When Should You Start TRT/HRT? Sooner Than You Think!

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[@jamesbryant3627]

Started TRT at 50. Taken all the antidepressants over the years and been a heavy drinker. Quit drinking, dialed in the diet and started with pushups and walking. Started TRT and the sense of well being is better than I've felt in 25 years. No more drugs, working out and feel great.

[@bgoodorhell4u]

Good for you brother , I started two weeks ago, 100mg of im cyp per week , how long did it take you to notice improvements? Thanks .

[@reachyouteachyou4649]

Im 45 i wanna do it but im nervous about it

[@samjarea]

Have you found that TRT makes you sweat more and your body now runs at a higher temperature than before?

[@chadpennington4594]

Just about to start at 48. I do lift and live that life, I am at the point the well being is terrible. Hope I have that happen!! Congrats on the progress!!! Starting 175 a week, how are you now?? Any more benefits for you?

[@Pawanchib1914]

I am 42. If I take 25mg per week and blood test every 3 months. Are there any other aspects I need to look for side effects.

[@trtveteran6483]

TRT has saved my life. I was 30 with a Total T of 155, felt horrible no motivation and super depressed. Got on TRT dropped over 80 pounds and feel as good as I did in the Marines. Several links to low T in Veterans!

[@DaTryHardCamper]

Good to hear

[@mr.wicked8697]

Oh that’s funny I didn’t even see the name before I was gonna reply. I just saw a video you made. I’m a combat vet. 41 years old. Getting my blood work tomorrow but I already know exactly what’s been going on for awhile. Can’t wait for this summer battle.

[@kirsteentempleton2727]

Can u read my comment above pls Thanks 😆

[@TheGreatSanti]

I was in the marines too, 0311, deployed with 1/5 out of Pendleton. Been out a couple years now, just got tested yesterday cause I have symptoms of low test. At 25 my test levels are 298, hoping TRT can bring me back to life.

[@pearsonfisher4579]

I just started trt two weeks ago. I'm also thirty and had like a 118. It was super low. I felt terrible. Pretty much everything this dude described I felt. Fat and couldn't get in shape, low sex drive, no motivation, hate my job, problems w my gf. I kept saying something was wrong and low and behold, I found out what it was and will hopefully feel so much better in a few more weeks

[@riggs9688]

Great info from the doc! I started TRT at 24, I'm 38 now. Total test levels were sub 300ng/dl. TRT is life changing and I encourage both men and women to get their hormones checked and ditch the SSRI's and anti-depressants.

[@seanmcguire7974]

I know I need it. Not just from my mood, brain n libido, but from being prescribed to opiates for over 10 years. They r Try block your body from producing it

[@leftphilange69]

@@seanmcguire7974 you definitely are right. When I was on heroin/fentanyl I got my blood work back and my test was almost zero... they actually redid the test thinking it was a mistake. Unfortunately if you’ve been on opiates that long, you won’t be able to get all your natural test levels back most likely, especially if you’re on some sort of opiate replacement therapy like suboxone (or much worse if you’re on methadone). A starting dose of 100mg/week was enough to get my levels to the middle of the reference range and feeling much better.

[@ashleytaylor994]

How many times per week do you inject?

[@walkingsneese3431]

I'm 29 I've been having libido problems for the last 6/8 month I think its down to taking antidepressants for nearly 4 years when I was 20 not had morning wood for like 7 8 years to that also must of been down to the antidepressants

[@walkingsneese3431]

@@seanmcguire7974 how old are you?

[@ikon8275]

Ironically I'm 39 and I just started my first TRT cycle. Visceral fat, low libido, poor erections tired all the time, Moody. Extremely sensitive and emotional. There's only so much you can do naturally.I was lifting weights daily, eating extremely clean and doing everything I possibly could to minimize estrogen, my T levels were still like 300. I finally decided enough is enough. I want to see what it feels like to be an animal man with high testosterone for once. I've been on for a few months and my testosterone has already been tested at almost 500. I gained 200 points in 4 months. It continues to climb. I feel younger, stronger, better in bed. This stuff literally saved my life.

[@tinocontreras5105]

Mine was at 329. I am diabetic but its controlled. The docs all keep saying oh its diabetes cause its the easy thing to say. My sex drive is down, sluggish all the time and tired. I workout 2 hours a day cardio n weight training. Anyway I finally started on trt cypionate, I do 1ml every two weeks, how long did it take you to see a change were there any side effects.

[@bgoodorhell4u]

@@tinocontreras5105 you need to do it once every week or twice a week but at lower dose .

[@official1wae223]

@@tinocontreras5105 hey I am diabetic as well, did ur a1c dropped to normal levels once u started trt ?

[@tinocontreras5105]

@@official1wae223 my a1c was at 6.0 before I went on. So idk if it will drop below that. I am hoping it does

[@pureblood3813]

Any side effects? I’m hesitant just because of all the side effects. Hair loss, anger, acne

[@Derrick1762]

ALL VERY TRUE. I’m about to go back on TRT. No sex drive , tired all the time. Depressed. Gotta make a change. Quality of life to me is much more important

[@bobbylee9862]

Why did u get off?

[@cmax4488]

I am 33 and will be on TRT forever. I will also be on an occasional blast of different compounds at least into and through my 40's. Nothing too crazy, but this stuff is amazing. Love this lifestyle. I keep healthy and monitor health markers with a doctor and use the lowest effective doses to avoid the bad side effects.

[@nathanielovaughn2145]

Damn. 33 and on trt?! What happened ?

[@Osajunior90]

I'm 32 and will be on TRT forever too. One week in wish me luck

[@thewintersoldier383]

@@Osajunior90 how did you guys get started

[@xxx-do6il]

@@thewintersoldier383 go gym, find big guy, he will have all the staff, my country is 200 myr exchange to usd is usd 46

[@kiariowhippin]

@@thewintersoldier383 get your testosterone tested at the clinic

[@kimsinghrai]

TRT changed my life. At 39 I was at 130 ng/DL now it's 800 range. Feel alive again, I used to compete in Olympic lifting, now I am training again

[@curtharakaly4620]

Same here. Been on TRT for a year, 31 now, got on when I was 30 at 118 ng/DL. Was always told it was depression for years and tried every pill and holistic method I could, with never any long lasting change. Few weeks/months into TRT and I've had way more motivation to get back into the gym and just live life again. I'm thinking more clearly and not so tired all the time. I'm confident again have the drive I did 10 years ago. Suck I had to get on it at 30 years of age. But there is no way I could have lived another 40-50 years the way I was feeling. I was losing all friends and people around me because I just couldn't be me and do what it takes to maintain those relationships with them or even myself.

[@jeremydudley4332]

@@curtharakaly4620 I’m 31 and curious about trt, what was ur test before u got on trt and how did u score trt being young

[@kimsinghrai]

@@jeremydudley4332 brother search the symptoms if you're having any of them get your doctor to run a test they usually require two tests

[@curtharakaly4620]

@@jeremydudley4332 my test was 118 ng/DL

[@curtharakaly4620]

@@jeremydudley4332 I had all the signs of low testosterone which is no sex drive no energy I couldn't really think and was wondering why I was losing words at I shouldn't be just felt like shit and had depression for years

[@mumenrider862]

Im 52. Just got my T levels... 280. They still say "in normal range" (230 is the bottom). WTF.. they'll give T to a 12 year old girl who thinks she's a boy, but not a 52yo male to improve his life.

[@user-kg8bn6uy3x]

Just call a few different clinics...I bet before you reach 3 different ones..someone will treat you

[@CentralVAracer]

Find another Dr asap. A level of 230 definitely warrants the usage of test. You want to be up around 1000.

[@Galatians-vr8xd]

True, they'll encourage reprobate sexual behaviour, But won't give trt where it really matters!

[@SaltyRad]

Im 35 and I take TRT. I qualified for treatments for having low T. Changed my life around

[@kalruggs1719]

I’m 35, I barbell train 4 days a week and do GPP work twice a week. Don’t drink or smoke…Still had the symptoms, lethargic always felt like shit, depressed, anxious, took almost two years of lab work to finally get the nod for TRT, my numbers were 399. I’m a week in and already feel better.

[@illskill6]

update?

[@kalruggs1719]

@@illskill6 things are going really well, body comp as improved slightly, but recovery is much improved. Sex drive is back to what it was in 20s. Motivation is better, I start the police academy in January. I’ll be the oldest I’m sure. Don’t think I would have had the confidence to do this without TRT, it’s helped my anxiety and just overall drive

[@kalruggs1719]

@Gus I’m 9 months in or so and I feel great

[@kalruggs1719]

@Gus T Cyp 100mg/wk. it’s changed my life man.

[@flemutter7211]

Fk waiting for their nod, I’m getting on non methylated prohormones. They quick to give a Tran test tho.

[@designforlife704]

The sense of well-being with decent dose test is incredible. You don't realise how bad it is until you've been on test for 4 weeks. If I was told I would live to 85 but my last 20 years would be low mood, fatigue, weakness - or take TRT and you might live to 84 I'd live the 19 years feeling great

[@justgouds]

At 45 My libido was always high and my Test was at 380, now I’m 49 and my test is at 500 and my libido is about the same. I’ve never been on TRT. I think my test is a bit higher now because, I’m getting better sleep and more vitamin D. I feel fine and pretty muscular. Might wait a little longer before I consider TRT. So your test does not have to be super high to have libido and happiness. TRT can also go the wrong way for dudes and then they get worse. Also be sure to double check your Thyroid, that plays a big role in energy.

[@budgetking2591]

Im in the same boat, im 35, i never tested my my Test, but i feel like its higher then when i was 25, much healthier diet and sleep then when i was younger, my plan is to never get on TRT.

[@curtharakaly4620]

So you're a doctor I'm guessing? Just because it was that way for you doesn't mean it is that way for most people.

[@justgouds]

@@curtharakaly4620 I was simply posting my results simply to share my experience. I thought it was a forum for comments. What crawled up your ass?

[@harleykennedy7922]

@@justgouds he’s got low test xD

[@13Prometeus]

I had good libido and erection quality with T at 210... but I had less energy and the recovery after workouts was longer. But you also have to think in this way: If your T is low then your E2 gets also low. If this condition stays for a long time you risk osteoporosis and cardiovascular and neuro-degenerative problems. E2 to protect you from all of this. Therefore I would consider TRT above my 40s in any case. I’m convinced you will stay this way healthier through your 50s, 60s and beyond. Especially if you consider a good diet with a moderate workout combined with your TRT. This is really the golden triangle.

[@johnprice8655]

Love to reach this Doctor, I am 63 and having a little struggle with recovery after weight training. Worked out for 40 years non smoker and non drinker and always worked out .

[@sirdingmydong2107]

My levels were 294 when I got tested. I'm looking into getting on TRT. I'm 24 and I have the signs of low T. No morning wood, low sex drive, Erectile dysfunction, brain fog, depression, and I've have these issues since I was a kid. Now I found out recently that I have compression fractures in my spine which means my bone density is most likely bad. Going in for an MRI to figure out exactly what is going on with my spine. If my doctor won't cooperate, I'll just find another doctor, because I'm not living like this anymore

[@Vattem98]

and how its going now man? im also about going on trt cuz of low t and im feeling terrible

[@Jonathanaymond]

@@Vattem98you need to go for a run everyday. You dont need trt, you get on trt in your 20s, you are fucked

[@danielteixeira309]

My test level is 671 feel tired low libido depressed WY?

[@paynetrain2658]

Same age same situation. Any update brother??

[@Total_Body_Fitness_USA]

At 56 years of age I put off TRT for years only because my Total T averaged in the 740 to 800 range, BUT my Free T was very low in the 50 range. I figured I could take supplements to increase the Free T but no matter what I did it didn't budge so I finally stopped the suffering and started TRT. Best thing I could have ever done.

[@bgoodorhell4u]

How you doing now brother?

[@Total_Body_Fitness_USA]

@@bgoodorhell4u Doing much better. I just got blood work done today so will post my latest results tomorrow or Wednesday whenever I get the results back.

[@Total_Body_Fitness_USA]

@@bgoodorhell4u How about you? Are you on TRT? I started out with pellets but switched to daily subq injections so I could dial myself in faster as the first round of pellets was still a bit low. At least with daily injections I will have a more stable T level and prevent unwanted side effects like increased RBCs, hemoglobin, etc. At least that is what I am hoping for. I will know more when I get test results back in a couple of days. If anything needs adjusting I can do so with the injections and then test again in 3 weeks until I get dialed in. The pellets would have been a hit or miss and it could have taken months to get dialed in.

[@bgoodorhell4u]

@@Total_Body_Fitness_USA brother I started six weeks ago I am 100mg of cyp IM every week I have some progress waiting to be dialed in on a protocol .

[@Total_Body_Fitness_USA]

@@bgoodorhell4u IM weekly is okay, but from my experience it can cause peaks and valleys and increase DHT, estrogen, and RBC count, hemoglobin, and hematocrit. Some guys find that splitting the dose twice per week IM does better with less side effects. 100mg is not that much so you might not get side effects regardless. You will know more once you look at your labs. Good luck!

[@cooldude70-13]

The right time is not specific to numbers but symptoms. The numbers game is what most doctors do bc they don't understand a range is just an average of a total population

[@krane15]

Its two parts: 1) the medical industry ties their hands 2) they don't know any better so follow popular opinion that anything testosterone is evil.

[@demetriuscooksey7147]

I did everything I could to put off getting on TRT. Finally at 47 I decided to give it a shot (pun intended) a couple months ago. I'm already feeling a pretty big difference in my quality of life.

[@Magar6]

It's now 1 year after your comment. Do you regret it? ✌✌

[@demetriuscooksey7147]

@Magar6 no. The benefits become more apparent as time goes by. Getting a shot every week for the foreseeable future looks like a pain in the ass (pun intended) but you gotta do what you gotta do : )

[@10304KH]

I’m on TRT. TRT doesn’t directly fix high blood pressure or cholesterol issues. What it does is is it allows you to have the energy to get off the couch and exercise. If any of you have or had low energy or roller coaster energy due to low testosterone you fully understand not being motivated to get up and moving. It might not be everyday but it’s often enough to notice it. It sucks when you want to exercise, show up to work motivated, and play with your kids but your physical shot from lack of energy. When testosterone kicks in the energy comes back. It comes back in such away you begin to question if it’s real or just a placebo but then days pass, week pass and your like hell ya! You need to eat right to lose weight. Yes, testosterone will up your metabolism but if you eat like crap it’s not going to magically make you lose the pounds. I learned that. Testosterone compliments a healthy lifestyle really well. In return your blood pressure and cholesterol goes down. Regarding sexual function and libido. Not all guys ED or desire come back from Testosterone use. It’s not a cure all but it does help a lot of men. That truth can be heart breaking for a man. I’d recommend black maca on top of TRT if you are not seeing the desire resulting. I actually had to reduce my weekly Testosterone in take due to my libido being out of control. Sex addict level. It was crazy. I found out I’m sensitive to test. 100mg once a week puts my overall test level at 1500. That’s not normal. I started at 375 overall test before taking anything. I’ve actually dropped my testosterone down to 60mg a week and feel great. I’d suggest starting at 100mg split twice a week. No AI needed. After 2 months get blood work and see how you are doing. Ironically numbers don’t specifically matter. Is your symptoms resolved at a certain number and injection frequency? That’s what matters to you and TRT clinic. You go to a doctor and you testosterone is over 800 but symptoms are not resolved they will say too bad. TRT clinics will give you more testosterone in your protocol up to 200/250mg a week to resolve symptoms . That’s the government limit on TRT in US I believe. I know this is a long post but I think it’s important to put out the details of being on testosterone. You should really think about this lifelong commitment. Let me tell you, when you get dialed in and your symptoms are resolved and you feel young again, you are never coming off this stuff. It reinvigorates you. If it’s been years of feeling like crap and then this hits the right way it’s impossible to go back. Good luck with your journey.

[@moorshound3243]

Thank you for your advice.

[@mattmason4589]

Do you do 30mgs twice a week? Hows libido ,still takin maca?

[@10304KH]

@@mattmason4589 no. Just once a week, but I do recommend splitting it twice a week so you avoid possible roller coaster energy. I’m kind of a rare case doing 60mg once a week and feeling great all the time. I did move it up to 70mg last week. My libido is great. Not low and not completely out of control like it was on 200mg a week. It was worse than being a teenager and my desire was never satisfied. I don’t take maca at this time. It definitely worked for me when I was not on TRT. I don’t need to take it anymore. Maca is different however than TRT. It makes you really fantasize about sex. It makes you want sex but in a crazy way. TRT was more of, I can have sex at any moment multiple times a day.

[@Ban00]

@@10304KH why not just divide it by 3 and pin every other day

[@10304KH]

@@Ban00 yes you can do it that way as well. I’m actually back to two times a week. I think 3 a week is great but in my experience you get shot fatigue. Between the test and stomach shots of HCG The shots add up. But I do like the lower dose each time aspect of multiple shots a week. I think it’s more natural and would balance your hormones. I had a reason to do it once a week but that changed. I’m even taking more Test. I needed more estrogen. You do not want low estrogen. Whether that’s from taking an AI or taking too low of a dose. Gave me panic attacks when estrogen got too low. Anyway there’s various protocol and administering test. It’s a journey to find what’s best for you. What optimizes me might not work for you.

[@Colt-Forty5]

I developed a tumor on my testicle around age 1-2. Luckily it was benign but it had to be removed. My 1 good testicle did great until about 25-26 and then my levels tanked. Never did steroids or anything to cause my natural test to drop the way it did. TRT was my only option if I wanted to feel like a healthy man. Just turned 30 this month, I’m 5 years in and so happy I had doctors who were willing to help me. Living with low T is no way to life. Every man should get their levels checked regularly. Don’t suffer if you don’t have to!

[@danielteixeira309]

My total test is 671 but feel low energy and low libido depressed etc

[@stevesoutdoorworld4340]

I am 72 and inject 1/2 ml every week and i stay between 600 & 800 T level. I feel good with great sex drive. Your blood will thicken on TRT so you should donate blood to keep your blood thin. That's my 2 cents worth. Good luck and getter done!

[@JesusIsLord7773]

Wait noob here sir.. if you donate your blood then would there be TRT on your blood too?

[@clairvoyantbear664]

You should exhaust every alternate solution to low T before resorting to taking a drug for the rest of your life and depending on it

[@walkingsneese3431]

I'm 29 fit and healthy libido as gone really low last year going doctors soon I think its because I took antidepressants for 3 year when I was 21

[@Kaledrone]

@Cuss Blackstone Yes everyone is different, some rely on instant gratification, others don't. I agree.

[@germanrud9904]

People say "but then you have to take tesosterone for the rest of your life!" And im just like ya, sounds good to me lol

[@krane15]

True with any drug.

[@marvistadutch]

Strongly agree. Exhausting alternatives will look like too much work for many people. Once the TRT/HRT honeymoon is over, it's often too late to come off the supplements without a painful path. It's baffling to me how many fitness/strength podcasts allow for all this plugging of TRT/HRT rather than encouraging people to "do the work". Of course this type of Doc will tell you that TRT/HRT is a great way to go. For anyone not in their late 50s yet looking for a second opinion, talk to some friends who've done TRT/HRT for 7+ years and discuss whether they would they do the same knowing what they know now. For the vast majority of men, your older self will thank your younger self for making life style changes first and considering TRT/HRT as a last resort. This is not a scientific opinion but I've seen quite a few men around me, who had second thoughts a few years in and had a horrible time coming off test/h/gh (and in many cases a family to come along for the ride). Then making the healthier life style change they could have made in the first place.

[@nickr4837]

40 years old have absolutely no need or desire to get on The Needle (for life). Eating healthy fats, cut out processed breads &foods, work out, get some rest has worked for me. Still look 'Big Guy 4 You' when viewed by normal people (99.9% of humans). before you take a permanent step, try to fix your lifestyle first. youll probably live longer for it

[@JayCamel]

I NEEDED TRT at the age of 25, the Dr. Said I was too young to need it because I came in at 205ng/DL. Fought five years to find a Dr. Who would RX me TRT, I was skinny fat, 30yrs old and at 124ng/DL. I'm in my late 30's and top out right at 1,000ng/DL, and it looks like I lift, sex drive is there, and I regained my sexual and cognitive function.

[@seekunderstanding4280]

Testerone was at 205ng @25 yrs of age and the Dr didn't want to prescribe test???? Man that's fcked up. Your test was supposed to be at no less 800ng! 1) that Dr was a piece of 💩. 2) they're putting something in the food that Jack the hormones up!

[@pete8234]

Total test 20.7 Ng/DL with a range of 11-32 Free Test 336 pmol/l with a range of 260-740 Low normal free test but high normal or average total test. I have the symptoms

[@baccaratfitness2360]

This guy didn’t say what his lifestyle was that led him to put on fat. It seems like you’d first want to eliminate sugar, minimize carbs and try a ketogenic or carnivore diet. If you conquer your bad eating habits, sleep and exercise and you still feel foggy and tired then go ahead and try TRT. Otherwise it seems like you’re looking for a shortcut. Personally I’m 63 now and I’ve been a serious weight lifter for about 44 years. I was a wrestler before that for 6 years so I’ve always had the mental toughness and I never took steroids. I’m definitely more tired than I used to be and my joints hurt but I figure that’s just the deal. I have no issues sexually, and I still train a lot but I’ve learned how to hold back. I personally don’t like crutches. I also eat a predominately carnivore diet and nap every day. If you aren’t eating as well as you possibly can and doing everything else in your power then I’d say suck it up and do that first then if you’re still fatigued then have at it.

[@kevinsj99]

Keto and carnivore diets tend to tank test levels, more so on keto. Same story here, wrestled for years, now I focus on bodybuilding and powerlifting. Definitely not natural though. Good luck to you! Me personally, I have basically committed to life trt but also hormone optimization.

[@baccaratfitness2360]

@@kevinsj99 Thanks. As far as testosterone levels going down on a carnivore or ketogenic diet, Dr. Shawn Baker’s levels seemed to go down on a pure carnivore diet but he is also setting all kinds of strength records at the same time so it makes me wonder what the levels actually mean. He’s completely natural and is lean and strong and healthy. Good luck to you too.

[@rawirihemi27]

I completely agree with this, what was his lifestyle, how hard did he train, how long for, how much muscle mass did he have naturally. Do we really need to jab testosterone as you age, isn’t it just a part of life? I’m not against TRT, I just think what happens if your supply suddenly diminishes or you can’t take it anymore? Is your life suddenly over because your TRT supply stops?

[@newyorkforever5779]

carbs arent bad. being lazy is bad.

[@baccaratfitness2360]

@@newyorkforever5779 carbs can be bad too for people who eat too many of them. It’s called insulin resistance.

[@joenrs]

I wish we had doctors and clinics that think like that in Canada

[@krane15]

Doctors are puppets of the pharmaceutical industry. Only a very few can think independently.

[@cronix1314]

you are blessed that doctors don't think like that in canada

[@cronix1314]

@Gain Train being depandant on a substance to be normal is the worst thing you can do to yourself

[@scotland1380]

You do. Go check out more plates more dates channel. He is from Canada and has a clinic. If I could chose any clinic on the planet it would be his

[@Pest87]

Just gold. I think 80 percent of the men out there would experience some benefits from TRT. I started at the age of 30 with total t of above 500ng/dl and it has been lifechanging.

[@vg3353]

How long have you been on for? That’s what I started at too

[@Pest87]

@@vg3353 2 years now

[@vg3353]

@@Pest87 any regrets? I took my first shot Friday. Do you take an ai and HCG as well?

[@Pest87]

@@vg3353 you shouldnt take AI, it is harmful for your health even in small doses. If you inject at least twice weekly and not overdose you wont have e2 issues. I take HCG, but not everyone feels good on it. Testosterone should be started in isolation, once stable on a good dose you can try adding HCG. I have regrets that in the past I was very impatient towards my protocols and not giving them enough time to work. On every protocol change you need to keep things intact for 8 weeks to asses properly.

[@vg3353]

@@Pest87 thank you for that information I will stop taking the ai and inject 2x weekly instead. If I don’t take HCG right away will I loose fertility? I still want to have children (sooner than later)

[@Jimii89]

“Not functioning at work.” That one hit home for me. I memory goes to shit and I csnt focus. Test is a lifesaver for that.

[@MrVigilanti]

It's hilarious to hear a doctor say can I kick his ass lol

[@joegrow1273]

Levels were 430 at 27 and down to 320 by 30. Started TRT shortly after that second set of labs. No regrets.

[@Tejtd]

Would you have started at 27? Im at 457 at 28

[@joegrow1273]

@@Tejtd No i wish i could have waited longer to be honest. But it was clear my levels were heading south from an already low point and the effects of extreme low energy and a sever lack of drive started when i got into the low 300's. I wish i could have fixed them naturally for a little while longer. Its not cheap to be on TRT and you have to stick a needle in your leg a couple times a week for the rest of your life.

[@Tejtd]

@@joegrow1273 Gotcha, it really is for the rest of your life?

[@joegrow1273]

@@Tejtd if it was only temporary then it means you never needed it in the first place. You simply wanted to be on test .

[@jp05598]

@@joegrow1273 it doesn’t necessarily have to be for life. If you don’t see the benefits or just want to get off of it, you will return to baseline before you started (or a little less due to aging). My doctor said as much

[@zanetaylor3308]

I'm a 24 year old man, I work out almost every day, and I eat very well. I got my testosterone tested because I constantly feel like shit and have basically every single possible side effect from low T and I was right above 300ng/dl (naturally, I've never taken literally any type of steroid). I just started TRT 6 days ago, so wish me luck, I'm pretty nervous about starting with how young I am.

[@matthewpoon5402]

If you need it you need it, nothing to worry about. Your young so your lipids won’t be bad, just monitor blood and your going to feel like an animal. Just don’t stop working out, and you’ll want to be on the test with a healthy heart. So do lots of cardio. Eat healthy, watch LDL/HDL

[@mohamadrezasoltani9126]

10 days ago its means you on weak 2 tell me about the feeling and doses your doing. Im 21 and 390 test levels i want to get on it but I'm scared of side effects...

[@newyorkforever5779]

as long as you started it after doing what you could naturally to raise it you shouldn't worry. Now if you are overweight, dont lift, dont do cardio i dont see test as the answer.

[@michaelbarron1210]

update?

[@zanetaylor3308]

​@@michaelbarron1210 I feel WAY better. I just started also taking GAC-LIV vitamin shots, but even before that it was a complete change. I get up in the mornings better, I feel less depressed (I still have bad days, but they're VERY rare now (Literally 1 day since I started 6 weeks ago)) I'm more interested in having sexual partners, and I have more energy, I can't say there's much that hasn't improved. The only negative is my doctor is fairly confident that if I continue, I'll before infertile, at least without treatment to fix it. But at this point, with the positives I've received, even that seems like decent trade off for being "normal". In my "internet" (not real) research I've found that the infertility isn's permanent, but if you 100% want to have kids, it's something you need to seriously consider.

[@cacapoopoo2327]

I just became a Marek patient yesterday. Haven’t started treatment yet. Had a consultation. Next is blood test and urine sample tomorrow. Already had my physical. I’ll be meeting with Dr. Kyle Gillett soon enough. Pumped. I’m 37. Going to end up being an old dad because I foolishly wasters my 20’s, so I want to be able to have all of the necessary energy to bang out serious hours at work, have a healthy sex life with my wife, and be able to be a fully present father for my children. Pumped brothers! Pumped! Thanks for Ted pulling me on this subject!

[@LypCrate]

How is it going?

[@donnybeasley84]

I'm 42 and I feel like shit. Weight gain, depressed with NO MOTIVATION. This is probably the reason for my divorce several years ago. Finally took the plunge last week and saw the TRT doc. T level was 303 and my labs looked great. So, I started TRT. I cant wait to start feeling better. Thanks to videos like this Mark, I realize that it wasn't all in my head. Keep putting out great content, it's much appreciated.

[@stuart38]

Hear it.I have had symptoms since the early nineties.Got my appointment with The Men's Health Clinic on the 14th September in Dorset.I'll be having my checkup with Dr Felix Hay.This meeting is going to be the start of the rest of my life...Can't wait.It's going to be a hell of a Christmas..Wish me luck,boys.

[@whitewolf9547]

How’s it going guys? Updates?

[@vladanr74]

Update?

[@vikinginspace4881]

I’m 38 and have been on it 2 and a half years now and it has been life changing. No major depression anymore and I feel more stable and confident. I hope you get to feel better mate you should start to feel the benefits soon.

[@donnybeasley84]

@Gain Train I’m confused. Why is that funny? And who said anything about my wife leaving? We still have a great relationship and co-parent very well. We are in separate, amazing relationships now. So go ahead and take your stupid ass comments somewhere else.

[@DarkLinkAD]

This is like going to a Honda dealership and asking the car salesman if I need a new Honda

[@americanpatriot4470]

Trt gave me my life back like so many others are saying. I started when I was 24 and I was at 300ng/dcl. Im now at 850 - 950 ng/dcl at a year in and actually feel like the 25 year old I am. Love y’all’s content, keep spreading this life changing knowledge!

[@Jsammy_]

Hey man I’m in a similar boat, 24 at 280ng/dcl What was your thought process on the life long commitment having to pin for the rest of your life? That’s what it’s coming down to for me having a life long reliance for it.

[@americanpatriot4470]

@@Jsammy_ man it’s so worth it. It’s only once a week administration and it’s in the glute it’s no more pain than a slight pinch, the majority of the time I don’t even feel it. Honestly taking vitamins every single day is more of a discipline and feels more like a chore than the once a week shot. And the return on investment from it is worth. Can’t recommend enough brotha!

[@nathanielovaughn2145]

Scary that you were that young and got on trt. Did you have underlying issues or trauma that precipitated that?

[@americanpatriot4470]

@@nathanielovaughn2145 I had mono and then shortly after got Covid and also was lifting weights and running a lot and it was just the “perfect storm” on my body it was all too much for it to handle so suddenly, my immune system went to shit and my endocrine system did too I was in the bed for about a month before I recovered and then got on trt for my hormones and I’ve never felt better

[@samjarea]

Have you found that TRT makes you sweat more and your body now runs at a higher temperature than before?

[@puravida9302]

This guy says " if your testosterone is 700 and you say you don't feel good, we're going to do something about it." That's not good thinking. TRT will cause your natural testosterone to go way down and after a while, it won't come back up significantly. 700 is high. You could definitely have libido, muscle mass gain etc on 700.

[@ericlapointe4518]

I agree

[@TerrenceThomas]

Great piece. All solid info. He hit the nail on the head with controlling the aromatase inhibitors. There is a cost to keeping estrogen low and that is an imbalance in LDL/HDL ratio in favor of high LDL. This is one of the reasons we are seeing these young bodybuilders having heart attacks. It’s high doses of AI’s in an attempt to counteract the large doses to test in prep for a show. Again great stuff gentlemen. 🙌🏾

[@davidellis5964]

here in the UK we have the National Health Service (NHS) which employ top doctors and have cutting edge technology. The NHS advice on low testosterone is if you feel unwell and have low T then they might treat you. I have had low T for years and feel fine, go to the gym and have loads of energy and muscle. TRT in most cases isn't required its just a life style change that is required. remember TRT has to be monitored closely and its expensive, blood tests on a regular basis. It can give you high blood pressure, enlarged prostrate and other problems . These private companies that offer TRT are earning loads of money and most of the time TRT isn't required.

[@scotland1380]

You can do your own trt and get your blood work done for free at clinics. I agree though most people jump on far too quick or trash their own levels then jump on

[@AnssiEriksson]

This. It seems TRT in States is a whole other business compared to Europe. I've had testicular cancer and have lowish levels, but my docs, who are specialized to this exact area, won't even consider TRT without clear symptoms AND throughout testing. Then they MIGHT want to experiment for a few weeks with a gel while monitoring you like hawks. THEN and only then you might be on for a while if you really seemed to benefit from it. It's like a whole different world when you read about dudes here jumping just like that on protocols with double my values.

[@13Prometeus]

Sorry, but you don’t understand the topic properly... Good for you if you feel fine. But classical TRT, meaning a T dose which will put you in range, high but in range is absolut beneficial without any serious risks for 99.9% of the men. Every other med you have to take daily is potentially more dangerous: even Paracetamol or Ibuprofene... And it’s a life commitment: you don’t try it for a while, you stay on it for life coz you’re deficient. Ever heard of a diabetic who stoped with his insulin shots? A physiological dose of a bio equal hormone causes no harm to the body: quite the contrary: it enables your body to function properly.

[@davidellis5964]

@@13Prometeus I do understand that the T dose get you into normal levels which can be beneficial ? But what i was getting at is men jump on TRT, and most of the times it isn't required. Its a natural decline with age which is normal, Obviously if it gets really low and you feel unwell then TRT would be option but its expensive. If you have surplus expenditure then go for it.

[@scotland1380]

@Ze TheGame and regardless wether you get trt at a clinic or diy you are going to have to get pinned every week or less……

[@whoknows4006]

Good shit here. Love this Doc. & the woman hormones/menopause journey so under dicussed.

[@JoeMama-no2kl]

Trained natural my whole life, SAD diet. Went on hrt at 61 because of crushing fatigue after work outs. Doc said my total T was high but free T was low. Two months into hrt supplementation all I wanted to do chase tail, drink, and fight. However, fatigue did go away.

[@chrism796]

I’ve tested at the low end of normal for like 15 years or more and spent some time on TRT to see how it would help. It actually dropped my free test levels and my doc stopped Rx’ing to me. I’d like to get back on TRT but my doc (at the VA) won’t do it. He’s worried about the risk of strokes for a guy in his early 50’s and beyond. My chiropractor says 200-250 every 2 weeks shouldn’t hurt. He’s 62 and fit and a former body builder. Just don’t know what to do and I’m not paying out of pocket for the extortionist prices they want for test.

[@curtharakaly4620]

Well what was your dose and type of test you were on before, as well as your protocol? like 100mg of test c or e or d? and how often were injections?

[@13Prometeus]

125 mg Testosteron Cypionate or Enanthate per week is the way to go. Divide the dose in TWO shots per week. This will put your T somewhere around 800-1000 ng/dl. No aromatase inhibitors! After 3 months you can add HCG in to keep your balls and own T production going. It’s not a must: some feel better, some worse with HCG. No heart probs at this dose: if a doc is talking such a shit you know he don’t know. Change Doc!

[@chrism796]

@@curtharakaly4620 when I was still in the Army they had me on test patches and a cream. Don’t recall the dosage of either. They weren’t very effective and my endocrinologist stopped prescribing them to me. That was the end of that.

[@Relentless-546]

Marek health

[@mgk0586]

i'm in the VA too, im 36 and my test levels were 240 and they said that was fine so I just put myself on trt and i'm starting with 250mg a week until i get my next blood tests then i'll see where i'm at and adjust from there. VA normal ranges are slightly lower than normal docs use so they really have to be super tanked to even get them to consider it from my experience

[@mr.m1394]

I think most men would jump on Tr t if number one, you didn't have to inject yourself twice a week and travel with it. And number two, the cost was more relateable to normal people.

[@bruh-ni1fy]

Test isn't THAT expensive.

[@ericlapointe4518]

True, my program is 2400 every six months. But it's a good program.

[@erniealamia3870]

I'm 33 and have all these effects. Doc tried putting me on anti depressants. I told them I have low libido, no energy, tired all the time, fatigued, I'm slowly losing interest in lifting. Seems like they tell you you are fine and that's it. Test level was 590. They say I'm in range. Sure as hell don't feel like I'm 25.

[@slaytanic921]

590 might not be what you need. Find a new doc.

[@GUITARTIME2024]

My trt clinic wants guys closer to 900 or 1000. I use pellets.

[@justineandserena]

@@GUITARTIME2024 what exactly are pellets I heard every other day small intervals of testererone are best .. this way less Dht is produced an less estrogen

[@GUITARTIME2024]

@@justineandserena honestly, I had mixed results. I'm trying the injections soon to get a more even dosage.

[@justineandserena]

@@GUITARTIME2024 how often will you inject? I have to soon go for more tests to see if I need it, doctors in Canada suck .. I need to find natural clinic

[@wayneflynn8698]

I’m 40 and been really depressed/suicidal I got no energy tired all the time got no sex drive my memory is terrible, I’ve put on loads of body fat around my stomach no strength loss of muscle I am genuinely a mess and been waiting over a year for my hospital appointment to see a specialist after finding out I got low testosterone. Please guys anyone having the above issues please get your bloods tested I wouldn’t wish this on anyone

[@Osajunior90]

32 here and same issues. Hopped on TRT this week. I'm done feeling like shit and already feel better.

[@wayneflynn8698]

@@Osajunior90 that’s awesome I’m glad your seeing improvements in your well being already, I have just had my appointment moved forward to end of July so hoping it helps me to. Keep on fighting buddy us blokes are in this together.

[@Osajunior90]

@@wayneflynn8698 right on brother we're in this together.

[@AS-ng5pi]

Having a struggle. My doctor, who is my brother, says to avoid this like the plague. Have seen bad things happen to others on this. I guess it's risk vs reward. I am a cancer survivor and feel it aged me 10 years or more. Have tired heavy diet and exercise and time for sleep, nothing fixes the ages and pains.

[@easylistening1377]

So have you taken any testosterone? I just came off of throat cancer and feel tired and weak, was considering testosterone to come back

[@cooba5266]

TRT is like playing life on Easy / Casual Mode

[@wread1982]

This guy is awesome 🙌 he says it like it is 💪🏽

[@Sb631flex]

Doc I can attest I’m 46 been lifting my whole life and had a six pack up to 30. I was 417 total T and couldn’t get help from my GP. I was fat slow tired all the signs. I’m 6 wks on hrt and feel amazing. I highly recommend anyone reading this to call and get started. I take 200mgT/wk, HCG/daily and arimidex bid. I had tits,belly,love handles all of it. I tried weighing measuring food eating like a monk no booze no dirty food. None of that worked I even stopped cardio for about 6 mos. 6 wks on I am dropping fat gaining muscle and feel great. Do it if you can afford it people 👍🏻

[@Ban00]

Do your nuts still shrink on hcg

[@adamsuleiman5635]

how much it cost per year ?

[@Sb631flex]

@@Ban00 not with HCG no I do 2u/day no shrinkage

[@Sb631flex]

@@adamsuleiman5635 $6000

[@omega383]

The good doc is speaking some practical truth

[@krane15]

Too bad the other 98 % of the medical community is oblivious.

[@NaturalMeAmerica]

I wanted to start,but my PCP wants to do one shot of 200 cypionate month,I refused it. That is the worst possible way to do it

[@TheBatags]

Great video! I've been on TRT for almost 1 1/2 years and it has done wonders! I'm currently at 1600 test level no side effects, feel great!

[@tony12699]

What’s you dose to get them levels ?

[@kbkesq]

Did you go up to that level because lower did help? Curious thx!

[@stuart38]

You lucky bastard.....!!

[@cody6009]

1600 that's really high and sometimes not safe at all.

[@evancawley3236]

Hahah that's not TRT haha

[@jay1592]

What hormones would a woman get to improve her wellbeing? Testosterone also?

[@jmaaybraak]

Oh wow, I'm lovin' that doctor's attitude! I didn't stop laughing! "I think I could kick his ass if I had to." Holy shit, that's great! Keep doing what ur doing doc!

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

Doctors love to treat numbers. The problem is everyone is different. If your doctor doesn't ask you how you feel, find another doctor.

[@The_Better_Sleep_Channel]

I've had a lot of head trauma from boxing MMA and football when I was younger. I've gain 65 pounds over that last 10 years was always feeling like crap with no energy. I'm 38 with a test score of 191 get my TRT today or tomorrow whenever the mail guy gets here. I'm hopping it well help with the way I feel like it has for some people I know.

[@The_Better_Sleep_Channel]

@@trembling3674 I do feel a lot better still not like I was but better thanks for asking. Been 3 months since I got my TRT and numbers are looking good. Doc want's to put me on a estrogen blocker to help out too. Blood did get a little thicker but nothing to worry about yet only 1.7% higher.

[@The_Better_Sleep_Channel]

@@trembling3674 100% get it checked out and yes Vit D3 helps I also take 50000iu of D3 a week with 4 grams of Omega 3 daily. I'm type 2 diabetic too so I have a lot of things to change. But my A1C is only 5.9 with low meds so it's getting better and losing weight helps.

[@startingtech3900]

U are deadly low. Get on trt

[@Celtic_Iron]

This will be controversial but needs to be said. If you are about to become a bodybuilder and compete. Not just use steroids. Then the reality is you'll be on stage multiple times per year and constantly on off on off on off. There is absolutely no benefit to being off tanking your test then within 5/6 weeks being back on. Go on TRT 150 mg a week between cycles and work with your doctor throughout. Outside of bodybuilding you can cycle on and off perfectly fine.

[@mccabenosnevets]

I have several heart surgeries and now have a cow valve and defibrillator, so TRT scares me with the warnings about heart health. Anybody have experience with this ?

[@michaelchavez5127]

Todo eso que comentan hacerca del corazon es por la razón que tu colesterol puede subir y tambien tus globulos rojos pero eso tiene solucion, lo del colesterol lo controlas con omega 3 diario y lo de los globulos rojos se controla donando sangre,pero esto solo te pasaria si te pusieras mucha testosterona a la semana, con 125 mg por semana todo estara bien 👍

[@Andrew-tl9gk]

Dude you should ask a doctor, not the experience of random kids in the comments section of a KZbin video

[@MaestroOfficial]

The funny thing about this topic is, people usualy say oh ur too young to be on TRT, u should be at least 35 etc and then when u ask people in their 30s whats their regret they say "not starting trt earlier" 😂😂😂😂

[@seanmcguire7974]

Testosterone should be alot easier to get than it is.

[@LynchM0b1991]

It's pretty damn easy man

[@seanmcguire7974]

@@LynchM0b1991 yes you're right. That was an ignorant statement

[@209esov6]

It is easy it's not a sarcastic or ignorant statement.Today you have dozens of TRT clinics today,its not like it used to be where your primary doctor thinks your test levels are fine at 200ng lol and when you mention testosterone they think it's not healthy they aren't verse on trt today.

[@ld1065]

@@209esov6 in my european country you need to be under 8nmol/L to get trt legit or if you're a transgender then it's not a problem lol.

[@nattyforlife8393]

My T level was 580, but free was 8.2. I have elevated immuni globulins liver count. Also my shbg is 82. My doc refuses to consider trt

[@tedp9945]

Just started trt yesterday Really excited on this new journey!

[@mikeharryhunt1709]

What do u have to do to get on it. Can your primary care doctor put u on it or do u have to go to ah special doc?

[@tedp9945]

@@mikeharryhunt1709 look up trt nation They have been great

[@mikeharryhunt1709]

@@tedp9945 I just looked at the website. So is everything done through tele visits on the phone? I looked at the enrollment part of the website and I have to chose the state u live in and when I click on it, my state isn't available so I'm assuming that maybe it's not allowed in my state or something?

[@tedp9945]

@@mikeharryhunt1709 Yeah you need to call them up. My state wasn't on their either. But they still covered me.

[@mikeharryhunt1709]

@@tedp9945 ok. I definitely am just gotta wait until I have the extra money.. that's awesome if they just do everything through those tela medicine zoom type calls..

[@M.F.Gamesta]

Thanks for getting the word out on this. Dr. Wittmer is explaining the exact thing I went through with his story at the 11 min mark. Your GP sees just total T and says you're ok. I got a referral to a good urologist from a doctor friend and my Free T was in the single digits. It took a couple of months to dial in the Jatenzo, but I too lost several inches in my waist in a few months doing my same workout routine. It was a life changer.

[@stellabryan]

I was on for for two years 40 mg eod or 50 mgs 3 times a week. Also hcg 400 iu twice a week, Was fine but after 10 months starting getting cystic acne . It really screwed my shit up . Got stronger than I was naturally obviously , and my bench went from 320 to 405 . But couldn’t stand the shitty acne so stopped 3-1/2 months ago , strength is down from where it was , but feel fine no depression, I was feeling shitty that’s why I went on to begin with , But now after getting off I don’t feel like I did a few years back . Idk, I know since getting off my deep sleep is way , way better . I track with my watch and it’s night and day difference from being on trt hurt my sleep . I’ll be 37 end of the year .

[@krane15]

First, 37 is too young. And second, why did you stop? Did it occur to you that you could titrate? That's the whole point of having this prescribe through a medical practitioner.

[@lubas88pl]

Acne is pretty common while on TRT. You have to control your estrogen. Estrogen is what probably causing the acne. I would recommend Aromasin 12.5mg twice a week. But you should start with getting the blood work done beforehand. Watch your diet too. Stuff like sugar, lactose and deep fried food can effect your skin.

[@iNoXpLodE]

@Gain Train 12.5 twice a week😂😂

[@mab1ism]

@@iNoXpLodE is aromasin similar to anastrozole?

[@nasostsounis4279]

Take reducar pills for acne!

[@enriquecastillo3599]

Amazing episode!!! Great info 🦾😎

[@VanguardSound7]

So.... this info is specific to bro-nem who were "enhanced" at sometime in their lifting careers, correct? Because I am 3 weeks away from 49. I started lifting in early 2016 at age 43. My test was low due to bad diet, lack, of rest, and everything else that comes with being an internationally touring DJ/Producer. Almost 6 years later, I've maxed my genetic limits, am more fit, lean, jacked, and stronger than I was at 18. And my test is a high as it was in my 20s. (crazy morning wood daily) It sucks that some dudes have to take TRT. But it seems to me that all but a very small percentage who would have gametically needed it anyway, induced an artificial "andropause" on themselves with the gear. No judging. To each his own. Just offering a different perspective.

[@StraitjacketFitness]

#Facts

[@travissimpson7829]

Im 39 and tested 230-250. I lift, eat fairly healthy, but i cant get enough sleep despite cpap treatment. Im so on the fence if i should start the trt my doctors prescribed. Should i do it?

[@psychicbrian1436]

Guys, If you are going to talk about TRT, please have an MD on the show. Dr.Wittmer is a chiropractor. Thanks

[@DrewPWebos]

😬🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@aidanchiu]

y'all need to optimise your lifestyle first before hoping on TRT. ie Sleep, nutrition, training. If all of those are optimised and levels are still low then you can choose to hop on. Like sure you can have suboptimal levels due to bad lifestyle and then hop on TRT to get jacked. However you don't want your limiting factor to be your lifestyle, you want it to be the TRT dosage.

[@6skw]

Who cares bro it doesn’t effect you. If it makes there life better and that’s the way they wanna do it why does it matter to you. Just saying with due respect

[@aidanchiu]

@@6skw of course I agree 100% with what you said.

[@hob976]

Where do I get t-shirts like these dudes are wearing? My Walmart shirts don't look that sharp..

[@trumpnation623]

Lol!!!

[@Abdulrahman-ht2xb]

It's not the shirts at all it's the muscles

[@donmarek4460]

Very well done. Thanks for the great info.

[@pq9254]

Great info. I started at 37. My test levels were 640 but my mental fog and libido was bad. My trt gave me 200mg a week and now I’m sitting at 1425 after 3.5 days of injecting. The best overall benefit is my drive and determination . I feel like I accomplish so much more now. My work life has been so much more productive. I’m happy I started at my age.

[@Football__Junkie]

I’m 37 and I’ve been wanting to start TRT. I feel tired all the time. I have the brain fog. Lack of motivation. Etc

[@tommcgivern8020]

@@Football__Junkie find a good doctor bro. I know how you feel

[@andrewharris3417]

That sounds like a cycle if your test levels are that high.

[@pq9254]

@@Football__Junkie I was not in the best condition when I first started. I actually lost about 100 lbs before I got on trt. I wanted to eliminate any other issue before committing to lifelong trt. Check out everything. If you can fix something prior to trt , try it. Get blood work.

[@pq9254]

@@andrewharris3417 lol, did you not watch the video smh

[@Mral236d]

I started trt when I was 8 years old and I couldn’t be happier. I’m 28 now, I bang at least 6 women a week and I’m 7 feet tall. I used to need 8 hours of sleep but now I only need 30 mins. If you aren’t on trt yet then you are messing up.

[@OverStokedOutdoors]

Just sent Doc a message through the website. Great episode and info.

[@CagedSUPERMAN]

I must be a freak then. Because my test has always been around 900. Recently it’s still high 700’s and I’m 40. But my lower number definitely is affecting me. Tired all the time. Friend of mine wants me to go to an age therapy dr. But I just can’t see doing it just yet.

[@RJon2006]

I’m 34, just started. Been on an SSRI for years. My T levels are 323 ng/dl. Estradiol is was low. My hormones were out of whack. I’m one week in on TRT. I’ll see how it goes but it seems to be one the major issues I’ve dealt with.

[@a.i.reviews121]

I'm the same age as you and just found out this week my t/levels are 175 ng/dl... Wish I bit the bullet sooner and got it checked out. Docs are still reluctant to do anything

[@RJon2006]

@@a.i.reviews121 I went to a clinic. It’s more expensive buts it’s the only way to get people to help me with my low T.

[@jglenn15]

Thing is your T levels are in the normal range. 250, 300 depending on the choice of Dr, to 1100 ng/dl Your body will quit making it's own testosterone and you'll be forever a TRT patient just like me. And believe me the novelty wears out quickly

[@seekunderstanding4280]

@@jglenn15 200ng - 300 ng of testosterone is low. Elderly men back in the 1950's and 1960's had the same amount of testosterone as of today's athletes. The powers that be are emasculating us and poisoning the food we eat. Now you have men in their 20's getting prescriptions for fuckin Viagra...WTF!!!!!!

[@chad.choate]

Tony what’s your protocol on Melanotan, I’m very fair skinned, would love to increase sensitivity to sun and tan rather than just get bright red! Thanks I’m advance!

[@magnusdanielsson2749]

I really wish this could be done in Sweden. Its too bad these kind of treatment arent legal here

[@dustinvonsoosten9539]

What???!!!

[@moorshound3243]

A women's government?

[@davidcoleman730]

I’m 38, going to be 39 in July. I’m tired all the time, depressed, low sex drive and it take forever to recover after lifting. I’m just scared of heart issues, colon issues because my Dad passed from Colon cancer and hair loss. Idk if it’s worth it or not

[@cosmicninja6924]

Once you're on this stuff, you're on it for life. No thanks.

[@moorshound3243]

I'm with you. But, if your life is shit & you feel shit & you just cannot carry on then maybe it is worth a punt.

[@ronaldthomas5307]

Facts

[@MonsterChuck]

So I tried to relay this information to me PCP but tested at 430. He disregarded and stated it was normal range. I don't feel normal though. What are my options for remote testing and treatment?

[@jigginjohnson2893]

Daily TRT is the way to go. I micro-dose daily and it’s a game change from the 1-2x per week protocol.

[@4funner66]

It def is a good option, depending on your shbg number. I'm a m/w/f guy myself. Keeps things nice and happy

[@davidlongoria2255]

Damn stabbing yourself that many times tho??

[@4funner66]

@@davidlongoria2255 27g x 1/2" insulin pin to the delts. Literally cannot even feel it.

[@davidlongoria2255]

@@4funner66 this seems like the way to go. What doctor are you using or how can I learn more?

[@jigginjohnson2893]

@@davidlongoria2255 completely painless. Takes less than a minute.

[@buffseven]

Sounds all good and dandy but what are some of these peoples Red blood cell count. that's the million dollar question because most doctors will see your red blood cell count go though the roof and will take you off TRT right away. if your going to get on TRT make sure your doctor runs a complete test on your blood because some people have other things wrong with them and should not be on TRT because many people report heart problems while be on it.

[@enantiomer2000]

Agreed. I am 43 and miss the way I felt when I was 23.. or even 33! My free testosterone is 4.7ng/dl which is almost below range. I plan on starting TRT very soon. Just trying to see if I can get a regular prescription vs the more expensive TRT Clinic route...

[@TDR85]

Have you started?

[@enantiomer2000]

@@TDR85 started 5 weeks ago. So far it is really great. 80mg twice per week. Couldn't get regular prescription so went through TRT Nation.

[@TDR85]

@@enantiomer2000 my level came back 286. I'm 43, active in shape, but dragging.

[@enantiomer2000]

@@TDR85 you would probably benefit from it. At that level just about any doctor should be willing to prescribe for you

[@TDR85]

@@enantiomer2000 Thanks, man. I hope it works out great for you

[@Sc00terNut]

About to start TRT at age 38. Tired of fluctuating T levels, depression, and brain fog.

[@kh-wg9bt]

This doesn't surprise me.. The modern man lifestyle doesn't allow healthy test. Poor food, poor sleep, high stress, not enough activity. Even in people like me who exercise and try to eat well. Working 50 hours a week in a stressful sedentary job, even the healthy modern foods probably are over domesticated and nutritionally diluted.

[@Mr_Magpie_]

Well said

[@germanrud9904]

Yup, im 28, got on TRT, changed my life. We deserve this.

[@sorinswonderland]

Anyone know how to get your prescriptions from the doctor, that i do have medical needs for, so that can just fill them through goodrx at the cheapest costs? I'd rather pay 20$ for my trt, then 400$+ every 10 weeks with other clinics.

[@mplslawnguy3389]

No TRT is not like blasting, but it is not natural either. I would always lean towards natural ways to stay healthy, but you can't deny the benefits that come with TRT. It does not come without risks though. I would talk to your actual doctor about it first, get a physical and go from there. This isn't a decision to take lightly. In a nutshell, the TRT clinic would not be my first stop for advice, nor would watching videos like these. Stick to non-biased, professional opinion.

[@David-DB1993]

Best for low T men young and old. With the doc on the background ofcourse.

[@ld1065]

Trt clinics have doctors and will most likely advise other ways of increasing test before the steroid option.

[@krane15]

No drugs are natural.

[@krane15]

@@ToddTommow You ever read legal documents and notice how long and complex they are they are in wording? My abbreviation takes for granted that its already understood that I was referring to pharmaceuticals. Anyway, if it makes you feel better, I admit that you are technically correct.

[@slapnutz1]

Outstanding post.

[@valkarcy]

Im 25, i started 6 weeks ago 140mg/wk. Was sub 300 the last two years. It feels so much better. I feel like a true young man!

[@claybutler]

Hearing guys more and more in their 20s and 30s not being able to cope with the slight slow down that naturally happens and run straight to the drugs is really sad. I'm 55 years old. I surf every day for 2 hours. I supplement with resistance training 4 days a week. Am I as resilient as when I was 20? Of course not. But I'm pretty damn close. And that's probably because I didn't abuse my body when I was young and I stayed on point with my diet and lifestyle. This guy obviously took performance enhancing drugs when he was young because he was impatient about his growth. Then he let himself go. And then he turned to drugs again to solve his problem. Which is his choice but now he seems to be projecting. Without really considering his role in his own decline. If you're in your 30s and thinking about TRT you should first get your house in order and optimize your lifestyle. And then see what's left. It's just kind of nuts to see people that aren't even old enough to know what it's like to be old, acting like their bodies falling apart because of some vague feeling that they're just not the same as when they were 18. No shit Sherlock!

[@KomonAthlete]

seems like you only heard what you wanted to hear.

[@claybutler]

@@KomonAthlete l listened to it all. He let himself go. Got fat. Used drugs when young. Now back on drugs. Mr shortcut. And still looks 15 years older than his age. But hey I totally get it if you're already pretty darn old. Who knows how long you have to live so I get totally shutting down your testicles and switching to exogenous testosterone. But it's so crazy when I see guys in their twenties feeling they need hormone replacement therapy. But then you look at their diet and lifestyle and they're doing quite a few things wrong. They eat too little fat, they're way too lean, basically they're creating a situation where they're tanking their own hormone production and robbing themselves of the calories they need to function properly. That's why I say do everything right first then find out what's left. Because that's the only way you'll really know where you stand. It's the same thing with lifting. If you haven't put 5 years of full dedication in the gym you have no idea what your potential is. But now we have so many guys that lift for 6 months and they wonder why they're not jacked like dudes on Instagram, and then they go straight to the drugs. Then they essentially chemically castrate themselves and need to be on the juice the rest of their life while their arteries hardened, the liver gets fucked up and then they die young. But they'll have a six pack! Which no one fucking cares about it all. No one gives a shit about your big muscles. That's what's really tragic is the investment in this outward appearance that really nobody cares about. I see the same thing in surfing. It's not as common as it used to be but in the 80s there were so many groms investing so much of their identity in being a ripper. And then they quickly find out that after about age 22 literally nobody gives a shit if you can surf. It has no cache in the real world. And many of them would turn to drugs to numb themselves from the disappointment of investing so much of their identity in something that doesn't matter.

[@sephrider]

Could not agree more. I was fat when I was younger. Brain fog, no drive in life, everything was hard and I always had aches and pains. I am now 37 years old, exercise a lot, meditate, do cold showers every day, and eat paleo. I have a ton of energy and feel the opposite of what I did 5 years ago. If I had known about Trt 5 years ago I would probably have tried it. So glad I didn't know about it and made all the necessary lifestyle and diet changes on my own. Now, if I suddenly at 40 felt horrible while eating and living clean I would consider Trt. But don't make drugs your first choice!

[@Richiefitness]

@@ChrisPuckett says the guy that looks like a weakling

[@mrdgt1490]

Agreed..natural methods for restoring low test are always better for the majority of guys. The average Joe generally makes poor lifestyle and diet choices from an early age then wants a quick fix when things go wrong. We are genetically engineered to age and part of that process includes a decline in testosterone.

[@dweber503]

For the last couple years, doctor won't prescribe me testosterone, saying it's in the normal range and insurance won't cover. My total T is 274 ng/l and I'm 30 years old workong out 5 days a week. Always tired, low sex drive, mood swings etc. Hoping I can get on it soon.

[@rawirihemi27]

Is it practical though, to have to use TRT as you age? Let’s take away TRT suddenly, after you rely on it to feel better, is your life suddenly fcked based on not jabbing a needle anymore?

[@PhiyackYuh]

Well if thats where you get your self identity and self confidence then you are basically screwed. Thats like no confidence when not taking gears. These guys sitting will have zero self worthy without the gear for the most part.

[@biglou80]

LOL... this is a terrible comment... where does your line of thinking end?? Should we take insulin away from diabetics? How about hypertension and statins? How about we take away glasses? I mean, you rely on those to feel better and your life is "suddenly fcked" based on not having those things... People tend to forget that in the early 20th century before these compounds were around the average life span was 48 for men and 54 for women....

[@rawirihemi27]

@@biglou80 I disagree, I think glasses , insulin and the rest of your comparisons cannot be compared here, in particular insulin. TRT is basically sold as when you reach a certain age you will need to take testosterone, I’m not against people doing it, but I think it’s breeding a culture of “you will have to do this at this age because that’s just the way it is”. Then it creates a culture or stigma around not doing it. Some men will simply not have to do it, some men will think they have to do it. I think there is a difference to needing to do it and thinking you have to do it. It’s also a combination of a lot of lifestyle factors up to that point. The old guy talking basically said he used PEDs in the 80s and 90s, this would of impacted on his natural production for the rest of his life, you don’t just sit on a toilet and get fat overnight. Now his mindset is, people at this age will need to do TRT because this is how it was for me - taking no consideration in of lifestyle and genetics.

[@biglou80]

@@rawirihemi27 it has nothing to do with reaching a certain "age"... every comment you make is just a testament to how little you actually know about the science and how your perception is colored by your own personal biases. Google "andropause" and tell me how that's different from being diabetic and taking insulin??? And, btw, insulin may actually be a much more potent hormone than testosterone. This has nothing to do with age and everything to do with objective blood work and ranges...

[@rawirihemi27]

@@biglou80 you must be a TRT user lol. No personal bias here, just an opinion. Saying insulin ‘May’ be a much more potent drug is pointless, it is relative to the need of who needs it. The need for insulin by diabetics is a necessity, if they don’t take it, they die. The need for TRT is not a need, it’s a privilege. You do not need to take TRT, but people with lower test levels may live an increased quality of life. Yes as you age, your hormonal profile tends to decrease (Testosterone, et al), hence the apparent need for TRT for a ‘better quality of life’. My issue is people jumping on the TRT bandwagon at the slight mention of it, health centres are making a lot of money off peoples insecurities. I have trained for 17 years, I am 35 and the ‘science’ and basic human biology denotes that my test levels are now decreasing. This is a part of life, this does not mean I ‘need’ TRT now, in 10 years, or in 20. Anyone I have ever meet with low test levels ‘sooner’ in life have either used PEDs previously or have a below average lifestyle of activity, diet and mentality. You could take TRT away from Joe Rogan and he would lose half of his identity. Google “humans age or they are dead”, look at the blood work for that. You can google whatever you want, there will be a counter argument or data against it in some way, shape or form. Andropause is a decline or sense of well being in testosterone levels in older man. You said age has nothing to do with it?

[@institorisinstitoris959]

My total testosterone is 402 and free T is 18,6 pg/mL ... and I don't know if I should do something about it. I'm 37yo

[@chevyblock550]

I'm 21. My total T is 332ng/dl. My diet is very clean besides an occasional taco bell run. I lift every day. I also compete in martial arts. I got laughed out of an endocrinologist office. I don't have the money to afford TRT unless I go UGL or can get it covered by insurance. I am concerned about fertility being an issue on test. What do I do? Need some help here.

[@Vattem98]

and what u finally did man? i got also the same problem

[@chevyblock550]

@Vattem I made this comment awhile ago but I'm starting TRT in June. I'm working now and have some income to afford it and I'm getting a little family discount from a clinic.

[@kyjelly5524]

I’m 39. I went to a clinic. Free test is 437 and shbg is 219. My insurance won’t cover it. The clinic. Said I’m qualified because of my symptoms. Lack of sex drive and motivation. Weight gain, memory loss. Should I pay for it myself? They said they would put my levels between 700-900. Does this sound legit? The place is in Reno nv. It’s called ageless mens health. I ham do 2 shots a week if I don’t want his and lows or 1 a week if I’m busy or whatnot. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[@Just_A_Gun_Guy]

I'm 27 and just started it. My levels were at 180... that's crazy.

[@jaaaadn]

27 is very young, did you hear the first part of the video, skinny-fat guys coming up wanting quick gains.. pick up a barbell first, get better sleep and nutrition before you make a LIFE LONG commitment to TRT. Just saying be careful out there.

[@pierregibran1]

I'd like to know what were the test levels the Doc had when he started TRT

[@bigpasty1582]

Unfortunately I started my trt and had some crazy side affects like sleep apnea, enlarged prostate and decreased nostril size. I gained over 50 pounds in the first 8 months with most of it happening in a 1 month span. Thankfully I got a cpap and found a few helpful supplements and I'm down 40 pounds in 6 months and feeling great!

[@learnhowtopromoteonsocialmedia]

What supplements do u take?

[@rugdoc97]

How much did you eat lmao steroids don't just make you gain 50 pounds lol unless it's fat

[@austinduncan36]

Still on TRT ??

[@bigpasty1582]

@@learnhowtopromoteonsocialmedia I use tongkat ali 5 days a week and maca root

[@bigpasty1582]

@@austinduncan36 yes. 400mg every 2 weeks injection

[@KCLwashere]

Im 32. Worked out for 10 years. I dont skip workouts. Sex drive is good, not excellent but good. Morning woods came back since supplementing DHEA. Depression, Low Energy, Sleep/Recovery is what im concerned about. Ive been taking Tong Kat Ali for 1 year but the effects have worn off now. My test on Tong was 527. Got 2 tests After/Off Tong and its 329 and 322. BUT My Free Test is Normal/Average. So i need help deciding if i need to get on. Its NOT only about the Numbers. I want to be Smart about it. Please, Advice anyone.

[@spaceage7076]

3 grown men with baseball caps on indoors and two bald dudes. Does this shit make you go bald?

[@scotland1380]

Yes everything comes with a price

[@ozkan38]

most of the typical roided up fellas are hairless. very few have a full head of hair 🤷‍♂️

[@aaronwylie6928]

It accelerates/increases hair loss in those already susceptible (due to increased formation of DHT). Not everyone goes bald (look at Arnold, Jay Cutler etc.) but yeah quite common

[@justineandserena]

I’m 43 and at 500-530 ng total test.: and free test 316 nmol/l or 9 Ng or 90 pg/ml Not sure if I will start trt.. or what to do… I’m confused