When Tai Chi Works It Looks Awesome 2

We have two more examples of awesome taijiquan. Back is Borja, and we also have another student of Johan's, Persiyan. Let's watch as these two Tai Chi practitioners use different integrations of internal martial arts to win sanda matches. Watch for different takedowns, pushes, and rooting, all while punches and kicks are thrown your way. For those of you who practice Tai Chi, I hope this inspires you. Tai Chi Kuen (aka Tai ji quan) means Supreme Ultimate Fist, so if this style of kungfu truly can function in a ring or cage context, it needs to test itself under pressure that is not just push hands. Looking forward to the discussion and the answers to the funny question at the end!
Clips I analyzed here:
• Semisanda Persi 3er pu...
• Shen Yi Valencia, 1er ...
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Timecodes:
0:00 Tai Chi Persiyan Match 1
1:44 Tai Chi Persiyan Match 2
4:49 Tai Chi Borja Match
8:50 First martial art I ever saw
9:10 When I saw Tai Chi's claims changed
9:43 Another heart to heart with Tai Chi people
10:35 Shoutout Coach Johan
11:07 Funny joke setup for viewers

[@philsuz9649]

nice to see tai chi as a fighting art not just pushing hands ,we can punch and kick using all our body

[@FightCommentary]

I forgot to explain this even though I mentioned this in the video. The reason I got two hours of sleep was because some car in my neighborhood went up in flames at around 4 am. As it burned, its horn also went off for 10 minutes. It was quite a sensory overload for people trying to sleep. Anyways, hope everyone enjoys this video and looking forward to your comments, especially for the fun little question I asked at the end ;)

[@FightCommentary]

And my punchline to the setup at 11:07 4. 3 to argue about the rules and 1 Jake Mace to go off the grid and claim he doesn't need artificial light

[@MaartenSFS]

There’s not many Taiji fighters left and even less of a fighting age. Anyone still willing to put in the time and put up with the hate is a hero!

[@ThunderKungFu]

The putting up with the hate is why I stopped teaching taiji forms and only teach taiji principles and usage in my fighting/sanda classes anymore. It's way more fun without the endless discussions. Talking about fighting with taiji always involves too much true scottsman fallacy

[@MaartenSFS]

@@ThunderKungFu I applied that to my Xinyiliuhequan/Xingyiquan and don’t practise any forms either now. They attract the kind of people that I don’t want to teach.

[@grounddragonmartialarts]

One, but 99 to tell him it's not Taijiquan.

[@lelionnoir4523]

You bet, Doc. 😉

[@ThunderKungFu]

@FightCommentary I'll post another link to another compilation of Borja, Persi, Carles and Sergi that were in previous videos. Here also David, Jesus, Victor and Vicent fighting in different formats, mostly sanda and leitai rules. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHvSm2looNeEp7Msi=-aqY67p3xtReqklY It's a highlight reel so my guys are the ones landing punches, kicks and throws. It's nice that you made me look at these older video and bring back memories. Later I stopped uploading Fight footage as I thought it was enough already.

[@lemyoboi]

It kinda almost looks like MMA.

[@grounddragonmartialarts]

It is MMA, but without the ground.

[@ssths]

Nice to see some good tai chi. Id recommend a guy named Wim Demeere to you. He is a Belgian bronze medal Sanda fighter who specializes in tai chi and applied kung fu principles. he is currently a coach, and does well as far as I can tell.

[@FightCommentary]

I'll take a look. Thanks!

[@ThunderKungFu]

@FightCommentary I just wanted to say thanks for dropping the term Shifu and using coach in your shoutouts. And also that I am already looking forward to part 3 hahaha. Big up to you too, man. Love and respect.

[@FightCommentary]

Any time! Do your current students compete in tournaments like these?

[@ThunderKungFu]

​@@FightCommentarysome of my old students in Spain keep competing in sanda. Muay thai, grappling and MMA although I can't corner them anymore. Here in Belgium just started teaching last November, so no competitors yet. I'm hoping to have the first ones ready towards the year mark of teaching. I'll let you know.

[@fordfella801]

Awesome vid 👍

[@richardschafer7858]

There was a Tai Chi instructor in Fayetteville NC whose students regularly competed in full contact fights. David Chen was his name, and I believe he passed away a couple of years ago. His teacher was Kuo Lien Ying in San Francisco. I trained with David Chen a couple of times when he made it out to CA. He was very strong and highly skilled. Man was a beast.

[@davechesser9062]

David Chen mainly taught hop gar, a strenuous southern kungfu system, and was seriously good at it. He also primarily taught US Army guys since Fayetteville is home to Ft. Bragg which houses Special Forces and 82nd Airborne. I would chalk their success up to those two factors. The taichi was only part of that.

[@kungfugirevik657]

Sifu Chin passed away in October of 2020. I'm glad you got to train with him. Sifu Chin taught Original Yang Tai Chi, for martial applications (as opposed to a health oriented form we also performed), although the other commenter is correct that he also taught Tibetan Hop Gar, which was passed on from Sigung Harry Ng.

[@jaserogers3825]

You don't screw in the light bulb you light it up with chi energy

[@FightCommentary]

That’s a good one!

[@jaserogers3825]

@FightCommentary enjoy your channel. Mate keep up the good work

[@weedniac]

woah Is Persi, i sparred with him, he become a great sanda fighter,I remember wearing a thick dungarees to help him train, and despite the mattress I was holding, I felt my ribs creak. Some years after the video. such a times! thanks for the footage, Johan was a great teach and worked in a huge spectrum of martial sports activities

[@ThunderKungFu]

Hi @weedniac did you train with us at my school in Valencia??

[@FightCommentary]

@@ThunderKungFu he's the one who introduced me to you guys. I'm curious what his story is when it comes to Shen Yi and your students!

[@weedniac]

@@ThunderKungFu In Benimaclet and Campanar, I was one of the oldest students in age and body builder, sometimes you were desperate for my clues, you said I didn't listen 😂

[@ThunderKungFu]

​@@weedniacDavid????

[@weedniac]

@@ThunderKungFu yeah, best regards from spain master, Hope everything is great over there

[@LowKickSlick]

Hmm how many T'ai Chi guys to screw in a light bulb 💡, it's infinite. 1 to screw in the light bulb - the rest are there to tell him he's doing it wrong!!! 😂 Can't wait to see if you'll review some of my own T'ai Chi material. I'm a proponent that T'ai Chi Chuan has a lot of practicality, as I use it in so many variations of practice & competition! Enjoying the material on all of the arts you review!

[@FightCommentary]

Good punchline ;)

[@fordfella801]

Only one, but the lightbulb has to Want to change 😂

[@LowKickSlick]

@@fordfella801 LOL - nice one!

[@LowKickSlick]

​@@fordfella801😂😅😊 good one!

[@lilbearbjj]

Let's go taijiqaun!

[@emptyemptiness8372]

Very little taijiquan if any, a taiji boxer does not bounce around because they have root and clean stepping. This is Sanda in which he applies a little taijiquan but very little....and he doesn't sink when he kicks...and he leans back which are not taijiquan kicks. Taiji boxers don't bounce around

[@FightCommentary]

If you think you can do better, please send us.

[@mengmao5033]

If I were reffing this to sanda rules, I’d call no score on the throw at 2:30. They both land on the floor and the person initially on the bottom has enough momentum to reverse the throw, saying to me the thrower didn’t have enough control

[@tobaman147]

@Fightcommentary how do we send you videos. I have some tai chi from a recent competition. I only hesitate to upload as I dont have everyones names and contacts who were featured.

[@FightCommentary]

Use email or FB.

[@QutraLored]

I Always found Tai-chi with Kajukenbo to be effective, but any kajukenbo student fights from day one. Fluidity and hardness can be relentless in the right hands. Nice pep talk as well. I’ve been doing some experimental stuff that felt pretty inspired, Body compression (Body weights) I train with 110 lb pack on, and work in it outside when ever I can, I also like to utilize short axe, good for cardio and forearm strength. I devised some super efficient workouts that utilize tendon structure to reduce repetitive exercises substantially. I’m pretty sure it works, by working at the end of the tendon you strengthen the whole arm/leg/solar plex ect. at once. The 2 methods I use are mastering constant walking on the ball of the foot (continuous leg gains)-IT BURNS!- And then lastly combining electricity x resistance which makes lifting 5 pounds like lifting 30. That is basicly the whole of the art, it’s signature being the ever nasty irish downpunch. It has a lot of Tai-chi and Kajukenbo from my core learning, but I would love to incorporate more into it.

[@FightCommentary]

Very cool! Show me footage when you’re ready.

[@QutraLored]

@@FightCommentary I have some stuff give me a few.

[@QutraLored]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZqXZGhsntaZarMfeature=shared (Graviton Principles and training)

[@QutraLored]

@@FightCommentary kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5uTlnWtatN4lbMfeature=shared (Superhuman-the-art of the Graviton)

[@QutraLored]

@@FightCommentary kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqPIgYSJh5eCbrcfeature=shared (muscle define/conditioning)

[@kungfugirevik657]

Whether or not Tai Chi is a grappling art depends on who you ask, and what style(s) they have observed, who the teacher was, and whether or not the teacher knew how to use Tai Chi in a martial context. In my own experience, having practiced Original Yang Tai Chi, I would define Tai Chi as primarily focused on grappling, though with enough striking to make it a balanced martial art.

[@user-zr1dr7nz8e]

Have you ever seen a lineage master? It's a completely different thing.

[@mengmao5033]

“They don’t shoot low” because there’s a much higher disincentive to touch the ground with your hands. In a ruleset where you only get max score for a takedown when you stay standing, you wanna come in with more buffer against getting snapped down or sprawled on

[@gancho030169]

It is interesting, but I can not see Tai Chi here. I see kickboxing +some wrestling, or nowadays, they call it MMA. Also, both boxers are moving as boxers with short jumps and using a lot of long distance kicks. There is no sticking to opponent or relaxation in hits with a fist. When the man gets into the opponent he is using simple wrestling technics to get him out of ballance.

[@tommcqueen3145]

😐 That Not internal martial arts

[@FightCommentary]

If you think you can do better, I'm always down to feature you.

[@morpheus3128]

Correlation does not imply causation. If your goal is to defend yourself in a real fight, then Tai Chi should not be on your list.

[@athenry]

Why is it that all these "traditional martial arts", when they are "used right", look like sloppy kickboxing or sloppy mma? If I train taiji, my training (the form, push hands, etc) will look pretty much nothing like sparring or fighting. Whereas if I train boxing, kickboxing, or mma, my training will look almost identical to the sparring and fighting. So it seems like traditional martial arts seem to be focused on nonfunctional and non-efficient training methods that for the most part have nothing to do with developing actual fighting ability.

[@mengmao5033]

Traditional martial arts had conditioning, strength, and balance drills that overlapped with forms. Modern combat sports vary more in these auxiliary drills, but they tend to be familiar, like weight lifting, sled pushing, throwing medicine balls, etc. What you consider techniques are to some degree drills supporting the fighting

[@athenry]

What I am saying is that when I learn how to jab, cross, hook, round kick, etc, I am learning the very thing that will be applied in sparring and fighting. When I learn single whip or splitting fist, I am NOT learning the very thing that will be applied in sparring or fighting. Performing 5 element linking form does not prepare me for sparring or fighting. Performing footwork andstriking drills or shadowboxing DOES prepare me for sparring or fighting. See what I mean here?@@mengmao5033

[@athenry]

Once again, I posted a totally non-political, non-controversial reply and youtube decided to ghost it. Almost makes it not worth leaving comments if the algorithm is just going to "decide" to make comments disappear...@@mengmao5033

[@MrAlepedroza]

You seem to be really new to this channel. There's plenty trad martial arts out there that look nothing like mainstream kickboxing....and MMA is not a martial art, bud.

[@athenry]

You must be new to actually fighting. Whenever "traditional martial artists" incorporate sparring or full contact competition they begin to look like kickboxing or mma. Ergo, many of the traditional arts do NOT actually train the movements needed for fighting, but instead are stuck in an unrealistic bubble in which "techniques" are developed that have little or no real world application. By the way, MMA is "mixed martial arts", bud.@@MrAlepedroza

[@garysnowdon1918]

How many easy CHI

[@metalzonemt-2]

-How many Tai Chi fighters does it take to change the light bulb? -Zero. Xu Xiaodong changes it for them.

[@LowKickSlick]

😂😅😊 lol!!!

[@ExoTheDrakoXIII]

Most of the negative examples you listed are western or more accurately American martial artists that are overly aggressive, disrespectful, and yes worry about Flat Earth important things but it's all about the money and attention for them so they'll never understand keep up the good work I like your videos just found tho... subscribed

[@user-sc1vu3li3x]

I am master m artial art kung fu Chinese 8th degree dung ducnguyen Florida u s a

[@clouddragon8673]

Good Tai Chi Chuan

[@BD90..]

Looks like sumo for skinny people

[@M_K-Bomb]

On the topic of Jiu-Jitus cringe. Yeah, I really hate how cocky and full of themselves BJJ guys can be. It's like, yeah, I get it you can fight really well on the ground in grappling which most other arts don't train for. But, can you just get over the fact that not everyone wants to train to roll around with someone on the ground? The majority of the time you are training and not actually in a fight. So let's priorities how you want to spend your time.

[@NickVanos]

Are you being payed to be positive about certain *cultural* subject matters😅 Okay I heard you say it's still not your favorite 👌😁👌 Love your channel though 🙏

[@FightCommentary]

If you know of anyone who would pay for me to feature their art, especially if they want an honest feedback, let me know.

[@NickVanos]

@@FightCommentary I'm from the Netherlands and practice kickboxing myself. How much would you ask to review a video of a match? I am going to sleep now it's 00:44 at midnight so i will read your response in 7 hours.

[@FightCommentary]

Just saw your channel@@NickVanos Do you train Dutch kickboxing or another form of kickboxing?

[@NickVanos]

@@FightCommentary dutch kickboxing only, now for over 10 years.

[@MrCBTman]

Yet another condescending title. You could say the same thing about any martial art, including BJJ & Muay Thai.

[@FightCommentary]

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