Rocket Antilag Explained, BigBadWolf Turbo S2000 Story

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Robert Thorne

Robert Thorne

Күн бұрын

Its been years of Antilag questions, how did we do it, why did we do it, did it actually work. In this video i finally tell the whole story of how the S2000's Rocket Antilag system came to be and go over how long it lasted and how it was controlled. Please Also checkout @MotoIQ video covering the car from the Optimat World Championship Autocross

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@iainball2023
@iainball2023 Жыл бұрын
I spent a fair amount of time tuning subaru's in the 2000's and I had heard of, but never saw that system. I found your story absolutely fascinating. Heat management was a major issue even just tuning road cars. particularly on the dyno. I don't think many people appreciate how big your nuts are doing 100's of hours tuning on something akin to a grenade with the pin out. You, sir are a legend of an order only people with a certain knowledge can truly appreciate. I'm going back to watch that again. So interesting I barely noticed you take 45 min to pull a fuel rail 👌
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the kind words my friend 🙏
@fepethepenguin8287
@fepethepenguin8287 Жыл бұрын
Yikes S2000 motor tuning, does not sound fun
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 Ай бұрын
@@Robert_Thorne8 RC/hobby/APU jet engines ( and hybrid systems and or electric-blowers/electric-motor's ) have come along way and or it's possible to use the jet's-ECU separate ( same fuel systems on diesel/karo/M100/propane or smaller-tank/different-fuelled ) and in a slave configuration/OBD2 so the combuster-can see's combined/compound-turbo-boost ( also possible to add compounds-main air/engine as there more efficient as gale-bank's/+other's point to, on my v8 there isn't much room just getting low/block-hugging twins/sequence'd* to fit/work-on is a bear and a single in my setup is harder as exhaust-volume vs turbo aka the opposite side of maths in 2L/4-bangers spooling/over-speed ect ) making run more quite+higher efficiency ect and in theory less maintenance needs and less engine bay-heating ( and my winters plan is for the jet-systems/BEV to climate control my interior and maintain the battery SOC( hemi could do this but in theory using more parts-life+higher burn rate as shown in big-rig's/simi's and there APU's ect ) and quiet+quickly warming the engine-water/heater-core ect and adding-boost-ect and that's best done in my-case not pissing-off the cop at the light-ect ) and or less piston-wash-down ect also jet/self-buy is probably easier to get/replacement and or maybe less upfront-USD$$ im behind your build i didn't know that we had similar idea/influences( mine is off military and industrial equipment's, from my work/mentoring ) around 2015~ mine is in a ( 906-head 383/6L got stolen so it's replacement is a 540~ 4.3X4.5in-stroke D8 hemi fully iron-repop'd casting's )383+TR6070/1970charger( TT EFR-76-70 +AC-interciller'd ) and was/is aiming for daily/MPG( sqarres turbo-systems out of SLC-ut now holly-LLC owning them but in corvette's/camro's show'd a improvement's in less pumping-losses and match-bot and or my mathematics back's this claim but no-real world testing yet unfortunately because of covid-era/car got stolen/chop-shopped and partly-recovered )/drag&drive and rarely ( Las vagas or miller-auto-park/SLC-ut, im on 10~wide tires as that's the maximum in higher sidewall's without Richard_S/OG-1967 team mod/wide-body and or deleting the v8 and or t-bar's-ect, back's a 3-link planning ) HPDE/auto-X in the hobby-classes as T/A themed-ish 3500-LB to 6k-chunky muscle car's aren't as/non competitive but still fun to drive-hard ect
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 Ай бұрын
@@Robert_Thorne8 that's for sharing the tuning/timing vs fuel as i wondered more than once in my boss shop( caddy's/JDM's/racing-car's ) if i could control a runway-gasoline engine ( and or if a hit&miss cycling/mode would work and or engineered-for-as-normal-operating condition's, vs how it's normally been done in the 1920's ) now it's confirmed it's just really hard on parts but it's still better than dropping a valve/uncle-rodny event i knew about 2-step/timing but i wasn't sure if it was possible to lean-control to 19~ or 16:1 ( or opposite of 8:1 on 87-ron/pump ) and late-sparking as a combo as i wasn't sure if that would fail to light aka stalling-out/stumble or knock/dieseling/diesel-clatter to death as most gasoline engines aren't made to handle this 426/mine kinda can( planning with parts like oil-cool'd/steel piston-domes+HD-rod's-ect and iron-casting's ect and or secondry common-rail GDI/diesel systems as im plan'd on doubling to 400-1400hp levels of torque/hp from 1968 spec's ) but not for long with detonation/LSPI
@Decadentwest
@Decadentwest Жыл бұрын
I was at Prodrive throughout the 90’s and into the early 2000’s and remember the days when the rocket was being developed, it was easy to tell because the test team workshop was surrounded by smoke,flames and loud noises! 😂😂😂
@qpSubZeroqp
@qpSubZeroqp Жыл бұрын
😂😂 Thanks for sharing your experience
@h-rttv7374
@h-rttv7374 8 ай бұрын
❤❤
@chrisstratton3430
@chrisstratton3430 Жыл бұрын
Another Honda Fan in PA. I'm 51, just finished my first Kswap in an 89 CRX Shooting for 400 HP AWD. Absolutely amazed at your work. You are way ahead of me and you are young. You've got life by balls kid! Go win the race!
@Jonathan_Doe_
@Jonathan_Doe_ 2 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing that you guys pulled off something that pretty much only a factory funded rally team and one other guy at Litchfield (who had some inside knowledge from Prodrive) has ever managed! That fires definitely the kind of near miss that makes you check things more carefully moving forwards though!
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the kind words! Yes lesson learned on the fire, such a bad oversight on our part due to rushing
@ReignitedAuto
@ReignitedAuto 9 ай бұрын
I know this is an older video, but as someone who is currently trying to tune a twin charged setup i found this absolutely fascinating! The level of testing and development that went into making this system actually work is incredible. It's clear why it's not a common practice today, and yet the fact that you did it at all is very impressive! My setup is child's play by comparison. Kudos to you for tackling and conquering this beast 👏
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 Ай бұрын
i considered both ways of getting boosted on a 1970 906 383 mopar and originally my plans were 8-71+mechanical ( went far enough one/2015~ winter Denver co by adding a ice/snow fake-shaped unit 2-G_charger/2005~300 to see if i could live with it daily and decided that wasn't a good idea as i like seeing my passengers-fender/bumper-corner ect and or sorry to poor kid i scared ect, took less than a week and id melded it off the hood ) but after being influenced( i blame JDM and or honda-guy's, OBD2/2015~upwards is hard to debate against vs my 1950's-mindset mag+pump fixed-setting's ect, and i have never been a bottle/no2-types and never willingly-be ) i changed to TT 76-70's and then i got the hare-brilliant ideas of what-if hellcat/screw used-blower( clutch'd ) plus-twin's but ditched it quickly/less-than-a-weekend as it would have been $$/pain upfront to get it working as much as i like the crome/wine-etc so i started reading-ect and next idea and or looking at dodge/military history and or my sibling really likes the jet-dart-program of the 1950-70 era light came on why's not add a micro-jet/RC as a exhaust/gas-generator and run consistently at 20 or 33~PSI of boost all the time and or bonus of hot-water/cabin-heating and or battery managing/hybrid power ect jet+turbocharged/compound's to me managed correctly is more easier to setup and live with daily, computers made this possible or at least using less space and or $$ ect
@Jonathan_Doe_
@Jonathan_Doe_ 2 жыл бұрын
Ah that doomed run fits perfectly with Enzo Ferraris ‘the perfect race car is one that breaks a moment after the finish line’ quote 😂
@Sumaire_STi
@Sumaire_STi 3 жыл бұрын
While it's only a minor detail, you did forget the part where you smoked the tires on the dyno on the first attempted pass, and had to borrow mine to actually successfully make dyno passes (and then told me about it later, hahaha!). I also still remember the first time that you drove this thing with the rocket anti-lag at an event. I've never seen either you or Chris Mayfield spin out so many times! :D Still, it's really fun to hear this story told properly. I'm also extremely grateful that I got to benefit from the "Torque-On-Demand" tuning approach created to make this car controllable. It's just one of the wonderful factors that makes Sumaire STi as special as she is. Thank you again for all of your efforts to help get my car going, mate - she wouldn't be the beast she is today without you! (Same gratitude goes for Chris and Maciek!)
@rileyneewton3806
@rileyneewton3806 7 ай бұрын
this is so baller, i'd love to see more people try to attempt this pure race car mod
@RallyRat
@RallyRat Жыл бұрын
It was great watching the development of this back then (hard to believe almost 10 years ago!) Thanks for sharing, and congrats! -Will
@Dallasjcutler
@Dallasjcutler 3 жыл бұрын
Epic story, loved the whole thing.
@marktinkler6897
@marktinkler6897 Жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Sounds a lot like you are getting in to Top Fuel Dragster Fuel Management and Maintainance territory! (Teardowns after every run). Hope your budget can support that! Good luck going forward!!!😊
@TheRealEvilSink
@TheRealEvilSink Жыл бұрын
Just sat here with goosebumps just listening to your experiences with this car and the antilag. I cant even imagine how fun this car must be to drive, it does not even compute haha.
@0zmosis2001
@0zmosis2001 Жыл бұрын
That's so awesome how the turbo stays at a consistent speed even when sitting at the start line! You are definitely ahead of your time
@Stromn83
@Stromn83 Жыл бұрын
look up the s11 subaru from 2005 , it had a rocket anti lag so even thou this guy claims to be the first , he was late by almost a decade....
@wav_form9322
@wav_form9322 Жыл бұрын
@@Stromn83 He claims to be the first person to build and run it PRIVATELY, he even talked about subaru running it, they're just a big company doing it.
@AnttiBrax
@AnttiBrax Жыл бұрын
I wonder why this is popping up in the recommendations right now. Glad I watched it. The turbo speed gauge in the last run is just pleasant to watch.
@oms325mg
@oms325mg 3 жыл бұрын
Figured I'd put this on and listen to it in the background while I got some work done. I think I made less progress than you did on that motor. Great story, thanks for putting that together.
@Joelontugs
@Joelontugs Жыл бұрын
I caught a headache mid way through had to take it off come back the next day lmao this is insane you got this to work
@jrmyadventr
@jrmyadventr Жыл бұрын
I wish I had the money to race. A story like this is quite inspiring. There's been so many ideas I've wanted to engineer, but just don't have the money or resource to try things
@zakbrinkhoff324
@zakbrinkhoff324 Жыл бұрын
Same.
@williambrasky3891
@williambrasky3891 Жыл бұрын
Ever thought of karting?
@zakbrinkhoff324
@zakbrinkhoff324 Жыл бұрын
@@williambrasky3891 I heard that's how you get in to racing but even that sport is somehow the same cost or more than drifting. Just a heartless up to par with competition would be 7000 at least. Plus you have to have some kind of very flexible job that allows you lots of time off to go to all the races. The only way to do it as a career would be to get sponsored which you probably at the dump 50,000 of your own dollars in before that happens same with drifting
@andivatar6383
@andivatar6383 Жыл бұрын
I think it's closer to a jet than a rocket. Either way it's extra extraordinary ALS Thanks for a very inspirational story.
@qumefox
@qumefox Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what it is. In essence what they're doing is wedging an internal combustion engine right after the compressor stage of a gas turbine.
@Barty.Crowell
@Barty.Crowell Жыл бұрын
Technically a jet is a type of rocket engine
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 3 жыл бұрын
Man been dying to see a clear indetail video thanks
@96gts
@96gts 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen this car run at Nats in Lincoln and it was amazing. I've heard bits and pieces and a generalized overview of the rocket system from various other competitors and whatnot, but it's great to see it all in one place and in detail.
@SOLOIIguru
@SOLOIIguru Жыл бұрын
Met you at a PhillySCCA event a few years ago(2018). Your car was super sick back then. Funny to see you in my YT feed in 2023!
@nclivin4220
@nclivin4220 Жыл бұрын
I loved every minute of this story. Awesome peice of racing history right there!
@786Jeff
@786Jeff 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing that story Robert. I've followed the car since 2015 and I've always wondered about the development and pains of that system. Also thanks for the time of putting up this channel and all the One Lap vids. Hopefully I'll get to meet you guys and see some of the cars out at Hallett sometime as I instruct out there a couple of times a month.
@ASMotorsports
@ASMotorsports 3 жыл бұрын
Best video yet. Loved it. Thank you for sharing.
@PenguinScotty
@PenguinScotty 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that story! Mad respect for going and figuring this stuff out, completely understand the lack of desire to go back to the complexity of that system though. Still hoping to one day see it make a return, simply from a engineering porn perspective :P. Got me all excited to work on my car again, without a rocket and without a turbo, even, lol
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! was a journey!
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 3 жыл бұрын
@@Robert_Thorne8 since the engine is stock u must have gapped the rings... how much did you gap them??
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
@@FirstLast-tx3yj I did not gap them. I ended up running E98. Cylinder temps seem to be cool enough
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 3 жыл бұрын
@@Robert_Thorne8 so on astock s2000 engine running e98. One can run 600+whp!!!???
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
@@FirstLast-tx3yj Absolutely. The motor is still stock today and still rock solid. including a couple 30psi runs at road atlanta pushing 700hp
@wmwnwmn
@wmwnwmn 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome story Robert. I remember gridding behind you at a bmw event and hearing your start sequence was just like an A-10 APU start. It was fun watching you navigate that thing!
@speedbuggy16v
@speedbuggy16v 9 ай бұрын
That, and you and the people helping you with that are awesome. I am have no words how impressive it is to me that you got it to work! To bad it is so complicated to deal with and maintain.
@SuperMacGuy
@SuperMacGuy 3 жыл бұрын
Super interesting, glad you shared and had success with that! Congrats on KOTM win! I wish I had come over to talk and check out your car.
@A_Lazy_Bori
@A_Lazy_Bori Жыл бұрын
just subbed because Brent said "come on over" no issue so have my support now!
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you!!
@Aheitchoo
@Aheitchoo 3 жыл бұрын
Man, Ive been following the rocket system since we saw you run it at nats and win. Great to hear the whole story. Would love to see it again someday.
@jetsmini
@jetsmini 3 жыл бұрын
That’s pretty awesome!! We need more of these!!
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe one day!
@salspec3381
@salspec3381 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool Robert. I've heard bits and pieces of the rocket saga over the years, but never got around to asking you about the whole story.
@ISMarco
@ISMarco 2 жыл бұрын
That's such an amazing story and adventure! I remember seeing some limited info on your setup in interviews and stuff, but it took me a few years to stumble across your channel and find this.
@robertmckay694
@robertmckay694 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that bud, thanks for sharing a great story. Good mix of tech and trials and tribulations.😋
@harmodrifter
@harmodrifter 7 ай бұрын
With all the 3D developments, you could get the header/rocket 3D printed from inconel ... maybe to have some spare printed for fast swaps...
@firefrets8628
@firefrets8628 9 ай бұрын
I remember seeing pictures of 1950s jet engines with their cowling's off. There are several of these things surrounding the engine. Amazing to think you built a sort of remote, centrifugal flow jet engine.
@williambrasky3891
@williambrasky3891 Жыл бұрын
Had a friend w/ a mint integra type R, ran stock back when they allowed slicks. One event, to get a bit rotation out of the rear, he decided to run used up Hoosiers out back & new kumhos up front. Called it HoosierHos. He won nationals a year later, but think he was driving a yellow c5 z06 in ASP.
@notaboutit3565
@notaboutit3565 Жыл бұрын
Dude hell yeah! This was an amazing story!
@Giitzerland
@Giitzerland Жыл бұрын
250-280hp in a very light car, with incredible handling, and most of its power in the upper part of the rev range is a formula for fun!
@BrewedMotorsports
@BrewedMotorsports Жыл бұрын
Superb work and commitment to the rocket! Also completely understand removing it for more seat time less wrench/TIG time 😅
@kumathebully
@kumathebully Жыл бұрын
Jesus dude, you got enough shop rags? Loved the video, you got a new sub..
@XORExploite
@XORExploite Жыл бұрын
amazing story on the rocket, danx for sharing😊
@TheMoghrabimahmoud
@TheMoghrabimahmoud 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome story even more awesome build
@esmmotorsportsinc.5467
@esmmotorsportsinc.5467 Жыл бұрын
Great story! Impressive what you guys accomplished!
@iancooper5615
@iancooper5615 Жыл бұрын
What a great video of a quality story, i absolutely love the way air can be messed with to create power, gas turbines are a fairly simple example of this, but basically you are using a gas turbine to control boost for an Ic engine, but using its own air. Its incredible. Ive seen a few vids of the subarus from wrc and they were fascinating too. Love this. 👍🏼
@merciless9285
@merciless9285 3 ай бұрын
im doing as much research as I can to hopefully make a functional system for my E46. Its quite literally rocket science, certainly beyond challenging for a diesel engine mechanic and amateur fabricator (myself), but I'll figure it out eventually! rockets are so cool
@tensevo
@tensevo Жыл бұрын
great work and great story, interesting that it came from old train engines.
@projectLSaudiA4
@projectLSaudiA4 Жыл бұрын
Awesome project and great to see a 🦇 💩 crazy idea made reality by hard work and ingenuity. Thank you for sharing.
@sparty94
@sparty94 Жыл бұрын
i'm amazed that you were able to get this to work. nothing easy about it.
@kristiangronberg3150
@kristiangronberg3150 Жыл бұрын
Thank for the great content what a lovely story 👍 In rally you have striction to lower the power output, a strictor on the turbo limiting the air and that way limit the output Power of the engine. Well if you don't have striction like this in your class, just have a rocket engine to spin the turbo. In this case it works like an super charger with it's own engine to spin it... So you wouldn't need to route exhaust from the engine to the turbo at all, just have the rocket with it's own fuel source, a bit off the boost going to the "rocket" and most off the boost going to the engine. Might be much easier to tune. How people get started this kind of jet engines is with compres air, you can find all kind off turbo jet engines people build. And you already have the compres air so just a bit engineering to get around it and your good to go
@MichaelGarcia-tj7di
@MichaelGarcia-tj7di Жыл бұрын
Amazing story amazing craftsmanship amazing work man your the entrepreneur of motorsports a young Carroll shelby or ken miles the gale banks of our generation
@MJPilote
@MJPilote Жыл бұрын
Fascinating, very interesting project for sure. To have instant torque on demand, like electric motor but better! I think the new BW Efr series turbos are so fast spooling that you can achieve the same with regular rolling anti lag.
@reed139qmb
@reed139qmb Жыл бұрын
I've been working on a product for the last 12 years that may have similar results, but without the issues. It's a single piece of solid-state hardware. No moving parts, and non electrical. I have the original working prototype that I ran on my daily driver, for 3 straight years. I'm currently working on an upgraded version. At pre production prototype stage. I reworking the design spicifally for lean manufacturing purposes. I don't own a business...yet, so it's been hard to get people to take me seriously. Also, this product will increase your fuel mileage by 50%. That's the original idea intended. It turned out to be a power adder, as well. Smoothed out the engine, too. I don't have the money to patent this design, and I'm considering releasing it to the public domain in order to get this product out to the people who need the fuel savings and into the hands of people like yourself who can take this performance adder and run with it...literally. I hope this peaks your interest and I can talk to you sometime in the near future. I'm a 48 y/o parts truck driver, for a Mazda/Ford dealership. (11ys.) My family and I are surviving week to week, but we willnever give up, and we will never quit. That's why 12 years later, we're still working on it. I feel that this year... we will succeed! Thanks for your time and may you be blessed always in your endeavours!
@karlt6714
@karlt6714 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting story, thanks for sharing.
@oleksandr9415
@oleksandr9415 Жыл бұрын
Wery interesting channel😊. Glad to see.
@stevesloan6775
@stevesloan6775 Жыл бұрын
Here in Australia during WW1 we had actual burning wood combustion engines. Hot chamber of white hot coals(Hard-wood) getting sucked into a compression chamber. : a)
@jameshatton4211
@jameshatton4211 Жыл бұрын
Good ol Syngas 👍
@211ratsbud
@211ratsbud 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing story. I went through my own implementation of fresh air ALS and revisions with my evo. Never yielded much results. I used a tial 40 something mm for my fresh air valve. Hard to find privateers using more advanced setups than just cracking or kicking the throttle.
@Yaivenov
@Yaivenov Жыл бұрын
So it turns the turbo into a high bypass turbojet. Neat!
@douglang4615
@douglang4615 Ай бұрын
good morning , you channel is amazing , really enjoy watching your progress. question , the maths for your rocket ? where did you get that ? we would like to build one here for an ej 2.5 , perhaps down scaled a bit for our local time attack series . thank you regards doug
@awwshift1228
@awwshift1228 3 жыл бұрын
Did you have any other turbo failures aside from the "doomed run"? Amazing story, I remember seeing it at solo nats that year in 2016 and was in awe of the engineering and development of the whole package.
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, no other failures or issues. I am still using that 2nd turbo
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 2 жыл бұрын
@@Robert_Thorne8 what would you say the top speed you hit ob these short/tight corner autocrosses? Do you go past 150kph/ 90mph?
@aarontully8728
@aarontully8728 3 жыл бұрын
Really cool to listen to this, awesome story. keep it up
@gafrers
@gafrers 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining everything so detailed.👍
@Engrave.Danger
@Engrave.Danger Жыл бұрын
I wonder if stainless steel would have reduced maintenance. I've had some similar cracking issues with the carbon steel pulse jet waste oil heater that I built for my garage. It's definitely time to get myself a tig welder.
@ebdavis1
@ebdavis1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Robert!
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@johnnydangerousilly
@johnnydangerousilly Жыл бұрын
Cool story hansel
@AndyFuntown
@AndyFuntown 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, thanks for sharing!
@markcozzie
@markcozzie Жыл бұрын
Congratulations that was absolutely amazing and really enjoyed that 👋👍. Might seem irrelevant now bt would noz helped at all, smaller rocket, hopefully you'll give it another go very soon please,👍
@Jan_Seidel
@Jan_Seidel 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience :) I am actually considering to build a rocket anti lag for my street car 8D I have 2 questions: 1. at 38:50 you show you heat shielding of the rocket and the manifold. What did you use as heat shielding? I have never seen something similar. 2. is the rocket a pure combustion chamber with no moving parts?
@deadprivacy
@deadprivacy Жыл бұрын
So first you build a furnace , you know like for blacksmithing,? then you detune it so you it doesnt melt the car. what a great story, absolutely ingenious. well done on the win! when you do it again, which you have to obviously, end to end inconel? mitigate the cracking and the header fatigue?
@Freecomments4u
@Freecomments4u Жыл бұрын
this man created hell in his exhaust
@nasuh_won
@nasuh_won Жыл бұрын
Have a supercharger for the purpose to feed air into an air chamber and release the pressure into the turbo when needed.
@Ryousure
@Ryousure 3 жыл бұрын
To supply air to the anit lag....I'm sure you thought about this . But I wonder if you could of repurpose the Ap1 oem air pump. The one used to feed air to the CAT during cold starts.
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
hmm maybe! kinda need high pressure air to move the fresh air valve quick
@agafonovas
@agafonovas 9 ай бұрын
Cool story! 🙂
@YoungBudPRODUCTION
@YoungBudPRODUCTION Жыл бұрын
Hey Rob would you possibly still have the partial throttle data as well? Would love to put it to good use.
@gabegabes6419
@gabegabes6419 Жыл бұрын
This is what rally anti-lag is!
@sammy5576
@sammy5576 5 ай бұрын
can we get a recording of the turbo fully spooled at idle?
@rallyburnzsimracing8571
@rallyburnzsimracing8571 Жыл бұрын
Dude Ur a legend🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@ralphanderson2099
@ralphanderson2099 Жыл бұрын
Hay this is a German idea from WWII. But why not use a oil pressure operation turbo? Just an idea. Hope it lubricants your ideas. Peace.
@hanzgrueber145
@hanzgrueber145 Жыл бұрын
My VW GTI with the DSG transmission holds boost through all shifts. However it doesn’t keep the turbo spooled if you have to let off of the throttle which is inevitable in autocross.
@stevesloan6775
@stevesloan6775 Жыл бұрын
The shape Reminds me of the Formula Ford 1600 Kent headers. There was a period in the late 1980's F1 that utilised trumpets in the exhaust header. Im keen to replicate those headers on my Escort 1600. : )
@aaronfrancois3996
@aaronfrancois3996 5 ай бұрын
I invision a used oil burning jet with a feed durectly at the turbine input aside input from engine. Its an idependent system that holds boost at a certain level regardless. Also uses waste oil. Hydrogen and waste oil feeding into turbine rockets sounds like a fun project
@jph8484
@jph8484 Жыл бұрын
Wow that's all I can say that's is something I understand why you haven't gone back to the rocket and I you really are planning on trying it again you better do it quick because the more time ticks by the harder it becomes age is a M Fer. But you guys are gods that's for sure
@weareallbeingwatched4602
@weareallbeingwatched4602 Жыл бұрын
This is basically a part time gas turbine. You would be well advised to make a turbine housing which has an inlet for the exhaust gas, and a separate combustor can on a specific manifold. You could even put a separate turbine rotor for the cylinder exhaust gas and the combustor can turbine.
@bigreddaman5988
@bigreddaman5988 3 жыл бұрын
Okay now i have to see car with a supercharger belt attached to the driveshaft lol
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
One day
@949RacingSuperMiata
@949RacingSuperMiata 3 жыл бұрын
Epic. Truly.
@DM-wp9vq
@DM-wp9vq 9 ай бұрын
Prodrive created a car, that people could buy, that had an ALS setup back in the mid-2000's. Reference the Top Gear episode that featured it and made Jeremy Clarkson hurl. It had other rad features as well. Like a super advanced Active Torque Sensing center differential and active front and rear diffs, all adjustable with a knob from within the cabin/from the driver's seat.
@12vshady
@12vshady Жыл бұрын
You can build the rocket component using lower grade stainless I'm certain areas and even cast iron if you have an adequate albeit articulate cooling system and set up liquid intercooling
@kermitahnenerbe3722
@kermitahnenerbe3722 Жыл бұрын
Hey very interesting video. Found allmost nothing on YT about this amazing system. Is the use of inconel mandatory for the inside of the rocket ? How much the "rocket" cost ? (i know inconel is not cheap and a good exhaust manifold too 😉)
@justinwolf4614
@justinwolf4614 Жыл бұрын
Sick love the name too❤
@Travelcheap19
@Travelcheap19 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same system running, but with the 1st gen combustion chamber, and peaks at 850 deg during transient throttle
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 3 жыл бұрын
Your system sounds great! Can be difficult for sure. Some days i could get that low, but often it was higher. Smaller turbo helps keep temps down too
@Travelcheap19
@Travelcheap19 3 жыл бұрын
@@Robert_Thorne8 True! i'm running a quite small unit, equivalent to a GTX28
@Freecomments4u
@Freecomments4u Жыл бұрын
this. is. amazing.
@Talibooboo
@Talibooboo 2 жыл бұрын
Secondary injector on the inlet side of the turbo, anti lag valve opens to rocket, fuel goes into rocket premixed with fresh air. Maybe use a diesel injector closer to the rocket even, I’ve heard a few solutions for not running excess fuel through the cylinder. There’s always a way to do anything, just gotta figure it out.
@Aerocarene
@Aerocarene 3 ай бұрын
Hey Robert, do you still happen to have the cad file for that rocket anti lag unit?
@helipilotuh1
@helipilotuh1 Жыл бұрын
Amazing implementation.Did ya’ll end up melting a lot of turbine wheels figuring it out?
@joshtoth-thomas5847
@joshtoth-thomas5847 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing story. Curious to know how this would compare to a more modern and conventional ALS now. Would it give enough of an advantage to warrant the extra maintenance and complexity
@pauljs75
@pauljs75 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. So it's basically running the turbo as a jet engine to keep it spooled and patching in the piston engine to that circuit with a clever bit of valving. (Making a turbo into a jet turbine is an interesting shop challenge in itself, but routing all that and getting it to fit in a car is taking it to another level.)
@goodservices155
@goodservices155 Жыл бұрын
Your system reminds me of the Hyperbar engine.
@markbroad119
@markbroad119 Жыл бұрын
Kinda like a mini pulse jet engine?
@markim5087
@markim5087 Жыл бұрын
The system is meant to be controlled electronically not by air, :)..shame we didn’t connect a while back.l
@narciso19G
@narciso19G Жыл бұрын
I have a good question. Did you feed the fresh air into the rocket from before the intercooler or after the intercooler? I was thinking air from the hot side might of not been as much of a shock to the metal.
@narciso19G
@narciso19G Жыл бұрын
But then again you’re getting it up to 700° so it wouldn’t make a difference.
@Robert_Thorne8
@Robert_Thorne8 Жыл бұрын
Yes pre intercooler, the hotter the better
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