When a Routine Welfare Check Ends Horrifically

[@4teenpages]

It's really stupid, after all we know now about psychology & killers, that we still don't take animal abuse seriously.

[@Gunnar2V]

Seriously, this society makes me sick

[@VARY78]

Well they do say that people who kill animals go to humans next..

[@tablescissors]

We do, laws across the country and the globe have changed. However, her mental illness and the place where she lives likely played a role in the decisions regarding what punishments or strategies were pursued going forward.

[@tablescissors]

@@Gunnar2V productively get involved and create change

[@jessicacampana5583]

100% it's disgusting

[@JoJeromeMP]

Animal abuse needs to be taken far more seriously, and carry far stiffer sentences.

[@bubblesdelight]

I agree,the mum should've taken the dog off her straight away. I'm so sick in the belly and get very up set on animal abuse.

[@cynthiablandford6213]

Don't forget someone was brutally murdered far more serious! Jesus!!

[@EvaMilkens]

I swear when an animal is killed by a person that person will soon kill a human animal cruelty is just a hint that they fin do something more gruesome rip the grandmother 😢

[@kylethomas3224]

Talking about a growing list of ACTUAL red flags; mental instability, slowly loosing touch with reality, animal cruelty. If someone presents multiple signs there should be a mandatory 51/50, Baker, or whatever act for assessment and treatment. Depending on severity, random meetings to ensure adherence to the program. It might seem extreme, but records show that people with mental health issues DO NOT stick to a program. They get level and think, "I feel better I don't need the medication", and thus the cycle repeats.

[@Bidmartinlo]

I think *heavy* fines will deter the people doing this. Fines at a percentage, 25% of their yearly income could help _inspire_ some "kindness".

[@gagebyers1057]

She literally killed a dog in her bathtub and then everybody wants to act surprised when she killed her mom! This situation is just so very sad

[@yazajag]

Exactly! The first thing I think about when I hear a poor animal torture, is "violence towards animals leads to violence towards humans," we learned that in elementary school. If someone is torturing a poor puppy, and they have mental illnesses that aren't being properly monitored, changes are high, they will do something fast worse soon. This was so sad and completely avoidable.

[@kaykay1kc]

right. im not trying to be insensitive, but, HELLO!!! i was relieved it wasnt the defenseless child. thats the only comfort i have.

[@AmusedDumplings-ur5pu]

The "justice" system is a fkn JOKE! They allowed this monster to be around her child after she drowned a puppy in front of him💔 I hope she can't sleep without seeing her Mother's face & voice.

[@frankiefrankie8]

Ohhh wow, another Gypsy Rose Blanchard, keep an eye on that baby please parole officer!!!!

[@CallmeQuayZ]

I wished her mom left her crazy ass in jail

[@searabia]

This family suffered so much. They lost their sister, Shannan Gilbert, to the Long Island serial killer. And then this. What heartache.

[@PoppyOnPoppy]

They all seem simple minded

[@LunaMoonah]

I was SO shocked when I saw that. I had to take a moment to sit with that information. So so sad…

[@JaneDoe-tm6px]

​@@LunaMoonahblew my mind for a minute

[@tablescissors]

@@PoppyOnPoppy No, you do.

[@alissabuscemi7650]

I just looked this up, holy shit

[@sweezy9011]

Her sister saying “we don’t have anyone, we don’t have family” is heartbreaking and scary… God protect Maris husband, her sane daughter and her kids

[@Edelwiess1066]

Yeah and apparently not any trusted friends or community members. This family is disconnected entirely from the rest of humanity.

[@alanalycan3986]

​@@Edelwiess1066which is a red flag

[@punkyshrewster2736]

​@alanalycan3986 It's super common for families who are dealing with an adult with severe mental illness. People really don't want to get involved or deal with the madness.

[@PikaChu-nl2rd]

Im a reference librarian and we babysit homeless and extremely mentally ill people. Its really scary some days.

[@Monica-hv4rf]

@@alanalycan3986 could have something to do with their sisters murder being the thing that made that family so known to begin with. I live in NY and i hear of Shannan Gilbert SO often. That can't be easy on the family.

[@JudasMaccabeus1]

When someone tells you “I’m evil” and they’re clearly not joking around, believe them.

[@kristovapalenkova5884]

Oh I do

[@legitscoper3259]

No, she´s not actually evil... she propably just repeated what the voices told her to say... like you can clearly see when she was saying "im evil" there was no connection to the situation, like "The lights are on - but there is no one home" (in her head) she wasnt aware of anything, nor the things she was saying, thats illness and not someone being intentionally "evil"

[@ashasyoutubeaccount]

@@legitscoper3259 100%

[@AvaLiveLife]

⁠@@legitscoper3259 she was deemed competent to stand trial, effectively confirming they didn’t support the psychiatric diagnosis of schizophrenia. Many psychopaths try to mimic specific mental illnesses to lessen the sentence they receive.

[@egg-t8n]

im evil

[@sunshine3028]

I've heard that scream once in my life when I was at a child's funeral. That sort of scream gives me chills.

[@CatyaZamalodchikova1976]

It’s the visceral sound of a human in pain. It chills us because it’s instantly recognisable, on a cellular level.

[@jazzminehammock3606]

I had to pause the video because that scream is very terrifying to hear and seeing the basis crying too just broke my heart😢

[@adelinecalhoun8809]

I’ve only ever screamed like that once. And it was after hearing my baby brother shot himself. I’ve never processed pain or emotions the same since then

[@silly.5]

The way the babies say “grandma” truly breaks my heart. So terrible for them to experience.

[@Aquareyesgames]

I broke out in tears hearing them crying, the cop handled it very well though.

[@col.cottonhill6655]

​@@AquareyesgamesI consider myself really tough mentally and emotionally. But the tears were streaming half way into this video.

[@lindseyyoung9149]

​@Aquareyesgames I have to disagree here. That cop saying "it's ok" repeatedly isn't helping. It's NOT ok. They just found out they lost their grandmother. It's ok to not be ok sometimes. And parents shouldn't be made to feel as if showing emotions in front of children isn't ok. It's human to do so.

[@Wheresayana]

@@lindseyyoung9149 they all look under 8 years old…no one’s saying they can’t show emotion, but they are not able to comprehend what is going on. The cop did what she could, she’s trying not to cause panic. Kids see caregivers panic and they panic. It’s already traumatizing for them, poor babies 💔

[@lindseyyoung9149]

@Aquareyesgames She should have kept her mouth shut and let the MOM of the children handle it. You really think her meaningless words and quick pat on the shoulder did something for that kid??

[@Ts-zo9ei]

My mother killed my cat in front of me when I was a kid among many other things and I'm still extremely traumatized from that. I rescue animals to an extreme from it.

[@Chardan001]

That's awful, I'm so sorry

[@almavalencia4248]

I’m sorry that happened to you

[@maggie0285]

One time my dog killed my kitten. I was screaming and my mom came out on the back porch yelling at me for being an annoyance. She told me dad would take care of it when he got home and went back inside slamming the door. I kept crying and went upstairs to my room. My much older sister who was 12 years older than me was listening to music. She yelled at me to shut up and kept listening to music. I repressed all of that until I was in my middle 20s. It came back with a vengeance. I felt the pain I hid away for all those years. Sorry you went through that

[@motherbear327]

I wish I could give you a hug. Those things stick with a person. 😟

[@mandypdx]

I am so sorry!! I think it is beautiful that you are now rescuing ❤

[@Love.ellie.]

The fact she has a child is terrifying, she needed to be in a facility

[@marilynsmith365]

100%

[@koopakoop]

some people havent heard of not putting your D in crazy

[@legitscoper3259]

yes

[@Kim-g8j5s]

Exactly. Why in the he double toothpicks was she free?

[@JanBee1122]

Yes, everyone knows this beforehand but it somehow only ever happens after they murder someone.

[@kwisclubta7175]

Some stellar police work on display here 🙄 Someone observes a person on the floor, bloody, and the cops just slowly and calmly continue walking around, eventually call to ask if it's ok to bust the door down, and then ASK PERMISSION to call EMS?!! And even once they get inside, not only do they let the suspect walk out of their sight and take their time restraining her, they don't even bother to go check on the victim until the suspect says she's still alive. What a bunch of incompetent cops. Edit: Holy shit, they let her wash her hands before getting forensic samples??? Oh my God, what a bunch of clowns!

[@dunovancarr4879]

Yeah this is some keystone cop stuff here. Should have know when they said "Village Police Department".

[@MzBadAzz1984]

the police pissed me off

[@keribentley3161]

Exactly I was thinking any other place they would of busted in one detaining her & the other checking on the mother & EMS would of been called as soon as they her husband said he's seen her body like what the fluck

[@ranickhaan]

They let the family run around outside. They said dumb stuff like, “I understand” and tell the kids, “It’s okay”. No action on what are clear exigent circumstances. No crime scene security. They let Sara walk away after confronting her in the house. She picks up a metal water bottle she could use as a weapon. They take out cuff before they have physical control of Sara. Dumb. Just dumb.

[@LifeHasLived]

I didnt see this comment and commented the saaaame thing... Insane these people are police. Terrible work.

[@seandelap8587]

Sarra should never have been allowed back into that house again

[@Sandy-bw3kc]

😮😮u 66yyyyyyyy 77

[@laikanbarth]

I think the mother felt guilty for what happened to her eldest daughter so she was trying to overcompensate for her mentally unstable daughter. Unfortunately, it cost her life.

[@connergehdatbahng]

Or society

[@klz9500]

​@@laikanbarththis isn't the mother's fault. It's the doctors that deemed her mentally fit and the judge who released her. Her mother shouldn't even have had the ability to let her be anywhere. She should have been committed by the state.

[@ekbanks]

Poor parenting. Was the mothers fault all the way.

[@XaMarie21]

People that harm animals and children are the absolute worst.

[@Scott6794]

Agreed

[@HeatherL7290]

Yes pure evil

[@jessicahill8901]

You're vegan

[@jessicahill8901]

@@Scott6794 You're vegan

[@jessicahill8901]

You're vegan

[@OutgrownThings]

18:15 The way she walked into the kitchen, nonchalantly smoking a cigarette like a friend just arrived, and immediately (and calmly) tells the officer what happened… truly haunting

[@whitneymiller3809]

She knew she was in trouble and knew that was gonna be her last cigarette. She just accepted. She's human garbage.selfish.

[@yumyknktrash3508]

I got so angry when i saw that.If i would be that cop i would have lost it already..

[@PhoebeBananahammock]

It's a symptom of the schizophrenia...

[@bobbiecapewell5333]

Honestly it was a real jump scare. If I was that officer I'd have died right there on the doorway! Sadly, that lack of emotion in her voice is a symptom of schizophrenia. Without medication, she just won't be able to demonstrate a "normal" baseline of emotions

[@attorneyscottmiller1429]

@@PhoebeBananahammock yeah if only "the voices" told her to stop smoking cigarettes and to lose some weight....it's all bs

[@joycemontgomery8626]

This must be a really small police force. The incompetence is unbelievable.

[@gemaimapoole1005]

i exactly agree. basically ignoring the dead dog (and the fact she killed it IN FRONT OF HER SON??), letting her go from that with basically no repercussions even after she said she was evil, not supervising her while she went to the bathroom, ugh so many things stupidly done

[@adelinecalhoun8809]

I don’t care if it was a one person police force. This is just pure idiocy

[@Eva-Hahn]

Her mother was a major reason why Gilgo Beach Killer received so much media attention. It saddens my heart that she lost one daughter to murder without knowing they would eventually find the serial killer who is currently on trial. And another daughter murdered her. She was a really strong person. I still cannot believe she was killed by her daughter.

[@MaekarManastorm]

Welcome to America

[@WVgrl59]

​@MaekarManastorm if you think it only happens in america, you need to read more. 😂

[@harley8680]

@@MaekarManastorm you wish you could live here fool!

[@dani-eh3tf]

Who’s gonna tell this guy mental illness is everywhere, not just America.

[@juliafloreshernandez6854]

​@WVgrl59 seriously ive watch a lot a news read news papers and its really nothing compared to the meased up things white people do

[@JesusisKING2020]

What those babies saw and went thru. My heart is aching for them. Lost a puppy watching his Mom violently drown it, lost their grandma, witnessed them finding her body, and then lost their Mom.... I pray God keeps a hold of them.

[@eternalstudios4502]

Elroy was such chill guy, and seeing his reaction, he handled surprisingly well, but you can tell in his voice he was not okay.

[@NotABigFanOfTh3Government]

As a new husband and father, his reactions as well as the kids had me all sorts of fucked up

[@hecklinjekyll3959]

Poor guy. 😢

[@valsptsd814]

He essentially is the person that “found” her. The damaged she sustained must have been overwhelming. That poor man.

[@carmine_]

Yea man it made me so depressed

[@itzrachei]

fr

[@PazuzuM666]

Now I'm really mad!! She should be locked up for what she did to that dog!!! She should have not been around to hurt anyone else!!

[@candiland2650]

Her case was still pending. Her mom bonded her out after letting her sit for 2 months..

[@iGotSumn2Say]

I saw a show that detailed the case about her sister that died. They were interviewing the mom throughout the show. Closing out the show they disclosed that the mom was killed by her daughter shortly after filming. I was blown away as im watching this video and they reveal this is the sister and mother of that same girl.

[@nolanferro2933]

Yeah this one blew my damn mind. Watched a video about the Long Island serial killer, had no clue the investigation was in relation to this woman’s sister. Crazy thing as well, the house where she killed her mom is located 30 minutes away from me. Never heard about this story until watching this video. Crazy.

[@BEAUTYnIQ]

@@iGotSumn2Say she's mental.. the mother saying she loved her after she tortured a dog was creepy.. l believe in humans before animals, but you don't hav to torture them.. like the yulin festival.. that is the worst! this freak show should nvr see daylight again.. why didnt they force ger to take her meds after the dog.. mom might still be alive now..

[@juliusperseus8612]

*Shannan Gilbert was NOT Murdered by the Gilgo beach Kiler though.*

[@tonymerrell]

I think I saw that one too. Was this the little sister that the killer called? I mean, that would explain a LOT.

[@silk132]

the girl is so traumatized by her sisters murder it changed her brain to make HER a killer.

[@ElysiaBush]

After killing a dog in front of a child, I don't understand why she was permitted to be around children, why she wasn't taking medication, and why she wasn't in a facility. It seems like everything could have been avoided, and the system failed badly.

[@StrawbrryMilkTea]

Because mental health problems are not taken seriously until it’s too late

[@Nirual]

Mental health is an issue, true, but that doesn’t meant that she doesn’t deserve to be punished.

[@StrawbrryMilkTea]

@@Nirual if they were taken seriously and treated this could have been avoided.

[@ItsNotReallyWork]

​@@NirualThey said she SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN FREE. Nobody said she shouldn't be punished. Where did you get that from?

[@TrinaDubyah]

The system continues to fail it wants to sit there and place labels on everybody because of certain actions but people that clearly display signs screaming for help basically they just ignore them

[@mrjonesandme8848]

I work in a Psych Crisis unit. This is my life. She is extremely ill. This wasn't an act. This is really what some people live with in their heads. It's horrible

[@NathanBee3]

Mentally illness is real. So many ppl don't seem to get that.

[@NathanBee3]

Through proper treatment/intervention this could have most likely been prevented.

[@Thais-x7c]

Thank you It's sad to hear the lack of empathy You seem like the right kind of person for the job you do I'm sure it's gotta be difficult

[@jobowman3144]

@@NathanBee3proper is the key. She gets on meds does fine but without them she kills people and animals. So why isn’t she being monitored since they know she routinely stopped taking her meds. Someone needs to be held responsible. Why isn’t someone checking her levels weekly or biweekly? They do for suboxone but not for psych meds Let’s keep a check on people who might use and not people who might kill again. Nice!!!

[@natsinthebelfry]

@@Thais-x7c Empathy is putting these things down so they don't hurt innocent animals or real human beings.

[@wilsonverno]

i don’t understand why now a days people can’t go to jail for a longer time for killing an animal. especially the way she did it, and admitted to it. AND A KID WITNESS WHAT SHE DID. and how it’s a known fact people who kill people have killed animals in their past… why are they just letting these people back into society i really don’t understand it.

[@loveableheathen7441]

It probably has something to do with the cognitive dissonance we experience as we farm animals on a mass scale

[@thebackrooms7511]

This woman is clearly very mentally ill and not in control of her faculties.

[@rogusmith2630]

if she got real jail time for doing that the mom would be alive 100%

[@deanpd3402]

The insane should be kept away from society, like what used to happen. They are simply too dangerous.

[@jkkhawbung2816]

is she not bonded out by her mother before the trial for killing puppy?

[@JJawsyW]

As a retired LEO you can tell these officers haven't delt with homicides before. So many mistakes were made.

[@HamburgerAmy]

you could of just said you're divorced and see your kids every other weekend and we'd of known you're a "LEO"

[@His1andOnly81]

@@HamburgerAmywhat does that have to do with him being a retired LEO?

[@mariastewart9820]

​@@His1andOnly81exactly !!!! These fools get on here and say anything !

[@caramelizedterrorist]

@@HamburgerAmybro just wanted to be a hater lmaooo 😭😭

[@Hamilton8122]

I thought after getting Sara they’d check make sure no pulse. Right?

[@delriocarriedo]

It's insane that this woman was not only able to continue to live freely in society, but also be responsible for a child!!! WILD!!

[@aussiehillbilly]

somethings not right

[@Big_Z14]

I lived next to a woman who had similar problems and she eventually ended up having three kids and her mother has custody of all of them, finally the state stepped in and made her get her tubes tied so she would stop bringing children into the world despite being unfit and incapable of caring for them. That should have been the case here as well.

[@93xZam]

​@Big_Z14 and all those down bad baby daddies knocking up a down bad mental breakdown female... smh

[@dynagaming2693]

Because society has taken a "gentle approach" to dealing with mentally ill people. There used to be things called asylums, otherwise known as state hospitals, which housed and treated dangerous but mentally ill people. Then, some individuals got together and felt sad that mentally ill people were locked up in these hospitals and said, "What if we release them all into the communities and let the community help deal with them?" This was called "deinstitutionalization." It's had far reaching consequences that many civil rights / liberal people won't even acknowledge. Instead of working to fix the problems in the asylums, which there were many, they thrust these mentally ill people upon communities that were not even prepared to deal with them.

[@vallee7966]

@@aussiehillbilly yea, something’s not right! Our justice system that constantly releases dangerous people back into the world. Until they KILL SOMEONE.

[@bugsybrown1745]

I appreciate the subtitles including the belching officer. For some reason, that entertained me and added a very human element to the story.

[@psychandgenes]

Not once, but twice 😅. Much needed

[@ameribritmutt]

the license plate read WICCA 22 🫣

[@foylandreth4060]

The subtitles are great

[@kaitlanparks8061]

Easily the best out there when it comes to subtitles.

[@GingerWolf87]

So you get off on another's discomfort. Please stay FAR away from puppies, kittens, young children & seniors.

[@MDOOMBot]

I followed the Gilgo Beach serial killer case for years. Very familar with the Gilbert family. Mari Gilbert fought hard for her daughter Shannon and the other victims. She never got the chance to see her hard work finally pay off.

[@nellyb2434]

Yes I follow it too and it was sad to see what really happened here. What a tragic family! Her hard work did pay off, but still not for her daughter....yet!

[@tracyd693]

Same. Very sad story.

[@SukiSays23]

I came here to say same thing. This is extremely sad

[@sxm0so]

Yep same here, I live in the same area in it was so sad how it happened here.

[@RLFinTX]

Now it really makes me wonder about the tape of Shannon saying all of those things that no one has been able to make sense of. It was the recording when she was leaving that house at the end of the night. Very scary! So much tragedy in this family, it’s heart breaking! 😢

[@RainbowStarGumDrop]

This is why you dont bail out your children... Especially when they killed an animal.

[@aedansilva1114]

Severely Mentally ill people don't belong in jail

[@KeriWTexas]

I remember hearing she murdered her mom, but I’ve never seen ANY footage of the case until now-thank you!!

[@DigUpHerBones85]

Been out for years actually

[@KeriWTexas]

@@DigUpHerBones85I personally haven’t seen it

[@kwazimokava]

yea, im not 100% but i think the sister that died is the one attached to the gilgo beach murders

[@DeweyTwo-ey]

@@kwazimokava Yes, Long Island Serial Killer aka LISP

[@KeriWTexas]

@@kwazimokavashe is, they also mention it in this video

[@lorisewsstuff1607]

When asked what she did to the dog, she said, "You know what you did." Then she apologized and said she knew the cop didn't do it. It was like two people in one body having an argument. Spooky. 🥶

[@bighead1234ism]

I transport baker acts quite often & let me tell you lol I have prayed during and after

[@thetruthhurts3318]

She’s a joke 🥱 she was playing crazy of course … but she was able to get mad at her mother for not getting her out of jail the proper way at first or whatever 🤔 … if she was truly crazy then she probably wouldn’t have been able to control her emotions when her mom made a mistake… she knew what was going on that’s why she got mad

[@Blankityblankityblank-jh2mj]

I try to remember that for as scary as it seems on the outside, it’s likely profoundly scary to experience reality in such a fragmented manner.

[@toidIllorTAmI]

​@Blankityblankityblank-jh2mj she drowned a dog because she had to. She isnt scared, she is who people should be scared of. Hence why her mother is dead.

[@likethecolorgreen]

8:32 time stamp.

[@Masqueraaaade]

I knew a beeping smoke alarm could actually drive someone crazy

[@WVT0587]

If u noticed she said she heard a voice every time it beeped, then said she didn’t hear voices outside the house

[@svetlanaisayeva2624]

@Masqueraaaade Certain frequencies for sure can, and some people are much more sensitive to them than other.

[@kanento]

drive me crazy trying to understand why no one changes the battery

[@dowak3991]

@@svetlanaisayeva2624 Wrong, it is just something an already mentally ill person latches onto the sound didn't do anything if you removed it she would have latched onto something else. Don't spread misinformation about something like this.

[@Jen.K]

This is how psychosis works, you hear or see something normal, but the crossed wiring of the illness make you interpret it as something else. A mentally healthy person realises that it's a smoke detector, it might still be annoying and stressful, but they are in touch with reality. When you are in a psychotic state, it can mean anything, and whatever meaning it seems to be, seems completely real. It's a very difficult way to live, and can be terrifying.

[@nathansmith5841]

This is one of those rare cases where I agree with the insanity defense

[@kaylacrouse7094]

Straight up! I’ve never seen someone this mental I didn’t think was fake.

[@abigailandino6251]

@@kaylacrouse7094 her sister was killed by a serial killer about 6 years before this happened/ Rumor has it that Sarra was destroyed by it. I think the meds have alot to do with it too. Hallucinating, suicide and homicide are side effects. . I feel sorry for this entire family.

[@abigailandino6251]

First they mess you up with pills and when you start to see things they call you schizophrenic and “adjust” your medications. You become a walking talking zombie .

[@jacquelineclarke264]

Poor girl.​@@kaylacrouse7094

[@adams3560]

Absolutely. The fact that they found her guilty and sentenced her to prison really surprised me. That’s not where she needs to be. She needs serious mental help. The justice system failed here.

[@dianetandy1757]

If this young woman was known to be so early on why the hell was she allowed to keep her child with her. That could easily have been the child

[@AntiSocialMachine]

Leftists

[@monaesjourneys2976]

THIS!

[@jazg275]

Exactly, she said the puppy was evil Or whatever, so she could’ve easily thought that about her child instead. No remorse.

[@shanlynn81]

This was my thought - at some point that poor kid would have become a victim 😢. That poor kid has to be so traumatized bc of his mother

[@freyjaravenclaw3577]

Thats simple. The us government wants these animals free. They let my sperms donor out and he came directly for me and my mom. Almost killed us too. This monster should be in prison waiting for the locking 13 loop necklace for this

[@mindyhetrick9273]

Sadly, this lady is a prime example of why institutions need to be brought back. Had this women been in a long term facility, stabilized & in a safe place ,none of these incidences wouldve happened. Sadly, people think institutions are bad. They arent. Many people with mental illness are unable to function on their own & pose danger to themselves & others. An instutution allows them to live in a structured place. So sad.

[@sharpen193]

institutions are bad, they're proven to be bad.

[@earthdyrad]

I hate to break it to you but those long term facilities are actually horrible in todays world to their patients with mental illnesses. An institution doesn't allow them to live in a structured place in todays world. It does the opposite. You might want to experience an institution before you comment on this, because the institutions are bad in todays world. I honestly think they were better to their patients in the days of where humans did not know what half of the mental illnesses were.

[@Sparky16]

These same thoughts were going through my mind as well.

[@ingerfaber3411]

@@earthdyrad There is lots of evidence that "institutions" that are tailored to the individual with adequate support can help people with mental health illnesses get a better life. There is also plenty of evidence that living at home with sufficient support can help mentally ill people get enough structure to live a fulfilling life

[@1bullneck1]

I mean I agree to some extend. But in cases like these, people like Sarra, unfortunately, don't deserve anything. She killed her mother while pleasuring herself. I know it's rooted in psychosis and delusion, but she simply went to far to give her any second chances for anything.

[@kwakester]

There is such a thing as too much tolerance. Having too much compassion for someone when other people could be negatively affected is a bad idea.

[@vigilante8374]

The mom didn't have "compassion"; she was emotionally gaslighting her. Seems like I'm the only one who paid attention at 13:42. She didn't deserve to die but what we saw there was neither 'tough love' nor 'compassion'... neither of those things describes what the mom actually did: gushing about how she'll always love and be there for her one second, then yelling in a hateful tone of voice about all the errands she has to do and leaving her in jail for 2 months before she decides she'll bond her out after all.

[@c.b.h1151]

Yeah, like when she killed the poor puppy and the mum is still saying how much he loves her, instead of telling her what a deplorable thing to do to an innocent animal

[@eloradanan4235]

Compassion doesn't mean giving a free pass for horrible behavior. In this case, compassion would be to get her into a secure environment and treatment.

[@vigilante8374]

@@eloradanan4235 That's fine but people misunderstand me. If the mom was gonna do tough love that's fine. If mom explodes in anger that she'd kill a puppy, that's also fine. If mom gets her committed to a hospital that's fine, if mom thinks she needs to go to jail, that's also fine by me. Killing the puppy was all kinds of messed up. But what mom actually does is this: a big over the top love bomb in public, then in private a week later gets an incredibly venonmous nasty tone of voice and shouts that it's too much of a bother to help her. (because she has to "pick up the girls" and "get some paperwork", it seems). And she leaves her there for two months before bailing her out. Bail was $10,000 which sounds like a lot but that's only $1000 to the bail bondsman, and they allow you to pay in installments so it's probably more like $150 or something. Again if the mom was just going to leave her there because she thought that was best, that's fine, but from all we heard she sounds like an emotionally abusive person to me.

[@princekareem]

The family had already born a lot of trauma with Shannan's disappearance. I can understand how Mari had a complex relationship with Sarra and didn't want to push her away. There may have been preexisting issues in the family that made Shannan vulnerable to drugs and sex work (she also had unmanaged bipolar). It's really important to care for family members with schizophrenia/bipolar and not let them fall out of being medicated or in psych care

[@gabycatena7381]

Aggravated cruelty for drowning a dog?!?!? Everything about this case is absolutely infuriating.

[@wastelandwarriorz665fanacc8]

America for ya

[@ShelleyTomasino]

She's got zero business being in public or around that child.

[@Chief_Hammerdown]

..She could easily be a teacher in Boulder... Probably a Professor!!

[@Brenda-fp5te]

Why hasn't her family tried to get her help. Have her baker acted, something.

[@FuzzyDunIop]

They walk among us, waiting to snap at any given time

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

@@FuzzyDunIop and that's why we got guns

[@Chief_Hammerdown]

@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill ..to be fair, some have guns, some have cameras.. some have a video screen and popcorn..

[@dalton727]

thank you for including “(officer belches)” i really needed that vital information

[@Loralanthalas]

Body cam footage = humans at work. Go figure. Dont be an argument for narcissistic abusers saying the general public is too stupid to understand their jobs and stresses and we can't see their body cams. There a enough police chiefs that straight up LAUGH on TV when they say they're not doing a damn thing and end with the saying "one bad apple...." (Ruins the whole bunch)

[@p234gr8]

i think that was supposed to be a joke😭

[@ivyxrist]

what minute is that?

[@Panda-cute]

@@Loralanthalasholy overreaction batman go take your meds 😂

[@projectionv.accountability1010]

​@@Loralanthalas Dude. There are great therapists out there... you should probably find one. Today.

[@molly4193]

She was sentenced to 25 years? She must NEVER be released. She is ill and a danger.

[@MrGoddlie]

She needs help not prison... Jail nor prison give those with severe mental illnesses the help they really need. Once free, they are worse from when they came in.

[@JonnyChiasson]

She needs capital punishment

[@jeremyn6825]

​@MrGoddlie, there is no help for her. She's a liar and a manipulator. She knew what she did. Don't feel sorry for the "mentally ill" cause they won't feel sorry for you.

[@mattadey4220]

@@MrGoddlie do you feel the same way about paedophiles? Apparently that's a mental illness too.

[@thatswedishguy638]

​@@MrGoddlie you only say that because it's a woman.

[@genat3833]

I can really appreciate how kind and understanding the officers were

[@brandieieio]

She purposefully killed a puppy yet was let out of jail and not required to stay in a mental facility?! WTF?!

[@free-tx8jg]

She went to the mental hospital first, then to jail after she was released.

[@bartholomewesperanza3442]

They didn’t just let her out, her mom bailed her out

[@brandieieio]

Thanks guys! I watched the same video as y’all. I got all that. That’s not the point.

[@omglykenowai1]

@@bartholomewesperanza3442 So they got paid to just let her out. I don't get why bail is an option for situations that aren't property crimes

[@kapilsethia9284]

But to prosecute her they have to say she is fit for trial even when she is not.

[@miraaranel]

Just as an fyi, schizophrenics very often have excessive thirst. One of the concerns with schizophrenics is that they dilute the electrolytes in their bodies bc they drink so much water. The flat affect (they described it as "robotic) is also very typical. Our mental health system is broken, she should have never been able to go back home that unstable.

[@Thais-x7c]

That is the entire problem in this country

[@river8760]

I have never heard or seen that regarding schizophrenia (excessive thirst).

[@WFB-3]

But but…. I’m ALWAYS thirsty

[@PeriwinkleSunrise]

I thought she said she took one of her medications (Haldol) and that that was the reason she was thirsty?

[@Kick_bb]

@@river8760i was diagnosed a while ago and i never knew either 😭

[@OhhOk]

Officer Gonzales is an idiot. She let her wash her hands. Then when explaining that her underwear had blood she leaves out what sarra told her. Why would you not tell the sergeant that sarra said she had her pants off while stabbing her. Instead she just tells her hey she has bloody underwear and when they ask her why she says " i dont know, i feel like she didnt have clothes on" even though the lady just told her exactly why they were bloody. She was frustrating to watch.

[@JudsonWallace-y3s]

These are the same cops that had to ask for permission to check on a person that could have been dying, not that bright…. If you see a dead body, or someone that could be dying…. That is probable cause. The level of stupidity exhibited in this film is disturbing. Telling a woman to get to get it together whose mom was just potentially murdered (not intelligent enough to just go ahead).

[@tablescissors]

@@JudsonWallace-y3s Yeah, just don’t know where all the good, experienced officers went during that defunding process 🤔

[@julesdotmp4]

@@tablescissorstheir budget is 1.3 BILLION dollars and they’re still idiots, funding ain’t the problem bro

[@collette6531]

If only we had you on the force. Easy to judge when you're on your couch staring at a screen, huh?

[@Thais-x7c]

​the same cops that declared her murdered sister a suicide

[@meleahmadeit]

I started crying when Mari came to comfort Sarra 😫 man I really am so grateful for my mom

[@isabellamartinez2992]

Another case with so many warning signs leading up to this, so sad for that poor little boy

[@Popinjay-yo4iy]

That poor precious puppy

[@klz9500]

So sad for the dead mother maybe?

[@H3li0s_kun]

Reminds me of the Vince Li decapitation case in Canada. Both of these people are textbook insanity defenses. They are extremely sick and take no effort to protect themselves legally. Also, both cases had previous incidents that should have been warning signs to get these people treatment to protect the public. I'm surprised she wasn't found not guilty by defect or insanity like Vince (who is out now). Imagine having to live with that though... There can never be justice :(

[@Robert-ur8mi]

It could have been him! I don’t now how she was allowed to keep him. Smh

[@keimorgan5654]

@@Robert-ur8miI was thinking the same thing. How was she allowed to have custody of her child.

[@cleetus1715]

Asking for the husbands information 10 seconds after he has learned his wife is dead is 10/10 police work

[@marlborrows]

exactly. unbelievable.

[@houseadams4841]

Yeah… That was… an odd choice at that time.

[@fredmanie2926]

It's like when they cuff a person after dumping a clip in them

[@twinscoupe]

Seriously

[@hammerhyena4207]

How long should they wait to get the information?

[@Stacey67643]

Anyone who harms an animal is evil…..pure evil.

[@KimLangston]

This was the best put together crime video ever..ur channel is on point

[@Chris-vu2ot]

It’s hard to understand until you live with someone like this. The emotional toll is huge and I’m so sorry this ended like this.

[@princekareem]

Mari already lost one daughter (the famous case of Shannan Gilbert). I can see why she didn't want to 'lose' another. Humans are complex

[@miketheman8169]

​@@princekareem Humans are st.upid.

[@VidweII]

It is so hard to understand without living it. The love but also the willingness to overlook I see in my mother cursed with two schizophrenic/drug addicted children is astonishing. Mental illness is such a curse and made her and sometimes my life hell. It's difficult not to 'harden the heart' towards them for the utter void of any positive quality of life they've provided her. I've found my limit of what I'm willing to tolerate and I also hope my mother does before she pays this kind of price for it.

[@Cedawood]

To know there are so many people & animals out there that are suffering & worse from people with such sicknesses. Poor dear dog & mum 😢

[@jessienegron3266]

Ugh I know is horrible just to think about it 😢

[@that.ll_do_pig]

Agree. I often have that thought and it's really overwhelming and I have to find things to distract myself. These videos probably aren't helping. 😢

[@kacigriffin9335]

This video made me so angry….. it literally breaks my heart thinking of what her poor mother went through and that poor dog AND her son was right there while she drowned his dog like wtf is wrong with people?!!!!! She should’ve never had any kids!

[@kacigriffin9335]

I find myself being angry that anybody would leave her alone with a child or an animal let alone GIVE her an animal like come on they all had to know she was sick af!

[@hiddendesire1991]

I know this is the shit that keeps me up at night. Makes me sick to my stomach and my skin crawl.

[@tish5492]

The way my jaw dropped when you sd her sis was Shannon Gilbert! Wow! I remember that tragedy all too well. Y'all NEVER cease to intrigue us!! Thank y'all. Thoughts going out to all victims involved.

[@KahleiaELoria]

Now I gotta go research

[@u.synlig]

@@KahleiaELoria Gilgo Beach. Rex Heuerman. Serial k.

[@bethdumont9020]

Mine too. I do hope they found some peace and can move on.

[@KahleiaELoria]

@u.synlig thank you!!!!!!!

[@u.synlig]

@@KahleiaELoria Grizzly True Crime has done some pretty good shows, putting it all into context.

[@Dellzzz]

Those poor kids will have this engrained into their minds forever. I feel so bad for the trauma and heartache they’ll forever deal with from this situation. Prayers for them

[@georgegarratt5559]

Why did it take the police so long to check Maris body?? It’s bizarre… the second they saw her body on the floor the police should have instantly kicked the door down no questions asked. It took the suspect to suggest she was still alive for someone to finally actually check the victim. This is a massive oversight.

[@robinjohnson5113]

The police seemed to be poorly trained.

[@boston-ku4gi]

Exactly I was just about to post a comment saying did the cop really need to call his boss to ask permission to kick the door in when you see a bloody body inside 🤦‍♂️ of course you have permission! She could still be alive!. Also she says she killed her mom and you let her walk into the living room sigh.

[@user-eu1rh2nm8j]

Exactly what I said. This was crazy. Complete focus on Sarra and zero on anyone else....they r so bad at their job. Placating Sarra, even to the point they let her remove evidente.

[@bluefoxpaw11]

there was over 200 stab wounds i would think she’s gone unfortunately

[@ellensiniscalchi1482]

@@robinjohnson5113 You can say that again! Good god what a bunch of poorly trained amateur hillbillies on that force.

[@cryeath]

Mari GIlbert was also an advocate for murder victims as her other daughter Shannan is believed to be a victim of the Gilgo Beach serial killings, the discovery of her body lead to the discovery of other victims in the area. Mari's story is unbelievably tragic, I hope she is resting in peace with Shannan.

[@lindseyyoung9149]

This was mentioned in the video.

[@jenw.1412]

So she was the 1st victim found? I didn't realize that.

[@lynncantrell2782]

Is it possible that her sister killed her? I’m not familiar with the beach murders

[@cryeath]

@ No, Rex Heuerman was arrested and charged for some of the Gilgo Beach victims earlier this year. I think the likelihood is that he’s responsible, but it’s never been proven who murdered her unfortunately.

[@cryeath]

@ realised after I commented haha

[@King_Koolkaine]

There's no "getting better" for people like Sarra. They literally don't see the world the way normal people do and sometimes it has extreme consequences.

[@edwinajohnson2963]

That's not always true. My mom tried to stab my brother. She literally tried to sell my nieces newborn daughter before she said that "God" wanted her too.Just out of the blue. She never exhibited any violence or irrational thinking before those episodes. We had to do a 5150 hold on her. My mom was released with no meds or no future appointments. Not even two weeks later, she went into a local store and attacked the cashier. She told us and the police that her dad told her to do it. My grandfather died almost 7 yrs before that. She was again placed in a mental institution. At that time she wasn't released for 37 days. When she came home, she was diagnosed and was placed on the correct meds. One of those meds was Haloperidol, which Sarra mentioned taking in this video. Mom didn't like how it made her feel so she stopped taking it. Which led to another mental break. Afterwards she was given injections every month instead of daily pills. For 5 yrs she returned to that sweet woman she was before her first breakdown and she remained that way until she died in 2022.

[@RemyK-24]

This is a very disturbing comment. What do you mean by "people like Sarra" and "normal people"? Not everyone with schizophrenia kills people, and schizophrenia is very treatable. People with schizophrenia are still people, and there are amazing people with schizophrenia. There are literal astrophysicists with schizophrenia. Calling people without it "normal people" is very stigmatizing and harmful.

[@King_Koolkaine]

@ What are you on about? I’m talking about people who murder others.

[@princekareem]

There is managing. Sarra should have been on her medication and being supervised on that. She probably needed some hospital visits also. She has schizophrenia

[@TwoBs]

@@King_Koolkaine Yea, people are quick to get so defensive when it’s plainly obvious given the subject matter that you’re specifically speaking about someone who has committed heinous acts PRIOR to even the incident with her own mother. What you said isn’t wrong - there is a very obvious and clear difference between someone like her and someone normal, normal meaning y’know someone (which can be anyone with even a mental disorder) that DOES NOT harm animals so cruelly and then attack their mother. I think people just leap for the moment to be offended to morally grandstand before taking a moment to reread the comment and think about what is actually said.

[@myknic]

I felt like puking when I heard the mom talking about how she would be there for her daughter forever and how much she loves her. That poor lady. This is one of the most chilling true crime videos I have ever watched it all my years of viewing.

[@tricki_nicki]

She stood there and allowed her to wash her hands. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@RioMuc]

That's what I thought even before they talked about it! "Is she allowing a murder to wash her hands!!!???" And Sarra clearly explained to the same police woman who allowed her to wash her hands why her panties were full of blood, because she had taken her trousers off before she killed her mother to avoid blood on it. And the police woman tells her supervisor she doesn't know why Sarra's panties are full of blood. How can this dumb woman work for the police!?

[@mariahmathes9653]

Yes... I'm not a option and I immediately knew that wasn't right... before they announced it

[@jennifermaddy2442]

Plus get a drink & smoke her cigarette for a few more puffs

[@reginagilby1101]

In the end it really didn’t matter though

[@SmellsLikeVictory_]

DEI hire

[@niesenoell]

If someone looks you dead in the eyes and says “I’m evil” believe them…

[@legitscoper3259]

OR try to understand what schizohrenia is.

[@DevilOnlyKnitsLace]

​@@legitscoper3259Few people try to understand schizophrenia. It's a complex diagnosis that's difficult to treat. To the schizophrenic, they are in their right mind. Treatment takes away their experienced thoughts and feelings; many of them hate their symptoms, yet they find they they can't live their lives without the symptoms. Many schizophrenics are some of the most brilliant, creative, and artistic people: Donny Hathaway, John Nash, Syd Barrett, Old Dirty Bastard, Joey Ramone.... Anyone can google a list of m*rderers with schizophrenia.

[@Scott6794]

​@@legitscoper3259It's something that makes you dangerous.

[@xxxnyb]

lol no she is just a schizo, she aint evil

[@Samira-hz4gs]

it's called severe mentall illness, they are not actually evil, just very very ill and need help.

[@MxSae]

Yikes. I hope these guys realized their mistakes after this. The lady made so many mistakes like letting her wash her hands, wiping her face, etc. They all messed up real bad, but it’s a good thing that it didn’t completely ruin anything. At least she was still convicted.

[@primroseproblematic2059]

30 day observation is actually a serious response to killing a dog. I’ve seen people get away with it completely in rural Texas. Sickening.

[@Tentacl]

She is schizophrenic and paranoid and even after she drowned the dog nobody NOTICED?

[@sansequanimity5998]

Obviously they noticed. It says she spent 35 days on a psychiatric hold & the sister even mentions that she's schizophrenic and hears voices. But being mentally ill isn't a crime. They couldn't just lock her up because they were worried she might do something. And it's actually really difficult to have someone taken to a psychiatric facility against their will unless you can prove that they are an immediate threat to themselves or others. Basically, in order to be held against your will in a facility you either need to hurt yourself, hurt someone else, or actively tell a medical professional or officer that you're going to hurt yourself or somebody else.

[@AntiSocialMachine]

These days mental illness is a badge of honor. It would’ve been discrimination for them to pay any attention to her. And it would’ve been sexist and racist to try to prevent this.

[@kirstenwright1974]

My friend is and he's the nicest guy ever . So just cause someone is mentally sick doesn't mean they will hurt anyone

[@Tentacl]

@@kirstenwright1974 I never said they would. But she already proven she was dangerous AND mentally ill. Hypocrisy doesn't help in those cases.

[@sansequanimity5998]

@@Tentacl Exactly what could they possibly do? Again, you can't arrest or commit somebody on suspicion that they may commit a crime one day.

[@jessie_sloan]

Why didn't anyone check on the Mom immediately? He has a full conversation with Sara before even looking in the room.

[@stevec6002]

Because he is completely incompetent.

[@sweetlotusrain]

I was wondering that too, when Elroy said that Mari’s bloody, why’d didn’t police ask dispatch for ambulance

[@vihaze6725]

@@sweetlotusrain Right? They waited ages and then finally went "Do you want me to call EMS?". This police department clearly has ZERO training.

[@sweetlotusrain]

@@vihaze6725 I wonder if this is the same police force that were responsible for taking eons to find the Gilgo Beach serial killer smh

[@heatherfahrenkopf67]

Right! I was upset seeing him even walk into the room she was in and hardly did anything. Then again if she was stabbed over 200 times I’m sure she wasn’t alive anymore at that point anyways.

[@lorimontcalm9086]

How much tragedy can one family endure? So sad, my condolences to the family.

[@gilla2092]

As an irish woman, sadly, too much

[@CarlyGayJepsen]

@@gilla2092 what does that mean? Genuinely asking

[@gilla2092]

@@CarlyGayJepsen my mom would have asked if they were irish. We have a lot of tragedy in the blood. And in our own case, I'm 25 and I'm the last adult left standing after covid swept our family. Lost a baby, mom, a set of grand parents, uncles. I'm next in line as breadwinner, my dad had a dui driver give him a TBI when we were little. The irish have something in the blood

[@gilla2092]

@@CarlyGayJepsen and I won't be here past my 40s thanks to colorectal

[@CarlyGayJepsen]

@@gilla2092 oh okay sorry for your loss and i hope everything goes well for you in the future, i’m not exactly sure what you mean but it sounds like you’ve been through a lot. Take time for yourself and be gentle with yourself i know it’s easier said than done but don’t let the stress and negativity get to you 🫶🏽

[@juliakoreman4022]

i really think we need to take animal abuse more seriously, we've seen that so many killers have hurt animals before hurting people. i wonder how someone who does this can still have custody of a child

[@sashie253]

After everything this sweet woman went thru with Shannan, she was really an inspiration to other mothers of missing girls. This is just tragic💔

[@Jamie-d6g]

The kids crying when they found out their grandmother was dead broke my heart

[@alaincharnier1971]

Kids learn by watching how adults react, they may have been mimicking the sister and husband

[@godzillaprime]

@alaincharnier1971 .............

[@NOTB666-p7v]

I’m currently at 14:10 and saw your comment, I’m scared to have the volume up Edit: I got to it… taking a break to call my grandma

[@kathrynbillinghurst188]

I’m sorry but children feel deeply, especially since their bond with Mary (grandma) was more nurturing and protective than ‘skitzo’ Sarah. 😢They’ve obviously felt and mourned loss in their family recently. 💐

[@kaitlanparks8061]

@@alaincharnier1971 Ok technically yes. That is technically true that we learn how to *act* but that is still symbolic of a feeling in need of expression. There are generally accepted “Universal Emotions” experienced by humans.

[@brucebeaver6929]

why would they subject those children to all the trauma like that? wouldn't you think they'd separate them from the scene ASAP?

[@andethidialbubabibub3261]

The whole department is filled with DEI hired women who are unfit to do their job... They fckin argue about collecting the bloody undies because it could be her period 😅 I mean.. How fckin stupid do you have to be to let her wash her hands?

[@vihaze6725]

The cops were so incompetent.

[@faithholy8316]

They did not have any family to take the kids away. They said they have no family

[@tealover7058]

@@faithholy8316they’re not talking about taking away to a family they’re talking about separating the kids from the scene of where their grandmother is dead.

[@LifeWithARedhead]

The saddest part is that there probably could have been treatment options for her after the first incident.. which they either missed or failed to complete in her initial stay at the mental hospital.. lack of funding and care from our government and society causes these types of endings... 😢

[@comradecarabao9122]

This was a preventable tragedy. 😟

[@prettypeggy98]

My God, how much tragedy can one family take? This is heartbreaking and so disturbing.

[@Tootssie]

It drove me crazy that no one went to check the mom until she said she was still alive. Like wtf. Aren't cops supposed to do CPR or some sh*t? No one even bothered to go to her.

[@takeitbreezy]

And that they didnt make entry as soon as they saw an injured person! Both of those were wild

[@eyesopen66]

I'm not just hating on law enforcement officer's here? But the level of policing, the service or lack of, has deteriorated so so much in my lifetime. It's universal it seems, in the west certainly? I'm from the UK, and this is the USA. Alot of officers don't seem to have a good working knowledge of the law and general procedures etc. IMO anyway

[@klz9500]

She was stabbed 227 times and her head bashed in. The volume of blood and the gore might have made it extremely obvious there was no way the woman was alive.

[@godzillaprime]

Oh shut up

[@karenneill9109]

@@klz9500yeah. There are times when it’s really obvious. It was obvious to her husband for sure.

[@jobyrne553]

She seemed to hear the voices each time the beep of the fire alarm went off and she said she didnt hear them outside. Also that young female cop didnt seem to know what she was doing, either she's just graduated or she needs more training!

[@annwitten4359]

It seemed to me like the officer was brand-new… What a sad, disturbing case.

[@decyattysyachpchyol]

Yep, seems those voices were a distortion of the fire alarm beeps.

[@kawaii33366]

Or the officer was trying to not press her or anything and just letting her talk and not escalate the situation. Yall ain't trained for this stuff and it shows lol

[@DeaftJoe]

​@@kawaii33366Yeah I missed the part of the training where you fail to handle / report evidence.

[@MrGoddlie]

She hears voices. You can tell she's mentally ill.

[@Effybeth2001]

God hearing her family sobbing and screaming is so fucking heartbreaking

[@sumlunatiksmom]

Seeing a bloody body does not mean she is dead, yet they spend time ASKING to kick the door, and spend time escorting Sarra OUT and no one has yet checked to see if Mari might be BREATHING. That was not acceptable.

[@teb3317]

She was cold! Dead!

[@rebeccab2446]

i don't disagree that they were VERY slow to look out for the victim - they didn't even check her vitals until crazy said she might still be alive. however, i dont think it mattered in this case 227 stab wounds to the abdomen was definitive

[@marelynhaines9606]

She was cold to the touch meaning she’s been dead for a while. She was gone long before they even got there. Basic research on your part would have explained that.

[@NO0MMM]

She was stabbed over 200 times and bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher, her health status was probably obvious… and they need to get confirmation if they should wait on backup or even swat team in some cases before entering.

[@Ocelot35]

@@marelynhaines9606 They didn't know she was cold until they checked on her! The point being made is that they should check immediately JUST IN CASE.

[@keepfaith_g]

bro. the firealarm triggered hallucination went deadly, that is horrible.also the female officer is so roookie, a quick handwash is still a handwash in context of trying to retain evidences...I hope the little kiddies are going to be ok growing up under these shadows. hayden is such a sweet baby... praying for them

[@keepfaith_g]

and sara is 100% mentally illed and incapable of living an independent life, i do not know how the institution was able to deem her 'capable' of being released and in custody of her son? Thank Goodness that the kid is not harmed aside from mental trauma...

[@lisalarsen2384]

@@keepfaith_gbecause the mom said she would probs take care of her

[@AntiSocialMachine]

So… she stabbed her mother to death and drowned her dog because she was too fucking lazy to change the fire alarm battery? That’s your excuse?

[@keepfaith_g]

@@AntiSocialMachine you might want to check your comprehension skills respectfully, in no way can you read my comments and think i am excusing what she did????????? you ok?

[@bkpk4hisapplesauce]

she drowned the puppy infront of her baby son. and she... was just let back go...? she is so cold about admitting to it, too...

[@pondaz3187]

I mean she has schizophrenia so yeah, that's why she is admitting to it.

[@bendover9021]

@@pondaz3187the phone call at the jail between her episodes was the telling part of her character. She just wants to get out to smoke and do whatever she wants, nothing about seeing her sister or anything. She’s criminally insane. They should start doing 40-to-life instead of 25.

[@HeilHydra-b8w]

​@@pondaz3187 who cares about sht eating mutant hell hounds

[@santy8017]

She was let back go because her mother paid bond

[@klz9500]

She's not cold she just lacks affect and feeling because she's schizophrenic. She's disconnected.

[@delee8407]

Poor Elroy, a husband should never have to see his wife like that.. and then to have to tell the daughter the second after seeing it... bless his heart..

[@delee8407]

The screams of the daughter are absolutely heartbreaking, the entire family breaking down and finding out all at once... this is beyond heart breaking. This poor family...

[@mlisaj1111]

Most longterm psych hospitals were closed under Regan for “care in the community.” As no funds were provided, that usually meant people with the most severe mental illnesses either relied on aging parents, or wandered the streets as the disheveled homeless guy arguing with themselves. Other countries have more semi-independent programs, where people have their own room or small apartment with some trained supervision, jobs they can handle like watering plants at a garden center, some financial oversight to help them budget and so they are not scammed or taken advantage of, etc. But these are very few in the US. It would be like if the US closed all nursing homes, then we all complained about the homeless elderly with dementia in the streets, or when tragic things happened.

[@maggie0285]

You are incorrect. State mental hospitals are opened

[@loriegosnell9355]

Educate yourself. Reagan’s intent was to put control of mental care in the States hands because of the appalling conditions it was in. The states powers that be failed to do their part in most cases and that’s why some states DO have decent mental care but a lot more do not. Don’t blame Reagan when it’s the states powers that governors and senators etc…. Who are throwing resources away on bs.

[@californiadreamer2580]

Not true. Hospitals were closed due to legislation enacted by Congress under the last months of the Carter administration before Reagan even took office. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.

[@Sandi-ke9mi]

🙌🏻 Spot on. 💙

[@jenw.1412]

Exactly! Now everyone just assumes that if they see a person walking the streets talking to themselves then they MUST be on drugs. Which means there is no such as compassion or empathy anymore either. It's really sad.

[@RelativelyHuman]

Ok right off the bat. The thing with the dog, she should have been hospitalized. She shouldn’t be in custody of a child, and animal abuse/killings are early signs of psychopathy. She 100% should not have been left alone with other people after that. I know animal abuse doesn’t land people in prison for life or anything but the signs she’s showing and how plain it is to her, it’s at this point basically expected she’s gonna snap even worse. There should be other things that lead to longer sentences. I know the dog itself didnt land her a long punishment cuz of just how the law works regarding animals But it’s a sign.

[@StrangeWorldNow]

This is why mental institutions need to be opened again. There are people that are a danger to themselves and others. Tragic events like this could be prevented

[@michelperez4100]

Who’s going to run these places and manage the people who require sometimes little to no care to people who require 15 minutes check ins 24/7, medication administration , therapy , feeding, bathing. That all costs money and for many people having to deal with patients daily a hourly rate of $30/ hour doesn’t cut it - that’s also assuming if they’re all properly trained and are good at their job

[@Monroemanordogs]

@@michelperez4100we did it for decades. I agree bring them back. Unless you have a better solution for the problem, institutions are the most humane way of dealing with them unfortunately.

[@Goatella26]

@@michelperez4100so your solution is to leave them on the streets? Do you understand MOST medical facilities have different levels of care?

[@Goatella26]

@@michelperez4100behavioral health units, mental health facilities, rehabs, prisons/ jails. They all have people who require far different levels of care. That is not the issue.

[@Edelwiess1066]

@@michelperez4100 So true.

[@davidx.1150]

“I’m the sister of my sister” lmao 😂 so your sister

[@richardlongmore9301]

The consequences of havinglittle to no mental health hospitals. This woman was clearly capable of horrific acts after killing the dog she should never of been let out in the community again

[@layla2115]

That poor family. I remember the story of Shannon Gilbert. It was awful. I had no idea about her other sister's mental health issues and her the poor mother.

[@newax_productions2069]

Progressives wanted to close all the insane asylums, they have zero right to complain.

[@Shivaismysaviour]

Oh they help? Nuthouses just holds them freaks and makes money from it.

[@colindavid2078]

1000% agree! Government let everyone down yet again! It happens everyday, Psychos running around the country left, right and centre!

[@oceanchicns]

When I attained my Psych degree, I was surprised to learn how Governments do not have more treatment hospitals in place. It's as if everyone is in denial about mental illness. This woman has had years of medication and sent back to this family to deal with. All the blood is on our hands. With our society spiraling out of control and mental illness and stress caused by financial problems the horror will get much, much worse.

[@Amy-iq7dd]

There used to be asylums, but were closed because there was so much abuse and people thought separate safe homes could accommodate those who were once in those asylums. I believe it was to spread the $ around to the people willing to open group homes. We have to do better.

[@isabellamartinez2992]

Captioning the cops burp took me out

[@bigwoogc]

Same!

[@rosemarysandcastle]

[officer belches]

[@thatgirl210.]

Man.. I have no words. My mouth hit the floor when I saw who her sister was. I am a big true crime fan and I remember seeing her sisters pictures listed as the Long Island victim .. what bothers me the most about these cases , you never learn the back stories behind victims .I’m a strong believer of generational curses and trauma. We can only imagine what else this family has endured

[@PallMall100s]

They need to fire that officer Gonzales or send her on a course in criminal forensics, first she lets the suspect wash her hands, then she doesn’t tell her supervisor that the suspect tells her that she had it all prepared and she took of her pants before she started the attack on her mother.

[@cirescythe]

Wont happen. Officer girlboss will eventually become chief girlboss, to replace the current girlboss with the nice earrings.

[@u.synlig]

The first officer who entered the house also needed more training. He was lucky that S.G. bore him no ill will, since he let her wander out of sight, back to the room where the body _and the knife_ lay. He was so off guard, that he would have been vulnerable to an attack.

[@leightonlawrence8832]

Luckily it's not gonna take a genius to crack this case.

[@dynagaming2693]

The part that's concerning to me is she persisted to try to enter the window despite the fact that she was told multiple times it was locked. It's as if she doesn't listen, and wasted time that could've been spent saving the victim (who in this case had been dead for some time, though they don't know that until they can gain entry and check), or searching for alternative means of getting in. The other problem too is that police are so constrained now on what they're allowed to do, you can actually hear the one officer call his chief about permission to kick in a door, despite the fact there is evidence of an actual emergency / crime. In most police departments and jurisdictions, you can force entry if there is an immediate risk to life. The fact that these responding officers see a bloodied woman laying in the home and still have to call and ask permission suggests deep problems with the Ellenville Police Department in both training and policies.

[@AmbersHouseDIY]

@@dynagaming2693 He also asked for permission to call EMS, which I found odd. Shouldn't that have been the first phone call the second he saw the bloody body?

[@kee-tu4cq]

This police dept is beyond pathetic. This is a murder charge so why was she even allowed to use the bathroom before her clothes being taken for evidence. Then officer Gonzales lets her wash her hands, and when she tells the supervisor about the bloody underwear, never even says that she had just said she had her clothes off while stabbing the mom. Sorry but that officer should never be left alone with any suspect. Even at the house it took forever for them to check on the mom, with no idea if she was still alive. Then allowed the suspect to just walk away and into a bedroom where she could have grabbed anything to harm him. Crazy.

[@juangutierrez7277]

Not only that but the conversation with her superior she's making no sense at all. Her underwear is soaked in blood Because she saw them when she lifted them She's not on her period though She didn't ask her, she just says that Then she talks about how she was on top of her stabbing her She's asked if she got that on camera People in this department just do not communicate and when they try they make a mess of it.

[@reddragon4482]

It's obviously a new recruit lol. I doubt you were born perfect, we all do really stupid things when we are trying to learn in a career. Since you are a super cop why aren't you training to be one then since you get everything correct right out of the gate lol.

[@juangutierrez7277]

@@reddragon4482 Do you get off your bed just looking to start random arguments with strangers online? Like, do you plan ahead what sort of arguments you will be starting or is it more of an impulse response? I'm genuinely curious.

[@SemperFi777]

​@@juangutierrez7277 All he did was just counter what you and the OP said. If you cannot take anyone disagreeing with you, I think you are the one that needs to get offline.

[@juangutierrez7277]

@@SemperFi777 Literally "countered" what I said (which was just me stating the facts of the conversation we all saw in the video) with the oldest and crustiest response ever. If I'm not a director I cannot comment on the quality of a movie? Or I must be a writer to comment on poor writing? Or a chef to say food is bad? It's ridiculous behavior and you're encouraging it, lmao.

[@maggieheath2026]

These officers appear to have zero training. Embarrassing.. it’s a miracle the whole case wasn’t blundered

[@amandamarshall1204]

I knew these people. I grew up in Ellenville. You are completely right. Couldn't believe they featured this. It's a very small town.

[@lawless7512]

They did surprisingly well for officers with no training then... officers job is to trial people they only arrest. Court decides when someone goes free. In fact they were talking to the killer pretty calmly, which what you're supposed to do.. the only bad part I could think of is the telling the mother to calm down but they are supposed to say that.

[@Jarethenator]

@@lawless7512 ......they let her wash her hands before collecting evidence off them.

[@Q-nt-Tf]

@@Jarethenator I mean it's basic hygiene, god knows what deaseses that old hag carried.

[@shoebones]

@@lawless7512, several minutes passed after finding Mari before anyone thought to check on her. in this case it wouldn't have made a difference but that should always be top priority. not an afterthought.

[@crystalwhitmer907]

If anyone didn't need to be in regular prison and instead sent to a secure medical facility for life, it's this woman!

[@comradecarabao9122]

Exactly!

[@marcycollinshtd4life]

This is why we need mental hospitals back

[@hieithefox]

We have them but they are expensive and don’t have a lot of room also we don’t often keep people in them for long they are treated released and repeat we honestly need to fix our healthcare system so people can access help and get long term help

[@horacio-ho3bf]

Nah, Republicans tactic is to keep everyone scared, whether it's immigrants, mentally ill, racism....that way W middle class won't ask why they are losing wealth

[@MateDrinker33]

They never got abolished, they still exist in every state; for example, the infamous and almost 100 year-old Bellevue State Mental Hospital in New York State still exists even today. The reason that "traditional mental hospitals" are less heavily-relied today on is due to the Johnson-era US Medicare & Medicaid programs making it more inexpensive for persons with mental illness to receive treatment on an outpatient basis. Prior to this, only the wealthy (e.g., Howard Hughes, William Faulkner, ect.) could receive outpatient mental health care.

[@legitscoper3259]

Before that you need socialised healthcare... who gonna pay for a lifetimes stay in the mental hospital... the family? no.

[@julesrules7297]

My dad works in the state mental hospital. He was beaten horribly by a patient who went insane from using sherm. 62 years old and this patient beat him and broke a coffee pot full of boiling coffee on his face. Bless the workers in those hospitals, it's terrifying work.

[@yhviekelly7775]

any coward that has the drive to harm/torture animals also has the drive to harm/torture children as they’re both typically weaker and defenceless. why the legal system still treats animal abuse as a joke is beyond me, let alone allowing them to be around kids

[@Dr_Vix]

She’s unwell. This isn’t that sort of case. American healthcare is a joke.

[@warmak4576]

Cuz a primate has a bigger chance to sympathise with another primate then an inferior animal, that is why you use derogatory animal names on ppl to make the act of 'denying life permits' easier.

[@robynfaal2202]

This person has severe chronic schizophrenia - although this is terribly heartbreaking, its clear to see she is not all there, its a very sad situation

[@MS-fb4vs]

Seeing the father, daughter, and grandbabies break down just made me cry so much. This is just heartbreaking. That poor family. 😭 the grandmother reminds me of my own mother. They were close in age. I can't imagine the pain the family is going through or the horrendous pain she experienced.

[@DemiGod..]

The grandbabies didnt know what happened, they were just coppying everyone else

[@Jinx_nightshed666]

​@@DemiGod..😢 sadly no when they....heard them cry they were distress because they realize that their grandmother was dead.... They're not copying or anything they can have feelings of their own, not to be rude or anything........ But they're not copying nobody but that's completely their own feelings they love their Grandma very much for what she but what that girl did was horrible and sicking.....

[@tablescissors]

@@DemiGod.. Because you enjoy acting heartless doesn’t mean they were

[@Lizzie-h3j]

And their mother was on her phone instead of comforting her 3 babies.

[@MS-fb4vs]

@Lizzie-h3j friendly reminder that trauma responses are different for everyone. Fight, flight, freeze. My sister is an excellent mother, but when my niece fell and hit her head as a toddler, she jumped back and screamed then froze. I immediately went to scoop up and hold my niece, while my mother grabbed ice. The mother just found out her sister more than likely murdered her mother. Her mother who she seemed very close with. After her other sister had also been murdered in the past by a possible SK. The amount of stress she must have felt in that moment is immense. While yes, the majority of people would agree that the first priority is to stay strong for the children and to comfort them... not everyone has the luxury of having that first as a trauma response. Go easy on her. Shes been through 2 HIGHLY traumatic events. And it seems she went home and was comforting the kids judging by her treatment of her nephew later on in the video. Be compassionate.

[@micahbellonline9462]

Psychiatrists would tell you that once a person with schizophrenia starts having religious delirium, claiming to be god, or hearing god, or Satan, you should take it very seriously. Most of the time, they will end up hurting themselves or someone else.

[@79Au]

Refreshed my subscriptions at the perfect time

[@IloveJesus777j77]

Jesus is coming back. Please repent

[@bikeyy2714]

@@IloveJesus777j77 Prove it first

[@onyx3856]

22:44 That fire alarm beep drove her insane.

[@HanaThyregod]

Yeah, the first beep and I offhandedly thought ‘oh man, that would drive me nuts’. Then Sara herself was all ‘did you hear the voices?’ and the realisation was sobering.

[@arandomexplosion]

damn ceiling birds won't stop tweeting

[@julzwonders]

EXACTLY - this family's story is worthy of a Poe story. She thought that fire alarm low battery beeping was the devil.

[@farmerbrown9708]

Her Mom was like "news flash asshole, I've been hearing it the entire god damned time!"

[@mugen_shima]

its a cultural thing.

[@TheIronPict]

Holy shit, that cop, that cop is the most professional cop I've ever seen. Dude looks young and pulls off all the right calls immediately in the moment, no panic. "Why did you lie to me", "Because I'm evil", "I dont think you're evil I think you're scare and had a bad moment" (about the dog). Bruh, 10/10 for that cop. He had me convinced.

[@sheilaboston7051]

They knew Sarra, but also appears as though they've had good training in dealing with the mentally unwell. I was very impressed with how they all handled her (apart from the hand-washing!)

[@stevec6002]

@@sheilaboston7051 They failed to check on the mom and only did it when Sarra suggested she might still be alive. How is that impressive?

[@biancabutras8956]

@@stevec6002 Those are different officers he is referring too at different times. The first officers with the dog handled it well but The 2nd set with Gonzales (The Female who let her wash her hands) & the male who didn't immediately go check to make sure if the mother was deceased are incompetent in my opinion.

[@jessica1580]

I’m glad I went to the comments before watching this. I can’t watch anything that has anything to do with animal abuse. Animal and baby abuse lights a fire of rage inside me unlike anything else and I can’t take it.

[@delee8407]

Yea good thing you didn't watch its absolutely heart breaking. She unalived her mother and the husband seen the body first , whole family outside with police trying to get in. The daught wails and the father crys and has to explain to the daughter what he just seen ... it's HEARTBREAKING. Truly so horrible.

[@IngridAsInBergman]

That dumb detective let her wash her hands! Incompetent award goes to….

[@pammyb6219]

This is sickening....they took forever to go check on the mom. Wow....

[@-taylord2am-473]

13:13 "Remember, nothing you can ever do will ever take my love away from you," that poor fn mother. Little did she know her own daughter would kill her not long after. So sad, after everything her mother did to try and help her.

[@Ninitschga]

She did Not try to help her. She enabled her.

[@cynthiakritika5047]

@@Ninitschgacouch critic

[@キアラシャイアン]

​@cynthiakritika5047 I mean it's pretty obvious after she drowned the dog and her mother just coddled her and kissed her forehead like a baby, that should've been a wake up call for this woman to force her daughter to get some help.

[@Daysfreak57332]

I have concerns about the mom's mental health as well....that was the strangest response ever.

[@sashie253]

​@@キアラシャイアンhelp where??? That's the problem here, there's literally NO help for family of the mentally ill. NONE. Prison won't do any good for a person like this and what loving mother would want that ? What should she have done?

[@benjamindeh873]

18:00 shouldnt this officer KNOW that if he sees someone bleeding or potentially dead on the floor, he has MORE THAN ENOUGH probable cause to smash his way in? Instead they take extra minutes calling their supervisor and stuff. 1- Call EMS and/or any support required 2- Smack the door open 3- Secure the area, make sure you are safe 4- Provide aid to the victim 5- Call your dumb supervisor Sadly the lady was likely already dead anyways. But this kind of dumb delays can cost people's lives. 24:05 Next level de-escalation from that police officer. A dumber one would scream something back. This one did it with the wag of a finger. I think these police officers did everything mostly right. They did their work and they were clearly trying to do it properly. My first comment is mostly for improvement. They do seem like good cops.