When games have too much lore

[@TannerCh]

Then they say, "Go to the land of Hiddlesborough to the town of Middleforkian to retrieve the Sword of Legend" and the quest just says "Retrieve the sword of legend" and they never repeat those names again so you have no idea where to go.

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

I would LOVE a fantasy RPG that's played completely straight and serious, but every single character just has a regular common-American name.

[@matthijswouters834]

I''m having this problem right now with to complete some side quests in the Mass Effect series. It will say "return to NPC-name", but I have no idea who or where NPC-name are anymore, there's soo many.

[@jesseritchie9282]

​@@SympatheticStrawmanVAHonestly the thought of having some epic Wizard in the mountains named George Atticus Clay who's specialty is having "magically enhanced" guns, and very nice garden. His cap is a just a regular trucker hat as well while wearing overalls. Lol

[@wumpusrat]

That's pretty much how old-school MMOs worked. There were no quest indicators, no exclamation points over their heads, etc. You had to actually track down the NPC (and sometimes they were mobile), know what to say to them (a lot of really old MMOs didn't have dialogue options, you had to actually /say the words to trigger the next bit of text), and then figure out where to go from sometimes vague descriptions. Hell, original EQ didn't even have a world-map. You had to navigate by coordinates and landmarks. People actually drew up maps of each zone based on trekking through them and noting down where everything was. I still have my old binder full of printed-out maps with all my notes on them.

[@loganhoerster8636]

That's just Morrowind basically lmao

[@FlymanMS]

It’s very uncanny to see you in a non-rotoscoped form

[@punkdigerati]

It's not rotoscoping.

[@simonebaraldi9440]

Its so blursed

[@jayspeidell]

It's making me uncomfortable.

[@KingPBJames]

@@punkdigerati It's digital rotoscoping

[@punkdigerati]

@@KingPBJames it's not that it's digital, it's that very few frames are drawn. The rest is interpolated. There's nothing wrong with it, I enjoy the technique and the stuff people make with it, but it's a stretch to call it rotoscoping after nearly a century of that term meaning to draw over every frame.

[@dawesome_sauce]

The laughter at Tim's name wasn't a blooper; that's just how his brother feels about him. #siblings

[@splatterkat3838]

I love that he's using a shoulder heater as part of his costume for the king 😂

[@EdgyShooter]

The fact that even the characters couldn't keep it together 😅 I'd pay good money for a mode in a game where all the dialog was outtakes

[@Darth_Xionn]

Someone definitely needs to make that game.

[@TheBigKaiju]

You mean High on Life or Rick and Morty games in general lol?

[@nightsong81]

Can't believe there were really two crystals of Enthos and Brian was a Dark Primordia the whole time...

[@titaniumtac6277]

Actually... They were one before the cataclysmic and separated during the 2nd civil war. Brian being a Dark Primodia was hinted at quite heavily if you were paying attention

[@badradish2116]

@@titaniumtac6277 the side quests are a little too on the nose about all of it imho

[@JamesKmosko]

@@titaniumtac6277 I believe Brian was actually a Light Primordia. The Warlock of Terzenshirine alluded to the fact that it was possible, and Brian's powers were inexplicably much different from Tim's. I'm really hoping they go this way in the sequel, because that would mean Tim is going to be the villain and maybe even the leader of the Schkwalheim Army.

[@MinishDude]

At least FFXVI includes the Active Time Lore, which basically keeps notes for you (although *sometimes* it spoils things) 😂

[@skiffee1134]

FF16 is gonna be occasionally weird for me since my name is Josh and I get called that like once a year on my birthday. Every time I heard it in trailers I had one of those, "Oh wait, that's me! Oh, no it isn't." moments lol

[@the1doctorwhat]

Closest experience I've had to that is my students call me Mr. B, and I freaked out a bit when the girls in Bioshock called me Mr. B.

[@gavynmd4587]

That happened to me where Clive says "thank you Gav" and I respond with "no problem man"

[@NotChris03]

That reminds me of Chris Redfield 😂 sometimes when some of my friends use to play RE I was like yeah that's me

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

And then there's The Legend of Heroes, when you have to remember every other game perfectly, including John-Pat, who was with you in Math Class once, (Now, he's the cook of the Weislandian army), and his dad was Bobby the local merchant. Also, hopefully you read the newspaper each week, and spoke with everyone every day, or you're going to miss something important!

[@keiichimorisato98]

The sprawling lore in the Legend if Heroes is why they're worth playing.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

@@keiichimorisato98 I love speaking with every NPCs every time! It's definitely its own rewards

[@keiichimorisato98]

@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 I don't, but I'm able to understand enough to follow.

[@MatthewMcCleskey]

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[@TrueMonkeyNinja]

I love this. The beginning of most RPGs 😂 “we spoke about this in the prologue” “please don’t pretend like I know what the prologue even was” is where my mind goes Loved that all of them kept forgetting the kingdom names and the actual people have very modern short names 😂😂

[@leifdux7277]

Oblivion and Skyrim did it well, where they had books scattered around the world about its lore. Those interested can actively look for those books, and those who didn't care slayed Dremoras and dragons with awesome glory.

[@josephparrotta1159]

Star Ocean 2: You get one battle in the first two hours of gameplay. And the only narrative highlight is when a village elder asks: "Don't you think Rena's healing magic will be useful on your journey?" Main character: "Not really"

[@amazingadams6723]

This felt like the ffxvi demo. 20 min cut scene, walk down a hallway, another 20 min cut scene

[@samflood5631]

And another 20 minutes of lore dumping.

[@ajflink]

You can hit a button at any moment during the cutscenes that helps clarify some details if you are confused about something or want to know more about something. I kinda wish this was a thing for shows or movies on disc. Btw, this feature was and is in the demo and in the final release.

[@Kentrc11]

Pay attention. There's a quiz on the Crystal Of Enthos tomorrow morning at 6am sharp.

[@nayf6847]

“Tim.” *chuckle*

[@ShadowFallRising]

Me trying to follow the non-Disney storylines in Kingdom Hearts.

[@disguisedcentennial835]

Axel who is Lea and Roxas who is Sora but also Ventus, and Organization XIII which is technically all Xehabort 😵‍💫

[@DeliciousVicious777]

​@@disguisedcentennial835Xehabort 😂

[@ajflink]

Am I the only one that thinks the lore makes perfect sense?

[@Jaguar_Gamer]

Shit's funny, I loved the nuke and the parts where you just started laughing from just acting.

[@justinr.116]

Its a good thing they have an active lore button, my writing hand was getting sure

[@brianclarke9861]

a true godsend, needs to be a staple in all rpgs, along with Vivian's state of the realm briefs

[@henryk123]

Don't forget 1h of unskippable cinematics every 15min...

[@kyero8724]

Cry about it

[@dionysusmclaren12]

Also dont forget we have the ability to use magic/summons in fights but never use them everywhere else. FFX i look at you, still love your first game (X2 is fine but the novel and X3 prologue are TRASH) but....

[@oxoboo]

​@@kyero8724He can't, he needs to watch a 1 hour cutscene first

[@loladas9]

@@dionysusmclaren12 Yuna summons a couple of aeons during cutscenes. For example, when she escapes her wedding with Seymour

[@dionysusmclaren12]

@@loladas9 and thats the only time...

[@minerman60101]

I dare you to watch Tarnished Archaeologist's latest video on the Divine Towers in Elden Ring... That being said, From Soft have done a great job of making the lore of their games "opt in" as well as integrated into the gameplay. All cutscenes are a reasonable length, interesting, and skippable, a lot of the background is melded into the environment so you soak it in while playing, and item descriptions you can read as you pick up a given item or later for that added bit of world detail. They use the medium of video gaming to showcase the world with amazing success.

[@thehorsefromhorsinabout]

"can we get to the combat part" big explosion "this game is sick" modern gaming lol

[@PerpetuallySpinning]

Yesss!!! This is PERFECT!!! I have definitely taken notes too XD The only FF game I can recall that doesn't start like this is FF13 which begins with a fight. I remember thinking, 'this can't be right? where's my lore dump? I'm not ready to battle yet!' Great video, thanks for bringing it to life!

[@Chokken97]

Have you played the ps1 FFs? The lore isn't really given to you until midway through the game for those.

[@Timothy_Cope]

There are some who call me, Tim.

[@zelatoth]

I've played Final Fantasy 16 for about 2 to 3 hours and the combat is fun. I don't know why I'm fighting and who any of the people are but I've gotten decent at perfect dodging.

[@Growmetheus]

Ff13 is the most confusing convoluted universe though

[@tiredandangry2480]

Bro, there's no need to keep notes in FFXVI. Literally does it for you!

[@PuReWiReZ]

I was scrolling down at the same rate that you sat down in the video on the autoplayer. There is a wobbly peripheral memory now of the background scrolling while you are stationary.

[@mshumai]

Strong work as always, sir. May I just say, it's refreshing to see so much 'real' Matthew being incorporated into the piece. Looking forward to the next one!

[@IchNachtLiebe]

The best balance for lore is to have lots of it but make it not integral to advancing in the game. Like have a library full of lore in the game that palyers can read books from but dont make it so they have to read them all. Just have them available for the lore nerds who enjoy going more in depth.

[@JJMalchus]

I lost it like 15 seconds into Tim's vacant gaze.

[@Xearrik]

Just wait until the antagonist Bob shows up and tells you about his kingdom, motivations, and genral back story. Then it happens again when you're just trying to help a simple farmer named Ozymandias who turns out to be the long lost something of something, and his real name was Mike the whole time.

[@blackshard641]

0:49 there are some who call me that, yes

[@jackjasra]

I love that you used the master sword room from the temple of time 🤣

[@WILLthePILL6]

Thank the lord for the Active Time Lore.

[@Lofirainbows]

The animation for the hyper realistic shots of you is very uncanny

[@joewilson3393]

Don't forget the hierarchy of the 75-100 named characters.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

That sentence pretty much sums up my reaction to GRR Martin's novels too... with the addendum "and all the related ones are apparently committing incest whilst murdering each other"? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Aerowarrier]

Eh, that felt about like how playing Dragon Age Origins for the first time was

[@akechijubeimitsuhide]

I couldn't tell Orzammar and Ostagar apart at first XD But I love the game.

[@Braun6030]

This is how I feel any time I get even remotely interested in looking up Warhammer lore out of curiosity to see if I would like it.

[@da0guy798]

I can relate so much! The laughably easy character names, the impossibly hard place names and also sick to the d*ck gameplay! 😂

[@KishudarK]

I love the pause before naming the kingdoms, like he's just messing with the players lmao, reminds me of Fire Emblem: Three Houses

[@DBahamut]

* Laughs in Trails *

[@MidnightDStroyer]

From the very beginning of the introduction there, I'd be making *heavy* use of the pause button...All the way up until the nuke went off. "Game over, man! Game over!" ~Pvt. Hudson; movie, Aliens

[@ASBO_LUTELY]

I remember when they bragged about rotoscoping animation on the Amiga with Another World and Flashback, amazed it's still a relevant term.

[@Goat-on-a-Stick]

So this is what happens in all the cutscenes I'm skipping 🤔

[@HandlelessTML]

Idk why I expected you to sound different without the rotoscope 😂

[@crimsoncat0393]

i just started playing 7 a few minutes before this was posted 😭

[@RinkuChan333]

You know, now that you mention it, it is a little weird how there are games filled to the brim with lore codexes just so that you have a shot of figuring out what the fuck is going on lol

[@badradish2116]

the improv was a nice touch

[@gasparsigma]

That's pretty much how I felt in the first hour of FFXV

[@leoistari]

I'm growing very impatient with dense lore lately

[@stranglestrong]

As quoted from thumb wars, "my name is obiy dubby kooby Scooby benebi, I have the silliest name in the galaxy."

[@zurggriff481]

I was not ready for all of this. The gamer's unwaivering attempt to keep up with the lore as Tim was introduced was a nice touch.

[@miguellopes7627]

the worst is when all this lore is given... in WRITING!

[@Silverfang447]

Thumbs up and an additional comment to beat the algorithm. Thanks for the video! 👍🔥👍

[@safaiaryu12]

"... Tim." Reminds me of when I was a kid, playing Ocarina of Time for the first time. I named the file "GEORGIA" (yes, in all caps), not realizing Link would be called that throughout the game. Made me snicker in the middle of every serious scene. Also this whole video is making me think of me very recently trying to get my friend into Warframe... Mostly that game needs to speak for itself, but it takes like a solid 60 hours for the plot to A, pick up, and B, explain anything, so occasionally I try to give her background on something and she's inevitably like "what the FUCK are you talking about". It's bad. 😂

[@jrm78]

Final Fantasy Tactics is a game I still don't get the plot to since I always end up spending an hour in each battle grinding for JP and wind up forgetting everything revealed in the last cut-scene.

[@xxJing]

The church is actually controlled by demons who are trying to resurrect their demon god / leader and are directing politics for that purpose. That's the gist of the plot of FFT. Who those demons are exactly is explained in FF12.

[@MissesWitch]

when you pause the game for 20 minutes just to try to figure out everything that's going on and gone on!

[@ion_force]

this is how I feel switching from guild wars to baldurs gate.

[@boopagm8275]

Have you not been using the Active Time Lore system in 16?

[@CycloneFox]

Oh! Is the Central Perk Lego set on the left a hint that you will soon make an "Every episode of Friends"? :D

[@wrathofainz]

2:35 Everyone: :O

[@hafizhaekal1352]

"Father! I've finished my blessing to fire the ether nuke, our enemies stood no chance!" "Tim, my son! You have done a very great work! Those invading bastard from Waldir won't be getting away with this!" "...Oh....U-um Father i think i might have blessed the wrong country." "...This is why we study our lore carefully my so-*BOOOM*

[@horushyperion76]

On the money especially when it came to the Eidos, Typhon and Ultima shenanigans that shit confused the fuck outta of me. Thank the fans for the wiki.

[@jojoflap]

It's nice to see your handsome face once in a while without the rotoscoping once in a while

[@camrongraham4215]

Final fantasy 15 in a nutshell. Game drops u MID war like you know wth is going on

[@AlexDown1]

I love all the positive mainstream attention FF is getting, and from all my favorite KZbinrs, I'd love to see a parody of FF6

[@shootahgun]

why did that explosion look like blue soda

[@YasugoLiehu]

“Thou shalt take the … to the realm of … where thine …, …, shall help ye on thy journey to save the land of … from the ancient evil of …, … of the …, who slew the fell beast … and took their … for themself, creating a cataclysm known as the …, all of which ye should already know since you're a twenty-something citizen of this world and this all happened like 3 years ago.”

[@philosophyofiron9686]

I'm unironically into it. This would pull me for into a game for the longhaul, exactly as it is

[@targetdemonchains]

The crystal confirming its Waldir XD

[@tyrongkojy]

Too much lore? I'm sorry, I don't understand this concept.

[@ijustsawthat]

We need VaatiVidya for this lore.

[@matthewtalbot-paine7977]

Too much lore isn't a problem talking about things that are interesting in passing without any explanation is the problem especially when what they are talking about sounds more interesting than the thing you are listening too.

[@walulu6531]

Really looking forward to Tim Quest 5

[@Rashed1255]

It’s like they’re making up the lore on the spot! 😮

[@BulbaWhat98]

The Legend of Tim

[@ellieechoes]

There are those who call me tim

[@frozenfresh6406]

TIMMMAY!!!

[@BulbaWhat98]

The main villain is named John

[@erikm8373]

Obviously you didn't collect and analyze all 832 pages of the Tome of Xanthar. It's a good way to get a rough understanding of the lore, and gives important context for the larger books you'll have to read later.

[@BOABModels]

I never actually played Metal Gear Solid 4 - I gave up during the opening cinematics.

[@Mikewee777]

Is that the game where we watch the butt of a elderly snake ?

[@dragontonio442]

And then there is FNAF lore with the catch that you have to find it.

[@Victoriaghh]

My God You're a real person

[@Theguywhowanders]

Like the infamous war hammer 40k and final fantasy

[@the1doctorwhat]

Yup I'm loving the game, but I can't remember whose in charge of anything

[@karateLEMON]

Omg I haven't laughed so hard in my life this is me down to a T when I used to make table top games

[@HatCake]

yay

[@elianm.807]

POV: You delete a game before start playing.

[@catinapan4956]

The lore pretty easy if you compare it Fire Emblem 3 Houses 😂😂. 1. Sanbreque/Holy Empire/Imperials/Dion/Bahamut 2.Waloed/Kingdom/Royalist/Barnabas/Odin (Banedikta/Garuda/Cid/Ramuh) 3.Dhakmakien/Republic/Titan/Hugo Kupka 4.Rosaria/Rosfield/Dukedom/Archduke/Joshua/Phoenix (Clive/Ifrit) 5.Iron Kingdom/Ironblood/Barbarian/They conquered North of Rosaria thus Jill/Shiva old home. So yeah that's all 🤣🤣 Sanbreque really easy cuz we see their silver armoured knight and dragoon. Waloed was the one making it unnecessary confusing with their meddling in all party.

[@diredm3889]

this is not that much lore at all, If I played a game where this was most of the lore i'd think it has not enough

[@Chokken97]

Lol the whole time I was thinking about FFXVI

[@edgarlarios4718]

Is this a jab at FFXVI? It feels like a jab at FFXVI. LOL

[@MatthewMcCleskey]

A friendly jab! I've been enjoying the game!

[@samflood5631]

I think this is a parody of Final Fantasy 16. Only thing missing is a white haired girl just standing in the background holding a cute little puppy just waving high as well as a Gay Prince making out with his knight.

[@Pandor25]

I see someone played final fantasy 13. :D Sooo what is a fal'cie again?

[@greghannibal]

JRPGs are like this now.

[@silvurrrboi230]

Hoyoverse games experience

[@noahclark7603]

You can never have too much lore

[@ninjason57]

Is this a shot at FF16? Because it’s true

[@pacmanshooter247]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE A REAL FACE