When Protestants Claim that Catholics Worship Mary

[@markwelch9250]

First time Ive ever been this early! Asking for the intercession of the Blessed Mother and starting to pray the Rosary when I was first considering converting not only helped me definitely quite porn but gave me concrete assurance that the Catholic Church is true and Established by Christ alone. She is not worshipped, but hyper venerated, not because of who she is on her own, but because of Who She gave birth too, and what that means for all of us. ( I look forward to seeing where the comment section goes.)

[@evelynvazquez6034]

I ❤ my Catholic church❤

[@eiffeltower5000]

We can also say that Jesus entrusted himself to Mary when he was incarnated through the womb of Mary. And, when Jesus entrusted John to Mary at the foot of the cross, it's as if saying, John go to my mother as she will take care of you as she has taken care of me. Finally, if it was a sin to go to Mary, why didn't Jesus scold the servants in the wedding of Cana when they went to Mary first and not to Jesus. The miracle at the wedding of Cana paved the way for Jesus to do his first miracle, it tells you a lot on the role of Mary in the history of our salvation.

[@techwizpc4484]

When Jesus taught the Our Father, did he ever mention his mother?

[@user-ks3qr5fk6m]

@@techwizpc4484No one is arguing that he did. Is it possible to love God and your family at the same time? Yes! Obviously Christ is God and died for our sins, but we can ask others to pray for us. It doesn’t mean that we trust God less.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@techwizpc4484 I'm going to hold you to your logic. In the Our Father, does Jesus ever invoke the name of the Holy Spirit? By your logic therefore, we are not to rely on Jesus or the Holy Spirit, and only to the Father and He alone. So the question then becomes, are you a Trinitarian or a non-Trinitarian masquerading as one?

[@techwizpc4484]

@@alisterrebelo9013 By your logic the Holy Spirit is a separate entity from the Father and Son. Try again.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

@@techwizpc4484 Are you a Trinitarian or a non-Trinitarian?

[@RodrigoGarcia-es8es]

Great content, thanks. From Santiago, Chile

[@southernlady1109]

Asking Virgin Mary & Saints for prayers as we ask our own family & friends, is for our benefit. They have eternal life in Heaven, God heeds their prayers as they prevail over many things. God does not refuse His Mother! But God willed that this work of salvation be accomplished through the collaboration of a woman, while respecting her free will (Gal. 4:4). He said where two or more are gathered, He is among them. It’s nice to have an army of the Just praying for us & with us. Jn 11:25-26, Pro 15:29, Jm 5:16, Rev 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11, 7:11-15, 8:3-4, 11:19, 12:1-17, Lk 1:28, 35, 42-43, Jn 2:3-11.

[@psims931]

As someone looking to join the Catholic church, the over infatuation of Mary is what's holding me back. I can understand asking her for intercession and acknowledging her as the mother of God, due to her giving birth to Jesus. She is the most blessed among women (and men). While I don't see asking her to pray for us as a bad thing, a lot of Catholics do take it way too far. There are days set aside just for her in the Church. One coming up next week. I love Mary, but like I said in a comment below, God could of used Gary or Terri to bless with what he did her. I've seen where several people say, "without Mary, there would be no Jesus". I believe that she is in Heaven and high up, but not as high up on the pedestal that a lot of Catholics put her at. Adore her, love her, ask for intercession, but that should be the extent of it, in my opinion. Please tell me where I'm wrong. Seriously, this is the only thing holding me back. Help me understand.

[@einarrjamesson9643]

@psims931 I am no theologian or apologist and someone from the CA team may be answering you soon in a much more complete way. Two things convinced me, the typology of Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant and the con and the same "if you touch it you die" reverence applied to her brought full circle combined with the second part of the Jewish tradition of the mother of the king being the queen and where that would place Mary in the hierarchy of heaven if we look at the kingdom of Heaven being represented in the practices of the chosen people of God.

[@sandydepiedras6372]

...I'll try.... It seems that you are seeking the level or degree on how to honor or adore Mary the mother of Christ...and by looking on how other catholic that seems exaggerated on venerating Mary is either confusing or giving doubt.... ....as long as the honor, adoration (vaneration) to Mary is not a form of worship( latrea) that is accepted, ... veneration to Mary is hyperdulia a highest form of veneration for other saint is duliah level.... ...God Himself honor Mary who is the daughter of God the Father, the mother of the Word who became flesh and the spouse of the Holy Spirit .... As God honor Mary....kindly give her the proper highest honor but not worship....

[@revelation12_1]

Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, the New Eve. She is prefigured in the Old Testament by Eve, Judith, Ruth, Sarah, Miriam, Rahab, Deborah, Jael, Esther, the mother of the martyrs, the mother of the church. The problem is your lack of understanding of scripture and the promise. You’ve been wrongly taught that you have the knowledge and authority to interpret scripture. The answer to your problem is not Mary, the answer is whether you believe Jesus gave all authority to his church. If you believe that, then you must accept what the church has revealed. Remember that Jesus obeyed the commandments perfectly which included to honor your mother. There is no earthly person who was capable of honoring anyone more perfectly than Jesus and he honored her with a perfect love. New Adam, New Eve. Take this to prayer and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Many of us were led into the church by Mary. I was. You cannot love her too much because no one loves her more than Jesus. God bless.

[@Deep34536]

There's a significant difference between prayer and worship. We pray to Mary and the saints is a form of asking for their intercession. It’s like requesting someone to pray for you. We believe that Mary and the saints, being close to God, can pray to God on their behalf. However, this does not equate to worshiping them. Worship is reserved for God alone. ➕

[@GodEater365]

As much as I love Mama Mary, I’ll never love her more than Jesus does. I renew my consecration on the Feast of her Glorious Assumption, as my wife and kids make their consecrations for the first time. HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE!!! ❤

[@evelynvazquez6034]

❤amen

[@ezekielad8423]

In John’s Gospel, we read that Jesus performed His first miracle because Mary asked Him to. Even though He first responded with, “Woman, what concern is that to you and to me? My hour has not yet come,” He still honored her request and performed the miracle. The Bible shows that Jesus never denies His mother’s requests, so what’s wrong with praying to Mary for her intercession?

[@techwizpc4484]

Can Mary hear those prayers in the first place? You might just be wasting your time. And you're gonna use Mary to circumvent a prayer that may not be approved? What if you prayed for something Jesus does not approve of because it's not the best route for your life or answering it is more trouble than it is worth, your gonna use his mother? Very sneaky.

[@ezekielad8423]

@@techwizpc4484You seem to be someone who doesn't have a grasp on the situation but is still trying to give advice. I find that rather misguided. And yes, Yes, I believe that Mother Mary hears our prayers and intercedes with her Son on our behalf. This is my time, and I can spend it as I choose. You seem to be reacting like a kindergarten child. My belief is that I can ask anyone to pray for me. I've chosen to ask Mary to intercede on my behalf.

[@ezekielad8423]

@@techwizpc4484 and fyi, "We honor Mary and ask for her intercession, but our worship and prayers are always directed to Jesus, who is our Savior. The Bible encourages us to pray directly to Jesus, and asking Mary to intercede does not replace our direct relationship with Him. It’s a way to seek her support and guidance while keeping Jesus at the center of our faith."

[@techwizpc4484]

@@ezekielad8423 Why? Don't you trust Jesus that you need his mother's help to get your prayers through? Do you know who the real intercessor is? The high priest? That's Jesus not Mary. That's his job not Mary. If your default position when praying is "Jesus won't listen to my prayers so I need Mary", then maybe you have issues with your faith.

[@ezekielad8423]

@@techwizpc4484 who told u that I don't trust jesus😂😂😂 I trust fully in Jesus Christ, my Savior, with all my heart. but I also have a special love and reverence for my Mother Mary. I seek her prayers, not because my faith in Christ is lacking, but because I honor her and believe in her powerful intercession before the Lord.

[@jworthington8186]

Beware: 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@bibleman8010]

There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit Baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams. they are purveyors of ‘self-centered worship.' You may get people to come to those churches, and you may have church growth. But you will not have church impact. The reason is that church becomes increasingly like the culture. People go in, see a skit, listen to some music, hear a soothing sermon, and think they have done their Christian duty. They are entering the exact precarious position the mainline found itself in the '60s and '70s." if salvation is by "faith only" it excludes even faith gained by reading the Bible.

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

Catholics do not worship Mary. Pray means to ask or to humbly request. We are asking Mary to pray for us. Forget the English look at the latin The Catholic Church always has taught that a Christian can worship only God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. No creature, no matter how good or beautiful-no angel, no saint, not even the Virgin Mary-deserves the adoration only afforded to God. Worship as a word in English doesnt distinguish between the veneration we give to saints and Mary and the worship only due to God. Worship has multiple meanings in Latin. Latria means worship to God alone. Dulia is honour given to saints and hyperdulia is the veneration of Mary. In English all mean worship but in Catholic tradition there is a distinction. She isn't God. In official Catholic teachings Mary is there to: "prompt the faithful to come to her son" Mary is not God. She is there to direct worship to God, not to supplant him.

[@TJMcCarty]

Consecrating your entire self to Mary is not simply "asking Mary to pray for you". Taylor Marshal recently prayed a traditional Catholic prayer to Mary saying "I offer my whole body, soul, heart, and all my prayers to you Mary." That's not simply asking her to pray for you. That is the definition of worship Paul gave in Romans 12:1: "I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship." - Romans 12:1

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

@TJMcCarty thank you for your response brother. I love your videos. Saw one about sacraments and have Catholics have it right. I pray you find the true Church. Forgive me. I rewrote my response to do a better job. Consecrating myself entirely to Mary is not about supplanting God but about deepening my relationship with Him. It's like being young and entrusting my well-being to my mother while interacting with the government. My mother advocates for me, drawing on her resppnsibility, her love, her authority and relationship, while I maintain my status as a citizen. Similarly, Mary, filled with grace and uniquely favored by God, is my spiritual mother. Her intercession is powerful, as she is already in heaven, directly connected to God. Trusting her doesn't diminish my faith in God but enhances it. It's like recognizing the value of a trusted advisor without abdicating responsibility. Just as my mother's support complements my role as a citizen, Mary's intercession complements my direct relationship with God. My relationship with Mary helps foster spiritual growth and holiness. Consecrating myself to Mary is a way of acknowledging her special place in God's plan and seeking her maternal guidance on my spiritual journey, without detracting from my direct relationship with God.

[@TJMcCarty]

@@YeshuaIsLord7777 ​ Thanks for watching! I just don't think it's safe to consecrate yourself to anyone but God. "Consecrate" means to offer yourself as a sacred vessel to be used by a deity. You're offering your body and soul and heart and your entire self as a sacred tool for use to Mary rather than to God. It means you are making yourself "holy unto Mary". "Holy" means to be set apart for the use of a particular deity. It's an example of replacing God with Mary, these kinds of prayers. This is idolatry, which idolatry just means you're replacing God with someone or something else. That's why coveting is considered idolatry too, because you're not content with what God has given you, so you have made an object of lust your god in place of the One True God. We should be making ourselves holy unto God, not Mary. Mary didn't die for us, she is a servant of God. Mary said she needed a Savior too in the Gospels. Mary is not the one we consecrate ourselves to.

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

@TJMcCarty I agree that she is a servant of God. She is serving God by interceding on our behalf. Intercession is biblical and in tradition. Its not about what you or I think, with all due respect. Just as you leverage your pastor as a spiritual guide without worshipping them, we can rely on Mary's grace-filled intercession to guide us on our spiritual journey. By consecrating ourselves to Mary, we open ourselves to a profound level of vulnerability. You are vulnerable in Church listening to your pastor. You are opening yourself to the Bible via them. Your pastor hasn't finished the race, yet you trust them once a week every week. Now imagine Mary full of Grace. It's akin to a child trusting their mother completely, knowing she will always act in their best interest. Our mother is not God, yet we trust her. Mary is in heaven with God, and I trust her with my soul.

[@stcyprian642]

@@TJMcCarty Per Merriam-Webster, "Consecrate" can mean "to devote irrevocably to the worship of God," but it can also mean "to devote to a purpose with or as if with deep solemnity or dedication." It seems you are assuming it can mean only the former, but Catholics are extending the definition to include the latter. Similarly, "worship" can have two meanings: 1: to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power 2: to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion And "pray": 1: to make a request in a humble manner 2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

[@jworthington8186]

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; 11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[@bibleman8010]

never see protestant's bow down to Jesus in their meeting halls of demons😊😊

[@robby4105]

1 Timothy 2:5 says that Jesus is the only mediator between God and men. Why then do we need to pray to anyone else but Jesus? Why would God give us the blessings you speak of through anyone other than Jesus? Also in Romans we learn that no one is perfect and all have sinned. The only person in the bible that is mentioned to be without sin is Jesus. Why does Mary have to be perfect in order for Jesus to be born? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[@o.o.2255]

Worship requires sacrifice. We do not sacrifice Mary, we just ask her for intercessory prayer (1 These 2:15) Catholics have 2 meanings of prayer. 1) Like protestants think, worshipping God himself and 2) communicating with the community of living saints, the Cloud of Witnesses (Hebrews 12:1) for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the God of the Living, not the dead. (Luke 20:37) The dead are in hell. Thus, using definition #2 of prayer AND since Mary is in Heaven as a Saint, and NOT being sacrificed when we ask her to pray for us (like asking your friend 1,000 miles away in another state to intercede and pray for you), this CANNOT BE WORSHIP OF MARY! More below: 1) WORSHIP: God's says our lips move but our hearts are far from him. He seeks those who worship Him in Spirit and Truth. This worship always involves Sacrifice (typically in tent, tabernacle, and/or temple with an altar and an offering as in OT). It is not preaching and praise only. Catholics believe THIS is efficacious worship. We believe the Eucharist IS the body and the blood of Christ, not just a symbol. 2) PRAYER: should be done, NOT in the public synagogues, but in closed bedroom of your house or privately like mountain or garden, like Jesus said and did. Not saying that one should not pray in public, but God measures the heart (1 Sam 16:9). If it's pride, there is your reward. 3) TEACHING and preaching was done in Synagogue, (public gathering place) - like Jesus did, NOT the temple. After temple destruction of 70 AD, the Synagogue and Temple were sort of combined. The 3 elements of sacrifice, prayer and teaching continued, via gatherings in homes, and the celebration of Thanksgiving at the "Lord's table" until Catholics could worship freely in public, free from persecution and martyrdom, thus they built the visible churches or modern day temples where all the individual temples come for the sacrifice of the mass. IF we truly worship, there must be a sacrifice (offering) which implies an altar. Catholics separate the locations of the Parish Hall (Modern day Synagogue) from the Mass (Modern day temple for true sacrificial corporate worship in the Eucharist). It does not mean we do not praise, preach/teach, and pray with sacrifices of our lips - we do too. But without the Once and For ALL Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, as if we were present with Jesus that night at the last supper, outside of Space, Time, and Matter (Because God is outside Space, Time, and Matter - see Genesis 1:1), there lacks perfect sacrificial worship in spirit and truth. Jesus' is the eternal (meaning ongoing) New Passover Lamb (of Exodus) sacrifice. ("Your kingdom come on earth, as it is in heaven...") when we celebrated the Lord's Table, it perfectly meets the prophesy of Malachi 1:11 where Gentiles, day and night, offered a PURE sacrifice unto God ("Give us this day, our daily bread..."). The only way this is possible, since Gentiles are not Jewish Levitical Priests nor can they participate in OT Jewish sacrifices,, is through the New Covenant instituted by Jesus through his Catholic Church and delegated to Peter and the ongoing ordination of apostles, is no longer through Levitical priests for Jews only, anymore. Through the Priesthood of Melchizedek, Jesus being the Great Shepherd Priest and those he appointed the Shepherds on Earth, with a Head Shepherd. (John 21:15-19 x 3) Jews and Gentiles, Slave and Free, Man and Woman, Rich and Poor can participate in the perfect sacrifice daily, through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Therefore, Catholics, when asking Mary to intercede only, do not meet these requirements of true worship of her, making our Rosary or praying to the Queen Mother, Mary in Heaven, biblically sound.

[@ShinAk1raSama]

In my experience, we CAN'T respond to a Protestant who insists that we worship Mary. The propaganda is so hard wired in them that they SHALL refuse any refutation or explanation made to them.

[@philfrank5601]

Most likely true, yet the very definition of "worship" also provides opportunity for diagreement. If one knows what worship truly is, then they couldn't possibly make that mistake. Yet many protestants believe that any prayer is a form of worship, or singing of any song about Jesus is worship: it isn't. Worship is something specific. God bless.

[@ShinAk1raSama]

@philfrank5601 Indeed. Hence, why I keep asking them what the definition of prayer is. In a previous encounter with one, he said that I was making strawman arguments by asking him exactly that question. XD Etymologically, to pray means to ask. However, many Protestants choose what definitions pertain to whatever situation fits their views or narratives. Very disingenuous people. I know, because I used to be like that when I was a Baptist and when I was a Pentecostal.

[@donreinke5863]

Because all denials catholics make about Mary worship is nothing but catholic propaganda.

[@Sevenspent]

Yeah, just say the truth to them and let it be. It's our job to plant the seeds, but God will make that seed grow. This is what I am learning. Also, youtube comments aren't that good at converting hearts.

[@gizzelleboccia1806]

A Protestant neighbor stated we cannot pray to the dead. What are the facts? This did confuse me

[@markleviner2540]

I Became a Marian In Holy Spirite! June 9, 2024. My Mother has Changed My Life 4 x over. Peace Out and Love. Been praying and learning more evey day. MMLZZZ

[@johnchrysostom330]

I am Catholic and I worship Mary. Not so fast. I am using the first and original meaning of the word worship which is "worth ship". There are legal courts where magistrates are still called "Your worship".

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

We know who Jesus is: Jesus of Nazareth, Son of Mary, who died on the cross for the redemption of all humanity. And the Church founded by himself is the one founded on apostle Peter. “No Mary, no Jesus” used to say Mother Theresa. You have to accept all the Gospel or reject it entirely. The Gospel is Jesus with Mary, with the apostles (and therefore the saints), with the Eucharist, with the Cross. The Gospel is Faith, Hope and Charity, and not “5 solas”.

[@psims931]

As someone converting to Catholicism, I can't stand the whole "No Mary, No Jesus" statement. God could of used Gary or Terri. She was blessed by God to give birth to the Lord. It could of been anyone that God wanted it to be. I love Mary, but a lot of Catholics take it way too far and put her on a pedestal way higher than what she is. All Catholics say that they don't worship her, like they do God, but from what I've seen and heard from people there are a lot that do. Maybe they don't realize it, but it definitely seems that way.

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

@@psims931 Thank you for your comment.... The center of our Faith is the crucifixion of JESUS ​​on the Cross, the salvation of whole humanity offered by this act as well as his resurrection. Please, do not worry about others catholics. For Youself continue on your discovery of the TRUTH fully offered by our HOLY CATHOLIC CHURC. I wish a very warmfull welcome in the HOLY CHURCH. Please, continue to learn a little more about JESUS and the Gospel each day, go to the SACREMENTS in your local Church, talk often with YOUR priest and pray every day. Pray for yourself, Your family and the Peace in the WORLD. God bless You and Yours !

[@matthewbrown9027]

Yes, the Roman Catholic Church has a prayer for Mother Mary the "Memorare" at the end of this prayer says "ANSWER ME". Only God can answer prayers not saints. In John like you said when Christ said "Your" could be used to more than one but in Christ statement, Christ was talking to A disciple(John) singular. Then the word "Her" is singular and "His" is singular. So, that statement you made about Mary is everybody mother is wrong. Every words in the verse is singular . It didn't say Behold everybody Mother, Behold followers of Christ Mother, and sure didn't say Behold your ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH MOTHER. So you are wrong and just wanted to point that out to you and your viewers(plural). Ha Ha

[@bobcarabbio4880]

You go to your "Mary thing" for HELP which is the very essence of "Worship". QUIT LYING ABOUT IT!!!!

[@jworthington8186]

Deuteronomy 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me. 8 Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth: 9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,

[@techwizpc4484]

Catholics will just bring up the angelic figures on top of the Ark of the Covenant to justify their figurines.

[@bibleman8010]

better get rid of your avatar then

[@techwizpc4484]

@@bibleman8010 Do I worship my avatar or use it for religious activities?

[@bibleman8010]

@@techwizpc4484 Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:

[@fantasia55]

Catholics do not worship Mary, and Protestants do not worship God. Worship is via the Mass.

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

@@fantasia55 I appeal to you therefore, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Romans 12:1 NRSVCE

[@fantasia55]

@Thatoneguy-pu8ty worship in this sense meaning a duty to one's self - one's duty to God is to participate in the eternal sacrifice of Jesus to God the Father

[@JohnTheRevelator11]

I love that statement. They do not worship God. For real. They worship Jesus, not the Godhead/Father. And Jesus said don’t worship me. He came to serve not be served.

[@fantasia55]

@@JohnTheRevelator11 Egad. That's not even Christianity.

[@philfrank5601]

To say protestants don't worship God lacks charity and will only further divide Christians. They worship Jesus, in their own way. And Jesus IS God, as we know; therefore, they are worshipping God as best as they know how. This is the opportunity Catholics can take to delve deeper into what worship means, what it is, with our brothers and sisters in Christ. To a protestant, it's no wonder they think Catholics worship Mary: they don't understand the true meaning of worship. They look at our veneration, consecration, etc, as the same thing as their singing songs of praise, and giving praise to Jesus in general. This is why they think we "worship" Mary. Be like Jesus in your approach to spreading the message of Christ, and not like men. God bless.

[@ZTAudio]

Please stop gaslighting the world (and yourself) on this. We can SEE what you do with our own eyes, and we can HEAR it with our own ears.

[@DPK5201]

With all due respect and no animosity, it is simple. Mary is dead and worship/veneration/intercession etc..are timewasting discussions.

[@christopherneedham9584]

Again. A Catholic apologist simply redefines the word to avoid their heresy.

[@markwelch9250]

The Collyridian heresy forced this definition by the Church of what worship is and who it is due to. Heretics started saying Christians should be worshipping Mary. The Church said no, she is a created creature and not due what God alone is due. So, they used the Greek word Latria, supreme worship, which God alone is due, to define worship for Christians. The Greek word Dulia, reverence, was used to define what kind of respect the Saints are due as people who have gone before and given us good examples of Godly lives. Hyperdulia, or super reverence, is due to the Mother of God the Son incarnate, because of who she was made to be and who she gave birth to. This definition is 1100 years older than the Protestant Reformation, so kind of weird to say it’s heretical. But then I grew up being told nothing in the first 1500 years of Christianity mattered till Martin Luther was born so I get it.

[@RaimundoSantos79]

It seems to me you didn't pay attention to the solid, clear explanation in the video. The consecration to the Virgin Mary is described at the foot of the Cross, when Jesus Himself entrusted the apostle saint John to His mother, the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. The apostle saint John represented the entire humanity. So, each of us when consecrate ourselves to the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord, we seek her protection and care. See that God Himself chose to became flesh and human THROUGH the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. Also, Jesus manifested Himself to Elizabeth and saint John the Baptist in her womb TRHOUGH the voice (greeting) of the the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. And saint John the Baptist leaped with joy in tte womb of her mother. It's also worth pointing out here that ALL the Apostolic Churches honor, venerate and consecrate themselves to the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. And even the first protestants Luther, Calvin and Zwingly honored and venerated the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord and asked for her intercession. Only much later, with the growth of neopentecostal denominations, was that protestantism started to reject the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. But in the beginning of Christianity that was not the way. I would like to know where protestants fit themselves to this prophecy of the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord: "... for behold from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS shall call me BLESSED." Luke, 1:48 Neoprotestants do not fit themselves to this prophecy.

[@stephencarlton-jones7119]

Before you start pointing fingers, you should be careful about the pathway you walk. Protestants redefine the words "Sola Fide" and Salvation so many times it's almost sad. If someone breaks off from faith they will make up any excuse to say retroactively that they never had faith to begin with, rather than admitting that people can freely choose to abandon there salvation. Please be more careful to live in the love of Christ, rather than hastily accusing your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@jhoughjr1]

Lot more heresy in protestantism and it isnt even close

[@John_Six]

You wouldn't even know what heresies are if it were not for the catholic councils that defined them.

[@TJMcCarty]

"I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship." - Romans 12:1 The prayer to Mary the Catholic mentioned at the beginning of the video is literally the definition of worship Paul gives in Romans 12:1. If you are presenting your body, soul, prayers, your whole self to Mary, you ARE worshipping Mary according to Romans 12:1. Catholics, please just stop praying to Mary. You are not required to pray to Mary as a Catholic. It's just something many Catholics do, but they are not REQUIRED to do it. "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the immoral, nor idolaters...will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 If you don't repent of idolatry, you won't inherit the kingdom of God. Please don't trade your eternal soul for a practice that not even the Catholic Church says is necessary to go to Heaven. Do the safe thing and just pray to God. What if Protestants are right about this? Is it worth the risk?

[@RaimundoSantos79]

Your citation of Romans is purely your free, private interpretation. In no way the words of saint Paul here can be used to infer that the consecrartion to the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord, is an act of idolatry. It seems to me you didn't pay attention to the clear explanation of what the consecration to the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord, really is. Jesus Himself entrusted the apostle saint John to the Virgin Mary. And here, the apostle saint John simbolizes all humanity. Each one of us is also entrusted to the good care of the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. As for praying to the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord, we pray to her just as Scripture tells us to do, when it teaches us to "pray for one another". If we can and should pray for one another in this world, with much more power can the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord, and the saints intercede for us in Heaven. And that's why we pray to them. Remember also that it was through the Virgin Mary that God chose to become flesh and be human. It was also through the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord, that Jesus manifested Himself to saint John in the womb of his mother, Elizabeth, and John leaped with joy. Hence, in any way protestants are correct in this matter. All the apostolic Churches honor and venerate the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. And even the first protesrants Luther, Calvin and Zwingly honored and venerated the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord. It was only much later on, with the spread of protestant neopentecostalism that they started to reject the Virgin Mary, mother of the Lord.

[@bibleman8010]

well your not right about it In verse 1 Paul exhorts his audience to present their bodies as living sacrifices, “which is your spiritual worship.” In verse 2 he further defines what this means: be transformed by renewing your mind to approve, or discern, God's perfect will. and guess who did just that Mary TAKE A HIKE TROL.L

[@raymondvasquez6967]

@1TimothyJ This. You will cease to be Protestant when you go back in time.

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

We know who Jesus is: Jesus of Nazareth, Son of Mary, who died on the cross for the redemption of humanity. And the Church founded by himself is the one founded on apostle Peter. “No Mary, no Jesus” used to say Mother Theresa. You have to accept all the Gospel or reject it entirely. The Gospel is Jesus with Mary, with the apostles (and therefore the saints), with the Eucharist, with the Cross. The Gospel is Faith, Hope and Charity, and not “5 solas”.

[@techwizpc4484]

@@adelbertleblanc1846 When Jesus was asked to teach how to pray, did Jesus say go to his mother (or any other person) and ask them to pray on their behalf? I don't understand why is there a need to pray to Mary or any other person when Jesus is already the high priest between God and mankind. "The Gospel is Jesus with Mary" Mary is not a co-mediator/savior. Jesus never said I and my mother are the way the truth and the life. What is this madness?

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

Read the Catechism. Paragraph 2679. Sorry, but you do pray to Mary 🤷

[@michaelt5030]

@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty …yyyyyeeesss, we know we pray to Mary. That’s never been a debate.

[@richardloganpowelliii4850]

Yes, we do pray to her. We don’t worship her.

[@killianmiller6107]

Step 1: Catholic pray to Mary Step 2: ??? Step 3: Catholics worship Mary

[@eiffeltower5000]

We ask for Mary's help just like how the servants in the wedding at Cana asked for Mary's help. Jesus didn't rebuke those servants because he didn't see anything wrong with that, in fact it paved the way to Jesus' first miracle. Who on earth can tell God to go right ahead and do his first miracle, only Mary, nothing beats that.

[@bibleman8010]

In communion with the holy Mother of God 2673 In prayer the Holy Spirit unites us to the person of the only Son, in his glorified humanity, through which and in which our filial prayer unites us in the Church with the Mother of Jesus.27 2674 Mary gave her consent in faith at the Annunciation and maintained it without hesitation at the foot of the Cross. Ever since, her motherhood has extended to the brothers and sisters of her Son "who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties."28 Jesus, the only mediator, is the way of our prayer; Mary, his mother and ours, is wholly transparent to him: she "shows the way" (hodigitria), and is herself "the Sign" of the way, according to the traditional iconography of East and West. 2675 Beginning with Mary's unique cooperation with the working of the Holy Spirit, the Churches developed their prayer to the holy Mother of God, centering it on the person of Christ manifested in his mysteries. In countless hymns and antiphons expressing this prayer, two movements usually alternate with one another: the first "magnifies" the Lord for the "great things" he did for his lowly servant and through her for all human beings29 the second entrusts the supplications and praises of the children of God to the Mother of Jesus, because she now knows the humanity which, in her, the Son of God espoused. 2676 This twofold movement of prayer to Mary has found a privileged expression in the Ave Maria: Hail Mary [or Rejoice, Mary]: the greeting of the angel Gabriel opens this prayer. It is God himself who, through his angel as intermediary, greets Mary. Our prayer dares to take up this greeting to Mary with the regard God had for the lowliness of his humble servant and to exult in the joy he finds in her.30 Full of grace, the Lord is with thee: These two phrases of the angel's greeting shed light on one another. Mary is full of grace because the Lord is with her. The grace with which she is filled is the presence of him who is the source of all grace. "Rejoice . . . O Daughter of Jerusalem . . . the Lord your God is in your midst."31 Mary, in whom the Lord himself has just made his dwelling, is the daughter of Zion in person, the ark of the covenant, the place where the glory of the Lord dwells. She is "the dwelling of God . . . with men."32 Full of grace, Mary is wholly given over to him who has come to dwell in her and whom she is about to give to the world. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. After the angel's greeting, we make Elizabeth's greeting our own. "Filled with the Holy Spirit," Elizabeth is the first in the long succession of generations who have called Mary "blessed."33 "Blessed is she who believed. . . . "34 Mary is "blessed among women" because she believed in the fulfillment of the Lord's word. Abraham, because of his faith, became a blessing for all the nations of the earth.35 Mary, because of her faith, became the mother of believers, through whom all nations of the earth receive him who is God's own blessing: Jesus, the "fruit of thy womb." 2677 Holy Mary, Mother of God: With Elizabeth we marvel, "And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"36 Because she gives us Jesus, her son, Mary is Mother of God and our mother; we can entrust all our cares and petitions to her: she prays for us as she prayed for herself: "Let it be to me according to your word."37 By entrusting ourselves to her prayer, we abandon ourselves to the will of God together with her: "Thy will be done." Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death: By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the "Mother of Mercy," the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives. And our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender "the hour of our death" wholly to her care. May she be there as she was at her son's death on the cross. May she welcome us as our mother at the hour of our passing38 to lead us to her son, Jesus, in paradise. 2679 Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus' mother into our homes,39 for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@donreinke5863]

Since prayer is an integral part of worship, and catholics DO pray to Mary, they ACTUALLY WORSHIP MARY. Total logic and an inescapable fact.

[@Ivoryenperor9]

Prayer has multiple meanings.

[@lucasmanzo6004]

By that logic, every Christian worships every Christian since we pray for each other and get asked to pray for each other. That would mean we can only pray to God and not for anyone or to anyone because we would all be worshipping someone that's not God.

[@dfitz8007]

@@donreinke5863 What about prayers to saints, eg St Michael? A request for intersession, it seems to me, is quite different than worshipping the saint and the Blessed Mother.

[@donreinke5863]

@@lucasmanzo6004 If you know about catholic Mary prayers...they PRAISE her. Christians praying for one another do NOT use praise.

[@ericgraham4360]

Since you emphasized facts and logic, let me say this, even though it’s kind of nitpicky: I’m a Protestant but this is a fallacy. It’s like saying “reading a holy book is an integral part of being a Mormon, and Catholics read the Bible, so they’re Mormons.” It just doesn’t work. You can’t ascribe the properties of a composite to every element it is composed of. I’m pretty sure it’s called the composition fallacy. I am still skeptical about Marian devotion, but you have not made a good argument. If prayer = worship (or if prayer is “sufficient” for worship), then it works, but not if prayer is only an integral part (or “necessary” for worship).

[@friendlyolbum]

Nobody who ever read the Bible in a place in the world outside of Catholic influence would ever craft a catholic theology

[@IsaiahINRI]

I read the Bible on my own and came very darn close. That's why I chose Catholicism

[@friendlyolbum]

@@IsaiahINRI where if anywhere in the Bible did you get concepts like the dogmas of Mary and Papal infallibility?

[@jhoughjr1]

Malws far more sense than silly prots that just wanted to sin ao they started their own church

[@friendlyolbum]

@jhoughjr1 most absurdly reductive and childish comment award goes to you my friend 🌟

[@Rogue0572]

You're right. However, you would get a thousand different theological positions, just as Protestant communities do today. You would get several that contradict each other on salvific issues. So that certainly wouldn't solve the problem.

[@superapex2128]

Some 'Catholics' do worship Mary - and the Church allows this, not only by not excommunicating them but by providing them with the quasi-idolatrous doctrine they use for cover. Denying it is not going to help and if you feel offended by this, you might want to take a good look in the mirror...

[@heyitsedz1785]

No the church doesn't allow this.. latria worship is for God alone.. if some people take it too far by worshipping Mary then that's NOT church teaching and not permitted, If you can't understand the doctrines of Mary then that's exactly what the church is there to explain just ask.. if you can't understand the doctrine then I can quote you back 'denying it is not going to help, and if you feel offended by this you might want to take a good look in the mirror....

[@eiffeltower5000]

This is not true, you can say this heresy until you turn blue but the truth is CATHOLICS DON'T WORSHIP MARY.

[@stephencarlton-jones7119]

Could you actually provide examples of this rather than hearsay? Also I understand you want to vigilant against idolatry, and against deviations from the Truth of Jesus... and for that I will say it is a good thing to be cautious. But I would like to point out that Protestant denominations are no better off, if you're going to start pointing fingers. 1). "Sola Fide" is an insidious lie, covered under the guise of a trust in Jesus (which is noble and truly right and just). Faith is 100% necessary, but without the virtue of love and a will to pursue God it is "Dead Faith", as Jame's letters state. Works do not merit salvation on their own, but they are pleasing to God when do so with love and faith in God. The false humility really needs to be dialed in, because while it is true we can't achieve salvation by our own means... and it is true that due to original sin we are broken and under the slavery of sin: but it is wrong to claim we our inherently evil (incapable of doing any good). To do so is to claim God's work is evil, or that God is a liar: as time and time again He reaffirms that we were made good and made in His image. True humility is recognizing we need God, and are powerless on our own... but to also recognize the goodness and gifts God has blessed us with. Secondarily the idea of double predestination, once saved always saved, and other such parallel doctrines (which not every protestant holds to in the same way, but many different branches endorse in specific ways) is wicked. It denies the free will God gave to mankind, and also makes a total mockery of God's justice AND His mercy. As if lip service is enough to sway God, or as if God doesn't care how you behave and the life that you live. And as if one singular act of faith is enough to save you even if someone doesn't at all live it: and this is before even getting into Baptism, which many types of Protestants reduce to a formality rather than recognize the salvific design God instituted in Baptism: which spiritually signifies our passing through the waters of death to freedom from the slavery of sin, mirroring Noah's Arc and Mose parting the seas to escape Egyptian slavery (God's prefigurements of baptism). 2). The Eucharist. The fact that protestants will make up any excuse not to call it the real presence of Jesus Christ is honestly appalling, as the Eucharist is literally the most precious gift He gave mankind. Jesus made it crystal clear in John 6, and reaffirms it at the Last Supper. And before you say that He said "do this in remembrance of me", which He did. The remembrance He spoke of goes so much deeper than the ill conceived notion of it being merely symbolic. He literally offered His own body and blood, the blood of the new covenant, which is fulfilled in His passion and death on the cross... the altar of the cross enjoined to the altar on which He broke the bread and gave the wine. It is by reception of His sacred body and blood, under the accidence (physical appearance) of bread and wine (mirrored in John 6, when Jesus states that "unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood, you do not have life within you"). You literally receive Jesus in the Eucharist, as it is the means by which God literally gives you His son. From His incarnation, to His ministry, to His crucifixion and death, to His final victory over the cross and death. THAT is what you are supposed to be receiving in the Eucharist, at mass. It is not a recrucifixion... it is a re-presentation of that once, for all, sacrifice on calvary. The Mass as a whole is laid out in Revelations, and it is made clear it is the Lamb of God who is the sacrifice and whom we enjoin ourselves to and receive... and so much more. I could go on for hours, but please... sincerely I tell you, that God loved us so much that He gave us such a beautiful gift as the Eucharist... why would you throw that to the wayside over petty squabbles with the Catholic Church? Or just because it's a "hard teaching"? The Trinity is a "hard teaching"... the Incarnation is a "hard teaching", but we obviously believe those. 3). The Catholic Church itself is literally the church Christ established in the beginning. Like it or not that's a historic fact. That's a biblical fact. God is not a liar when He told us that He would send His spirit to guide mankind, so what possible excuse could you have to abandon ship? That would be like a would-be disciple saying to Jesus "I can't follow you. The notion you'd have a corrupt guy like Judas as an apostle is off putting to me." When Jesus told us that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His Church... He meant it. Why would Jesus have His Church literally become entirely heretical for over 1,000 years, and only be saved by a random guy with a paper and nail to put on a door. Or that any specific denomination's founder just happened to show up and save the day... because clearly Jesus wasn't enough to ensure the stability of His own church by this logic. Please follow your own advise before you make wild accusations, I don't want to have to spend my lifetime yelling at Protestants. This infighting within God's people is not a good thing, and needs to stop. At the least, can we not collectively agree on the obvious matters of salvation, the sacraments, and so on, that Jesus made perfectly clear. The Bible is not incoherent, Jesus is not incoherent, and if you give the Catholic Church a chance to talk you'll find its not incoherent either.

[@RaimundoSantos79]

I think you should study about the meaning of the word idolatry, It seems to me you do not know what it is like. And you are also committing a grave sin, by judging and condeming what you think are in the hearts of Catholics. Only God can know what it is in our hearts. Only God knows who really loves Him. Idolatry is not exactly a physical act, but but an inner act. The same happens with the one who loves and adores God. Only God knows who really loves and adores Him, because only God knows people's hearts. Check here: "God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth." John 4:24 Check with 1 Chronicles, 29:20 and notice that in a SINGLE physical act, the assembly BOWED and worshipped God, and the VENERATED the king David: "...and they BOWED themselves and WORSHIPPED God, and then the king". 1 Chronicles, 29:20

[@JohnTheRevelator11]

Says a traditional Catholic? Seems like ignorance speaking. Cause none of the church allows this darling.

[@windyday8598]

no mary is not our mother, nor is she queen of jesus kingdom. that's a fairy tale. the jerusalem above is the mother of us all. go figure galatians 4

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

Saint Mary is MY Mother. She is the Queen of the JESUS KINGDOM. SO, if you want to enter into the Kingdom, RECONCILE with Mother Mary. RECONCILE with JESUS CHRIST !

[@windyday8598]

@@adelbertleblanc1846 God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself. be reconciled to God. 2 cor. 5:19-21 jesus is king of his kingdom. he is the door. whoever enters by him will be saved. he who does not enter by the door, *but climbs up some other way*, the same is a thief and a robber. john 10. "i am the way.... the truth, and the life" galatians 4:26 the jerusalem above is free, *she is our mother* what you say cannot be found anywhere in jesus', nor the apostles teaching. you have been bewitched.

[@darrellperez1029]

​@@windyday8598um. No. Mary is the queen of the Church and of heaven. Sorry bud.

[@windyday8598]

@@darrellperez1029 please show me where the apostles taught that. otherwise i go with this: galatians 4:26, 31 --

[@darrellperez1029]

@windyday8598 yeah. Jeremiah was BEFORE MARY. Isthar is not Mary because at that time, Mary was only a prophecy. The apostles did not teach about her because she was ALIVE with them. In Galatians. Yeah Sarah (which becomes the mother of Isaac) is NOT Mary.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Catholics are very confusing. Catholic answers says something and then other catholics say something different. There is a famous catholic apologist that is going around and debunking catholicism . He is proving purgatory, eucharist and confession are all false. I thought catholics believed the same thing? But he has shown me that the pope is not infallable. So how can that be? I would love to see carholic answers respond to him.

[@fantasia55]

who?

[@Man_L_N]

Could be a prot disguising as a Catholic apologist.

[@mtnairpilot]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith Catholics do not believe that the pope is infallible. There are very specific areas (faith and morals) and very specific ways (I declare and define) that the pope can invoke infallibility. It has only happened a relatively few times in the church’s history.

[@eiffeltower5000]

The rule is listen to Catholic expert apologists, those who have studied the history of the church and the scriptures. Don't go to any Dick, Tom and Harry. Be more discerning.

[@ShinAk1raSama]

"There is a famous catholic apologist." If so famous, why not drop the name?