When Mangudai Have No Counter...

[@TheHFChang]

A mangudai walks into a bar and tries to order a drink, but can’t because there is no counter

[@allaboutgames2796]

Skirmishers?

[@nycorge481]

@@allaboutgames2796 one word bro: kite

[@scespinosab]

The end is basically the power of Mangudai and mongol ferrari Siege Rams.

[@salvadorsierra7153]

Lol

[@diosn6909]

Amazing game! Also understood the importance of bracer that you mention in this and other videos of yours! Thank you for both the entertainment and instructive comments!

[@rollup3275]

“Can this woodline BE any worse”some chandler vibes here

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

yessir thats what i was going for!

[@daweed7412]

20:00 "there's no way ill find another relic. -> walks right into one -> 20sec later viper snatches it without hera noticing

[@tcsiyic3584]

Nice analysis of how Mongols should play against Slavs! I like how the top players are now more competitive, each players have their own game knowledge and methods, and not just one player having the best answer to everything.

[@schocko13]

the intro again on point

[@dhruvonium]

Lol, totally agree! Esp. the ones with Viper

[@Triggy6825]

whats funny is I saw this match on vipers stream and he was soo confident during the start. Then slowly, he starts to go...uhh maybe I was overconfident HAHA

[@emreagac4048]

Hahahaha

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

He should know that he can't do anything once hera is boomed out with 40 elite mangudai. What's he gonna do with 4 relics? Siege Onager maybe.

[@LordStaind]

1:32 chat trolling Hera. Lol

Mangudai has no counter only when there are Mongol hussars to support. Only AI can stop fully upgraded Hussar+Elite Mangudai.

[@Jompa10]

I can't believe how humble you are. "Viper is best, yes." I disagree, but this is why I follow you wherever you go and watch all your videos. You are the best Hera!

[@vproduction]

If u didn't know. If 2 units attack at same time the one with earlier color always win. Go by blue red green yellow teal purple grey orange. Even if health bar looks like ur winning.

[@radthemadlad2594]

Why is this?

[@Ch3ckm4t3]

The intro should have stopped just before the fight resolves, with some editing it will add suspense.

[@K1AoE]

i've done the cliffhanger ending 2 times, i felt like people will rage if i do it again here 111

[@aoe2and3fan]

No way, I'm very happy to know the result right away, instead of having to search when the fight happened to know the ending! :-D (I'm not a big fan of cliffhangers anyway).

[@oscarferrernaval5745]

I was expecting the roundabout thing from Jojo's

[@SpheraculGames]

I mean you can see the red scout health-bar go down first every blow they trade.

[@lukasg4807]

@@K1AoE does KZbin somehow know you edit hera's videos?

[@AgeofNoob]

LOL @ the Deer walking in at 0:24 to witness the fight :D

[@ethanpappas2502]

the intros are why your channel is growing so fast

[@LokirofRoriksted]

Mangudai shouldn't have a bonus against trebs. The only counter to it is by destroying their castles, but that is extremely difficult because they can just shoot the trebs once or twice and bail.

[@omologo95]

While you're not entirely wrong, I think that would be such a severe nerf to the Mongols that they might lose a ton of viability. Since getting to Mangudai is already superhard, and getting to Mangudai in a good position is even harder.

[@Jompa10]

What do you think about going archers/crossbow, tech into knights and then mangudai? Is it too slow of a transition?

[@The_MisTrO]

Damn your intros are getting even more awesome

[@7teen7t79]

Viper and hera are 2 best aoe2 players 👑👑

[@Zebrastreifen77]

Since Blue is player 1 his scout was placed first in map creation. In these sitatioon the unit created first wins so you know before hand that blue would survive.

[@ItumelengS]

Source?

[@cikif]

Mongoldai's are unstoppable

[@Adiounys]

12:52 What about your golden rule of placing new TCs?!

[@lbridet]

10 is halfway between 1 and 100 on a log scale. You're just smarter than your viewers.

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

TRUEEEEE

[@TheAepread]

How do you play this as Slavs if you somehow end up in this matchup in a big competition? Something like a big knight+siege all in push in early castle to stop Mongols reaching Mangudai?

[@ПолОтто]

Curious as well. Possibly extended Feudal too, open MAA, go into 2 stable scouts, archers, towers. Slavs have fully upgraded scouts and supplies free.

[@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160]

All in in castle age obviously

[@CrnaStrela]

With or without laming? Without laming completely depends on their stones, if it's back stone like hera, that would be difficult.

[@Deneblikethestar]

#raiseforK1

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

lmaooo

[@suatsonmezoglu1225]

can u show ur ping and fps for youtube for once i realy curious about it

[@jakegingrich7214]

Yes, that was a nice game.

[@SantiagoLopez-uu6uk]

Call William Wallace pls

[@assassinhamza1238]

man that intro lol

[@ПолОтто]

I struggle Arena Slavs vs Mongols. What options do I have?

[@ПолОтто]

They often go a castle build, so castle age aggro is futile. Also rams on the wall get cleared by a 1-2 mangudai.

[@skogenhevner5677]

Sick game

[@agentlibre5803]

Why don't you use the castle or monks for healing? You let your troops patrol in the camp instead of getting extra resources by healing them! GG, btw

[@merin8263]

love the intro's

[@janpiet1530]

Did I hear correctly? No bracer civs have no answer to mangu?

[@UnfamiliarPlace]

It may sound dumb, but spam is always a possible answer. Slavs have weak skirms, but decent hussars and strong halbs (w/ druzhina). Mangudai need micro to stay alive and attenton is finite. Can't avoid the big hits forever. Just keep throwing hussars and skirms while sneaking in halbs, which would also have minimized Hera's hussars better. Hera has a way of making it look like he's mainly using mangudai, but in these late-game ones the real strat is spam. He has 60 farmers at the end, constant hussars...

[@schwetang]

The Mangudai is a great unit but they take Anti-archer and Anti-cavalry damage. They're especially weak against Italian Crossbowmen.

[@bigchum3984]

why dont pros ever use auto farm seed???

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

we do, just only in late game. If you put it on too early it saps ur wood when u dont realize it and messes up ur prioritization

[@LiddellBlacksouls]

@@IHateYTIdentifiers Nice try

[@raimundohott9716]

Berbers go brrrrr

[@theotherfaceof]

When Mangudai Have No Counter= game is trash

[@powerobsession734]

you should get a mic closer to your keyboard and mouse so we could hear the clickety-click more It's like listening to the gods create the universe

[@guitarplayer1994]

Why is there a canon in his TC?

[@xtakk]

DE thing, you can get bling to display on your tc through events

[@p47_thunderbolt39]

The big reason he lost is both his stones were forward

[@hj.rahmawati4921]

That doesnt make any sense Because viper is slavs

[@hj.rahmawati4921]

You dont make uu as slavs

[@p47_thunderbolt39]

@@hj.rahmawati4921 I’m talking about in the king of the desert vs yo. Viper had two forward stones as mongols and so he lost. It was even still a close game he just couldn’t make mangudai

[@alian6965]

Nice vid

[@Harshverma-gi7es]

What is subs?

[@SM-bb4hx]

About the scout battle in intro - If both the scouts start attacking at the same time,lower seed player will always win over higher seed player. Not sure who was blue and red in round 1 but in round 2 blue player won as he is player 1.

[@Turalcar]

11 subs would've been perfect for aoe2

[@betwixtX]

skirms counter mangudai

[@lbridet]

Yeah those excellent Slavs skirmishers without thumb ring or Imperial age blacksmith upgrades and no mobility. Top counter bro

[@betwixtX]

@@lbridet are they not cost effective vs mangudai?

[@Euphorischeente]

@@betwixtX Cost efficient yes but you need to mass them and skirms are getting rekt by light cav which is a good combo for mangudai. Especially when the skirms are missing the blacksmith upgrades it's hard to counter mangudai with them because with the upgrade they have at least more range then mangudai. And without thumbring it's even worse.

[@betwixtX]

@@Euphorischeente how about mass scorps?

[@lbridet]

@@betwixtX in scenario editor, they are. In a 1v1, the mangudai will retreat from any fight they don't like. You need crazy skirm numbers to trade well vs mangudai and even then they will just move to a spot where you don't have 50 skirms. It's not like halb and siege, where the halb is a slow counter unit but the enemy has to engage you or get rekt by your siege. Skirmishers cannot push at all, Mongols player can just ignore them and send hussars to mop them up.

[@rodrigoarias9832]

dont complaing abou Taxes men, if u don live in Argentina!!! we realy know what it feels to pay taxes, we have the 2nd hiest rate in the hole world!

[@crx122]

You can come live in America, our taxes are much lower than most of the first world countries. Just make sure you NEVER get sick or hurt. We are firm believers in bankrupting people for that.

[@ethanpappas2502]

imagine mongols vs turks, no elit skirm...

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

People need to learn to use stonewalls. Especially against the cavalry civs

[@brownkilla7967]

halbs, catapult and throwing speaman def counter manguidai, they also dont cost anything while mangudai is expensive

[@plohish1337]

why don't just focus on knights and pals ? don't they counter mangudai ? hussars are a bad bet

[@hansoskar1911]

You won this game but this is ladder Arabia, not KOTD Arabia. And you had the safest stone in the history of aoe2.

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

yeah but i saw vipers game, his approach was wrong anyways, he could have easily secured the stone, both opened scouts

[@hansoskar1911]

@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 I think "easily" isnt it. But Im also a big proponent of playing to win. Mongols need to go Mangudai at some point, they might as well die trying. with similar levels of macro Mongols gonna lose the midgame knight/pike/Monk battles to Slavs every time.

[@hansoskar1911]

@KZbin Commentator yeah, appeal to authority is not a good strategy, basically ever.

[@hansoskar1911]

@KZbin Commentator that's a silly point and exactly the problem. my ability to click fast and accurately is in no way related to my ability understand and discuss the strategic aspects of the game which is the thing I talked about. at no point did I brag about my internet penis lenght (aka Elo) which is definetly lower than Heras; at least in aoe2.

[@sakshamkumawat4189]

bruh 1st comment

[@baloun65]

you make useless moves with your mouse - irritating as hell!

[@MrBigBas]

Fun game to watch. How ever one thing is not clear for me, why didn't his apponent started building pikemen? Pikemen would literally counter his full mongol horse army?

[@kira0703]

he said that its hard to catch horse he would micro manager and kill it one by one, he said skirmish is only option like gunpowder units