disparutoo]

Ha great to hear dude, I appreciate your time and the sentiment :)

[@Nomisdoowtsae]

Twitter is a cellpool.... that you choose to swim in? Kidding, good reviews thanks. Have a great New Years

[@disparutoo]

I joined it when I started to do more with this channel. It's unfortunate because it's where a lot of news is made, where companies post and as an aggregator or creator of news. Because so many showrunners etc will post on it. That's why you'll see so many people on it, who hate it. Luckily, you can largely curate the posts you get in your feed so you can cut out a clean part of the cesspool. And thank you for the kind words, have a great New Years too :)

[@maucholm6836]

The worst argument I hear is that there isn’t enough time to bring the books truely to the screen. Yet the comments about descriptions being 40% of the books is also used as a reason to change things. A woman’s dress takes 0 seconds to describe if you are already looking at her. Would be interested to know how many hours of dialog and actual events are in the books and we would see how many hours it would take to run the books in real time without the descriptions. They certainly had time for these un necessary cold opens.

[@grayavatar9766]

How long are the audio books?

[@ryanodom6101]

@@grayavatar9766 The Eye of the World, done by Kate Reading and Michael Kramer, is just shy of 30 hours in total, but that includes an interview with RJ at the end. One of the issues with removing all the descriptions of stuff is that we lose the internal monologues from the characters. Again, some of that could be handled with actual dialogue or physical acting, but even then you'd likely still have more than 8 hours of just dialogue. I didn't care that some condensing needed to happen. What bothers me much more is the total disregard for really important details and creation of entirely new content (looking at you, episodes 4-6) that, in addition to being stupid, did absolutely nothing to move the plot along.

[@NikhilChandra]

Elan Morin grimaced. "Look at you," he said scornfully. "Once you stood first among the Servants. Once you wore the Ring of Tamyrlin, and sat in the High Seat. Once you summoned the Nine Rods of Dominion. Now look at you!." Even devil knew but not Amazon

[@grumpysmurf666]

As soon as Moraine said that she wouldn't teach him that means there is no divided OP. So no need for the Bore. This show is so dumb

[@disparutoo]

As far as I'm concerned, only 1 power and 1 side was confirmed many episodes ago. I agree its just been ever MORE confirmed as the episodes have gone on since. I put some stuff in this episode just so if in the future I say something and someone argues in a comment, I'll just point them at the review and be like "proof". As I'll forget, but my arguments will already be made.

[@mr.s2005]

23.26 I think Rand misinterpreted the "sheathing the blade" technique

[@disparutoo]

He'll be working on that with Perrin in season 2 don't worry.

[@drfathertime]

@@disparutoo bro, ew lol

[@bobscrogins8080]

Leave it to Amazon to turn an EPIC book series like the Wheel Of Time into a WOKE JOKE and for no reason except to push an agenda. The book's as written are already progressive with strong female characters but that's not good enough for Amazon they have to change the lore, change the race of the main characters, add underage sex, make warders gay, make Moraine gay Ext. Ext. This adds nothing to the story but turns it into a WOKE Disaster, thanks again Amazon and I did watch all eight episode's although is was hard to do, as for addition season's nope I pass got better things to do like watch PAINT DRY. At least The Witcher is still good until Netflix wrecks it.

[@alexanderorbell6455]

Witcher season 2 was on par with WoT as a complete desolation of the lore and plot

[@leonielson7138]

According to Rafe Judkins, the show is 'Another Turning of the Wheel' ... being told by the Dark One. 1. The Dragon Reborn might be a woman, but in WOT, your soul determines your gender, so a man will never be reborn as a woman unless the Dark One transposes your soul. 2. The characters claim that both men and women can use the same parts of the One Power, which is an aspect of the Dark One's True Power.

[@Frankhill425]

Haha. Opening the door to Padan Fain and two fades. Reminded me of your call in the last review. "Jokes on you. Its a Trolloc" Shame he didnt whistle this time. Wouldnt matter though. Only Egwene can hear him whistle. Maybe his whistle is at a frequency only Trollocs and Egwene can hear....

[@coreycoleman7973]

Got my favorite stiff drink, a good snack, and a dim room. My wait is over, and now my watch begins. Been loving your videos, and helped convince me to binge the audios for the books since your first review.

[@disparutoo]

I'm glad that they can get the books more readers. They deserve it and are well worth your time. I also recommend stormlight saga, mistborn and if you like darker stories, the nighr angel trilogy. There are others like the lightbringer chronicles but thats more than enough for a long time lmao. The biggest shame about this show is they may put people off the books, and that the show is so bad itll never have the effect for the IP that LOTR movies had for those.

[@dpmguimaraes]

Thank God I found this sane analysis. I can't believe (yes I can) the absolute shit coming out of the WoT community channels. Those channels love "the message" (to quote the drinker). This show was an abject disaster. I mean, I expected it to be bad and oh boy, it did not disappoint. From the very opening sequece where the red sisters chased the dude down on horseback, it was obvious how bad the show was going to be. It is too bad too, because they did do a couple of things well, such as the person they cast to play Thom. Anyway, thanks for the time and effort you put into this. Good analysis.

[@NikhilChandra]

I simply love you man. Thank for voicing what as a book fan I think. They destroyed the book and three taverens

[@grumpysmurf666]

This episode I found as bad as episode 1. I think in the whole season that there are maybe 20 minutes of decent television. But I now wish this series had never been. I was hoping that they fixed the lore but they just broke more book lore and even show lore. I have given up on this series. But love your videos

[@disparutoo]

That's interesting because I didn't think this was as bad as 5,6 and 7. But it might be because by this point I'm numb to their destruction so it just didn't bother me. I think the best episode was 2, then 1, then went downhill each one from 3 onwards. But I'm not sure where to rank this last one in the list. Probably after 4 and before 5.

[@grumpysmurf666]

@@disparutoo I think I didn't like this one as much because of the fact that the writing was so bad and convoluted that it broke it's own lore. I have come to expect book lore raping but to actually mess up your own show lore is just too much.

[@grumpysmurf666]

I think I rank the series as 4 7 2 3 6 5 8 1 but it is more of just parts of those episodes because overall they are all bad

[@thehoogard]

It wasn't Lews Therins arrogance which drew him and the companions to do the strike at the Bore, it was desperation. Desperation because even after Lews Therin agreed to the other plan (of constructing the Choeden Khal), and they made a mess of it and lost the acess keys, the women still refused to entertain his original plan. Even when it was the only plan still viable. No, they expected the keys to somehow magically show up. Lews Therin displayed humbleness, willingness to compromise, to yield to the consensus. He only acted against it when no other option was available. As such, it was not arrogance. It was anything but. It was a sacrifice. A desoerate gamble, that half-worked. I can understand why the remaining Aes Sedai (and all the people since) viewed him as the worldbreaker and kin-slayer, but for them to actually potray it as "truth" with this cold-opening was shameful.

[@annarien4333]

They did Nynaeve very, very dirty in this episode, Nynaeve in the books would never in life have stood by and watched people die, she is the epitome of "I can save anyone and heal anything." Egwene is a little bitch in the books, so I don't mind that she's now ridiculously OP and full blown evil. I think I would have been happy with this season if they'd all died and there would not be a season 2. There is something good out of this shitfuckery. I found your channel and the Knight's Watch and I've been very entertained thanks to you clever and funny guys.

[@disparutoo]

*SPOILER WARNING FOR WHOLE COMMENT* Thank you for the kind words and I appreciate your time. Yes Nynaeve is the classic medic who would save a wounded enemy on the battlefield. She would even *SPOILER WARNING* heal potentially apocalyptic enemies like Logain just to see if she COULD beacuse she was so curious about pushing healing capabilities. Meanwhile Egwene? Oh I can casually cure death. Death is specifically the realm of the dark one. The only answer that could explain her doing it, is the dark one gave her that power and she is now his. Ooops Rafe.

[@ChristmasLore]

@@disparutoo , I hate with a passion the 3 "super gurls" , Nynaeve, Egwene and Elayne. In the books, I loved Siuan, Birgitte and Min. Hated all Aes Sedai except Verin. And Moiraine once she gets with Thom. The whole, complex hard magic system is now reduced to a vague soft magic system with Harry Potter "love magic*...

[@disparutoo]

@@ChristmasLore i cant remember who said it, but i have a feeling its Brandon Sanderson discussing magic systems and the two types. One with defined rules, positives and negatives. Consequences. And the other where its just "magic" and is never defined, just used to do whatever the writer needs at that time and can be anything. The former is the only one that made sense to me, and its what we used to have. But this show switched to the latter as a crutch.

[@FiliusFidelis]

@@ChristmasLore yeah, always did have a softspot for Verin Sedai.

[@laiq4673]

The best of Amazon WOT it's your reviews man! I hate this corruption of the wonderful R. Jordan world. I enjoyed watching honest review full of rage (Like I feel). But Disparu was the best of all. Thnx u man.

[@disparutoo]

Thank you, these were fun to do and even though they took AGES to make. The comments made it all worth while cheers.

[@UncensoredScion]

Angreal and Sa'angreal are more like Power Transformers, for reference think of those big honking blocks that can be seen in some electronics that allow the device to pull more power from the mains without the device exploding. Every Aes Sedai has an upper range for themselves on what they can and cannot pull from the One Power, an Angreal acts as a conduit through which they pull the One Power through and that item is the upper limit, same with a Sa'angreal as it is orders of magnitude greater than the first, which means they pull through the item than themselves. It's why a Circle is similar to it and before Brandon got involved was also safe to pull through as the link isn't pulling from one person but multiple and feeding back through each one, with only one controlling the flows.

[@ricksilva9645]

Wheel of Time New Year's Special: "Foocking Scissoring Party at Fal Dara" !!!

[@disparutoo]

I love Heelsvsbabyface. As you may have realised, it was his Batwomen reviews that inspired how these videos are made.

[@wrath187]

Epic journey of taking the piss, cheers.

[@disparutoo]

Thank you, I appreciate the time you've spent watching it :) To think, at first these were serious reviews back when I genuinely thought they were trying to adapt the work. From memory, I think it was episode 5 where I just gave up and started laughing at it all. Worth it.

[@ChristmasLore]

@@disparutoo ,. episode 4 for me. Nynaeve super Nova, that did it for me.

[@KelbaughJAK]

In that past scene they never mention losing or even that they are at war.

[@jonahdav9589]

The Amazon showrunners hate the source material. This is a hate you letter to Robert Jordan.

[@disparutoo]

Yes I think Rafe sees this as him correcting some kind of historic wrong and getting paid a fortune to do so.

[@PQBMO]

At 7:00. Yup, ending to AMoL doesn't get enough credit for the Callandor-induced True Power Condom solution.

[@DeltaFoxtrotZulu]

Have no desire to watch this show (Barely finished episode 1), looking forward to your tear down of Season 2. I always watch your review first to figure out what happened in the episode chronologically. Then go to Knights Watch to get their reaction to the episode as well, but now with the context your review gives me. Love it.

[@paul824]

I loved your views on this Jon, the only version of baggers I have seen rubbish my beloved WOT books , adaptation, that I HAVE tolerated - you have actually read the books and have great knowledge on the books. So I could laugh out loud even thoough I am somewhat sad. Well done mate. Wish you had more good to say about all the same. Truth hurts sometimes. Good job Jon, good luck to you.

[@disparutoo]

The reviews started off more complimentary, but the show was also more like the books in the initial episodes too. We saw one consistent thing through the whole series, any time they thought they knew better than the books, we got something far far worse and generally awful. The good scenes were either those which were at least remotely like the source material, or showed a scene that was briefly mentioned in the books but never described.

[@maucholm6836]

Towers of malkier lol built to guard 10 square metres! Why are they so close to each other?

[@disparutoo]

I can only think they thought the towers were like, ornaments or statues? Not...literally defensive towers.

[@marcel7077]

@@disparutoo btw... the 7 towers of Malkier are north on the Fal Dara side of the gap, even if it is overrun by the blight... but Rafe can't read the novels, so why expect him to take a look at maps...

[@annarien4333]

The towers look more like petrified turds.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

Moiraine... stilled or shielded? Stilled... is described as "being able to sense the source, but not touch it".

[@disparutoo]

I believe that shielded is a similar thing. You can reach towards it but you hit a barrier and can't get past it. And as it's the male half of the source she shouldnt be able to detect it as there either. We don't know if the Aes Sedai even know what a male shield looks like, as the previous male channelers may not know how to shield in this weird universe that isn't canon. We'd know if they stuck to the lore.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@disparutoo Trying to avoid spoilers, for other people who might read this... There's a point when Rand and... are in a box... and he's picking at knots of a tied-off shield... which was made by women. IIRC, he couldn't SEE the shield/knots, but he could FEEL them. Ergo, Moiraine ought to be able to feel something blocking her... sort of like a glass window separating her... she can't "see" the "glass"... but she could feel it. *IF* this great big steaming stinking pile was following the books, the description ought to be that of being stilled... IIRC, the words "The Dark One" used were lifted straight from the book to describe stilling. OTOH, the "tying" gesture he used would seem to indicate a tied off shield... and it's exactly the kind of pointless misdirection, "mystery", that stupid eff-wad running the show would think is "genius". Another reason I *think* she was stilled... It gives a certain someone the opportunity/excuse to do something she did in the books for someone(s) else. Of course, they might decide to give it to Egwene and her magical tears, too...

[@sunekoo]

I’m a non book reader completely bored by this show. I’ve had more fun watching these long reviews than watching the show itself. Thanks!

[@disparutoo]

Thank you for the kind words. I was well aware that I came from a book perspective and the comparison parts of the videos may just not be interesting to people who hadnt read them. Even though i brought them up originally FOR people who hadnt read the books. I thought that people just interested in the show may not care what the books were like so find those comparisons boring. So I'm glad to find that they were still of use. :)

[@Nolan-io9uu]

I think that Fain “turn evil” line was meant for mat but they kept it in for some goofy reason

[@disparutoo]

There are so many odd scenes, cuts and edits. There are lines which are dubbed over, in episode 7 in the bar Egwene even covers her mouth with the drink and says something she didn't say, and the start of it it's not even her voice! they got someone else to say it. It does make me wonder how much they had to chop and change due to Mat leaving. That's obviously not the reason why it's so bad, but it would be interesting to find out what they had to change.

[@ChristmasLore]

@@disparutoo , nah, I believe this was petty writing revenge against Barney leaving, childish really. There are quite an amount of lines supporting this impression in episodes 7 and 8...

[@gogroxandurrac]

1:48:36 stick to the books, at least a little? The easiest possible method to stay true to the books is color. Silver bracelets and silver collars. Not even that can be allowed to be book accurate.

[@A76noname]

It's even funnier when you realize that the "we need both light and dark for balance" is not even the original Jedi way according to Lucas, but a modern misunderstanding of what the balance meant. Lucas's view of the issue was that the dark side was sort of like a cancer or a corruption on the Force and a balance meant that there was no dark side disrupting what was already good and healthy by itself. The people in control nowadays, however, misunderstood it and think that that the jedi wanted literally a 1:1 ratio of good and evil, which makes no sense whatsoever. The people making WoT are imitating something that already misunderstood the core concept of their mythology, it's like a game of telephone where even the first one didn't understand what they were doing.

[@95MidnightStar]

You know what's funny, I've waited more than a decade for scenes between Lan and Nynaeve and all I could do at any of the scenes here is try not to shit myself. The dialogue about him hating the man she will choose is actually straight from the books, but they'd thrown it in here out of nowhere and all it ended up being is out of this world fucking dumb, zero chemistry made it even more stupid.

[@disparutoo]

Lans line only makes sense when you have all the supporting lore about him being wed to his life mission to fight the dark. That he is basically committed to dying for that mission and doesnt want to marry and saddle any woman with that burden. That NOT doing so is just another sacrifice for him to save them. Rather than it being about how amazing the woman is. It made no sense here because Rafe turned Nynaeve into a one night stand.

[@Sleepless4Life]

Been waitin' for this one since episode 8 dropped! Yass!

[@disparutoo]

Haha thank you for being so excited. Makes all the time put into it worth it.

[@kithrynevergreen]

thanks for the shared pain. I am still hoping for a 'flicker' and a dark voice whispering 'I win again, Lews Therin' and Rand opens his eyes and we are back at the beginning, while all of it was just a bad turning of the wheel in a 'dream'.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

1:19:54 Ha! "Can somebody get this guy a fridge...?"

[@disparutoo]

Lmao I forgot I first used that in this, I think I've said it in the Halo reviews too. This was where it was actually thought of though, there were SO many articles about perrins wife about and fridges that by the end I was like. Maybe we need more of them for other characters lmao

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@disparutoo Ha! Which is exactly makes your comment so "spot on", or "bull's-eye" as we say on this side of the pond! Really, though, this entire show needs a fridge!

[@danielwood2432]

Yep!!! Rafe is so bad at replacing the story he was supposed to be adapting, he had to steal a magic system from Star Wars!

[@disparutoo]

I couldn't believe it, it was so BLUNTLY stolen and restated without even trying to hide it or add a bit of complexity. No just "we need balance" what?! The dark NEVER wanted that. It even says that in the same show when he tries to get Rand to remove Egwenes free will.

[@maucholm6836]

Did egwene heal death? It’s unclear but there is little doubt nyneave was dead. I hope she becomes a zombie like the girl rand reanimates

[@disparutoo]

Weren't hugging but was actually eating? That would be a plot twist I could get behind!

[@justin_5631]

'can someone get this guy a fridge.' that was funny.

[@disparutoo]

Just because the internet thinks something is a trope, doesn't mean it can't come in useful for bad shows 😂

[@A76noname]

The women's plan was actually to use the Choedan Kal to destroy the *armies* of the Dark One and then put up a barrier around Shayol Ghul and just hope that they'll eventually figure out how to deal with the Bore somehow. So it would've basically been not a plan at all, but mere procrastination and pushing to problem to a later date.

[@disparutoo]

*SPOILERS* Another comment said this about them putting a barrier too and it's quite possibly I misrembered part of it, maybe got confused between "destroy the armies" and "destroy the dark one". I deliberately didn't mention the Choedan Kal due to it not being in the show though so, spoilers. My question is, whats the difference between their barrier idea and Lews Therins barrier?

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

So I am guessing in the books, this never happens like this, they do not have the small gorge where the Trollocs are breaking through, Nyneve does not die and gets resurrected, etc?

[@joemullany7621]

You missed a wonderful thing: Moraine with knife at Rand's throat. "You need him. Without him you cannot escape your prison." Moraine then proceeds to not kill Rand thereby thwarting The Dark One.

[@disparutoo]

Moiraine wasn't emotionless, she was willing to do what was necessary to stop the dark one, but she wouldn't inflict suffering if it was not necessary. She wouldn't have wanted to kill Rand if there was another choice. But you're right, to be sure, she probably SHOULD have done. In fact as the dark one had set up 2 possibilities for Rand, BOTH of which made him win. Killing Rand would have been Moiraines only chance to stop him. Of course, as we find out later in the books that would also doom the earth as it's not the last battle and now you just ended the dragon reborn. But it depends on what timescale we are looking at this decision making.

[@saikoteeki]

At this point, I'm team Fain and fine with it. At least he gets things done. I would even argue that he's the only competent male in the series. I thought Ishy's character was decent. Maybe it was just my head cannon, but that's how I kind of envisioned how he'd look and carry himself. I wish he'd have gotten more screen time. It's funny, during my 5 book reads, I was an honest guy, it took the show to make me a Dark Friend.

[@ChristmasLore]

I'm there too.

[@merrick1588]

They gave Rand so little development they had to give him Egwene's accepted trail since they skipped all of his big moments.

[@disparutoo]

It's a scene they clearly liked, but couldn't give to a woman because a woman who wanted to have a baby and care for it more than chasing her career would be a stereotype that is antithetical to what they want to push. So they "subverted your expectations".

[@kevlar1482]

@@disparutoo Definitely. It also stripped Rand of any agency in making his decision. It was all about Egwene.

[@opus3989]

The only way they can redeem the series is that in the beginning of s2 they make a cold open. ”I win again” and we are back in S1 but with the book story.

[@disparutoo]

They ended it at a point where you could in theory just wipe all that, act like it never really happened and just continue with the books from the start of book two with some changes, loails fine etc. But that would require an ENTIRELY different staff from the top down. And as they were already working on S2 while this was being recorded, we can be certain that S2 will simply expand and double down on the S1 ideas. Don't expect it to change.

[@williamholt8326]

In defense of Nyneave telling lan hiw to find moiraine. Lan was seriously asking nyneave how she tracked him, because lan doesnt know how to track. In the show all the warders are are fboys who know how to use weapons in an ADEQUATE manner.

[@disparutoo]

Ah, so she told him about the existence of footprints. I bet that blew his mind.

[@williamholt8326]

@@disparutoo exactly. Thats how he knew about the whitecloaks in ep. 2 a full 3 seconds before everyone else.

[@mattmatthewmatchuu]

Love the constant question... "where did all the money go?"

[@thatdarnkitteh]

THE POWER OF FALLOPIAN TUBES

[@figjam9530]

i've come across a show theory and i came back to put it here for your consideration because i think it's bang on the money: remember how the show says Nynaeve isn't from the two rivers? they say she was brought in as a small child and there's no elaboration after that. the theory is that Lews Therins baby in this episode's opening scene IS Nynaeve. that she was saved from him and stuffed into a stasis box where she stays for 3000 years until someone finds and opens the box. this would fulfill Suane's Dreaming of a "multi-headed dragon". it would provide a (weak) reason that she can channel so well with no training. and it would give the show-runners a female dragon to play with like they wanted from the very beginning. Nynaeve is the "Dragon's Daughter".

[@Dave3Dman]

I'm guessing Liandrin gave Fain the dagger. He was probably the man she was meeting in the city.

[@disparutoo]

That would make the most sense, and might be their post hoc rationalisation they'll use. But doesn't explain why they broke into the treasure room, and THEN came up to get the box. I have a different theory. Originally I think Mat brought the dagger to Fal Dara and that was put in the treasure room which is why Fain broke in there. I also think these scenes were already filmed, so they were included, even though now there is nothing in there to take unless the dagger magically teleports there. But after release and people point out the plot holes they might try to quickly explain it away via something like you've said. And then say Fain broke into the treasure room looking for the horn and realised it wasn't there. Even though that'll make him seem like a fool who accidentally stumbled across it after they dug it up?

[@danielbroome5690]

FYI about circles, no nobody but the circle leader can burn out. The circle members also cannot give more power to the leader, they give the exact amount of power they can handle which is usually less than their maximum when channeling solo. (Like 70%ish) The leader cannot ask them for more power and they cant be forced to channel enough to burn out.

[@disparutoo]

Am I right in thinking that they also couldnt cut themselves from the circle? So they could be forced to channel so long that they could lose concentration from exhaustion and burn out that way? Or is there no way to burn out in a circle at all?

[@maucholm6836]

Still don’t know how she knows where the eye of the world is? Especially in this episode she explains that no one knows anything because dark friends destroyed everything….. in the tower…….under the noses of aes sedai……….

[@disparutoo]

That's a good point. You know what's happened there? They've assumed she knew, because she knew where the eye of the world was in the books. But that eye of the world FOUND YOU when you needed it. That's why I didn't think about it here too. but ofcourse now it's not the eye of the world, it's just an old hole in the ground. One that she says HERSELF the Aes Sedai have no knowledge of because the books were destroyed by Darkfriends. She shouldn't know about it at all. And there is no supernatural being that will make her find it like the eye of the world.

[@Panthineguardian]

@@disparutoo Jordan was a master of the weaves, I'm not saying there wasn't any plot holes in the original works, and as Brandon says, Jordan didn't have all the pieces thought out when he ended the Eye of the World novel. But, omg the amount of in-tv plotholes, or places it contradicts its own twisted lore, deserves a review of its own. If you need an idea for another episode, maybe make something like that.. A overview of the season completely relying on only what goes on on-screen, with no reference to source material at all.

[@Strikernightfall]

Perrin's part in this show is simple, it is his job to stand around slack jawed and vacant eyed wasting oxygen and space that could be better used by anything else

[@disparutoo]

In my reviews I went from "why is perrin acting thick, hes careful, cautious, likes to wait until hes certain, not thick". To "this character is the thickest character from any tv show Ive ever seen". I think i had a greater character arc over my reviews than perrin did in the whole show.

[@highfist6754]

What is it with everyone making seasons so short now days? People keep saying you have to make heaps of changes because it's a tv series. If you made 7 seasons with each episode being 1 hour then you have 70 hours to adapt a faithful series without changing major parts. Even with 14 books you could do a good job.

[@disparutoo]

Its strange because American seried were always 22 episodes ish and British seasons were always 6 to 8 episodes. I find it bizarre that things have switched to the british model which was always done out of lack of budget. Especially these SUBSCRIPTION model services which literally rely on a monthly price. Youd assume they would want to drag out these series for as long as possible to get people to continue the sub.

[@llywyllngryffyn8053]

Actually the Dark One did win... his name is Rafe and he has remade the world in his twisted image.

[@veeshan6164]

I have won again Lews Therin !

[@disparutoo]

It's not just him, I have lots of very odd pause moments for many of the actors. I do sympathise though, when you pause on random screenshots you find out all people make VERY weird faces as we talk. We just don't notice till people freezeframe us.

[@thatdarnkitteh]

The damane imagery cannot be salvaged. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE HAPPY AND EXCITED ABOUT THIS TRAVESTY.