When Mega Evolutions Crowded Competitive Pokemon's Worst Tier

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Freezai

Freezai

Күн бұрын

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@pyranitar
@pyranitar 2 жыл бұрын
Its so goofy to think about megas terrorizing NFEs down in PU, like a bunch of grown men beating up little kids at a playground.
@Skeloperch
@Skeloperch 2 жыл бұрын
Not just grown men. M-Lopunny is like a hardened serial killer and international war criminal known for having singlehandedly deleted at least 3 entire towns off of the face of Earth. That thing was even a bit much for OU. If Gen 6 had lasted a bit longer after M-Sableye got banned, M-Lopunny probably would've gotten the boot too. Greninja got banned for less.
@zarkguy
@zarkguy 2 жыл бұрын
oh hey pyra
@rifasclub
@rifasclub 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skeloperch But Greninja did not take the Mega Evo slot.
@pokeinator7834
@pokeinator7834 2 жыл бұрын
Grown ups with swords and guns
@sephikong8323
@sephikong8323 2 жыл бұрын
@@Skeloperch Mega Lopunny? Like, it's good but not ban worthy in gen 6. If there were one mega I could see having a legit argument in favor of a ban that would be Metagross as M-Metagross + Keldeo is a stupid combination that put you on the back foot very strongly once you are "in the loop", especially if spikes are up (oh no, Metagross is in, better switch in my Mega Scizor to check it. Okay now I HAVE to Roost or I won't be able to safely do it again next time ..... oh no, Keldeo came in for free on my Roost and now I have to find an answer to it ......) I don't think ORAS OU needs new bans, it's good as is, but if there were to be bans, Lopunny wouldn't be my first choice
@presidenttogekiss635
@presidenttogekiss635 2 жыл бұрын
I think its funny that Avalugg, despite ita terrible typing, is so ridicuosly minnaxed that it can take on OU mega pokemon.
@Rarest26
@Rarest26 2 жыл бұрын
It’s like the one bulky ice type that works, and I love that so much. Ice table is god.
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 2 жыл бұрын
That and Calyrex-Ice Rider. After that, there should be no more bulky Ice types. Just the forced speedy Ice type, or the Ice type bulky enough to stay in 3-5 turns rather than 1-2 turns.
@stetsonherrick8090
@stetsonherrick8090 2 жыл бұрын
Regice: I've got Psych Up, Clear Body, and enough bulk to shrug off some nasty hits on both halves of the fence. Kindly don't mock the craftsmanship of Master Regigigas.
@CoffeeFlavoredMilk
@CoffeeFlavoredMilk 2 жыл бұрын
@@stetsonherrick8090 I imagine Regice would get similar use to Avalugg if it got Recover. Its minmaxxed in the exact opposite degree.
@returnko9412
@returnko9412 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoffeeFlavoredMilk Nah, the thing is a special wall already exists that's way better: Chansey/Blissey
@bounce9568
@bounce9568 2 жыл бұрын
On a similar note, hours after BDSP released, I got a screenshot of Ledian in OU before tiers had formed.
@i.theworstguys298
@i.theworstguys298 2 жыл бұрын
>> tfw you have access to iron fist, one of the best physical based abilities in the game, along with access to 2/3 elemental punches, drain punch, mach punch, and focus punch, but only have a base attack stat of *35*
@MachJacob343
@MachJacob343 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same with Delibird, and sent it to a friend without context.
@MogusMasterSaikawa22
@MogusMasterSaikawa22 2 жыл бұрын
Ledian is amazing I love him
@stetsonherrick8090
@stetsonherrick8090 2 жыл бұрын
@@MachJacob343 It baffles me that Little Cup hasn't let Delibird into the tier, given that it's stat spread is so balanced with Little Cup's general surroundings.
@silverrey7379
@silverrey7379 2 жыл бұрын
@@i.theworstguys298 the fact that it has a base attack stat lower than the mighty Wurmple's...
@chefdunsparce4254
@chefdunsparce4254 2 жыл бұрын
I knew that every pokemon starts in OU when introduced, but I had no idea megas started in the tier the Pokemon was originally in
@minervadetauro7646
@minervadetauro7646 2 жыл бұрын
New forms introduced mid-generation are introduced in the same tier as the original form. Normally it isn’t something you think much about because cases this extreme of disparity between their power are an exception
@rbxq
@rbxq 2 жыл бұрын
it makes sense when you think about it, having no prior experience with megas.
@yep9462
@yep9462 2 жыл бұрын
From what I remember this was before smogon started tiering megas as separate from their regular form (at least in the usage-based tiers, base Lucario/Mawile/Kanga were not banned from OU) Edit: More accurately, when a Mega Pokemon was banned from a tier, I think the item was just banned. The Mega itself wasn't shown on the Ubers/BL/etc list. I might be wrong, this was like 8 yrs ago
@FreezaiPokemon
@FreezaiPokemon 2 жыл бұрын
As a note, there is difference between something moving up and getting banned: If a pokemon moves up a tier, it means it is common enough in that new tier, not necessarily that it was overpowered in the tier below it. On the other hand, a pokemon that is banned is overpowered in the tier, but not necessarily good enough for the tier above it. Functionally they are the same; you can only use it in the higher tier, but there is a distinction. Also a pokemon can be both banned from a tier and move up. For example, after Garbodor was banned from PU, it did move up to NU anyway. If Garbodor were to ever drop down again, it would never reach PU because it was banned already. Might make a video about this concept just to make it really clear, because I know i was confused about the difference between moving up and down and bans when i started playing, because functionally they're the same thing
@puppieslovies
@puppieslovies 2 жыл бұрын
Well there are BL tiers so it's not exactly the same, the site does actually label unviable pokemon differently
@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917
@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, isn't PU above NU?
@puppieslovies
@puppieslovies 2 жыл бұрын
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 PU is literally a joke tier for garbage pokemon It is currently the lowest
@diegoxavier9107
@diegoxavier9107 2 жыл бұрын
@@puppieslovies Not even anymore, because PU is freaking massive. It's unfair to still call it a joke tier or garbage
@puppieslovies
@puppieslovies 2 жыл бұрын
@@diegoxavier9107 that is why it was designed, though. If people enjoy playing with the worst pokemon, that doesn't change the fact that the format is supposed to be as low power as you can get without using NFE mons It's currently about as popular as RU and NU which doesn't say much
@krypt1ccc739
@krypt1ccc739 2 жыл бұрын
I liked this length of video ik its not always feasible but this was the perfect size for fun facts but also to go into a little depth
@alfaembr1241
@alfaembr1241 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% sometimes even though the topic is interesting and well summarized, it is sometimes a bit too short. This one was perfect !
@enigmatic2878
@enigmatic2878 2 жыл бұрын
Highly agreed
@BestgirlJordanfish
@BestgirlJordanfish 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this. I adore the shorts and playlists, but this really gives a varied exploration I personally have found myself really enjoying
@randompersonm8011
@randompersonm8011 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that Pokémon like MEGA FUCKING BEEDRILL was once in the PU tier is funny to me
@fusionxtras
@fusionxtras 2 жыл бұрын
I loved mega beedrill it was so funny that they made a mon go from paper to super deadly paper
@shytendeakatamanoir9740
@shytendeakatamanoir9740 2 жыл бұрын
@@fusionxtras You mean Kartana?
@MogusMasterSaikawa22
@MogusMasterSaikawa22 2 жыл бұрын
Regular beedrill is amazing
@UncontrolledMadness
@UncontrolledMadness 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdityaSingh-h7q4y bee gets walled by everything in OU tho
@heatran5717
@heatran5717 2 жыл бұрын
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 me when 0 SpA Charmander Ember vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kartana: 268-324 (103.4 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@poejavelski148
@poejavelski148 2 жыл бұрын
Similarly, Mega Salamence, one of the best pokemon even in Ubers, was once in OU. It completely terrorized the tier while it was there.
@dm9910
@dm9910 2 жыл бұрын
Arguably the most ridiculous mon to ever be OU legal. Same attack as Lando-I, faster than Starmie, more special attack than Raikou, as much defense as Rhyperior, 2 insanely good abils with Intimidate on entry then upgrading to Aerilate, and a complete bullshit movepool with answers to basically ever single counter you can imagine
@poejavelski148
@poejavelski148 2 жыл бұрын
@@dm9910 Very well put 👍
@N12015
@N12015 2 жыл бұрын
@@dm9910 -Lando-I is not faster than Starmie (115 vs 101), but is just faster than mons like Mew, Both Mega-Charizard, both Zapdos, Celebi, Mega-Medicham, Mega-Gardevoir, Salamence, Jirachi, Manaphy, Gliscor, Krookodile, Hydreigon, Volcarona, Kyurem, Zygarde, Tapu Lele and Urshifu.- PS: Oops, wrong post. You are talking about M-Salamence. That thing is gross due to what you mentioned. Btw, it had MORE attack than Landorus-I, not equal, and also higher attack than A FREAKING MELMETAL, with good special coverage, Dragon dance, roost and a 234 BP double edge or a more conservative 199 BP return. It was one of the 2 best megas IN UBERS alongside the equally absurd Mega-Gengar, who luckily got instabanned due to Shadow tag.
@webbowser8834
@webbowser8834 2 жыл бұрын
@@N12015 Funny thing is that Mega Salemence was so busted, it was literally banned before ORAS even dropped. Due to leaks, Smogon knew what Mega Mance's stats were gonna be and released a "beta OU" ladder that very quickly proved it was dumb. Other funny thing, Mega Mance was actually considered unviable in ubers for awhile because it had to compete rather directly with Mega Rayquaza. Upon Mega Ray's ban, Mega Mance quickly went from D tier to S tier in a matter of days.
@skeche5038
@skeche5038 2 жыл бұрын
I think marshadow in gen 7 was worse
@dtexdarkus
@dtexdarkus 2 жыл бұрын
The same situation happened in gen 8, when Arctozolt and Arctovish got their hidden abilities while they were still legal in NU. For the 8 days left before the next tier shift, those two + Sandslash completely and utterly dunked on the tier, so much so that they quickbanned Arctozolt as soon as it was allowed back into the tier again
@amberhernandez
@amberhernandez 2 жыл бұрын
The usage of appropriately-sourced footage from the time is great; I recall seeing the old PNGs and missing backsprites back in the day myself!
@minervadetauro7646
@minervadetauro7646 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing Mega-Lopunny in PU is like that South Park episode where the preschool hockey team had to play against the Detroit Red Wings and get the living crap beaten out of them
@ClintonKE
@ClintonKE 2 жыл бұрын
"A lot of bad Pokémon like Pidgeot." Man Gen 6 and 7 were nice to my favorite bird. Why they have to rip it away?
@stetsonherrick8090
@stetsonherrick8090 2 жыл бұрын
In that same vein, you can't say Ampharos didn't get real scary despite the fact it's moves fell slightly short. You'd think between Thunderbolt/Discharge, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast and Signal Beam it would give a lot of opponents pause. And enough bulk to not be easily one shot.
@ChuckShnozwell
@ChuckShnozwell 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing serperior in pu is even more cursed than seeing mega beedrill there
@IanMalcolm99
@IanMalcolm99 2 жыл бұрын
yeah iirc the gen 2 and gen 5 starters only got their hidden abilities released a few months into oras
@silverrey7379
@silverrey7379 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing Serperior using Calm Mind felt so wrong
@The_Pikaboi
@The_Pikaboi Жыл бұрын
No contrary moment
@AttmozGlaishur
@AttmozGlaishur 5 ай бұрын
Real..
@Genericmug
@Genericmug 4 ай бұрын
Carried hard by it's ability
@IrfanFakhrianto
@IrfanFakhrianto 2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit the mic upgrade
@moosen135
@moosen135 Жыл бұрын
4:33 I love the subtle panic in the mouse when the Glalie GIF straight up breaks
@Dragonstorm1234
@Dragonstorm1234 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: due to it's ability (scrappy) mega Lopunny's dual STAB cannot be resisted by any type or type combination
@ConnorMcSchrosch
@ConnorMcSchrosch 2 жыл бұрын
Now if it would do real damage it could be a respectable mon, I love me some strong fighting types, so Imma pass on mega lop
@limerumpus3589
@limerumpus3589 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConnorMcSchrosch it has 136 base attack with fighting and normal stab
@ConnorMcSchrosch
@ConnorMcSchrosch 2 жыл бұрын
@@limerumpus3589 and no item slot, it just feels like doing 20% damage total to a random bulky fairy or psychic that is recovered off anyway and then it dies, especially in gen 8 without return
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConnorMcSchrosch mate, it's blazing fast and has 136 base attack. It's great. Sure, it's not going to hit as hard as guts conk, but guts conk can't outspeed shit
@ConnorMcSchrosch
@ConnorMcSchrosch 2 жыл бұрын
@@henriquepacheco7473 lop can't kill shit though, and conk at least has priority, I like me some strong fighting types so I'll pass on mega lop, especially now that it lost return
@cameroncorbin6952
@cameroncorbin6952 2 жыл бұрын
My personak favorite tier of all time was when RU was ruled by Mega Shark, Mega Scept and Mega Pidg. Megas felt overpowering, but in a good way. Was sad when they got banned.
@indiradevi8136
@indiradevi8136 Жыл бұрын
The entire reason togetic went from PU to ru..
@CollieDaze
@CollieDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine you’re just trying to play some PU and then you get beat down by an overpowered question mark
@DrFeho
@DrFeho 2 жыл бұрын
2:22 what A cursed name... XD
@The_Lightless
@The_Lightless 2 жыл бұрын
You know it’s doomed when your counter to mega lopunny is tangela
@limerumpus3589
@limerumpus3589 2 жыл бұрын
Noodle lad vs evil rabbit
@benjaminh.5690
@benjaminh.5690 2 жыл бұрын
I just ran a calc and Tangela surprisingly can switch in. 252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 96-114 (28.7 - 34.1%) -- 1.5% chance to 3HKO
@The_Lightless
@The_Lightless 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminh.5690 lopunny learns ice punch and check adamant. It takes one outplay turn and lopunny player wins easily
@benjaminh.5690
@benjaminh.5690 2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Lightless 252+ Atk Lopunny-Mega Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 82-98 (24.5 - 29.3%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO vs 252+ Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 106-126 (31.7 - 37.7%) -- 90% chance to 3HKO HJK does more.
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminh.5690 I never tire of seeing people underestimate how thicc a single noodly boy can be.
@djdrizzy9139
@djdrizzy9139 2 жыл бұрын
Megas are awesome; I'd love to see the meta with a new megas expansion. Mega Loppuny is really fun to use!
@demi-femme4821
@demi-femme4821 2 жыл бұрын
Fuck, I'd settle for them bringing back the non-problematic ones. Let me use the rabbit to annihilate people with perfectly unresisted STAB.
@MidoriNatsume
@MidoriNatsume 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! I wish Mega Lopunny was usable in Diamond/Pearl games... Imran only hope the gen 6 remakes will feature it.
@djdrizzy9139
@djdrizzy9139 2 жыл бұрын
@@MidoriNatsume It's ridiculous that we can't access the mega forms of Sinnoh Pokémon in their own region via BDSP. The opportunity was right there!
@ktbmk
@ktbmk 2 жыл бұрын
@@djdrizzy9139 much more funny when in Lets Go we can do it, even tho pokemon cant held items
@aSh-pi1in
@aSh-pi1in 2 жыл бұрын
An OM that makes Gigantamax forms megas would be amazing
@tomregor7407
@tomregor7407 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Freezai, thank you for your very interesting videos. If it ever comes down to it I would love to see a video explaining why Dragapult in banned in National Dex OU but not in Regular OU. It's something I never quite got the hang of it, but I would be very interested to learn about.
@jns0808
@jns0808 2 жыл бұрын
Basically has to do with Ghostium Z giving it a free physical STAB move which it previously lacked and had to use phantom force for
@tomregor7407
@tomregor7407 2 жыл бұрын
@@jns0808 Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot of sense.
@iantaakalla8180
@iantaakalla8180 2 жыл бұрын
Still, it is enough of a quirk that it warrants a video.
@TalkingVidya
@TalkingVidya 2 жыл бұрын
I miss megas so much They were unhealthy af for the meta but looked super cool
@destructo771
@destructo771 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I liked them more than Z-Moves and Dynamax. You knew exactly what you were dealing with at Team Preview and could adjust accordingly. There were alot of overpowered mons, but they settled down into their proper tiers at the end of the day( besides Mega Ray I guess). The only Megas I didn't like in the tiers was Mega Medicham/Mawile in OU and Mega Altaria in UU, but I liked how the others could be used Offensively and Defensively.
@mrex666productions7
@mrex666productions7 2 жыл бұрын
Way better than Dynamax.
@ShinyMew76
@ShinyMew76 2 жыл бұрын
I wish we got mega mew, mega Gallade, lucario, are a couple of my favorite mega designs. Altaria is very fluffy.
@yep9462
@yep9462 2 жыл бұрын
@@destructo771 Yep, Megas were far more fun than either. The other two were just unhealthy and not fun to play around, while Megas were essentially another new Pokemon that was added, some of which were hilariously broken while others were just decent in lower tiers
@Blanktester685
@Blanktester685 8 күн бұрын
Tera and dynamax are worse for the Meta lmao
@sand9442
@sand9442 2 жыл бұрын
Mega Beedrill is by far my favourite mega evo. I used to always draft this mon in draft leagues and is still to this day on my Nat dex team and wrecks havoc everywhere.
@emerylafleur
@emerylafleur 2 жыл бұрын
sounding nice and crisp with the new mic, keep up the good work
@ectoboggan4732
@ectoboggan4732 2 жыл бұрын
I was playing a lot of RU at the time, and I remember M-Lopunny destroying RU, and Cresselia was everywhere to counter it x)
@bdt2002gaming
@bdt2002gaming 2 жыл бұрын
Video request: From what I can find, there is only one modern tier (Gen 3 or later) existence where there is only one Pokémon in its BL equivalent. That would be Sceptile, being the only Gen 6 NUBL Pokémon. I’ve wondered for a while what happened here to warrant only a single Pokémon ever being banned. Was it like a “Brawl Meta Knight” situation? Or was everything else just that much weaker?
@Salnax
@Salnax 2 жыл бұрын
Sceptile in NU had a combination of incredible speed and the right combo of moves and stats to be either a potent physical or special attacker, making it unpredictable and letting it counter different threats. The Unburden ability let it outspeed even Choice Scarfers.
@Quite_Quiet
@Quite_Quiet 2 жыл бұрын
Sceptile was not the only Pokemon banned from NU, but it was the only Pokemon that remained there until the end of the generation. Other Pokemon that got banned (Typhlosion, Magneton or Gallade for example) at some point got enough usage to move to RU proper so it isn't represented in the banlist.
@bdt2002gaming
@bdt2002gaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@Quite_Quiet Ah. I must not have been around multiplayer at this time.
@GliscorCODM
@GliscorCODM 2 жыл бұрын
gen 6 uu was possibly one of the best meta tiers smogon has ever had i remember for about it was a year to a year and a half Pidgeot mega, Victini, Mega Altaria and CB/CS DARM were all allowed and not banned for that long pidgeot was just so strong with stab hurricane that it could pivot in and out do damage with hurricane or heatwave and fast u turn out + RNJesus clearly loved the 10% confusion chance sm which was an important part of it eventual ban mega altaria was just a big bulky set up mon it was defensive as heck and had great typing with access to DD strong physical dragon moves + EQ or run a mixed attack set victini was the stable mon of the tier thing needed the eventual ban CB or CS sets could always 2hko and thay victory star accuracy bonus to all mons on team was super nuts UU in gen 6 was my favourite tier of all time it had so many hard hitters but so many defensive tanks or walls that it can be argued as one of the greatest tier metagames smogon has ever had (if u think differently then fine each to their own opinion)
@aaronwong235
@aaronwong235 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how salamence went from ubers to uu despit having a mega and tyranitar remain in ou and was use more in normal form and not mega form
@ogfatalis2713
@ogfatalis2713 2 жыл бұрын
Mega Beedrill was definitely not a UU staple, it was in the tier but was very hard to fit on teams, was walled easily, and was forced to use protect just to mega evolve, on top of hating the ever prominent scald spam
@CollieDaze
@CollieDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Me: trying to learn about competitive Pokémon history The background game: ASSLICKER
@leafshavingtool9185
@leafshavingtool9185 2 жыл бұрын
3:21 Everyone: Oh, the megas got banned. Me: *the fall of the leaf king*
@armorbearer9702
@armorbearer9702 2 жыл бұрын
(0:29) I wish Game Freak concentrated more on more of the little known Pokémon. I want to see a Mega Zangoose and Seviper.
@turtlenator6249
@turtlenator6249 2 жыл бұрын
Had a theory mon idea where what if certain Pokémon like Giratina-O didn’t need a held item to use origin form.
@silverrey7379
@silverrey7379 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine Primal Groudon with a choice scarf, a choice band, or a life orb
@drchunkalicious
@drchunkalicious 2 жыл бұрын
@@silverrey7379 oh god my eyes
@silverrey7379
@silverrey7379 2 жыл бұрын
@@drchunkalicious exactly
@drchunkalicious
@drchunkalicious 2 жыл бұрын
@@silverrey7379 pls no
@Endy___
@Endy___ 2 жыл бұрын
@@silverrey7379 Primal groudon holding air balloon, just sounds like a disaster.
@BlockBlazer
@BlockBlazer 2 жыл бұрын
...I'm sorry. DID YOU SAY TANJILLA
@FreezaiPokemon
@FreezaiPokemon 2 жыл бұрын
TANGELA LIKE TANGERINE i swear it made sense in my head
@BlockBlazer
@BlockBlazer 2 жыл бұрын
@@FreezaiPokemon I guess everyone messes up sometimes. xD
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 2 жыл бұрын
@@FreezaiPokemon nono, you're right, it makes more sense that way.
@gakster
@gakster 2 жыл бұрын
Your mic sounds alot better now!
@BananaReidy
@BananaReidy 2 жыл бұрын
Mega Evo needs to return. A lot of pokemon needed them for buffs.
@Sevenes7-S
@Sevenes7-S 2 жыл бұрын
Could you upload a video covering why Wingull is banned in Gen 7 LC? It seems to have mediocre stats compared to Pokémon like Abra or Ponyta.
@athyestic8374
@athyestic8374 2 жыл бұрын
The original comment that I posted was about rain. I'm an idiot. Wingull doesn't even get Drizzle. Ignore me, listen to the guy underneath me.
@petrie911
@petrie911 2 жыл бұрын
Wingull is very fast (ties Abra), has two great STABs in Scald and Hurricane (often Z-boosted), and even has good utility moves like Roost, Defog, U-turn, and Knock Off to round out its set. What seems to have pushed it over the edge is the RNG factor of its main STAB moves. 30% burn, 30% miss, and 30% confuse make for some very swingy games.
@bvd_vlvd
@bvd_vlvd 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, these old spikes really bring back memories. I kinda prefer them to new ones honestly
@pitdarkangel2961
@pitdarkangel2961 2 жыл бұрын
I was playing a lot of NU at this time, I remember that for a few weeks everything was centered around Mega Sceptile and Mega Altaria.
@marioponce8482
@marioponce8482 2 жыл бұрын
4:55 **Freezai talks about how Mega Camerupt is really strong with it's Sheer Force ability.** Camerupt: **misses Fire Blast** Also Camerupt: "NOBODY SAW THAT!"
@stetsonherrick8090
@stetsonherrick8090 2 жыл бұрын
If Sheer Force is boosting you, just run Flamethrower and *don't* screw yourself to hell on the Accuracy. Power doesn't mean jack if you can't aim well.
@Asch_Ente
@Asch_Ente 2 жыл бұрын
@@stetsonherrick8090 Statistically Fire Blast will hit most of the times you need it to - it has 85% acc after all. It's a completely non-negligible power difference that is the difference between OHKOs and 2HKOs. If laddering the large sample size of games should make up for 85% accuracy, even if it feels like shit to sometimes miss two in one game, etc. Saying run Flamethrower because you have a Sheer Force boost is silly because Fire Blast also gets a Sheer Force boost.
@Pudu2909
@Pudu2909 2 жыл бұрын
it's amazing how you can do history videos of like 4 hours, great content!
@Ryomo009
@Ryomo009 2 жыл бұрын
Lol the Lopunny being nicknamed Cabrona killed me 🤣
@sagacious03
@sagacious03 2 жыл бұрын
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@thequarky1
@thequarky1 2 жыл бұрын
did you just say tanjela
@tyriaa
@tyriaa 2 жыл бұрын
living for the CBB cameo
@erdemd5854
@erdemd5854 2 жыл бұрын
“Man, musharna is too hard to deal with, let’s ban it” ORAS comes out Man, what are these new pokemon? Megas? Better not bee too powerful 5 minutes later: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
@AceAviations2
@AceAviations2 8 ай бұрын
Then there was that time where the newly released Contrary Serperior was still down in NU?, where the ONLY thing preventing a Serperior sweep was Sap Sipper Milktank. Another time where something EXTREMELY overpowered for the tier was added in a way that didn't alter the tiering.
@ogmechsftw
@ogmechsftw 2 жыл бұрын
Sooooooo mega metagross started in RU? now this i want to see some footage of
@robertofratello5203
@robertofratello5203 Жыл бұрын
Something like that happened last gen with the DLCs with NFEs all starting untiered. We had 1-2 days of scyter and porygon2 destroying PU and ZU
@competitivepokemonfans2672
@competitivepokemonfans2672 2 жыл бұрын
It surprises me how some pu pokemon could beat the overpowered mega pokemon especially in lickilicky it was like "Why did mega pidgeot was banned from uu when a pu pokemon that doesn't even resist it stab could walled it?"
@brianchan8
@brianchan8 2 жыл бұрын
Well, there is a reason why people in uu don’t use lickilicky, and forcing everyone to use it is bad
@competitivepokemonfans2672
@competitivepokemonfans2672 2 жыл бұрын
@@brianchan8 Some pokemon are good in higher tier but worse in lower tier like reuniclus it was a very good pokemon in gen 8 ou but reuniclus was worse in uu or with mega camerupt in this video
@someone-cs1ix
@someone-cs1ix 2 жыл бұрын
wait that means mega Metagross started in ru then right? lmao that must have been banned in literal minutes
@silverrey7379
@silverrey7379 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine using your Cinccino in your team because you think it's neat, and then the opponent pulls out a Mega Metagross lmao
@brromo
@brromo 2 жыл бұрын
I bet that by the time Kalos remakes come around that there will be enough power creep for megas to return to PU
@EricKingOfScots
@EricKingOfScots 2 жыл бұрын
How does smogon handle the tier system at the dawn of a new generation? Could you do a video on that?
@drchunkalicious
@drchunkalicious 2 жыл бұрын
they put every new pokemon into OU and then tier down/up based on usage. the percentage of teams that use the pokemon
@yep9462
@yep9462 2 жыл бұрын
@@drchunkalicious they also unban some ubers (the ones with 600 bst rather than 680) to see if they are still broken, with the answer more often than not being yes. most ridiculous was probably when they put darkrai and deoA back in early gen 5 ou
@garchompdude
@garchompdude 2 жыл бұрын
Talk about how Musharna got banned pls
@mikekostrzewski7813
@mikekostrzewski7813 2 жыл бұрын
Geez ORAS release date was in 2014? Man I’m getting old
@Terrified_Dartanyan
@Terrified_Dartanyan Жыл бұрын
That officially makes Mega Camerupt the only Mega that actually wandered PU without getting banned
@jakemoore5064
@jakemoore5064 2 жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see a video about how mega bee will always just be a tier lower than scizor due to scizor always being better than it. Just like that celebi zarude video, maybe a few more pokemkn like that.. I love the content.
@geekymedia1614
@geekymedia1614 2 жыл бұрын
I had mega camerupt + dry skin toxicroak team once in UU, it worked pretty well until a point
@denaris2227
@denaris2227 2 жыл бұрын
Mic upgrade is insane dude!
@MrSchaick
@MrSchaick 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting in the defenisions of the abillitys
@carlwheezer5616
@carlwheezer5616 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else miss the spikes visualisation during this time period?
@altariamotives16
@altariamotives16 2 жыл бұрын
I still remember, with great fondness, the one day that Marshadow was in OU
@marcuswong730
@marcuswong730 Жыл бұрын
4:00 "so, what are you all in this suspect test for" Mega Camerupt: "I have 145 special attack and sheer force fire blast making me basically tapu lele" Garbodor: "oh i set spikes and toxic spikes in one pokemon slot so im, uh, pretty darn useful"
@kickerich9402
@kickerich9402 2 жыл бұрын
idk if this is the first video i recognise it, but the new mic quality is a big upgrade to prior!
@258thHiGuy
@258thHiGuy 2 жыл бұрын
I still love that they called the worst tier PU
@Clonekiller66
@Clonekiller66 Жыл бұрын
Back before Serperior suddenly yeeted all the up to OU.
@liamthecrusader5056
@liamthecrusader5056 2 жыл бұрын
Lol the heatmor name
@karakuri.kujira
@karakuri.kujira 2 жыл бұрын
Never said that because I didn't want to sound rude, but I can hear you finally did something about your bad microphone, so it does not cut randomly anymore. Love your voice, and keep up the great work!
@TheRealHelvetica
@TheRealHelvetica 2 жыл бұрын
This is probably the first time I ever heard someone pronounce it “tanjela” Not trying to be mean about pronunciation of fictional animals. I say “Arseeus” instead of “Arkayus”.
@Takkunda
@Takkunda 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how old freezai is. Tangela was a gen 1 pokemon, so most people pronounce it as tan ge la because of the anime.
@KindaKaon
@KindaKaon 2 жыл бұрын
New mic goes hard as hell
@bakurasensei
@bakurasensei 2 жыл бұрын
Whoever saw the stats on those megas and decided not to quickban them immediately just wanted to see pure chaos lmao
@Nako3
@Nako3 2 жыл бұрын
Mega Lopunny is my favourite Pokemon after Ambipom
@S.I.S
@S.I.S Жыл бұрын
Mega pokemon, in pu? That could never happen! Wait...
@EvanFarshadow
@EvanFarshadow 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at Mega Camerupt, im curious just how many pokemon are overpowered in a higher tier to the point of being banned, but would be completely fine in lower tiers.
@dhvsheabdh
@dhvsheabdh Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, thunderbolt as good coverage for Garbodor against enemy togetic...
@PlaguevonKarma
@PlaguevonKarma 2 жыл бұрын
You'd love the time Kyurem-Black was UU. I think it was early SM...
@hectorrios5883
@hectorrios5883 2 жыл бұрын
the name of the mega lopunny from the miniature reads "asshole" (or words alike) in spanish
@SgtKickass926
@SgtKickass926 2 жыл бұрын
lmao at Mega Lopunny's nickname @1:54
@TalkingVidya
@TalkingVidya 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, she is
@YuseiTheSynchroHero
@YuseiTheSynchroHero 2 жыл бұрын
Your new mic is OP and must be banned to UUBL. :]
@silverrey7379
@silverrey7379 2 жыл бұрын
Too strong, send it to AG
@zukiezuke
@zukiezuke 2 жыл бұрын
God I miss megas. Such an obvious good idea that was mostly well received and somehow the lesson gamefreak learned was just do a gimmick that may or may not be awful every gen and then abandon it.
@ShinyGBZ
@ShinyGBZ 2 жыл бұрын
Love the new mic!
@BagelEnjoyer
@BagelEnjoyer 2 жыл бұрын
Omg von kaiser punch out!!! Hi
@ShinyGBZ
@ShinyGBZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@BagelEnjoyer In the flesh
@Healcannon
@Healcannon 2 жыл бұрын
I've never heard tangela pronounced that way before. Interesting take.
@dogsneezer259
@dogsneezer259 2 жыл бұрын
KZbin started this video 5 seconds into it..
@regalstar
@regalstar 5 ай бұрын
Video on when Terrakion was in PU for two hours when
@DefinitelyNotAFerret
@DefinitelyNotAFerret 2 жыл бұрын
That lowkey sounds depressing… “I’m on the PU Council” 😅
@thebrownsnoutman9970
@thebrownsnoutman9970 2 жыл бұрын
My guy aggron sittin there
@kdeas10
@kdeas10 2 жыл бұрын
Or as came out in 2014? Fuck I feel old
@DemiIsNotHere
@DemiIsNotHere 2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha Lopunny on thumbnail its called cabrona
@jaspermidnight850
@jaspermidnight850 2 жыл бұрын
like pyranitar said it’s so fucking funny to think off the best pokemon ever being subject to the “this stinks like shit” tier
@SpooxyCowboy1911
@SpooxyCowboy1911 2 жыл бұрын
The name of the lopuny tho 😭
@windwaker0rules
@windwaker0rules 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that Mega Lopunny probably was less broken in PU than Mega Salamance was in OU.
@silverrey7379
@silverrey7379 2 жыл бұрын
What about Mega Metagross in RU?
@henriquepacheco7473
@henriquepacheco7473 2 жыл бұрын
MLop did have a kind-of counter in Tangela, which could eat pretty much any hit and regen it off if it didn't get its eviolite knocked off. Don't remember what mega mence in OU was like, so I can't comment much on that side of the equation.
@TheWonkster
@TheWonkster 2 жыл бұрын
It's a tangle of vines, not a tangerine
@Rye-Uh
@Rye-Uh 2 жыл бұрын
2014? Man I feel old
@bump3770
@bump3770 2 жыл бұрын
Bump for the Bump God
@jormungardwe
@jormungardwe Жыл бұрын
should've metion the most treatening destructive forces that came from omega ruby and alpha saphire, not talking about the obvious mega rayquaza that made a tier of his own, but about Sableye so overpower that mega sableye was nerfed by Nintendo itself in the very next game.
@MogusMasterSaikawa22
@MogusMasterSaikawa22 2 жыл бұрын
Lopunny ended my streak in battle tower bdsp Thunder wave swagger I forgot the rest of its moves but it doesn’t matter Mach punch maybe? I hate it so much
@TechHug
@TechHug 2 жыл бұрын
Are we not gonna talk about that pronunciation of Tangela?
@Gamerboy-xr2wd
@Gamerboy-xr2wd 2 жыл бұрын
New mic? Sounds crisp👍
@DarthNoshitam
@DarthNoshitam 2 жыл бұрын
I so badly wish their was a tier where you could use multiple megas... Or all megas
@electroman1022
@electroman1022 2 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of Mix and Mega?
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