When is the Millennial Reign of Christ? -- Voddie Baucham

[@DarlaGuyton]

Who can enjoy this sermon with that obnoxious music in the FOREGROUND? Just let Voddie preach in silence. His voice is good enough.

[@kathyyoung6736]

I have put the comment about the music every time I hear it

[@chanb2958]

Unfortunately i couldn't. And it's very loud.

[@chanb2958]

​@@kathyyoung6736i have too. I don't think they care

[@cynthiapearl6149]

Music must go especially with hearing aids.

[@normangensler7380]

The phony synthesizer music insults the integrity of a great sermon. It does not belong here, interfering with a great message.

[@WeirdDarknessOfficial]

Agreed. It's very distracting.

[@christiankennedy2212]

I've had to deliberately inoculate myself to this kind of facile emotionalism on Christian KZbin.

[@1966marmar]

There is always a link to the original message with no music in the description. Just click more

[@1966marmar]

@@christiankennedy2212click more then the original message.

[@1966marmar]

@@WeirdDarknessOfficialclick more then on the original message

[@KatayudeOtoko]

The music is distracting...

[@belari]

Blessings. Excuse my english. I agree with the use of symbolism in Revelation, but hard to believe that the original audience for this book had an amillenial perspective. Some tougths: 1. By simply "hearing" it at once, would they came up with endless and especulative interpretations of symbols as amillenials do? 2. Do not forget Ch1 v.3. The intention of the book is to be understood as you hear it. God is not a troll. The Millenium is mentioned only once in the entire Bible, why not take it literally?, or something to start after Christ returns since there is no other reference? 3. Most symbols are explained in the book. 4. Parallelism or recaps? May be some, but remember that the 7 trumpets come after the 7th seal, and the bowls of judgments are called "last plagues 15.1" God bless our dear brother Baucham. Blessins to all.

[@christiansoldier77]

@belari 1000 years is mentioned 6 times in Rev 20 which means it's literal. Plus the conditions on earth during the millennium is mentioned in the book of Isaiah

[@belari]

@@christiansoldier77 Yea, i mean, a reference outside this passage (Rev. 20), my bad. Agree. More conditions of the millenium are Zech 14, Micah 4. God bless you 🙂

[@rgb12345-u]

Please remove the music. It’s so distracting.

[@cynthiahunter2570]

Thanks for the video! Music is very distracting.

[@voicecryinginthewilderness]

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Hos 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. Hos 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

[@christiansoldier77]

Saying that premillennialists are pessimistic is a strawman argument. Jesus hanging on the cross would be considered pessimistic as well but it happened

[@davidlaracuente3578]

Yeah no music big bro I love the raw

[@SpaghToeZorp]

One problem I see with people doubting Jesus will physically reign on the earth is that Gabriel promised Mary that her son would sit on the throne of David which did not exist at the time of Jesus birth. Jesus has not yet fulfilled that promise. So to assume that Jesus will not sit on the throne of David is to assume the promise will not be fulfilled. I disagree with that line of thinking.

[@ja-xc8hc]

Exactly!

[@wylieferguson5129]

Yes, a LOT of people are harboring the FALSE hope of living in Heaven! They say their loved ones are in Heaven looking down at them! Really! Really! The Christ Himself prayed…”Thy Kingdom COME…” NOT people go UP to the Kingdom! Oh, I wish people would SEARCH the Scriptures! Shalom!❤

[@1754Me]

Is Jesus not currently sitting on a throne in heaven ruling? If He is seated on a throne, how is that not fulfilling what Gabriel promised? Is that not a far greater throne than one could ever be in Jerusalem? In Jn 18:36, Jesus said that His Kingdom was not of this world. Why then are you maintaining that He must have a physical throne on the earth? He also said that he has all authority in heaven and on the earth. Don't those people who obey the King's commands (again, since He has all authority) comprise His Kingdom no matter where they live at on the earth? If that were true, wouldn't that make His Kingdom to be spreading across the earth, just as Daniel 2:34-35 & 44-45 and Mt 13:31-33 foretold? Does Paul not say the Kingdom is now in Rom 14:17? Peter and John both say those in Christ are His Kingdom (1 Pet 2:9 and Rev 1:5-6).

[@SpaghToeZorp]

@1754Me that is not David's throne

[@1754Me]

@@SpaghToeZorp How is it not David's throne? Is it because your eschatological system demands it not to be? Mk 11:10--"Blessed is the coming kingdom of our father David!" Lk 19:38--“Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord!" Jn 12:13--“Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!” All are declarations of Jesus.

[@MEAToftheWORDsermons4theMATURE]

I'm here to learn and listen, even if it is different from my position or not. Fools have no interest in understanding, they only want to air their own opinions (prov 18:2). I don't want culture, or popular, I want Truth. I may be wrong, Voddie may be wrong, only Jesus is never wrong. I was taught that Revelation is both symbolic and literal and the way I was taught was that if it can be taken literal, then it should be, or else treat it as symbolic. that could be wrong, maybe. I know that the Pharisees had all the scripture and still got it wrong. Might we believe the same. God has given us 600 pieces to a 1000 piece puzzle. Essentially, God has given us enough to know that He is in control, so we trust Him. Jesus said, today this scripture is fulfilled (Isaiah 61:1-2). It was only the first 2 verses of Isaiah, what about the rest of that chapter? Who, before that time, would have guessed that Isaiah 61 is broken up? How far apart is the entire chapter, the entire book? I now know enough to know that I don't know very much at all.

[@msvedamarie]

Though the videos suppose to be coming from Grace family Baptist church we never see the actual sermons with the pastor preaching I don’t click on anymore I google his sermons to watch or listen.

[@Sojournerjohn316]

Father Almighty God I cry out in the Holy name of Christ Jesus your Son and our Savior and King of all Creation, worthy is the Lamb! Lord, it's getting so very dark. Evil is everywhere!! We are so very weak, Satan devours everything here. Woe are we, sewn into flesh, born into a world ruled by Satan and his demons... Jesus you are on the throne at the right hand of God 💯 and only God the Father knows when you will return for us... Make haste my Lord... The hour is so dark, don't let the devil consume us all! I've grown so weary Lord, I pray for your Holy presence and peace... Protect the children Lord Jesus and keep our lanterns burning with your oil. For we cannot see. It is far too dark and evil lurks everywhere. Jesus Christ we praise your Holy name.. 🙏🙌😭😭♥️👑👑 You are Lord God Almighty!!

[@Dstephens-q8x]

greater is he that is in you,than he that is in the world!

[@josephfolsom2030]

I would like to know where it says that we’re supposed to take everything in Revelation symbolically. Some of these same “symbolic” numbers are also in the book of Daniel. Those numbers are very specific. 😊

[@redfaux74]

Daniel points to the Messiah. Not 2,000 plus years AFTER the Messiah. Going by what you're saying, you believe Rev happened "shortly" after it is written? (1:1) You think that is literal? Do you think 1:3 is literal when it says "the time is at hand"? You need to think about your claim. It makes NO sense so far. You are cherry picking what you WANT to be symbolic and literal, WHEN you want them to be symbolic and literal. That's not a good way to be scripturally accurate, have scriptural integrity. Let the scripture talk. Don't push a view that makes no sense. Let the scripture forge your view. If it makes David Jeremiah look dumb, so be it. Let scripture be true and every man be a liar.

[@CountCulture27]

@@redfaux74I agree with your belief of let the scripture be true and every man a liar. However, I think the point is if Daniel is very accurate with his timing, why should we just assume John’s timing is all symbolic? Voddie’s view has Satan powerless right now, do you feel evil is waning or ramping up?The pre Millennial view would say the 2nd, the other two would say the first.

[@redfaux74]

@CountCulture27 - The point is not that Satan himself has power. The point is he had been defeated. The power of death, hell and the grave, sin is over. Christ defeated it on the cross. People can still choose evil but Satan does not control us. If Daniel's timing is pointing to the cross then I'm saying Rev is pointing to the cross, that 70 year time period. They kill Jesus when He is 35, in AD 70 He destroys Jerusalem, Judah, the temple, etc. I'm not saying Rev is talking about symbolic timing. I think the timing of Rev is literal. He was coming in judgment, destruction, clouds like He did in the Old Testament. That's why it says soon, at hand, nigh, quickly almost a dozen times and several times in the middle. But is Satan powerless? Yes. He can only deceive. In every book of the Gospels you see demon possession even in the temple. It was like a plague. He was literally controlling people then. No longer. But people still follow his ways today. Choice is not removed. I think ALL of Rev is completely fulfilled.

[@josephfolsom2030]

@@redfaux74 So you’re stating that, not only has the book of Revelation been fulfilled in 70AD, but all the other scriptures everywhere else have been also? Tell me then what Jesus meant in Matthew 24:21 King James Version 21 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” Ever Shall Be”. Are you trying to convince me that the worst tribulation that has ever happened or will happen to the whole world was the besieging of Jerusalem in 70 AD? I think not!

[@redfaux74]

@josephfolsom2030 - Yes. Matt 24: 21..... has been been fulfilled. Jesus said so in Matt 24:34 "This generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled." Mk 13 is the same topic, destruction of the Temple. Fulfilled in AD 70 Mk13:30 "This generation shall not pass until ALL these things be fulfilled." Lk 21 is the same topic, destruction of the Temple. Fulfilled in AD 70. Lk 21:32 "This generation shall not pass until ALL these things be fulfilled." Have you read Luke 21:22? Jerusalem is surrounded, all the cities of Judah are surrounded, war breaks out and the desolation spoken of from Isa to Malachi (upon physical Israel) is fulfilled. It all happened. Dan 9:27 is the same repeated verse as Lk 21:32 "For these are the days of Vengeance that ALL things which are written may be fulfilled." Same story told 3 times, every time with more details about the destruction of the Temple and ALL cities surrounding it. The entire Old Testament. Fulfilled by the Messiah in those days. It truly is finished.

[@timestealr2967]

The 1000 year reign of Christ cannot be taken as a figurative or symbolic representation. There are too many Old Testament references to this period that cannot be ignored, and too many to list here (please do your own research on this). The book of Revelation is not just a book of symbols but is also descriptive of events, times and judgments that will occur in the future. Yes, there are symbols as John was describing what he saw, but in no means is that the beginning and end of it. Chris Rosebrough, of Fighting for The Faith (which I do love his channel) stated, for example, that the great chain that Satan was bound with as mentioned in Revelation was ‘symbolic’ and not literal as he explained just how can a chain hold and restrain a spirit being? Well, my response to that was God can do anything; even make a chain that can hold Satan (after all God made the entire universe out of nothing but His spoken word). If God said that there’s a chain for that purpose, then there’s a chain for that purpose. Yes, God can restrain and bound Satan by any means, so why not a chain? Is the Abyss also symbolic too? Or how about the New Jerusalem built on precious gems coming out of Heaven? Or perhaps Heaven and The Lake of Fire itself are also symbolic and not real places. Handcuffs are real, but they're also symbolic of a restraint that is used. The chain used on Satan can also serve 2 purposes; one is symbolic of a restraint and one that is literally used to show that Satan is now restrained by God by binding Satan in that chain. Once you get on the ‘Symbolic Band Wagon’ claiming that all is symbolic or metaphorical then there’s no end to it, or telling what is real and what isn’t. Just because we as mere humans don't understand how God can do this or that, doesn't dismiss it as being literal.

[@squirreljones3595]

Revelation 20 5 First resurrection John 6 40 Jesus says at the LAST DAY Jesus is always truth. The church rapture is after the thousand year reign

[@dianeschrimsher9984]

Voddie is an amillenielist?? I had no idea! I agree. I don’t think the 1000- year reign is exactly literal or figurative. I believe 1000 is an idiomatic expression like, “Give me a second,” or “This is going to take forever!” So it’s a long time, but not exactly 1000 years. Another point is that I believe the “First Resurrection” is a reference to when we are “born again.” The second death (hell) has no power over those who share in the first resurrection (have been born again). 1 Pet. 2:9 says all believers are priests NOW. Also, the first and second resurrections line up very well by by the same author of Revelation- John- in the Gospel of John where the first resurrection is when we are born again (when we are raised to walk a new life with Christ) and the second resurrection is the judgment (Jn. 5:24-29).

[@christiansoldier77]

No the 1000 years is repeated 6 times in Rev 20 so it's literal

[@dianeschrimsher9984]

@ , there’s no rule in the Bible that says if something is repeated 6 times, it’s literal. That’s your rule, not the Bible’s.

[@dianeschrimsher9984]

@@christiansoldier77, an example of this is the word “day” in Genesis. “Day” is mentioned over 60 times in Genesis. Sometimes “day” is referring to a 24- hour day (7 days of creation), sometimes it’s referring to daylight (like when God separated light from darkness and called the light “day”), and sometimes it’s idiomatic like in Gen. 2:4: These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the DAY that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. Genesis 1 tells us God created the universe in 6 days, so Gen. 2:4 has to be idiomatic like the expression, “Back in the day.” All of that to say that just because “1000” is mentioned 6 times in Revelation, it doesn’t mean it’s literal.

[@CountCulture27]

​@dianeschrimsher9984 You make a great point, however, basically there is no where that specifically alludes to it NOT being literal. Most of the days references, at least the ones I know of, you can see in the text it is an expression. You don't have that in Revelation. It might be figurative, but I have a rule. If it isn't obviously figurative take it at face value. For instance, a lot of folks put Daniel in the same mode, but his "weeks" were pretty much on the money.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@dianeschrimsher9984 What I mean is when the Bible repeats something that means it is literal and this is repeated 6 times and written as though it is literal so how can it not be literal ?

[@stanlopez143]

Rev 20:1 starts symbolically through 5-6. it should continue that way.

[@squirreljones3595]

The Saints that overcome the mark of the beast are mentioned separately all over Revelation Don't you think it's suspicious that NO Pre Mid Post trib believer can name one reward the Saints get for themselves Now you're taking away the thousand year reign I assume you don't believe they get any rewards that the church doesn't get to hijack

[@TheHeavenTestdotnet-gr2ou]

Please help me share the gospel of the grace of God throughout the world. I Corinthians 15:1-4.

[@Dstephens-q8x]

was satan a symbolic snake in the garden of eden?

[@TheHeavenTestdotnet-gr2ou]

@@Dstephens-q8x Why do you ask that question?

[@Dstephens-q8x]

@@TheHeavenTestdotnet-gr2ou never mind.

[@1754Me]

Why not share the gospel of the Kingdom of God? That's what Jesus did (Mk 1:15; Acts 1:3). That's what the disciples/apostles did (Mt 10:5-15; Lk 10:1-12; Acts 8:12, 19:8, 20:25, 28:23, 28:31). That's what our King commanded for us to do (Mt 28:18-20). Are you going to obey the King's command?

[@Luther-y9b]

The bible says the GOD has to shorten the days toward the end of the tribulation. So pretty much when most of the people on earth have died, Jesus will return to begin the millennial reign!🤔🤔🤔

[@daswasist128]

If good knows everthing didnt he already knew that adam and eva will eat the fruit and fall ,but he still let it happen so everything is exactly how he wants it to be. how can he compain then that we are sinner he made us so?

[@inspireholiness]

Because He is God and can do what He wants. Romans 1:20

[@Dstephens-q8x]

its called free will, if god controled every , thing , do you think he would allow aborations ?

[@daswasist128]

@@inspireholiness but how is he just and loving if do whatever he wants? thats what i dont get.

[@daswasist128]

@@Dstephens-q8x isnt that the point, he is in control! he is the almigthy and all knowing god and let these things happen, why?

[@Dstephens-q8x]

@@daswasist128 god knows what you will do today , but he dont control the steps you take ,you are the one that makes that decision free will. the, holy ghost will guide you if you will listen to him.

[@corybraswell510]

The representation known as lady liberty in Washington DC has a chain around it though! 😁✌️ Everything is in symbols but discernment is key to being able to unlock it! ✝️👑

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

What image do you speak of?

[@QuentinStorey]

Blessings upon my brethren and sisters in Christ. I wish he did a full service on this one subject so I could hear what he has to say more. I disagree with a couple of the statements Voddie Bauchum made here, and I am an avid viewer of his videos. First: why shouldn't the 1,000 years be taken literally? I do. Second: I literally interpret the dragon as looking like an actual dragon while it is also a fallen angel, with literal chains and literal 1,000 years, but Bauchum said that one who interprets one literally doesn't interpret the other literally, but I do and think it's a normal interpretation for me and my church.

[@kristenreynard1995]

If the beginning of the book of Revelation literally says it is filled with symbolism, then perhaps your literal view is being skewed from fully understanding because you (and your church, as you said) are using human wisdom to interpret God's Word. Our finite minds will never be able to fully comprehend the depths of God's knowledge, but asking Him to open your spiritual eyes of understanding and having a reliable concordance will help you interpret and weed out the "literal" interpretations from the symbolic text.

[@Jeremiah17910]

​@kristenreynard1995 you are a liar, No, the book of Revelation doesn't say it is full of symbols, you say that and so does your false eschatology teacher Voddie. God is telling you thickheads in Revelation 20, six times He said 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth. OT has dosens and dosens prophecies about Christ's kingdom here on earth reigning from the throne of David in Jerusalem. Voddie and all who believe the eschatology lies he teaches are calling God a liar, you are saying He is not going to fulfill His word His promises to His people Israel, and you are also saying God is not going to keep His promises in the NT concerning His earthly kingdom lasting 1000 years just like He said in Revelation 20. Repent, Voddie and all you who follow this false biblical eschatology teacher.

[@QuentinStorey]

@@kristenreynard1995 I do use symbolism to understand as well the book of Revelations, but the book of Revelations doesn't say anywhere that the book is filled with symbolism. A literal interpretation wasn't refuted in that video.

[@1754Me]

@@QuentinStorey So if you are taking the book of Revelation literally, then you would be an amillennialist as Rev 1:4-6 says "Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and THE RULER OF THE KINGS ON EARTH.To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and MADE US A KINGDOM, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." An Amillennialist believes that Jesus is currently King and reigning on His throne with all authority in heaven and on the earth. And those who follow the King's commands comprise His Kingdom wherever they live upon the earth. So are you an Amillennialist? I am.

[@QuentinStorey]

@@1754Me Well no then I must not be an amellennialist because I don't believe Jesus is currently reigning supreme ON EARTH... was that your point?

[@melaniehughes8909]

I have a problem when the Bible says something but the pastor says it doesn't mean what it says. I'm tempted to go through the Bible and record every time this happens in Calvinism.

[@redfaux74]

What part of what he said contradicts what the Word says? I'm not a Vocchie fan but this makes sense.

[@martygreen9714]

So in the Bible where it says “cut off your hand, pluck out your eye” we take that literally 🤷🏼.

[@redfaux74]

@martygreen9714 - You certainly should take it literally. Any lust, any activity, anything you do that causes you to lean toward the world instead of following Christ is something you need to get rid of. Whatever extreme that is, you should do. This will make you "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling". Hopefully, with prayer and reverence, you won't have to be so extreme. Don't forget the other scriptures Christ gave us. "Do not fear him so has power to kill the body. But fear ye Him who has power to not only kill the body, but destroy the soul in hell." This is serious stuff. Everyone has a bullet with their name on it. The Devil is certainly lurking behind doors, waiting for you to go places you KNOW you are not supposed to be in.

[@inspireholiness]

@@redfaux74 um no you should certainly not take it literally, but as though it were.

[@redfaux74]

@inspireholiness - Jesus disagrees with you. It is repeated twice. Mt 18: 7-9 and Mk 9:42-48 The warning cannot get more severe. It is a brutal picture in both places. But most churches don't teach that. They're very watered down. Very luke warm. Very dangerous.

[@jhon614]

What does God have to say to be taken literally in a case like Revelation? Why can't it be a literal key and chain and 1000 years? It doesn't say it's a metal chain or key. It could be something we don't understand as a normal metal chain, but maybe it's a chain to bind an angel. Also, no one is saying Satan is literally a dragon, but he was in the form of a dragon in the garden. He was literally "that" dragon, and that's why the Bible calls him the dragon.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Revelation 17:15-18

[@jhon614]

@JesusistheonetrueGod so when the Bible says it's using symbols, it clearly is. Why assume it's symbolic when it doesn't say so though?

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

@@jhon614 I don't assume that it is always symbolic. For instance, I don't think this is symbolic where the scripture said John's vision was to soon takd place. Revelation 1:1 ESV The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

[@jamesphillips3115]

How about define thousand is chilia which is plural meaning 2000 years or more. Satan is bound 2000 years or more forbidding him to deceive the nations that allows believers to reign as priests and king with Christ until the 7th trumpet when the angel has a foot on land a foot in the sea declaring time no more. I believe for sure that a thousand years is time.

[@gfbc1689]

There are no actual manuscripts that we have that say that. That’s just someone speculating about what they think previous manuscripts would’ve said.

[@jamesphillips3115]

@ sure there is look it up in the TR.

[@1966marmar]

There is a link to the original message with no music in the description. Just click more and you will see it.

[@joy4cari]

The "here, not yet" view is also shared by the other two views. Voddie isn't being entirely honest in his representation of the other eschatologies. Amils just can't resist gathering all of the shared orthodox beliefs and then acting like the other eschatological views don't share them.

[@DerekSmith-sk8br]

Start overplaying the symbolism game and we all end up with whatever narrative we choose to believe. Literal unless obviously figurative. “When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense, lest it result in nonsense.”

[@redfaux74]

If you took EVERYONE who believed the Premillenial view...... let's say 1,000 people.... ..... gave them everything they need, Bible, paper, pens, etc. If you separated them into rooms and said "Write down how this stuff is going to happen and use Biblical references, verses, to support your view." 😕 You would get at least 1,001 different answers. Because it is not Biblical. It's symbolic. No one sees it the same way. Christ reigns TODAY. The final battle was the cross. When He returns, it's OVER!

[@1754Me]

AMEN!!!!!

[@teresamcnulty8471]

Well, I won't have time now to listen. But Revelation 20 is your key. Christ will spend 1000 years in His home---that we call Heaven---with the redeemed. This is scriptural.

[@wylieferguson5129]

Some (UN-taught/WRONGLY taught) people may call it Heaven, but the scripture CLEARLY STATES “we shall reign ON THE EARTH, with Christ! Christ Himself taught us to pray, “…Thy Kingdom COME, Thy will be done ON EARTH, as it is in Heaven.” Come on now, Why is that SOOOO HARD to COMPREHEND! Shalom!❤

[@teresamcnulty8471]

@@wylieferguson5129 yes, after he finishes the judgement of the wicked in Heaven with the righteous (Paul said "don't you know you will judge angels "?(Satan's)) Then He will bring New Jerusalem to Earth---set it down on the Mount of Olives after it becomes a large plane---and Satan and the wicked will try to take it, and fire will rain down on them. And eventually the Earth will be re-created.

[@squirreljones3595]

NO Christians alive or Dead fit any of those descriptions in Revelation 20 4 The thousand year reign is a reward for overcoming the mark of the beast Take away the thousand year reign and you take away all the rewards that are promised to the Saints that overcome the mark of the beast Revelation 7 14 White robes Revelation 20 4 thousand year reign Revelation 2 & 3 Jesus says overcomth seven times Jesus says this every time before He mentions any rewards

[@teresamcnulty8471]

@@squirreljones3595 I'm sorry. You need to study it better. With related verses.

[@jeffgray6291]

It is literal, and are you awake the present and the future are now and humanity is not going to get any better until Jesus reigns on earth for the literal 1000 years. Then the devil is going to be loosed for a season. Simply stated your trying to stick to you script but it is not working and you know it Voddie.

[@christiansoldier77]

The bible explains its symbolism . So we know that 1000 years is literal because the bible says its literal

[@1754Me]

Where does it say that "1000 years is literal"? "One day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day"?

[@christiansoldier77]

@1754Me Where does it say Jesus being on the cross was literal? We know things are literal because they are written literally not metaphorically. One day is as a thousand years is clearly metaphorical. Rev 20 where it says Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for 1000 years then will be released after the 1000 years and the saints ruling with Jesus for 1000 years is clearly and the rest of the dead will not live again until after the 1000 years are done is clearly literal. It isn't that complex

[@1754Me]

@@christiansoldier77 So if you are taking the book of Revelation literally, then you would be an amillennialist as Rev 1:4-6 says "Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and THE RULER OF THE KINGS ON EARTH.To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and MADE US A KINGDOM, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and DOMINION FOREVER AND EVER. Amen." An Amillennialist believes that Jesus is currently King and reigning on His throne with all authority in heaven and on the earth. And those who follow the King's commands comprise His Kingdom wherever they live upon the earth. So are you an Amillennialist? I am.

[@christiansoldier77]

@1754Me No. Amillennialists take revelation metaphorically. Premillennialists take revelation literally. I am a premillennialist because the bible is written from a premillennial standpoint

[@fromgamestogod9850]

I believe that Voddie is blessed with understanding in many areas, but NOT in eschatology or matters of the end times. I could "sort of" see an argument for a symbolic interpretation of a 1,000-year reign if one were to only look at Revelation in isolation, but if you take in the entire counsel of God's written word then it's abundantly clear that it is a literal 1,000-year reign. God demonstrates His plan of six days of "work" followed by one day of "rest" numerous times. God's 7-day week plan was a model of His larger and macro prophetic plan of 6,000 years for man and the 1,000-year day of rest in the Millennium. In fact, the very first Hebrew word of the Bible, berisheet (in the beginning), actually encodes God's plan if you break berisheet down into its word-story components. God literally declares the end from the beginning as He says in Isaiah 46:10. Most believers in ancient times understood the model of 7,000 years (6,000 years, then 1,000 years). The last "day" was the last 1,000 years of the Millennium. It's not a reference to a single 24-hour day at the end of time. In fact, we are resurrected at the beginning of the "last" or "latter" day, just like one begins to rest at the beginning of the Sabbath, and not in the final nanosecond before it expires. Here's just a couple places that make this relatively clear (latter day in caps): "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the LATTER DAY upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me." Job 19:25-27 KJV In this passage, Job is expressing that he expects to see the Lord his redeemer on the earth in the LATTER DAY after he is resurrected - long after his body has decomposed. Job isn't expecting some 24-hour stroll on the earth. He's expecting to see his redeemer during the 1,000-year latter day of God's plan. Here's another place where I think we can easily misunderstand what is being referred to: "Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day." John 11:24 KJV Many Christians who read this verse think that Martha is referring to a single 24-hour last day. However, informed Jewish believers at that time understood God's eschatological plan and knew that the "last day" or "latter day" was a title or representation of the Millennium - the last 1,000-year-day. God's plan becomes even more clear when you look at chapters like Joshua 3 or Ezekiel 47 and you allow God to reveal what He is mapping out with those typologies. For example, each of the 1,000 cubit measurements in Ezekiel 47 represents one of the 1000-year-days leading up to the crucifixion. There are four 1,000 cubit measurements made leading up to verse 5, whereupon, the river is overflowing and can't be passed over. The four 1,000 cubit measurements represent the 4,000 years leading up to the event of the cross, which is where God poured Himself out for us and the overflowing waters of God's grace could not be overcome. The 2,000 cubits in Joshua 3 represent the 2,000 years of the church age. Verse 7 is symbolic of "Day 7", which would be the Millennium: Remember, Joshua is a type of Jesus Christ: "And the LORD said unto Joshua, This day will I begin to magnify thee in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee." Joshua 3:7 On the 3rd day from the cross, or the 7th day in God's plan (the Millennium), Jesus Christ will begin to be magnified in the sight of Israel and they will recognize Him, just as they recognized Moses.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

It is true that the book of Revelation is a highy symbolic book, but we need to be careful that we do not dismiss the literal application of the symbolism. For instance, the 1000 year reign of Christ cannot be interpreted as the time frame from the day Jesus died till the day He gloriously returns. It is true that Satan is now bound at the cross of Jesus, and that Jesus rules and reigns within His kingdom; but Satan is still the god of this world's system. The number 1000 is also 10x10x10. In the Bible, the number 10 is the number of God's divine order and completeness of time, and 3 is the number of God. Therefore, the number 1000 is God's order and completeness of time. 1000 is not to be taken literally, but does have a literal application to a period of time on earth.

[@InfinitEternaLovEmmanuel]

Whoever is in charge of music needs to be let go… It is incredibly distracting and sabotages the entire purpose of listening to the sermon.

[@PravinByroo]

Pastor Voddie is dribbling around with scriptures, i hope he is not doing this just to prove that he is wrong. Hope he acknowledges that he is wrong, not everything is symbolic,

[@fanman8102]

Question. If I don’t need to take the millennium as a liberal 1,000 years then what other areas of the Bible are not literal? Jesus death, resurrection and ascension? Is that literal? Is the virgin birth literal? Should I take Jesus’s claim to be God literal? Once again the significance of the Scriptures is lost behind the haze of doctrinal differences. I wonder what Jesus thinks of that?

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Revelation 17:15-18 ESV And the angel said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. [16] And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, [17] for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. [18] And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth."

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Check Revelation 17:15-18 where the angel explains to John that what he saw was symbolic.

[@christiansoldier77]

It sounds like Voddie is being deceptive

[@Jeremiah17910]

Says who, You, who are you, nobody, i will stick with plain meaning of the text in Revelation 20, you like so many foolish Christians add and take away from God's word, apparently you all don't believe God's warning that whoever does that is already judged by God through His warning not to add or take away from God's word.

[@PravinByroo]

Vodie is a good teacher of the word in many subjects but his understanding of the rapture, tribulation and millenium is wrong, pray that our Lord Jesus by his holy spirit open his understanding , it is not symbolic it is literal, amillenium view cannot be right as there is great tribultion still coming and the 666 mark still hasnt come yet. Pastor Vodie will make a huge difference when he gets to this understanding.

[@Dstephens-q8x]

you are right, wont be long before the mark.

[@squirreljones3595]

Right Revelation 20 shows two resurrections One is called the first resurrection One is at the LAST DAY ever John 6 39 40 44 54 Jesus says at the LAST DAY four times Jesus is always truth. The church rapture is after the thousand year reign It's very simple just leave the wise Virgins at the end of the story where Jesus put them every time

[@1754Me]

Voddie does have the correct understanding. Maybe you need to look into it a little more. I was once pre-mill but through my studies, I have seen that Scripture better aligns with the amill position.

[@squirreljones3595]

@1754Me The Saints that overcome the mark of the beast are mentioned separately all over Revelation Don't you think it's suspicious that NO Pre Mid Post trib believer can name one reward the Saints get for themselves

[@1754Me]

@@squirreljones3595 I'm not a Pre Mid or Post Trib'er. In my view, Revelation was written to a 1st Century audience and it a symbolic telling of the Olivet Discourse which is about the destruction/tribulation of Jerusalem in 70 AD. John's Gospel is the only one that doesn't include the Olivet Discourse, probably because he wrote Revelation prior to his Gospel. I encourage you to look into the Muratorian Fragment, a 2nd Century remnant which states that Revelation was the predecessor to Paul's 7 epistles.

[@deandalley3607]

Every period of time in the Bible mentioned in "years" has always been "literal".

[@jeffgray6291]

I'm starting to view you as a fraud Voddie, you know exactly what you're saying and you don't believe it, where did you get this position from? You're a fraud because of your phony pride standing on this preaching.

[@inspireholiness]

And you’re no brother in Christ either such a prideful attitude

[@jeffgray6291]

@inspireholiness call it what ya want, I don't make deal, especially with false teachers or teaching; maybe you don't understand the suffering, neither do I fully but it wasn't easy.

[@inspireholiness]

Voddie is no Fraud. You shouldn’t speak of any brother like that. You do not own a perfect theology for that I am sure or else you would not have spoken that way. We are called to walk in love. Anything else is not of God.

[@jeffgray6291]

@inspireholiness he's a fraud with this teaching and I think he knows it and you know it, he's trying to ignore Israel in end times eschatology, there is no way that he doesn't know that those seven years of tribulation are allotted to Israel. You'd have to be blind. Why is non believing Israel trying desperately to build the Temple, and what part does the temple play during end times prophecy? You're absolutely right my theology is not perfect but you can't miss this. It's like certain seminaries teach this or thus so therefore you have to go along with their view. Never! The modern church is in apostasy. Voddie is wrong in this period. I'll never go along to get along, it's your stubborn pride. Prove me wrong by the Scriptures, I'll prove you wrong.

[@jeffgray6291]

How can there every be peace without the Lord Jesus? No there is not some golden age of human history, how can the world, this save itself? You're an absolute mess teaching this and I hope you get these messages because you know you are. 4:45

[@jeffgray6291]

That's so Sorry your trying to paint this weak narrative using the Titanic! Society is failing and is going to collapse without Jesus, our hope is in Jesus whether we be absent from the body or present when he calls. You're going to lump God's people in with the world, the LORD separate the wheat from the tares. And the will be many millennials saints that want take the mark of the beast, some will be beheaded for the name of Christ. This teaching is sad. 4:11

[@redfaux74]

Jeff - There's nothing sad about this teaching at all. Everyone already has a mark. It is symbology from Ezek 9 that the Jews could clearly understand like they could understand all other scripture. If you belong to Jesus, you HAVE His mark. If you do NOT belong to Jesus, you have the mark of the Devil already. "Society is falling apart"??? Have you heard of Adam and Eve? 😂😂😂 The point is not that society WILL fall completely but that it has already from the beginning and Jesus restored the relationship with God and man. He went back all the way to the beginning of time, the point of collapse, for ALL people. The point is Jesus is God, He always was, He is the Great I Am. Daniel pointed to Him as Messiah and He fulfilled it completely. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom. Dan. 4:1-3 Then, now and forever more. You need to think deeper and reject David Jeremiah and his nonsense. Do you believe Rev 1:1? Is that literal or symbolic? Is Rev 1:3 literal or symbolic? Read them slowly. Was Jesus the fourth man in the fire? Dan 3:25 Nebuchadnezzar knew about the Son of God. It ALL points to the Messiah. Not 2,000 plus years later. Does Gen 49:11 point to Jesus the Messiah? Read it slowly. Obviously it does in the first half. Does the second half point to the Messiah? Of course it does. Rev 19:13 Do you believe Rev 22:6 is literal or symbolic? You believe "shortly" means 2,000 years later? Rev 22:10 You think Rev 22:10 is symbolic or literal? You think "at hand" means 2,000 plus years later? That's ridiculous. The Amillenial view makes sense.

[@bobwood5146]

Yo Voddie how about this "bottomless pit" why should we believe this is literal ? When you start down this road you wind up rudderless. How much of the book are we to just take your word for all the A-Mill spiritualizing. Who is going to say what is real. The truth is that you have developed a biblical bias [ we all do] that produces this end time's view. The bible apparently teaches you this, but it does not teach me and many others this. I know what you believe, and I have listened to all the arguments and sermons and books. Your view is to you biblical but to many it is not biblical. Thankfully it has nothing to d with salvation. You made the statement that other views led to what you see as [ trying to not be too critical] views that aren't quite as "spiritual" as your view. The Christian suffers a bit because the other views don't lead him into heart of God as well as your view. You made several statements and allusions to this. You should know better because many [most] anti-Calvinist view the Calvinist as teaching doctrines from hell. When stating our views on these non-critical views we should be humble enough to state them as " I BELIEVE THE BIBLE TEACHES THIS OR THAT ETC. Oh, I understand that your view here is not salvific but "critically" different from the other views. I have the same feelings when I hear the anti-Calvin losing their minds over something that most do not even understand. I enjoy your teaching ministry and listen to you often. Lord Bless c

[@christiansoldier77]

Voddie is really confused on eschatology

[@Jeremiah17910]

Voddie, you are not teaching eschatology from Scripture, you are inserting your own opinions. You are a false eschatology teacher Voddie Buckhum