When did Elizabeth Afton die? | FNAF Theory

[@thedarkdevil1661]

1. CC/Dave = Spring/Summer 1983 2. Charlie = Halloween 1983. (William's Henry "hate boner" is boosted from the bite of '83, so he decides to kill Charlie.) 3. Elizabeth = January 7th 1985 (William sees the Puppet acting Weird + possibly possessed so he tries to "Recreate the accident" 1:56) based on "1.5.7.8" ambience in SL. 4. MCI June 1985 ("Fine. I'll do it myself") 5. DCI November 1st-7th 1987 (How do i trigger the MCI spirits to activate??/What's the proximity for possession? Do they need to be NEAR/In the suits, or can i just kill them anywhere??) I believe the funtimes are then used to kidnap kids, like in TFC with Baby kidnapping kids. He then puts them in the Nightmare experiments to put them in a state of fear. And then he kills them and makes them possess the Funtimes. Technically trying replicate CC's death, having a sense of extreme fear before dying. (Wrote this before I got to 3:00 😆) And yes, i dont believe MoltenMCI (due to the order of events in the books), however i do believe, while Mike is a flesh puppet, William decides to use the MCI kids as replacements for his missing funtime remnant. But before he can take them back, as per the books when he attempts to kill one of the kidnapped kids, the MCI kids attack him, and William "dies"

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

Charlie dies first

[@thedarkdevil1661]

​​​​​@@KirbyFan-h9yI believe Charlie dies in 1982, in the novels, because of William's only kid being Elizabeth (the brat), which results in him acting faster. But in the games, he needs a trigger, due to having a good family. And, same as the games but with no trigger, the movie has him only act in 1987. In all cases though, it's his hatred for Henry overflowing that triggers it. Rubbish family? He focuses on his hatred for Henry, and acts on it in 1982. Has a good family and lost a kid? He focuses on his hatred for Henry, and acts on it in 1983. Has a good family, but is left for enough years to dwell on his hatred for Henry? He eventually acts on it in 1987.

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

@@thedarkdevil1661 uh no he doesn’t need a trigger In the novel Dave and mike don’t exist and he still kills her this show he killed her without any reason annd the same applies to the games William does not care about his kids. He kills Charlie because he doesn’t like Henry/he doesn’t like how perfect Henry’s life is Also the week before and into the pit imo confirm Bv in 2nd because his death is public knowledge people actually witness him die The week before mentions that people were getting mad at the bullies and an employee told them to stop Into the pit, a game in the past has the announcer say “ please do not put any kids head in the animatronics …again” Bv death is what gets FredBear shut down so Charlie has to die before him

[@papertigerbrigade5496]

Bro is cooking!! I'm not attached to Charlie or BV/Dave dying first but I could see Fazbear inc "tanking" Dave's death and introducing the security puppets as an (ineffective) anti-bullying mechanism to soothe parents. But then after the other founder's kid is murdered any remaining trust was shattered and they had to close Fredbear's leading to an opening in the market for Circus Baby's Pizza World

[@thedarkdevil1661]

@@KirbyFan-h9y THAT is what I said. Novel William only having Elizabeth results in him focusing on his hatred for Henry more (his hatred, to near worship, to dissing on Henry's "Perfect life with a Perfect Family"), hence Charlie dies on Halloween 1982. Game William is the one with the perfect Family, meaning he has LESS reasons to focus on his hatred for Henry. William starts focusing on his hatred for Henry due to the backlash of the bite of '83. I see it more as "Henry's creation...No, Henry destroyed our business with that incident. He needs to pay". Resulting in Charlie's death a few months later on Halloween 1983. As for the movie... I think William has COMPLETE ownership of the company, as it's said there's only ONE owner of Freddy's. But William still hates Henry, who is working in the background, as we see in the advert. This then boils over in 1987, resulting in William taking Garrett. As we see, it DOESN'T matter when it happens. Sometimes it's natural, sometimes it's a specific event... But William's hatred for Henry ALWAYS reaches a boiling point, resulting in William's FIRST criminal act.

[@b4tman_and_Rob1n]

0:52 "killing kids by hand" is the funniest/ most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. These smaller FNAF channel are always so witty. Nice video!

[@Prince_Zero-10]

Oh hey a new fnaf youtuber to add to my collection! But yeah great video. I've always supported the conclusion Lizzy dies before the mci. It's the only real option that makes sense from both a timeline and narrative perspective to me. William loses his son which leads to him making the funtimes/Baby to let him nab one kid to test out reviving the dead then post-Elizabeth he refuses to take any more risks as he still has one he's yet to lose and just commits the mci himself. I also find it fittingly creepy how William's goal quickly switches from "I just need one," to "I only need 5," it's a sick and twisted justification he uses to further his descent from at least somewhat good to commiting evil. It also adds further evidence to the belief William cared about his children, unlike what 99% of the community believes. I'll always say this but the og novels, the movie, and even fright's point is to allow Scott to tell a different story than the games. He has said so himself. Ah sorry for the Willcare/greif rant. But I'm looking forward to the next video! I just subscribed!

[@Glitchxiety]

William absolutely did not care for his kids and his motives were never to revive his family. He only used them to further his own goals. Scott has also said to use the books to fill in the blanks to the past.

[@Prince_Zero-10]

​​@@Glitchxiety Alright, could've worded your opinion nicer but still a valid belief. I don't mind disagreeing with ppl. But I do want to support my own beliefs. And Scott's quote about the books only applies to Fazbear's Frights not the og Novel Trilogy. Scott has explicitly stated not to use it, more specifically TSE when it was released. Dave, Fright-Liam (Fazbear's Fright William), and Steve from the movie all have or say things to opposite themselves away from their supposed counterpart in the games. G. Liam: "You may not recognize me at first, but I assure you it's still me." Fright-Liam: "I am AGONY!: Dave: "I am Springtrap!" In the games William strangely clings to his humanity, or rather his human identity. He never adresses himself as anything other than who he is. While the others just embrace the evil they've become. The only real "evidence" of Game William disliking his own children is IF you believe he's the abusive Yellow Guy in MM which is unfortunately still not fully confirmed. Otherwise William's goal in the game does always revolve around his children. Michael nearly confirms this in sister location. Why set up robotic children's heads in SL if not revive his children? Regardless of if you believe he truly loved or cared about them, he still viewed them as important. 1983 is refrenced again and again in the games, likely bc that's his motivation. And the idea William was always pure evil frkm the start is practically nonsense considering Mike and Charlie. Ucn Puppet: "I don't hate you, but you need to stay out of my way.: Novel Charlie actively hates Dave and even kills him, Game Charlie is more neutral to William. And that is completely unexplainable unless she understands why he's like this. It jist does not make sense, heck none of the games make sense if you try to make William 1 to 1 with his counterparts. Anyways, like I said, happy to be a new sub see you next video.

[@Wizardjones69]

Pre mci January 7th, 1985

[@Takejiro24]

Someone remind me: why did William already create Baby as a murder machine in the novels if Elizabeth's death was supposed to be the origin of him murdering to understand possession?

[@AbsolXGuardian]

The order of events is actually different in the trilogy. William kills Charlie, but then Charlie shows up later, seemingly alive (in the body of Ella). At some point, William steals Henry's final Charlie robot, her adult form. That's Baby. He's studying her when Elizabeth gets too close in the workshop and is killed by her, in an unclear way (because she's full of Henry's rage). Baby absorbs her Remenant and has the memory of both girls. Circus Baby's design is also an illusion disc appearance over her more realistically proportioned body. Circus Baby's Pizza World isn't opened until the late 90s, as a front for a second unspringtrapped William to kidnap children for experimental purposes.

[@Takejiro24]

@AbsolXGuardian Ah ok. So, Baby/adult Charlie already had murder mechanics in her (the graphic novel showed her with both a claw and a grinder? when she killed Elizabeth) by Henry or did William give those to her? Or, are those inaccurate details exclusive to the graphic novels?

[@AbsolXGuardian]

@@Takejiro24 Oh I haven't read the graphic novels, just the og books. They make some weird design decisions, like depicting what's obviously this timeline's molten Freddy as all four animatronic heads crudely grafted to one humanoid body, completely contradicting the description given in the book

[@Glitchxiety]

In the novel, William kills Charlie out of hatred and jealousy of Henry. Because of this Henry pored his grief into the Ella doll and from there he created the Charlie bots. William caught onto this and was curious as to how Henry was able to bring create life this way and stole the 4th Charlie bot (Baby) to study. He modified her to be able to kidnap kids for I would assume, testing and as a result, Elizabeth was caught by accident leading to his discovery of possession.

[@Takejiro24]

@@Glitchxiety So, he made Baby as a murder/kidnapping machine before he even knew about possession?

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

Andrew boys we are so cooked if flaf has golden Freddy and the character bio says something like “ this bear is a very mysterious he seem to be a golden version of freddy but unlike Freddy his vengefulness is unmatched and he’ll do anything to get what he wants”

[@Glitchxiety]

STOP

[@Wizardjones69]

Thats Literally merch which contradicts normal gf merch

[@Afton-ph9uw]

Here is my personal Fnaf death order Charlie 1983 Dave 1983 Elizabeth 1985 MCI+Andrew 1985 DCI Something kinda random but.. I hate to say it, but Charlie dying before CC is starting to become a lot more convincing for me. One guy, forgot his name, but he is actually the only person that makes MM BV runaway convincing for me. Basically he said something like Shadow Freddy broke his window and took him to Freddy’s where Charlie’s dead body is at and he saw the Puppet over her body and since CC saw Puppet over Charlies body and Shadow Freddy took CC out his room, it would explain why he’s always so scared. Lefty is supposed represent Shadow Freddy (probably) since Lefty is black and dark like Shadow Freddy. Also Nightmare is basically Nightmare Shadow Freddy and since Nightmarrionne takes Nightmares place in Halloween DLC, that should hint towards the Puppet and Shadow Freddy somehow being connected. There’s also that whole voice line that said, “a wound first inflicted on me” so that’s even more evidence of Charlie dying first. Some people could argue that Henry is only mentioning Aftons victims and Charlie being his first but remember what he said, “a WOUND first inflicted on HIM” if CC was first to die, then that wound would first be inflicted on Michael, not Henry. So I hate how I believe Charlie died before CC but that’s part of Fnaf, sometimes the story might not go where you like it to go. Ik this video was focused on Elizabeth and not Charlie but I wanted to get this off of my chest, this comment was also kinda rushed, but I will answer any questions if you have them!

[@I_Pizza]

Imo, I think if we were meant to take that convicted newspaper as being retconned, we probably would’ve had it clarified by now. The main thing I’ve been churning over lately is the hidden scratched off security badge in TWB. I feel like that has to be William’s, and if it is, it seems like he was going undercover before the MCI location even closed, when he would’ve been a public figure. If he can do it then he could definitely do it during FNAF2 and still work as “Mr. Afton” for the company. This also seems to give him leeway to frame someone else if he was the only security guard at the time. Its really tough to say whether William would’ve been widely considered a more likely suspect than whoever was convicted though. But I’m not sure it matters ultimately, FE is in it for the money. They don’t exactly have morals, they kept using animatronics that had dead bodies and blood in them. And if someone else gets convicted, the “cancelled due to leaks” newspaper not mentioning it isn’t really an issue.

[@ryanenzokana3584]

Am I wrong in saying that Charlie could have died during FNAF 4? So sometime when CC is in the comma she's killed so that she can tell CC that she'll put him back together.

[@Glitchxiety]

I don't think the final speaker would be her. She could have been killed when he was in a coma but for me, her being the Fredbear plush in that moment doesn't really make sense as she would be in the puppet and there would be no way she attached to the plush as she doesn't have a connection to it nor did she die near it.

[@KairanFarr]

1. Dave = Late October, 1983 2. Charlie = Halloween, 1983 3. Elizabeth = 7 January, 1985 4. MCI = 26 June, 1985 5. DCI = 1987

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

I switched Charlie and crying child

[@Prince_Zero-10]

Wouldn't it make more sense if C.C was in the summer? Explains why the mci is june 26th and why the dci is also in summer. While the Halloween update exists it's mostky non-cannonical and COD should be post C.C's death, and the purple car in COD can represent MM. ​@@KirbyFan-h9y You believe Charlie dies before C.C??? How? Why?

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@Prince_Zero-10put charlie's death on halloween 1982

[@Prince_Zero-10]

@@Wizardjones69 Okay, I'm sorry if I sound rude. I'm just completely flabbergasted rn. But do ppl actually believe Charlie died before C.C? and a year or more at that? I just don't understand .

[@Wizardjones69]

@Prince_Zero-10 *a wound first inflicted on me, then it bleed out, to cause ALL of this*

[@federicoperazzo9]

Good evidence, good conclusions. Neat video, I 100% agree with everything presented in it

[@Glitchxiety]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

I agree with the video I believe William creates the fun times in order lure and capture kids for the nightmare experiments Elizabeth Dies accidentally as she’s crushed inside baby William find out about this and causes the gas leak which shuts down circus baby William needing a way to explain his daughter’s death uses the spring lock suit and blames it for what happened to Elizabeth only telling the employees Fazbear entertainment decide that the spring locks are too dangerous William take Elizabeth’s body and hide it in the mound/grave in midnight motorist (I believe MM 1987)

[@Glitchxiety]

Thanks. The gas leaks is implied to just be a made up excuse to explain the sudden shut down. I like this idea but not sure if I agree with it. I don't think MM is in 87 as it's heavily implied to be after Charlie's death.

[@fangs111]

how do we know that the unknown springlock site in Circus Baby isnt CIRCUS BABY her self????? How can we hear her voice if not?

[@Glitchxiety]

Because the face plates don’t match hers in the slightest

[@fangs111]

@Glitchxiety kk

[@Wizardjones69]

So, under charlie first: Charlie/halloween 1982 Cc/summer or spring 1983 Elizabeth: january 7th, 1985 Mci/june 26th, 1985 Dci/november 7th, 1987 With cc first: Cc/summer or spring 1983 Charlie/halloween 1983 Elizabeth/january 7th, 1985 Mci/june 26th, 1985 Dci/november 7th, 1987

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

Charlie kinda has to die in 1983 because of the code in VR 2 You have to type 1983 to get the puppet memory

[@Wizardjones69]

@KirbyFan-h9y then Charlie is a dittophobia victim Also, she dies on halloween, cc dies on summer or spring Charlie first doesn't make any sense if she dies on 1983 It only makes sense to she die on 1982

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

@@Wizardjones69 Huh? In the game timeline, none of the novel stuff seems to go down and are very different sense. The puppet actually exist in the game time line in Henry doesn’t KYS. I believe Charlie is first due to world/the week before and into the pit, basically confirming crying child’s death is known to the public So it has to be the thing that shuts down Fredbear Charlie I 100% believe died at Fredbear

[@Wizardjones69]

@KirbyFan-h9y literally on fnaf 4 source code it have 1982 with 1983 and 1987

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

@@Wizardjones69 1982 I believe is showing either 2 1. When Freddy and Fred Bear became two different characters (the purple hat symbolizing that) 2. When FredBear the building first opened (has a replacement of fall fest/the toy factory placed in secret of the mimic)

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

The mci is something that happened, it is NOT a term to constantly use -_-

[@Glitchxiety]

You do realise that most people use it this way right?

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

@@Glitchxietyi know, and it’s mildly annoying. Like it seems no one can come up with something else.

[@I_Pizza]

Wait what? Elizabeth survived being scooped by Baby. Baby just acts like Elizabeth because she’s the Mimic.

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

Ain’t the mimic Henry Charlie bot 💀💀💀

[@yurijaviermenguito9998]

Then what happened to Elizabeth? And why would the mimic exist back in Sister Location without any evidence of its existence? And why would the books narrative be completely different? And why would Henry call Scrap Baby Elizabeth when he knows the most out of everyone at that point? Also, how did she survive being scooped? What?????????

[@I_Pizza]

@@KirbyFan-h9y Yup, we learned that in the canon Novel Trilogy.

[@I_Pizza]

@@yurijaviermenguito9998 Elizabeth survived by escaping through the emergency hatch. She wasn’t relevant to the story after this though, so we never saw her again. Henry forgot Elizabeth was still alive.

[@KirbyFan-h9y]

@@I_Pizzayeah shout out to Charlie and Henry parallel for that I forgot their name

[@orlandosimon7992]

I was always wondering what year did she die?

[@Glitchxiety]

We don't have a definitive year. It's just implied to be before the MCI and imo after Charlie and CC.