WHEN SAM HARRIS EXPOSED JORDAN PETERSON'S DISHONESTY!?

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[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Old school atheism is dead. Get over it and clean your room.

[@ralphtoivonen2071]

In respect to climate change he is even more ridiculous.

[@user-or2gh1hi2q]

😊😊😮😊​@@MagnusGalactusOG

[@karlbenz4925]

Different schools are there? Hmmmm.....@@MagnusGalactusOG

[@justinhart2831]

​@@MagnusGalactusOG I know what makes me want to clean my room. Realizing that our only two choices are: 1. recognizing that most of the world's people, including probably a number of our own loved ones, are destined to be tortured forever with no end or purpose or learning from what they supposedly did wrong, and that this fate is the default state of humanity and can only be avoided by adhering to a complicated psychological state that someone involves both turning away from bad behavior and recognizing that turning away from bad behavior is impossible at the same time, or 2. Complete and utter nihilism where nothing matters. It's implied that with the first option, the only thing that really matters is the salvation of your own personal soul from an eternity of pain. Since the second option says nothing matters at all and these are our only two options, it follows that one's personal salvation from eternal hell is the only thing that *can* matter, and that everything else in the universe doesn't matter either way. Doesn't that make you want to clean your room?

[@joelodjick230]

Sam: "Is the Bible a work of God or a work of human beings?" Jordan: "Yes"

[@moshiachnow78]

accept he literally answered the question he thinks the bible was written by many humans over millennia

[@joelodjick230]

@chnow78 Didn't hear that at all. I heard him say that's how he thought the part about Cain and Abel COULD have been written because apparently no human alive was capable of writing such a wise thing in only 10 sentences (???). As for the Bible as a whole all I heard was a lot of dodging.

[@professornuke7562]

Well, whaaat do you mean by "God"? And whaaat do you mean by "work?"

[@ColinFox]

@@professornuke7562 God as portrayed in the bible - who apparently created the entire universe in 7 days, and created the earth BEFORE the sun, and somehow light before the sun as well, all kinds of crazy stupid impossible nonsense - THAT God. The one that Christians think they believe in.

[@avishevin1976]

@@ColinFox The prof was parodying Peterson's predilection for arguing definitions instead of answering questions.

[@DarrenCondron]

People clapping for Jordan have no idea what he’s talking about

[@MichaelWilliams-jc2ui]

What you’re actually saying is you have no idea what he’s talking about!

[@PrometheanAct]

No, he is not. @@MichaelWilliams-jc2ui

[@FFXIK]

They really don't, it's just word salad.

[@markfeland2285]

Neither does he

[@JasonS42]

I imagine that for them, the content of his speech is irrelevant. What matters is that he passionately disagreed with the other guy with "strength" and "conviction".

[@scottoshea9440]

Watching Jordan reminded me of the W.C. Fields quote "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit".

[@anglomandingo666]

He has made a good living from that schick.

[@ThroughtheLookingGlass-yg2fj]

It's all about the money.

[@tonyclif1]

EVERY time!

[@Bargerland]

He doesn't even sound like he believes himself. I'm convinced that he's an atheist who believes religion is still needed for the feeble minded. He hides behind a blanket of nonsense.

[@marymarymary9377]

THIS! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@swisskiwi1478]

And see him appealing in that snarky manner directly to the audience when he can’t answer. What was transparent in that moment was that JP realized hé couldn’t spin a crap reply.

[@scouser2230]

I find Peterson annoying. He tries to camouflage his BS by using “fancy” language.

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

it's just "fancy" to you because you're uneducated. maybe this conversation is not suited for you.

[@amremorse]

This has been his thing from day one on Rogan’s podcast.

[@davespanksalot8413]

He was a pretty mediocre academic and not a very good clinician, either.

[@BodTheGrinch]

It's truly depressing that so many people absolutely worship the man, apparently unable to recognise how clueless he is. Like in this example, it's so obvious that Peterson has completely got himself on a tangle. OK, so we can't articulate the true nature of ourselves or our thoughts to apparently such a degree that Sam's question is moot? In that case this entire event, and everything Peterson does, which exclusively imvolves expressing thoughts and ideas, is utterly pointless. So why is he here? It is mind blowing that the audience are too dim to notice that, and instead applaud the man like he just dropped the wisdom bomb of the century. Sigh.

[@askemilskovgaard160]

Totally... His self centered interlectual masturbation cannot cover up his lact of true wisdom.

[@SimonLloydGuitar]

Ben Stiller 1 Kermit 0

[@vau_st]

Jordan Peterson: 0 Micheal Jordan: 6

[@drcrocodile1]

hahahaha

[@user-et4qo9yy3z]

Fuck me, that's hilarious.

[@zaum2002]

Word

[@andraspal]

I love both of them, I dont even agree at all, but 'ey, this is a really funny comment;-)

[@Bernedhot]

This is why Peterson rarely debates people who know how to debate

[@kayvee256]

Yep. His debate with Matt Dillahunty was a massacre.

[@daemonthorn5888]

Do you not know the difference between a debate and a discussion? This was not a debate. It was a discussion. The goal of a discussion is not to "win". A discussion is a back and forth sharing of thoughts and ideas. They were not trying to convince one another of anything. Nor were they trying to score points or defeat the other. It sickens me how people can not watch two people discuss their ideas and thoughts on a subject without, for some strange, infantile reason, getting upset and angry, and hating on one participant or another . The people that think and behave this way are very easy to spot here, in the comments. They make up the bulk of the comments left. Rare is it that I find a comment that even approaches intelligence, or a genuine want for understanding, or insight. Instead of taking in everything being said, and trying to understand where each person is coming from, and mulling over their meaning and thought process, in the endeavor to learn something from it, themselves I, instead, see the sort of comments one would expect to find from sports fans espousing their heroes, or decrying the opposing team. And there also seems to be an abundance of people that can't, or wont, even consider that maybe the conversation is too smart for them. Instead they'll accuse the speaker of being incoherent, or of "trying to use big words to disguise their BS, bla bla bla". I can assure you , neither of these men is "trying to use big words". Just because you don't understand something, that does not mean that what is being said is, "incoherent". It may just mean that you're not intelligent enough to understand what is being said. Obviously there are many people in this world that are not very bright. I think it's fair to say that these types of people outnumber the intelligent by a fairly large degree. Yet you will almost never see an honest comment, where someone admits to the things being said going right over their heads. Instead, the problem is always with the one speaking. They're just "spouting fancy words", or "trying to sound profound". It's ridiculous. This comment will be attacked the same way. But I'm fairly certain the only ones that will attack it are the same lot of which I speak. If they don't agree with someone, or some thing, they attack it. Instead of taking everything in as a possible learning experience. Or coming in with a genuine curiosity they, instead, stamp their feet and spit at anything they don't understand or agree with.

[@evetsegap]

@@daemonthorn5888 Face it, you and Peterson are over the heads of most of these people.

[@mandarine1858]

​@@daemonthorn5888I can understand your Point that it is important to understand both sides and to try to listen to both sides instead of supporting just one of them. The problem in the debates with Jordan Peterson is not only that he uses complicated language and concepts which are difficult for most people to understand (I am a german so I also sometimes struggle with complicated words. ) The problem is that he never takes a clear position which he can defend in the following debate. Rather he just stays vague and tells his 'opponent' that These questions require a very difficult sollution instead of defining what he believes. On that basis you can hardly discuss some clear concepts, instead you have to stay vague which is very annoying.

[@davesmith826]

@@daemonthorn5888 No one is contesting Peterson's intelligence. What can be contested is his reasoning and arguments. You may not see the inherent cowardice in his position, but I do. And before you tell me I'm not smart enough to understand, I've got three degrees and a PhD and am tenured in one of the world's best universities.

[@Crashawsome]

If Cain and Abel is too complex for Jordan, just wait until he finds out about Xenu

[@andrejasironic4561]

Hahahaha!

[@rjlchristie]

He wasn't even asked about them, but his automatic reflex diversion skills immediately brought them into the picture. It was probably a more credible sounding fantasy than Adam and Eve.

[@agnieszkaniemira]

LOL

[@SimonLloydGuitar]

Peterson departs from logic and reason when it comes to religion.

[@facundopitton9011]

And trans people. Dat happens because he believe in god based on personal experiencie, like is a fact. There is no faith in there, cause faith is inexplicable, if you can prove what you believe there is no faith, there is a fact.

[@bigfriki]

Not just religion...

[@DonVintaggio]

well religion is by definition opposed to reason, so what are you expecting?

[@Diashi1267]

Jordan definitely is fighting an uphill battle with his view on religion. His relationship to religion is on such an intuitive, almost ephemeral level that words fail. He’s trying to use a concrete system of symbols (words) to describe a concept so abstract that to describe it in those terms is to lose some of the information. He’s set up for failure in some sense

[@antlerr]

​@@DonVintaggioif you didn't say I would have called them on there falling for a snakeoil salesman....

[@Igor-KB]

If only Hitchens was alive so he could have a debate with JP and “hitchslap” him, life is so unfair

[@LD-qj2te]

god ( no pun intended) i think that everyday !!

[@countchoculitis1528]

He would be so much less polite about it than Sam 😂

[@pault7538]

Sam challenged him and then didn't let him get a word in. I was waiting for Peterson to explain himself but he never does.

[@Igor-KB]

@@pault7538 but that happens a lot, JP likes the sound of his own voice so much, that he speaks nonstop but never get to an answer, specially when it comes to religion, he did the same thing with Matt Dillahunty

[@randomletter-5i4]

you like most the commenters here, do not understand where Peterson is coming from. Atheism he feels has done a lot of harm by stripping away essential meaning from humans. You can get lost in materialism sure, but that will only get you so far. As someone who that happened to I understand his point completely. Religion evolved with the human brain as a type of medicine. Compare levels of mental illness in the muslim world to the West which is drowning in depression and anxiety.

[@Sol-mr1lv]

"The story of Cain and Abel is uniquely one of wisdom and cannot be written by a normal man" Dude, it's a story about two brothers fighting because one is jealous of the other, how fucking hard is that to write?!

[@simon.foley1]

Exactly, JP is tedious.

[@GEOHHADDAD]

Agreed if it were so brilliant it would have explained how these chaps perpetuated the entire human race without exclusively having sex with their sisters and perhaps their offspring thereafter. @@musekic4654

[@chrisose]

Peterson reacts to criticism of his presentation precisely like every other conman in history, by gaslighting everyone within earshot.

[@c.galindo9639]

Well seeing as the man critiquing him finds fault in a lot of things made by people. Of course he will focus on the faults of JP but that’s why JP responded in such a way because humans are flawed beings. Anyone can have something considered wrong by another and giving into that is giving the critic more “power” to appear they’re right but they’re just picking and choosing what to aim the argument towards

[@chrisose]

@@c.galindo9639 I'm surprised you can reach a keyboard from your position so far up Peterson's backside.

[@joshua9490]

@@c.galindo9639if he can’t articulate his beliefs he should probably stop telling others how to live their life.

[@c.galindo9639]

@@chrisose uh yeah. Ok if you think that. Although I side with the side of the Bible I do admire JP in how he intellectually conveys the importance of the Bible in society. That being said. Having an astute observation of both sides doesn’t make me “so far up someone’s behind” but more so that I have better analytical observation skills than your simple minded opinion that constitutes nothing towards an intellectual observation. Maybe have an actual argument rather than a reactionary argument you would seem much more intelligent here

[@c.galindo9639]

@@joshua9490 yes one can articulate their beliefs yet any critic for the sake of criticizing can gain the praise of their side for those against those who have their beliefs. Like you apparently do against JP for his beliefs. Now explain to me what is so wrong about the Bible suggesting people do better themselves in righteous, virtuous manners to benefit their relationship with God in better understanding their purpose to not inly uplift themselves but others they help relieve suffering from through their understanding and by those actions will help spread positive moral beliefs to better the sake of humanity amongst all people?

[@ainsleymccullagh8939]

Jordan uses rhetorical BS and stupid people think he's on to something

[@milart12]

I know. I never understood the appeal of Jordan Peterson.

[@moxenrider]

I could explain it legitimately if you are curious, but I don’t think people that like sam harris and don’t like him, will get it. I like both and both equally disappoint me with their blinders

[@matthew3136]

Owning the Libs gives MAGA orgasms.

[@milart12]

@@moxenrider I don't need your explanation.

[@enterthevoidIi]

@@moxenrider please explain JP to me lol I am dying to understand his gish gallop

[@rickjones3340]

The idea that the story of Cain and Abel could not have been written by a human is amazingly preposterous.

[@iceshadow487]

The fact he thinks the story is "impossible to write" instead of him just overanalyzing and putting it on a pedestal is baffling to me

[@MisterG2323]

That's Peterson's SOP: baffle them with bullshit. It's a good thing that the man craves fame and adulation over money and power; he'd be very dangerous otherwise. As it is, he's an erudite crank with pretensions of replacing Ayn Rand in the pantheon of intellectual grifters.@@iceshadow487

[@MalawisLilleKanal]

I think Moby Dick could not have been written by a human, and should be included in the bible.

[@terryhays3765]

In fair Eden, where we lay our scene, Two brothers dwelled, of Adam's seed so keen. Cain, the elder, tilled the earth with might, While Abel, the younger, kept his flocks alight. Both brought offerings to the Lord on high, Cain from his harvest, Abel from the sky. But God, in His wisdom, favored one alone, And Cain's offering, He did not condone. Enraged with envy, Cain's heart did seethe, As Abel's offering found favor beneath. In fields of green, with malice in his eye, Cain led his brother to where shadows lie. With wicked hand, he struck his brother low, And Abel fell, his life's blood in tow. "Am I my brother's keeper?" Cain did ask, As God's judgment fell upon his twisted task. Cursed to wander, marked by God's decree, Cain roamed the earth, forever to flee. Yet even in his exile, he built a city grand, A testament to the folly of his hand. So let this tale be a warning, clear and true, Of envy's poison and the evil it can brew. For even brothers, bound by blood and kin, Can fall to darkness and the wages of sin.

[@marcusbrsp]

Agreed! Even a human being using a cane would be able to write it.

[@smaug660]

Unbearable. I never understood how JP was ever considered an intelectual....

[@fromchomleystreet]

He’s so shamelessly evasive. The problem is they are talking past each other: For Harris, being a Christian is a question of what you believe. For Peterson, it’s a side you align yourself with in a culture war. Framed in that way, what one actually believes to be true isn’t relevant.

[@alexanderschuler7391]

For me thats a VERY good commentary. Im glad Im not the only one thinking that. I was shocked when peterson announced he found to christianity. How could that so far logical driven man come to believe in that obvious fantasy. He wants to pick a side in the culture wars because he thinks a religion to bound people together and makes them somehow strong is needed against the wokeists who are bound and beein strong by their religion. And maby he needed it for his soul to survive with all that anger he had to face after all the things his enemys done to him latlely and with the route our societys are going. To believe in something greater could help. Maybe both. But the priece for that is that he has to give up logic. And with that he will lose some people who admired his past self. Maybe he will lose to much people. (sry. not good in english)

[@antiochiaadtaurum3786]

narcissistic collapse incoming

[@MikeFuller-ok6ok]

What do you mean?

[@platoscavealum902]

🙉 Plenty of his #FlyingMonkeys will be around for a while. They will provide enough #NarcissisticSupply for Jordan Peterson to keep going and make him feel like he is making a positive difference in this world. I don’t see a narcissistic collapse coming as he is making plenty of money from his followers right now. If he gets addicted to a drug again, then there would be more of a possibility of a "collapse."

[@haydenwalton2766]

watch this space

[@lynfielddentalcentre4229]

Yes, Sam Harris is collapsing in a narcissistic puddle

[@haydenwalton2766]

@@lynfielddentalcentre4229 yeah, about 10 miles behind jordan

[@JG-zt3cg]

JP is Mr. Word Salad.

[@samh.6272]

Exactly.

[@OhGrowUpPodcast]

“He couldn’t have written Cain and Able…” To quote the great philosopher Bill Burr “have you seen Star Wars, humans made that up”

[@matthewchilds1862]

No , Lucas spoke at length to Joseph cambell to steal ideas from mythology and mash them all together to make Star Wars . Primitive mythology made Star Wars

[@Metonymy1979]

He doesn't look at him. But the best thing is that he got mad at Sam for saying no one knows what he is talking about. But he also says no one can know what anyone is BUT tells atheists they are actually Christian, they just don't know it. The guy is ridiculous

[@prestonscott73]

Sam is staying characteristically calm, when you know he really wants to say, “what the hell is this guy talking about?”

[@Matthew-cp2eg]

Sam jist stumbles over his words like the mean something, maybe he'll make sense one day.

[@jaybingham3711]

​@@Matthew-cp2egI could see someone thinking that. Particularly someone not very familiar with his oral discourse. Or unfamiliar with scientific-based prose. Sam has a PhD in neuroscience. So, Sam's training has oriented him toward having concern for exacting words. And his ability to find and offer up such words is unrivaled. It's very much the opposite of stumbling. It's just a personal style. And with it comes a certain cadence. It's a cadence rooted in care. The exact opposite of JP who believes carnival barker, rapid fire oral diarrhea is the best style to make use of. Precisely because he's aware many will be wowed by it. At base, it's ultimately nothing but an oral shell game. Only, his game is played without a ball.

​@Matthew-cp2eg One might think you weren't listening

[@davesmith826]

@@Matthew-cp2eg He makes perfect sense to me - much more than Peterson, in fact.

[@keith.anthony.infinity.h]

@@jaybingham3711The fact he has a PhD in neuroscience says a lot about his reaction to Mr. Peterson’s rambling on the human mind.

[@livealoha50f]

Wow. That Jordan dude is so incoherent, I still think he’s a performance artist. He never says anything, he talks in incoherent circles.

[@anniegoulaheee8025]

Grandiose narcissist.

[@sandranettles4833]

Goes right over your head 😅

[@exhibitD79]

''Word Salad'' is my favourite description of his style

[@EspiritualidadCiencia]

But oh he can ramble in an almost musical verbiage

[@noyfb4769]

Deep down he knows he's full of shit and out of his depth, so incessantly babbling bullshit over top of his debate opponent is his best strategy.

[@syntheticskystudios7325]

Every day I miss Christopher Hitchens.

[@Fuddy23]

Peterson never fully recovered from his breakdown

[@gordonmcneil0011]

This clip is 6 years old.

[@Fuddy23]

@@gordonmcneil0011 and?

[@Fuddy23]

@@gordonmcneil0011 2019 he was in treatment for a prescribed drug ( no idea how long he was on it) He's never been the same.

[@carlosvasquez6054]

@@gordonmcneil0011and he still hasn’t recovered

[@anthonyarcher4744]

I'm always wary of those who have fallen in love with their own intellect.

[@huibwetzel9299]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@jimjamespaultyrone]

I’m even more wary of those who choose ignorance.

[@anthonyarcher4744]

@@jimjamespaultyrone ...I wasn't aware it was a binary choice.

[@theCommentDevil]

It's always the end of their ability to reason.

[@rumbobbie1]

Nobody asked anybody to choose anything.

[@adamedison6831]

Sam Harris: "I'm not sure what you really believe" Jordan Peterson: "Can anyone ever know what they really believe?" Classic dodge

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

Yeah, it’s very annoying. When I ask someone if they think the bible was inspired by god I usually get a yes or no answer (perhaps followed by more info, but a clear answer is usually there). If I ask how old they think the world is there is usually a clear answer. Peterson is incapable of giving such an answer, yet he responds to Harris making this point as if its not incredibly obvious what Harris is saying. Peterson is intelligent. And he’d have to be a complete idiot to not understand the point being made. So the only thing I can conclude is that he is dishonest.

[@7hello]

Truth. You have no clue.

[@Ferigore]

@@7hello what does commenting even give you when you cant even bring any argument or continuation of debate to the table? lol

[@7hello]

@@Ferigore what do you believe in?

[@sinasamarghandi6864]

It's an obvious fallacy! I really wondered how a world class person like Jordan Peterson could make such a terrible fallacy!

[@clarissakrohn3517]

because Cain and Able is such a profound story and so deep that no one could every come up with a story about murder over jealousy except an all powerful, wise creator😅😅😂😂😂

[@andrew_stamps]

What is so wise about Cain and Abel?

[@marKism69]

Jordan is such a pseudo-intellectual fraud. It amazes me that he gets invited to speak in any intellectual format.

[@randomletter-5i4]

you do not understand him, like 99.9% of the commenters here. He believes it is harmful to find out humans are just robots...which is exactly what the atheists/rationalists teach. He understands the human psyche...they do not. Granted, he uses word salad unfortunately. But if you watch the video Advertising Atheism you will see exactly more clearly his views. He is a psychologist, not necessary an intellectual rationalist.

[@MattnUska]

For entertainment value? Or possibly the challenge of speaking with someone that is impossible to have a conversation with.

[@James_36]

he clearly isn't - he is literally a professor who has read more books than most people on earth... you sound like an idiot

[@brianray2614]

Fraud, good description.

[@mistymac9345]

I always had an inkling although I had great respect for him. He vacillates more and more when challenged.

[@greenwizardneedsfood8852]

I love how Sam looks at Jordan when he asks a question, but Jordan looks to the audience to ham it up while he doesn't answer the questions.

[@c.galindo9639]

Because the critic gains their ground by the appraisal of the audience which is why he engaged with the audience and even he agreed JP was correct in his assertion of the question so it is very much a stalemate

[@_edijane_]

Yeah it’s kind of rude. He’s not looking at the man he’s talking to.

[@thomasnesmith5426]

He can't convince experts so he appeals to the masses for authority. Populists are everywhere. James Tour is another person just like JP.

[@nimim.markomikkila1673]

Yes, he asserted something, which is true, BUT dodged the question, That´s the point here, I think. JP also raised his voice, which could be seen as a tactic to scare the opponent. @@c.galindo9639

[@ArThur_hara]

Recently I decided to follow my instinct more, the brain notices when something is off, and yeah, even though I appreciate the work he does why, why would you talk to the audience and not watch your fellow debater in the eyes D:

[@trevorsole3933]

Ah yes, the "self-help guru" who's an emotional wreck.

[@davidgill6883]

I love how he lost his cool when called out.

[@rubybegonia7052]

As if he had a right to berate his audience. The audience is what got this man his fame and fortune.

[@donnagodfrey1924]

Jordan Peterson is not mentally stable. He almost threw an angry tantrum here and has often cried in interviews. He is the one who is not clear about his own beliefs, not everyone else, as he accuses the audience of being.

[@ArThur_hara]

He did have depression few years ago... Now... I don't know if it could justify your statement :]

[@Griemz]

I am apperantly living in a world where showing human emotion is considered mentally unstable LOL.

[@markjenkins7044]

Peterson is unhinged...He lost these debates...kept losing his cool.... Way too Emotional

[@GEOHHADDAD]

It’s lack of emotional control. It’s associated with any number of disorders. Here I would wager it’s more likely a tactic. @@Griemz

[@Griemz]

@@GEOHHADDAD crying =/= lack of emotional control. Neither is showing frustration a sign of lack of emotional control per se. Nothing he did here is remotely anything close to any mental unstability... Speaking as a psychologist.

[@SanePerson1]

About halfway through this, it became clear to me that Peterson's obfuscation-packed filibuster wasn't going to end. And lo, it didn't.

[@fabriziocamisani5477]

Jordan being caught and antagonizing the audience is a classic, instead of trying to counter Sam's arguments, he starts ranting and the only thing missing is him standing up, wrapping himself in a dark cape and uttering:''You fools, one day I'm going to be your Fuhrer!''. Joking aside, apart from being full of it, I find him highly dishonest.

[@tritone11]

Peterson doesn‘t try to increase knowledge. He tries to appear as knowing. That includes him speaking actual facts as well as sometimes just ridiculous evasions like this one.

[@maxcat06]

Peterson's voice keeps going up octaves.

[@evanroberts2771]

When he's caught out, yes.

[@AntPDC]

I started to get suspicious when he adopted a Messianic manner wherein his supporters became hive-minded and uncritical.

[@happyhappy85]

I like how instead of addressing the question, he just goes on a tangent on how its impossible to fully articulate your beliefs. True, but that doesn't mean you can't answer basic questions.

[@scoontaquex3388]

I think Jordan's point is, precisely, that the question isn't as simple as asked. Demanding a direct answer to every question is the times of gamesmanship politicians use to get a sound bite out of someone. Jordan could be more to the point, granted.

[@DanLetts97]

I’ve never been a fan of JP. I don’t understand why he’s a hero to so many.

[@capitalb5889]

Because he gives an intellectual veneer to bigotry.

[@countchoculitis1528]

He's like most of the grifters on the right. He sprinkles in "truths" in between his BS, which is all it takes to convince the mediocre intellects, which is ,unfortunately, a majority of the population. JP's "truths" are typically of the self-help nature, and usually involve increasing one's self esteem through physical exercise and daily habits. Not exactly a revelation, given how science of health and fitness has grown immensely in the last 40 years. Gone are the days of NHL superstars like Mario Lemieux having a smoke between periods 😂 For Alex Jones, his "truths" are "Epstein is a giant pedo". Again, not exactly revelations. They all use that same technique, and add their own personal touch like Shapiro with his Gish Gallop. Be weary of people like this. They're trying to trick you for personal gain.

[@nuorigin]

He makes sense to wannabees and idiots and to someone paying no attention to his nonsense. All semantical arguments with no meat

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

@@countchoculitis1528 word (And not salad) 😂👊🏼

[@GodlessReason]

Simple: He's a vocal christian who tends to favor conservative positions. For conservative christians this basically means, that whatever he says and does must be good (brains off) - it's the times we live in I'm afraid, not only when it comes to JP.

[@ShazWag]

Interpretation of Jordan Peterson's answer (short version): "I honestly don't know what I believe or why."

[@Resinpro]

+ "Because science say brain go brrrrrrrrrr" He is the most insufferable 'dumb persons smart man' I have ever seen.

[@edwardkuenzi5751]

On an intellectual level I think Peterson does not believe in God, but he hates atheists and everything they are associated with so viscerally that he is genuinely deeply conflicted about the question.

[@rjlchristie]

Because deeper reality, dummy.

[@scoontaquex3388]

I'm baffled at the comments on this video. His point is coherent and clear to me. Belief is complex and a dynamic process that evolves over time. Many people choose discrete perspectives on complex issues, as if conclusions can be drawn - perhaps they can be, in some circumstances. Jordan is comfortable sitting in the 'in-between' of wrestling with an evolving perspective that is hard to quantify in traditional and discrete language. You don't have to agree - I don't, personally - but to write it off as dumb or merely confusion really just reveals your own.

[@VinylCP]

​@@scoontaquex3388 NONONO, Sam Harris couldn't understand what Jordan was saying about belief. So no-one, you included, could possibly do so either 😂

[@createallow3126]

This conversation needs Joseph Campbell. The concretization of revelation is fundamentalism. The atheist sees the myth as a lie, the theist sees it as a fact, the mystic sees it as a metaphor. Peterson made the same argument that people who believe aliens made the Pyramids make; It's too amazing for humans to have created it.

[@anglomandingo666]

People cheer Peterson because they suppose his word salad demonstrates intelligence, and even though they (along with everyone else) can't decipher it, they want to be associated with it.

[@jnagarya519]

So Jordan Peterson is not transparent to HIMSELF.

[@lilstevechan8427]

Exactly! Peterson obfuscates what he actually believes in order to hold contradictory and ridiculous positions. He's posturing as a Christian to his religious fans by defining God so loosely that anything can qualify.

[@jnagarya519]

@@lilstevechan8427 Does he obfuscate? Or is he not transparent to himself?

[@Resinpro]

Maybe if he would just clean his room a bit more, he will get there

[@rjlchristie]

It's all magic. Lots of magic, you are just close minded not to understand that.

[@jnagarya519]

@@rjlchristie Magic is a scam.

[@johns1625]

JP is concerned that departing from religion is "throwing out the baby with the bathwater", yet in however many thousands of years nobody has provided any evidence there is or has been a baby anywhere near the bath water. 😂

[@georgegrader9038]

Certainly there is a lot of bathwater. Always a nagging suspicion about that baby.....

[@uachtair]

I question the existence of the bath! 👍😁

[@Mr.Goodkat]

With how misopaedic/bigoted Jordan is when it comes to kids, I think he'd be more concerned he was throwing bathwater out with the baby.

[@kotchstevens2321]

Depending on your interpretation of evidence? How about 500 witnesses? How about 1 or 2 witnesses? Is usually all U need to get U reasonable doubt? How about millions of testimonials? How about your a horse & I lead U to water, can I make U drink it?

[@AbhijeetMishra]

Of course there's no evidence. People say so many "witnesses" can't be making things up, yet we see clear examples of how Christians say they have visions of Christ and God and other things their scripture talks about, essentially revealing that people are just seeing or making up stories based on what they have been taught about their religion.

[@TheIceCream1]

Jordan Peterson sounds like that videos “what English people sound like to people Who don’t speak English” … he can go 8 minutes of talking without saying anything

[@jessehash1583]

Yes. And it's clear he does it to "one up" whomever he is speaking with. Most of us see through it though. Waste of oxygen.

[@snephtar]

“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason (JP) is like administering medicine to the dead” Thomas Paine

[@user-cm5ji3fl1k]

Why is Peterson saying it took some supernatural genius to tell the story of Cain and Abel? Sibling rivalry is common.

[@smaug660]

Thought exactly the same! What wisdom is he talking about?

[@user-ey7mu2dz9c]

Ten sentences!!! I guess when it takes someone like his self two pages to make one point, it does seem magical to him

[@TrollAxeThrower]

Uhm look at the Muslim world. They are like Cain. They sacrifice a lot, and gain nothing. And the western world makes the right sacrifices and wins. And who is aggressive towards who?

[@KlusiPL]

That story shows many things about humanity including two fundamental ways throught life - you either sacrifice and become a better person or you become bitter and resentful. That much wisdom contained in so little words is likely the effect of story beeing repeated throughout centuries slowly loosing anything that wasn't important and finally written down and so its not a work of one supergenius but more like the oldest testament to what our ancestors thousands of years ago found to be truly important and worth passing down and it still hold true to this day. The super genius were the people keeping the story going all that time and its highly unlikely that one person could just came up with that story in the form it endured.

[@user-ey7mu2dz9c]

@@KlusiPLhave you ever heard of Aesop's fables?

[@bewing77]

JP’s brain is like a random word generator. Input something and it will generate something that sounds superficially profound, but really means nothing once you think about it for two seconds.

[@jimjamespaultyrone]

Your brain must be an educational deterrent. I’m sorry.

[@daemonthorn5888]

You're incorrect. I disagree with his views and opinions regarding religion and Christianity. But outside of this topic he is very intelligent and has some very profound and valuable things to say. No offense, but just because you don't understand someone, that does not mean that they are "trying to sound superficially profound". Have you ever stopped to consider that just maybe he is more intelligent than you are. And he has a much greater vocabulary than you do? And that, just maybe, you simply don't understand what he's saying at all, even though you think you do? To be honest, I think this is the case here. Because Sam Harris talks much the same way. But you agree with his take on the topic at hand. So you don't notice the use of "big words". I'm a fan of both of these men. All three of them, actually. But there are things that I disagree with every single on of them on from time to time. That's simply how it goes. This mentality that you exhibit, where just because you disagree with them on a particular topic, you go so far as to dislike them as a person and you see them as an enemy of sorts. Do you approach everyone that way? Or would you agree that you can disagree with someone on a certain topic, but be completely in agreement with them on many other things? Completely discounting someone because of a disagreement on a single topic is not very intelligent. It's a bit "trollish", actually.

[@Ettyofacts]

Not entirely But he does swing the bs arrow a Little bit

[@steveholliday1599]

​@@daemonthorn5888I have listened to both on a number of topics. My experience is Sam always attempts to create a logical and structured argument for his positions, so you can agree with the premise(s) and conclusions (or not), whilst JP just spews words that sound like an argument, but never make any sense to me. You can tell me (or others) that we are not clever enough to understand him, but I would say if I can follow Sam's position easily, and I can't follow JP, then (at best) that makes JP a crap communicator. Your argument is that maybe he's not articulate on this topic, but on others he has great insight, may be correct.But, when he spouts such BS in one area, any uses language in a way that is (at best) difficult to follow all the time, then it's simple to assume that everything else he is explaining poorly is also BS.

[@rjlchristie]

He's not quite at Chopra level babble-speak, but he gets close.

[@smooij3199]

was this pre or post brain damage? Harris ask him a simple question and he starts shouting unhingedly at his incel fanboys.

[@BrokeTheSeal]

Jordan Peterson, PhD in Word Saladry

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

I find it puzzling that Jordan Peterson constantly states that "you can't be sure of anything", yet has always spoken about issues with absolute certainty, such as many of his arguments in this video, his political beliefs, and his rigid beliefs on gender and what he views as "Western civilization". He used to always say that people should speak with clarity, but I don't think the dude has ever had a clear thought in his life.

[@James_36]

rigid beliefs on gender 🤣

[@scoontaquex3388]

I think this is one of the best criticisms I've seen of Jordan so far - he certainly doesn't hold the same standard of certainty to different topics he talks on. I am always puzzled, however, when people make statements like "I don't think the dude has ever had a clear thought in his life" and expect anyone to take them seriously. Weird pairing of clear insight and willful ignorance.

[@chriswilliams1096]

I think what he is saying is, " YOU" can't be sure of anything but "I" can. That might make be useful definition of arrogance.

[@CodeLife_12]

His whole "you never know!" argument is a deflection he uses when he knows he's losing an argument. After a couple of time he uses that strategy it becomes very apparent. I remember an interview when he was asked "do you believe in God?" and his answer was "What do you mean bye God? What do you mean by Believe? What do you mean by You?". This is just ridiculous and a lack of respect to his interlocutor.

[@chrispalmer7893]

@@scoontaquex3388 Peterson has often said that you shouldn't draw conclusions from a single point of data, and yet he does it all the time. He take a single, context-free factoid and claims it as the justificaiton for whatever outrageous nonsense will get him the most attention (and ultimately make hi the most money).

[@RenghisKhan]

If the bible had been dictated by an omniscient being JP would not have had to resort to naming just the story of Kain and Abel. The whole thing would have been devoid of nonsense and intrinsically amazing. He could have named any random part of the bible. The mental gymnastics of religious people....

[@archiejohnston498]

JP says the Cain and Abel story is too profound to have been written by mere human agency. As The Dude would say: "That's just, like, your opinion, man".

[@4ctmam]

For someone who claims to eat exclusively meat Joradn sure loves his salad.

[@OleensEmbroidery]

Look how JP looks at and addresses the audience rather than the person he is debating with.

[@noyfb4769]

Look at his hands quivering; benzo boy got the shakes.

[@rjlchristie]

And berates them if they scoff at him or when they applaud Harris.

[@youknowtherules5681]

​@@noyfb4769Was benzoboy supposed to be an insult?

[@scoontaquex3388]

Look how JP also looks at the person he is debating with other times. Weird nitpicking

[@carlmurphy2416]

And the way his tone becomes very indignant.

[@justinlewis8889]

This is the intellectual equivalent of a slippery fish wiggling in and out of your hands. JP just does not want to be pinned down on what he actually means. Bravo to Sam for his heroic attempt to extract actual meaning from JP’s blabbering.

[@reriuqne0-ny1er]

No one knows what Peterson believes, least of all himself. As Dawkins said of him; 'It's sheer bullsh*t'.

[@seeteasea5497]

This is why Peterson mostly goes on shows like Rogan, he absolutely HATES debating someone who is not a complete moron that he can’t just confuse into accepting his nonsense

[@foujj]

Sam is being too kind. The bible doesn't stand up to great literature like Shakespeare. First of all, Cain and Abel is not a wise story. At least god doesn't come off as wise. God is supposed to be omniscient and loving and yet he ignores Cain's feelings and lavishes praise on Abel.. What kind of loving father plays favorites with his children and then acts surprised when the neglected child acts out? And then he pretends not to know Cain is going to kill Abel and does nothing to stop it. God in Genesis sounds like a dick. And then a few pages later he drowns the entire earth filled with innocent people and animals because despite his omnipotence, he can't just ferret out the sinners. What Sam couldn't get JP to answer to is what in the bible proves it has divine inspiration and not just some bronze age superstitions?

[@mrsatire9475]

Who is smart enough to determine if God is really omniscient?

[@Jcs57]

@@mrsatire9475Good question, take it up with his apologists

[@ss4e982]

What are you talking about? Read Cain and Abel again. His gift was refused cause he gave his best but not out of faith but out of some idiotic idea to "bribe" the God. Anyway, correct action in this situation is to learn from your misstaken and not go and kill your brother. Look at the story of Job. I want to relate them in way that shows you that maybe sometimes shit just happens and you can't be resentfull for it and make it worse. God doesen't give a shit about some fruit and some fucking sheep. He has it all. Its actions that matter and faith in him. Cause in the end its all irrelevant. If God is there, always present, you just need to follow his rules and don't give a fuck abouth trivial stuff. For example why would you be jelaous if God favours someone? You are both going to Heaven if you follow his rules. So in the end a great test was given to Cain and he failed. He should have just ignored the actions of a God to make God pleased with him. Ok, you dont like my offering? Nvm, let me correct myself and offer something else or nothing at all. But no let me go all out and kill my brother just cause he offered some fruit. Dude actually offered only thing he had. He wasnt thinking about it. Cain made a rational chooice to offer his best of the best. If he just picked some random sheep and offered he would be fine. I dont really agree with JP but the story actually is really complex but simple at the same time. Shakespeare is full of crap. Make up some drama, go with the random murder and resolve it in bloodbath. His plays are action movies of his era ffs. Nothing more. Every story he tells can be dated to stories before. He didn't invent the human nature. Jesus fuck even some fables make more sense then his work.

[@mrsatire9475]

@@ss4e982 Can you explain Deuteronomy 13:15-17 to these heathens?

[@paulendsley6322]

Jordan peterson doesn’t do well debating minds that can’t be intimidated by word salads and advanced vocabulary’s

[@ArThur_hara]

Ask someone who appreciates JBP I agree with you. I usually find myself thinking "uuuuhm... Soooo, yes to that 15yo bro question?" It's like, you have to externalize your ideas in a way that is sufficiently accommodating for the most simple thinking mind in the audience of reasoning capable individuals that are those listening to your message (see what I did there >:] ) I think if he really wants to help the younger generation, MY generation he has to speak in a way that ipad kid can understand the message to some degree. So yeah tone down the intellectual masturbation orgies with ARC and all those podcasts. Just speak in a way that allows the younger generation to be actively involved in the movement. Instead of binge watching your content and think they are better than those who do not.

[@papa22000]

Why shouldn't the listener try to elevate themselves to understand?

[@paviewer]

Or vocabularies

[@jimlwolfe-empty-midwest]

Agreed.

[@sereal2091]

True

[@olemew]

Asking my 9 yo to be transparent about who ate the last cookie "Don'T yoU kNoW thAt 99% of YoUr ThOughts...."

[@Squarer67]

If you want to know what Peterson believes...tell him what you believe, and he'll tell you that you're wrong. That's as close as you'll ever get.

[@satisdee]

Cain and Abel were brothers from the Bible. Cain was a farmer, and Abel was a shepherd. They both made offerings to God, but God favored Abel's offering over Cain's. This made Cain jealous, so he killed Abel. God punished Cain for his crime by banishing him. The End.

[@noyfb4769]

Praise the lawd! Jesus Christ has returned! I pledge to clean my room in your honor immediately!

[@mrsatire9475]

Wow, what an amazing original story. No one ever thought of sibling rivalry before, smh

[@charlotterolph5373]

OMG! God is in the comments section! I am no longer an atheist! 😂🤣😂🤣

[@Jcs57]

What about the crime of knowing the crime will take place but choose to sit back and watch.

[@billobrien4680]

The first time I listened to Peterson, he was lecturing about Hitler and the Nazis. When he finishred, I (as a student of history) said WTF is this guy saying. I have had the same response to his other lectures/debates.

[@youknowtherules5681]

Are you too dumb?

[@KarlFullerNZ]

Yup, first time I heard him on a topic he came across as an intellectual masturbator trying to baffle people with a word salad gun.

[@Jcs57]

That depends on how you define “saying”.

[@scottoshea9440]

Even the craftiest politicians aren't able to evade and obfuscate like Mr. Peterson.

[@jaydeus]

Harris: "Is the Bible of divine origin or a Shakespeare of 3k years ago and can you articulate your position?" Peterson: farts in microphone Crowd: applause

[@jacobwheeler6136]

Peterson refuses to have an honest conversation

[@savic1984]

Always on every subject.

[@jacobwheeler6136]

@@savic1984 exactly... it's why I gave up listening to anything he has to say

[@evanroberts2771]

If he's not winning, he keeps shifting the goalposts until he gets a win, and the initial argument is not answered, but he claims the win as being on the initial argument.

[@jimjamespaultyrone]

How many seconds have listened to him? 12, 13?

[@jacobwheeler6136]

@@jimjamespaultyrone who are you to me?

[@kamlikasura938]

JP was stunned like a little child right in the beginning of the video, he couldnt even see Sam in the eye xD

[@capitalb5889]

"I think it's both" (3:05) - absurd dodge

[@SUNKINGME]

wait, so Jordan is CERTAIN of literally EVERYTHING ELSE he says EXCEPT when you ask him about his religious beliefs!

[@CaneFu]

I have yet to see any religious person try to prove their god by any other means than playing mere word games. Certainly there must be a lot of physical evidence for the creator of the universe so JUST SHOW IT.... but they never can.

[@Jcs57]

Have you tried looking at trees I hear it’s very compelling. 😂

[@JD-hh9io]

I love it when people debate science fiction books.

[@davidarbogast37]

Peterson reminds me of the greased up naked guy from Family Guy when it comes to his position on religion: "Can't catch me!!"

[@gliblyaware]

Jordan wants to believe in Magic, but like a child he doesn't want to question it. It's more soothing to just trust your father knows all the gaps that scare you and can protect you from them. I would likely do that if I could. I didn't even do it when my life was threatened by disease in my early 20's. I made it through by the skin of my teeth, and never assigned myself to a truth claim beyond what I was confident WE could know. I'm grateful for that.

[@SRKanai1]

It's so funny to watch Peterson get furious the instant his semantically spiced word salad fails to impress someone who realizes it for what it is and calls it such. He had a similar moment against Dawkins that was simply magic to watch. Dawkins called him out on it and flat out told him that his word salad and semantic arguments are absolute and utter bullshit and Peterson all but threw a clot. Don't get me wrong as a psychologist Peterson has many great things to say and his defense against the dark arts of the dangerously woke is admirable but that's where he needs to stay. When he starts trying to defend mythology he desperately wishes was true he just falls apart. It impresses those who just assume that because they can't understand it it must be incredibly profound but for anyone of any intellectual rigor, it's just dismal logic thrown in a blender.

[@dannyallen4992]

Totally agree, he tried the same Shiit with Matt Dillahunty and failed miserably. Jp is obviously a very smart man whom has a really good insight in to human behaviour and our thought processes but whenever he speaks in any of these theistic debates I kinda get the feeling he's trying to justify he's religious leanings/beliefs to himself and can't quite do it. Would of been funny as fuck if he tried he's convoluted digressions on Hitchens😂

[@johnflesner8086]

The only insight Peterson has is illusion, sophistry, and arrogance when dealing with those he feels are inferior. Which for him is everyone else.

[@MrRizzyWizzy]

And this in my opinion is how Donald Trump got elected. The presidents that speak at a higher intelligence level make the commoner go into a "nod and agree" mode and clap because everybody else does, but they don't semantically understand what the president or candidate is actually saying. Along comes Trump, and now the people listening can understand him because they are using equal level vocabulary, and they can feel like they are part of the big idea, and that Trump was sent there to talk directly to them. If Trump talked on a level of eloquence as Obama or Clinton or Dawkins or Harris, he wouldn't have as many followers. And on the other hand, the smarter ones in the crowd can see through it, and see that Trump isn't smart, he just knows how to clue in on what gets applause and what doesn't, and keep saying the stuff that does. If you notice, Trump will say a lot of bizarre stuff just to see if it sticks, and then his next rally will focus on the good parts. But he doesn't have the intelligence to figure out what actually needs to be done, and that is reflected in all of his failed business ventures. When he said the "I love the poorly educated", he was being 100% honest.

[@SRKanai1]

@@dannyallen4992 Oh I had the same thought. I would give any amount of money to watch that. It's funny because he's so dismissive of Hitchens and really downright insulting, but I've come to notice, he only insults those he's terrified of. There would have been a mighty Hitchslap or twain in that debate, had it happened.

[@mickberry164]

He's a terrible psychologist.

[@victorc777]

Jordan’s ability to be perceived as knowing so much about a topic, yet being so ambiguous, that even he doesn’t know where he stands on any one topic. This is a skill many pseudo experts have and use.

[@jbern2185]

He just keeps it super vague, tries to dissect something small the person said, argue something small and petty the other person said that doesn't even address the point, or he zeros in on something so small but barely relevant to the subject to distract that he's not answering the question.

[@springinfialta106]

The group of atoms referred to as "Sam Harris" uttered some sounds at the group of atoms referred to as "Jordan Peterson" based completely on the laws of physics and the prior state of the universe. This action is perceived by other groups of atoms referred to as "human beings" as "Sam Harris" owning "Jordan Peterson". Isn't life wonderful!

[@suzannemckenzie7035]

He avoided the question by lashing out at the crowd. ! Wow!

[@macrumpton]

JP is such a huckster. Everything about him says "I'm lying about everything I say, but you can't prove it". I am puzzled why he continues to have these public discussions with Sam Harris which expose his true nature.

[@johnreuter4916]

His moron followers would chalk dodging Sam up as a loss, you know, chickening out and all that, so by Bloviating his way through he looks like a tough guy, and since the idiots have no clue what the hell either of them is saying he gets to pick up a paycheck and get more exposure for his grift on YTube.

[@danburnes722]

Best approach is always to answer a question with a question without answering the initial question that was posed in the first place.

[@mrsatire9475]

Yes, then answer your own question and call it a win

[@bdono555]

Dodge, duck, dive, dip dodge, Everytime peterson deals with an actual smart person.

[@lyssword]

"you're taking me out of context" well ok, what is the context? "well you see there is no such thing as context and no one really knows what context is"

[@jessehash1583]

LOL, that's grifter Jordan in a nutshell

[@user-wp8pm7nw1c]

I have often listened to JP speak and afterwards could not summarize what he said.

[@Motherplantmusic]

Stunning how so many people fall for Peterson’s bull shit.

[@jimjamespaultyrone]

Stunning how your stupidity shines so bright.

[@user-rn9ge8pk5y]

People used to clap at witches being burnt.

[@bunkertons]

It is refreshing to see so many people understand that Peterson is only interested in himself, making money off disenfranchised people, and fame. He disgusts me, and I am delighting in his fall.

[@ZeeAmy]

Notice how quickly JP's behavior shifts after attcking the audience? Almost immediately after he laughs... Sus.

[@antiochiaadtaurum3786]

false self in action, it's an act

[@humbertojimenez3475]

Im glad im not the only one bothered by that.

[@antiochiaadtaurum3786]

@@humbertojimenez3475 he's a sociopathic con

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

What do you mean? I don’t see it.

[@humbertojimenez3475]

@@henrikaugustsson4041 Jordan does a turn to the audience and displays anger & disdain towards them (never towards his debate partner). He issues this to distract and then pivots back w a smile. He does this when he’s cornered. Not sure if it’s intentional or he just loses control of his emotions

[@coulombs465]

The fact that Peterson gets triggered when asked to get to the point shows that he has absolutely no substance.

[@scoontaquex3388]

He's on record stating he didn't do well in this debate to stay on point and communicate clearly - he's clearly not at his best, here. To generalize a narrow section of a debate amidst a large body of work as defining one's substance is rather reductive, no?

[@coulombs465]

@@scoontaquex3388 I think you are misinterpreting the statement. My claim is not that his lack of clarity in one sentence disqualifies his argument or world view, rather that it exemplifies the tendency of this fake intellectual of refusing to engage with actual arguments in favour of staying purposely vague or changing the topic of conversation. Anyone interested in intellectually honest debate would not employ such cheap tactics.

[@scoontaquex3388]

@@coulombs465 Thanks for clarifying. I do agree he did not engage well in this debate and I've heard him speak on his regret on this event. I suppose I am curious as to what other content of his you have viewed that supports this view. I listen to Jordan relatively often. I found this debate to be frustrating and unproductive. There have been other conversations he has been a part of I've found similarly lacking in quality and depth. However, there have been equally as many where he has been precise, insightful, and eloquent. I'm genuinely trying to understand where the hyper-critical, grifter-label perspective that I do not share comes from as a part of my own critical self-reflection.

[@coulombs465]

​@@scoontaquex3388Fair enough, I think we agree that focusing on this debate is unproductive. I am glad you asked about the "grifter perspective" since I think labeling Peterson a grifter encapsulates his persona very well. I cannot presume to speak for everyone who considers him as such but I believe there to be two main components to this. 1. The first component which is my primary concern is his claim to intellectualism, where he falls short on most accounts. I am from a natural sciences background so my primary concern is with his plainly wrong statements on the field of psychology, where he does more damage than good by all accounts. His philosophical musings seem rather surface level too, by most philosophers accounts (which I am personally less interested/ qualified in judging however). If you want specifics on why he fails as a psychologist I think his tendency to bring in philosophy where there is clear data is a negative, since I believe him to be deeply biased. I believe him to display a general lack of Intellectual honesty too, since his modus operandi is to obfuscate with epistemology when this is not necessary to the debate. 2. What promotes him from a pseudo-intellectual to a grifter are his politics. He clearly misrepresents the opposing views in Politics to demonize them so that he can push a narrative of persecution to his followers, allowing him to cash in on their ignorance. This requires little explanation considering that he is now in league with alt-right, fascists who seek nothing more than to exploit political division. Anyone truly interested in helping people would call attention to the faults on both sides of the political spectrum in an effort to educate, rather than to demonize "wokeness" as if it presents some apocalyptic threat. I have my own issues with "woke culture" but it is clear that the fear mongering of the likes of Peterson is bogus. I hope that this clears up some of the backgrounds on why he is considered a shill.

[@LesCish]

JP has so much to say proclaiming the truth of Christianity but evades serious questions about what he actually believes. I’ve only ever heard him claim a belief in “the idea of” God or Christ.

[@ashsmee]

Ok so are we for sure that JP isn’t on benzos still……cause like yikes bro.

[@rogerbrassard]

There is a term in military intelligence on what influences people. MICE « Money, Influence, Ideology, Ego » for him it’s money, influence and ego

[@skepticalobserver7484]

Religious people with IQs from 70-90 absolutely LOVE Jordan Peterson. They’re smart enough to know how impressive he sounds but not smart enough to see through any of the BS.

[@scoontaquex3388]

Bravo to him for being coherent enough to be understood by those without exceptional intellects. Know plenty of people with high IQs who value his ideas and find him insightful - granted, with a better ability to critique and unravel the times where he is less on point than others (who isn't?)

[@Captain-Cosmo]

Peterson's face should appear in the dictionary under the word 'sophistry".

[@NeuroRift]

Peterson is like talking to a drunk uncle holding a thesaurus.

[@kenbaumgartner1792]

Jordan Peterson is a very dishonest grifter.

[@user-wm8kp9ym9z]

My mother's family was deported in 1947; my father's family has their land confiscated in 1956 - I, personally, as a logistic army officer in 1988 couldn't buy bread to feed 690 soldiers. Therefore it is hard for me to lean on beautiful-in-theory/ disastrous-in-reality tenets of 😢Foucault, Derida, and Frankfurt School. The birthday wish of those times was " May all your , sorry, everyone's wish come true". Of course, just my personal lived experience. Thousands of others risked their lives swimming the Danube rived and either got shot by border patrols or were put in prison.

[@patrickrichard5948]

JP is great at turning a debate about religion into a debate about linguistics

[@MacAutomationTips]

The story of Cain and Abel is profound? Seriously not. It makes the God character petty and weird.