When Doctor Who's continuity is on point: Davros

[@richardmattocks]

I loved how they re-imagined Davros with more modern prosthetics but gave him a new hand because he’d lost his original. Another bit of brilliant updating by the 2005+ team.

[@PenneySounds]

If they had just had him with a normal hand, people probably wouldn't have thought anything of it. But they went that extra mile anyway

[@richardmattocks]

@@PenneySounds absolutely... and I’m sure you’ve seen the behind the scenes clips where the new design of Davros was unveiled to the production team… they were all like kids in a sweet shop! Just brilliant 😎

[@PenneySounds]

@@richardmattocks The best thing about it is that it wasn't a new design, it was the old design rendered in a higher degree of detail suitable for an HD show. Quite a contrast from the rebooted Star Trek shows airing now, where they simply chuck out old designs and completely replace them with new ones. One design philosophy is based on respect and reverence for the source material, and the other is based on disdain for the source material.

[@svant3]

@@PenneySounds 💯💯💯

[@nathofmann8169]

@@PenneySounds you see how RTD and his crew care about continuity

[@gferrol118]

4th Doctor: Would you wipe out everything if you had the opportunity? 10th Doctor: I shouldn't have said that. *I should not have said that!*

[@jrs4753]

10: That was a metaphor not an instruction!

[@lloydrivas5677]

12th Doctor: Why does this coming back to haunt me?

[@jreguniverse2203]

7th Doctor: but to wipe out that which wishes to wipe everything? i meeeeean we're just talking here right? like i wouldn't pull the trigger but...again if we're just talkin here if they're evil enough; nothing wrong with a little galaxy scale mouse trap to like...take care of that....just thinking out loud here. 12th Doctor: you disgust me. War Doctor: nah hol up let 'im cook.

[@SchultzDorinda]

You should listen to Terra Firma, because in that Big Finish Audio Davros does exactly what the Doctor Suggested. He even admits that it was the Doctor's idea.

[@HOTD108_]

​@@SchultzDorindaNah I'm good. Journey's End already did that.

[@profblack]

I just realised that Davros’ prosthetic hand retains the overgrown fingernails from his original. I always thought that he just didn’t care enough to trim them but building that into your robot hand is a conscious choice. I guess he just likes his nails being that long.

[@craigmurphy1204]

Guy likes his manicures, I gues

[@kieranfo3739]

Perhaps he had grown so used to his hand being that shape that it was easier to design the prosthetic with long nails than to learn how to operate the controls and buttons of his chair with a new hand shape, he was always extremely paranoid so probably never let anyone close enough to him to trim his nails.

[@Iron_Stigmata]

Material giirlll

[@witchravenna7777]

@@Iron_Stigmata no joke: I was JUST about to say that You beat me to it lol

[@Iron_Stigmata]

@@witchravenna7777 Davros is a girlboss. We're both very correct to think of that reference 😭

[@Enivri]

Davros’ speech about the destruction of reality itself is one of my favourite evil speeches of all time. He is talking about genocide on a multiversal level.

[@ankokuteion1917]

and absolutely revelling in it too. utter gleeful insanity.

[@WackoMcGoose]

It's more than that... He planned to destroy EVERYTHING in ALL parallel universes, other than "this" universe's version of the Dalek Empire, all being sheltered within "this" iteration of the Medusa Cascade. Davros fully intended to dust _his parallel selves and all the parallel Daleks too._ Even Thanos only intended his Snap to take out _one_ universe...

[@daverhoden445]

Clearly Thanos was an underachiever.

[@larniieplayz6285]

@@daverhoden445 nah

[@G.F.SF55]

Ooo, can you tell me which episode that was?

[@PaladinOfNerds]

I never connected the Reality Bomb to the hypothetical virus proposed by the Doctor. That's honestly pretty chilling...

[@PenneySounds]

Though I didn't think of it when I made this video, it also connects to the reason the Doctor was sent back to Skaro's past in the first place. When he was given the mission, he was told: "We foresee a time when they will have destroyed all other lifeforms and become the dominant creature in the universe."

[@jamescampbell2096]

The only way it could have been more chilling would be if Davros said “and the best part is, it was you who gave me the idea doctor” or something like that

[@Great_Olaf5]

@@jamescampbell2096 Eh, that might've been *too* on the nose.

[@jamescampbell2096]

@@Great_Olaf5 true but its one of those things that you need to look for other wise and sometimes you need to be a bit on the nose

[@elliottnoad1270]

​​@@Great_Olaf5tbf that was a major theme of Terror Firma from the McGann Doctor big Finish run (spoilers below). So wouldn't necessarily have been the first time. For context Davros is reeling from the events of the McCoy Doctor manipulating Davros into destroying Skaro in Remembrance Of The Daleks and is developing a split personality between Davros & The Emperor (with the emperor aspect sounding more Dalek like). Davros asked the Doctor to help him by having his original body become the emperor while the clone has all of Davros' memories Davros= "After a few aeons, a thought became prominent, You, Doctor! I began to think about you and I decided that I should learn from you. Do you remember the first time we met on Skaro, all those centuries ago?" Doctor= "yes. What is this Davros? What about the clone, you know, the reason you brought me here?" Davros= " 'would I release the virus' " Doctor= "Virus?" Davros= "your hypothetical virus, the one one that would destroy everything, the one that would set me up above the gods" Doctor= "what have you done?" Davros= "I was alone and I needed to create, so I created the virus and we became God and as the years of solitude continued, we had to decide where my new home, my kingdom should be? Where could I release my virus? And where could I truly become God and then, then we remembered you once more, you who destroyed our world! And so I destroyed yours, not Gallifrey Doctor, despite what you say, that isn't your destiny, it isn't where you belong." Doctor= "Earth?!" Davros= "indeed Doctor, because of you, I released the virus, here on Earth. A virus that caused human beings to change, to mutate.A virus that left them begging for someone to save them and so I did. We gave them life!" Doctor= "those Daleks, they were human?!" Davros= "yes Doctor" Doctor= "How Many?!, How?! What have you done?!" Davros= "welcome home Doctor, welcome to the home of 8 billion Daleks, 8 billion men, women are children are now my Daleks because of you! No Factions! No imperial Daleks, no renegade Daleks! 8 billion Daleks who obey me with out question! Can you hear the human race as it crys out Doctor? Doctor can you hear me?" Doctor= "you tell me all this and expect me to help you?" Davros= "yes Doctor" Doctor= "how can you expect me to help you? Davros I will kill you" Davros= "good" Doctor= "good? You want me to kill- no you're trying to corrupt me" Davros= "I no longer wish for life, there is no light, you have seen to that. I will welcome the darkness" Doctor= "so what's with the clone?" Davros= "you will perform the op- , a diversion, that is all. I needed to keep you occupied while your companions faced their own destinies. Because Doctor we all have one destiny, you, me, the Daleks Me, the human race, your companions" Doctor= "death?" Davros= "correct. As a God I can create and as a God I can destroy" Doctor= "let me guess, another virus?" Davros= "contained within a capsule locked away, here in my emperor's casing, where only can access it, if someone were to attack me, damage me in any way, the virus would be released instantly"

[@HeatyFrog]

I always loved Eccleston's Doctor describing Davros to Henry van Statten. "A genius, a man who was king of his own little world - you'd like him."

[@dalekdude180]

Eccleson’s Doctor meeting Davros would have been epic!

[@TONEDEAFSOUND]

eccelston was my favorite for sure

[@Whiteythereaper]

That edit back to Tom's conversation with him from Capaldi's callback to it was satisfyingly clean

[@PenneySounds]

I'm glad you liked it. It was hard to find a spot to make the cut without it being jarring

[@leonturner2598]

Very well done

[@themightybob]

So the fourth doctor gave davros the idea for the reality bomb. Bet he was thinking oopsie

[@mitchjames9350]

The reality bomb is a stupid concept, how does a bunch planets help create and unlimited power to wipe life out of the multiverse?

[@themightybob]

@@mitchjames9350 i dunno its doctor who its science makes no sense

[@stephenmurphy2212]

Thanos wanted to wipe out half the universe but Davros wanted to wipe out all universes. Conclusion: Davros is worse than Thanos.

[@mpg272727]

@@stephenmurphy2212 Well yeah, I mean when you think about it the reality bomb is the ultimate end goal for the daleks. Why bother spending so much time and effort traveling throughout different planets, galaxies and dimensions to try and wipe out life when you can just set off a bomb that does it for you? What's funny though is that let's say the Daleks are succsesful in this. They wipe out all living life in all realities and dimensions and the only creatures left alive are daleks... So now what? The Daleks are made for war and made for hate. The entire point of a dalek is to kill and wage war, they have nothing to them over than that. So what are they supposed to do when there is nothing left to fight? No wars to wage? Nobodoy left to hate? Will the Daleks just sort of sit around doing nothing but screeching 'Daleks are supreme!' for the next trillion zillion years until the heat death of the universe? I don't think even the Daleks know what their plan is if they won! Although I have always imagined that Daleks being Daleks if there were only Daleks left in the universe they would end up turning on each other at some point (classic Dalek purity war no doubt) and wipe each other out and thus there would be no life left in the universe even if the Daleks won!

[@vullord666]

@@stephenmurphy2212 Not that high of a bar. As far as marvel goes, the beyonders are much more dangerous to reality

[@crimsondynamo615]

“Such a foolish waste of energy!” “No ‘arm in trying.” Ecks dee

[@fastertrackcreative]

Is that what he said?

[@syweb2]

@@fastertrackcreative He said "no harm in trying", but sometimes they don't pronounce the H, so it sounds like "arm" and comes across as a pun.

[@amareyez8791]

“I am dying, Doctor.” “You keep saying that, you keep not dying. Can you give it some welly?”

[@randomgod8185]

What I really freaking love about Davies and Moffat, is that they were clearly mega nerds who loved the work that came before them. Hell Moffat's early parts takes so much from Davies' run it's so easy to flip between the two.

[@metalswifty23]

Moffat taking things from Davies' run is understandable, seeing as he wrote at least one episode in every RTD series (except the special mini-series).

[@vullord666]

Also loved how well they got along and complimented each other writing wise. River Song’s story is only such a fantastic and fluid edition to Doctor Who because RTD let Moffat start it in his run.

[@obiwankenobi687]

Moffat actively ignores and completely disregards, rewrites or completely undoes most of Russel T Davies work. So I don’t see this at all. Moffat liked to delve into the classic series more than RTD and remold it to include his own pieces and elements. Like the first Doctor meeting 12, his Doctor meeting young davros, Clara making the Doctor steal the TARDIS and inserting her into every doctors story, making his hybrid prophecy the reason the doctor left gallifrey, his childhood in the barn, inserting a war Doctor etc, etc, Whereas RTD just told good stories with the pieces he had. He didn’t try and inject himself back into the entire history of the show

[@weebjeez]

Nah nah nah. Ya see, I think what would likely work best is to get someone who just genuinely loves Sci-Fi in all its forms, write a mad lib, and then have a super-fan decide what each noun verb and adjective is as they go.

[@Great_Olaf5]

As someone who literally pays no attention to the credits, I'll be honest, I never noticed any substantial difference from one series lead to the next. The only thing that even made me aware of it changing was the roars of fury from fans at every changeover.

[@r3n3gad33]

I love how they depict Davros as more evil than the Daleks, which is insane considering the Daleks are arguably the most evil thing in all of fiction.

[@robmartin525]

I'd suggest that it's because the Daleks have no capacity for good, whereas Davros does yet chooses the evil path! The Daleks are closer to a force of nature than to characters in my eyes!

[@Logan_Irrelevant]

Yeah the Daleks are racist, but Davros is both Racist and malicious.

[@EditedAF987]

⁠​⁠@@robmartin525like the 6th Doctor told humanity in Jubilee: “The Daleks were genetically engineered to see all other life as a threat. What excuse do you have?”

[@supergiantrobot3501]

Technically, Daleks aren't evil - being evil requires a choice. Daleks are that way becsuse they were _made_ that way.

[@schnek8927]

@@supergiantrobot3501 That's your subjective take. One could just as easily argue that true evil is that which cannot even consider good. Evil is it's default.

[@cm5913]

Amazing, yet subtle. Davros makes the same hand gesture talking about the reality bomb's effect as he did talking about the doomsday virus capsule.

[@tTaseric]

Also 2:40 "To hold in your hand; the heartbeat of every Dalek on Skaro" "Are you ready, to be a god?" from Series 9 was def referencing that

[@GADG3Tx87]

"Let me hear you say it, just once. Compassion. Is. WRONG!" I loved the Magicians Apprentice.

[@Silverwind87]

"I am dying, Doctor." "You keep saying that, you keep _not_ dying! Can you give it some welly?" Yep. Exterminated by Daleks, cryogenically frozen, caught in the epicenter of an exploding flying saucer, and consumed by the Nightmare Child, which killed him _seven_ times over.

[@syweb2]

What even _is_ the Nightmare Child?

[@tiobridge841]

@@syweb2 Pray you never find out...

[@pancakes8670]

​@@syweb2The perfect Dalek. So incredibly demented that it's best we don't know anything about it.

[@lb5818]

@@syweb2 started off as a dalek created by davros for the time war, uniquely designed not to see daleks as superior so it could improve and evolve a la the cult of skaro, but it rejected its own body and began to hack and eat other daleks, evolving into an ever-hungry eldritch creature whose goal was to eat everything, becoming so powerful that thousands of duplicates of earth were fired at the nightmare child just to slow it down, and it survived going through the elysium gates, immersing it in an antimatter universe not even the time lords dared explore, so powerful that davros and the war doctor just plain could not kill it

[@SaturnsHub]

oh this aged like milk

[@blaziard683]

Oh it did

[@KyrosnoProductions]

What happened?

[@RopeDrink]

There's a distinct lack of Unlimited Rice Pudding. The thought of never having it encouraged Davros to initiate the Time War (after a brief trip inside an escape pod).

[@docnecrotic]

KZbin recommendations is just trolling me right now

[@bosstoober8782]

This aged like a fine milk!

[@DisasterEnby]

Davros stole some regeneration energy from The Doctor. It was kind of a big deal last time he appeared. Considering how regeneration works, do you really think Davros isn't eventually gonna have to?

[@vuelle9816]

you mean a fine wine?

[@ThatBlueSkull]

Theres no reason for dravos to suddenly change @@vuelle9816

[@PenneySounds]

Hey guys, did this age well, or did it age like milk? Not enough people have commented to tell me, so I'm not sure.

[@grimnirproductions]

Rest in peace Davros’s chair You will be missed And to answer your question 12, we would have loved dogems 😔😔😔 Another stunning 2023+ addition

[@blaziard683]

I miss Davros's goofy lil dalek chair

[@gojifan7976]

You know it isn’t canon right? Or you are just joking

[@MrMadre]

This one man, from one life form, from one planet, from one solar system, from me galaxy, from one universe, created the single most powerful weapon to ever be created in fiction. A weapon that literally wipes out every single atom from ever dimension and from every universe in the multiverse. That is a feat that not even a god could achieve, this man, this evil, yet calm man was so smart, he destroyed creation itself. What a guy!

[@plantainsame2049]

He also created racist murder tanks which will kill themselves In A-day and an attempt to save his people

[@magicman1921]

This is right up there with The Thanos Snap

[@justsomebody5450]

You're wrong with the single most powerful in fiction there's more powerful than this

[@MrMadre]

@@justsomebody5450 How. How do you get stronger than literally wiping out creation.

[@FlaschenJoe11]

@@MrMadre All Creation (including literally alternate universes with no chance of stopping it)

[@brianartillery]

And who saved Davros' life when he was a terrified child, who'd blundered into a minefield? The Doctor. Such a delicious irony.

[@PenneySounds]

I thought of including the parallel between that and the Fourth Doctor's statement about knowing a child would grow up to be a ruthless dictator, but the episode itself points out that parallel

[@NemoConsequentae]

Keep in mind that he did that _after_ Davros tried the whole reality bomb thing, but it was stopped, from memory, by the Daleks themselves. (Well, by the order of the one of them in particular.)

[@brianartillery]

@@NemoConsequentae But here, all the Doctor saw was a terrified little boy, and didn't know who he was - until the child told him. I think that this was the 'fault' of the TARDIS - not taking the Doctor where he wanted to be, but taking him where he NEEDED to be, to prove the point about killing a child whom you knew would grow up evil. The TARDIS was right. The Doctor couldn't.

[@voteDC]

@@brianartillery The brilliance is that it could have gone the other way but it would have been a paradox. By letting that boy die the Doctor's previous incarnations would never have had to make the choices they did in regard to the Daleks. Which means the Doctor would never have been at that point to have to make the choice to save the boy or not.

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

@@brianartillery Also establishing how much the TARDIS grew to love Clara after their rocky relationship at first. Had it happened in a different order, Clara would have died without a way to communicate her plea for mercy.

[@tommaczar673]

There's also a direct callback to the "slight pressure of my finger" line in the I, Davros audio series.

[@redjirachi1]

There's an interesting contrast with Davros and post-Time War Doctor. Both of them served in a long, bloody, pointless war. But while the Doctor was disgusted by it and what he did, Davros came to the conclusion he did nothing wrong and should continue that same mindset

[@JoshSweetvale]

2:30 Good job, Doc. You gave Science Hitler the idea for a self-perpetuating Bond Breaker weapon.

[@minecraftrotisseriechicken]

Video titles that aged like milk

[@nathofmann8169]

We should thank RTD's crew for this continuity. Those little details....this is everything

[@HappyMSI1]

This comment has not aged very well.

[@delduvall]

And now the continuity is no long longer on point

[@-xARCHONx-]

I loved Tennants Davros voice effect the best, really made him sound manacing.

[@dominikdobrotic8298]

Davros was gonna destroy the whole reality but the show still manages to guilt trip the Doctor for stopping him. like wtf

[@fastertrackcreative]

What do you mean? The metacrisis Doctor?

[@SherloxPro]

Fr it's crazy

[@nerdy_hedgehog]

It would be weird for the doctor to not care about killing millions of life forms. While killing Daleks is justified, it can lead to justifying other horrible acts. The doctor has already gone down that slippery slope in the time war, so he doesn't want to do it again.

[@green6676]

"No arm in trying" lol

[@fawziekefli2273]

Just imagine, that in some other parallel universe somewhere, some other version of Davros is building that Reality Bomb, and the detonates it. We could be wiped out in an instant, and we wouldn't even know it, or why.

[@saintarkweather]

The end of every story with Davros: Davros apparently dies The next story where he appears: Somehow Davros returned

[@PenneySounds]

Most of his stories ended with him arrested

[@gremnlinloquillo3310]

​@Penney Sound Wellll every ending of Davros is: Genesis of the Daleks- Dead (In Suspended Animation) Destiny of the Daleks- Captured Resurrection of the Daleks- Possible die by the Movellan Virus Revelation of the Daleks- Captured Remembrance of the Daleks- Escape I haven't heard all Davros Audioplay but: Davros- Dead Terror of Firma: Became crazy but he was shoot by the Daleks again

[@GlennYarwood]

And new davros is just a regular bloke apparently

[@PhattyBolger]

Yeah, they couldn't have him as a disabled person because that would lead people to think all disabled people are evil space scientists, apparently. They were fine leaving him as a white man, though.

[@woodrobin]

Missed the one where the Twelfth Doctor has the opportunity to save Davros from a minefield and chooses not to when he learns the kid he's about to save is Davros. That leads Davros to grow up believing that no one can be trusted, no one will help you, and to hate everyone who isn't under his control. So, basically, the Doctor made Davros the man he became. Oops: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYalealnd6Z2mJo

[@SamUnderStars]

Did you not watch the 2nd part of that episode?

[@woodrobin]

@@SamUnderStars I'm afraid I don't recall it very well. Did he go back and rescue the kid?

[@MeleeHellBot]

@@woodrobin he did, showing Davros mercy

[@NemoConsequentae]

@@woodrobin Which in turn lead to -Rose- Clara being able to use the word when she was trapped by The Master in the Dalek shell.

[@TheRealUnkn0wn_289]

@@NemoConsequentae Clara*

[@whophd]

Captions: “Electrical energy, Miss Thailand” - Rose Tyler’s other day job

[@FahadAyaz]

😂

[@PenneySounds]

I didn't even know she was a contestant

[@andrewdavidson665]

Oh boy... the comments about how RTD respected the originals have aged badly in this last few hours.

[@PenneySounds]

I never would have thought a single minisode could do so much damage to the lore.

[@andrewdavidson665]

@@PenneySounds unfortunately it's not just that minisode but this is the new reality for Davros according to RTD because he was a wheelchair user, and evil, and that's not good in 2023.

[@PalkkiTT]

​@@andrewdavidson665Him no longer being in a wheelchair can be explained by him repairing his body with technology so it doesn't mess with the continuity.

[@PenneySounds]

They already messed with continuity by having him create the Daleks before his accident.

[@PalkkiTT]

@@PenneySounds I don't think they said created the daleks, just the mark 3 travel machine.

[@maniraptavia4008]

Wow! I never realised before how Murray Gold sort of seems to reference parts of the music from 00:06 at 01:09! Sort of crackly Geiger counter stuff. Apt for the radiation theme.

[@CalebHowlett]

Your right

[@firerhino8592]

Boy am I glad RTD is fixing the harmful stereotype of handicap people being evil. Just yesterday i saw a handicap person being jumped by 10 people because they thought he was summoning an army of Daleks.

[@herecomes3608]

In my defense he was handicapped and doctor who taught me that handicapped people are evil I think I was justified

[@GabrielRamirez-uv8ce]

Lmao you had me going!!

[@claudius3359]

It's so weird because he could've atleast make some kind of comparison with the new UNIT scientist character.Also the ethics of him turning Kaleds into blobs in a metal container while he remains intact is still interesting to explore,it can be used to convey that he's not 'the usual wheelchair user'. Sounds like a really big stretch,I know,but if he wanna do that I wish he atleast try explaining it or turn it to an interesting story bruh.

[@obiwankenobi687]

2023: when the continuity is on point RTD’s Davros: Gets up and grows new legs and face

[@potsdam28]

I was assuming we saw pre accident Davros

[@VirTaro]

It's nice to find a Doctor Who comment section that isn't nonstop complaining about the new series. A breath of fresh air.

[@PenneySounds]

You wouldn't BELIEVE how many comments I have to delete to keep it that way

[@willhorting5317]

@@PenneySounds that's sad. Aren't we all fans of Doctor Who? Every era had it's bad points, good points, and great points. We should all rally behind the entire breadth of Doctor Who, so that it will remain airing for years to come. I may not live long enough, but I would love for there to be a 100 year anniversary special!!😎😎

[@dylanthomas3072]

@@willhorting5317 fandom is inherently emotional. When it's positive, you get great stuff, when any fans feel betrayed or otherwise hurt by a perceived or real drop in quality, or deviation from their headcanons, the most devoted fans quickly become the most toxic.

[@willhorting5317]

@@dylanthomas3072 I know. But it's sad that's how it is.

[@PenneySounds]

The unfortunate fact is, people had a political motivation for hating the current run of the show, and that minority of haters became so loud in the fan community that it drowned out everything else, and it became an echo chamber where people were manufacturing things to be outraged about just to fit in. I have seen people actually stop being fans of the show simply because they can't take it anymore, where they watch and enjoy an episode and then go to discuss it with other "fans" only to be told it was the worst thing that ever happened in the history of things. I try to keep that out of these comments, but it's an absolute tsunami of negativity. And even though the haters have convinced themselves Davies taking over from Chibnall will make everything right, we all know they will just complain about what Davies does too.

[@No-ec4gi]

3:45 then wouldn’t there be a parralel universe where Davros succeeded in his plan and then shouldn’t it be leaking to all the other universes including this one?

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Not really. Davros surviving the Time War seems to be a unique instance in our Universe.

[@No-ec4gi]

@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim well no if there’s a parallel universe created after each of davroses actions then there has to be multiple that survived the time war

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

@@No-ec4gi The events that set Davros free from the Time War aren't exactly natural in the time stream. And the simple point that there isn't a Universe that has Davros succeed here means one of two things. 1) There is no possible way for Davros to ever succeed with his plan (Since the Multiverse is every _possible_ action) 2) Because of some fluke in the Multiverse, in every other universe, Caan fails to save Davros.

[@richardenglish2195]

I'll explain later.

[@thecreatornooj1328]

@@No-ec4gi There's the idea that potential universes whos events lead to the destruction of other universes/the entire multiverse are on "Another" multiverse. I like calling it the Dark Multiverse. The many worlds theory is related to the universe being a single system of energy and matter that splits according to quantum states, and Davros's actions are emergent from those states. So a system that ends with the destruction of all other derivative systems splits itself from the origin. Or yes, there is a world out there where davros succeeded. But it doesn't exist because he succeeded.

[@Tenmilmedia]

This aged like milk :P

[@MrCdawson17]

That was a really good edit between archive and the actual footage.

[@thomashughes7336]

Well it looks like this video is finally showing its age. Thanks RTD :(

[@Kaiimei]

If the Reality Bomb fired and dissolved all the covalent bonds between atoms, everything would just become singular atoms. Which basically means Davros would have just caused the Big Crunch, though in this case it'd be the Big Fade, followed by an extremely long period whereby the Universe would, just as it did before, pull itself back together over billions of years, aided this time by the fact that the entire atomic table still exists, speeding up the process.

[@yfnspider]

Honestly, when this came to the clip where the Fourth Doctor asks about a virus that would destroy all other forms of life, which Davros imagines being something so small yet powerful that he could hold it in a capsule, I thought immediately of Asylum of the Daleks and the nanovirus that infected all organic matter on the planet on contact and converted it into a Dalek puppet.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Davros is giving serious Palpatine vibes in that first scene.

[@mauddib7830]

Any other sad s.o.b. watching this post 60th anniversary ?

[@kalanz7999]

This is all out the window with Russel T Davies new season where he made Davros a boring depthless human, because apparently some people (nobody ever) looked at Davros and associated evil with disabled people as a result.

[@giggyjupiter8246]

Davros now: "there a problem with davros and that's he's a wheelchair user who is evil and a lot of people in the production team had problems with that. Associating disabilities with evil " Russel T Davies on doctor who unleashed episodes 1. 🤦‍♂️🙄

[@giggyjupiter8246]

Why can't we stick with the good stuff like these classics rather then changing things, only for the sake to not accidentally insult someone because others are overthinking and worrying.

[@ebolarnator1794]

It's pathetic, isn't it?

[@rozza3135]

God who the fuck cares man? Do you watch Davros for the character or the fact he's in a wheelchair

[@madeasomething]

Yeah... Shame this video is kind of obsolete now :(

[@UndeadGary]

See, they'd have a point if they depicted Davros as evil because of his disability but that is not his motivation, its just a physical character trait. Those aren't the same things, and they were overreacting by conflating the two.

[@davemustang8173]

*man literally gives his life to stop davros* Doctor: "oh well" Colin Baker: "what do you mean the fans don't like me?"

[@potsdam28]

This must be pre Big finish

[@inyalgaico1563]

Thanos perfectly balanced as all things should be Davros : Balance? perfect balance ahhh yes...For a time matter as chaotic can be still. However it is always growing always evolves its existence is already balanced. You can not keep it stagnant unless you stopped time itself or destroyed time...no life itself, then nothing would need balance nothing would need destruction, nor creation.... These stones? good idea, marvelous idea you are certainly ahead of your time. B-But not far enough titan! Thanos : What do you mean? Davros : What did it cost you? Thanos : Everything Davros : But you did not get everything you wanted in return.....Then the job is not done until every atom in creation "is reduced to dust" and then your pride and will shall be the very balance upon the weight of your magnum opus *Holds the power stone* The Doctor *Hearts sinking* Thanos looks at the doctor then back at Davros : That's madness! Davros : now you sound like the fools on your home world who ostracized you.

[@CalebHowlett]

That would actually be such a cool conversation

[@Hound831]

1:10 Now that is attention to detail. I always wondered about Davro's new hand.

[@mpg272727]

I mean when you think about it the reality bomb is the ultimate end goal for the daleks. Why bother spending so much time and effort traveling throughout different planets, galaxies and dimensions to try and wipe out life when you can just set off a bomb that does it for you? What's funny though is that let's say the Daleks are succsesful in this. They wipe out all living life in all realities and dimensions and the only creatures left alive are daleks... So now what? The Daleks are made for war and made for hate. The entire point of a dalek is to kill and wage war, they have nothing to them over than that. So what are they supposed to do when there is nothing left to fight? No wars to wage? Nobodoy left to hate? Will the Daleks just sort of sit around doing nothing but screeching 'Daleks are supreme!' for the next trillion zillion years until the heat death of the universe? I don't think even the Daleks know what their plan is if they won! Although I have always imagined that Daleks being Daleks if there were only Daleks left in the universe they would end up turning on each other at some point (classic Dalek purity war no doubt) and wipe each other out and thus there would be no life left in the universe even if the Daleks won!

[@PenneySounds]

There's another thread on this in these comments with some interesting ideas

[@music2012pink]

A war to find the supreme Dalek

[@iantophernicus6042]

I wonder what the daleks might do if they decided Davros had become corrupted or impure in some way. Would Davros claim victory over his creations, or would the daleks break into factions, siding either for or against him, resorting to any means necessary to claim dominance over the daleks they would now consider to be defectors.

[@PenneySounds]

@@iantophernicus6042 That basically all happened in the classic series

[@iantophernicus6042]

@@PenneySounds Ah. Seems I has some catching up to do.

[@sethcopeland4362]

That cut from The Magician's Apprentice to Genesis of the Daleks was pretty cool.

[@dweeebles]

i come from the future…this needs an update lmao! 😭

[@PenneySounds]

There's been nothing new that's been on-point enough to add

[@lord_egg]

​@@PenneySoundsPeople keep telling me that Destination: Skaro breaks Davros' lore. Do you mind doing a video showing this? I can't find one and you're really good at being able to identify continuity. Might be a cool idea to do one where you identify the opposite.

[@artofdrinking]

Heres hoping he goes back to looking like he used to.

[@thanhhoangnguyen4754]

It better come back because it messing up the timeline very much. Especially with Tom baker Time line

[@nalublackwater9729]

And then RTD retconed Davros because he thinks people will go "wheelchair people bad".

[@IG7799-c4u]

*cough* John Lumic and Max Capricorn *cough*

[@OliverJGibson]

And now, RTD thinks that Davros' mobility issues are 'offensive'. Can't make this stuff up.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

Didn't seem to have a problem with John Lumic and Max Capricorn.

[@lesigh1749]

All of that continuity just got bulldozed. 😕

[@leaderunith4l324]

Not really, the Davros in the new series is the same person we’ve seen before, just before he got the chair

[@BooneBluemel]

WHY did Davros want to destroy all of reality? I get that daleks hate everyone that isn't them, but ALL of reality. ALL matter in existence. The daleks can't just live in a vacuum. They need supplies, they need resources, they need purpose.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

They don't bother thinking that far ahead, they're filled with unrelenting burning hatred of absolutely everything. Not to mention he'd just been dragged out of the Time War, he was probably in a particularly genocidal mood. Basically, I'd be surprised if the creator of sentient nazi tanks in space did think up a coherent plan.

[@PenneySounds]

The destruction of everything that isn't Dalek IS their purpose. They believe that would be perfection. As Davros says right before the scene included here: DOCTOR: It's not the machines, it's the minds of the creatures inside them. Minds that you created. They are totally evil. DAVROS: Evil? No. No, I will not accept that. They are conditioned simply to survive. They can survive only by becoming the dominant species. When all other life forms are suppressed, when the Daleks are the supreme rulers of the universe, then you will have peace. Wars will end. They are the power not of evil, but of good. And with the Fifth Doctor: DAVROS: I had planned to completely redesign the Daleks. Kiston will confirm I am telling the truth. KISTON: It is so. DAVROS: My mistake was making them totally ruthless. It restricted their ability to cope with creatures who rely not only on logic, but instinct and intuition. That is a factor I wish to correct. DOCTOR: And compassion? Are they to be programmed for that? DAVROS: They will learn to recognise the strength that can be drawn from such an emotion. DOCTOR: But only to make the Daleks more efficient killers. DAVROS: To make them a more positive force. DOCTOR: For destruction! DAVROS: The universe is at war, Doctor. Name one planet whose history is not littered with atrocities and ambition for empire. It is a universal way of life. DOCTOR: Which I do not accept. And again with the Twelfth: DAVROS: Do you know why you came, Doctor? You have a sense of duty. Of guilt, perhaps. And certainly of shame. DOCTOR: You flatter me. DAVROS: Pity. I intended to accuse. I believe that for the ultimate good of the universe, I was right to create the Daleks. DOCTOR: You were very wrong. DAVROS: This is the argument we've had since we met. Davros was raised in the most hellish war imaginable, and conditioned with the idea that the only way to achieve peace is to completely wipe out all rivals. In his twisted way, he believes he is trying to create peace, and that doing so is the ultimate good. That's ultimately the problem with the Daleks. They are modeled after one flawed man, and all his weaknesses, biases, wounds, and scars.

[@BooneBluemel]

@@PenneySounds yeah but, matter itself. Where will they live? What will they do? They've destroyed all matter.

[@PenneySounds]

@@BooneBluemel They'd just live on the Crucible. They likely have technology that lets them create energy. They think they'd just live on their ships forever and that would be perfection. In reality, they'd probably either die out, or create something new to fight about.

[@jnmusic9969]

@@BooneBluemel he states in the episode that the only thing that will be left is their ships and them, so they will just float around in an empty vacuum for all eternity

[@christopheraaron1255]

I love it, but if the reality bomb destroys all alternate realities too, then it can't work because there's an alternate reality where they stopped it.

[@PenneySounds]

It only needs to work in one.

[@ThatBlueSkull]

probably a fixed point in time that it's stopped by donna and the doctor donna etc@@PenneySounds

[@batmanbeyond5766]

This didn’t age well

[@bangbangcan2]

Given how faithfully RTD stuck to a lot of old Who in 2005, I've no doubt removing Davros' wheelchair was a "precondition" for that Disney funding. What a shame

[@hellacoorinna9995]

John Lumic and Max Capricorn, and all that.

[@andygozzo72]

@@hellacoorinna9995 those 2 very unlikely to be feature again, though, as both were destroyed,

[@bdpickett]

I seriously never noticed that his hand was replaced with a prosthetic.

[@cwa728]

“He only has mobility in that one hand?” No, he has mobility in both, but the other hand is always “occupied” with a different “task”.

[@SolidGoldCEO]

"exsperminate"

[@lja1993]

The Reality Bomb is basically the Doctor Who equivalent of Thanos snapping, but Donna went for the head.

[@MattCrawley_Music]

Shame Russel T Davis has now completely changed Davros to suit his views on "people with disabities" Absolutely done with modern Who.

[@stephenmurphy2212]

Thanos wanted to wipe out half the universe but Davros wanted to destroy all universes (the multiverse). Conclusion: Davros is worse than Thanos. 😈

[@barrymills1999]

Is it me or is Davros plan in series is basically the flux just they flux

[@landfish7a]

except the flux could only destroy most of one universe, whereas the reality bomb could destroy all universes.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Davros did it first, and did it better. That's the difference.

[@nickcolby1391]

I thought Micheal wisher would never be bettered but Julian bleach was astonishing, I bloody love Davros

[@PenneySounds]

What's funny to me is that I never felt like Molloy's Davros felt like the same character as Wisher's Davros. He just looked and sounded too different. But Bleach's Davros feels like the same character as Molloy's Davros, and also feels like the same character as Wisher's Davros. Somehow he bridged the gap between them.

[@nickcolby1391]

@@PenneySounds well put sir , I wasn’t a fan of molloys davros mind you I was slowly going off who when Tom baker left , and completely stopped when mcoy took over , but bleach completely blew my mind , especially when he opened his eyes , and when he recognises Sarah , god I hope Russel t Davies brings him back 🤞🏽

[@papa--smurf]

oh buddy

[@bloodfar_]

this didn't age well

[@mattyguitar22]

I keep seeing this comment, what happened? 🤔

[@pundahandz7403]

That transition from Capaldi to Baker was seemless!

[@PenneySounds]

I hoped people would appreciate that mid-sentence smash cut

[@williamdunhan341]

Ah man... This has aged. But not like wine.

[@tdmrebel9818]

it's a shame they've destroyed that continuity now and ruined one of the most iconic villians

[@PenneySounds]

That remains to be seen

[@tdmrebel9818]

It's already been shown and RTD has made it clear he doesn't want an evil "wheelchair" user and so won't be using the real Davros but some generic nazi man instead

[@hellacoorinna9995]

@@tdmrebel9818 "Ooh boyo time's and tastes have changed." Wonder if RTD includes himself in that assessment, considering John Lumic and Max Capricorn

[@sirenia755]

2:33 including you, Davros, hi everyone, we have a nutter here, lol.

[@buhe1]

Can't help but think of the 6th Doctor every time I see that robotic hand.

[@TheDoctorwho747]

I often wonder what would the daleks do had this plan succeeded? There would be nobody left to exterminate, no hunting the Doctor, just daleks doing dalek things? Wouldn't they just die if boredom in the long run?

[@PenneySounds]

They'd do what fascists always do. Find some way to declare each other impure and start the fighting all over again.

[@TheDoctorwho747]

@PenneySounds hmm good point, they would turn eachother have a war or something until they killed the last remaining part of the universe, fucking daleks ruin everything. Lol

[@sirenia755]

2:59 darth vader "you don't know the power of the darkside", as vader choke hold Davros, lol.

[@henkman00]

The Emperor: ''We will have a SPACE STATION that will be capable of destroying an entire planet. THIS will keep the systems in line. FEAR will keep my EMPIRE together FOREVER!! no Jedi FILTH or rebellion SCUM will be able to STOP me now.... heheheheHAHAHAAAA!!!'' Davros: ''...amateur...''

[@we1rdo_man]

iconic forever

[@kochmuncher4471]

Except it isnt because theyve Retconned everything.

[@PenneySounds]

The only thing they retconned so far was that he had designed the travel machine before his injuries, which doesn't make a lot of sense, but doesn't contradict anything addressed in this video.

[@PenneySounds]

@@DELottProductions Most of the CIN specials have absolutely been part of continuity.

[@PenneySounds]

@@DELottProductions *Sigh* 2005 CIN minisode: canon Time Crash: canon The Naked Truth: explicitly non-canon and fourth wall breaking The Great Detective: canon Destination Skaro: no indications of being anything but canon

[@PenneySounds]

@@DELottProductions There weren't any CIN specials during the classic series. Try again.

[@PenneySounds]

@@DELottProductions Dimensions in Time was made in 1993. The classic series ended in 1989. Try again.

[@josephdavis1995]

but then how does he go from his look in remembrance to stolen earth?

[@PenneySounds]

He presumably gets out of that casing.

[@flyhyland]

Went to Primark.

[@simonjones2395]

There's a Big Finish audio story with the 8th Doctor in the Time War which deals with this. Basically the Daleks put the mind of the original Davros into a new body so he could lead them again, leading to the change in appearance.

[@PenneySounds]

If he was in a new body, surely he'd have his legs, right hand, and left arm back

[@simonjones2395]

@@PenneySounds I haven't listened to the stories myself (so much Big Finish to get through) but skimming the wiki to refresh my memory it actually involves the Dalek Time Strategist taking an alternate universe Davros who hadn't created the Daleks and putting the memories of basically every alternate Davros into him. So presumably he was in a similar state to the classic Davros for different reasons (but now able to use his eyes but prefering not to) explaining why he has a new hand and chair on the covers and the show.

[@nickthepick8043]

I always wondered if The Emperor of The Daleks forced Davros to re-engineer ingenuity and imagination into the Cult of Skaro, when it was removed out of their race's genetics as a whole. It wouldn't make sense considering his wording at 1:16, but with the right writing, it would work. It would make sense, considering how desperate the Time War was, for Davros to go against his self-imposed values in designing the Daleks.

[@PenneySounds]

Davros mentioned something similar to the Fifth Doctor DAVROS: I had planned to completely redesign the Daleks. Kiston will confirm I am telling the truth. KISTON: It is so. DAVROS: My mistake was making them totally ruthless. It restricted their ability to cope with creatures who rely not only on logic, but instinct and intuition. That is a factor I wish to correct. DOCTOR: And compassion? Are they to be programmed for that? DAVROS: They will learn to recognise the strength that can be drawn from such an emotion. DOCTOR: But only to make the Daleks more efficient killers. DAVROS: To make them a more positive force. DOCTOR: For destruction! DAVROS: The universe is at war, Doctor. Name one planet whose history is not littered with atrocities and ambition for empire. It is a universal way of life. DOCTOR: Which I do not accept.

[@nickthepick8043]

@@PenneySounds That is true! In other Big Finish Stories, like the Dalek Empire series, we see how eerie the Daleks are based on how sociopathic they are as a species. They are so detached from a sentient's point of view that they only seek to observe and learn our behaviors so as to better control us or condemn us.

[@MaximilianonMars]

That guy shot his hand off!! That's intense! I'm surprised they showed that on TV back then, that's quite graphic and visceral.

[@dankicks]

“ANYONE FOR DODGEMS!?”

[@raidynmorian4518]

Hearing him talk about the "rift at the heart of the medusa cascade" after the timeless child... That is the rift, the one we saw there.

[@PenneySounds]

I don't think it was ever implied that it was, but it would be interesting

[@chapman2001]

And now he’s ruined thanks rtd

[@samcarpenter_]

nvm lol

[@cthulhu9136]

0:25 off brand Palpatine

[@KrisRyanStallard]

Davros is by far my favorite villain from any universe.

[@rollmeister]

One handed...but deadly

[@Tony_Baloney_69420]

0:17 Bro just pulled a Palpatine

[@Domihork]

The Flux not being connected to the Reality Bomb is a missed opportunity on Chinball's part...

[@ulricef1029]

If you think about, the reality bomb has the same effect as the Flux. Davros didn't succeed but his goal has been achieved.

[@marktaylor6553]

So it turns out that Claw from Inspector Gadget was Davros all along?

[@CalebHowlett]

Yes, the creator was Claw