When Scandal Rocks the Church... A Word About IHOPKC

Carl Lentz, Mark Driscoll, Hillsong
Every other week, it seems like a new high-profile Christian leader or institution is in the news, exposed for covering up years of sin. Many believers are left wounded by the church and stuck asking, "Was that experience with God even real?"
In this episode of Worship is My Weapon, Rita Springer responds to the new allegations of an affair between Misty Edwards and Kevin Prosch, prominent worship leaders from IHOPKC.
Rita shares her personal experience with IHOP and gives an insider's perspective on the dark side of the worship industry.
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Chapter Markers:
00:00 Coming Up
00:38 Let’s Talk About This
02:25 Ritas Connection With IHOP (International House of Prayer)
03:32 Responding to Moral Failure Like Jesus
06:40 Prophetic Dream in 2022 About Misfits in Church
12:46 Bad Behavior in Church - How Do People Get There?
14:30 How God Sees Your Life
17:58 Rita’s Perspective on How to Respond
20:15 What Is God Saying to Us in This Season?
21:41 Is God Involved in Music Charts and Awards
25:10 How to Tell if It’s Authentic
29:51 Why Is This Happening?
32:08 Trusting Institutions That Have Failed Us
33:00 Having Accountability
36:12 Desiring the Presence of God
37:41 The Influence of Kevin Prosh
43:57 Heed the Red Flags With Prayer
54:40 So How Do We Respond?
01:01:01 What Would Jesus Do?
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[@katt1138]

When minestry becomes performance,then the sanctuary becomes a theatre.The congregation becomes an audience,worship becomes entertainment and man's applause and approval becomes the measure of success. Thank you for this video.😊

[@laurenamitchell2346]

You are very very right It seem that the enemy has brainwashed**government Who know that the world is created by GOD our heavenly father** And that the law's are based on the commandments of God*** But governments allow themselves to be brainwashed By the establishment Who over the past 4 decades** majority of people have lost what is called a good conscience * with Jesus Christ at the centre of it*** There is an invasion that has been allowed to drip through and wants to annihilation the TRUE bible believers in Jesus Christ*** Exactly like they have been planning to annihilate the Jews from the days of HAYMAN the PHILISTINE in The days of Esther JEWISH ORPHAN and HER UNCLE Mordecai in the days of the old testiment** WHERE KING AHASUERUS OF PERSIA DAYS ** EVENTUALLY ESTHER WHO'S JEWISH NAME WAS HADDASAH MEANING MYRTLE** HER PARENTS HAD TO GIVE THE PERSIAN NAME ESTHER TO HELP WHEN AND IF 😅 SHE BECAME ORPHANED FOR HER SURVIVAL EVENTUALLY FROM THE ANTISEMITIC JEW HATERS** JUST LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY***WHEN TERRORISTS HAMAS FROM THE PHILISTINE TRIBE 🔥JUST AS HAMAN from THE PHILISTINE TRIBE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT** ** IT IS THE SAME PATTERNS CONTINUING ** THIS CENTURY** THE JEWS HAVE TO ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR MESSIAH** AND **😈 BUT THIS EVIL DEMONIC WORLD SYSTEM IS AIMED TO GET PEOPLE STUCK**

[@dgformersinna8644]

Wow! How painfully true! 😢😢😢

[@mybiblechurchnews]

I totally agree with you because I see them as THE SONNY & CHER SHOW...Pastor and Wife, Musicians, Lights, Camera and Action.

[@cassandraburton6132]

Well put. 🦋🇦🇺

[@jobrown8146]

Yes!!! And includes a ringmaster or emcee.

[@deborabarros1159]

I was abused by the pastor of my church! I’m a living testimony that people are fallible but JESUS IS NOT!!!!!

[@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi]

That pastor should never pastor again. The ministry must be above reproach.

[@deborabarros1159]

@@BennettJonWayne-xw9vi agreed! Police said that they could not do anything because we had no proof. This was in 2000.

[@dedios03]

Amen sister hope you are recovered and blessed in Jesus

[@nettaford2279]

Amen! ❤🙌🙏🏾

[@susansoozwaller4935]

We all hope you took it to the authorities. Good on you to stand in the solid rock! 😅😅😅

[@lyndabarbermusic]

Confession is completely overlooked. I was a Worship Leader but had hidden sin. I finally broke in front of strangers but they were believers in a home bible study. I confessed. They prayed, I knew if I didnt I wasnt going to be able to function. I was destroying everything in my life and felt sick in my stomach. Regardless of my abuse I was filled with demon spirits from open doors. Deliverance was my final move, The shame is gone! I repented and now I can obey HIm. I love my Jesus!! These people in leadership may need deliverance. Seriously. I pray for them.

[@jasontipton8430]

Absolutely and praise god you got free

[@ShakeetaTorres]

🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@wendyzara6908]

Yes of course pray for them, Jesus came to heal and forgive. They must step down, keep with the Lord. Thank God they confessed. Now Jesus is still coming and the devil hates us. Keep Gods word in your heart day and night, do His word…

[@pennyjaggars9835]

Amen, I took am a worship leader and fell away into sin,seduced and my heart was divided,in God's mercy,He disciplined me,then after a time,of sitting,and working out my own salvation with fear and trembling,getting delivered,and truly repenting of my sin,God restored my soul, with compassion now for others in the same,now 😢my heart breaks for others we must pray and intercede

[@KMT65]

A true born again believer can NOT be 'possessed' by a 'demon'. There is not one instance of that in God's Word. Not one.

[@aliclark580]

"When you lose the voice of the Shepard you become attuned to the voice of the stranger." --so powerful. Thanks for addressing this, staying righteous, and speaking truth into this darkness.

[@mama.ashley]

That was so good

[@richardmorris363]

I’ve been a Christian since 1975. Graduated from CFNI in 81. In various charismatic churches all my adult life. The best lesson I learned at CFNI was in the first week at orientation. Warned that we will see men of God fall. Don’t let it destroy your faith. Chew up the meat and spit out the bones. Stay in The Word. So, I walk, try to walk, every day focused on God. Can’t be shaken by others weirdness or failings.

[@scriptwriter1268]

If you're still Charismatic after all this time....yikes

[@joedeb1976]

Funny you say, " chew the meat, spit out the bones". Pastor of church we attended in Onset, Ma. back in 1992, used to say that all the time. He was a graduate of CFtheN.

[@cwiseman2]

@@scriptwriter1268Pharisee much?

[@lstewart42]

Also graduated CFNI in 1985. Still walking with Jesus and are currently missionaries in South America. We grieve for what has been exposed since we left Kansas City to come here. Our daughter grew up with IHOPKC and is very shocked and saddened as well.

[@L-ff5kw]

@@lstewart42 I’m so sorry for your lose… what a grievous thing to lose your church. Collateral damage….

[@KatieThompson_MissionStudios]

​​"No right to talk about anything you will not pray for" - SO GOOD!! 🔥

[@katrinapritchett6241]

I have to remember this quote!

[@finchsparrowbird]

So good I got a screenshot! 😊

[@laurie9993]

Perfect. Less opinions, more intercession (get rhema or gods take on lt like Rita says 😍)

[@finchsparrowbird]

@@nadalineL I *think* the context is to not "talk about" if you are an outsider but only pray, instead. It's more about God prompting R, "this desperately needs our prayer, FIRST and foremost". All critical issues need to be immediate to the throne, as a priority. *However* validated "gut feelings" really should be talked about to edify those who don't feel right: responsibly, not for the purpose of titillation or gossip. (I hope of haven't misinterpreted). If something is off, report it to a trusted person straight away. It could prevent further SA's. Also, If you have a "gut feeling", could it also be the Holy Spirit urging to help and bring justice?

[@csouthland]

@@katrinapritchett6241 Try and remember this one instead: “Do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you” (Jer. 7:16).

[@vintagegirl68]

Seven years isn't a mistake, it's a lifestyle. We have been betrayed by people we trusted. They knew what they were doing and didn't CARE.

[@nadalineL]

Thank you. We need accountability for the evil going on in the church and the abuse from super star leader “prophets” People are watching Do we sweep SA under the rug like the Catholics because “church leader holy man” When it’s plain as day they are a WOLF!

[@VERNACROWTHERgrcf]

EXACTLY! They r the ones who need the “FEAR of GOD,” rather than those who are discerning hypocrisy & false teachings. Those false prophets, sinning apostles/leaders are in need of “FEARING” the Lord.

[@jenniferdennis8052]

If it wasnt for the Grace of God .... anyone can fall .... we need to pray .... yes expose the works of darkness but also pray .... and do this in humility because an of us can fall

[@vintagegirl68]

@@jenniferdennis8052 I agree we need to pray for sure, but I don't agree that just anyone could start or have a 7 year affair. That's full out rebellion, not a fall.

[@jenniferdennis8052]

I get what your saying .... i just know Gods grace is available for us no matter what has happened when we turn back to him .... its a very sad situation I hope everyone involved get healed and restored 😢😢❤❤❤

[@BrandenBrittneyMusic]

This is so hard. I think there are real victims of abuse here. Not just people’s moral failure, I’m very concerned about the wreckage caused and systems and ministries that we have blindly allowed to continue for decades. I agree that we need to guard our hearts and not throw stones. We also need to ask why is this continuing to happen and how are we allowing it. We are starting to get to a point where leaders need to be trauma informed and have church abuse policies. I don’t know how else anyone will feel safe being apart of churches. This grieves my heart so much. Thank you Rita for being willing and open to talk about this. My prayers are with you for the church, and the people who now struggle with a distorted reality of God because of sin. People really need to know that God is not like this!

[@fluffers2835]

Thank you for entering the discussion and sharing your heart. What is happening in KC has been gut wrenching.

[@sheilaboland6285]

No more gut wrenching than knowing hundreds of ppl have no food to eat or haven’t had food in days, have no basic necessities. Babies and children are raped repeatedly on a daily basis. Who speaks for them?

[@Eloign]

Anger is an appropriate response to abuse. It takes time for people to get through their processing. It's not unspiritual to start with anger or to feel it.

[@jessicascott8780]

Yes! Agree ❤ Anger is not an unspiritual response and understandable. But even in our anger, it should lead us to our knees, not to judgement

[@maggiesalle2256]

Yes!!

[@rjcm2212]

Without anger there is often no ability to set appropriate boundaries.

[@cjshine7984]

Preach!!

[@cjshine7984]

​@@jessicascott8780 Jesus drove out the people in the temple with whips. No one has displayed that level of anger in this evil situation.

[@NarnianLady]

What is outrageous is how many people had the sense that something was off, but they were ostracized and shut down as soon as they tried to speak out. Many 'little believers', considered unimportant by these large ministries and organizations, saw clearly that there were serious issues - abuse of power, sexual perversion, false teachings.. May God bring His justice and healing to all the victims!

[@finchsparrowbird]

Sometimes the hardest place is to be is to be an enabler :- those people that did the ostracising and ultimately protected and enabled the behaviour, are very unlikely to recognise the destructive part they played. Thank God for Jesus, and may He keep us all out of this thinking and behaviour 🙏 😬 "By the grace of God go I" indeed.

[@sunnydayzie1202]

It's always that way in church abuse. Same thing with those in Ravi Zacharias' ministry. Eyes on Jesus all the time. Not on people.

[@NarnianLady]

@@sunnydayzie1202Thankfully, Ravi's daughter admitted her fault and they dismantled the whole organization, not wanting to cause the victims any more pain..

[@L-ff5kw]

@@NarnianLadyappropriate Same should be done in this situation

[@hazeleyes6651]

What happened there?

[@marcimccann1109]

I was a vineyard worship leader in the midwest for many years. The lack of spiritual character that was allowed by leadership was astounding, in the name of grace, which destroyed many lives. I no longer attend or work in any religious system, but continue to worship our Heavenly Father at home and in our home group. ❤

[@daryleannczajkowski6822]

I hear and agree with you! As a veteran of the VCF, I found they had a big emphasis on the MERCY of God without balancing it with God’s hatred of sin and the reason Jesus had to die on the cross as a blood atonement for the sins of man. We can’t disregard Hebrews 10:26. We can’t willfully continue in sin without consequences. I am sorry to hear that you can only worship at home. Not every church struggles that way. I left a fellowship and a building but didn’t leave Jesus! God bless you!

[@marcimccann1109]

@daryleannczajkowski6822 Being out of the system and getting back to the real heart of worship, is what brought much peace and healing to me. It's taken about 12 years but I am grateful everyday for the healing mercies of Jesus.

[@jackiwheeler6963]

God bless you ❤

[@robynellison3790]

The question to ask is: Are the people who have been lying and using/abusing young women throwing themselves on the floor in repentance or are they doubling down and running away from any responsibility and hoping they can manipulate others so they stop asking about their behaviour? A multitude of people have wanted to be transparent about this and bring in a third party to investigate but the perpetrator has shut it down. It starts with the person in power who used vulnerable women for their own needs owning their part and the victims being believed. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.

[@TS4mm3rtym3]

I'd like to hear Rita interview Robert Morris.

[@desleymendoza7445]

I prayed with all my heart this morning that the fear of God would fall on us all. I was praying specifically for IHOPKC

[@kimdorio8111]

Also, pray specifically for the victims

[@desleymendoza7445]

@@kimdorio8111 I pray for the accusers as well. 🙂

[@kimdorio8111]

Ms Mendoza? I know how to unsubscribe, but thank you for your interest in letting me know

[@kimdorio8111]

You specifically used the word "accusers", not surprised. This issue is well beyond the accusatory stage. Absolutely no reason for you to respond further.

[@desleymendoza7445]

@@kimdorio8111 I appreciate how you might find it offensive, but the reality is that none of the accusations have been proven. At this stage it is all accusations with no substantive evidence. I don't mean that in a pejorative way. I refuse to speculate on what or how much of what is true or not. It's not my place.

[@AMRevere]

I love your heart on this situation, Rita. Thank you for encouraging us to stand on the Word of God and be in prayer in situations like this.

[@VNorton7]

As a Christian counselor, I think the real emphasis should be on the countless innocent victims devastated by the abuse this wolf in Sheep’s clothing committed! They are wounded and have been silenced and marginalized. They deserve JUSTICE & God stands with such victims and wants the church to bring those victims into His fold for healing, restoration and support!!! This is where the emphasis should be placed. Who are they? Where are they? Who in the body of Christ is helping THEM??

[@joannewood6566]

I led worship in two churches in Canada and was sexually assaulted in both of them. I also know of a lot of criminal activities. I was threatened to be silent and “tell no one.” I have personally left the church crushed and everyone has covered for the perpetrators. I lost all those I thought were my friends and family.

[@cjshine7984]

Yes!!! I'm so weary of the talk being everything but about victims. The spiritual verbal dance show around the subject is nauseating.

[@Clairsach]

Are you forgetting the vengeance is the Lords? Why do you assume the victims are forgotten? Rita is addressing the broader problem . Too many want anger. Too many stop at victimization, not at the turning to Jesus for his overcoming.

[@cjshine7984]

@@Clairsach I don't see anything about vengeance in this. She mentioned Justice. That's a whole different thing. And yes the victims are forgotten. Not only forgotten but shamed for speaking up, gaslighted, lied to, blackmailed, scorned and shunned from Christian community. Church does this in the name of Jesus.... policing how the victims and their advocates should feel and speak so their reputation isn't ruined. They are not addressing the elephant in the room, neither do they care. If anyone is practicing vengeance, it's the church practicing it against the victims. Jesus has strong words for individuals who refuse to care for the oppressed.

[@oscarcat1231]

@@joannewood6566Terrible

[@lomcknight1919]

Regarding ELDERS " Those who are sinning , rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear" 1 Tim.5:20

[@berns4146]

IHOP has never been on my radar. I may have had Bickles name come before me a time or two in the in the thirty or so years that I've known the Lord. But since this story has come to light, I've watched and listened and sadly it's the same events being played out over and over again. An extreme narcissist and predator gains the trust of the gullible, the parents of the abused don't keep watch over their precious daughters and they become a casualty. The general lack of biblical understanding and the lack of wisdom in particular is breathtaking. At the present you still have members in "leadership" in the charismatic movement still protecting Mike Bickle. The word of God directs us to mark and avoid people like Bickle and to remove him from among our midst. They're beating the drums to "restore" Bickle to ministry...Charismatic "leadership" in effect is just as wicked as Bickle himself.

[@rebekahmaddox1531]

Exactly!!!! I agree wholeheartedly with you.

[@NarnianLady]

Agree, usually the predator is very witty, charming, possessing all the necessary attributes for a popular leader. I have come across similar leaders and pastors, and the way how they drew in sincere souls and totally rejected them afterwards was just so wicked and heartbreaking. What is the use of a 'vision' when God's little ones are damaged?!

Protestantism is becoming more and more appalling as the years go by and I'm gravitating to early church orthodoxy... religion will not save us but being struck by the fear of the Lord will keep us all in check.

[@corkeylou]

Can be. I think he should step down.

[@scriptwriter1268]

IHOP has been on a lot of our radars for decades. We KNEW it was a cult...most pentacostal/charismania churches are...sorry. abuse or no abuse, there's always elements of heavy manipulation, fraud, false signs, spiritual abuse etc in these circles often with heresy.

[@jessicascoby3123]

Rita, thank you, I live in KC and this was the best handling of the situation I've heard. May the Lord help us all be faithful and humble intercessors.

[@rebekahmaddox1531]

The thing is, Mike didn’t “get there.” He was already there from its foundation. “Wolf in sheep’s clothing.” Point blank.

[@user-xn5bg9rl8p]

exactly… and please forgive me but this is a terribly terribly sophomore presentation. You need to be Berean with the word. You need to understand this is not one man this is many men this is the model. You are not being cynical when you begin to discern you are waking up to the reality of the world that our Lord wants us to see. For you to continue to talk in this way that makes those discerning seem cynical is so problematic. It’s not up to us to forgive we are not the forgivers! Jesus Christ is. in the end times even the elect will be deceived. On purpose blind. Blind because of their desires blind because of their lack of loyalty to God. Not knowing his true character not knowing who he truly was. Our churches right now need to be so much stronger and so much more discerning and in the word!!!Oh no personalities just in the word. This is not a way to lead a flock. This is a way to continue to make people fly and skim the surface and not really see the evil that surrounds them. The evil that murdered our Lord and Savior that evil is gunning for all of us at this time in history and we better wake up and we better see it we better put on the armor of God and know how to fight it.

[@user-xn5bg9rl8p]

You are a handler. You sound like…a handler my friend. Go read the word and get off that stage you do not belong on it

[@user-ui5lp7fg4y]

I am so sorry but we are talking about predators here.. it’s not enough to see red flags, or to feel and be distant. We need to expose it , warn the church, stop them from ministry and protect the sheep. Complicity is not the way to go. We have victims because these ones have been allowed to continue ministering in the charismatic circles.

[@L-ff5kw]

Don’t apologize you are absolutely correct. We as a church…. Have been conditioned to cover for the “man of God”

[@lionandlamb7663]

AMEN!

[@Angeldancer56]

There have been many trying to warn of the corruption in the church for some time but it has been largely ignored. Why? That's what needs to be addressed

[@cjshine7984]

Speak it louder for those in the back!

[@yasmeenkhan5469]

Amen!

[@samking82]

Wow. Conviction from the Holy Spirit over how the Lord chastised you for 'talking about someone you weren't willing to pray for". Thank you for sharing/teaching this important word.😢😢

[@lynnr9332]

A refreshing Godly response... Thank you. It is so heartbreaking to see all of the cannibalizing and profiting off of this situation. May God have mercy on us and awaken our hearts to his will and response. Thank you so much... The body at large should hear this. ❤

[@bonniebusby1067]

I finally had to leave IHOP in 2019 as the Holy Spirit was lifting and it was becoming so worksy and critical in its community. I grieved the loss and have been praying for healing for all

[@angelagrant2943]

Bless you ❤️. I pray healing for you in Jesus name ❤

[@deirdrehelms5958]

It never was of God The Spirit of God did not depart as He was never there Mike Bickle was grooming a 19 year old sexually by repeating supposed visions he received (demonic) when he started IHOP Kmart made the mistake of insulting compromising are blaspheming Almighty God to suggest he would give a massive fish into a man laying on top of a 18 year old girl. We need already groomed a 15 year old girl previously and sexually assaulted. A 1420 said it was children please to go to salt gotcha character ever saying that the spirit of God had anything to do with IHOP. He created as a haven for chain, so could be around teen girls whatever you felt there was a Citizen St., Spirit that was impersonating the Holy Spirit. This happens a lot in charismatic churches, and mainly through music . I hope you understand yes, people have been in there call understand this. This man was operating a Coptic principles, music issues like the Pied Piper to lead astray to give euphoric feelings to present the idea of an anointing, but there is no one on in there I know it’s hard to deal with a Chapman YOUARE, that Phil and Ministries don’t be Able or not able to say that for some reason, but just say you were filled Esskeetit over with SAS father hours food and please show me the difference from your true Holy Spirit Anthis seducing spirit. The scripture talks about a lot from false Prophets.

[@sheilaboland6285]

The Holy Spirit hasn’t lifted. I still met God there! The last three years.

[@JSLantz]

As someone who loved Mike Bickle and his bible teachings, and also someone who was a part of a small house of prayer in Indiana for almost 10 years. It has been very hard for me to process this situation in a healthy way. It's been very depressing to watch people who I thought were respectable turn out to be anything but. And it's a lesson for all of us to not trust in man, and to make the bible, and Holy Spirit our main source of spiritual sustinance. Because man will always disappoint, man will always fail at the end of the day. But God remains faithful and true. This has all been very hard to deal with.

[@sheilaboland6285]

But God still loves Mike Bickle and how do you know he hasn’t been abused in his early life?😢

[@JSLantz]

@@sheilaboland6285 of course God does. And how is that relevant at all?

[@djanysalerno3100]

I’m so sorry for all the hurt and disappointment!… it has been a long grieving seasson 😢… thank you for serving a decade in a house of prayer I served also here for over a decade in a half (Ihopkc)… and it’s painful to see the layers of sin, deception, is not only him… honestly they should close Ihopkc and let all be exposed, and people heal. Many musician intercessors can go to serve other houses…

[@JSLantz]

@@djanysalerno3100 I'm starting to agree with you, because I'm not sure they can possibly come back from their mistakes in managing this situation.

[@ShakeetaTorres]

🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@oksanarachel]

The art of confession- confess before accusation forced you. Another great thought

[@Kingdomkid829]

As a worship leader at a vineyard in Ohio who was told at 16 that I sounded like “Rita Springer” and you were the first alto female worship leader I’d ever heard… And listening to your worship and allowing God to tell me it’s okay to sound different… And 20 years later hearing your heart…Rita. Thank you for being you and for existing in the world and being real. I needed to hear you today. I needed to be reminded that to have a different heart voice is okay. Thank you.

[@barbaraamos385]

Thank you Rita, this was a good discussion - well, I was discussing what you were saying with Jesus while you were speaking...I appreciate your wisdom - I am 71 years and in Australia, but I have loved IHOPKC so much over the past 25 years and have travelled there and spent 3 weeks in the prayer room. So, I have been grieved by all this, but praying for all involved is the way to go. Blessings to you sister x x

[@sashahorning8014]

This is what we needed. We really did need a mom to acknowledge our pain and give wisdom to move forward ❤

[@cjohn316]

@@eveelsbury8341you’re disgraceful

[@cjohn316]

@@eveelsbury8341you are disgraceful

[@ce8084]

Amen Sister, and God’s not done tilling the ground, it is rampant in the church globally. It is heart breaking but absolutely necessary for the poison to be extracted. We need our Lord always and we need each other in love, truth and justice. God Bless ❤️❤️🙏🙏❤️❤️

[@monicacuellar6665]

This is the most honest and raw podcast on some very REAL stuff other than the subject. I felt so much of what you were speaking about with regards to repentance, humility and distraction. I was getting so checked in my spirit. Thank you for being a voice in the chaotic winds of true transformation!!

[@monicacuellar6665]

@@eveelsbury8341 what I meant by real was that she didn't use a lot of the Christian-ese fluff that many will use to try to explain things. I also appreciate the rawness and vulnerability.

[@Remnant1Rising]

Fortunately for me I'm one of those out in the water and have not been that close to the "religious church" to have even heard of this downfall. Judgement begins in the house of God. Also, beware lest you think you stand and may fall. The measure of judgement you judge others you will be judged. The remnant love one another and are accustom to being rejected in the "church" .God is beginning the reformation of the church to welcome all to the His real bride. 👑🕊❣️

[@lionandlamb7663]

It's OK to judge those who are claiming to be Born Again, walking with Jesus. We don't judge outside the church h, that is up to Jesus

[@bonniebusby1067]

Yes yes so weeping and praying for healing and justice !! So so many hurting and facing great loss

[@Jakeztube23]

I’m so convicted! Thank you for the call to pray.

[@1nganucheau]

Just Wow! Thank you Rita! I hung on every word of this. My husband and I were Vineyard worship leaders back in the day. We did the Conferences, writing music, etc. My heart is so grieved.

[@AE-km1gz]

Yessss this is so good! The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom!

[@valeriescull2076]

So much wisdom and insight spoken here. Our first responsibility is to have grace and pray for those who have fallen, knowing that we too fall daily. I hear hope in this message. Thank you - I needed to hear these words snd I could not be more removed from this whole story, but it doesn’t matter because what you shared applies to sooo many circumstances that we as believers face when it comes to hidden sin, denial, lack of accountability, missing red flags, confession and healing and the Lord’s grace and correction. ❤❤❤

[@pkb4316]

Have been a Pastor for over 45 years! Had a dear friend who loved IHOP worship and would travel to IHOPKC annually to just sit in worship for a week. He could not get enough of Jesus. Tragically, 3 years ago died suddenly of COVID! Now he has all of Jesus he desires. I'm glad he was spared all this. It would have crushed his spirit! Help us Lord!

[@sdm101869]

Thank you for speaking on it. You have been such a faithful witness in the worship community.

[@lisadouglass1229]

Weeping and bowing low thank you for being faithful. So grieved.

[@maryhamric]

Rita, thank you for this. I have been discouraged by so many responding in anger instead of grief. Maybe it's my 38 years in the Vineyard movement, a year of which was at Metro Vineyard, but I just was so, so sad as all of this was coming out. My heart breaks for the victims but also for the fallen leaders and sadness at the continued attempts to manipulate and silence the stories of the victims. I agree...it is SO EASY to say "I can't believe this is happening! ". As the saying goes "there but for the grace of God, go I". We are all so, so much closer to falling in this way than we realize. We need to be humble. I have been there and never, EVER thought I would be. I am now healing and it's painful, slow and agonizing. But Jesus will have the victory in my life.

[@rupathuraisingam2436]

Wow! That is so spot on, Rita. Thank you for being forthright and for your sincerity. Thank you for the raw and straightforward word. It cut right through my heart. My heart is breaking for the young people who have no mothers and fathers who will tell them that they’ve gone the wrong way. I will intercede and pray for God’s mercy. Your words gave me encouragement to let my brothers and sisters in Christ know if I sense something is not right, and ask for the same for myself.

[@lauranichols7623]

You are so wise. My grandson is a creative and is heading toward a Christian school in Nashville this fall. He has a dream and I am worried that he will get caught up in something that he doesn’t know or understand because of his excitement in exploring the music world. Right now he seems to be grounded in his faith. I am praying for discernment, and him staying close to the Lord through all this and finding the right community. We need the Holy Spirit so desperately in the church. I think his generation is looking for that. Thank you for your wisdom.

[@sdm101869]

Sooo good. "Stop givimg me credit for things i have nothing to do with or am not invited into" on God's response to awards and music charts

[@cristilynexposito]

Yes!! This had to have been the Lord!! So needed to hear this as well!! 🙌🏻

[@conniesybert2704]

Thank you so much for this thought provoking discussion. When you talked about you don't get a pass even if you are in constant pain & distracted by it, wow my ears stood up & I was quickened. Sometimes the pain is all consuming & distracting for sure. That should be our indicator to pray more, to press in to God more. You said it might have sounded harsh, but I heard that loud & clear & I thank you for speaking it! Bless you Sister Rita!

[@catemoon]

Such a blessing to have such a wise woman speak into situations like this. A breathe of fresh air.

[@valeriethatcher9717]

Thank you so much for this! This is exactly what needed to be said! God forgive me for ever judging your sons and daughters instead of interceding for Your mercy and covering.

[@mattkanemusic7529]

Rita thank you so much for these podcasts you touch things that aren’t always spoken about 🙏🏽

[@hilaremoniz6921]

WOW!! Lord help me! Reminds me of Isaiah 59 when the Lord looks on all the sun in Israel and wonders. It doesn’t say He wonders why these sinners are sinning. He wonders why there was no intercessor, so He stretches out His own arm of salvation! 🙌😭🙌 Change me today, Lord.

[@mandolinot]

can't say enough about this....this is so good, so timely, even prophetic....thanks for speaking into this. god help us all.

[@jamiekozimor6877]

Thank you for sharing, Rita. My heart has been so heavy. You’ve helped me get back in realignment over the situation. Was also in the early Vineyard worship days.

[@jackprice7828]

Rita I have been a worship leader and Christian musician since the early 1970's. God has blessed me to be part of some amazing churches and worship teams. One thing that God taught me early on was to know the anointing and respect God's presence when he moves and uses you to move through. I cherish that and never want to get in God's way. If you have that anointing, God will keep you humble. He will not allow his glory to go to man. Unfortunately there are those who don't realize how dangerous it is to trample on God's glory. God will eventually deal with it and usually it's not pretty.

[@dietermaret2503]

Thank you Rita. Everyone needs to hear your take on this ! Blessings from Germany

[@itscindyanna]

Wowwww... Pray for the mercies of God for ourselves and all those involved 🙏

[@adampentz6011]

With everything we have seen over the centuries of big, unaccountable churches, we must realize that we cannot give power to a believer without an equal amount of accountability.

[@naomivanjaarsveld3439]

Thank you for being a mother and sheding God's wisdom and heart of the matter. Speaking frankly but also with integrity. Thank you for your vulnerability in sharing the harsh truths God's has spoken to you. May we leàrn, may we bend and pray. Beautiful!

[@elizabethcassutto3902]

1:30 am 3/21/24. - I Accidentally ran across this podcast as I was looking for What's something else? But I'm so glad I stayed to listen. This is one of the most insightful podcast. I've heard in a long time. Yes, I too. Am a senior believer and I too have been through all the moves of God and I to him in ministry but more importantly, as someone who wants to be ready for the Lord's return. I constantly struggle between being a truth teller. And being compassionate between how much do we walk in the light? And how much do we shove under the bed? In other words, we have to be truthful but with intense compassion. I thought Rita nailed it. She was so honest in her emotion. And so real and I'm so grateful. She did this podcast cause she answered questions I've been asking the Lord for a week. As things are being exposed in the world and the church, I've been saying Lord. What about this and what about that and how do you want me to respond? And I got my answer listening to this podcast. So well done. What a beautiful soul this woman is. A true washed-in-the-power-of-His-blood, SHINING REMNANT saint. 🙏

[@user-yn8qb6nx5s]

Thank you so much for speaking about this in such a Godly way with His wisdom. May these things bring us to our knees in prayer and make us more gracious, compassionate and discerning children of God.

[@pattijohnson1424]

Thank you for sharing your heart, Rita! Such humility and authenticity! ❤️ I have been weeping over this so much the past several months! 😢

[@janetbazley3550]

Thank you so much for releasing this word…the body needs to hear this! Lord help us all to be Your love & light in this world!!!

[@jeanninerodriguezeverard]

Thank you for such an honest, forthright, and vulnerable sharing of your heart regarding this tender and tremendously sad situation. May many hear and return to the fear of the Lord.

[@julaineministries2170]

Rita, I have had so many of these questions for years as a worship leader and you have now answered so beautifully. I would see things as I traveled in worship that would shock me. The Holy Spirit spoke loudly to me, “You see that? Don’t you judge - and don’t you dare do that!” This always kept my heart pure. It is always our own heart that Jesus is after. We are to pray.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

Exposing sin isn't judging according to what many say.. We will know them by their fruit. I've been ousted,lied about and disfellowshipped because I have exposed that which I saw. We need to call out sin and bad behavior. Something people won't like it whenever you shine a light on the sin they're in.

[@pmc2999]

If you allow the wolves to come in and destroy the sheep you are as much of a wolf as they are. When did Jesus ever not judge sin? If you have overlooked the sins of others knowing the damage sin does you do not have a pure heart. Paul literally told us to put unrepentant sinners out of the church.

[@corkvids99]

thank you for your talks and testimony and songs, on Dissapointment, and Trusting God through the storms of life.

[@bocceball63]

Thank you Rita for speaking your heart and causing us all to take a step back and try and approach everything from what God is calling us to do. You are amazing and a blessing.

[@mvg5165]

God doesn’t need mothers fathers prophets writers etc the kingdom of God is simple, love the Lord your God with all your heart and obey his commandments.

[@sdm101869]

Im a vineyard pastor in a tiny vineyard but was in omaha back in this time you are talking about and would come down to Metro routinely and was blown away the first time i walked into that place and felt such a weightiness in the Spirit and Joann McFadder doing her free flowing worship thing and chris dupree singing dance with me. Wow, my heart just breaks at the Revlation of all of this but not totally surprised. Over the years i just sensed some drift away from the heart of the Father for leaders ideas of what the heart of God was. I just dont think a bunch of prophets trying to steer the same ship at the same time was not healthy and even i think mike recognized some of that, perhaps by way of Wimbers input and maybe had something to do with vineyards seperation? I think its one of the dangers of growing in size and the structure taking over the vision and there is the appearance of freedom but a bondage to the machine

[@larriveeman]

It see ihop as allowing false teaching/prophet to flourish, which is non biblical, the written word trumps and expeience

[@RestoreTheBody]

Well said.

[@deirdrehelms5958]

You have NO discernment Joanne McFatter was exposed as a witch teaching the occult

[@cristilynexposito]

I think MB separated from vineyard fleeing accountability of every kind

[@a.k.88HisWay]

Do you know any churches in Omaha that are led by God these days? Not misleading the flock

[@danjones9461]

I receive this correction

[@cristilynexposito]

Thank you Rita! 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏 for aaaalll of it! We so needed your voice in the matter. So worth the wait.

[@ARNOTTashamed]

SO TIMELY!! ❤️‍🔥

[@isabelkim76]

“The voice of the Shepherd we will follow.” Help us Lord not to lose hearing and obeying your voice.

[@PennyMarshall-ji2gn]

We need to fall on our face before God in total surrender! Accountability is so so necessary! Just stumbled on to your podcast! What a blessing! Thank you!

[@deborahlehmann5086]

Thank you for sharing this, Rita, really powerful, very wise! It encourages me to choose to not to go down the rabbit trail. To not point my finger, to not throw stones. To not let the enemy steal my moments of authenticity. But to examine myself and to stay very close to the Lord.

[@beauty_grace3204]

Absolutely agree that the fear of God is needed in the body of Christ! Thanks for sharing your heart Rita.

[@tanyadillon6894]

Thank you, Rita!!!! You are a strong and steady voice in the chaos, encouraging worshippers to stay the course through all these storms. I am deeply grateful for this podcast and appreciate your vulnerability and the way you are choosing to use this platform to speak life from the authority you have earned through your years in worship ministry. I thank God for your discernment and boldness! I'm so glad you are here and pray for your courage and vitality to continue to grow. I intercede for you today as I know you are breaking ground and at the front lines of the spiritual battle taking place. May you be protected in the shadow of His wings! Sending big love to you today. I receive this warning with humility and fall to my knees, in intercession for the Bride. ❤

[@charityholt7737]

God help them. 😢❤

[@Simpleangelk1]

I am humbled to put my heart before the Lord , to where my heart is , not to judge but seek God how to pray not just walk away . Close my ears .. but give the same grace and love God gave me and now to give hope and life in prayer for others .. through Jesus not my own words .. thank you for bringing a light we all can fall at any point . I don’t know these people , I had not heard this situation. I needed to hear this ! Keep my heart on my knees ! But I will pray for these people and family .. Thank you

[@PeaceControlJoYT]

This is ❤️, thank you for this.

[@MOW]

Having been a part of Anaheim and first seeing Kevin at the Holiness Conference... It was fresh and accelerated worship in a powerful way. After all these years watching this happen has been absolutely devastating... I so appreciate your heart Rita. We must stay in prayer and fear the Lord during these times. Grateful that you listened to the "no's" and remained that young woman who tenderly just loved Jesus with your worship.

[@alivetoride59]

Granite sized stones of wisdom. Thanks Rita. It's been so hard here but I've seen drops of mercy and beauty still here.

[@redskyrising7233]

This is why I honor Rita! The truth with so much love is bending me low once again. Soaking the carpet with tears all over again. Thank you Rita!!

[@jessicascott8780]

I found an old journal this morning and on the first page was a quote from Mike Bickle I jotted down in my early 20s. The quote was a reminder to me of how loved I was. I pray His kindness leads Mike to repentance. Thanks for this, Rita! ❤

[@cwiseman2]

I. Love. you. Thank you! Your recent song, “I Think He Is” is a masterpiece! My wife and I listened to it the other day and were just blown away! Thanks for truly leading us to the Father.

[@candesamples468]

Thank you so much! You have just spoken such truth with such true conviction! You are sharing the true heart of God! I am encouraged that there are true worshippers that have the FEAR of the LORD! Thank you again from the bottom of my heart!❤

[@gabikyembamusic]

Bend your body to the ground...thankful for the purity of your heart, Rita!

[@sreynolds777]

Thank you - very grateful to hear a response like this

[@FireSong163]

Thank you Rita! Very well said and I’m grateful you took the time to share with all of us. Appreciate the admonishment & the encouragement. 🥰🤗

[@kathleenlyons3986]

Rita, thank you for this. You answered some of my questions. And His presence is so needed in the church. Agree 100% as you talked about this with Steffany. I really love your heart for the things of God and that you are sharing with us. ❤

[@teohproject]

Johnny cash said he walked the line between the sacred and profane, I would not call that a misfit and yes swore, drank etc while being a believer but the amount of Christ he showed was mind blowing! The fear of God needs to be shown the moment a child is defiled and whatever it takes, a 3rd party independent investigation, being prostrated before god, 24/7 repentance, addressing the questions folks have. We can point out every sin of nonbelievers but won’t say a word in-house! Thank God for the Johnny Cash’s, he fearfully feared The Man that Comes Around!

[@johnknowles9680]

Sweet but useless rehertoric. Your dreams and visitation from Jesus in it are your own. Rooted in your emotional state at the time. The charismatic movement has largely substituted mysticism for spiritual illumination and abandoned the sufficency of Scripture. Blind leaders leading the blind fall into ditches. I'm an old man possibly terminally sick. When I look back over my spiritual walk I can State quite clearly, Pentecostalism is aberrant, so also is most of the Charismatic movement. It's overall common fatal flaw is rooted in mysticism. Charles Hodge stated in his systematic theology the genuine believers are often falsely accused of being mystic's, and that because we believe God has direct access to our souls. The command is to be always accurately handling the word of Truth.

[@jq8974]

I’ve appreciated your honesty for a long time now. I, too, am a strong artistic voice that the church has struggled to mentor. I love Jesus and purity, though. And I love that you go to the bottom of the honest place. It’s the only way to live. Jesus is there.

[@HisLoveArmy]

Thanks for talking it through with us, so many are afraid to even touch the topic

[@donaldedmond4117]

Obedience to God is the highest, and purest, worship. I'm learning this myself. It is my deepest desire to be obedient, not just emotional.

[@amandamcaleece1553]

Thank you, Blessin'! Convicting, challenging and loving!!!

[@Sim1Designs]

Thank you for this podcast. I had no idea about what happened with IHOP, but I knew this would be beneficial to watch in navigating other disappointing news within the church and being watchful over and stewarding our hearts in the midst. Im grateful on how you talked about the fear of the Lord. Also, not allowing the enemy to steal some of precious moments we have had with God in these places. Talking about people we have not been willing to go before the Lord really blessed me too. So many nuggets in this episode. Blessings

[@gillianroberts446]

No - get real never be complicit in silence with an abuser. The whole talk has centered on you my dear sister and you seem to be able to talk causually and intimately with God who never told you that something was up. How can I trust your judgement. And I say that with respect

[@tamimoncrief2264]

I agree. We should pray for them. We also should sound an alarm when a wolf enters the fold. We should never be complicit in silence.

[@JenAmigo]

This moment hearing your words and heart has kept my hope in Jesus- I am a misfit called worshipper- deceived by church leaders and men. I live in Kansas City. I have an accountability father- I have hope I will make it and live in the fear of God. I never knew who you were until this video. Thank you

[@davidhokmin]

My mom sent this to me because I have friends falling away and one of them has had a pattern of unrepentance. I used to love those vineyard tapes and cds back in the day! This really was a great video to watch while my Christian friends are sort of doing things only I can really see and feel more encouraged to just pray for them more..Thx! Subbed now!

[@nathanjosephmoore]

Thank you for this powerful message. I went to the one thing conference in 2011, and was so deeply impacted by hearing songs like Worthy of It All, All is For You Glory, and Jesus You’re Beautiful. I’m grateful for the amazing worship leaders that I continue to look up to who have roots in ihop, David Brymer, Laura Hackett Park, Jon Thurlow, Matt Gilman and many others. I’ve been gutted as I’ve heard news of the brokenness that has come to light these last few months, we as the church need our savior more than ever.

[@paulgmitter2553]

Thank you Rita for good mix of candor, vulnerability, holiness, a heart for God, and an increasing willingness to walk in agreement with Jesus by the Spirit.

[@AnaCC345]

Thank you so much for this powerful word. I’ve shared it with many friends. May each and every one of us return to the fear of the Lord. He is coming soon.

[@irwin641]

We should never refer to ourselves or leadership as being on ‘a stage’ we are not performers ……pride.

[@marybenoit6375]

Thank you for speaking to my life and showing me what the mercy of God is🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽