Crosby is Furious at the Penguins

[@RobTalksHockey]

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[@skinnie2838]

The NHL is losing money again with them constantly pushing this woke leftist identity politics nonsense on us.

[@esperago]

Love your content but broseph, the subject matter within the title of this video is not included in the actual video. I clicked your video because you indicated there is a development in the Crosby/Pens situation and I wanted to find out this big news. You lied and click baited us. Why do that when you already have ace content? It has a tarnishing effect.

[@whitneysmiltank]

Good video but Crosby is 37, not 39!

[@Dev3000]

I noticed that right away, I'm exactly 2 years older than Crosby, and I'm 39, so that didn't add up

[@kurtwpg]

Also the info on Karlsson's cap hit is all over the road but never exactly correct.

[@lordvasileLive]

@@Dev3000 At least a have a better avatar dude! I'm older than Karlsson by a few months but still my favourite d man growing up besides Ľubomír Višňovský.

[@JB-1184]

@@kurtwpg Resembles his play also..

[@KillerCroconaw]

@@lordvasileLiveWho cares what someone’s avatar is? Let it go.

[@deliverypickle5889]

I’d love to look into the alternate universe where Ovi and Sid both got drafted by the pens. Never realized how close it was to happening

[@chrispswann6825]

In the 2006 draft they drafted Jordan Staal 2nd overall, one spot ahead of Jonathan Toews. They could have had Crosby, Malkin and Toews as their top three centers!

[@EmEightz22]

How cups do y'all think they would've had together?

[@Mach141]

Malkin is better than Ovi, no thanks, would not want to see that happen as a pens fan

[@NatPat-yj2or]

Just because they are both good players, it doesn't mean they would play good TOGETHER. It's all about chemistry.

[@LordBitememan]

This sounds so much like the latter years of Ken Holland and the Red Wings: bad trades, terrible drafting, bad free agent signing, trying to stay "competitive" while driving the team towards a needed rebuild that he could never commit to.

[@edenisburning]

The difference is the lottery system. The Wings had to try and rebuild under the worst lottery system ever. The league changed that system because of how badly it screwed Detroit. The Pens will now go on to benefit from this. Instead of a Wings rebuild where the highest we drafted was 4th, the Pens will be get Gavin McKenna next year.. and I'll be absolutely disgusted.

[@TheJimmyStDenisShow]

@@edenisburning the lrague has been fucking with detroit for years

[@stoozii74]

​@@TheJimmyStDenisShowwhich is weird because that franchise is legendary

[@Nichaelas]

@@edenisburning To make matters worse that 4th pick was off of one of the worst seasons in league history and Detroit had the highest chance of drafting 1st. And then Chicago gets a generational talent like Bedard gifted to them right after they moved on from their franchise players and recent success, while Detroits been in the leagues basement for years now. I still think Bedard should be wearing the Winged Wheel, don't care that the odds were low. The one positive is that Raymond looks like he's one of the best players from that draft they got screwed in.

[@edenisburning]

@Nichaelas That's this teams primary issue. They never got the top of the draft talent rebuilding teams need. Instead, they got a 4th, 6ths, and 8th-9th overalls. It's impossible to describe how badly the lottery screwed the Wings. You can't build a contender out mid 1st round picks while other teams instantly get top of the draft talent over and over. The Sharks instantly get Smith (4th) and Celebrini (1st.) The Hawks instantly get Bedard (1st overall) and Levshunov (2nd overall.) The Ducks instantly get McTavish (3rd overall,) Carlsson (2nd overall,) and Sennecke (3rd overall.) The Habs never even bottom out and get Kotkaniemi (3rd).. then they bottom out and get Slafkovsky (1st overall,) and 2 conservative 5th overalls in Demidov and Reinbacher. Over an 8 year span, the Sabres drafted Reinhart (2nd overall,) Eichel (2nd overall,) Dahlin (1st overall,) Powers (1st overall.) The Devils sucked and immediately cashed in by drafting Hischier (1st overall,) J. Hughes (1st overall,) L. Hughes (4th overall,) Nemec (2nd overall.) The Wings, at their worst.. got two 9th overalls, three 6th overalls, an 8th overall, and the grand daddy.. a 4th overall. Heck the Rangers landed a 2nd overall and 1st overall during our rebuild... and they were good. So that's the issue and I don't see any way to fix it, short of trading all the vets worth a shit and playing all the youth. TheN sucking this year and next year, taking advantage of the new lottery system. That would give us the top of the lineup, game breaking talent that we have very little of. If we landed a 1st overall this year or next, we could draft a franchise 1C, allowing Larkin to play as 2C. That alone changes everything.

[@Furiousme]

Whole video with no word saying Crosby is Furious at the Penguins. The author is.

[@Traumatree]

1982: 8.02 goal/game 2004: 5.12 goal/game 8.02 - 5.12 = 2.9" : the size augmentation of the goaler's equipment in ALL directions + height of the goalie increase + stick now weight 2.9lbs less...

[@Cookie5802]

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head, mate!

[@v4v819]

Less is more... There was no highlight goals back then the goaltenders were out to lunch...

[@boljdurk8790]

There is 12 months to a year, and 52 weeks in a year. 52-12=40 which is exactly the age crosby will be in 3 years. 3 you ask? yes, that is the number of all good things. This is significant because exactly 3 tears (close enough to years) will roll down my eyes when I read you comment and the idiots agreeing with you. kthanksbye

[@3in24]

@@boljdurk8790 it's not that deep princess.

[@dhunter1133]

You're right about the bad acquisitions, but we cannot overlook that the Pens could NEVER start a proper rebuild out of deference to Crosby. The rebuild should've been underway no later than 2020. That Malkin and Letang were both re-signed is a testament to the lengths the Pens would go to make Sid happy. There is also the fact that for all the superlatives we can attach to Crosby's name, "vocal leader" is not one of them. Crosby is long known for leading by example and will not chew people out - again, see: Malkin - for subpar effort. And while Crosby spent long stretches playing his heart out, few others did, knowing that they wouldn't be held accountable by their captain.

[@alargefarva4274]

Dropping Dubas was one of Toronto’s best moves in the last few years

[@MRAIClassroom]

Pens fans still defend him too like he’s gonna get them out of this mess he’s a joke

[@ifubuildit]

I'm a true Pens fan, and I do not defend him. He wanted to prove himself so badly with that stupid Karlson move that's he's moved the rebuild up to this year

[@mpleleafs34]

Worst GM in the nhl,he couldn't manage a minor hockey team

[@alargefarva4274]

@@mpleleafs34 never thought Brad T would make such a good fit in TO. Love what he’s done on D and G

[@alargefarva4274]

@ so overrated. He got fake street cred for drafting Matthews as if there was a better option.

[@jonmendelson1104]

A couple of minor notes. You said Karlsson's 11M contract is holding the Pens back. His contract is 11.5M but the Pens are on the hook for 10M since the Sharks had some retention. Aside from that, they dumped some bad cap the other way to the point where they actually saved space the first couple of years. This year and last they saved 4.6875M (after retention) from Petry, 5M from Granny, 2.75M from Rutta. Last year they also had DeSmith gone for 1.8M savings. That means they saved 4.2375M last year and 2.4375M this year with taking on EK65. You also said the Sharks took Dickinson with that pick. They used that pick and the second they acquired in the Timo Meier trade to move up from 14 to 11 to get Dickinson.

[@JRAMUSIC88]

Yeah this is spot on. The EK trade obviously didn’t pan out, but we dumped a bunch of players we were stuck with at the time in exchange for him

[@jonmendelson1104]

@@JRAMUSIC88 And as a Sharks fan I'll continue to thank Pens fans for dumping Granlund's contract. He's been fantastic for us. Not just great offensively where he's about a PPG in his time here, but great defensively, always gives a ton of effort, kills penalties, and is great in the locker room. I understand that he gets more opportunities here than he'd get other places, but he's a player the fans are questioning if we should trade him or if we should do everything we can to re-sign him (though the consensus is if we do, not for more than about three years).

[@jerryrick4685]

He deserves better than Kyle dubas as a GM

[@dtgpsinc.4289]

Dubas is not just GM, he is President of Hockey operations. The Pens are in for a long run of hurt, just as the Maple Leafs endured under Dubas.

[@beneasler8868]

The timeline of various trades is spoken out of order here but you summed it up pretty well. The worst part about trading away all the young talent is that they probably wouldn't have achieved their potential on the Pens anyways. Outside of Guentzel and Rust we don't nuture and develop young talent and every player we aquire young or old plays worse with us for some reason

[@wqrriorc8539]

10:33 - This trade was made as result of the expansion draft. Pittsburgh was unable to protect McCann, so traded him to at least get something, knowing he'd be taken anyways. Toronto also wasnt able to protect him, and thus got taken. While protecting Kapanen and Blueger over McCann was certainly a choice, the trade does have more context than just being moved for nothing.

[@camstevenson1580]

He seems to be intentionally leaving out the context of a majority of these trades. Marino and Genztel were both cap casualties.

[@rantanen1]

@@camstevenson1580 he literally said Guentzel couldnt be retained due to salary cap. Did you pay attention?

[@James-nv1wf]

Wait Karlsson makes 11 mil and ppl are bitching about Marner.

[@davidsnoek-degroot7596]

I mean let’s not forget the drop off in scoring was largely of the nhls’s own making. I don’t know how many people remember but the talk in the late 80’s and early nineties was that scoring was completely out of hand and that something had to be done to protect the integrity of the game. So the nhl eliminated the 2 line pass and started to ignore the clutching and grabbing that became prolific in the late nineties and early aughts.

[@GreekboyyD]

Why would he be furious? He wanted Malkin, Letang and Sullivan back and he signed for 2 more years thinking they could still win.

[@ElmSt1984]

Not only does the NHL really know how to promote its stars,but they never seem to understand that scoring is what people want to see. I miss the 80's and early 90's sooooo much. I mean,in 1993 the Pens had 4 100 pt scorers alone! These days you don't see hardly any games with 8 or 9 goals scored. And the Pens clearly needed to rebuild 3-4 years ago,but decided to still stick with an aging Sid,Geno and Letang. Now,they're paying the price.

[@evb-t7r]

I agree people like seeing scoring, but it also can ruin games as well. It puts too much emphasis on the star players and not the team as whole, with the salary cap, youd end up with a couple good players and a dumpster fire team if scoring was what it was in the 80s. For the most part, the system the NHL has in place now is pretty well rounded. The game is getting more physical again, scoring is up, but not ridiculously so, it takes an entire team to win, not just a few players. (outside of the net, a bad goalie is very hard to compensate for)

[@oldhab7890]

I wondered why the Penguins would hire Dubas but your review of past GM moves answers the question. I hope Dubas trades their first round pick for Kirby Dach and imediately signs him to an 8 year - 13 million per contract with of course a NMC. Even Gretzky ended his career on a pretty sad team. Crosby will be remembered as a great for what he has done, not what he will do.

[@spewtube-m1p]

One of the key reasons why Points/Goals are down is the players between the pipes. The coaching is better, equipment is better, the goalies are in better condition and are for the most part Bigger. There are fewer places to shoot.

[@easternsasquatch]

But not howdy are there still some barn burner nights... like when the Pens got a touchdown and a field goal scored against them.

[@RobTalksHockey]

After what I just went over, does Crosby have any hope of playoffs with the Penguins?

[@Brooksie10]

Absolutely not

[@rags15061]

Not this year. They suck and I'm depressed.

[@KristianWontroba]

Nope

[@jfkst1]

None. It's a rebuild and they won't be good until he's retired.

[@lordvasileLive]

Mikey needs to go Bye Bye

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

No, Erik Karlssons defensive deficiencies are his own. But they are exacerbated by the bad moves from management.

[@Earboo]

Bro knew what he was doing putting 9-11 score😂

[@vepsuu106]

Wdym

[@turkeykaiser]

Pens have been rebuilding since March, they just won't say it. None of this matters. Also, putting unnecessary glow on some of those trades. That GUSTAVSSON trade was made in 2018 when they had a rookie goalie that had just won two back to back Stanley Cups and desperately needed a third line center. Matheson is terrible on defense and had to be sheltered while he was in Pittsburgh. His contract was considered the worst in the NHL at the time. Letting go of Marino and McCann is indefensible. And finally Guentzel was traded away to start the rebuild. I'm not going to fault Dubas for the Karlsson trade because it got rid of a pair of absolutely terrible contracts and opened up cap space. One terrible contract instead of two is great. Not to mention Karlsson was coming off a Norris trophy year. The big problem is that they won't part ways with Sullivan, but again it's only a problem if you aren't in a rebuild. Which they are.

[@camstevenson1580]

The guentzel trade was not meant to start the rebuild. It was to save cap space and hope bunting turns into hornqvist. Also we had to let Marino go for cap reasons

[@dbecker33]

I personally don’t think Guentzel was going to re-sign as well. It’s better to trade him, than gamble on signing and lose him for nothing.

[@WilliamTheHeretic]

92-93 Lemieux was on pace for 224 points - 97 goals and 127 assists.

[@Jmooooney]

Crosby passed someone their stick perfectly from the ice with his stick with a scoop 🤯

[@TangoDelta8111]

Which is also illegal, altho so cool😂😂😂

[@sokoninaruu]

@@TangoDelta8111 Wasn't a penalty when it happened.

[@TangoDelta8111]

@ I thot he did get a penalty. I guess I just remember the commentators talking about it being a penalty then. Sure was a slick move tho 😜

[@landanthompson7056]

Desperate need for a goalie? Desperate for someone to NOT give up odd man breaks. Terrible positioning. Terrible puck decisions.

[@Dev3000]

2029 Second round pick Nic Robertson?

[@devipaduka]

If Sid doesn't get another cup in Pittsburgh, the league should pay him like 100 mill retirement bonus - they can't shaft him like this...

[@JB-1184]

The only person shafting sid is dubas and sullivan..

[@JoelER78]

I don't feel bad for Sid, he's already won 3 Cups, better than the majority of players in their careers. Although, if he asks for a trade, they should give it to him.

[@devipaduka]

@@JoelER78 He could have had a 4th cup, though, which is a big differentiator at the end of his career, right? and Sid doesn't seem the type to ditch the Pens, not after the example Mario set?

[@thomasdidymus1393]

Just move on and trade Cosby to wherever he wants to go...Pittsburgh just start your rebuild and stfu

[@FC-tq1yj]

Rob... the 'dead puck era' is actually the 'lacross goalie equipment/crease rule era.' I believe it was Garth Snow who finally got the league to implement goalie pad and other equipment size restrictions. Since Jacque Plante first put on the mask... the size of goalie equipment exponentially increased (like 500-1000%+) until the league started putting restrictions on equipment size. Let's not forget the Lacross crease rule... this also drastically impacted scoring... Truth is... Betman, for all his faults, you gotta give the man credit for his approach to tinkering with the game of hockey... never afraid to make changes... equally not afraid to revert back if the change didn't work. I don't like Betman overall, however, no other person has altered the game of hockey more... one could almost say Betman created the current modern form of hockey.

[@lordvasileLive]

yes someone with common sense to think more scoring was not because of just the Gretzky eras. The equipment's does in fact play a part on how insane those legends were at putting up points in buckets. Imagine if Crosby was born in that era alongside other stars in todays game! I don't think Gretzky record would hold out at all. Gretzky would be like a McDavid if he was young again, but biggest differences is Gretzky was skinny and lanky compared to McDavid. Now if we threw out the records dating back to when equipment began to change whether in 1990's or such who would have the highest point totals now? Compare Gretzky +- differences to Ovechkin +- and we know why the NHL was Easier to score back than. I might do the Math & have a different All time leaders.

[@lordvasileLive]

Everyone was protecting Gretzky back than as well. So he had more TIME and Space than ANYONE ELSE in todays game. Imagine if Scott Stevens or Matt Cooke took a hit on Gretzky.

[@michaelshields6326]

Yes, and as we've seen with the restrictions put in place for goalies after 16/17 and 17/18 scoring has started exploding again.

[@RobynCorkran]

Crosby would make a deadline move to the Avalanche if the Penguins were horrible and the Avs needed a top 6 forward for the playoffs but the Avs have a great top 6 and Joe Sakic has made so many good trades.

[@lelouchvibritannia4028]

As an Avs fan, I live Sid, but we don't need him unless Dubas is dumb enough to sell him to us for much less than he's worth.

[@drewv1747]

There’s some context missing on the McCann trade. They traded him because they couldn’t protect him in the expansion draft. So Toronto traded for him, didn’t protect him and lost him in the expansion draft.

[@RobTalksHockey]

For sure, but I don’t think it matters. The Penguins protected Kapanen (who they would shortly send down on waivers), Duomolin, and Teddy Blueger over McCann.

[@emmittmatthews8636]

What's hilarious is that Hextall traded McCann for what turned into ....nothing, and still lost Tanev in the expansion draft. 😂😂😂 "Woah woah woah!!! We can't lose McCann for nothing! I have an idea! Let's trade him for nothing AND lose another guy for nothing!!" -Hextall basically

[@emmittmatthews8636]

​@@RobTalksHockeyHextall flat out ruined this team. So terrible

[@darrenbc6751]

​@@emmittmatthews8636 You're not wrong but 15 mil for Jarry and Karlson isn't helping either

[@emmittmatthews8636]

@darrenbc6751 Yeah, Dubas isn't helping. I like some of his smaller moves like picking up more picks, but we're just screwed with these terrible contracts now.

[@VaderQC]

Robertson was drafted in 2029?

[@holofech9744]

in fairness to the mccann trade it was because he was going to be picked up in the seattle expansion draft

[@charles-etiennedumas3144]

Karlsson trade is a good one even if karlsson isn’t great defensively. Dubas gave the sharks almost all the bad contrat from the Hextall era. The end of Rutherford and Hextall are to blame for the pens downfall. Granlund was awful with the pens

[@jfkst1]

Not great for Pens as they are rebuilding now and gave up a first and second to make the deal happen.

[@maxrates]

The Sharks turned that Pens 1st into Sam Dickinson, a great prospect. Something the Pens wish they had now

[@jfkst1]

@maxrates Untrue. A second and the PIT first were sent to Buffalo to move up for Dickinson. So no chance PIT would have him.

[@Dylligraphy]

The Karlsson trade was the death knell for the Crosby era. Funny how every team Erik Karlsson’s on ends up at the bottom from Ottawa to SJ to the Pens. Never should’ve won a Norris, it’s become a joke award given to Dmen who defend the least and cheat for offence the most. “When I go to market, I'm going to get what I'm worth, and it's going to be no less, no matter where I'm going.” Bad ego, bad teammate, and it’s no coincidence the Pens have given up by far the most goals this season with Karlsson on the top pairing. Nick Lidstrom he is not.

[@jfkst1]

@@Dylligraphy Karlsson also played a key role in OTT and SJS making conference finals so to claim he never played on good teams is wrong.

[@arobarpics]

They are a defensively irresponsible. I'm a Letang fan but he gives up more scoring chances than many. Also, as much of a legacy that Sullivan has built, maybe it's time. They are embarrassing themselves and at the expense of Crosby.

[@Hushoo]

I expected to hear his name at least once this video. But it's easier to point fingers at Karlsson

[@theScotian24]

"Defensive kryptonite" makes no sense

[@michaelshields6326]

It was time for Sullivan to go after they got swept by the Islanders and lost the play in to the Habs. It's quite honestly ridiculous he still has his job at this point.

[@robinhoodwinker8621]

To be fair, not many people actually expected Washington to stay competitive despite their aging core (not an unlike situation to Pittsburgh). Some clever management went into that.

[@MichaelOConnor53]

Crosby is born in 87, do the math. He obviously isn't 39

[@SpaceShot]

Nice to revisit this history... At least NBC Sports was willing to show every NHL playoff game without preemption. ESPN may have more viewers but thinks of the NHL as their least interesting broadcast rights.

[@bobbyellis5006]

It will never happen, but I'd love to see Boston trade for him, somehow. I think Boston has the tools available on its roster now to win, but needs a legitimate top line center. And, the fun thing there is that Boston is setting itself up to need a full-on rebuild in the next few seasons, so Crosby gets the benefit of coming into a team that currently has the tools to win now, the desperation to push them to it before their window truly closes.

[@schampookungen2201]

Filip Gufstofsson? Thats a new one😅

[@XTotter5505]

The Guentzel trade wasn’t bad, we got prospects out of it and we’re able to get Michael Bunting who has been playing top 6 minutes minutes and pace for like 60 points this season

[@MichaelOConnor53]

He gets top six minutes because the Penguins no longer have any elite wigners. Rust and Rakkell are good players, but let's not pretend that they are anywhere near top line players at this stage of their careers. Rust is 32 now and ahs never reached 60 points in a season. Rakkell is now 31 and has only reached 60 points one time since becoming a Penguin. These guys are okay, but you need some top end talent to play on the top line. Guentzel was that guy, and they could easily have Letang run the top PP alone and have one of their lost prospects filling the hole on the back end. If the Pens could somehow make Karlssons contract disappear, they would do it in a heartbeat and run Pickering in his place. The mismanagement of this team is obvious. The team was so desperate to win during this Crosby era that they overlooked the fact that they were trading for bums instead of getting some young talent to play alongside Sid and Malkin. Desperation created an environment where management dropped the ball on nearly every decision they made.

[@XTotter5505]

@ bro, Rakell has been on the team for like 3 years, and Bunting is one of our highest scoring players, is much younger than Guentzel and went a point per game last year with us

[@theScotian24]

So Guentzel for Bunting & a prayer 😂🎉

[@XTotter5505]

@@theScotian24 people can’t complain that the Penguins aren’t committing to the rebuild and need to get rid of the old players for younger ones and now it’s a bad deal. Make up your mind

[@maryfrancis2328]

Oh, I’m depressed. Please tell me it’s not going to end with Sidney Crosby on this terrible team. Gone threw a lot of years here in Pittsburgh with bad Penguin teams but this year is particularly painful. It can’t end this way for Sid. I really despise this Boston ownership.

[@dereksendrak]

As a life long penguins fan…this season and last two years have been awful too watch! The Fenway group is too blame as well! They only care about $$$$ not winning. Under their organization pens have been awful

[@coastaku1954]

As a Knights fan, I'm super happy you mentioned Sam Dickinson, and showed his electrifying game tying and hat trick goal! I'm a season ticket holder and I got to see that goal live, that 9,000 seat arena was so loud, it was awesome!

[@RobTalksHockey]

He’s special and it wouldn’t have been surprising if he went as high as #5-6 in the draft. Sharks got a steal in him

[@coastaku1954]

@@RobTalksHockey Especially since he leads the team in points and goals, has 2 hat tricks this season, and leads the OHL in points by a defencemen!

[@donairsauce2496]

would be 'fewer points' not 'less points'

[@chrislaverick6413]

It does seems that dubas is always maxing out his cap

[@roguewavecreative]

There is that old adage that front office should front office and players should play. I rememeber when the blackhawks were starting to show they were going to rebuild Patrick Kane came out and said if you sign this or that we are close. It was not the case. Whether they have a team even close to what they had in the 2010’s you never know. That said it kinda surprises me that Crosby even slightly thought this team could compete. They needed to start rebuilding probably 3? yrs ago. Getting Karlsson was the silliest thing and this is only going to get worse as what can you really do. Also let’s be real. As you have seen with teams like Buff, Ott a rebuild is no sure thing thst the team will make the playoffs. The nhl with a true cap and the weird point system makes it really hard. It just does. They are reallyin a tough spot.

[@tombarr949]

Pittsburgh was a boat anchor to the NHL and the NHL upped revenue sharing to keep Pittsburgh and other small market teams afloat. The game can attribute more of its success to the success of Detroit, Colorado, Anaheim, Boston, Chicago and the Florida teams I don't appreciate the way excessive respect is give to Crosby while he was surrounded by top picks that magically fell to the Pens: Ryan Whitney (5), Marc-Andre Fleury (1), Evgeni Malkin (2), Sidney Crosby (1), Jordan Staal (2). Sidney had the luxury of assisting a lot of good goal scorers while opposing defenses had to spread their efforts against a second top line with a star who has similar numbers to Crosby while playing PRIMARILY on the second line. And imagine if it was Ovechkin surrounded by all those top picks. And BTW, how many Cups has Crosby won without Fleury in the room? Yeah that guy that took Vegas to the finals in its first year.

[@bobross1550]

He's won 2 without Fleury.

[@tombarr949]

@@bobross1550 Fleury was a Cup winner in 2009, 2016, and 2017. What two years did Crysby win it without him? BTW, you should checkout Jake Guetzal's stats before and after the trade to Carolina. He jumped from a point a game to 1.4, his plus minus jump to +16 over 17 games versus +9 over 50 games, and he did this with 3 minutes less per game. I guess he was carrying Crosby or at least making 87 look better.

[@nAricxd]

@10:50 its Matias Maccelli not MATTIAS MECCELLI ffs

[@oddity4all2see]

The NHL will never suffer again. The players keep getting better and better

[@neeltheother2342]

All of those bad drafts and trades mentioned were either JR's or Hextall's doing, not Dubas. Kyle has been good so far at trading players at value and getting rid of anchors left by Hextall. Really the only miss Dubas has done was the Graves signing. The EK65 trade was necessary to get rid of the Granlund contract.

[@jonmendelson1104]

As a Sharks fan, thank you for "getting rid of" the Granlund contract. He's been amazing here.

[@sokoninaruu]

@@jonmendelson1104 Because he gets all the ice he wants. Who's really gonna take 1C on the Sharks at the moment? He's obviously not a bad player but the penguins needed a top 6 shooter that deadline, not a 3C pass first guy.

[@camstevenson1580]

@@sokoninaruuthank you. Why are people acting like grandlund isn’t just stat padding

[@Slipings]

i would hate to see crosby on the Avs

[@ICLight412]

This is heard of, Tom Brady was never the highest paid QB in the NFL. He took less while being able to being paid the highest. These guys want to win, understand they’re getting paid already, build a better team around them is key. Honestly how much money does one need to live comfortably? I think Sid is good. Sucks our Pens this bad. Knew it get rough but not like this.

[@bigmac7920]

Most of these issues stemmed from Hextall. I get the Karlsson trade at the time but it never panned out

[@chrispswann6825]

Trivia question: Crosby and Ovechkin were nominated for the Calder Trophy in 2006. Who was the third nominee?

[@allanhazle-VideoGuy]

Dion Phaneuf

[@codeman99-dev]

Crosby should have left. Everyone in Pittsburgh was ready for it to happen. Montreal or Colorado for sure.

[@bjornjonsson7037]

Crosby can pick and choose to leave anytime he wants

[@arobarpics]

Agreed. And I think it's time. Management isn't doing anything to improve.

[@neeltheother2342]

What is there to improve when their draft pool and current roster are so poor that nobody is willing to sell to the Pens? You can't aquire stars and value players for nothing. A rebuild is the only way.

[@davechrenek8220]

I’m not exactly a fan of Crosby, but hate seeing what’s going on over there. He should be on playoff team of some sort,.. granted if he’s not in Vancouver I hope he stays in the eastern conference.

[@Stanley-PaulDelorme]

Sid needs to come home to Canada and play for one of Canada's Teams.

[@alexrompen805]

Crosby needs to realize the window for the Pens is closed.....they are cooked and need a full rebuild, end of story. Either he takes a trade to another contender for a shot at a Cup or he accepts the fact he will be a mentor to young kids on the Pens, there's no other option at this point. Welcome to the Dubass era Pittsburgh, we in Toronto tried to warn you.

[@gradyrm237]

Wait. At what point did Cindy get furious??

Would it be farfetched to think that the guys that took over the team and made it the dumpster fire it is compared to what it used to be, were hired/ paid by other organizations to dismantle that dominant team for their benefit? I wouldn't think that's too crazy of an assumption. Getting paid to slowly and systematically dismantle a great team that couldn't be stopped, while also being paid by said team to try to make it better. I mean, for anyone greedy enough to do something like that I think it would be a win/win situation. Just as long as they aren't exposed. In that situation they would probably either be killed before they could talk or be sued for a nice chunk of wages while still coming out on top financially, you'd think. Idk, I'm sort of just rambling now with my fingers. I love my new keyboard; this thing is smooth as hell. lol

[@Brooksie10]

I love your videos man been a fan since 2019

[@RobTalksHockey]

Appreciate ya

[@CJH-zx3cp]

Right, it was because of Crosby that the league landed the huge rogers TV contract.

[@RobTalksHockey]

After declining viewership/revenue, Crosby and Ovechkin instantly boosted NHL rating leading to the Rogers contract. Before them, believe it or not they were struggling to get a contract, hence the OLN deal

[@doorgoo]

Now I wonder if Crosby signed a lower two year to keep them flexible and see if they get some real draft picks with a “dive” then he can either sign another extension to pass the torch like Lemieux did for him or he can just retire or frankly move to a competitor. But he’s really trying to stay in Pittsburgh

[@WarioSaysSo]

For me, it hurt still that Penguins choose to not keep Fleury and let him go in order to put there faith in Murray (!) But man did the Hextall years put wounds in the Penguins with all those bad trades and draft losses.

[@camstevenson1580]

They put their faith in Murray*** he had two cups as a rookie any team would have made the same move

[@WarioSaysSo]

@@camstevenson1580 Oh sorry, that is correct!

[@davidreynolds6718]

The Pens traded away 8 of their most recent 12 first round draft picks. Crosby was likely consulted on all these moves. They sacrificed their future for him, but now that it didn't work out, Canadian fans feel entitled for Crosby to get traded away from the scorched Earth that he - in all likelihood - had a hand in.

[@abowla7187]

In the Penguins owners defense, other than Guentzel and McCann (sparsely) none of these other guys they traded away did shit in Pittsburgh......

[@michaelshields6326]

When all the players you trade begin playing well elsewhere, and all of the players you trade for go downhill once they join your team, that should tell you something about your team and it's coaching. Sullivan has big problems with maximizing his player's abilities. And I wouldn't say Matheson didn't do anything here. He had his warts, but he would easily be our 3rd best defensemen right now. Marino was a very solid defender as well.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Exactly. It’s also worth noting that they routinely traded players before hitting their prime years. This is specifically important to note when talking about defensemen

[@nadaduo1765]

No one disrespected Crosby it's just incompetence and everything you mentioned was either Rutherford or Hextall, all Dubas did was trade for Karlsson which looks bad in hindsight but hindsight is a wonderful thing, you can't be a contender for 20 years straight

[@camstevenson1580]

Rutherford got them two cups

[@nadaduo1765]

@@camstevenson1580 rutherford also had prime crosby, malkin, letang and fleury

[@camstevenson1580]

@@nadaduo1765 ah yes none of the trades he made helped. Every time a team has 4 good players the automatically win the cup. Also we can ignore the fact letang was hurt for the entirety of the 2017 playoffs

[@nadaduo1765]

@@camstevenson1580 he literally had two generational centers in their prime, dubas has those same two players now at they're 37 and 38 years old you made a stupid comparison bro, just own it lol

[@camstevenson1580]

@@nadaduo1765 not saying it’s dubas fault, people blaming him ritherford when he was the reason they went back to back is crazy. He traded rob scuderi for Daley, Shultz for the third, and traded Neal for hornqvist

[@marquisduhsade]

It will be legendary when Crosby teaches the next generational player, a la what Lemieux did

[@marin_real_estate_photography]

Seems like at the time, a lot of Pens fans (and hockey pundits in general) were pretty happy with the trade for EK65. Also, i think the Sharks are retaining $1.5M of his contract, so I guess the cap hit is actually lower than the $11.5M salary. But in the end, I would say he has been a near complete bust for the Pens. I am not a big Pens fan so I am trying to look at this as fair as possible.

[@michaelshields6326]

Karlsson has his deficiencies, but he is getting way too much blame for this team's problems. Sullivan managed to turn a 3 time Norris Trophy winning defender, coming off an 100 point season into a 50 point player. If he gets traded and goes somewhere else where the coach doesn't try to change a 35 year old players game he'll be back to his old self.

[@jadenippersiel912]

I know a lot of people want Crosby to be a life long Penguin, but it would be better to have him play with a contender while he still has skill than have him rot in Pittsburgh.

[@MRAIClassroom]

Im a lifetime pens fan since 1990. It’s better for both to move on. Let the pens add some picks and bottom out to the top of the draft for the next 3 years.

[@AG9271-gt7ck]

He should play with Mackinnon.

[@Axel.97]

there's a deeper reason why Sidney only wants $8.7M but you maybe forgot to do your research why that is

[@woodstocknun]

82 games x 16 = 1312 games per season

[@RobTalksHockey]

Huh

[@rodbelding9523]

This 2024 Pens team is the most pathetic hockey team I've ever seen honestly. There's zero passion or intensity with this team, it's like they just show up to collect a paycheck.

[@squirrelz6117]

I wish the canes could have something like a Crosby, I think my team could do really good if not for the lack an absolute goal scorer.

[@BlakeRye]

He’s pissed at Dubas and he’s joining the Leafs

[@easternsasquatch]

You be nice to OLN, you joke but i would kill for a combo of paranormal stuff and hockey these days.

[@deanmcpherson2597]

Crosby was always a team guy, Ovechkin always had to be fed.

[@corybeardwood9909]

39! Crosby is 37

[@babyloobibovski2947]

Love or hate Bettman, he’s done an objectively good job

[@TronleHD]

Pens gained cap space in EK trade. Don't know why people keep missing that.

[@RobTalksHockey]

They temporarily gain cap space, but replaced it with 4 years of Karlsson

[@michaelshields6326]

​​@@RobTalksHockeyKarlsson isn't this team's problem. Age, complete lack of depth and a coach who has been past his expiration date for years are far bigger problems. Sullivan is the genius who tried to change a 34 year old, 3 time Norris Trophy winners game. Every player that comes to Pittsburgh seems to play worse. It's not a coincidence.

[@maxskogh6289]

Trading away the prospects in favour of veterans that last 1 year. Is Lou Lamourello the GM of pittsburgh

[@Nsdus5676]

Love your channel but I have to agree with some former NHL enforcers and your use of the word goon. Your channel is better than that. They weren’t goons. They had a job and did it like everyone else. Protector is one thing, were they great players some of them? Some yes, some absolutely not at all. But all did a job and pairing them with a superstar to protect them makes them protectors not goons. And all made the NHL which is an accomplishment no matter your role on the team. Goon has a negative connotation and many of these players could actually play too. Many of them were like any other player thru Juniors and like many NHL players they belonged but would no longer be lighting it up in the OHL,WHL or the Q. The elite are on a different plane altogether. Some players were real dirt balls and those are a different story. Thus, calling certain players that never really fought goons over calling some of the all time NHL great enforcers one is more accurate considering some of the dirty shit they pulled. Your analysis thus I have seen from past vids belies your use of the word and it’s not something I’d expect having listened to you a while now. Best. And Sid is 37 not 39

[@belongtoit]

Hot take but ... Crosby to Vancouver, New Jersey or Chicago

[@classic.cameras]

Crosby to the Avs to play out his career with McKinnon? Maybe but never will happen except in EA Sports.

[@dcijluther4015]

He should trade to Avs. Really jump start that rebuild. Malkin to somewhere too.

[@entheogenocide]

GM Ron hextall ruined the penguins. Dubas put the final nail in the coffin with Karlsson.

[@1pbdecoded1pb]

They need to trade Crosby for Elias Pettersson NOW. Trade Malkin 50% retained to the Caps for Ryan Leonard. Trade Letang and whatever for Brendan Gallagher (or Josh Anderson) and Arber Xhekaj or Logan Mailloux. Crosby is going to ruin the franchise by forcing the Pens to live up to his ridiculous ideals. I hate FSG. In the end Mario Lemieux sold the team to bum owners FSG who know nothing about hockey and think the Pens are a brand. FIRE DUBAS AND SULLIVAN NOW! Dubas is clearly incompetent.

[@camstevenson1580]

The only reason the penguins still exist is because of Crosby… he can do whatever he wants

[@1pbdecoded1pb]

@@camstevenson1580 The jersey has a Pens logo not Mario or Sid's face. Sid can't be perfect this time. Trade Rutger McGroarty for Trevor Zegras.

[@clinton1430]

Respect for the Dogg shoutout! Haha

[@Asymmetrical-Saggin]

Crosby > Ovenchicken

[@Synthetiqxz]

really good video keep it up 👍 🔥

[@RobTalksHockey]

I appreciate ya

[@dontBEaSYNk]

sharks fans seeing what karlsson is doing to pens.

[@ongodcuhh]

Ah yes 2029 second round pick nic Robertson

[@zjsz4954]

8:25 Tim’s pays more than the NHL anyway

[@edenisburning]

I will throw up in my mouth if the Pens draft McKenna, and they look completely set up to do exactly that.

[@liamrose.9]

i think they would have ended up in the same position as boston has been, a solid team for years with nice culture but struggling to get back to those 2 cups. they had enough pieces to remain in contention and competitive but these days they are a complete mess with no real vision. i have no clue what the team is supposed to be outside sid and geno.

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

It was terrible, but I miss ghost hunters Watching Crosby and OVechkin back then is a bit of a privilege now but also a reminder that Im old. Ovechkin going on 40, and 20 seasons in the nhl?! goddess.

[@plaidchuck]

Crosby had a bad career end 5 years removed from winning his third cup? Ovechkins career is ending with a goal scoring title and one cup from barely beating the penguins and beating up an expansion team

[@ethanparker7900]

barely? They beat them in 6. Barely would mean beating in seven and as long as their opponent in the final is a team in the opposite conference it counts. Also. given by how stacked the knights were one would hardly tell they were brand new at the time

[@YeYe-db6ur]

@@ethanparker7900barley as in they had to wait for them to be torn out from the previous runs

[@bernardjacquez3627]

With the way Dubas has his current team, IS fact stranger than fiction? IS this a "Major League" or "The Natural" situation?