When Did Arabic Start | Ahmad Al-Jallad

[@MacrobianNomad]

One theory on the use of Aramaic by the Nabataeans is that it was due to the ruling classes enforcing it with it being a lingua franca in the Levant at the time. Great interview, always fascinating to hear Dr Ahmad al-Jallad. Than you!

[@DebPercy]

Fascinating. As soon as I saw an interview with AlJallad I stopped everything to watch. He is always interesting.

[@Janizzary]

Fascinating discussion!

[@anshinee.8186]

So interesting ! I wish I could like it more than once

[@rehanaflowerinjannah4499]

I simply the choice of topics you present and of course, the content is mostly discussed in an "easy-to "-absorb and process" manner. Thank you.

[@MAGH1O1]

Thanks to Dr. Jallad for his researches on Arabic and to this channel for its contents. Question to Dr. Jallad: 1500 years is NOT sufficient for a language to reach the complexity and sophistication of Arabic as it reached us in the form of poetry from the pre-Islamic era. The presence or absence of records does not form a solid basis for the conclusion on the age of Arabic. Do you think Arabic's complexity and sophistication evolved within the fragmented tribal societies in the Arabian peninsula? Is that even possible within the relatively short period of time and the isolated and fragmented tribal societies in Arabia?

[@azoozalajooz7263]

Not an expert, but I remember 40 or 50 years ago, a Tunisian historian on TV say that a few ancient clasical poets praised certain poets before them who had no surviving poetry, putting a poetic way of dateing classical Arabic because their poetry was before classical Arabic was formalized.

[@TheRealDaddyAbe]

Brilliant.!….Exactly what I’ve been looking for

[@tony.s4049]

Exactly the lies your ears wanted to hear

[@TheRealDaddyAbe]

@@tony.s4049 what part of it do you think it was a lie? and if you think it was all lies, what do you think the alternate view or reality is? Please I would love to hear your explanation

[@radwanabu-issa4350]

@@tony.s4049 Exactly the truth your ears hate to hear!

[@athene_noctua.]

большое спасибо, прекрасная лекция. с уважением из России

[@dakhilaf]

AlJallad is always an interesting listen so thank you Mr. Muhanna for bringing him on. I hope i can get to meet him someday i find the ancient history of Arabs extremely fascinating.

[@yaqov]

ممتاز وشكرا

[@ajsuflena156]

I’m so excited for this

[@shakirabrayer3399]

Fabulous thanks

[@evodevo420]

This is sooooo cool

[@DM5550Z]

Very bright man, cool interview!

[@luxaeterna2002]

Will the transcript (and an article, even better 😉) be available later?

[@centi50s]

AI is your best friend make use of it

[@radwanabu-issa4350]

I agree that referring to the "Afro-Asian language family" as Semitic is incorrect and should be discontinued, even though the term has been in use for decades. The Bible is not a reliable source in any shape or form and is fundamentally flawed in this context. Much of history and archaeology has been written by Western scholars who relied on the Bible as the most authentic historical source, thereby distorting significant parts of history to fit a Euro-Christian-centric worldview (with some notable exceptions). I hope that a new generation of scholars from across the globe, particularly from the descendants of great ancient cultures, will rewrite history as accurately as possible and correct the significant damage caused by Euro-Christian biases. The best approach is not through direct confrontation but by providing clear, scientific corrections, even with all the challenges this entails.

[@jeremias-serus]

To be clear, nothing in this video contradicts the Western European academic schools of linguistics. In fact, Ahmad is firmly within this tradition and simply builds onto it.

[@Aladin-r8t]

@radwanabu-issa4350 there's no "Afro" language...they are dialects...a Language must be written..

[@zdhim2714]

​@@jeremias-serusYes but we are talking about pre-modern european naming conventions

[@arabos4239]

I don’t think anyone said that afro-asiatic language family being referred to as semitic… The Semitic languages belong to the afro-asiatic family, and not the opposite.

[@zsabrinskirawonovich798]

minute 17 to 17:25, there is truncation, prof Ahmad was going to say something about Thamudic B script but ended abruptly. What happened?

[@pocophone2010]

Arabic preserved more Semitic mother language than Hebrew and Aramaic

[@kobikaicalev175]

That's the opposite of what Pr Al Jallad right states here, your statement falls into the direction of the "non falsifiable" claims... Arabic is quite innovative, the negation example he gives is quite good. each of the Semitic branches retain something, and innovatives somewhere else

[@claudiageisser2416]

Soooooo...How can my Yemeni son-in-law understand this? Are there Arabic subs? I love this lecture!

[@Microplastics2]

if you open the video on a laptop, and click on the button labelled 'cc' and then go to the menu and choose to auto-translate it to arabic, you will get arabic subtitles, they are not 100% accurate, but for this particular video they are very good and like 95% accurate (from what i've verified)!

[@Aladin-r8t]

I expected hearing about their common ABJAD structure.

[@darrenjurme7231]

Will the conference in Qatar be accessible virtually? 🙏🏼

[@afikra]

Not fully but we will publish segments here and on the podcast :-) Stay tuned!

[@nadera1830]

Thinking about languages ​​in the West is influenced by Aristotle and Darwin. Languages ​​should not be thought of in an Aristotelian hierarchical way, as if languages ​​were lineages, nor in the way of Darwin and biological evolution, as if languages were biological organisms evolving. All of these methods fall under a confirmation bias by forming assumptions in the mind and then project them on the reality of a language and its history. The closest statement to the truth, I believe, when following the facts is to say the emergence of the Arabic language occurred through a long process we call “spontaneous selection and election” for centuries from multiple Semitic dialects, from dialects of the north in the Levant and mesopotamia to the ones in the south in Yemen, Oman and Ethiopia. This process reached to a rich stage when Mecca became the mother of villages when it started to celebrate polytheistic pan-Arab festivals that brought together the Arabs from all areas, especially the Ukaz Festival, which played a role in the standardization of the Arabic poetic forms. In those festivals, the Arabs competed to win the title of the most poetic man of the Arabs. Our evidence for this is that the Arabic language is the richest of the Semitic languages ​​in verb morphological forms, and it has characteristics that it shares with the Mesopotamian and Levantine dialects that we do not find in the southern dialects, such as: Dt stem, and other characteristics that it shares with the Yemeni and Ethiopian dialects, such as: L-Stem that we do not find in the Mesopotamian and Levantine languages. It is clear that the Arabic language combined the characteristics of the northern and southern dialects, and it cannot be said that it descended from one of them because we find characteristics and features that unite these dialects, nor that it evolved from a language because we find evidence to the contrary, so all that remains is to say that the Arabic language was a product of long term selection and election, and the major factors which played a role in this process are: The movement and migration of Bedouins, trade of Hijazis between the north and the south, holding Pan-Arab festivals that bring together all Arabs and their different dialects and making the Hijazi dialect the standard for the richness of the interaction of its merchants and Bedouins with the north and the south, and the Arabic language was completed with the revelation of the Qur’an.

[@Ecotechnologist]

Historical Linguistics is already a scientific field that does see languages as pseudo biological entities

[@pheeel17]

Leave the linguistics analysis to the experts, and not your folk tales.

[@nadera1830]

@@pheeel17 leave commenting on things you don't understand.

[@ApostateAIaddin]

@@nadera1830 How do we know such festivals occurred at Mecca?

[@nadera1830]

@@ApostateAIaddin we know this from scattered Arabic sources in many works (not necessarily the work of Ibn al-Kalbi in the Book of Idols), and from cultural studies of the Arabs in terms of language, poetry types, and oral heritage (this is a blind spot that al-Jallad and other researchers do not take into account), for example: considering the genre of poetry of Muhawarah "dialog" today among the Arabs in the Hijaz, which is considered improvised competitive poetry between tribes performed in certain celebrations, it is clear that its origins go back to the Ukaz festival in which poetry competitions were held and poets from different villages or tribes won annually (compare this competitive festivals in the ancient festivals of Egypt, the Levant, and Greece such as Olympia and others in which competitive poetry festivals were held). An example of competitive poetry of Mohawarah in Hijaz today: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGPaeGSen5Z1Y8ksi=vtE10nz2hDpvaNzw An example of competitive poetry of dialogue in Palestine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n52UY4yop8yoq6Msi=9MhacOVobGTPBh9g On the other hand, its well known and documented in Arab sources that Arabic language standardized in that period, but not well researched, there were many festivals across the Arabian peninsula, but the ones around Mecca were special because they were not local festivals like the others but Pan-Arab festivals, meaning all Arabs must came to them because they were held in the months of peace between them, some of those Pan-Arab festivals are: -Mojnah -'ukaz -du almajaz - Meccah Now imagine that Arabs who came with their different dialects to those Pan-Arab major festivals, the interaction and poetry standardized their different dialects to one over time. Thats why I think Arabic became the richest sematic language in terms of roots, morphology, and characteristics of south and north sematic languages. Edit: we know also those festivals occurred because the prophet Muhammad used to attend them to call Arabs to Islam, read the sirah you will know the festival names, after Islam prevail, it put an end to those polytheic festivals.

[@qmanagement6002]

Any other eialect besides lebanese that you could possibly classify as a sister language to modern arabic ? Very interesting, never knew that beforr about Huwe(h) ve Huwa but it makes complete sense

[@ahmad_alhallak]

Applying the same method I think all dialects outside of the dialects of the heartland of the Arabian peninsula can be classified as such, usage of "HoWeh" for the word Him in the Lebanese dialect also exists in a lot of other Levantine dialects, additionally in northern Syria many dialects use "KoWahh" for the word There which I don't think descends from Arabic, Yemeni dialects certainly have features from South Arabian, Egyptian likely has some Coptic features and Maghreb dialects most certainly have a lot of Tamazight features Personally, I don't think having such minor external features warrants such drastic rearrangement of the Semitic languages tree

[@GOODdeels]

All Arabic dialects. He just used Beiruti Lebanese as an example, and later mentioned the dialects of Souther Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Oman as other examples of languages that are further distant than Standard Arabic. The point is, Standard Arabic itself is a variety of Arabic, one that wasn't spoken in day to day life, and it descends from an older Arabic variety, the same way as Arabic dialects.

[@muhammadbenjuraij7734]

What matters is Arabic is fully preserved and because of the Quran, Hadith, the Sharia and connected sciences it is a fully preserved living language. Despite the spread of slang colloquial the classical language is preserved in MSA. I can pick up a book written 1300 years ago and understand it because the words and grammar are exactly the same and the dictionaries like lisaanul Arab are still the authorities on Arabic and Arabic will remain preserved…

[@aladdinbinschamar2442]

10:59 Bro haven't heard yet of "بيدش، مش عاوز، مودي، ماريد، ما ابي، الخ" xD btw I know he knows

[@alimirzabeg]

There's the Divine Speech Arabic n then there are spoken sounds of the Arabian lands

[@gk-qf9hv]

You want to tell me that "shifto Barratt echchibek" is arabic?😃

[@priestchatback]

Darast l lahjeh l lbnenieh tlet sneen bas Tla3t ma be7ke 3arabi. Ta3llemt lu3’a tanieh. Oh well. C’est la vie.

[@jafroni6479]

شفت = شاف يشوف ـه = ضمير براة = بَرًّا الشباك فصيحة

[@gk-qf9hv]

@@jafroni6479 دوش يدوش تدويشا عربي فصيح يا فصيح ؟ 😂

[@GOODdeels]

شفته برى الشباك is 100% English.

[@talksmoke1190]

Wow, can anyone tell the truth, arabic started around 8th century bc and written around 400bc.

[@victoremman4639]

Etymology of semitic languages, this is what I'm investigating on. Arabic has a particularity front aramaic and hebrew, the abjad : the hebrew ז is ذ or ز ; the ט is ظ or ط ; the א is ء or ى ; the ' is ء or ي ; the ח is خ or ح ; the צ is ض or ص ; the ע is ع or غ ; the ס is س and the ש is also س or ش (hebrew grammar anomalie). Thus, the arabic is the refined semitic language, because each arabic letter carries a meaning, example ع means Seen Percieve and غ unseen, covered. We see opposite meaning, so we can't confuse عرب and غرب while hebrew carries both meaning in ערב (night and arab).

[@Al-Azdi]

Arabic is the oldest Semitic language in speech, but it’s one of the most latest in writing. Search about the Thamudic and Musnad/Sabaic Writing method, both of the two writing systems are very old and it’s 180% different(in Writing) but it’s the same in speech.

[@victoremman4639]

@@Al-Azdi Agree, and if it's the oldest semitic language spoken, so it's the oldest human language, but a precision: arabic had kept, preserved the oldest features in pronunciation, but also semantic ones. In my list above, I forgot the ש could be the arabic س or ش OR ث.

[@parkerflop]

He's not actually contradicting the islamic jahiliyyah narrative though he imagines he is and is certainly trying to. He's admitting, it appears, the inscriptions numerically drop hundreds of years before islam, the letters weren't decide, dialects were all over the place, etc the islamic narrative is merely that during the seerah, the majority of the peninsula was illiterate he admits this vanishes around 4th century ad, one script survives, apparently few inscriptions from then on (and it's likely most arabs by then couldnt read the outdated inscriptions which used different letters) that actually proves the traditional muslim narrative is correct. haters burn

[@pheeel17]

He's not out to prove or disprove anything. That's just your religious sensitivities making you interpret him in an overly defensive manner. The main focus of his research, Safaitic, doesn't even have much to do with Islam as those inscriptions are centuries before. In regards to the Paleoarabic inscriptions, the only thing they challenge would be books like Ibn al kalbi's Book of Idols, and any other aspects of the tradition that paint Muhammad's immediate environment as primarily polytheistic. Based on the epigraphic evidence, it seems the way were largely monotheistic already, or at least some flavor of. But I agree with you, and so would Al-Jallad, that this is consistent with the Quran. Orientalist scholars had already long pointed out that the immediate audience had to already be familiar with biblical stories, so it makes perfect sense they were already followed a variety of judeo-christian monotheism. I don't know why you think Al-Jallad gets off on overturning islamic tradition. After all, do you know any Muslim whose faith rides on the veracity of ibn al kalbi's Book of Idols? I sure don't. So it's irrelevant. If he was trying to be controversial and edgy, then he'd try to overturn the Quran right?

[@ApostateAIaddin]

The traditional Muslim narrative is that polytheist pagans existed and were widespread in 7th century Arabia, is it not? Ahmed Al Jallad nor any other respected academic in this field would say this is true.

[@moroccandeepweb5880]

Pre-Islamic Arabia wasn't unknown to Muslims. Muslims have recorded a lot of Pre-Islamic poetry and prose for the very purpose of better understanding the Revelation for they think their Arabic was superior to theirs. That's why Muslims have always insisted on memorizing some of pre-Islamic poetry and that's why we still learn it in school today.

[@AJ-pc9gu]

@@pheeel17 You're saying the Qur'an says that Arabia was monotheistic already? What.

[@qmanagement6002]

​@@AJ-pc9gua part of them were, it repeatedly mentions Jews, Christians ,sabians, the pagans were only one of the group's you encounter

[@web3982]

Going, and going in circles. Weird to say the least!

[@SerrvantX]

Yemenis always say it started in Yemen. But I think the Arab race began there but the language idk.

[@ME-yp7fn]

مجرد عرض استشراقي لتاريخ العربية ولماذا التحدث بالانجليزية في موضوع اللغة العربية فالافضل هو التحدث بالعربية ثم تركيب الترجمة النصية علي الكلام, احمد الجلاد هو مجرد مستشرق ودرس علي مناهج الغرب فهو لا يعرف من العربية سوي السطح واتحدي اذا كان له قدرة علي فهم كتاب الكتاب لسيبويه او الخصائص لابن جني وغيرهم من فحول العرب والعربية, مشكلة المنهج الاستشراقي انه منهج تحليلي يهتم بوصف الظاهرة امامه واعادة تسمية الاشياء لتناسب منهجيته الوصفية دون العلم والغوص فيما يسميه علماء الاسلام بعلم الدراية, فالحقيقة في المنهج الغربي ليست ما يطابق الواقع ولكن ما يتفق مع الفرضيات التي فرضوها وتلك الفرضيات يحكمها نظرتهم الالحادية للعالم والانسان,

[@pheeel17]

The man is an epigraphist. He studies writing on rocks from pre-Islamic times, so we're talking anywhere from possibly 2000 BC up to the 7th century. What does Sibawayh have to do with any of that?

[@jafroni6479]

طيب مبين مو فاهم معنى مستشرق والجلاد بيمسح معظم اللغوين بالأرض وأساسا شغله بالكتابات الصفاوية يلي سبقت الأسلام بستماية سنة هو مسلم وما أنكر شيء مما جاء به العلماء إلا كتاب الأصنام للكلبي ولا يتعلق هذا بالعقيدة فلا بأس في الحيد عن قوله ولا بتصحيحه بالجملة أنت زعلان عالفاضي

[@gk-qf9hv]

Ahmad is mislead by the fact that he knows classical Arabic (wich is completely different from modern arabic dialects). Like when he reads "Natharto" for example. No one today will end a verb with an "O" (dammeh ضمة). And the inscription does not have a tanwin (ضمة) And actually the verb nathara is not used in dialects. Also the Hamza did not exist at the time. He is reading it the same way a religious person will read the old Quran manuscripts! I get that the layman will get impressed by his good American accent, and his overdriven classical Arabic "accent". But we should look beyond those superficial "fasades"

[@MohamedShou]

Interesting but unfortunately most people in earth have no clue about Arabic language and the ones that do know Arabic language always mistake classical, modern and dialect Arabic

[@tabushanan]

I'm not sure where he says this, since he clearly mentions that the Arabic spoken by contemporary Arabs in formal contexts omits case endings.

[@gk-qf9hv]

@@tabushanan did you listen to the podcast?!

[@tabushanan]

​@@gk-qf9hv I did, unless I misheard something. Would you link to the timestamp of the point you were arguing against?

[@aladdinbinschamar2442]

Bro taking about the scientific criterion as like yo everyone knows

[@bahardavary656]

Who choses the name Jallad?

[@fadyalqaisy]

In Palestine it is just the Arabization of the French name Le Gèlat, they are remnants of the crusades, some remained Catholic and some converted to islam. Many families in Palestine trace their roots in Western Europe

[@DigitalWaqf]

@@fadyalqaisyany reference for this, and any other names that signify this western european origin ?

[@fadyalqaisy]

@@DigitalWaqf yup, wikipedia google, it is no secret. Many Palestinian families have Western Europeean last names Daghlas= Douglas Kokash= Koksch/Cox Al Bardaweel= Bardwell Esbanyoli= Espanioli Rosso = Russo Gallad = le Gelat Al Almany= From Allemania, Germany Al Malti = the Maltese Al Sikelly = From Sicily Al Frengi= the Frank/French

[@AitanaMartin-mj7km]

Very interesting thanks so much for shering this ​@@fadyalqaisy

[@gk-qf9hv]

1- Laysa (ليس) is derived from Aramaic, and is not an Arabic "oddity". 2- How would we know that tanwin existed before the invention of Tashkil (in the Abbasid era)? 3- what modern arabic dialekt uses Tanwin?!

[@tabushanan]

1. As far as I know, Aramaic & Arabic are not genetically that close for this to be the case. Also, the oddity he's referring to is the complex & asymmetrical negation system that is demonstrably absent in other Semitic languages. As for 2 & 3, here are some quotes from Al-Jallad's "A Manual of the Historical Grammar of Arabic": 2. "One of the common linguistic features uniting the Old Arabic sources is the absence of nunation, tanwīn. This feature, so characteristic of Classical Arabic, is attested first in the corpus of rhymed and metered poems attributed to the pre-Islamic period by Muslim scholars. Tanwīn is an ancient feature (see 2.3.1), cognate with mimation in Akkadian and Ancient South Arabian, although its realization with a n seems to be unique to Arabic." 3. "In most modern Arabic vernaculars, case and nunation have disappeared entirely, save for loans from Classical Arabic or other dialects. These languages, nevertheless, appear to descend from a system like the QCT, where only the accusative case of the indefinite declension survived in singular/broken plural nouns."

[@Iamfsaly]

@@gk-qf9hv ليس is not Aramaic than please tell me what’s the Arabic version of ليس

[@moroccandeepweb5880]

@@tabushanan The nunation is still realized in some dialects mainly in Arabia but only in the genetive case (-in)

[@tabushanan]

​@@moroccandeepweb5880 you're definitely right! I'm only aware of its existence in my own dialect (Najdi), but it's probably an areal feature since it seems that Najdi has features that don't exist in Classical Arabic.

[@KellieEverts-ss8uz]

It's Holy... Alhamdillah 0:16

[@redindianaztec6768]

😂😂😂😂😂 Muslims just want some lie to justify their Shit ideology

[@Aladin-r8t]

"Semitic" is a term invented by Schloßer, a German Protestant priest, during the 19th...he had no Linguistic background. Leibniz who was a linguistic scholar, called them ARABIC LANGUAGES, because they are all based on the Arabic ABJAD.

[@fatosshubert7272]

Linguistics is not historical.

[@ChristopherRayMiller]

What on earth is that even supposed to mean? Linguistics is a broad field of study with many subfields studying different aspects of the structure, usage, social features, cognitive interfaces etc. of language, and one of those subfields studies the changes and development of languages, and language in general over time. And historical linguistics is actually the source out of which modern linguistics developed because comparing related languages and reconstructing their common ancestor and the ways each changed away from that original laid the foundation for understanding how the core structure of languages works, and these discoveries were the basis that all of modern linguistics is built on.

[@aladdinbinschamar2442]

Call it Najd and Hejaz pls if you want to be scientifically precise and not use the colonizer's language xD

[@ME-yp7fn]

هو مستشرق ودرس علي مناهج الغرب فهو لا يعرف من العربية سوي السطح واتحدي اذا كان له قدرة علي فهم كتاب الكتاب لسيبويه او الخصائص لابن جني وغيرهم من فحول العرب والعربية, مشكلة المنهج الاستشراقي انه منهج تحليلي يهتم بوصف الظاهرة امامه واعادة تسمية الاشياء لتناسب منهجيته الوصفية دون العلم والغوص فيما يسمي علماء الاسلام بعلم الدراية

[@aladdinbinschamar2442]

@@ME-yp7fn انا بقصد انه السعودية دولة تأسست بمساعدة الاستعمار وانفرضت على المنطقة، واتوقع هوة بعرف يحكي عربي كويس

[@ME-yp7fn]

@@aladdinbinschamar2442 الدولة السعودية الثالثة نعم, فتلك الدولة بدءت في القرن العشرين وهي صنيعة الاستعمار مئة في المئة, اما الدولة السعودية الاولي والثانية فلا اعتقد

[@aladdinbinschamar2442]

@@ME-yp7fn المشكلة انه للأسف الدولة العربية حاليا قمعية فصعب الواحد يعمل دراسات تاريخية في المنطقة، ك جرائم ال سعود، غير انه في كثير قبائل في الجزيرة العربية، فلا أرى انه اسم المنطقة السعودية مناسب، ويجب عزل ال سعود، وحقيق نوع من انواع الديمقراطية التي تحمي حق الافراد واستقلايية عن أمريكا واي دولة استعمارية وعاشت الثورة عاشت الثورة، الموت لاسرتئيل الموت لاسرتئيل

[@CalimConcept]

Dear, there are few fatal mistakes. You might need to study languages sounded Arabia to reach a better solution. Ask me and I will tell you!

[@jma7600]

Arabic is a relatively new language. Allah chose an illiterate Arab who couldn’t differentiate between spoken Arabic and the written Aramaic script. The rest of the world will wait centuries before classical written Arabic begin to morph. To this day the Quran holds many Aramaic words still written in their original Aramaic form like Salot, صلوت Zakot, زكوت Haywat حيوة etc… instead of Salat, Zakat, Hayat.

[@fatosshubert7272]

What word salad!

[@Solemn_G]

The Nabataens are probably nomads from Southern Arabia (likely Qahtani Arabs) who migrated North and settled. They became literate through interaction with civilizations in the Levant and adopted the Aramaic Alphabet for their language which became the foundation for later Arabic and probably spread from there to the Hijaz

[@ibrohimh9976]

Stop using the Judeo-Christian term Semitic

[@saadhamid6226]

I hear a pathetic orientalist deformation of history ( as I did many times before from Jallad and his western dictators). First, the term " Semitic" is not a historical term nor is it founded in any objective scientific research. It is rather a biblical genealogy term that has nothing to do with the reality and progress of languages and people in Arabia and the fertile crescent. This fallacious genealogy of peoples and their languages defies the effective real history of people and their languages in the region. It purports a high patriarch "Shem" ( Sam) that encompasses all the peoples of the region with a shared photo-language as such. The reality of historical and linguistic record show two main streak of ancient languages in the region distinct in their number of alphabets, phonetic sounds and script. The more ancient one ( from the second millennium BCE) is made of 29 characters and it written in two forms of script' cuneiform in Mesopotamia and Ugarit and early Canaani andThamoudic Musnad scrpit, The second and latter one is made of 24 letters only and emerged at earliest in first millennium BCE which is Aramaic written in cuneiform in Mesopotamia and Canaani adapted script termed by historians as Aramaic. Classical Arabic shares all features and characteristics of the older linguistic lines discussed above. It retained the same 29 characters and was written in the Mussnad ( Thamoudic scrpit). All ancient Yemeni ( so called languages by orientalist historians) are intelligible to classical Arabic hold many similar characteristics with it and more importantly have identical root and derivation morphs. The orientalist fallacious tradition ( that Jallad ascribes to as we was so dictated) holds that Arabic as a linguistic phenomenon appeared in the first Millennium BCE depicted in Aramaic derived script and holds that all Thamoudic script ( and all related other inscriptions as Safaitic) are different languages than Arabic based on nonsense arguments that only shows lack of adequate knowledge in Arabic. So any cognates in Thamoudic / Safaitic / Saba'ic that are not used in current Arabic are termed to be different cognates although well documented in classical Arabic ( weather in ancient pre - Islamic poetry or in classical old Arabic dictionaries i.e Lassan Al-Arab or Moujam Al-A'yn). The same applies to grammatical rules were it seems that his alien and shallow knowledge of simplified Arabic ( grammar for elementary students) rules his ( and his orientalist ignorant tutors ) determination of Arabic grammar. Hence, they declared that these Thamoudic texts are not Arabic and they base Arabic on Aramaic instead. when someone who's name is Julian or Simon etc. makes this flagrant error one would say that their detachment of Arabic and their merger knowledge thereof my explain ( not excuse ) the mistake . But here we have ignorance and distortion impregnating an Arab immigrant to US Salt Lake city who allows his lack of knowledge to input his depiction of his ancestral language. What a shame, go study real Arabic as genuine real Arab scholar would, and then read ancient Ugaritic and Thamoudic texts anew and you will discover that you were fed a load of biblical nonsense and that Arabic your " ethnic" mother tongue did you no harm so stop doing it harm.

[@boxerfencer]

Learn to write in paragraphs

[@saadhamid6226]

@@boxerfencer learn to read paragraphs

[@boxerfencer]

@@saadhamid6226 you're assuming what you wrote is a paragraph. Run on ideas smashed together don't make a paragraph, just because it has the esthetic of one and you decide to call it that.

[@saadhamid6226]

@@boxerfencer Hahahaha.... Another idiot rambling. It seems that Mickey mouse cartoons and its offsprings made fools of you. Are these tidy enough paragraphs for your thick mind to read ?? Or maybe some emojies to embellish ??

[@Undoublethinkful]

1. Linguists do not group Semitic languages together because of a story about a biblical patriarch, they group them together because they share a set of features that all other languages lack, suggesting a common origin. 2. Languages are distinct from scripts. Scripts do not always perfectly represent the sounds of a language. Varieties of Arabic were written in both script families you mention, in different places at different times. But it was the Nabatean *script*, derived from Aramaic *script*, that ultimately became what people now know as Arabic *script*. It did not have enough letters to distinguish all of the Arabic consonants so it was eventually adapted mainly by adding dots. Al-Jallad never said that Arabic was not written in the other scripts. He even talks about such inscriptions and recites some from memory in this very video. So I'm not sure where you even got the idea that he thinks Arabic is "based on Aramaic". The SCRIPT is based on Aramaic. The language is a different story, which you'll only ever figure out if you pay better attention.

[@SamAlQattan-p2h]

Oh, it's Nabatean now is it?

[@pheeel17]

The Arabic script evolved from the Nabataean Aramaic script, yes.

[@SamAlQattan-p2h]

@@pheeel17 sure, jan.

[@saadhamid6226]

According to what historical phonetic evidence do read the letter Jeem (ج) in the inscription as a "Ga" sound ?? basing Arabic phonetics and distorting it to conform with Hebrew phonetics??!!!

[@NK-vd8xi]

We know it was from coins written during the Rashidun times, which wrote Arabic with Greek letters. They used Gamma for ģim. Omani and Egyptians use gim as well. The Sudani one is also a palatalised G.

[@saadhamid6226]

@@NK-vd8xi And is their any letter in Greek to dipict the sound J as in jeem ?? You really are excelling in arrogant ignorance. Do you know at all of Al-farahidi's linguistic and particularly phonetic illustration of Arabic pronunciation along with its anatomic graph showing each letter's source and vocal organ ( early 2nd Higri) followed by his student Sibawiah's elaborate work. Or you only choose to determine alien rules discarding clear and unequivocal Arabic rules. Your either intentionally sabotaging information or you simply allow ignorance to drive to sabotage knowledge . If you stated this argument against proven facts as stated in any other case you would not pass the class. And you shan't pass this one either. Go learn elementary sound Arabic before you make fools of your selfs...

[@tabushanan]

Not sure why you specifically singled out Hebrew, even though in all Semitic languages Gimel is pronounced with a hard-G sound. Nonetheless, if the Arabic Jeem existed in the language Arabic descended from (I assume you take this to be non-controversial), then how do you explain its absence from other languages? Unless, of course, you assume that the inscription he's vocalizing & which is dated more than almost 2000 years before the Quran should be pronounced the same way!

[@saadhamid6226]

@@tabushanan I use Hebrew because I know the depiction and its sickness very well. All western frenzy with ancient Middle eastern languages was and still is infested with Biblical attitudes and methodologies. Up until the late seventies of the past century Hebrew was forced as a model language to gauge and study ancient languages stemming from a belief ( assumption) that according to Bible it is the oldest. Although this idiocy is now being masked, yet the entire flawed epistemology persists under the banner of Aramaec precedence. The letter ج and its pronunciation as Jeem needs as in any other language to be attested in its own to establish it self if I am addressing a geniun linguist. The question is and should have been to any objective scientific enquiry is whether this particular character Jeem was unequivocally attested in Arabic phonetic logs?? and it was in all Arab linguists and philologists cataloging the traits of Arabic in 2nd Hijra . If you have an argument that contradicts what Arab learned scholars have stated and illustrated as the standard spelling of a character and against continued classical Arabic spelling ( not colloquial) stemming from the same language lets hear it. Yet you do not have such an argument so we will continue to hear ignorance uttered by people masquerading in pseudo knowledge guise.

[@aladdinbinschamar2442]

Stop quoting Wittgenstein randomly 🥱

[@MacrobianNomad]

One theory on the use of Aramaic by the Nabataeans is that it was due to the ruling classes enforcing it with it being a lingua franca in the Levant at the time. Great interview, always fascinating to hear Dr Ahmad al-Jallad as always. Thank you!