When Subaru Put a “Jet Engine” In Their Exhaust | Rocket Anti-Lag Explained!

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@darrenjames883
@darrenjames883 Жыл бұрын
I just stumbled across this video, and was extremely pleased to see you cover a system I worked on during my SWRT days. I was the designer on this system, that was invented, developed brought to competition by Roland Broadbent. All the drawings from the patent you used were done by me. Some additional points: 1. No ignition system was used because the rules didn’t allow for a secondary ignition source after the engine spark plugs. 2. The idea came from a diesel French tank in the 1960’s that had what’s called a hyper charger, but that had its own ignition system. 3. Combustion in the chamber was initiated by the plate on the end of probe in the centre of the chamber, that flowed cherry red due to the hot exhaust gases coming from the engine. This plate restricted flow and reduced the top power of the engine. This later evolved to annular ring that was less restrictive to the flow through the chamber. 4. The boost tank used by Ford was illegal, but passed scrutineering when discovered. SWRT went the next rally with a bear barrel doing the same job. After that boost chambers on all cars were outlawed. 5. Different ALS systems were used on customer WRC cars. 6. A road car version was developed for STi by Prodrive, but never went to production due to cost and long term durability.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
First off, what an amazing piece of engineering developed by you and your team! I'm absolutely honored that you would take the time to comment here and I hope I've done the system some justice! All of those additional points are much appreciated. I did my best to reason through the system's operation using the text in the patent, but I figured there would be some finer details that I may not have gotten 100% correct. A couple of questions for you: 1. Would you mind if I "pin" this comment to the top of the comments section so that others can easily find it? 2. Is there a good place I may be able to get in contact with you? Completely ok if not, but I thoroughly enjoy learning about motorsport engineering and would love to speak with you further on these kinds of subjects. If you don't want to share that info in a comment, my email is themotorsportstory@gmail.com Again, thank you so much for the comment!
@darrenjames883
@darrenjames883 Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory you did a great job of explaining a complex system. Happy for you to pin my comment. I’ll email you later. Cheers Darren
@boblabla4756
@boblabla4756 Жыл бұрын
This is the best of what can come the comment sections.
@jonathanwright5550
@jonathanwright5550 Жыл бұрын
Did it draw inspiration from a pulse jet?
@Skystrike1535
@Skystrike1535 Жыл бұрын
Very curious what this hyper charger system you mentioned was like. Looking it up just kept giving me fast chargers for electronics or what is basically a ram air intake for motorcycles, no mention of cold war french tanks.
@Ferrari255GTO
@Ferrari255GTO Жыл бұрын
It's dissapointong how many of theese cool racecar features get forgotten in time while people make up stuff about what's that thing they're seeing rather than investigating it. Thanks for bringing us such great and interesting content!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you watching! It can be hard to dig up information on systems like this, but I do my best to find what I can and hopefully make some sense out of it.
@mattcintron6372
@mattcintron6372 Жыл бұрын
And that is why we have extremely underrated channels like this one😭
@crankybear1236
@crankybear1236 Жыл бұрын
I have even heard some of these cars having water cooled brake calipers😮!
@phr3ui559
@phr3ui559 Жыл бұрын
yea
@Ferrari255GTO
@Ferrari255GTO Жыл бұрын
@@crankybear1236 i think that the idea came from trucks or something like that, not sure though
@effervescentrelief
@effervescentrelief Жыл бұрын
It's literally the combustion section of a jet engine. People build jet engines using junkyard turbos and this is very similar to the combustion section of those engines. Awesome concept.
@MrLukas2411
@MrLukas2411 Жыл бұрын
yep..that is right!
@JohnKickboxing
@JohnKickboxing Жыл бұрын
Hey, anyone here can tell we can replace the conventional anti-lag system with jet engine on a car or this idea is not practical?? ... Since the Subaru's rocket anti lag system is basically based on jet engine principle which supplies smooth and continuous turbulence for the spooling process.
@rhubarbpie2027
@rhubarbpie2027 Жыл бұрын
This is nuts, the designers used what's called a can style combustion chamber on jet engines (albeit slightly changed) and fused the design with a resonator, and made an anti-lag system. Genius!
@FnjordKnot
@FnjordKnot Жыл бұрын
can you elaborate on that last bit? what exactly is the resonator resonating, and resonating with? my best guess is the combustion rings.
@MultiHunterOne
@MultiHunterOne Жыл бұрын
For anyone who worked in any capacity with turbine engines the rocket closely resembles a combustion chamber, with the most notable difference being the lack of fuel injector and instead an intake of fuel rich exhaust, which serves pretty much the same purpose of delivering fuel for combustion. The inner and outer tube design with holes are almost identical to what a turbine engine combustion chamber would have, except for the tube which is routed to the middle. It's very cool to see they pretty much made a jet engine in the exhaust.
@benjaminshropshire2900
@benjaminshropshire2900 Жыл бұрын
What I kinda wonder is why they didn't go all the way and put a fuel injector into the can? That should (in theory) allow keeping the turbo at full boost at any engine speed all the way down to zero. You might even be able to (once you get the turbo running) get enough boots to air start the engine! My guess is that either the rule book already bans that (boring) or that there is some non-obvious reason it don't work well (interesting).
@ergoproxy-gx2cq
@ergoproxy-gx2cq Жыл бұрын
​@@benjaminshropshire2900someone involved in making the device or at least the patent for it did confirm that the rules stopped them from doing that. (They're not allowed to have fuel injectors outside of the combustion chamber)
@benjaminshropshire2900
@benjaminshropshire2900 Жыл бұрын
@@ergoproxy-gx2cq well that's a boring reason :-(
@Official_Dee5iveTV
@Official_Dee5iveTV Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the engineering that goes into sports cars, but I absolutely sit in awe and wonder when I realize how much further engineers have to push when it comes to race cars. That pursuit of performance is just something that I can't get enough of because the solutions they come up with are pure genius. This video is informative perfection. Definitely subbing
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Fascinating isn't it! Thanks for the sub!
@Official_Dee5iveTV
@Official_Dee5iveTV Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory Most definitely fascinating 🔥🔥. It truly is my pleasure. Keep up the good work! 👍👍
@mikethecollector
@mikethecollector Жыл бұрын
Just have to say it, every race team cheats, and all of it is in the name of engineering.
@BigUriel
@BigUriel Жыл бұрын
They both push, just with different goals and constraints. You couldn't use this in a road car because the turbine doesn't last very long. Alternative systems exist like for example Porsche's which runs the engine at WOT but with no fuel under decceleration to keep air flowing through the turbine. Road cars have a lot more R&D spent on things like safety, efficiency, comfort equipment and of course cost optimization. In fact there's probably more R&D overall put into a Ford Focus than was every put into a Group B rally car.
@hksp
@hksp Жыл бұрын
just a modified gas turbine combustion camber
@jamesdevereux3003
@jamesdevereux3003 Жыл бұрын
Great video, as ALS control engineer and without breaching any NDA you are bang on track when describing the solenoid control. I had heard of the no ignition source pulse jet type system being used previously , fascinated by the pro drive rocket and Darren James further comments, Maybe electric turbos could be a subject for the future. Keep up the great content.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've been impressed with how many people from the industry have been coming across this video and love that you have all been so kind and encouraging. Electric turbos are a great suggestion for a future video! I'll need to educate myself a bit more about them first :)
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 Жыл бұрын
​​@@Republican_Extremest electric motors on turbos are not really a new concept, they have been in use ever since the new V6 hybrid systems were introduced in F1. A motor/generator is placed on the turbo that can help spool it up and can also help recapture energy when fully spooled-up. Fully electric turbos on the other hand has not seen the light of day on professional race cars.
@Clarence_13x
@Clarence_13x Жыл бұрын
Yes, I was thinking the same about the pulsejet not requiring an ignition source.
@johnsmith7676
@johnsmith7676 Жыл бұрын
Strikes me as a design spinoff of the old, tried-and-true pulsejet engine. This is a rather interesting implementation of it, I must say. Well-presented, also, sir. Straightforward, no-nonsense approach; no "hollywood" nonsense or obnoxious music, etc.. Very well done. Thank you!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed, thank you!
@DarkSwordsman
@DarkSwordsman Жыл бұрын
Well it's funny, because I remember watching a youtuber make a pulsejet out of a car turbo, lol. That's why I see this as a jet engine and why they call it that, because it technically is.
@ChimeraActual
@ChimeraActual Жыл бұрын
I was about to say it reminded me of a Ram Jet.
@danhard8440
@danhard8440 Жыл бұрын
was thinking the exact same
@spidergoose891
@spidergoose891 Жыл бұрын
Cut out the piston engine and this is just a normal jet engine.
@dhrida5518
@dhrida5518 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting stuff, initially I thought it would be mounted after the turbo because of the temperatures, but it all seems very well thought out! Thanks for the content!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Definitely a well-engineered system! Appreciate you watching!
@ScorpioIsland
@ScorpioIsland Жыл бұрын
I dearly appreciate how clear you make complex issues for people who are totally ignorant(me) and the effort you put into busting myths. Very great
@HRM.H
@HRM.H Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making a video on this. A very unique piece of motorsport engineering history
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching it! It's really interesting, Prodrive's patent cites some older patents from the 1950s that also related to combustion chambers for turbochargers. But as far as I can tell Prodrive and Subaru were some of the first to use the technology in a major motorsport.
@HRM.H
@HRM.H Жыл бұрын
​​@@themotorsportstory WW2 and post war engineering was next level. So much innovations from that period.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
For sure! Crazy what people could think of before computers even existed to help with design.
@kelly00000111111
@kelly00000111111 Жыл бұрын
thanks for breaking down this system and putting it in (relative) layman's terms. this era of rallying was when i really gained an appreciation for the sport beyond the simple thought process of "woah, cool car go fast!" and your video has brought things full circle. subscribing after watching this video was a no brainer !
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you, and welcome!
@malinkiireed6287
@malinkiireed6287 Жыл бұрын
This is a really technical and genius solution. Race engineers never cease to amaze
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@TheDrAkira
@TheDrAkira Жыл бұрын
This is the best comment section I've ever seen! Lots of insights and productive discussions, even from people that actually worked on the thing!? MAN this is pure gold! Amazing!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Agreed! People have been very civil for the most part, which is great.
@PrayItForwardAGAPE
@PrayItForwardAGAPE Жыл бұрын
Man Synchronicity is weird I've been studying this exact system for the last week. There was also one on a pretty "famous" S2000 based off the Pro-Drive design. You did a great job explaining.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I came across that during my research, super impressive! Just found the link for anyone interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6GtioRve96XqdE
@PrayItForwardAGAPE
@PrayItForwardAGAPE Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory Im going to utilize something very similar to the Air-box they used on the pro dive setup on my WRX Wagon build..
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
@@PrayItForwardAGAPE Awesome!
@santouchesantouche2873
@santouchesantouche2873 Жыл бұрын
does based off mean based on now?
@bennyb.1742
@bennyb.1742 Жыл бұрын
@GangBalls69_Estonia kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6GtioRve96XqdE&ab_channel=RobertThorne The builder explains all. Other videos of his show it in operation.
@bull_shannon_fpv
@bull_shannon_fpv Жыл бұрын
Neeto! I'm a old 2stroke cowboy specializing in Pre 2000 2cycle Vespa. You're video was clear and precise. I understood it all. I sold my Harley when I was in the navy back in 1992. Bought my 1980Vespa p200. She's up . To +25 horses and ove 95mph ( speedometer pegged!) Stainless expansion chamber, mmmmmm
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Awesome! 25 HP on one of those is no joke!
@alexrivera8047
@alexrivera8047 Жыл бұрын
IM CUMBUSTING!!!
@coleBlap
@coleBlap 4 ай бұрын
You🔥
@adamfrbs9259
@adamfrbs9259 3 ай бұрын
Damn that's a solid joke, you didn't get the likes and comments that deserved.
@sudathrohana8931
@sudathrohana8931 Жыл бұрын
Even after a decade or so, Subaru is something special to talk about! Amazing !
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
For anyone curious about the cooling system at the end of the video, here's a great article that explains pressurized cooling systems used in racing which is probably what these cars have: appliedspeed.com/blogs/tech/purpose-built-race-car-pressurized-water-systems I'm still learning about them myself, but the reason offered for adding pressure to the system is to check for trapped air in the system. From the article: "The tank comes with a Pressure Relief Valve (PRV). The PRV is adjustable, so it eliminates the pressurized radiator cap. The accumulator is also accompanied by a quick disconnect fitting for the operator to add some pressure to check for any air trapped in the heads." So minor correction on my part if that is what he was doing instead. Thanks for watching!
@farmerbailey2542
@farmerbailey2542 Жыл бұрын
within the team , it was actually nicknamed rolands rocket, as it was designed by prodrive engineer roland broadbent
@mk1cortinatony395
@mk1cortinatony395 Жыл бұрын
@@farmerbailey2542 True :)
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
@@farmerbailey2542 Interesting, thanks for the comment!
@needmoreboost6369
@needmoreboost6369 Жыл бұрын
The main reason isn’t to bleed the system but to increase the pressure and prevent boiling of the coolant! In particular the most at risk area’s such as the coolant galleries in the heads above the chambers and exhaust ports as increased pressure raises the boiling point of the coolant and bleeding is a secondary benefit! Also just about every cooling system is pressurised but this is roughly twice a normal car’s pressure and with an additional accumulator it’s a practical and well thought out system! Edit should have watched before comments! You got the accumulation covered lol
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
@@needmoreboost6369 Interesting, so I was on the right track I guess! Thanks for the comment and for watching!
@Cryptilian
@Cryptilian Жыл бұрын
SUBSCRIBED! Remarkable video dumbed down just enough but yet still providing PLENTY of details. Everything was damn near perfect In my opinion. Nothing annoyed me or felt like a waste of time. And I especially like how you didn't spend an excessive amount of time talking about the basics. Why on earth would anybody try so hard to explain something so basic then proceed to explain a really really really complicated subject. Thank you for the content! It's greatly appreciated :)
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I was having trouble deciding on how long to make the video and how much of the basics to cover, so I'm happy to hear that it sounds like I struck the proper balance.
@TheDrAkira
@TheDrAkira Жыл бұрын
Man! This was just sooooo well made and narrated! For a mechanic nerd like me this was amazing! Thanks man! Hope you'll grow your channel strong and continue making excellent content like this!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed it!
@davidcerven5072
@davidcerven5072 Жыл бұрын
Finally someone who made a proper video about such a cool piece of technology ! I knew it existed and how it worked, but in your video, I´ve learned couple of new things. Great job
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@RadDadisRad
@RadDadisRad Жыл бұрын
Super interesting fact is a lot of race teams install an intake to exhaust bypass valve and then plumb in an injector or if it’s a DI engine they use a fuel delivery during the exhaust stroke. It basically works as an afterburner.
@covrtdesign5279
@covrtdesign5279 Жыл бұрын
I lived behind the shop when they were in Colchester, VT, and the sounds coming from the garage was insane!!! (In a very good way). Even just visiting that small shop back in the early 2000's was so much fun. What a great era of rally.
@moose6790
@moose6790 Жыл бұрын
you deserve way more subs, really informative and well made video. Interesting topic as well, I had never heard of the rocket anti lag system before this
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@Republican_Extremest
@Republican_Extremest Жыл бұрын
WRX will forever hold a spot of my heart. The first time I heard a full 3in exhaust and downpipe set up I was at home and my buddy pulled up. The front of my house just shook and vibrated and it growled like a train in the distance. It was at that point I decided on Subaru for life. Are they nightmares yes, they have major design flaws maybe. But when they run right it's pure joy. Remove the top mount for a front mount.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
I've always been a Subaru fan! Have to say that I have a preference for the older WRXs as opposed to what they're selling now though.
@KristoffHemet
@KristoffHemet Жыл бұрын
Subbed. This is the best description of this system I’ve seen in video or any form. I’ve tried to explain this to people but I know it’s typically lost in translation. But you’ve done a great job
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that a lot, thank you!
@OfCorse76
@OfCorse76 Жыл бұрын
I've seen a lot of turbo system explainer videos. This is the first one I've seen where everything makes sense. I can't believe how many people get basic stuff very wrong in videos like this. Nice work and great job keeping it simple enough for the average person to understand.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I put a lot of time in to the diagrams and explanations, so I'm glad to hear it paid off.
@nigmane
@nigmane Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory good video
@pippy4658
@pippy4658 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video dude. Really glad I came across your video. The way you've described everything is easy to understand. Love things like that system, true engineering.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! I love learning and talking about systems like these!
@MPGymkhana
@MPGymkhana Жыл бұрын
Great video!! I've done a lot of research on the rocket myself and seen all of those technical drawings and patents you showed. Excellent work!!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mrbeans2425
@mrbeans2425 Жыл бұрын
These cars were absolute perfection! The rocket was an absolutely GENIUS invention!
@240rsmaxi8
@240rsmaxi8 Жыл бұрын
Great rocket explanation! I was fortunate enough to have an inside look at this during the first few years it was used on the S10. It was inspired by a design in a trash truck that was used to keep the DPF working with frequent start/stop, as well as Nick Mann's hillclimb car which used an actual turbine to keep the turbo exhaust pressure separate from the piston engine.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've heard about the Nick Mann car and would love to learn more about that! Any good links or videos you'd recommend?
@240rsmaxi8
@240rsmaxi8 Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory just search Nick Mann hillclimb and it should bring up some great videos. It's really a crazy car.
@malcolmfletcher7295
@malcolmfletcher7295 Жыл бұрын
There are many superficial 'experts' out there. Congratulations on producing something that is dense (i.e. not too many words) and informative.👍
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that, thank you! I enjoy speculating how things work, but if I don't know something, I won't pretend that I do just to look good.
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon
@NonEuclideanTacoCannon Жыл бұрын
They might call it the Rocket because the idea is very similar to how a a part of a liquid fuel rocket engine works. A gas generator burns some fuel and oxidizer to power a turbopump, which is extremely similar to an automotive turbocharger. There are even engine cycles that run fuel-rich, then tap off some of the exhaust into the gas generator.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Good theory!
@frostyl4269
@frostyl4269 Жыл бұрын
i love the mindset of the people that create these kinds of motorsport innovations. they didn’t know if it’d work, they didn’t know whether it’d work well either, and they didn’t care about the complexity or cost. they just thought some mental idea up and were like “yep, alright let’s try it”
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
That's what's awesome about big-budget teams at the top levels of motorsport! Seems there's a lot more rules these days that rule out some of the crazier ideas, but now and again somebody comes up with one. Thanks for watching!
@jaedanb
@jaedanb Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Because of hybrid systems I doubt we're gonna see any more cool innovative anti-lag systems, bc the electric motors can compensate for the turbo lag without the wear on the engine.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I think you're right. Unfortunately sometimes the innovations become less interesting as technology shifts and we can find simpler ways to do the same thing.
@toyotagaz
@toyotagaz Жыл бұрын
​@@themotorsportstory correction: there's alot of underated innovation and cool tech happening in the EV space. Batteries, wiring, magnets etc. It's just a different field of physics that alot of car guys aren't used to
@CharlieSolis
@CharlieSolis Жыл бұрын
Battery weight kills this idea though. Until that’s solved liquid fuels have such a higher mass energy density that it’s not always the best way tho go. This is why the big boy drones all have liquid fuel powered electric generators (auxiliary power units) that then output the electrical currents to drive the prop motors. And it still comes out much lighter and more effective than having a battery pack.
@Chris.Davies
@Chris.Davies 8 ай бұрын
Almost no turbo lag on my '97 Tommy kaira M20b wagon, with the EJ20 and the tiny Mitsubishi TD04 turbo fitted and close-ratio RA gearbox. With the TK tune. Phew. Full 1-bar boost from 3,000rpm. Huge surges of boost whenever I stab the throttle. Brilliant vehicle. One of the best ever.
@theislandsc
@theislandsc Жыл бұрын
This system seems like it would be better suited for diesel applications. A less volatile fuel with more energy. Some diesel SCR systems run at these temperatures already.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
That's an interesting point. I wonder if any diesel vehicles use something similar? I don't know much about diesel technology so I wouldn't know. Although I suppose reducing turbo lag isn't as much of a concern for heavy machinery.
@Jani.Ranta-Knuuttila
@Jani.Ranta-Knuuttila Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory search hyberbar system at leclerc tank
@CliffB5A4
@CliffB5A4 Жыл бұрын
Diesel works by compression though not heat or spark, I'm not sure it would work properly.
@wizard_of_poz4413
@wizard_of_poz4413 Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory it is a concern but it's mostly solved with vgts. Though this does sound like a good method for regen cycles
@theislandsc
@theislandsc Жыл бұрын
Diesel has a flashpoint of 100*c and a auto ignition temperature around 210*c so it will burn without compression. VGTs aren’t the most reliable and won’t give you full boost at idle just partial. They will limit the pressure range of the turbo as well.
@reskaill9684
@reskaill9684 3 ай бұрын
Proud day to be a hawkeye sti owner. Subaru did some INSANE STUFF
@RichLion
@RichLion Жыл бұрын
Sounds awesome, too. I'm not sure if other WRC teams 'copied' this design, but many cars get the 'squirrel' type antilag sound which I assume comes, or is helped along to make that sound by this system.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm not too sure. I've heard that some British Touring Cars have used a system like this but I can't seem to find any info on it anywhere. Thanks for the comment!
@arnoldkwiatkowski2692
@arnoldkwiatkowski2692 Жыл бұрын
I designed a very similar system in the summer of 2000 for my Unlimited Heavy Super Stock Pulling Tractor which had 3 HC5A Holset Turbochargers with The first stage using two with 3.9" wheels feeding a single HC5A with a G flow Exhaust wheel and a big back 4.250" inducer compressor wheel and then onto my Water to Air Intercooler I made that used .625 O.D internally enhanced copper tubing, which increased the efficiency by almost double compared to plane wall tubing. I was using a combustor from a gas turbine to help drive the chargers in a situation where I needed to throttle the engine quickly and needed help keeping the turbo's at an optimal speed, so the compressors wouldn't stall as I reapplied full throttle quickly, It is really cool how closely related are systems where. I was running 85lbs of boost and the engine was an inline 6 cylinder with a 4.875 bore and 5.350 stroke, which equals 598 cubic inches. 3500HP @ 6000rpm
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
That sounds awesome, thanks for sharing! If you have any pictures or videos, I'd love to see them!
@oliverscorsim
@oliverscorsim Жыл бұрын
Wonder if one could incorporate the simple 2step with an air injection valve to lower egts. Wouldn't be as good as this but might be a simple solution with more conventional systems
@SethPowers-mt2vz
@SethPowers-mt2vz 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely possible, I actually have had this completed within the last week. The EGT can be seen lowering substantially via installed gauge.
@oliverscorsim
@oliverscorsim 8 ай бұрын
@@SethPowers-mt2vz details please
@cynicalrabbit915
@cynicalrabbit915 2 ай бұрын
When you mentioned the Combustion Can from a jet engine, I was immediately reminded of what one looked like. Internally the rocket looks like a misshaped Combustion Can with some extra pieces.
@cheythompson740
@cheythompson740 Жыл бұрын
Skip to 4:20 for the "rocket part"
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Unless you already know how turbos and anti-lag work, don't skip! :) Figured I needed to include a summary of turbos and anti-lag because I know some people don't understand it and without the background knowledge, you can't appreciate the rocket. Thanks for watching!
@NeurodivergentSuperiority
@NeurodivergentSuperiority 6 ай бұрын
After seeing Drivetribes heavily dissapointing video on the Mazda Furai, it's sweet seeing someone who actually cares about cars enough to go as far as to debunk myths, thank you so much!
@thediddly
@thediddly Жыл бұрын
This "jet" is basically a preturbo exhaust venturi system, albeit one very well made. Good job explaining it!
@Andrecio64
@Andrecio64 Жыл бұрын
The rocket could be 3d printed in today's metal 3D printers
@Steavethefish3
@Steavethefish3 7 ай бұрын
They’re coming to get you 😂😂😂
@g-nice_pimp
@g-nice_pimp 7 ай бұрын
There is already a product called fresh air anti-lag from turbo smart. Works like toyota's anti lag system.
@ericalbers4867
@ericalbers4867 7 ай бұрын
Let us all know when you have one of those 🤣 I mean they only start at $100k for a cheap on that's mediocre. For a really good one it'll cost you over $1 million.
@randallshelton1630
@randallshelton1630 Жыл бұрын
Wow this is the first video I’ve seen from this channel but it was very informative and in a way almost anyone could understand I’m about to binge
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it and welcome!
@loluakindele1146
@loluakindele1146 Жыл бұрын
Man! You can't help but think, what kind of mind designed this thing.
@jasonmccoy6293
@jasonmccoy6293 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the content! I’ve been looking at antilag options for my 2017 Subaru STI and found the rocket! You explained it beautifully ..nicely done Brother!🤙🏾🤙🏾
@Ragna___
@Ragna___ Жыл бұрын
That was an insanely detailed and thought out analysis. Thank you!!
@Strider1Wilco
@Strider1Wilco Жыл бұрын
honestly one of the coolest videos i've ever watched
@dean5565
@dean5565 Жыл бұрын
youre the real deal man. this took me back to my thermodynamics courses. I wish i had a prof like you!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that! Makes those subjects much more interesting when there's cool stuff like this to apply them to!
@camoanonymous9494
@camoanonymous9494 Жыл бұрын
Oh, this video definitely earned my subscription! Absolutely phenomenal content right here. This is actually the second video I've seen from the channel, which is funny because the first video was the mentioned Ford Boost Tank video. I probably would've subscribed then, but if memory serves I watched it on a lunch break and lost was this channel to the infinite algorithm of KZbin. Not to worry, as 80% of my views go to car channels I was sure to find you again.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks so much and welcome back!
@LF-Productions
@LF-Productions Жыл бұрын
This channel is about to blow up
@georgiostheodorou2584
@georgiostheodorou2584 Жыл бұрын
That's what I love about motorsports, engineers thinking outside the box to get around regulations. Great research from you and great work from subaru engineers 👍👌
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more! People complain about rules, but without them, I don't think we'd have as much creativity. Thanks for the comment!
@longtailgt
@longtailgt Жыл бұрын
I hope this video reaches 1 million views and beyond! Because this is fascinating stuff that I absolutely love (though I understand little of it), and as a long time WRC fan, and race car fan in general, I am so glad I get to learn all this on KZbin!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@kristoferpahklepa5374
@kristoferpahklepa5374 Жыл бұрын
This channel will blow up! Amazing content!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@capegold8890
@capegold8890 3 ай бұрын
Very cool breakdown. Technical yet understandable wording, good build up to the main points! Kudos and subscribed 🔥
@lorriecarrel9962
@lorriecarrel9962 Жыл бұрын
I invented this tech in my mind one day and I'm glad to see someone else has also and actually put it to use
@powerbuilder0510
@powerbuilder0510 Жыл бұрын
this would be super cool adapted to use on diesel engines, not only would it help with power/performance but it would also help with dirty old diesel soot since it easily gets hot and oxygenated enough to vaporize anything that comes out of the engine, no dpf, no egr, no adblue. happy days for everyone.
@sebmakowicki3422
@sebmakowicki3422 Жыл бұрын
This is really great. Just keep up the great work man. Reading the patent, thats amazing
@kamiljereczek8427
@kamiljereczek8427 8 ай бұрын
30k subs yet so good quality and informative content, hope the chanell grows fast!
@timecowx
@timecowx Жыл бұрын
All of this made me happy! That was well explained and illustrated, nice work sir!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Flashbang_Photo
@Flashbang_Photo Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Did get it endlessly recommended by youtube and i wasn't too interested, but i finally caved in and i'm glad i did, as i never had seen this explained so well. Congrats! You get a new sub!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks and welcome!
@Sigrafix
@Sigrafix Жыл бұрын
This is so cool. Thank you for taking the time to put this together and laying it all out so plainly so that it is easily understood, appreciate the effort my guy, awesome video!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@ValladolidArde
@ValladolidArde Жыл бұрын
Worked on these cars approx 15 years ago, the system is wild. It can kill the turbo if you are off throttle for too long. I think there used to be three settings. The wildest only allowed 1sec of off throttle before damage killed the turbo and system as a whole. Engine in its wildest spec would be lifed for max of 1500km, sometimes less, It would by then, have destroyed the valves, warped the valve seats, softened the alumunium cylinder head, cooked pistons and rings, plugs... Its a wild wild system and works best with oxygenated race control fuels. Some extremely talented men worked at prodrive those years, such a shame David Richards was so ruthless to them. Just imagine what could be done today using the advent of CFD, supercomputers and 3d metal printing, it must be mind blowing. LONG LIVE THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE!! Kind regards from a motorsport engineer.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! The top setting sounds crazy!
@spence_the_buffet_slayer
@spence_the_buffet_slayer Жыл бұрын
I built development engines at Prodrive during 2003. We did have a means of storage for compressed air. On the Dyno, it was a aluminium canister of approximately one litre volume. I am sure we had one on the cars too, but I am also aware that the system produced such an excess of air that we couldn’t use it all. We looked at using air shifters and various other ways of using this “free power”, but none made it to competition. For reference, we had 3 bar of boost and 11.25:1 compression ratio, which was pretty high at that time. The solenoids that you are seeing were referred to as the “boost pack”, and controlled air flow to and from the exhaust, inlet, and air storage. We were legally allowed to inject air into the inlet manifold because it had already been through the inlet air restrictor. When a certain engineer left Prodrive bound for Ford, they tried to have the system banned. The FIA declared it legal, so they had to develop their own. I still have my documentation on how the system works somewhere around here.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff, thanks so much for sharing! It can be hard to speculate how a system worked just from looking at photos, so I really appreciate that yourself and others with experience at Prodrive have been dropping by with some clarifications and missing details. I'd pin your comment as well, but unfortunately KZbin only seems to allow me to pin one comment to the top and Darren got here first :)
@dakdewolf
@dakdewolf Жыл бұрын
Cool video! I clapped for myself at the end too! This tech reminds me of a force fed pulse jet engine.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
I actually wasn't familiar with those until I read up on them just now from your comment, so thanks for teaching me something! Glad you liked the video!
@G-force_Motorsport
@G-force_Motorsport Жыл бұрын
As a non-American i do struggle hearing antilag pronounced Ant-eye-lag, not Anti-lag as it should be.😂But seriously great content, well done mate. Defo enjoyed it!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Haha fair enough, but glad you enjoyed the video! You'd probably die if you heard how we Lancia over here 🤣
@G-force_Motorsport
@G-force_Motorsport Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory Yep, you're probably right! All the best mate, good stuff!
@dualtrondreamteam6811
@dualtrondreamteam6811 Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree on the water pressure increase at the end of the video
@kari53
@kari53 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Flash back from the past. You did a lot of good research. I thought it would be very inaccurate. However, this turned out to be very accurate. During the Prodrive days, there were many different anti-lag mothods tested. It must be noted that some methods worked better than others, each having their own drawback. However, they all consumed mass amounts of fuel. Well done mate.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I knew I had to be a little "click-baity" with the thumbnail in order to get people to watch a video from a small channel, and I figured that would give the impression of inaccuracy, but as I'm learning, that's just how KZbin works. So I'm glad you found it accurate and enjoyable to watch!
@michaelwilliams8297
@michaelwilliams8297 Жыл бұрын
So, the engineers plumbed a fully throttle controlled pulse jet into the exhaust system...... brilliant.
@joebloggs9719
@joebloggs9719 Жыл бұрын
I think I understood about 80% but I enjoyed all of it. Great video !
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! And don't worry, this video was as much as I could understand of it. I'm sure there's much deeper engineering to it that would melt my brain haha
@beuman0
@beuman0 Жыл бұрын
this channel will go up over the next months
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being here!🙂
@GinolasVideos
@GinolasVideos Жыл бұрын
I remember coming across the patent for this when researching mods for my own car, really great breakdown of the history of it :)
@godzillaboy1037
@godzillaboy1037 Жыл бұрын
that explanation was so easy to understand and so short that is hard to do that was awesome
@scullyvisionofficial
@scullyvisionofficial Жыл бұрын
I actually kept up with that after working on my Imp over the last couple years. Thank you for the video.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for watching!
@automobilistic
@automobilistic Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! A complex topic explained simply, thoroughly and with great pace. + I learned something new!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Love your videos!
@mikkihintikka7273
@mikkihintikka7273 Жыл бұрын
they did it what i thought was possible! im so happy to see my shover ideas has actually been used in history
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Shower ideas are the best ideas!
@ClosestNearUtopia
@ClosestNearUtopia Жыл бұрын
It works almost like a pulse yet, and therefore its name.. the three inlets creating a swirls cancels out the pulse working and extents it into a continuous burst of speedy air. The coned shape also help the leftover pulse effect to be smoothened out for guaranteeing smoothest af working
@karliszauers1
@karliszauers1 Жыл бұрын
I would classify it as a mix between pulse jet and afterburner
@ClosestNearUtopia
@ClosestNearUtopia Жыл бұрын
@@karliszauers1 yesh
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Despite loving Subaru rally, I was completely unfamiliar with this system. Great use of diagrams and sources. Thanks!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've actually been watching your stuff since way before starting this channel! Really looking forward to the long-form series with the V10!
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory Wow thank you that is so surprising and kind! The whole V10 Impreza build is coming to KZbin this year in long form along with the entire Rotaru build. If you haven't seen Rotaru, it's as far as we know the world's first rotary swapped BRZ. 13B-REW from a 1994 Mazda RX-7 in a 2013 Subaru BRZ. I built it with Monster Motoring in about 10-15 days of work and it's an absolute riot to drive! I subbed with my last comment BTW. :D
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
@@802Garage Can't wait man! I actually hadn't seen Rotaru so now I've got two build series to look forward to!
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory Much appreciated keep up the great work! You can be the next Driving 4 Answers or something. I see success in your future hahaha.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
@@802Garage I appreciate that a lot, thank you! Still struggling to figure out what kind of content I like to make, between more technical vs. more story-driven stuff but I definitely plan to keep going. Maybe I'll catch you IRL someday as a fellow New Englander🙂
@Isaac-vr9bg
@Isaac-vr9bg 6 ай бұрын
I loved all it that and I learned something I didn’t know plus you broke it down to people that don’t know much that was perfect all around 👌
@mannys4539
@mannys4539 Жыл бұрын
Wow thank you very much! Your video really cleared things up for me! My vague understanding of subaru's anti lag system was eye opening. Actually seeing the patent and having it explained was awesome! Thanks!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@shoux
@shoux Жыл бұрын
6:47 had me ROFL !! Seriously amazing explanation! subbed!
@jonathancleaves5714
@jonathancleaves5714 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video thanks you for the break down 👍👍
@FlyApeRally
@FlyApeRally Жыл бұрын
Waaaaw, the liquid-pressure-boiling point thing thing was, waw... everything. Thank you for your content!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and subscribing! Like I said in the pinned comment up top, another possible explanation is that they can add pressure to the system to check for trapped air. The boiling point thing was my best guess but without asking the mechanic, I don't know for sure :) Here's a good article that explains it if you're interested: appliedspeed.com/blogs/tech/purpose-built-race-car-pressurized-water-systems
@FlyApeRally
@FlyApeRally Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory I'll give it a look. Thank you!
@pprb123
@pprb123 Жыл бұрын
You found a great balance between introductory material and advanced /new concepts!
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thank you! That was the aim, so I'm glad I delivered.
@lonethefreak8849
@lonethefreak8849 Жыл бұрын
You learn new things everyday and today I learn new
@originalsungkim
@originalsungkim Жыл бұрын
Very entertaining and informative! I do have some basic knowledge of how turbo and superchargers work but didn’t know how anti lag works for the Subaru rally car. Very cool!
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 6 ай бұрын
Two things. 1) This reminds me of the cyclone generated inside a Dyson vacuum cleaner or an afterburner. 2) I wonder if it would just be simpler to have a solenoid controlled canister of compressed air connected to the hot side of the turbine. As exhaust gas pressure reduces, open up the air valve to keep it spinning, just hook that valve up to the ECU.
@caseycrosby9535
@caseycrosby9535 Жыл бұрын
It’s a can type jet engine combustion chamber, love it.
@jackroutledge352
@jackroutledge352 Жыл бұрын
That's an amazing piece of research you've done there, and very well explained.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that, thank you! Not trying to claim that it's 100% correct, but I took my time to ensure that it's as correct as I could get it with the info I could find.
@jackroutledge352
@jackroutledge352 Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory As a patent attorney who works in the gas turbine engine field, I couldn't spot any errors at all. Really very impressive.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
​@@jackroutledge352 Haha, what're the odds?! I'll take it though, thank you! I'm just a car and engineering enthusiast that likes to share the passion with others.
@merkel_user
@merkel_user Жыл бұрын
Rocket Subaru goes brrrr
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Wow haha, almost 13 minutes of video precisely summarized in 4 words!
@merkel_user
@merkel_user Жыл бұрын
@@themotorsportstory thats how you know you understood what you just watched
@manu-sqrboi
@manu-sqrboi Жыл бұрын
great video and really clear explanations, thank u for teaching us about it, bc I didnt know this was a thing. keep up the good work :) definitely subscribing
@halrichard1969
@halrichard1969 Жыл бұрын
Good job on the man splaning. Completely understandable. Very clever engineering for those rally cars.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it! Very clever for sure!
@russelbrown6275
@russelbrown6275 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job on the explanation. Have watched another video but yours was more informative and understandable.
@shadowsandfire
@shadowsandfire Жыл бұрын
I made it! I sure did enjoy learning about the rocket as i've never seen it before, amazing idea and i'd love to make something similar for my own race car :) thanks for sharing
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! If you build one, make sure you post about it here! :)
@jackburton7062
@jackburton7062 Жыл бұрын
As a racing fan I found this to be very informative. The commentary is nothing without a good presentation... and you sir, you nailed the whole packaged. Ill sub ya.
@themotorsportstory
@themotorsportstory Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very much appreciated!
@WelcomeToAir
@WelcomeToAir Жыл бұрын
Man you do a phenomenal job with these vids. Bravo
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