When Jesus is Placed Low: Hebrew Roots Dangers

[@LinaMarie1122]

I can 100% attest to this. I was in HRM for a number of years. The drift away from Jesus happened gradually, but it is absolutely prevalent. I started in the Sacred Name movement and ended up one step away from conversion to Orthodox Judaism. It took my marriage falling apart to wake me up and bring me back to Jesus. I’m so grateful! Many of my former friends have since fallen away.

[@JustOneStitch]

I am also so grateful you are free from that bondage and bonded with Christ. The word "freedom" is mocked by the Hebrew Roots believers. They have abandoned the understanding that Biblical freedom in Christ is not the world's freedom but also not legalism to outward works that were and are useless/unprofitable and we have a better hope in Christ (Hebrews 7:18-19). I will pray for your friends this morning as I pray for mine.

[@rebekahstaal3032]

Kathryn... thank you again. You continue to bring clarity and understanding to what I have been exposed to and deeply affected by. I am thankful for you. I pray for you as the Holy Spirit uses you to bring light to the darkness ❤

[@kimartist]

In dealing with Hebrew Roots I've noticed a complete disdain for love, caring/concern for others, evangelization of the lost etc. I recently had an exchange with one where my concerns about not seeing a whole lotta "love one another" from HRM was waved off with "Oh yeah that's in the commandments" followed by a lengthy detailed list of commands from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. as if love/kindness/empathy for fellow man etc. did not come into existence until God formally commanded it & committed it to written form & the idea of love was haughtily brushed off as if far less important than resting on Saturday, refraining from certain foods, etc. Whereas when I read through the Gospels for the first time I was so moved by stories like the Prodigal Son & the lost sheep, where the Father/the Shepherd was so overjoyed by restoration of relationship(s) that I could not help but see God as a loving/longing/doting Father Who adores His children & just wants to be near them in order to love them. HRM cheapens that relationship into following a set of dos & don'ts that have nothing to do with relationship & nothing to do with deep love for family/friends. It seems oddly cold to me & it's no wonder why so many of us are appalled & repelled by it. It's as if God/Jesus must be kept at arms length (or farther) at all costs. I'm very empathic by nature, so this mindset is completely foreign to me.

[@JustOneStitch]

Yes, and often, those in this deception cannot see the coldness in themselves and cannot understand why there is division among the body when they are "simply living for the Father." Living for the Father is living in step with the Holy Spirit, being the hands and feet of Jesus to each other and a light to the world that has yet to know Him. It is disheartening to witness. Thank you for sharing this.

[@333rd_JokersCard]

With my now ex fiancé, the veil in front of her eyes was so deceiving. Any mention of being closer to God, closer to Jesus, following the Spirit, that was immediately and harshly refuted with a “He followed Torah perfectly, so we are close to Him and following in step with Him by observing and following Torah.” The group she is part of laughs at freedom and grace to the point where their only argument or reasoning for it is that you are free if you follow Torah, and you’re only given grace(if it’s even a real concept) if your actively and obediently following Torah. It’s so sad to watch. But our paths have officially separated now and I see no help for her or her group other than to pray for them. At the end I even went out of my way to be as loving and generous as possible even though she didn’t deserve what I’ve given her, just to show her a glimpse of the love of Jesus.

[@JustOneStitch]

Hi @333rd. It's good to hear from you, and I am so sorry for the outcome with your now ex-fiancé. I remember when you first posted about your situation with her. I'm thankful God gave you the strength and heart to show her Jesus. I'm also thankful, even though it's painful that you had the wisdom to not enter a marriage unequally yoked up front. I will continue to pray for her and for you to keep healing from the experience. I can relate to your statement, "and you're only given grace if you're actively and obediently following Torah." Something said in my old Torah group was that grace is for those walking in obedience (to Torah "the best they can"), and the rest of the Christians are under mercy but might not receive that in the end if they don't "wake up" and follow the commands given for living in the promised land. Even for those following "the best they can", someone once said she believed that because we have the Holy Spirit, we can keep the law perfectly.

[@Jen-AA]

My heart is broken 💔 My husband of 32 yrs has gone from HRM to almost full Judiasm. He is not recognizing that Jesus is Messiah. He says there are many messiahs as he is listening to Tovia Singer, a Jewish man who is against proselytizing of Jews. I married a believer, but he has changed what he believes now. He doesnt believe the new testament is truth. I miss who he used to be. My sons are witnessing this divide and it is crushing.

[@JustOneStitch]

Hi Jen. I am familiar with Tovia Singer. You are not alone in this, and I am so sorry to hear this is also dividing your family. I will pray for him and for you and your sons.

[@marksr49341]

I and my Father are one

[@alexjemphrey]

Hi there. Thanks for the video. Has your view on cosmology changed since leaving Hebrew Roots?

[@JustOneStitch]

Hi Alex! I just clicked on your name and watched a couple of your videos--that was so fun! What a great voice you have! :D On cosmology, my view did not change from the Creation in Genesis during my walk in Hebrew Roots. I witnessed conversations and beliefs that I did not personally adopt. My view is that God created the world in six days. I take those as literal twenty-four-hour periods, but I think there is room for differing opinions so long as those opinions do not change the belief in God's sovereignty as Creator or the gospel.

[@alexjemphrey]

@@JustOneStitchwow thanks for replying Kathryn and for watching a bit of my channel - very kind words! :) Thank you for explaining your opinion on the Genesis creation - I’m in agreement with you in that I also believe in 6 literal days. I’m currently researching Hebrew Roots and I see a lot in the community hold to a flat stationary earth with layers of firmament above it (believing that space and NASA is a conspiracy trying to “hide heaven”. I was wondering if you had an opinion on this? I have to admit that some of the arguments are convincing, especially the ones that point to scripture. However I also believe that over-literalisation can also be a problem and cause confusion. Anyway I’d love to know your thoughts on this if you feel comfortable and perhaps even make a video addressing the issue if you felt led to? I enjoy watching your channel, as I continue to research this. All I really want to do is to find the truest form of Christianity.

[@alexjemphrey]

@@JustOneStitchalso, I watched the end of your video there and it really spoke to me. I certainly did feel a sense of emptiness/longing for something richer when I began looking into HRM. I also have diagnosed OCD, which maybe has led me to seek something more concrete/certain? I’m not sure. And also to your other final point regarding if the voice that called you originally is still the same - I can’t say it is totally. It’s strange. On the one hand, delving more into HRM does feel like I’m growing in my relationship with God - it’s more tangible and physically verifiable. However on the other hand, I find myself finding God more distant than before? I know that I have the Holy Spirit inside of me (at least I hope I do - this is something else I worry about) - so if I do, why does it seem so unclear which is the right form of Christianity. Shouldn’t God make it clearer to his children and not let them get lost if Hebrew Roots truly is a deception? That was a tangent, I apologise Kathryn. But I thank you for your channel and for offering a different voice in the matter. All I can do is keep researching and praying!

[@JustOneStitch]

@@alexjemphrey I’m happy to share here, and I think a video on cosmology and flat Earth is a great idea in light of interpreting Scripture.

[@anonymom_]

​@@alexjemphrey Hey there, just want to say hello. I've recently come out of HRM and also have OCD. I know the struggle you describe. Sending much love, in Christ.

[@christybailey469]

You have been such a blessing to me & have helped me ❤ God bless you!

[@c7bluerose]

Is there a website or support group for those of us with family in this movement?

[@JustOneStitch]

Yes. I believe there is a facebook group offered called "Hebrew Roots Movement Exposed." It is a private group. I will inquire to find the exact group. I know two people in the group that I can ask.

[@fRances.L]

I have been looking for people who were in HRM/Torah-Observance and have come out of it! It feels like Im alone in what happened to me and in my questions. I’m glad there are so many more who saw (and see) what I have been seeing. But I have so many questions.

[@fRances.L]

what did you do with the feasts? with the dietary laws? did you somehow fear that you’re wrong? I wonder if that’s how those who left cults feel…

[@JustOneStitch]

@@fRances.L Hi @fRances! I'm so glad you are finding you are not alone. I felt the same way which is the biggest reason I started this channel. I will do a video on that because I have had others ask me as well. The first few days out were the hardest because I had so many doubts and leftover fears that I would not be pleaseing to God, or let Him down in some way by not keeping the feasts. But, it was particularly Sabbath and foods. I had a few very rough days in tears as I allowed friends who were solid in the gospel lift me back up. I have spoken to a few others from similar cutls and they did say they shared the same types of fears while learning to walk in freedom.

[@fRances.L]

⁠@@JustOneStitchI appreciate your response so much 😊Another I found particularly challenging is trusting “mainstream beliefs”. Growing up in church, I know a lot, and then finding out “we’re supposed to be walking in obedience to the Law” really changed my perspective. And then now “what? that’s wrong?” What if the “mainstream”theologians and scholars and pastors ARE wrong? You know? Did you struggle with that too

[@JamesSalomon947]

Praise Yah...I'm fighting this battle with my wife also as somehow she got caught in the web of Hebrew Israelite

[@peculiarpriscilla7777]

There is a lack of love. Im guilty of this. However... We must keep his commandments if we love him. Coming out of the world and pagan things is a requirement. John 14:15

[@JustOneStitch]

"If you love Me, keep My commands." Looking at the context of the book of John, of chapter 14, what are "My" (Jesus'--the Father at the transfiguration said, "This is my Son, listen to Him.) commands? What commands are in John?

[@kellydorney3514]

Amen!✝