When is a Keto or Low Carb Diet NOT Beneficial?

[@MarmaladeINFP]

This is a trick question. There is no time when it's not beneficial to be on a lower carb diet, whether very low-carb or moderate low-carb. But the key part is knowing what level of lower carb intake is most beneficial for your specific body type, health status, metabolic functioning, lifestyle, and purpose. So, your optimal carb level might shift over time and depending on context. Experiment with it and observe the results; then adjust and experiment further. In general, there is no reason to worry about not getting enough carbs. As long as one is getting adequate micronutrients and macronutrients, then one should be fine. After all, there is no such thing as an essential carb. With sufficient protein in the diet, a metabolically healthy body will produce no more or less glucose than the body needs. Besides, as others note, it's impossible to avoid carbs entirely since all foods, even meat and particularly dairy, contains carbs. One thing that is clear is that a long-term high-carb diet is never healthy, although it might be useful to temporarily increase glucose during an intense athletic competition. Even in that case, a low-carb diet will help one be insulin sensitive which will promote more effective use of glucose. I'll on an irregular occasion eat some carbs, such as on a special occasion (holidays, birthday, etc). Then I'll usually follow that up with some fasting.

[@Appleblade]

"There is no such thing as an essential carb (for humans)" is a great nutritional principle if it's true, but is it? IDK ... Paul Saladino says he hears a lot of reports of glucose creeping up from 70s in to 80s, 90s, and then hundreds on zero carb diets, and theorizes that the body might signal muscles to become insulin resistant in order to spare glucose for red blood cells and the brain. Is it harmful to have glucose in the 100s? He thinks so... Ben Bikman recently said he doesn't... that under 150 used to be considered normal but that doctors perhaps lowered the recommended fasting glucose level in order to sell more drugs. : / Anyway... to me it's an academic concern. I just do what our evolutionary predecessors no doubt did: I eat some carbs once in a while, in the form of fruit... like blueberries (once in a while means like, once a month ;). I don't really enjoy doing it, but my thousands of Pleistocene fathers and mothers were not the Inuit... they lived in northern Europe ... they ate some fruit when they were lucky enough to find it.

[@CarisaRealtor]

The pro metabolic crowd would argue that 😆 I think lower carb is essentially appropriate for most people too.

[@cantCComment]

check out BART KAY when it comes to "insulin resistance" on low carb. bart is an actual scientist whos very knowledgeable about human physiology. hes a nutritionist and is now a retired professor doing stuff on youtube another good source of info would BEN BIKMAN. hes an actual scientist whos done research on insulin resistance. this is what hes specialized on. hes probably the best source of info when it comes to insulin resistance. the thing is, "insulin resistance" is an important feature of the body. it kicks in when cells are replete of energy. its not necessarily a problem. the problem is a bad lifestyle. a symptom of that might be chronic insulin resistance. who knows why? maybe its to protect cells from glycation damage? theres also the theory of red blood cells living longer in the context of a healthy diet. in that case, your average blood sugar levels will seem high because of how the measurements are taken

[@Jerry_TheFitnessMessiah]

You all need to eat more.

[@Jerry_TheFitnessMessiah]

You all need to eat more.

[@michellefriedmann8897]

I would love to hear a conversation with you and Dr. Ben Bikman

[@Aura-us7jl]

Me too !!!

[@TheAnnestube]

Yep, that would be very interesting

[@fazilm1]

The diet thing has become so complex that one would need to make it a full time study and still get it wrong...

[@Jewlz4ever]

So true, ugh. Wish it were simpler.

[@lightbeingpontifex]

Should create diet based on personal goals ie weight loss fat loss weight gain muscle gain etc

[@gabe5319]

Animal protein, lots of vegetables, some fruit. Healthy fats. That’s the foundation. Doesn’t have to be complicated. With all the info out there I understand why it feels complicated

[@cynthiagilbreth1352]

Very simple, whole foods, no carbs, no seed oils.

[@bidnow2946]

It takes about three days of carb loading to regain carb tolerance and normalize insulin production per Dr. Phinney and many, many testimonials I have read.

[@lightbeingpontifex]

Eventually after about an hour the body remembers to make insulin,,,,compared to someone who eats high carb everyday,,

[@christine1962ful]

Can you point me to where I can kearn about carb cycling on YT? Or the best speakers on this subject? I did keto before and lost a lot of weight, but went back to carbs and gained weight. I'm now trying low carbs again but not as strict as keto. Thinking of going back to keto but carb cycling long so I get the best of both worlds.

[@lightbeingpontifex]

@@christine1962ful never seen a video on it but i carb cycle once a week,,, i go low fat high carb the whole day 4xs a month,,

[@pnchong9596]

There is so much ambiguity in this short interview that one cannot make any sensible practical conclusion as regarding what to eat. The keto diet is not zero carb diet, and as someone wrote, proteins will also stimulate insulin release. We also need to ask the question, "why does one want to go back to a carbohydrate diet after being on the keto diet?" Isn't that illogical? But there is a precedence for very low keto eating and yet good health. I am talking about the Inuits. The Pima Indians might have been healthy on their ancestral diet, which is likely to be low carbs. And it appears that they remained well as long as they eat their ancestral food. But once introduced to a high carb diet, they became diabetics. It seems possible and perhaps their years of eating low carbs led to a low insulin production, which could not keep up with the introduction of the western high carb diet. So is the low carb ancestral fault that led to the Pima Indians developing diabetes after they ate the western high carb diet? Or is it more likely that their "fault" lies in their eating the western diet, which is quite different from their ancestral diet?

[@alphacause]

Since protein stimulates insulin production, albeit at a lower rate than carb consumption would elicit, it stands to reason that a low carb diet with adequate amounts of protein would stimulate enough insulin to keep the pancreatic beta cells active and avoid the atrophy that may come from strict keto diets which are sometimes too low in protein.

[@Uppaah]

Very much so, I get a decent insulin spike from Whey Iso that will give me reactive hypo symptoms if post workout at end of a fast…

[@tarski3939]

Which is why I think keto is more optimal at 60/35/5 roughly as opposed to 70/20/10.

[@TheAnnestube]

That's exactly what I've said to keto people, when they're bashing the Atkins diet for being too high in protein.

[@lightbeingpontifex]

Higher protein is not enough to stimulate beta cells and not lose the ability to process carbs and sugar long term,,, body literally forgets to release insulin after eating carbs from long term keto / carnivore,,,

[@cantCComment]

i agree with that. there are folks out there whos been talking about the low protein intake peopIe have on low carb diets. if youre low carb, and your protein intake is 15% or even 10% or less of your total intake, then youre definitely not getting enough protein. some folks like ted naiman, bart kay and others advocate for higher protein intake. maybe around 30%. if you want to get leaner, then you go 35% or higher.

[@ab3585]

Getting a degree in nutrition is like getting a degree in spirituality very controversial and full of questions and everyone is having a different experience

[@tanyasydney2235]

LOL, very true.

[@lf7065]

As per Dr. John Douillard here on KZbin, we are meant to eat seasonally. We are only in Ketosis in Spring. In Summer, we do best high carb, low fat. In winter, higher fat, meats and warming grains. This makes most sense, of course, in more northern climates where we go through seasonal changes.

[@tarski3939]

One would be in ketosis in winter as well in the above scenario. It would only be summer time and early fall when the fruit is ripe that high carb diet would be more common.

[@realperson6201]

Fructose builds fat to prepare for winter scarcity. Fruit and grain available late summer to fall.

[@truthwins9459]

Apparently it takes a few days to become glucose tolerant again when carbs are introduced after being low carb or keto for a while.

[@Jewlz4ever]

This would make sense. Like how it takes a few days to get fully into ketosis, it can take a few days to also come out of it once you reintroduce carbs.

[@Aura-us7jl]

I have reversed pre-diabetes and NAFLD with Keto. Eating carbs again would be like eating poison.

[@cantCComment]

they also fail to take into account that most folks who end up with health issues on keto actually eat too much fat, and too little protein. ive been on and off low carb since 2019, and strictly since 2022. i have no health issues since i do NORMAL low carb/keto. all i eat is just meat. sometimes eggs and vegetables too. this diet works. if i do a weird version of keto like pouring olive oil on everything i consume, then yes, i might end up with health issues. lol!!

[@cantCComment]

check out BART KAY when it comes to "insulin resistance" on low carb. bart is an actual scientist whos very knowledgeable about human physiology. hes a nutritionist and is now a retired professor doing stuff on youtube another good source of info would BEN BIKMAN. hes an actual scientist whos done research on insulin resistance. this is what hes specialized on. hes probably the best source of info when it comes to insulin resistance. the thing is, "insulin resistance" is an important feature of the body. it kicks in when cells are replete of energy. its not necessarily a problem. the problem is a bad lifestyle. a symptom of that might be chronic insulin resistance. who knows why? maybe its to protect cells from glycation damage? theres also the theory of red blood cells living longer in the context of a healthy diet. in that case, your average blood sugar levels will seem high because of how the measurements are taken.

[@bradstonestreet9940]

A person needs to intermittent fast and do carb cycling. Raise carbs every couple of months for 2-3 weeks.

[@bidnow2946]

I have been following the keto / LCHF discussions for over eight years, and this is the first time I have heard anybody suggest that beta cell quantity might be impacted by the diet. Since the issue with Type 2 Diabetes and pre-diabetes is excessive insulin production and a significant workload for those same beta cells, I doubt that this would happen. However, this is an interesting hypothesis.

[@Ooops1984]

Eat and exercise according to your health requirements and whats sustainable. Its nearly impossible to avoid carbs in some fashion. I like under 30g carbs/ day. That should keep your pancreas active enough. load up on meat, whole eggs, REAL Cheese, broccoli, cauliflower, even steak umms are great, carbmaster yogurt, pork chops...hell enjoy some full fat ice cream once in awhile. If you like to eat, you better love to exercise. Eat less on days your not exercising. Keep it simple :-)

[@fantasticallyfit6030]

I’m age 55 chiropractor and figure athlete. In an attempt to lower A1C I went keto. I now realize my diet and exercise was the reason for the high A1C. My fasted insulin is always low. Now I can’t handle any carbs without a huge sugar spike. I very concerned and want to fix this.

[@Aura-us7jl]

Keto can only lower your A1C.

[@fantasticallyfit6030]

Aura. Not always. Too high of protein, which is individual, can be converted to glucose as well as the glycerol backbone of fatty acids. Exercise can cause spike in blood sugar. Nor epinephrine, epinephrine and cortisol increase Gluconeogenis.

[@lightbeingpontifex]

High glycemic carbs or sugars will always have high insulin spike especially if combined with fat

[@cantCComment]

check out BART KAY when it comes to "insulin resistance" on low carb. bart is an actual scientist whos very knowledgeable about human physiology. hes a nutritionist and is now a retired professor doing stuff on youtube another good source of info would BEN BIKMAN. hes an actual scientist whos done research on insulin resistance. this is what hes specialized on. hes probably the best source of info when it comes to insulin resistance. the thing is, "insulin resistance" is an important feature of the body. it kicks in when cells are replete of energy. its not necessarily a problem. the problem is a bad lifestyle. a symptom of that might be chronic insulin resistance. who knows why? maybe its to protect cells from glycation damage? theres also the theory of red blood cells living longer in the context of a healthy diet. in that case, your average blood sugar levels will seem high because of how the measurements are taken.

[@cantCComment]

@@fantasticallyfit6030 when your protein intake is high, your blood glucose goes up NOT because of the protein, but because of glucagon. it is a misconception that the protein is what directly raises your blood sugar. truth is, most of the blood sugar produced through gluconeogenesis is actually made from fat. this is the reason why you dont die when fasting. you constantly have a constant supply of glucose derived from fat. protein is mostly preserved in the body. its used for your cells, blood, tissues, organs. your lipoproteins, enzymes, anti-oxidants mucous membranes, etc. there is a limit to how much protein a human can store in his body. your body does NOT want to use precious protein as an energy source. instead, fat, which is mostly used as energy, is prioritised for glucose production. your body btw, is very efficient at this. gluconeogenic amino acids are what triggers glucagon release. glucagon will release energy from your cells. glucose from the liver, and fat from your fat cells. some of the fat will be used to produce glucose. this is NOT necessarily a bad thing, especially in the context of non-diabetics. if glucagon does not go up when you eat alot of protein, you will collapse and pass out. glucagon is there to counteract the effects of insulin, to keep your body in homeostasis

[@location5152]

isnt that solved by eating adequate amounts of protein which some of the aminos are insulogenic?

[@duststorm7287]

I strict carnivore. My fasting insulin is less than 4 always. Many times 2. My blood sugars were perfect but now my A1c is 8 after being under 5 for a long time. I don't care as my health is still perfect. No drugs no doctors needed except checkups. 66 years old, feel 30. Carnivore is the way. Don't care what the medical community says or if my blood glucose goes to 500. High insulin kills you, not high glucose. Taking insulin is a death sentance.

[@fantasticallyfit6030]

Actually high glucose does kill you!

[@duststorm7287]

@@fantasticallyfit6030 not as fast as high insulin.will. Glucose control with insulin is pure stupidity.

[@SeoulUnohana]

I followed Dave Palumbo's Ketogenic diet when losing weight. High in Protein and moderate in fat. I stopped when the weight stayed the same for months. Now I do a low carb diet, so it is not torture by any means. I do like Gabrielle's flexibility though. Some are to the absolute death with one diet.

[@daralelaina]

Ok, how much carbs/how many times?What type of carbs?

[@ChrisTietjen_00]

At 6:03; you're not really looking for insulin to go into the muscle cell. Insulin attaches to a surface receptor which in turn activates phosphoinositide 3-kinase. PI3 kinase activates GLUT4 which is already inside the cell. The GLUT4 migrates to the cell surface, penetrates it from the inside to the degree necessary to receive the glucose from the plasma and thereafter recedes back into the cell with the claimed cargo. At 5:47 the suggestion is made that it is "easy enough to measure insulin levels" but everything I read about measuring insulin levels appears to be rather complicated. It would be nice if you could say what length of time you are considering to be "a long term carnivore (or keto diet)". Is it days, weeks, months, or years? Without some expressed boundaries much of the discussion devolves into free-association babble. From Frayn/Evans 4th ed., pg.29; "...indeed reliance on fatty acids for oxidation does lead to cataplerosis: if a cell were to derive its energy entirely from fatty acids, eventually cataplerotic depletion of the TCA cycle intermediates would occur due to ongoing utilisation of the intermediates by other pathways combined with the inability of the fatty acids (acetyl groups) to 'top up' the same cycle intermediates." further on in the same paragraph, "Anaplerosis has to occur from carbohydrates or (glugenic) amino acids..." Overall, you do appear to be trying to drive a square peg into a triangular hole. I keep checking in though to see how it's going.:-)

[@drkstatom]

Great video! Heard Dr. Al Danenberg talk about he eats carbs once a week to get out of ketosis. But is high fat carnivore the rest of the time.

[@tomhitchcock8195]

You’re all over the place Dr Berg healthy keto and intermittent fasting are the way

[@fazilm1]

Dr..Berg takes the complexity out it and it works.

[@lightbeingpontifex]

The problem is we say goodbye to carbs and sugar forever,,,

[@cantCComment]

check out BART KAY when it comes to "insulin resistance" on low carb. bart is an actual scientist whos very knowledgeable about human physiology. hes a nutritionist and is now a retired professor doing stuff on youtube another good source of info would BEN BIKMAN. hes an actual scientist whos done research on insulin resistance. this is what hes specialized on. hes probably the best source of info when it comes to insulin resistance. the thing is, "insulin resistance" is an important feature of the body. it kicks in when cells are replete of energy. its not necessarily a problem. the problem is a bad lifestyle. a symptom of that might be chronic insulin resistance. who knows why? maybe its to protect cells from glycation damage? theres also the theory of red blood cells living longer in the context of a healthy diet. in that case, your average blood sugar levels will seem high because of how the measurements are taken.

[@DodjiSeketeli]

An alternative to this is to achieve the daily ketogenesis by doing fasting + fasted exercice, every day. That combination makes my ketones raise daily. Then, at the end of the fasting window, have a meal that contains carbs, proteins and fats, stimulating insulin and muscle anabolism. Been doing that for years and the "glucose sparring" effect I was seeing when doing keto is no more. My glucose levels are nice and low most of the day and I am happy with it.

[@Jewlz4ever]

What do your meals look like, if I may ask?

[@DodjiSeketeli]

@@Jewlz4ever My meals are all meat (or fish, eggs) based. Most of the time, it'll be a beef stew, made of a slowly cooked (pressure cooker) meat, with bones, oignons, carrots, ginger and othee spices. Some times it'll be some braised meat, with some vegetables. Or some whole while caught fish baked in the oven, or some huge omelet. Then I'll eat some in-season fruits, or dried fruits like dates. Sometimes some wine, rhum or whisky. I weigh myself daily. If my weight is up, I'll dial the alcohol down. I eat once a day at night when work and training is over. During the day, I'll drink black coffee, sometimes green tea, and do a weekly 42h fast. I am a 45yo male, 174cm tall, I weight between 72 and 73kg and I am at around 10% body fat all year round. Most importanty, I am used to this way of life so I am almost never hungry during they day. I don't make any effort to stay away from food during the day. I cook lunch for my kids with no problem. And every single day has a happy ending, with the huge tasty family dinnner.

[@Jewlz4ever]

@@DodjiSeketeli thank you! In terms of eating fruit, how much would you say you eat per day?

[@DodjiSeketeli]

@@Jewlz4ever I eat a maximum of 100gr of sugar per day coming from fruits (2 apples, 2 oranges tonight). But then I trained fasted during the day today and I spent around 1000kcal (ran 5kms and then went to my karate training, all fasted). By tomorrow afternoon, I should register some ketones again before my training.

[@Jewlz4ever]

@@DodjiSeketeli interesting, thank you for sharing that with me!

[@enolauke]

And how to achieve optimum health in our 20s to improve quality of life

[@samuelvilane8538]

Unless you are eating laboratory food like a lab rat most of the natural food comes with some degree of carbohydrates. In any case our livers and less extent kidneys make the obligatory glucose our bodies need .

[@enolauke]

What dietary changes should I do in my mid 20s to ensure my future health is better 🤔

[@ellek6505]

Dr Mike Eades was saying that low carb diet cause insulin resistance back in the mid 90's. I am definitely concerned about it. After 3 years keto/carnivore my insulin levels and HOMA IR are extremely low. But if I add carbs, and sugar addiction gets turned on and appetite destabilizes. I noticed that Dr Cywes calls it "insulin suppression," since it's not "resistance," it's just not being produced. It feels like a catch 22. Gonna die of "something" I guess.

[@koof1776]

Do you consider the broad spectrum of metabolic differences / abilities from Individual to Individual?

[@Darwin973]

Years ago there was a popular concept "metabolic flexibility" where the body could alternate between using glucose and fat as fuel sources. Sounds like that could be beneficial depending on individual needs, metabolic state and circumstances.

[@firmaforex]

Why do we have sweet taste on the tongue? To guide us to natural sweet food like fresh fruits I think. There is big difference between natural slow carbs with low insulin stimulation and fast unnatural carbs with high insulin stimulation.

[@martarico186]

I'm carnivore fo 7 months. I have an ileostomy and find that the diet is optimal for the stoma but I fi d my glucose levels rising lately from 80's to 90's at fasting. I do weights 2- 3 times weeklt and walking the other days. Very active person. Have been gaining weight lately even after cheking macros and calories. How can I speak with dr. Gabriel or one of your coaches about this and get some feedback. Thanks

[@valroman1691]

Would this explain, possibly, why those who have been a strict Keto Diet and then go off the diet gain weight so rapidly?

[@springteen3743]

Not true. You got the wrong information or trying to promote misinformation. Myself and friends had never got the weight back after 7 years of keto, on the contrary I sometimes try hard to gain weight so I try to eat bread in which I hate in order to gain weight but still My burn it all so is difficult for me to get fat now and I used to be 30 pounds overweight. 😬

[@maureengreer543]

Great discussion. ...would love to hear more research on this. Thank you

[@emale03]

Two hot smart docs- Kudos

[@abumyaseen]

Can you please refer to professor Bart Kay in New Zealand. He will be able to address these issues. He's on KZbin too.

[@darrenpronk2665]

It's not just carbs that trigger insulin, Even eating protein stimulates insulin release

[@ruthhaugan6378]

Dr. Lyon / Dr. Jazmin - If one has been eating very low carb (generally less than 20 gr. / day) for 6+ months) and now upon learning that long term severe carb restriction (doing healthy KETO + IF for weight loss…addressing my morbid obesity) may create “glucose intolerance” or other issues, how do I raise my healthy carb intake without causing weight gain or the issues you have discussed in this video?. I have 55-60 lbs left to lose…never been diabetic or diagnosed as pre-diabetic despite my obesity, but have never tolerated (processed or starchy) carbs well - would get rapid and significant weight gain since very young childhood. That being said, I definitely ate more than 150 gr of carbs / day, but not 300 plus daily. My thought was to increase by 10 gr. / day and after 3 weeks increase another 10, etc. up to 50 gr. during this weight loss phase. Thoughts?

[@ThePoopyboy11]

There are people who have been strict carnivore for over a decade and have no known issues. I wouldn't worry too much about it if you are only 6 months in. This was an interesting discussion but I think it asks more questions than it answers. I would not jump to any scary conclusions based on this discussion alone.

[@miklimecat9636]

Is there a longer conversation of this? More please 🙂👍

[@geraldfrank1630]

I like that Keto Kamp calls it keto flexible. Good stuff. 🙏

[@kimdavis7812]

Super informative Dr. Lyon… please define cyclical? Weekly, monthly, etc? & does this change for post menopausal women? Thank you sincerely 🙏

[@cantCComment]

our ancestors did experience a kind of cyclical ketosis. based on the stable nitrogen and carbon isotopes discovered on ancient non-agricultural humans, we see that their diet was HYPERCARNIVORE. meat intake was incredibly high, around 70-100% of the diet. throughout most of the year, they were in a state of ketosis. only time they ate plants was when they were in season. whenever they did... they got out of ketosis. its only just before winter that they ate berries and stuff. back in the day, this wasnt unhealthy since the berries actually helped in fat gain and that made it easier to survive the harsh winters. once the berries are gone, they go back to a normal meat only diet

[@Hairbytyra.s]

Lower your carbs. DONT ELIMINATE THEM 🙄

[@hidekifrazier9466]

On carnivore diet and my blood sugar was going lower and all of the sudden it started to go up Like she is saying

[@johnmatera6074]

Dr. Ben Bikman explains in details the ability of the beta cells in pancreas to stay dormant over long term keto diet. They never lose their ability to produce insulin. May take a few days after reintroduction of carbs.

[@tammy96]

love this collab; do more.

[@CarbageMan]

Randle Cycle. It scares carb burners.

[@markgransbury8377]

Hi how much protein do believe a body can assimilate per meal?

[@condoriris6286]

Attractive scientists are the best teachers

[@davideyre5339]

Hi, thank you for your very informative videos. I have one question, you often refer to carbohydrates but I have not heard you discuss the difference between simple carbs such as bread, pasta and more complex carbs such as vegatables. I am on a high protien/high fat diet but I also eat a lot of salads vegatables. Does eating a lot of vegatables quality as sufficient carbs to negate the effects you are talking about?

[@ep1837]

Such a great question by you, I have been searching the same information, but nobody seems to say it with certainty. I hope you had your response.

[@Jewlz4ever]

I think it would depend if your vegetables were starchy or not.

[@TheAnnestube]

I would look into Healthy Keto as explained by dr Sten Ekberg and dr Berg and dr Ben Bikman to get a real answer to that question.

[@rosalindolson8688]

I just don't know what to eat. 😞

[@annfraley-mylife]

It's important to realize that Dr. Alexis admits that they have no idea whether this loss of beta cell function actually happens, and if it does, she offers no ideas as to how long it would take to start producing sufficient insulin again.

[@erickhoustonian]

Seems more like Glucose intolerance than insulin resistance as I was on keto for more than 6 months and anytime i would try to eat very low carbs over the weekend I would feel getting fat right away, One more variant could be since your lean muscle mass goes low on keto and you cannot build new muscle so you gain fat fast, thats my opinion, thanks Gabrielle for making great videos, I learnt a lot from your videos!

[@lightbeingpontifex]

Fat is 9 calories per gram every gram of carb attaches 4 grams of water to itself,,, so eat 1 pound of carbs gain 5 pounds immediately,,,

[@erickhoustonian]

@@lightbeingpontifex you are right, thats why it is easy to loose that coz lot of it is water weight not fat compared to eating dietary fat which can easily be stored as body fat, thats my experience

[@lightbeingpontifex]

Lean muscle does not go low on keto glucose and water in the muscle do,,, and you can build new muscle on keto with exercise and you can gain fat fast if you go over your daily calorie expenditure,,,ie eating 3200 calories of fat and protein but only burning 1800_2100,,,

[@cantCComment]

sounds too me that your protein intake was probably insufficient. i actually gained muscle while on keto. only health issues i had was in the beginning. since then, my "high protein" keto had been working well for me. ive never been healthier ever in my life prior to this. my "high protein" keto isnt actually high protein. its moderate protein. around 30-35%. its the same stuff folks like ted naiman and bart kay advocate for. most keto peopIe dont eat enough protein. also, plant protein DOES NOT COUNT. i only count animal based, whole food protein. meat and eggs!

[@erickhoustonian]

Ted naiman great guy to follow, according to him as long as you prioritize protein rest can be carb or fat based on individual preference

[@milanpintar]

she has a hypothesis probably using the same reasoning why doctors recommend carbs to diabetics. Crazy

[@donduick6423]

lean protein can still send your insulin levels up to 45 percent

[@wenzer2001]

If anyone has any advice regarding this topic, please reply to this comment, it would be very helpful. My morning fasting glucose is usually between 80-85. I am not diabetic, but I like to know where I am in regards to my health. I recently tried eating steak and eggs (both cooked in butter) for breakfast with half an avocado. I noticed that this type of breakfast made me feel very sleepy, which surprised me. I tested my glucose at the two hour mark and it was 80. Is this good, bad or neutral? Do some people need to ease their way into doing low carb?

[@stephendesrosiers86]

I’m sorry, but I didn’t grasp any of this because my A.D.D was too distracted by the audio only coming into my left ear…

[@GoneCarnivore]

Fasting glucose rising over time. I have no business giving my opinion but here it is anyway. I believe our body gets better at gluconeogenesis leading to higher glucose levels. Or perhaps the Glucogon signal is magnified over time.

[@jennifergianakos]

Great topic of conversation! My boyfriend is about to begin Keto. He'd like for me to do it with him, as I am the cook in our relationship:) I am on the fence. I knew I could seek clarity by watching 1 of your podcasts. Thank you🙂

[@dejanasimic517]

Great video!!

[@thadpoehl858]

Good show. A "bit quick" in the presentation of so many new words, for us old duffs at least, but by the by, very well done with your guest. One suggestion, move the camera back "just a bit," and I do mean only a bit. When I'm sitting THAT close to lovely ladies like the two of you, I keep reaching for my drink! ;-) Simple question really... Inmates have some of the highest T levels of any demographic in the US. Yet they seldom get a good night's rest, they are continually cooking food in the microwave in plastic, they live in a very high stress environment, they workout daily to failure (that's their formula for getting jacked), their food is slop, their diet is high carb, low protein, and moderate levels of fat, their protein sources are primarily peanut butter, tuna, and powdered milk, and they eat a caloric deficit usually. So howcumiziet they defy every single high T convention declared by modern medicine and sports science yet still enjoy these muscle building, invigoratingly high T levels? Thanking you in advance as I have yet to find a doctor, physical therapist, dietician, sports physiologist, or personal trainer who will even acknowledge the question, let alone answer it.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

That is an interesting thought about inmates. But there are some advantages to prison life. Prison management actually does tend be careful about adequate nutrition, in a way many Americans don't get on a standard American diet outside of prisons. I'm willing to bet that prisoners have lower rates of nutritional deficiencies than the general non-prison population. That would make for an interesting experiment. Prisoners also get regular checkups, medical treatments, and needed medications in a way they likely wouldn't if they weren't in prison. They're also provided shelter and, even if they work out to failure, they are getting more exercise than the general population as well. So, even though it's obviously an imperfect environment, it is in many ways far better than the crappy environment so many in the outside world live in. Think about how many of these prisoners come from poverty. Even the water they're drinking and the air they're breathing is probably cleaner in the prison than in the poor communities they often come from (e.g., lower rates of heavy metals like lead). It's relative. As many have noted, almost any other diet and lifestyle is better than the standard American diet and lifestyle.

[@thadpoehl858]

@@MarmaladeINFP Your logic and rationale is sound sir but I think your citations of fact are far from the reality. Medical attention to inmates is NEVER timely and SELDOM appropriate for the problem or issue. Now I will agree that some, if not many, had ZERO medical care prior to their incarceration so to your point, it is a step up. Sadly, most do cite the fact that their drinking water is noticeably dirtier and more aromatic than the water outside of the prison. Many of the prisons are infested with mold at epidemic levels, especially in the south. Their diet is marginal at best but it does appear to be balanced by the by and for sure they do operate on consistent caloric deficits. The one thing they do get in prison that they do not in their ordinary lives is structure and schedule, which you adroitly cited. Because of that structure, they find it easier to engage in self-care and bodily maintenance (exercise, hygiene, and the like) regularly and daily. And I think your point is one that is overlooked and too readily discounted in the social dynamics of incarceration, routine/structure. And some do respond to that change in their lives often citing that their lives on the street were chaotic at best. So I would conclude that a structured and ordered life coupled with your summation that almost any diet and lifestyle is better than the Standard American Diet/lifestyle are at the core of these results.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

@@thadpoehl858 - It was just a speculative thought. But I would be curious to see an analysis of data of health conditions among both prison and non-prison populations, specifically comparing against the populations where most of the prisoners came from. I do know that prisoners on average have higher rates of lead toxicity than the general public. But most of that lead toxicity probably came from before they entered prison. So, to get at meaningful info, we'd need to look at the lead toxicity rates of those of similar demographics who didn't get into prison and what happens to lead toxicity rates while incarcerated. Or maybe do a long-term study where lead toxicity rates are measured from childhood into adulthood and where data is kept on IQ, educational attainment, criminal record, etc. Then try to find patterns between those who end up in prison and those who don't, along with seeing if there are changes in health during incarceration. It would be hard to do with all of the confounding factors.

[@thadpoehl858]

@@MarmaladeINFP Well said sir. I just think that we have this incredible "captive population" if you will, that is rife for study and learning about what truly does and does not work with human physiology, diet, hygiene, and exercise. There is so much anecdotal evidence from that population that flies in the face of modern science's proscriptions for exercise, diet, T levels, and the like. I do think that our modern fascinations with keto, HIIT, lo-carb, and the like overpowers the evidence to the contrary. Pleased to make your acquaintance sir...

[@MarmaladeINFP]

@@thadpoehl858 - Using captive populations was not uncommon in past research. This involved not only prisoners but hospital patients, asylum residents, military personnel, etc. I suspect this kind of research now has a stigma, probably because of abuses of the past. Sometimes the subjects of these studies were minorities. They weren't always informed and willing subjects. But, as long as it was consensual and without coercion, it wouldn't necessarily be problematic. Still, there is always the ethical challenges of power disparities with captive populations.

[@ssharma861]

RN, Neuroscience major! Loving all the science :)

[@donkorte80]

Have these people never heard of carb cycling. Also if you don’t feel like Adding a lot of sugar to your diet so you don’t look like a diabetic on some random test just drink a few whey protein shakes to get that awesome insulin spike…

[@theroxanneshowpodcast]

This was so excellent to learn! Thank you both. Gabrielle you are the BEST.❤️❤️

[@22mononoke]

This was very very interesting. Especially the methionine restriction as that aspect (high methionine) has always worried me about a high protein diet. Looking forward to hearing more.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

There is no need to worry about methionine. Just make sure to get glycine. You could supplement it as it's inexpensive. But it's also easy to get from whole animal foods from a nose-to-tail diet by including plenty of tough meats, gristle, and bone broth.

[@22mononoke]

@@MarmaladeINFP I do supplement with glycine but really don't like the odd sweetness it imparts. I can' just manage it in a shake with other ingredients to mask it's taste. I also like to sprinkle gelatin on my meats/stews when I can and have quite a bit of oxtail. But what I'm thinking is that is all this 'counterbalancing' too much also, and would it not just be better to consume less protein altogether? Or if getting less protein is not the best thing to do, then get protein from more lower fat dairy based sources which has some but a lot less than meat? Would be interesting to know what is overall a better and more sustainable option.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

@@22mononoke - What you're describing would make for an excellent study. Have some subjects with a higher intake of both methionine and glycine. And have other subjects with a lower intake of both. To add in further variable, shift the overall protein intake as well. So, one set of the higher intake subjects would be getting supplements on a low-protein diet and the second set would be on a high-protein diet, but where the methionine-to-glycine ratio is the same for both. That would help to control for the total amino acid intake. Is it mostly about the protein overall or simply the ratio? I don't know that anyone has ever studied that.

[@22mononoke]

@@MarmaladeINFP Was the rice diet back in the 40s not based on something similar to that I think? It's been a while since I looked into it, but the study conducted by William Kempner, feeding his patients only rice and fruit basically was an example of an extremely low methionine diet. But I don't think there was a control group so yes, the above scenario would probably make for an interesting study.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

One thing to keep in mind is that high-carb/low-fat diets, like low-carb/high-fat diets, tend to lead to calorie restriction and fasting because of decreased satiation and other factors. One would need to have subjects following different macronutrient profiles. There can be a tendency to reduce fat when reducing protein, but this is not necessarily true on a traditional diet. Even populations that ate less protein would include a lot of animal fat in their diet: butter, lard, tallow, etc. Whether animal fat is emphasized or not would determine how nutrient-dense is the diet, as some of the most important nutrients are found in animal fat.

[@pong4life]

Glucose intolerance seems like a very academic topic. I never worry about not able to eat sweets. I think most people are just beginning to realize they need to eat less. We know insulin resistance makes you diabetic, and so what does glucose intolerance do to you? If we can get people on low carb diet, that would lower our medical costs drastically since there would be a drastic reduction in the number of cases of diabetes, cvd, alzheimer, stroke, joint pain, poor vision, and possibly many other chronic diseases of modern culture, including cancer.

[@lightbeingpontifex]

Pitfalls,,? Keto flu low energy high stress weight gain weight loss restriction of favorite foods glucose intolerance,,,

[@glenngilbert7390]

Thank you!

[@enolauke]

Tell protein per meal for women in 20's

[@TheAnnestube]

Well, this seems like an attempt to overthinking and overcomplicating things. If you consider, what people ate for like thousands and thousands of years as hunter/gatherers, primarily living on meat and fat, and very low carb, they never had problems, so how and why should it be a problem today?

[@albertgammon118]

Dr Lyon, with respect, if we both werent married, I would have come to USA to chase you lol

[@sauln23]

your conversation is so cool and interesting. I didn't know nerds were so hot

[@ngp150]

Let your guest talk

[@josephsmyth832]

But logically a scientific study isn’t the same thing as observing nature and reality with individuals. Assumptions aren’t material facts. All scientists should have at least knowledge of Aristotle’s work related to the laws of nature via the Organon.

[@robertblanks9602]

In the world of Star Trek speak -“fascinating “ ☑️👍👏🆒

[@1922johnboy]

Algorithms

[@calcastaway]

A lot of questions were asked with no definitive answers. A waste of time video.

[@MarmaladeINFP]

@@DrGabrielleLyon - I appreciate both constructive feedback, even harsh criticisms, and a positive response to constructive feedback. I gave you both a thumbs up. Anyway, you are correct. It's unfortunate that we still don't have as many answers as would be preferable.

[@ThePoopyboy11]

You really should look at (and interview) these 10+ year carnivores if you want to get a more significant understanding of these questions.