When iCloud Won't Let you Delete Your Data

In this video I discuss a recent bug that people have been reporting with iOS 17.5 updates that seem to be restoring photos that people have deleted from their devices, even after wiping and selling the device to a new person per apples specifications.
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[@Alvnavi]

Not your computer, not your files, remember boys, the cloud is just another man's computer

[@qlippoth13]

Could be a man in Talpiot

[@bogartwilley]

Just like the coffee mug says "REMEMBER: THERE IS NO CLOUD... IT'S JUST SOMEONE ELSE'S COMPUTER!"

[@DeckDive]

SIR YES SIR

[@BillAnt]

EVILS TOY's song Concrete Garden came to mind, it's pretty fitting. ;D kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHmlgWCfbbajorc

[@BillAnt]

Evil Toy's song Concrete Garden came to mind.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHmlgWCfbbajorc

[@Cartiisthegoat29]

The Cloud forgives but doesn't forget.

[@carnivorebear6582]

But is the cloud legion? Thats the real question here.

[@cloudkungfu]

neeeed this on a shirt!!

[@section7173]

Too many people treat important issues like a joke. And that's why corporations only get fined a few dollars and keep going - they know in a week or two people will forget due to massive consumption of entertainment and pointless social drama. It's no wonder the average consumer is the butt of the joke.

[@swagmuffin9000]

lol the cloud doesn't forgive

[@BillAnt]

@@swagmuffin9000 - Or forget. lol

[@s3rit661]

I only see a GDPR violation, EU is coming (once again)

[@kevink7529]

If this was in the EU then Apple is going to get a huge fine. If this is in the USA then the user will be blamed.

[@SL4RK]

It's just very hard to hide behind the EULA when it's not bigtech lobbyists writing the laws in your country

[@bobgoldham69]

@@kevink7529 a fine that will be smaller than the taxes they've been not-paying?

[@gjvnq]

imo this issue is big enough to justify the 4% of global turnover fine

[@rusi6219]

@@kevink7529 Americans are masters at gaslighting

[@Aether-Entropy]

iCloud is a sh** show. I’ve built better cloud infrastructure in my basement

[@acceptablecasualty5319]

Knowing Apple, I have probably built a better server backend in my 10th grade IT class. Using nothing but Ubuntu and a Government-issue Laptop.

[@theairacobra]

my nextcloud setup is more stable (back until like a week ago i used to have a script running 24/7 that checked my public ip and updated it whenever it changed because i couldnt bother setting up a ddns also i cant get collabora or mailing from the nextcloud website working lmao)

[@MarshallZPie]

Yeah, anyone with 0 computer or network knowledge can literally make their own, better iCloud by watching some KZbin tutorials, ridiculous how incompetent a trillion dollar company is.

[@LUMIN69]

@@theairacobra this is hillarious(just use tailscale or a wireguard vpn at that point lol)

[@mrx_yai1991]

or maybe dont use an iphone or apple products in general

[@stephenkolostyak4087]

"When iCloud Won't Let you Delete Your Data" More like "When Apple preserves copies of your data... for a spank bank"

[@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286]

A spank bank ? Intended for mr.cooks personal use I presume 😂😅

[@skop3609]

im a minor

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

@@skop3609then get off the net

[@alonsoACR]

​@@skop3609My biggest regret back when I was a minor was how easily I accessed KZbin (andnthe internet, more broadly) Try not to use it too much. You're old enough for many things, but you're not old enough to know what you should close and forget. To be an adult doesn't mean you get to see anything you feel the impulse to see, it's also to know what to never see. Curiosity is big at your age, and curiosity very often leads to nowhere good. I have no power over you, so this isn't about me forcing arbitrary rules on you. This channel is often fine, others not so much. Some comments mention nasty sh!t that no human should know, like "spank bank", so keep off the comment section if you can. I hope you're mature enough to discern what you shouldn't look up.

[@CrittingOut]

@@skop3609 Which mean's you'd be a target for this sort of thing. Rich people.

[@ares-deimos]

Worrying yet unsurprising...

[@Samo2970]

Touhou fan spotted

[@Fatih120]

​​@@Samo2970 Make that three

[@zachb1706]

“When you delete something, it isn’t really deleted” rings true for that post that some reddit mod tried to censor 😂

[@streettrialsandstuff]

Good thing it works both ways

[@nattyfatty6.0]

It isn't really deleted* *except for stuff you want to retrieve. That stuff's gone forever

[@crushbeast29]

Reddit moderators really are worthless creatures.

[@frankhoney3228]

Remember, kids if it not transparent don't trust it

[@RightHandedFridge]

Tupperware propaganda

[@ahmoin]

apple isn't even close to transparent. but the real question is neovim or emacs?

[@crazywarp36]

@@RightHandedFridge it translated to tupperware advertising 💀💀

[@Blox117]

learn, how to use commas

[@BillAnt]

Remember this too, if it's not in your physical possession, it ain't yours. Simple as that.

[@aquactrl1484]

Me spending $1300 for 22tb drives doesn't sound so stupid now.

[@nattyfatty6.0]

I spent $400 on a 16TB and it was junk, so I hope you fared better

[@annihilator247x]

In the great words of Louis Rossmann: Clouds are for rain --not files. Never use the cloud for anything that matters and or is private.

[@anonamos225]

You spelled his name right. Blackberry is smiling.

[@Blox117]

looie is a hypocrite

[@anonamos225]

@@Blox117 Find me one person on earth who isn't besides Richard Stallman. Even he's questionable.

[@archuserbytheway]

​@@anonamos225 I come to that channel for blackberry

[@Mario583a]

But but ... my files are of rain particles.

[@interstellarsurfer]

The NSA never forgets.

[@Anon_1003]

Reminder, always assume that any American big tech company works with the NSA.

[@qlippoth13]

@@Anon_1003 NSA treasuremap is a good indication all companies work with a global intelligence cabal.

[@Crosbie85]

Dhs… they control more of the data aspect then nsa

[@AhmedAljazwi]

That's what you get for trusting someone's else computer

[@stephenkolostyak4087]

"someone's else computer" -> Apple

[@Foga001]

Basically i wrote the same comment, found yours, deleted mine...🤣🤣🤣

[@michaeletzkorn]

It's literally on by default. If you don't know any better, your phone's data is by default sync'd without your permission.

[@jaimeizreal8810]

@@michaeletzkorn Although Mr. Steve Jobs (God rest his soul) was in control of marketing exclusively, I would still bet money that he'd be gutted right now to see what has been done with Apple's products and features, like the one you've mentioned. And if alive, he wouldn't have approved of Apple taking the direction that it's in now.

[@paradise_valley]

@@stephenkolostyak4087Tim Apple

[@skramzrave]

I work in a datacenter and I can tell you that all the big cloud companies do the same thing. None of them are safe.

[@dingusbingus8554]

Youd figure that data space is valuable. So who are they selling this data to since its apparently worth more??

[@rusi6219]

@@dingusbingus8554 drives are super cheap and at their scale it's really insignificant cost

[@Refalm]

And yet, they charge users for extra space.

[@perronosaurio-rq6xz]

Well, this is nothing related to iCloud. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

[@kezif]

@@dingusbingus8554technically its way harder to delete something from cloud storage then save to it. So much so that buying new space and marking deleted files as deleted are more viable at the back end side

[@marcosmoreira4277]

The advantages of foss before: You can share, modify and use the source code The advantages of foss now: Not triggering your PSTD by seeing pictures of your ex

[@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF]

The advantage of icloud: You can fap seeing old and deleted nude pictures of your ex. Icloud is here to give you some pleasure.

[@CeeZee001]

Or worse, shaming you because you used to have a better body 😔

[@josedorsaith5261]

​@@CeeZee001 That's a shame that can be mitigated by exercise and eating well

[@Frodo1000000]

​@@josedorsaith5261sure, it's just we are not always and forever at our best. Nice to have that in mind

[@qlippoth13]

The true power of the Eye of Providence in John Poindexter's Total Information Awareness programme is never exposed. Enjoy this leak before you are distracted with the latest media driven problem.

[@justchillin3790]

When you delete your data from a remote server, it's not actually gone. It's most likely still available from scheduled backups by the service provider. The only way to completely remove your data is for them to delete all the server backups, which compromises other customers' data.

[@pluto8404]

and dont forget your isp logged it and the nsa probably had their nose in your packets as well.

[@mrbanana6464]

​@@pluto8404 The feds are spying on Americans but they definitely don't have the capacity to store every individual packet sent over the internet. They mostly store metadata.

[@caiocc12]

They could encrypt the data with per-user keys. When a user wishes for his data to be gone, you just delete the keys, and the keys are small enough that you can periodically wipe them from the backups, or just keep "hot" backups

[@SnazzieTV]

When you load from backup. You're supposed to replay all events since. Which should delete or modify. But clearly they didn't do this. This allows removing ancient backups.

[@autohmae]

@@caiocc12 that's how it should work and is more and more happening over time I'm certain.

[@buffoonery4649]

The non stop bombardment of reminders to backup to iCloud or that your iCloud storage is getting full is insufferable, can’t say I’m surprised they are saving your data considering how determined they are to receive it

[@perronosaurio-rq6xz]

No, this is not related to iCloud, sadly, this video is spreading misinformation. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

[@uniktbrukernavn]

Google Photos is the same way, it'll ask if you want to back-up to the cloud and when you click "no thanks" it shows you a screen with all your photos selected and a big button that says "back-up". They only recently removed it (I think). They are desperate to collect all your data and to make sure that you link everything to your google account.

[@The9thMonth]

Considering they are basically harvesting it, I don't even know why they don't offer larger (or even infinite) storage, lol.

[@gullible119]

Bro if u cannot pay 99 cents for 50 gb of storage u don’t deserve to have a phone

[@buffoonery4649]

@@gullible119 Why would I pay for storage I don’t need lmao

[@FigsForYou]

Yeah, after "the fappening" people should know better by now.

[@lstsoul4376]

Explanation?

[@asdfoifhvjbkaos]

@@lstsoul4376in like 2014 everyone's icloud photos got leaked and all these celebrities nudes got out

[@YumiiSauce]

@@lstsoul4376 a bunch of ladies got their buck naked pictures leaked. was a decade ago i think

[@youtubehasbigcringe]

@@lstsoul4376 celebrities’ iCloud nudes got leaked

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@lstsoul4376 You're making me feel old 😭

[@_Pyroon_]

Imagine taking spicy pics of yourself as a kid, deleting them so you don't have some illegal materials, only to later be charged for pics you deleted as a kid.

[@mt180extras]

imagine taking spicy pics of yourself as a kid, deleting them so you don't have some illegal materials, and then finding out apple still has them and you can't do anything about it lmao

[@TokyoXtreme]

Or you bought a device from someone who took such photos, and now they somehow appeared on your device.

[@perronosaurio-rq6xz]

This video is spreading misinformation. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

[@a45987]

guys 😬

[@slaykonTK-]

​@@mt180extrassame issue lmao deleted. while having no hope thay it will deleted one day, it was better to delete them instead of letting them exist

[@vincei4252]

The cloud remembers unless it's Google cloud deleting the data for a $105bn pension fund. I -almost- feel no pity for that company at all.

[@ancientiroh]

Almost?

[@vincei4252]

@@ancientiroh fixed

[@Microtonal_Cats]

"Apple: you can't delete your work, but we will delete you commenting on our work."

[@BASHER193]

I smell an incoming lawsuit

[@arnox4554]

lol Forced arbitration. The EU may not put up with this shit though.

[@perronosaurio-rq6xz]

Not really, the explanation he gave in this video is completely misinformation. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

[@JBLZFTW]

Maybe check your pants, nothing, and I mean *absolutely* nothing will happen from this. Despite being completely illegal and unethical nothing will happen because people are too lazy to get off their couches to do something

[@Actio1210]

@@arnox4554 A lot of misinformation about an unclear situation. To give some context: All cases where this happened involved people still having those photos in their files, but not in the photos app anymore. Due to reindexing, the photos found in files have been added back to the photos app. That's it. No really deleted images have been brought back to live. No indication that apple would keep any of your photos after deletion. Just existing photos in the files app get shown in the photos app again.

[@ibmicroapple9142]

Stacy finds out the hard way that the internet, the feds and the big bois in siliglow valley do not forget. Imagine contacting customer support and having the intern manually inspect and "delete" your spicy nsfw pictures. I'd give it 10 years for them to reappear - if not on her device, it'll be on someone elses rock-hard harddrive...

[@bogartwilley]

Is it bad I read the of end that ass "Rock-hard scissor drive"?

[@iplayadofai-ug6ri]

wtf is this comment lol

[@religiousindustrialaliens]

stacy? like like like the scapegoatP song?

[@itsdokko2990]

physical storage once again being the based option

[@electron6825]

​@@iplayadofai-ug6rithey had a little bit too much fun writing it lol

[@jogurcik13]

Normies: what's the problem?

[@Justin-vq9co]

If you have nothing to hide why are you worried 🤓

[@arnox4554]

@@Justin-vq9co People who say that piss me off so much. "Ok, give me your phone and give me the password to it. I want to look through it."

[@PenguinCrayon269]

surprise backup 😂

[@ghettochicken8420]

@@Justin-vq9conothing pisses me off more than seeing someone say that😂😂😂

[@pauliusgruodis137]

​@@ghettochicken8420 I just ask them for their phone so I could go through their stuff since they have nothing to hide. Works every time.

[@raiyan8134]

Some videos I permanently deleted came back on my device. This was in 2017 and when I made a post about it on reddit, the only response was "That's impossible"

[@barnsnoble7066]

Reddit became useless for any technical discussion. It's a shame it also killed off most of the other Internet forums.

[@RageQuitSon]

This should be a HUGE lawsuit and investigation. Reddit censoring is such a Reddit thing to do. Honestly disturbing that anyone would try to cover this up when multiple people confirm the problem.

[@autohmae]

This seems to have been a mod of the sub, not Reddit

[@Quawnn]

Reddit users are usually full of shit with their made up stories on there too lol.

[@dubbayabird6680]

@@autohmae Which begs the question. is the mod an apple employee?

[@autohmae]

@@dubbayabird6680 that would be a sort of a conflict of interest, but usually it's just a fan boy.

[@oaktwig]

Update: Apple is pushing iOS 17.5.1 that "provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted."

[@arnox4554]

"photos that experienced database corruption" wat?

[@DosonTheGreat]

@@arnox4554 Does that suggest they were improperly "deleted" because of some corruption? How much of the database is corrupted then? That means Apple can't protect your privacy even if they wanted too. lmao

[@KevanTess]

library of babel moment

[@NotShaquib04]

"database corruption could make photos reappear in the photos library even if they were deleted" huh?? Bruh?? If I'm deleting something from iCloud or phone, doesn't that mean i am 'deleting' it. How can something that i deleted 4 years ago from iCloud suddenly reappear because of a bug?😭 unless apple themselves have a copy of my files, i don't think it can reappear after years being deleted 😭 my brain isn't braining anymore 💀😭

[@snikrepak]

Just don't use junk lmao super simple

[@JakeSDN]

As someone with inside information, I thought this was fixed also. This used to be far worst. It used to replicate the undeleted content. The weirder issue was that it did not necessarily count towards iCloud. It was a malfunction of something.

[@187onaPigeon]

Ah yes totally sounds like a bug. Not some pedo maniac programming it to send it somewhere where they can keep it

[@Probablyacowtbh]

tbh, the second you want to delete something I imagine a flag goes up somewhere saying "keep this forever"

[@Probablyacowtbh]

"Apple’s new iPhone update fixes a bug that resurfaced deleted nudes" lol

[@Probablyacowtbh]

The bug was that you realised it was there. Tim cook is going bonkers in his Wankorium (It's like a planetarium but far more problematic)

[@JoySingh]

Maybe they just add a flag to the image saying "deleted", but have to deletion process as well

[@noctisumbra4656]

What's up Kenny, just finished my career, hope you are doing good

[@itsdokko2990]

AYO big congratulations brother!

[@CuteSkyler]

I actually had this happen to me recently. I deleted a 23GB 4K video off my phone but it was hidden in a "deletions" secret folder because you wouldn't possibly want to delete your precious video, right? It tried to store that massive 23GB file onto my petite 5GB iCloud storage so none of my documents could be stored onto my iCloud. Thanks Apple!

[@gownerjones1450]

I mean that's just normal behavior and your phone tells you about it. You can turn it off, too.

[@rusi6219]

​@@gownerjones1450ah yes, an "optional opt-in" feature you literally have to go out of your way to opt-out of.

[@CuteSkyler]

@@gownerjones1450 Not normal behaviour when it tells me that my iCloud is only 500MB full. It never specified anywhere where that storage came from. The only reason I even found out where to look is because of forum posts.

[@crazywarp36]

Wow I switched to android just in time..

[@VADemon]

@@CuteSkyler MASSIVE video tries to FIT IN PETITE CLOUD! 4K Ultra HD!

[@bigjohn2811]

Tim Cook will own your photos and will frap to them.

[@serkandevel7828]

Isn't that Apple Authorized Repair's job to extract sensitive customer data?

[@VADemon]

I feel violated as a male...

[@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286]

I offer my ones for free, he'll be traumatised for life 😂

[@electron6825]

Frap? Gives a whole new meaning to Frappuccino

[@sikul3237]

Who let tim cook

[@MuammarQadaffi]

The only "bug" is that it reappeared, not that Apple kept them saved for years... The latter is a feature.

[@progenitor_amborella]

Yeah.. incredibly unnerving. Imagine what else this behavior applies to aside from photos. iOS 17.5.1 came out today with this as the description: “This update provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted.”

[@ashishpatel350]

They don't call him tim crook for no reason

[@xvpower]

Not an icloud issue this just got reveresed. It was a local system file recovery.

[@cassiuscartland]

UPDATE: The reasons the photos were coming back was when they had got sent in Messages

[@SimoAtlas]

They're gonna get fined again 😂😂😂 ez cash for the EU

[@gownerjones1450]

Now this is actually really interesting. Scary, yes. But I'm trying to think about what set of unusual circumstances must have led to that bug. Assuming it's not intentional, of course. So, I understand that in all of the cases, photos were not deleted from iCloud, so they were synced back to the device after an update by mistake. But what kind of makes that theory less likely is the case of the iPad. A completely wiped iPad that is then connected to a DIFFERENT iCloud account can't sync the photos in the seller's account. Instead, in the case of that iPad, the images were persisted ON the device, not in the cloud, which I find even more perplexing.

[@river559]

The files reappearing to the consumer, definitely a bug. The files never being proper deleted from apple's servers years after people delete them, that's an intentional move by apple. No different than when amazon and ring was slapped with lawsuits for the exact same thing.

[@triggeringsmuganimepfp7611]

How do you think forensic tools can dig through deletion? Even full wipes don't work if you don't use specific tools/commands to write over those sections, which is a tedious process not everyone bothers to go through.

[@Sald8Trin]

Yup, could be that the file is marked to overwrite when user deletes it. In this case after the update that flag has ben reset and photos reappered. And long gone photos from years back? If you always store your newest pictures in icloud and have 500gb iphone it's not that unlikely the photos just hanged in there, flagged. But does that make the suspicion that files in the cloud are always there, never deleted, unfounded? Hell no.

[@crazywarp36]

Of course its intentional. Privacy, thats apple.

[@VADemon]

@@Sald8Trin "Mark as deleted" is an application-level (database) thing, traditional file systems removed the entire corresponding metadata, declaring the sector as empty. In case of Apple devices I would not expect for files to be retrievable in any non-forensic way (i.e. software bug) if it was reset for selling. This process ought to delete files on the file system. What's knowingly persisted for longer is the tie to the Apple ID (like for remote control and anti-theft). Same goes for Android 5+ devices and Google Accounts (or Samsung accounts etc.)

[@kodak1587]

And people called me old fashioned for never using any cloud based storage for anything other than transferring personally unidentifiable files

[@w4439]

If the code I write for my job ever became public, id spontaneously combust from embarrassment

[@GC041]

My coding teacher used to say "the cloud is just someone else's computer"

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

"Hey everyone is just being paranoid"... Paranoia: "You were saying...."

[@Danominator]

Imagine relying on a cloud service for saving your pictures lmao

[@squaidinkarts]

Apparently it saves your pictures very well, just a little bit better than people expected

[@another-niko-pfp-holder]

iCloud photo sync is turned on by default iirc. I don't use iCloud at all and I still keep getting notifications about how full it is.

[@Maple_Tachibana]

This is why I do not upload any of my pictures on any cloud. Be it gdrive or I cloud or whatever. Save it locally ppl. Only upload pictures you wouldn’t mind staying on the net permanently.

[@MAC...]

on the flipside, one guy I know had his son accidentally delete his cloud of images and he was able to get Apple to restore them through his icloud subscription... though he had to push a bit to get them to give them....

[@Nyancat77263]

Kenny we love you thank you for the videos

[@maxben565]

Same thing with Amazon backup storage. Stay there forever.

[@AceMcCrank]

It isn't an iCloud issue - it's a hardware issue. Meaning that even without being tied to your iCloud anymore, the raw data of those photos if not overwritten will pop back up as a result of this update. Some users even stated that iPhones that they had sold to friends (so now a different iCloud account) or did not use iCloud backup on, and have had those photos returned to those devices as a result of these updates. What is happening is that these "Secure Erase"d photos aren't being securely erased, the pointers to the data location are just being removed. This is typical for hardware. The update somehow is restoring these data pointers.

[@GiorgioAresu]

This is all software, them mentioning database corruption makes me think of failed migrations on soft deleted stuff. They're not deleting it, just marking it as such in the database. It's not hardware and it's not a bug, the only bug is that users are seeing them

[@realcartoongirl]

i dont believe it when people say "it just works"

[@another-niko-pfp-holder]

It depends on the thing really... but yeah 90% of the time there's a huge catch

[@WashingtonFernandes]

We know google does the same.

[@susstevedev]

Icloud < my garbage PHP program with 5000 errors.

[@another-niko-pfp-holder]

still better than anything i'd make tbh

[@myZAN]

This is hell. It just hits right in someone's family issues.

[@08ChristianG]

ive been waiting all day because I KNEW you would make a video on this LOL

[@boriskalashnikov8595]

imagine the apple employees at the data center gooning of to some random compromising pictures(nudes) of a person, uploaded to their drive.

[@vladislavkaras491]

Well, I am not surprised! Thanks for the news!

[@redslashed]

Thanks for talking about this❤

[@FirstUsername]

this happened to me for childhood photos from early 2010s

[@squaidinkarts]

sounds bad man

[@FirstUsername]

@@squaidinkarts no

[@Cartiisthegoat29]

btw off-topic but what are your thoughts on Faroah getting arrested? He was the admin of Incognito

[@nothere928]

glad ive never used icloud before

[@magicmanchloe]

My understanding is this is not a iCloud issue, as this happened to previously wiped devices that are signed in with a different iCloud account. As well as people who do not use iCloud. you assume that someone is using a different phone just because they took this photo in 2010 but people keep their phones, especially iPhones for a long time. Apple is still providing software updates to the iPhone 6s that means there are enough people still using that phone to make it worthwhile for Apple to put in the R&N to continue to provide at least security updates for that phone. My understanding of this issue is it’s a flash Storage bug, when you erase something on flash memory it doesn’t actually delete it, it deletes the pointer in the controller marking it as available again, but it doesn’t actually overwrite the data in order to preserve longevity of the NAND flash storage. So what’s happening is devices that have not over written previously deleted photos are somehow refining these previously deleted links to the actual information and pulling them back into the Photos application.

[@EgotisticalSlug]

doesnt explain reports of deleted photos showing up on new devices though

[@paradise_valley]

@@EgotisticalSlugyeah how do you explain the sold device with the data erased? I doubt that person’s lying.

[@perronosaurio-rq6xz]

Not an iCloud issue or flash storage issue, it’s the Files app. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

[@firasrabaia]

I agree with you to some extent but as long as Apple Don't talk about it officially then nothing I can do to believe anybody 100%

[@squaidinkarts]

That's not a flash bug nor a flash issue, all memory types deletes files in this way. The only way for a file that has its pointer actually removed to be reinstated is if you run software to deliberately recover it. A bug does not just make a valid pointer appear.

[@pewnit]

A viewer on The WAN Show updated their phone live to see what happened and some of his images came back too. He didn't have iCloud updates on meaning this is much worse than just iCloud recovering photos. Also saw another guy online get images of his friend (that sold him his phone second hand) so unless the iCloud credentials were somehow still on the phone even after a clean wipe or the indexing table wasn't cleared after the factory reset, there's no explanation for it. Edit: you did talk about the second one, I spoke too soon. Also, ig it was an iPad, not an iPhone.

[@hendrx]

This does not even matter, they are still gonna buy the same device again

[@nagyba]

I had this problem years ago. My brother gave his phone to our mother, and his elementary school pictures started reappearing. At least a few.

[@Huru_]

Just checked because curiosity and yeah, weirdly enough, all of the shit I've been conscientiously deleting these past years is back. Thousands of pics. Now I get why my phone was so slow lately (haven't stored images on it for the past year at least).

[@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt]

Some prosecutor is really going to have a field day forcing Apple to give them their physical drives to search for incriminating data that has been "deleted"...

Man who would have thought

[@flipsidelimited6560]

I’m expecting Apple to make an announcement like Ubisoft… “Users need to get comfortable not owning your data.”

[@Actio1210]

A lot of misinformation about an unclear situation. To give some context: All cases where this happened involved people still having those photos in their files, but not in the photos app anymore. Due to reindexing, the photos found in files have been added back to the photos app. That's it. No really deleted images have been brought back to live. No indication that apple would keep any of your photos after deletion. Just existing photos in the files app get shown in the photos app again.

[@ArthurTheEpicGuy]

Also just like Mental outlaw said kids “Get some hard drives”

[@JazzJackrabbit]

Apple's mask slips once again

[@drayke8886]

Years ago I had similar experience with bought android. Even though it was wiped out, after logging in I had previous owners photos and other data. For few years I even was getting some of his SMS

[@Rune_scimitar]

pretty cool. hoping i can get back some old vacation photos

[@lordripage1853]

Can you talk about the iPhone side loading situation i cant find alot of information on it

[@crazywarp36]

Uhm no. Sideloading is very unsafe and will get your home virused. That's why android users have cov1d 19. (joke, although some apple users probably act like this)

[@another-niko-pfp-holder]

@@crazywarp36 I sideloaded a sanic emulator on my walmart iPad and it turned my childes atheist! Please spread the word of these vessels created by the devil to indoctrinate young minds into his gay cult! (also joke. but fr sideloading is actually the best thing i can do with my iphone now. the closest to linux-style tweaking i'll ever get there.)

[@Dom-zy1qy]

As a cloud architect I don't really know why this could be happening from a technical perspective. I feel like it could potentially be related to some sort of caching mechanism, but that seems very unlikely considering the time frame. Perhaps they don't delete the data at all, but move it to a lower cost, infrequent access storage medium? I don't know what they would stand to gain if this were intentional. Perhaps governments struck a deal with Apple, so they can spy on certain individuals?

[@coolsnake1134]

The only thing I could think of is either Apple is cooperating with the federal government and put something in place that allows the alphabet soup agencies to spy easier or one of their data centers had to have data restored from a backup which included photos that were deleted after that backup was made meaning when the backup was restored the photos came back

[@maninthesnow4393]

I know by digging through i devices, atleast old ones anything you delete you can still find inside of it. Found several pictures from that.

[@davidburke1794]

Talk about total creep factor, I used Waze while driving for work as I drive all over the state. So the creep factor is I I had to use my backup phone (personal use only) and launch google maps, and it knew what location I was supposed to drive to that day. And did that for the entire week. I didn't have my backup phone with me previously. And the backup phone didn't have waze. It's recording my movements and sharing even though they are two different accounts and service providers.

[@BradleySmith1985]

Apple HDD and storage function by deleting the index, but the index itself remains intact. This means that deleted data can potentially be recovered, as long as it hasn't been overwritten. That's why I believe all phones should come with external storage options, like micro SD cards, as a requirement. The OS drive should only hold apps, not personal data. This way, when selling a phone, the only personal data remaining would be the password and phone information like connection settings. Based on my experience with data recovery on Mac, it seems that iCloud backup operates by linking the index to the device ID, making recovery possible if the data hasn't been overwritten.

[@BradleySmith1985]

also why i never exchanged my phone unless i know it was wiped. and never had data that could be used against me.

[@robster7787]

@@BradleySmith1985never really understood the point of getting rid of old phones. People seem to forget that they’re old, but still useful. Trading in an old phone just implies that it couldn’t be afforded from the beginning.

[@nameless4637]

I reposted this onto reddit, and now I am also being censored

[@arnox4554]

Stop using Reddit. Use dedicated forums.

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

reddit is social control you think people see you but your unwanted posts are invisible to others

[@squaidinkarts]

​@@arnox4554 Isn't that what reddit is?

[@arnox4554]

@@squaidinkarts Somewhat, but it's got a bunch of cancerous features dangling off of it, chief of which is the absurdly shitty voting system.

[@WesternHypernormalization]

@@squaidinkarts No. reddit is asshoe.

[@innywymiar2887]

This deffinitely shouldn't be forgotten.

[@aarontate5262]

I can't wait for a video about MS Recall that just came out

[@violetfox115]

The fact that we now know the source of this bug this aged poorly before it even dropped

[@dawson6294]

What was the source?

[@violetfox115]

@@dawson6294 every confirmed case of this happening had the photos in question also saved to files, so the user never deleted these files in the files app when they deleted from the photos app, and a bug when re-indexing the devices storage for the update accidentally took photos from the files app and put them in the photos library. (Any claim of photos coming from previous owners and such had no proof), users that didn’t delete photos from their library that were also in files reported them being duplicated as well which lines up perfectly with this explanation

[@BedrockBlock]

Wait - are you sure you are right? Apple released an Update - for the device. You cant tell if it were photos from the cloud or from the device, which have reappeared. Those are just Reddit posts. Im sure we will get more information soon. In another video it is beeing said that "This problem is caused, because of the photos app" It has nothing to do with iCloud.

[@another-niko-pfp-holder]

How does them being on the device make the situation better? They appeared as deleted, so they could also appear after resetting, maybe after you've already sold the phone. Also, just because another person on the internet said it's an issue with the photos app doesn't mean it's true. It could be that or something else. I don't think we have enough information to be sure just yet.

[@DeepFriedOreoOffline]

I don't think that data being in the cloud is necessarily a bad thing. However, the way it's managed by Apple is definitely not great. Anything that you upload to the cloud should be encrypted, and things that you upload to iCloud are encrypted, however, in the case of iCloud, the master encryption key is held by Apple, not the user. The reason end-to-end encryption is so powerful is because, as long as your master key is good enough, not even the maintainer of the service you're using can access your data. But with iCloud they encrypt it for you, and not only does that mean they have ownership over your data, that also means that at some point between leaving your device and being stored on the cloud, or vice-versa, the data is traveling unencrypted.

[@thookie118]

This is also a huge problem for Companys. We for example have IOS Phones provided by work that we are allowed to have secret data on. When they reach the end of the Leasing cycle they get wiped and sold second hand. So there could be secret data getting spillen by this.

[@CurrentYearAnalog-hp7kb]

I uploaded Pepe the Frog Honklers until storage was full.

[@lamproskostopoulos365]

Just switch to non apple phones people. Your life will be so much better

[@hidalgobc]

lol

[@KrisRogos]

The scary part is that there are 2 issues here, not 1. - Old pictures from previous devices appearing on your new device means they are kept server-side side, and if they are encrypted, the key is tied to your account - Old pictures from your account appear on the device once someone else is signed in. It means copies are also stored locally, and if they are encrypted, the key is tied to the device but not your account. This leads me to believe that either your photos (and likely other data) are not encrypted at all or that the encryption keys are permanent and stored in multiple places.

[@testC2N14]

is that the lena image?, been awhile sense i;ve seen the full thing and hard to tell what it looks like (the lena image is a very ifnuecntal image int he comtper science. basicaly the eqivlent to I in programing and used to found image formates)

[@drumboy02]

why was the post deleted by mods?

[@ajuiceboxxx]

damage control

[@akg_table]

Because it was misinformation. Mental Outlaw is every day turning more into a conspiracy/edgy youtube channel. If you look at the subreddit now, you can see people talking about the issue and explanations regarding it, but Mental Outlaw did not want to go into those details for some reason.

[@Anon_1003]

@@akg_table How is it misinformation?

[@akg_table]

@@Anon_1003 You can view an accurate assessment of whats going in the top post in that subreddit, or by searching the issue on youtube. You certainly wont get told whats actually going on by Mental Outlaw; rage sells, unexciting explanations does not sell.

[@drumboy02]

@@Anon_1003 yes I'd like to know

[@reg4j298]

The EU will not like that

[@MusicaX79]

Haven't watched this yet, but as someone that has put apps on the apple store, and the fact they have soft delete policy being required for all apps. This is no surprise.

[@cyrilio]

With Google when I ask for a GDPR download of all my data Google has. It's about 130 GB. Used to use Google Photos as a backup and have uploaded a bunch of KZbin videos, but still. Thats a crazy amount of data google has on me.

[@Computerdude323]

We used to live our entire digital lives on just a fraction of that... 130 GB for just one guy's backup is crazy. Now the NSA's exabyte-scale datacenter makes so much more sense.

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

Me as a non-Apple user: Lol.

[@rudysmith1552]

Lol wherever Apple goes the rest of big Tech follows if Google hasn't already been storing your deleted data without your consent. The only crime they did was get caught.

[@qlippoth13]

@@rudysmith1552 Have you ever heard of Total Information Awareness or BT's Soul Catcher 2025? Google is a military asset but not an asset of America.

[@lofiplays_live]

What do you use then? Android? google photos?

[@rusi6219]

@@lofiplays_live polaroid

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

@@lofiplays_live But, but Google would never do that!!!1!

[@ItsHedge]

Whack. So glad I left that ecosystem early

[@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360]

Do I understand correctly that there are no storage limits for deleted data and user can upload and delete images 24/7?

[@memeconnect4489]

DoingFedTimes Made a respond video for the video you made about drones

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

A couple of days ago, I saw a statistic that Apple owns over half the smartphone market. Depressing.

[@Cowanaudio]

Not even close. They have just over 1/4 of the market.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@Cowanaudio Still too much

[@robster7787]

Its not just iCloud. My iPad has iCloud turned off and it still did this. So I wouldn’t rule it as soley an iCloud problem. It seems to be an Apple problem regarding a glitch.

[@king_james_official]

not really a good example for foss superiority since it's a cloud issue and noone opensources the cloud but i get your point

[@hiddenlawyer]

Wow, I picked a great time to de-Apple! I am on the road of getting rid of all big tech, and segregating/compartmentalizing the individual services as much as I can (such as YT). No Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, I'm sick of being treated like livestock.