When a Finale Ruins a Legacy - Class of '09

[@animefreakshjo]

Not gonna lie, visual novels are actually really easy to fuck up. They cant rely on gameplay so it is like 70% writting 20%art and 10%gameplays. So if you mess up the writting your game is fucked way harder then a normal game would be because there is very little to fall back on. note: someone was mad at me saying only 20% art and if you are mad at that i suggest you go look at the genera tbh a lot of the art is not amazing i have played ones that looked like a middle schooler drew it but the story was good so it was wonderful. and gameplay can be relied on if you are doing a hybrid visual novel like the My lovely series which is a visual novel with management gameplay between the story sections.-side note if you play this series it a horror game where you play a horrible person in all the games. If you are made uncomfortable by that dont play it. but if your a fan of 'O9 i dont think you will care about that)

[@_keygen]

exactly why i love visual novels. Umineko is my favorite storyy ever i love it so muchh theres like basically no gameplay though, no choices either its just reading with some art but its mostly just sprites and bgs. also barely any CGs considering how long umineko is (it took me like 150-200 hours to read it) Umineko has amazing voice acting thooughh which helpss

[@AL-lh2ht]

, so this guy didnt like the third game and instead of going in-depth of why, he only talks about it briefly, he decides to do a character assassination of the creator saying that he secretly hates his fans, his source? "trust me bro". WTF you cant get more bad faith and poor analyst then this.

[@Snormite]

@@AL-lh2ht Yeah, people just blindly believe the defamation that comes from a complete stranger who can't prove if they actually were friends with the creator or not... Why? Because they hated the third game, that's it.

[@coslorem6943]

20% art he says... It's a visual novel... 20 % art he says. There's a story put together by new or established writer, that gets into production at a studio, that gets visualized. The novel is the least important piece of the product. The drama, scenes, everything is a second guess by minute that people in the production line put together, art in the center, drama refit to the size, soo it becomes visually and audially edible for the binge players wallet. 20% art he says. Edit: If the abused player don't like 1 harem girl in the story, the visual novel is a failed product. (this is a joke, but for real?)

[@animefreakshjo]

@@AL-lh2ht I have not played all the games so i cant say personal feelings on them. However my 5 different friends who played all 3 all agree with him. so i will say his feelings seems to be common. My friends basically put it as it went from feeling like satire to feeling like a man throwing a tantrum because he doesn't like who plays his games.

[@StrawberryBelle]

Classic of ‘09 and Re-Up were made to make fun of visual novel fans. Flipside was made to make fun of Class of ‘09 fans.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Thats a level of spite that i almost wanna respect

[@JayceCH.]

Thats actually true lol.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Absolutely, and it's so ingenious I have to assume it was entirely accidental.

[@AL-lh2ht]

This is a lie. In no way was it making fun of visual novel fans.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

@@AL-lh2ht what did you think the purpose of the Jeffery character was?

[@MissyFuzz]

So basically: The guy made two games where every single male is a pervert, a scumbag, an incel, a pedo, or any combination of the four, then put up a bunch of female characters that don't take any crap from them, and then got shocked when a bunch of lesbians got attached to it. THEN he came up with a poorly thought-out plan to drive them away, which backfired in spectacular fashion because apparently he didn't know that lesbians can also be some of the most spiteful people ever, and the amount of fanart involving the female leads making out just increased tenfold because they now know that it upsets him enough to resort to that stuff. Masterful gambit, sir.

[@billyboleson2830]

Its nice to see that young women finally have their own walter white style of "wait you werent supposed to like them" character and that is all an accident on the creators end.

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Tbh what did he expect? Did he seriously think people will make the character go ahead and date/like all four combined

[@YokuneRukosCoffee]

he literally called the fans “autistic lesbians”

[@Rlusive]

And he gets mad when people ship girls in the game together like nichole and jecka

[@Snormite]

Not really, because the female characters weren't much better as people, except for a couple of secondary ones... The main protagonists, Nicole and Jecka, were asshols and the last entry made sure you remember that.

[@bernardomarkuskampffdemelo4323]

When you said The Re-Up was released two years after the first game, i felt extremely surprised, because i only discovered the franchise's existence a few weeks ago and thought all the games were EXTREMELY recent

[@FunnyName87]

Me too

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Only heard about this game from a clip n everyone using audios from it. Ended up love it but the flipside flopped

[@speedymx2376]

​@@highsourjamapple9141the femcels got their hands on my game- Creator of the game prob

[@magnesiumswift]

Same

[@Nallishaii]

I thought they were made in like 2010 or any of those times, looks like I was wrong

[@AverageDonaldDuckFan]

The end screens and his tweets like "all according to plan" really sound like something you'd hear from a person who spends too much time arguing on Reddit about the Joker movies.

[@alexv3372]

Nah but like Why the feet? Is there a reason?

[@AverageDonaldDuckFan]

@alexv3372 he's either trying to purposefully make people uncomfortable or is into it himself and has some sort of degrading thing. Most likely both.

[@darkjelly944]

Ironically, both the creators of Class of 09 and Joker got mad that the "wrong people" related to their characters, and then made sequels to try and "own" the audience. And in both cases, it's better to just pretend the follow-ups aren't canon (not including The Re-up).

[@JackdotC]

@@alexv3372 his fetish

[@INFP-Turd]

@@darkjelly944 woah, is that why im hearing so many ppl hate on the new joker? Haven’t got around to watching it..

[@frukola64]

There's currently a fan project called "Class of 09: The reality check" that's remaking the flipside the way the fans wanted it, some voice actors from the original game accepted to be in it and i hope it heals the reputation damage that the flipside inflicted onto the CO09 saga. Edit: STOP CALLING ME JEFFERY I AM NOT THE ONE MAKING THE GODAMN GAME

[@Brittanya-d5j]

Hell yeah

[@air8223]

Thank gosh so then I can pretend that the fan one was the flipside and the actual flipside doesn't exist

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Omg I'm glad to hear that, as long as the creator doesn't get hit with a sue

[@athnfy]

i like how this comment reminded me of that one scene where jeffery said that he and other otakus wanted to recreate an anime the way the fans wanted it

[@punky2176]

Where did VA's say that they agree to be in it?

[@_Unoffical_Norahhh_]

“Are you threatening me!? Are you threatening me in sketchers!?!?” My favorite quote

[@defendergorebox]

“Another day, another controversy.” Literally

[@saharatsriboonraung7891]

a Another comment a another reply

[@obot321]

You see, this is why you do your best to stick to the 5% of Twiter that is...somewhat sane. and whenever you encounter the other 95%, you run away as fast as possible

[@starryskies113]

@@obot321oh

[@Random_BS2889]

​@@obot321 exactly, its really hard to comprehend that people actually think like they do on twitter, especially in such large numbers

[@obot321]

@@Random_BS2889 Yeah. Hell, there's even spaces where full-on Neo N*zis get to spread their very hateful vitriol. Or spaces where it's just...illegal stuff. Or the least harmful stuff: bots. Bots galore.

[@TitanQueen]

The reveal the creator of the game believes all the stuff he put in the game makes me sad. I guess I see creators of stuff go two routes: They genuinely don't believe this stuff (Fight Club, Lolita, American Psycho) or they do (this, yandere sim)

[@starryskies113]

😮

[@EmaSkyeRealForensicScientist]

Lolita was meant to be psychological horror right?

[@TitanQueen]

@@EmaSkyeRealForensicScientist I've always been fascinated in the book and from my knowledge it's written from the perspective of an unreliable narrator who the reader isn't supposed to agree with. All the stuff he does to win over the young girl is portrayed as wrong, having issues with the writer is fine, but I'm not sure it was meant to be that. If it is I'm not shocked, but it's a book about discussing a creep being a creep and losing in the end.

[@vibethecat4194]

I dont wanna come off like, a knowitall or whatever but ya may put the creator of lolitas OTHER work into the "believe in it" catagory m8(lolita is a 'satire' of his other work which features a bunch of pedo shit to put it bluntly)

[@TitanQueen]

@@vibethecat4194 Really, See I heard people did dislike him as a writer and I should've figured that. My bad. Sorry.

[@Miles_huh]

Imagine making a game so bad that the last person you'd expect is covering it

[@starryskies113]

😮

[@Dehydratedahhsgreencheese]

W pfp

[@urlhnd]

There is absolutely no way the writing in the first two games was an accident. There are no ghost writers either. Flipside was specifically written to spite and scare away the unintended fanbase of queer girls shipping the characters. It also got rushed really hard. The writing in Reup took him 13 months. Flipside took him somewhere about 4 months, and that's counting the period when he decided to sabotage it all. I really hope that Class of 09 gets a second chance with the anime, but with SBN3 in charge, no one can know for sure.

[@starryskies113]

😮

[@urlhnd]

Man, I didn't even start watching the video when I wrote this.

[@deltap6967]

Why would he sabotage his new relatively big fan base just because? He could've made more money with more eyes on the project and not thrown '09 down the drain. I guess this man just really hates zoomers

[@NightOfTheRavens]

​@@deltap6967 Because his ego turned out to be stronger than his lust for money.

[@shadowslayer205]

Apparently SBN3 also got bored with the game's concept partway through its development, which contributed to how short and half-cooked it ended up being.

[@Lechgang]

It baffles me how Flipside re-contextualizes the entire series, but not in the way that a standard plot twist in a movie would. Prior to Flipside, the consensus was that Class of '09 was a dark, fucked up game, but had insightful commentary on real world struggles and events, while we watch the story through the eyes of a sociopathic protagonist who is VERY CLEARLY wrong about most of what she's saying, but you can see how a dumb teenager might see the world as she does. Now we know that all of that really strong writing and storytelling was a complete and utter accident, since SBN actually believes all the stupid shit he wrote about. People naturally assumed the game was well-written because the reality of the situation was so crazy and fucked up, it could only happen in a world like Class of '09.

[@InfinitySevens]

I'm reminded of how a mutual of mine states Borderlands 3 manages to be bad enough to retroactively make the previous Borderlands entries worse by its existence. Though I've never touched the series so I have no clue about the validity of his statement.

[@Yunanarts]

Ever since I heard how messed up the creator was, I always couldn’t shake the feeling that the “depth” and “social commentary” was all accidental and it never was “that deep.” I held onto the hope that it wasn’t an accident, and the game was supposed to be “deep” and “social commentary”, but the flip side ruined it all.

[@daryno9048]

I feel like that sums up how I feel about the game too. Like before flipside, I saw Nicole as sort of a Bojack horseman type character where you know that they are horrible person but there is a chance that they can get better and you hope that they do but it seem like the creator wanted you to idolize Nicole like he does

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

​@@YunanartsIt really wasn't, the guy has been making vids for years he's had his experiences. He just choose to make it the way it was partially to annoy those who mainly focused on the lesbian ships and not the actual game.

[@Chuckler127]

@@InfinitySevens I played Borderlands 1, 2, and 3. The gameplay of 2 is still solid, regardless of how bad 3 was. But in terms of the storyline, BL 3 does indeed make you not care about almost anybody you might have liked in BL 1 or 2.

[@FARMT11]

mods, create a fangame that serves as an actually good third game and its so beloved that its accepted as essentially official due to good writing

[@shaggyrogers8869]

Oh cool, what is it called?

[@RXJis300]

Cope

[@theredhood2796]

What is it called?

[@chicken-scratch]

Didn't Jeffery literally have a cringy moment just like this where he was like "we're gonna create the game how the FANS wanted it?"😂 the irony is funny

[@deecollinssuperitandficays863]

We need a game called the "Class of 09: The Flipside the Re RE Up"

[@rhapsody2612]

Never have I ever expected you of all people to cover Class of 09

[@starryskies113]

H

[@emmetter3000]

EVERYWHERE I GO I SEE THIS FUCKING MIZUKI CARD

[@gratedparmesan_]

So called "free thinkers" when mizu5

[@kanamafuer]

MIZU 5 PFP SPOTTED

[@shishiskusaa]

W MIZU5 PFP‼️‼️‼️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@DeRealNiko]

FreakSide, FlopSide, FeetSide. Choose one...

[@GreenStuddedLemon]

All of the above

[@Joe_.]

Yiikside

[@GREYGREY176]

FeetSide

[@koshaall]

footside

[@bigrat.monster]

feetside

[@generalpacman6414]

20:29 oh just like joker 2. You enjoyed it for the wrong reasons so now I’m going to self sabotage and ruin the next one in the series to own the fans.

[@makimaac7]

Opposite case ironically, Joker 2 wanted to own the 4chan chud audience while Flip Side wanted to weed out the Twitter/Tik Tok crowd

[@magicman3163]

Would be funny if all these self-hating works were just suicide notes and were too early to notice

[@playmate-e6f]

at least joker 2 was trying to spite a fanbase full of freak "high value alpha male" andrew state wannabees. the problem here is that it goes in reverse.

[@magicman3163]

@@playmate-e6f you must be schizophrenic

[@Subpar1O1]

​@@makimaac7it's also very funny because both Joker 2 and Flipside have the plots of 4chan posts mocking the source material. Hell someone on 4chan predicted some big plot points of Joker 2 in 5 years ago

[@cosmically4286]

I can’t get over the fact that this game only exist bc the dev was malding over the fandom being full of lesbians and not Reddit incels

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

More like people who actually idolized them and didn't really focus on much but the lesbian ships.

[@cosmically4286]

@@DanielJacobs-rz1zl what else even is there of value in these urrbanspook aah games

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

@@cosmically4286 A satire of how it was back in 2009.

[@Jdewls]

@@DanielJacobs-rz1zlit’s funny how the actually extreme side of Reddit incels try’s to make the not extreme side seem extreme

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

@@Jdewls Reword that.

[@herodoesstuff]

devs seriously need to learn to not engage w parts of their fandom that piss them off. it's sad to watch them sabotage themselves so disastrously

[@theed805]

He literally could of made an ending where jecka found a guy that treated her well and SBN3 would have gotten a better outcome

[@wiseass2149]

Well said

[@dbonechis]

I can't believe they never released Flipside

[@starryskies113]

They did

[@lovelyyn7699]

Yeah I'm waiting on it I wonder when it's going to be released

[@acookie1410]

It could’ve been such a great game to end the trilogy but they never made it 😔😔😔😔😔

[@lovelyyn7699]

@@acookie1410 nah it's coming out idk when but 🤔 it's going be the best I think they haven't decided on what date or time so just wait 🤘😆

[@EEErmine]

​@@starryskies113 wdym the game never came out

[@exoticzave1173]

I'm a fan of visual novels, especially with an anime artsyle, and the whole tale of this game with its dark themes, it's flaws, and its fanbase, feels like a fever dream in it of itself.

[@starryskies113]

I wish we had routes to date Emily Kyle William jecka

[@Chaki21]

@@starryskies113 William ?

[@starryskies113]

@@Chaki21isn’t that the black hair

[@novakitty1619]

btw the saying goes "in and of itself" if you wanted to know

[@Chaki21]

@@starryskies113 that'd be Hunter

[@Sallyfacerocksss]

They calling the Footside.. 😔

[@kuimiko]

That video was so funny

[@Ninjajo117]

I played this game with a friend. We went in with the objective of find the route thats gets Jecka to collage. By the end we were drinking several cans of booze just to get through it.

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Jecka deserves better

[@Hawkatana]

So basically the creator was just irony-poisoned beyond belief.

[@manband20]

If that one AMA from a former colleague of his actually is true (and the person has receipts to back themselves up) then this game was just another case of someone self-destructing when they build up an audience simply because they want an echo chamber of likeminded people and it absolutely sucks because Class of 09 was lightning in a bottle.

[@MasterBotttle]

Yeah. Hearing that makes me wanted the creator of Class of o9 to never have a success in his grubby dirty hands ever again, so that years later he can crawl back to the ruins (that he caused) to back paddled of what he did to "FeetSide" as a attempt to appeal back the former fans who already moved on for a very long time ago.

[@manband20]

​@@MasterBotttle It's honestly sad, really. As someone who writes YA-centered stuff in a similar vein to Class of 09 and has been since before the games existed, I'd kill for the kind of audience SBN3 has (had). You can still make the game be dark and have a deeper message while still appealing to the Tumblr/TikTok fans who jumped on board. It was self-sabotage and it is obviously going to cost him going forward. How many of those edgy 2010ers really still openly exist on the Internet? Because they aren't going to generate the buzz the TikTok crowd will.

[@solosolo8610]

It really wasn't he I don't blame the guy for not wanting a misandrist fan saw he was making fun of y'all not drawing you in😂

[@manband20]

@@solosolo8610 How does a game that explicitly paints every single male character as a sex pest not attract misandrists or people who have issues with men? And for the record, I'm a guy. It says so in my name.

[@solosolo8610]

@@manband20 there not written as that except the adult characters but the other students are just other stereotypes, his mistake was never showing specifically that Nicole and jerkas views are dumb and wrong so it attracted the wrong audience

[@starryskies113]

13:26 some rumors said he did that cuz he hated that ppl were shipping jeckole😭

[@monkeypantss]

nothing in that timestamp fits with what you said

[@acookie1410]

Probably true

[@bigboipopo2168]

Actually true, he has said some homophobic shit on his discord server in response to the ship.

[@Yescuzynot]

@@bigboipopo2168yea like why even bother to make most of the characters queer coded if you’re homophobic

[@appl3jewelartz]

Genuinely not sure how he didn’t see the shipping coming lol

[@dogevoadoriii]

Visual Novel fans when the arduous boss called "Press Space to Continue" shows up

[@starryskies113]

😮😮😮😮

[@ziggazaggar]

such engaging gameplay, much fun

[@bluud6]

Me when the game I made about teenage girls attracts teenage girls: 🤬😭

[@ninjahedgehog5]

So, long story short, the creator tried to gatekeep his series and got a bit too bold with his very unusual tastes. At least that's what your hypothesis is.

[@ninjahedgehog5]

honestly, I only care about the series because Lyle Wratch keeps advertising it.

[@kaancesur-19]

He could also be bored of the same game 3 times

[@McNahidas]

i feel like he should be allowed to tho, it’s his game… Flip side was bad but he has every right to find his target audience

[@MfwPrivate]

​@@McNahidasTHIS. oh my God, people pretend that it's a sin to not want specific types of people to engage with your creations.

[@sk8rboy]

@@McNahidasim not sure what audience would want to watch 2 hours of a freshly 18 year old girl have a foot business

[@TearsInOurAkitoyaEyes]

Ngl if a creator hates their fanbase, it's a major red flag

[@GujoPopee]

So the same thing with the Boys and the new Joker movie?

[@Revealingstorm.]

@@GujoPopee The boys was making fun of conservatives right from the start they were just too dumb to see it

[@GujoPopee]

@@Revealingstorm. “They were too dumb to see it” or maybe it was beyond that and Kripke kept putting his fetishes in his shitty show

[@dirtydan5181]

​​@@Revealingstorm.We found the fool right here. The too dumb to see it thing applies to 09 as well, I guess you just think it can only apply to conservatives.

[@OceanicPalette]

To be fair, i'd hate my fanbase too if i was SBN3 in this case.

[@ebihime7428]

Most VNs don't fall into the category of 'dating sim', since VNs tend not to have any simulation elements at all. A romance VN and a dating sim are not the same.

[@Justapikachu577]

Your thinking about the japanese genre of an actual Dating Sim, like a real sim game. But in the western world, dating sim is sub genre of VNs

[@ebihime7428]

@@Justapikachu577 A lot of people in the western world who talk about VNs are wrong, I am afraid.

[@Justapikachu577]

@@ebihime7428 correct! I was just clarifying for people who don't know :)

[@ShenauticOfficial]

Class of 09 finally got their Shrek 3

[@luismedina5792]

Sad that's the reality and I hope we leave it there.

[@degeneration6493]

So in summary: they made it weird and disturbingly sexual. Most of the endings are this expect for one.

[@sugarsailors.5939]

i’m still so mad that the menu song is so good. like i actually really really like it. it deserves a better game 😭

[@sugarsailors.5939]

it also was revealed b4 the game came out… so it hyped me up… then the game let me down ☹️

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

Difference is Dan Salvato at least read some VNs (I at least heard he read Fate/Stay Night (the one my PFP is from) and it’s sister game Tsukihime, wouldn’t suprise me if he knew of Fate/EXTRA CCC in some way (wasn’t translated at the time) as Monika reminds me a bit of BB). Meanwhile the dude who made Class of 09 hates VNs.

[@T3rr0r626]

its like The Boys vs Invincible

[@WitchHunterSiegfried]

@@T3rr0r626 Exactly

[@washurpaws]

@@T3rr0r626 wait which one is supposed to be which in this example?

[@justinweeb8145]

​@@washurpawsThe Boys comics were a very distasteful and shallow parody, so I guess The Boys = SBN's approach?

[@washurpaws]

@@justinweeb8145 ohh yea that makes sense, i was thinking like "the boys show is fucking great what are they on about", completely forgot the comics existed lol

[@dravenmartinez6311]

Magicmush coming into the story was the most out of left field thing i could imagine.

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

Agreed though it is odd he lie about the guy's age he was 18 when it happened.

[@itsgood7036]

​@@DanielJacobs-rz1zlThere's a part in the recording where some girl in the background says "you're 20 and talking to 13 year olds", so MM could have thought that was SBN3's actual confirmed age.

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

@@itsgood7036 That is true I did hear that but someone else who knew him personally stated he was actually 18 at the time. Obviously it's not much of an excuse but I do think there is a bit of a different between a person who just turned 18 and a fully grown man.

[@syedomar1060]

When did Magicmush show up in the video?

[@dravenmartinez6311]

@syedomar1060 he didn't it was during the twitter drama as he was the one exposing sbn3 for bullying children as he was one of them

[@slaughterurhouse]

Flip Side didn’t bother me too much, everything that was in it honestly felt like it was SUPPOSED to be funny but like nobody moved- this game was supposed to be serious which I understand, but I would’ve preferred a game about Jeckas “struggle of being pretty” or even oh idk her home situation with BOTH parents and her grandma Jecka could’ve maybe stayed with her grandmother as she is the only person that we haven’t seen her hint at being abusive- staying with her grandma could’ve been her happy ending

[@alabamaslammer3921]

Honestly I wouldn't have minded that, I feel like jecka deserves at least one happyish ending because she's not irredeemable

[@slaughterurhouse]

@ I agree! If the game had taken itself seriously and had the same humor delivery as previous games, I think Flipside would’ve been really good! The devs misunderstand shock value for humor and that’s what led to the S traffic ending, along with the Palestine joke. Luckily they’re still working on the anime so there’s still hope for this franchise 🤧 and from the looks of the leaks, everything may be new bc there are lines in it I don’t remember hearing in other games. Let’s hope they can redeem this series 💃🏾

[@dc7981]

Calling the 09 games "white boondocks" is a disservice to boondocks. Calling the games "edgier vivzie pop meets Drawn Together" is much *MUCH* more accurate

[@bluud6]

It’s more “Boondocks for white girls” than just “white boondocks”

[@Lorasbrother34]

​@@bluud6 boondocks is actually funny with clever jokes that make fun of American culture in an in gaging way not vivsiepop if it made a video game

[@kingbred4793]

class of 09 is good the flipside is just ya know the flipside

[@thelordofcringe]

09 is literally exactly what the dc high school experience was like. Reup was goofier, flip side feels like the modern day and half-assed. Also, its hilarious how many people think 09 was being overly edgy. Yall have no idea how edgy the 2000s were.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Why are you shitting on Drawn Together? That show was hilarious.

[@arieelberian7614]

Seeing a Class of '09 video from you was.... to put it lightly, a jumpscare. Still, love your videos as always~

[@starryskies113]

Yes great pun!

[@yachet]

😳

[@JBBRDNKS]

I find it funny where sbn3 says ppl took throw away line jokes as canon just to go ahead and do the same thing he was bitter about 🙄

[@FluoFalI]

Hate when developers just get enough and try to punish u for enjoying their media.

[@daryno9048]

18:32 glad I’m not the only who noticed how strange it is that jecka get the worst ending by rejecting Jeffery offer

[@YokuneRukosCoffee]

its just the creators poorly disguised foot fetish

[@jeshirekitenkatt1212]

i can't imagine failing to grasp the concept of "death of the author" so badly that you nuke your own chances of success rather then let gay people give you money and call you smart. like wow you really owned people by *checks notes* destroying any shot you had period and rendering any praise people had to give you null and void. and the last time there was an unhinged developer was getting his jollies off by openly obsessing over making teenage girls suffer that people initially had positive feelings about (yanrede dev) they turned out to be into teenage girls in Real Life (also yandere dev). but he also goes around calling people pdf files at the drop of a hat? knock on wood but why does this guy sounds like a closet shadman enjoyer

[@WolzenTwo]

Fun fact. One of SBN3's ex-friends mentioned how he goes out his way to showcase the 18-yr old girls that he's dating. Like fresh out of high school 18. He does it like they're trophies.

[@redactado266]

Considering You are calling him a shadman enjoyer (with all the connotations that has) for trying to gatekeep you from his work, i think SBN3 is completly justified is his actions

[@avatarwan5824]

​@@redactado266 Nah, gatekeeping is cringe, just like the creator's opinions.

[@speedymx2376]

​@@redactado266the lengths people will go just cause "my opinion is the correct and right opinion, and you are a incel if you think otherwise".

[@mangaaddict3056]

He honestly sounds based, fuck his fanbase. The third game hella weird though and his genuine beliefs are concerning to say the least.​@@redactado266

[@AAAAnomaly]

14:14 "there were like 3 other people in the call and none of them are laughing" The 3 people reactions are probably like a staring hamster meme

[@FluffinWasntHere]

oh i remember when Markiplier said "WAS THAT THE CLASS OF '09?"

[@doominickjackson5359]

Yo me too

[@starryskies113]

@@doominickjackson5359oh

[@INFP-Turd]

I hope he actually plays these games. It would honestly be funny since marks a millennial

[@speddoellol1199]

Class of '09: The Foot Side vs Coffin of Inci and Sesty who's winning the mid-off

[@kelsiedotfla]

INCI AND SESTY😭😭😭

[@kiwikarp9509]

To give the latter credit, there's a puzzle before that part and you have to solve it incorrectly on purpose to get the incest ending, so at least there was SOME level of self-awareness.

[@obnox1ous_3fe420]

Someone should make an Edit of the mid-off

[@Kat0Ninetails]

this comment got me good 😭😭😭 bravo OP. Bravo

[@beanjams4071]

midscaling edit when?

[@tacoo0c4t]

22:00 the good ending to flipside

[@starryskies113]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@HEYOSUNDAYZZZ]

'I geuss ill see you on the flipside" GET OUT!!!!

[@daofficerofthenoodles7504]

Who got Jeffery Epstein Dan schider and Yandere dev to make this game

[@starryskies113]

😂😂

[@FluffinWasntHere]

YandereDev wasn't on this he was slacking and banning people he wouldn't even lay a finger on this game even if he was on the crew

[@daofficerofthenoodles7504]

@@FluffinWasntHere Yee he was working as the social media staff

[@FluffinWasntHere]

@@daofficerofthenoodles7504 Staff as in the staff of fire by how mad he gets, and the staff of Gandalf the Great (reference to YanDev's coding style)

[@Sallyfacerocksss]

HELP

[@ghostrucok6617]

idk how anyone expected a creator of class of 09 to be a normal person, its obvious that someone who makes a game like this is messed up himself

[@0uttaS1TE]

On some level, yes. But you can also make something immensely fucked up or strange, while still being normal in your everyday life. Junji Ito is a big example of that.

[@LucyWest370]

@@0uttaS1TEor jack stauber

[@AverageDonaldDuckFan]

Personally, I believed the first two games were meant to be satire since it had a lot of dark humor, which isn't something I really enjoy, but it called out a lot of creeps and made the weirdos out to be exactly what they are. I heard it had a lot of inspiration from people and their terrible high-school experiences (while being over exaggerated for comedy), and it made me feel better since it reminded me of my own school experience. While I didn't like everything about it, this game was a comfort of mine. Finding a sense of community in the misery I felt while also having the characters call out at Nicole when she went too far. It's sad, looking back on it now, that it never saw the creeps and terrible things they were making fun of as wrong, considering the creator is one and has done so many awful things. In hindsight, we should've seen this coming. I guess in different ways we were all tricked, or maybe it was just me.

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

​@@AverageDonaldDuckFanThe game was absolutely making fun of them, a few bad things from his past and outright lies like him seeking 18 year old women doesn't change that part. I feel like there are some understandable criticism for him but then there's stuff like the ones I mentioned.

[@Cisaaro]

No lol sometimes it's just their humor

[@0uttaS1TE]

Ngl, when I first heard about what happened with the Flipside, I felt catharsis. I never liked Co09, never liked the look of it, the setting, the characters, none of it. So learning that I was right in my hunch, that the games were all shit and an excuse for the author to flex their high school power fantasy felt so good. But learning why people liked them in the first place from this video really sours that. I still don't like the games, the justification has been cast. But the fans saw something in those characters, believed in these games. It's one thing for a sequel to be disappointing, outright bad in some cases. Flipside doesn't even show on the leaderboard in that regard. But man, I feel for the fans, who now know that the things they liked, the deeper elements and themes, were accidental, and that the creator saw them less as earnest fanartists, writers or just people who liked the games, and more as fleas to be shaken off, even if that meant burning their series to the ground.

[@ythegamerita]

For example Jeffery (the self insert nerd guy) said on multiple occasions lines that sounded like they were straight out of r/Im14andthisisdeep, and everyone thought the joke was that it wasn't deep, turns out it was supposed to be deep

[@Aspiring_Aster]

The fact that SBN3 had someone program a Discord bot that quizzes people to see if they know enough about the game shows the disconnect between him and the audience of the game. "I tried single-path long story lines (with the Flip Side). So that little things pay off such as little lines from a character meaning something later, that's classic screenwriting. Was it darker? Absolutely. That's because it's the last one. If I were to end Class of 09 with happy-go-lucky st and endings, I felt like I wasn't doing a service to the influence that created the stories. I would be painting too big of a brush on these stories that are heavy st. The foot thing was based on a girl I knew meeting dudes on Tinder and her psychological decline. Now her ramifications weren't as dramatic as other stories, there are still real trauma and ramifications that happen when you go through with that st." - a quote from SBN3 talking about how he designed the Flip Side. He went on to say in a Twitch interview that each of the story routes are inspired by real life stories and those who don't like it come from a sheltered background with this statement: "People have an expectation that I'm supposed to make sure that players are happy or sad." ... "Class of 09 is the type of game where if st works out, it works out and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out." He goes on to say that people want happy games because they have a comfortable life and don't understand that it's "crazy f*ed up st" that's happened. He brings up the people from the suburbs vs people from the urban environment reacting to a fight analogy to explain that those who haven't experienced that game would not like it. He even says that Coach Colby rhymes with the name of the teacher at his high school who got suspended for "unsavory actions." - (Paraphrase and quotes) I found this quotes from a Reddit thread that just summarizes quotes from SBN3 after the release of the game. I made sure to censor it. Source: www.reddit.com/r/Classof09Game/comments/1fq4ts8/some_interesting_remarks_about_the_flip_side_from/

[@fudgen.a1249]

Suddenly, his reaction makes sense to me- and not in a good way.

[@saharatsriboonraung7891]

w o a h 😬

[@anon5766]

Only a spiteful person can make such a series. Seeing quotes from the creator only validates the spitefulness of the series that somehow attracted a fanbase that's nothing like the creator himself.

[@starryskies113]

@@anon5766funny how he craps on his own gender

[@starryskies113]

@@anon5766I thought a radical feminist wrote it

[@ShadeATV]

The worst thing about Class of 09 is that the creator said Jeffrey is his self insert

[@illegalsweetie]

Oh christ why are we not surprised his old tweets mannnn 😔

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Not really surprised tbh

[@ythegamerita]

Well then now we know who has a humiliation kink, and we also know that all the Lines that felt like a r/Im14andthisisdeep post were supposed to be taken seriously

[@tomjackjack960]

You got to be joking ,who in the world will say their self-insert is a guy who wants to treat women like cattles.

[@mao-sama6446]

As if I didn’t have enough reasons to hate Jeffery already.

[@INFP-Turd]

The ending scene of the video is just perfect. Please someone mod the flipside 😭

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Even if they did they'd probably be hit with a sue from the creator

[@NineHazes]

you got your wish.

[@vdoria09]

The finale had so much potential…. It HAD THE PERFECT SETUP TOO 😭😭😭

[@swampwench]

When they say "See ya on the flipside" but you wouldn't be caught DEAD playing that one

[@AsakuraEX]

There are so many uninformed takes on Visual Novels in this singular video lmfaooo

[@Pudding404]

Don't worry, I'm sure we're all used to pretending flops of sequels don't exist. The Jeffrey feet thing and none of this being "satire" in usual fashion somehow bothers me the most.

[@ythegamerita]

Yeah if you told me that Jeffrey was supposed to be a deep and serious character before freakside I would not have believed you

[@Azul721]

White town - wanted spotted!! i unironically love that album , and not just because of "your woman" "Going nowhere somehow" really hits a note

[@T3rr0r626]

'Women in Technology' is such a good listen and it makes a great throughline especially with the themes of this project

[@Agent-ym8ke]

I don’t know what this man is talking about, there are only two class of ‘09 games.

[@AmiaMizuki25]

Seeing Terror talk about class of 09 is a unexpected yet welcome surprise

[@blazingbuizel7194]

So, it's a series that was designed to be a satire and subversion of its genre with much darker themes, but then it attracted an audience that the creators didn't like, so they decided to change the way it's written to make it very clear how it's a deconstruction to own the people who like it for "the wrong reasons" and alienate members of the original audience in the process Welcome back The Boys, we missed you

[@MarvinPowell1]

_"You just hate the show cause it's making fun of you, Trump supporter incel!"_ - The Boys fanbase of Reddit mods

[@starlightsoiree]

​@@MarvinPowell1 hit dogs holler lmao

[@Jake.Miller]

Wow the ending turned out so great! Good job man

[@DehydratedDarkness]

SBN3 being a homophobic , transphobic and supposedly racist grown man wanting to be a popular teenage girl is not something I'd expect when playing the games but it turns out you can make a joke and totally miss it

[@starryskies113]

No he bullied autistic ppl

[@theblob1716]

The homophobia, transphobia and racism I’m fine with but I draw the line at the nonce activities (you def a freak if you pretend to be a little girl)

[@AnekoF90]

​@@theblob1716 _bruh_

[@T0B3573R]

@@theblob1716 Why.. WHAT?!

[@maybemaeb]

@@theblob1716 lmfao Even evil has standards.

[@kubaoko008]

twitter? that ain't no normal day.

[@starryskies113]

😂

[@deecollinssuperitandficays863]

Twitter is always chaotic no matter what 🤣

[@ReaperAnimationsStudio]

The fact that sbn got so mad at something that the fandom did to the point he fell off kinda gives me a bit of yandere-dev vibe, don't know if anyone feels the same way with me Edit: wow 5 likes, the most likes I got (⁠ﾉ⁠◕⁠ヮ⁠◕⁠)⁠ﾉ⁠*⁠.⁠✧

[@Ralsia]

T3rr0r is the last person I expected to cover Class of ‘09

[@starryskies113]

😮

[@InvisableCactus101]

My biggest issue with co09 rn is people being like "NICOLE WOULDN'T DO THAT" yes she would. Yall glazed her so hard yall forgot she caused a school yk, she let a girl off herself in front of the class to prove a point about poetry and same story different ending she rewrites a racist book or whatever to get her teacher fired not because the teacher was a racist but just because she didn't like the teacher. She was also just completely fine with offing her mom. So with all of those points it makes complete sense she would be so mad at jecka that she would get with her father and put her toes in his mouth just to piss her off.

[@stress395]

I really don't see too many people arguing that nicole wouldn't betray jecka, it's the reason she did that many people are saying is inconsistent with her previous actions. Jecka literally didn't give a shit when nicole lost her house and nicole STILL didn't actively try to get back at her, and there are many other smaller scale instances of that as well. What many people are saying is that the stakes needed to be fair bigger to justify the action. Even socipathic terrible characters need consistent characterization, or else the audience is thrown for a loophole and it's considered a clash in expectations, which is a bad thing.

[@liminalfrf]

nicole would 100% do something awful to get back at jecka but shed never do sexual stuff to her dad. its been stated multiple times about how much she hates old men

[@InvisableCactus101]

@liminalfrf she does hate men but she uses them. She used jeckas dad just to get back at her. Same way she was gonna use the counselor and the gym teacher in those few play throughs

[@InvisableCactus101]

@stress395 now I can see where you're coming from but I need to bring up Nicole dose NOT care for jecka in the way you guys think she does. She is a sociopath.( Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to lie, break laws, act impulsively, and lack regard for their own safety or the safety of others. ) it makes complete sense. Nicole did what she did.

[@stress395]

@@InvisableCactus101 I'm not saying Nicole cares about jecka in the traditional sense, but I am saying that if she had such a disregard for her as she does in the flipside, then it should have been more evident in the previous game routes instead of only the third installment. Think about it, if Nicole screwed over jecka multiple times in the last two games with no restraint, then would people really be shocked that she did in the third one?

[@vyxxi2329]

I have adhd and struggle paying attention to essay videos, but yours was pretty easy to watch! You don’t repeat or rehash things (like how Saiki k doesn’t drag out it’s jokes like other anime’s).

[@MasterBotttle]

I never expected you (The Guy who is known for Uploading a Video about "Minecraft Clones") too make a video about "Feetside". Edit: And thankful for the likes as well. I would be interested to watched a Vid about the History and Making of SG, then Behind the scenes drama/trouble development of IWHTG in one video.

[@MarvinPowell1]

So what you're saying is, he pulled a Joker 2.

[@5spec]

Yeah basically

[@SLSat]

I think the feet stuff doesn't work because it actually immerses you into it, as opposed to you being an outsider looking what's happening and thinking 'oh shit this is so messed up, lemme grab my popcorn...'

[@lucaikagura]

i think the fact that sbn3 voices jeffery explains it all

[@underconstruction6436]

So the flip side is the Joker 2 of video games? God damn

[@HitSingleCoolSauce]

They callin it the footside...

[@robin586]

i dont think its that bad. i think its rather clever that we see nicole from outside the playable character's pov. plus, its the flipside. the whole concept is about showing the other perspective. just cuz jecka had bad endings despite being a better person doesnt mean the story is flawd.

[@yinno_chr]

The Jecka torture porn game is one way a friend of mine described the flipside and i cant agree more

[@JayceCH.]

Try an exploration of why Jecka is fucked up in the first place, but nice try kid. And no, she was not a good person in the first or the second game 🤣

[@Norrabal]

​@@JayceCH. And you think she derserves what happens to her in the flip side?

[@beanieboo-M.K.Y]

i love class of '09 so I'm SUPER happy that you covered it! Anyways, I'm probably in the few that liked the flip side, but I still think that the first 2 were better.

[@ThatCanadianGuy]

I played class of 09 and the Re up around a year ago I believe. I was so hyped up for the Flipside until it released😭

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Heard about the flipside getting released because Jecka is my favorite and wanted to see things her pov but it flopped so bad

[@darc9925]

I would like to see a game where Nicole ends up in the army with Jecka and Ari.

[@Joel-oy5zc]

This is all so extremely ironic and sad to me. Playing through the original Co09 made me realise i didn't have it as bad as i thought i did in high school. I was a lot like Jeffrey, but that's WAY better than going through the shit that Nicole did. The secret post-graduation cutscene made me understand that very well. Now, we're suddenly learning that the creator inteded to do THE OPPOSITE with the game. It's laughable to think that we're supposed to agree with Jeffrey in that graduation scene for saying that Nicole has it good for always being hit on by men three times her age. SBN3 is the epitome of "never outgrew high school".

[@pewialmostdie3631]

“legacy” and “class of 09” in the same sentence 💔💔💔💔

[@carl1n_yurr]

i genuinely love class of 09 (the games, not the creator..)

[@hothdog]

does the creato also brand himself as 'class of 09'

[@poatatoooo]

@@hothdogno

[@sigmatheta9399]

Its a strange Harry Potter effect, People realizing the author of the series they love is actually a messed up person. Will people still like the game knowing its creator hates the very people that made it popular? Will they make countless replica spin offs to ease the pain? Will they move onto different things, sometimes being reminded of what could have been?

[@CoreyTVTheEpicDavid8]

"I'm normal." "I'm normal." "feet." "...what the fuck flipside."

[@eskimopython2807]

More like the Flopside

[@lunxri]

7:59 EMICOLE MENTION 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🙏🙏🙏 Also hearing charli xcx and penolope scott in the backround was crazy Edit to add on in an actually insightful manner: in the first two games, there were things alluded to that would’ve been REALLY bad, like nicoles myspace favors or emily’s bf But we never actually see these things, and that’s why I think the flipside doesn’t work It’s like the opposite to the first, there is WAY too much of the dark stuff

[@masekiibo]

EMICOLE ON TOP🗣️🗣️🗣️🙏🙏🙏

[@jedimasterajlee9983]

EMICOLE NATION HOW WE FEELING⁉️

[@skibidiextremist]

I feel like the point for all 3 games were to make fun and annoy the audience, it's just that by the third game the audience changed

[@JayceCH.]

Zing.

[@mistermiahboy4695]

I'm going to Alice

[@skibidiextremist]

@@mistermiahboy4695 Black Souls peak

[@mistermiahboy4695]

@@skibidiextremist You are a true genius

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

It feels like he was trying to emphasize that Nicole is a truly awful person who shouldn’t be romanticized by showing her actions effecting Jecka negatively. But every single ending just puts Jecka in a terrible situation, even ones where Nicole isn’t involved. And sure, she’s corrupt too, but nowhere near as evil as Nicole is, so it just feels too mean-spirited.

[@tygical]

i still think the re-up is a really good game because like the text you get after the group project ending genuinely made me cry but like not in a needlessly sad way but more of like in a way where it felt like a really valuable experience and idk how to explain it

[@Obri55]

I have never played these games but maybe SBN3 didnt want the fandom of his games to become like south park or mha dont blame him

[@PS3PCDJ]

9:25 Visual novel doesn't mean it has to have choices, that's just up to the creator. Some VNs that I have played had very few, if not no choices throughout the game. The main problem here is the unfulfillment of players expectations.

[@redemption8608]

Class of 09 the flip flop

[@AzazelTheMisanthrope]

Honestly, if he scuffed the ending intentionally to spite people I can kind of respect that.

[@Alfenium]

Dude had a vision and stood his ground, can't fault that at all.

[@walterwhite6210]

Oh I just loved watching and enjoying the dark stuff and jokes. My kind of random, shocking crazy. I was confused because I ran into the flip side first

[@Albenafornow]

14:14 i am a victim of this type of drama since 7 my gramdma yelled at me like that...2020 was hell my parents send me to online school with my grandma as i was locked with her....i still expirence fear of loud noises or someone yelling. While yes the sadist part of me will laugh at someone getting yelled at...while my drama side will flitch

[@Golder_Freddy]

Cant have a Normal day on Twitter without controversy its impossible

[@FluffinWasntHere]

T3rr0r i am convinced you materialized this game into existence i swear it wasn't there and my game was in a very niche category

[@viscount8388]

Its funny that his creation was co opted by the very group he hates. In an effort to go against then he just gave them something they genuinely love, and he can never change that

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Imagine getting so assmad that your game got popular with white girls on tiktok and the gays that you make a spite project solely because your so scared of people looking up to your characters like some kind of Patrick Bateman/Walter White for women

[@MarvinPowell1]

_"because [you're] so scared of people looking up to your characters like some kind of Patrick Bateman/Walter White for women"_ So just like Harley Quinn?

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@MarvinPowell1 yeah but harley was already in her anti hero phase and no longer a villain by the time she became popular with that audience

[@Naru_cissu]

That's because they didn't add Skibiddy toilet to it, smh🙄

[@starryskies113]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂