When Your Child Marries a Narcissist You Need to Know What to Do and What Not to Do/LISA ROMANO

[@Ishtar2419]

This is what happened to my son who is 23 and she is 48 and was a friend of mine. All you say has happened although I really don't know what is going on because we don't have anything to do with her and hardly see him. So it is hard to know what their relationship is like but I know he is more distant month by month. It has been 1-1/2 years. He says he is happy and not to interfere in his life and we don't interfere but we see him less and less. It's so sad to lose him to this manipulating, toxic woman.

[@marywilsonvocalist2181]

@@movingisliving i tried same as you but step sons 21st.. i ended up having to stay away..gave him gift from my car..i was dealing with soprano family ..bloody mindless twats.

[@bettyroberts4156]

@@marywilsonvocalist2181 Soprano family for sure--good analysis.

[@golondriz3]

It’s hard to not interfere but it’s a process and our children have to learn for themselves. Just keep praying. I think it helps a lot.

[@anniesmolinski7566]

@@golondriz3 you don't think you should try to open their eyes? What about before they get married? My daughters fiance is doing this to my daughter and I😢💔 he literally said he would keep my daughter and future grandchildren away from all threats, including parents (including his). When I ask what I would do or say that he would keep them away, his response:"if I said or did something he disagreed with"

[@kimgordon3695]

I'm so sorry 💔

[@dchristiansen1]

You've finally explained to me what has happened to our 33 year old son. He's been married for almost 7 years and has gone from a happy-go-lucky boy who would call me just to tell me something funny to "no contact" because we're the enemy now. He didn't even acknowledge his mother on Mother's Day or her birthday last year. My mother, who loved him dearly, recently died in our home, and we didn't hear one word from him or his wife. We are heartbroken.

[@mattsturm9194]

My son has also not acknowledge me on Birthdays and Mothers day. But I got to watch my Daughter in law give her mother a gift on Mothers day, when I got nothing. also daughter in law made sure to tell me all the wonderful things my son gave her for mothers day. Very Cruel. I don't even want to go near them this Mothers day. already anxious about it. It is awful, and Me and My husband do not deserve this.

[@peayleebaron4147]

We are heartbroken too

[@esmeblair2625]

We are in the same position

[@peayleebaron4147]

@@mattsturm9194 I am so sorry to hear this. We are in the exact same position. So cruel and trust and believe we do not deserve this.. we need to go non-contact to them. Reverse this abuse

[@mountain10]

It truly is!!!!!!!!!! Happening to me with my son who married a covert narcissist!!! Devastating!!!!!! I am asking God to please help!!!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jamesterminiello8763]

It is as if Ms. Romano lived through the horror of what my wife and I are experiencing with our daughter and her narcissistic husband. Her analysis is spot on.

[@peayleebaron4147]

I cannot tell everybody enough how validated my heart feels right now.. She's nothing short of the devil. And she's doing everything that everybody is writing about . It's hell 😭 we need to pray for each other 🙏🏼 pray for the parents of the child kidnapped by a narc

[@mariacolosimo3589]

Hi that's exactly how I feel ...so exhausting and hurtful to even have a relationship with him anymore.

[@peayleebaron4147]

@@mariacolosimo3589 I'm so sorry. It's just so hurtful. There really are no words for the pain and feelings of betrayal.. disillusionment I'm very sorry to hear that you're going through this

[@mariacolosimo3589]

@@peayleebaron4147 Thank you. I need to pray more and have faith. I love my son so much.

[@peayleebaron4147]

@@mariacolosimo3589 I hope this gives you comfort.. A week and a half ago I got a text in the middle of the night.. I went and rescued my grandchildren and my son and the skank and they're back! And it's extremely tiny baby steps forward. But he's back hallelujah praise Jesus

[@caroltidwell1011]

❤🙏🏼❤🙏🏼❤

[@jeffpittman8725]

I've been dealing with this for about 10 yrs. My son is completely hooked and we no longer speak. I have walked away in order to keep my sanity and preserve my own marriage. It's unbelievably toxic. Now I'm coping with the grief of loss. I love my son and perhaps some day he will come around but I'm not waiting.

[@CATALINAG1]

GOD BLESS YOU WITH NEW FAITH AND HOPES FOR REBUILDING YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR CHILD . WITH GOD, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. DONT GIVE UP ON GOD♥️🙏🏼🎼🙏🏼👑💐⚓️🛟

[@hawaiianpunchoner]

It's sad

[@ShirleyDrake-xx2cs]

This is even more heartbreaking if the couple have children because a narcissist has no problems with using children to achieve their goals.

[@esthergoldberg6407]

​@Shirsame sameleyDrake-xx2cs

[@SuzetteKoenig]

Me too, 10 years and counting. I miss our son.

[@Jovi64]

Spot on! 8 years of this..I was the target of my Son's wife..Enough!! ..I miss my Grandchildren and my Son but I refuse to let her abuse me anymore...Sad situation...Now I'm taking care of me...

[@annalexander1054]

I too am going through this. I am the target of the other grandmother and her son (my SIL) is the flying monkey. After all the heartbreak and frustration my husband and I went through, we have decided to move on without them. I hope one day my child will wake up. This decision to save ourselves did not come easy.

[@cyndigooch1162]

@@annalexander1054 I can imagine that it would've been a very painful, albeit necessary, decision and hope you don't have to wait too long. ❤

[@sportsman4545]

You found the best answer. There is nothing you can do so you focus on you, your friends, your extended family, your money and your life.

[@mickilicyes5399]

This is exactly where I am right now. Enough is enough!

[@yomilalgro]

I'm glad I'm not alone. I'm at my wits end with my SIL, and can't believe my daughter doesn't see it. It's my grandbabies that make me so 😭😭😭😭, I just have such a hard time not seeing my babies, they are my very heart 💖💙 I see right thru him, but my daughter has become completely myopic. My heart hurts everyday 😭😭😭

[@MUSTANG96CSR]

yes this is extremely validating. my son married a narc. her cruelty to his family knows no bounds.

[@maddybreen1936]

This is exactly what has happened in our family. A loving son who is now unrecognizable. No contact from him after being so close. Thank you Lisa for the insight. It helps to know what we are dealing with, but still very painful 💔

[@esmeblair2625]

This is us as well. But now his brother is also part of this. HOW do you get through the years?

[@sandrahernandez569]

​@@esmeblair2625Exactly.. how are you doing?

[@SuzetteKoenig]

​@@esmeblair2625Me too, 10 years, he has completely cut off his brother, he looks so nervous if I talk to him, I have never been alone with my two grand daughters. It's heartbreaking.

[@BrendaLG]

I can’t tell you how validated I feel. This is one of the best things I’ve seen and heard in regards to my situation with my oldest child.

[@laylaclapton3211]

I get it, the validation is something we need

[@alabamayankee7217]

As I look back in my narcissistic journey, everything Lisa was saying or just about everything was happening to me. It's a horrible horrible feeling to start out as a self-confident person and then be torn down brick by brick and then for good measure having someone who once told you they loved you smear your name everywhere with lies. I like watching Lisa's videos I'm hoping they will help inoculate me from ever making the same mistake I hope that that works. Oh shut down from any relationships and if I have my way it will be for the rest of my life but who knows. It would be nice to have someone to love and to call a friend. Narcissists are criminals

[@sportsman4545]

Narcs are evil people and covert narcs are the worst. To a normal person, you try to make sense of it. It's designed not to make sense. There is nothing you can do. Follow the Queen, she is dealing with 2 right now. Protect yourself. Grieve. Hard as it is, don't explain. They don't have any feeling and it's all your fault - in their eyes it will never be different. Stop spending money on them. Stop reaching out to them. They honestly do not care. If they cared they wouldn't do this to you. Build your life outside of them. Focus on giving to others more worthy of your presence.

[@stephr9859]

Oh it will teach you. You will be able to spot a narc a mile away.

[@4whirledpeas]

My son was such a lovely person with an amazingly bright future ahead of him. He was joyful and kind. I even thought he might become a minister because he cared deeply about others and read constantly about philosophy, psychology, world religions and cultures, and so on. I went out of my way to warn my daughter about men who might not treat them well. But I didn't know to warn my sons about toxic women like this. I didn't know the warning signs and I didn't see them in my son's case (she seemed like a good person with an impressive resume at first). I love my children with all my heart. That my son is suffering in this way - and doesn't see it - and I can't tell him without making things worse - is very hard. "Crippling" is the right word. It doesn't matter what I say or do (I can say the sky is blue) it is made out to be an attack in some way - or - proof of my incompetence/malicious intentions. We weren't perfect parents - but we tried very hard to be supportive of our children. We led scout troops, coached sports teams, were room parents, and so on. We educated ourselves and gave them lots of room to find their own strengths in ways that were healthy and constructive. We got help/lessons/resources for them when they needed it. We really liked being parents and had a lot of fun with our children. Thank you for laying things out so clearly. I will follow your advice.

[@skilodge4224]

The guilt they put on us is unrealistic. Hold onto your reality. Notice the sly dominance. At the moment of threat to abandonment is the moment of the trauma bond. Again, hold on to you. Hold on to your reality. A very healing video. Thank you Lisa.

[@shalom2253]

You have told exactly what I am battling with last two years with my wonderful son unfortunately married a narssistic wife. The pain and agony me and my son going through only God knows. The worst thing is my son is in the spell and looks at her like the best human in the world. She has changed his whole personality. Now lost all his self confidence, his achievements and also started to look at his family as worthless. My son was cream of the class all thro ugh school years and in university. She have made him talk like he is worth nothing. She has made him feel my family is worthless. It's so heart breaking to see what is happening and not able to save my son Thanks for all the coping strategies. It's very hard because the narssistic wants you to get out and it's like sailing against the wind. I will have to control my emotions and be in contact with my son.

[@sandrahernandez569]

It's Crazy how She described all out situations perfectly

[@kikusan3082]

Thank you Lisa for covering this issue as I can't find many discussion on this topic. Nothing is more cruel and sad than watching your own beautiful child getting into a rabbit hole created by a narcissist to destroy the goodness you have plant in your child. The helplessness of a parent is unimaginable. Your kindness is greatly appreciated. I remember a quote " Anger is a sign of helplessness " . I am not angry anymore cause know exactly what to do know.. Gratefully yours... A mom who is ready to take back control.. 😁

[@esmeblair2625]

How are you doing this. I cry all the time for the loss we are watching with our son

[@sandrahernandez569]

​@@esmeblair2625We all need to support each other

[@jacalyntaylor6721]

My son has one of these. Covert...very very very 😈 🦹‍♂️ evil.....she tried for one year to destroy me...now she trying to destroy him but make it all my fault. He is blind to her evilness...I have never seen this before. This video is perfect 👌 😍

[@sportsman4545]

Me too, same thing.

[@vickiemanthei47]

Same hear😢

[@bethsanders4414]

I am so sorry you are going thru this, I am 2 steps behind you myself

[@Donnalia]

My son too is with one of these. Pure evil….She has tried to destroy me and is continuing to destroy my son and he don’t know this yet, He is now suffering badly with his mental health and She has blamed me and is bad mouthing me to the grandchildren too, For 13 years i was put on an emotional roller coaster and I’ve only found out the extent of her recently, I’m in complete shock and left traumatised ☹️ He become a very nasty angry man and I’m too exhausted to deal with him and her now, mainly because I’m living with very ill health and I was left with no choice but to walk away, Its devastating but the damage is already done.

[@felisebatchelor6197]

@@Donnalia ..I totally hear you Donna and my heart goes out to you. I am in a similar situation …it is a shock and traumatic and bewildering to finally realise the effects of what we have been carrying from the nasty-ist had been adding to our own journey of dealing with pain. Keep Looking after yourself and know that you’re not alone. Keep listening to Lisa’s talks…. They are my life saver at this point in time …you are better than that evil person who snagged your son. Take care dear one 🤗

[@free2beme39]

This video hits home to so many families. Its a sad state of affairs.

[@sunflower-oo1ff]

yes, I feel like it is exactly like a cult...we need intervention... ;( but, how, how to go about it... ? :(

[@cyndimoring9389]

Apparently this has become a huge socially acceptable thing to do among young adults. The stresses of life, our need to give them a happy childhood with no guarantees it would last into adulthood, their own poor self image & trauma from divorces gives them an excuse to blame us. Although this may have been happening for decades, the idea of individualism & identifying 'toxic' relationships makes it easier. It also affects the other siblings & grandchildren, which is tragic.

[@angiehendrix6235]

I'm living this exact situation with my daughter/son in law. He has literally convinced her that he is her saviour & that she doesn't need anyone but him. She won't talk to me, have anything to do with me. I haven't even gotten to see my new granddaughter since she came home from the hospital in March. I'm so depressed (& physically sick) over all this.

[@iselab102]

Same

[@katalincatchpolenefister8954]

Oh my God it's same with me. I'm so worried about my daughter.

[@karenhall6966]

My child is in the hospital with Covid and her husband will not allow anyone to see her or give us any information on her condition. Please, can you give me any help? I know she needs her mama now. She is on a ventilator and he is keeping us and all of her family away.

[@Angela.M.D]

Did you solve with your daughter???

[@Angela.M.D]

@@katalincatchpolenefister8954 did you resolve?? I'm in the same situation

[@dianesmith5898]

God have mercy on our son and grandchildren

[@cindydaugherty8441]

AMEN

[@ShirleyDrake-xx2cs]

I said a prayer for you, your child and your grandchildren.

[@bridgettetraveler658]

After my daughter started dating a horrible person she became untrustworthy. She tells vicious lies & half truths on me. She also hates her daddy. She likes my husband who is her stepdad. I've had to block her on FB. We were close before she met that person she's married to. She was going to college to be a great lawyer & met that petty criminal. She dropped out of college & dumbed herself down for him. Please pray for her to be released from that hateful demon?!!

[@PatsyTakken]

Disturbingly accurate Lisa , I can’t believe that our son has been taken from us in this way . We are having a little bit of contact with him again and we are mindful of your advice about being extremely cautious with not being judgemental or pointing the finger at his partner. We are just taking the very softly softly approach and hoping that the communication channels will work . Thank you for all you do in this area of work.

[@Whycee54]

Thank God for this video! You nailed my daughter in law ! Thank you! I pray for my son and grandson everyday. I am happy that I finally learned what the hell is going on. For 12 years, I blamed myself for not being a good mother. This is why I got colon cancer. I am fine now but the last eye opening event was her telling him that I did not need surgery. AND she convinced him to steal money from his own father. She is a prime piece of work.

[@suzannedawson4120]

I can’t imagine having a child who has gotten trapped into this kind of situation. My heart goes out to all of you who are struggling over such a worry, having escaped from a. Nightmare if s marriage. I’m hoping my beloved nephew isn’t trapped in something like this. Thank you so much, Lisa. Thanks for reminding us to approach our loved ones with love, even though we can’t approach the narcissist in the same way.

[@felisebatchelor6197]

It’s one of the saddest things to go through. It rips at the core of all that you had with your beloved child, it is pure evil.

[@maryjohnson2878]

100% Lisa! This is so sad. Prayers for all of us involved

[@moniquejackson7741]

You have a gift, Lisa. This was an excellent description and unpacking of this very complex subject. Your descriptions and examples were calm, clear, and cogent, and I love how you even touched on the possible dangers associated with trying to help someone wake up and get out. The Cult of One references really brought it home for me. I found a lot of crossover on how I can help myself and others who are not my children. Once again, Thank You, Thank You, Thank you for everything you do for this community!

[@Nana-gt1vq]

Thanks for the confirmations and advice. My SIL is the N, and my daughter has been consumed into his darkness. Your videos (and others like yours) have lead me to a greater peace with the situation. No longer expect them to change or act respectfully. My support ive friends are wonderful, and my prayers for knowledge, understanding of this disordered personality are being answered. I am healing. I almost lost myself to the despair. Now I have hope.

[@felisebatchelor6197]

This is a heartbreaking situation Lisa. I am watching this with my son being manipulated by a total evil 😈 person. She is using my grand daughter as her supply now as I’ve finally twigged to her evilness. She gaslights my son constantly. She accuses my son of being an alcoholic while saying in the next breath ‘ oh I love your son ‘ .She’s tried to get me to side with her to discredit my son and I refused which set her off to making herself into a victim. She has disrespected my whole family whilst demanding we all show her respect. Hides things on me that I spend hours hunting for. Plays the victim non stop. Always has something wrong with her when it’s someone’s birthday. Is always going to the doctor with imaginary illnesses then leaves the information from the doctor lying around the house in obvious places so we’ll see it. Is only interested in my health so as she can talk about her own supposed ‘health’ issues. Takes my grand daughter to see her mother all the time but puts such guilt on my grand daughter if I ask her to come to mine. She is an evil force and I wish my son would wake up to her abuse and leave the horrible b§£ch. She wants from my son all the time, expects him to run after her. She is unbelievably evil. It is crippling to watch my son in this evil 😈 situation and I’ve been trying to figure out for years why the hell he married her and now thanks to your videos I have got it figured. It is criminal abuse and she is abusing my grand daughter with her guilt trips and making her emotionally dependent on her. She is very manipulating and knows how to intimidate my son to make him stay with her. Right now I couldn’t care less if she fell off the ends of the earth and I never see her again. How do we get our children away from these vile creatures ?

[@esmeblair2625]

How do we try and reach our son?

[@esmeblair2625]

My sons wife does everything from, I am ill, your mother makes no effort, our son is disrespectful, does not communicate, lost friends, alienates himself from where comes from. We have spoken to him but nothing changes

[@yvonnevillman3063]

I could have written this message word for word. I pray every night for my son to feel like a person again not a whipped puppy. Happy and healthy and alive. I will keep the door open for him to call anytime just to talk to someone. I will pray for all of us that have lost a child to a cult monster. Take care!

[@estellegrove4853]

Oh my god you are so so spot on with this. This is exactly what’s happened with my son. There are lots of us, we are a large family and my children have been brought up with cousins being more like siblings and aunts and uncles being other parents. We have always been very close and the best of friends. My 3 children alone had the best relationship I’ve ever known. I was so proud of my family and how close and loving they all were. Then my daughter in law came along. She met him online and has even admitted that there were several men she was speaking to but seeing as she was studying physiology she gave them a test and my son passed. I’m not sure what this test was until now. And he was bullied dreadfully at high school so it all fits in. Anyway she has now convinced my son that he had an abusive childhood and that his sisters hate him and that his dad and I are toxic. Nothing could be further from the truth. We live our kids and even practiced passive parenting and we believed this was why our children were such amazing people and why they were so close. But she’s now convinced him that we are evil. Not just us but his whole extended family. Cousins who he grew with as best friends and more like brothers. He has blocked us all from any communication at all. I cannot explain how broken I am over this. They had a baby 6 months ago and they won’t let us see him saying they are safe guarding him from our toxicity. My heart is broken and I cannot even function properly anymore. From the day he was born we’ve adored him and gave him nothing but love. His dad and sisters are so sad and I cannot even look at them without crying my eyes out. Why would she want to do this to our family? We had only just lost my mum when she took him away and I think the loss of his nana helped her to be able to get into that wound. Why are people so evil? How can we get our lovely son back. The mildest, kindest, most loving man in the world is now so aggressive and cold hearted. We have been to his house and we asked him what is it that we have done? He cannot answer, just tells us to leave that we’re not wanted there. How can we get him back? As a family we are all devastated and as his mother I am dying inside. I just want my mum now and want to be with her wherever she is as this life is far too cruel. We thought this lady was so nice and honest and we were so pleased for our son; how wrong we were. If anyone has been thru this and can offer any advice I would be so grateful. My heart is just smashed into a millions shards. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@AM-wh5he]

You are telling my story exactly

[@estellegrove4853]

@@AM-wh5he Really? I’m so sorry for you as I know exactly how you must be feeling. Oh isn’t it just horrendous? I swear I’ve never felt so low in my entire life. I’ve always been optimistic and believed that everything happens for a reason but I can’t for the life of me figure out just what the reason could be why my son doesn’t love us anymore. His dad bumped into him last week and tried to speak to him but he refused. So my husband followed him for probably 10 seconds virtually begging. He grabbed my sons arm and pleaded and my son shrugged him off and walked away. 2 days ago the police came and our son had filed an assault charge. We are devastated and my poor husband, who’s tried to be so strong for me has just fell to bits. It’s destroying us. Again I’m so sorry for your pain it’s just so so sad and devastating for all they leave behind. 😢😢 xx

[@AM-wh5he]

@@estellegrove4853 so sorry it’s horrible

[@patriciamclaughlin5973]

@@estellegrove4853 Hello Estelle I just read your comment and I'm learning more and more of us are going through the same exact thing. But your story in particular stands out the most it's almost exactly like mine. No one truly understands but another family that's going through this the paint and devastation I can't talk to anybody about it anymore because everyone's tired of hearing about it just saying forget him walk away. My son was like yours loving kind sweet his heart was so wonderful and it's the polar opposite now. I took care of my three grandchildren for 5 years and then she's slowly started marginalizing me until she stopped answering my calls and texts. I live in the United States. I'm so afraid I'll never see my son again or my grandchildren it makes me feel like what was my life about? but then my other children are upset that they feel they're not good enough, and it's such a huge huge problem. I just wanted to reach out to you, and tell you, you have someone half a world away going through the same thing God bless you Patricia

[@estellegrove4853]

@@patriciamclaughlin5973 Patricia I’m so so very sorry for you. This is just the strangest, cruelest thing thats ever happened to us and to read its happening to others too is just so very saddening. My heart goes out to you and yours and i hope with all that i have that one day we will message each other to say that its all been sorted but for now its (absolutely not nice to know) but nice to know there is someone who may possibly understand even a fraction of what I’m feeling as a mother. I totally relate to you saying about your other children. Our daughters have said they feel as tho they’re not worthy in some way because their dad and I are so stuck on our son and what he’s done to us. But its the loss of one of our children who seemed to have always been three if you get me. We adore our girls so much but we cannot help being sad over the loss of our son. We have to understand tho that they’re grieving him too. Its just so bloody difficult! Patricia i know I seem to be another universe away but if you need to talk I’m here for you. I wish you could pop over for a cup of tea and a chat that would make my day. I’m not sure how to send you my number without making it public, i will ask one of my daughters tomorrow (its 1.33am here) and i will get my number to you so we can message easier or maybe video call. Thank you so much for reaching out to me Patricia I truly appreciate it. All the very best wishes for you and yours. ❤️❤️❤️ If you add me on Facebook, i can direct message you with my number xxx🙏 Estelle Grove

[@anaraquelmendoza4087]

My smart, intellectual, professional daughter married a NARC, it's the most depressing situation for all. I will not stop praying to God to save my daughter from this demon.

[@ShirleyDrake-xx2cs]

Good luck!

[@susannovello2431]

This is so true. Every step you pointed out has happened. 10 years of this I feel physically ill And I want to hurt the narcissist. I have to sit back and watch

[@felisebatchelor6197]

I relate to the feeling Susan of wanting to hurt the nasty-ist. It’s the point of desperation that they drive you to. We’re better than that though aye ? 🤗

[@lynnadao5420]

Wow just right on. I watch my son go though this. It so hard.

[@AM-wh5he]

As parents of a child going through this situation we need more help dealing with the pain of not being able to help or open their eyes. They start isolating them from friends, then family and at the end they believe everyone is against them. It’s a horrible pain, like they have been kidnapped.

[@katalincatchpolenefister8954]

I have this pain so awful

[@peayleebaron4147]

Exactly like they have been kidnapped

[@shawnr6801]

I agree!!! So heartbreaking!!

[@peayleebaron4147]

@@shawnr6801it's devastating.

[@MG-il9oj]

I agree. It is like she was kidnapped, here one day gone the next. After he isolated her from all her friends, I knew it was a matter of time before his took her from us. I just didn't know how. He took her to another state which makes difficult to check on her. It's been 4 years. And it is still so 😢 heart breaking. We only see her 1-2- times a year

[@cathie1234]

My son sadly IS the narcissist! I sit broken watching him manipulate this poor young lady - she’s been through so much and he treats her so badly. I want to help her however she isn’t receptive to even a hint at reality at this point.

[@moniquejackson7741]

Until someone is ready to begin to See, all you can do is keep gently and lovingly pointing out the abusive behavior until she's ready to start seeing a pattern. Help her set and maintain boundaries as she is able, and be extra careful not to enable the Narcissist.

[@rohand9061]

So shine her

[@phantomwatcher8170]

I think I would anonymously slip her a note and tell her the worst thing to do is mention this to him if she doesn’t believe it watch videos in her own personal time

[@cyndimoring9389]

I'm so sorry for your pain.

[@cathie1234]

@@cyndimoring9389 thank you honey!!!

[@christinemuggeridge2997]

Thank you so much for your videos Lisa, without them I would think I was going insane, you are so talented in the way you educate people on this subject 💗

[@susannovello2431]

This has been going on with my son for 32 years. Omg every step you pointed out is what has taken place. My son won’t even speak to me. He won’t look at me. I feel physically ill when I’m around them

[@Angela.M.D]

Its my daughter. Havent seen her or spoke to her in 3 years. She's staying away from all her family and friends. He (the devil as I call him) had ruined her and all our family. Every single word you're saying has happened to me and my family in these past 3 years he's the worst person in the world.!!! Im still listening..... so grateful to have found this video.... 💓 thank you so much....

[@SJRendle]

My son has married a narcissist! I just wish I knew about her and how to have handled our situation better. I fear I’ve lost my son for good now.

[@romanastrasheim5226]

😰

[@donnacharles2879]

I'm going through the same thing. I thought I was going crazy. The emotional pain is unbearable. I gave up my life in one city to move to another to support my son because he asked me to support him as his girlfriend was having my first grandchild. I was living with them but she put tremendous pressure on him to move me out and complained about me non stop. Now I'm here in a different city far from my friends she has got her way and they moved me again far from them. Now I'm isolated no friends or family around me. When he does visit to fix something, she has him on a timer and constantly text him to see where he is and he runs back to her quickly to her. She doesn't like me touching my granddaughter. She spends a lot of time with her family and occasionally throws me a bone seeing my son and granddaughter. She has made me look like an imbecile to my son and I can't prove anything because nobody see's what she has done. There is so much to this story but I have a couple of friends on my side who are going through the same thing. I keep my mouth shut because my son will take her side and I will look like the bad guy. I pray my son comes to his senses soon. My heart breaks every day watching her treat him like this. He is my only child and I will be here for him till my last breath 😔 P.s he has bought her an engagement ring, my son is popping the question next week.

[@shaunduffy861]

So empathetic, delivered in such a caring way. This really helps both the parents and also the targeted individual, sincerely, thank you.

[@Giovi111]

Yep, my new SIL is one. My brother has been taken away from our family and manipulated. It is really sad. At this point, I question if my brother is either a covert narc or if he has taken on a lot of her traits over the years they have been together. She is moving him across the country this week. I found out through mutual family members. She belittles him every time I see them which has not been in nearly 9 months even though they live 20 minutes away. Because of what I have learned about narcissism over the years, I have stopped trying to engage and am focused on healing because anything I say or do will be used against me.

[@KH-jr4bf]

This unfortunately has happened to two of my brothers. I love them and miss them but can’t stand to be around their narc wives. They also treat my parents like crap and my brothers say nothing to them. I can’t stand it!

[@raeganmartineau2170]

@@KH-jr4bf if it happened to 2 of your brothers, is it possible that something isn't wrong with the wives at this point? maybe its the family who is driving any of their children/siblings away because they can't stand seeing them grow up and move on? just a thought.

[@kikusan3082]

I am going thru this situation right now, and thank God I am armed with my ex narcissist abuse. The best way is to totally act opposite of how the narcissist wants. This will disarm the narcissist. He wants me to lose my cool, I acted like nothing happened. He wants my daughter to believe I am against him, I welcome and took extremely good care of him., so my daughter can see with her own eyes and not believe what he said. By doing what is totally different than expected will let you take back control and delayed whatever plan the narcissist have in mind to destroy your child. And your unconditional love will overcome the evil. This will also confused the narcissist and outsmart them.

[@mekimekim5758]

Thank you for this great advice! Great vital video as well. God help us all and our children being victimized by this evil in Jesus name Amen 🙏

[@esmeblair2625]

Thank you. We are so shocked by all this. We never thought this would happen to us

[@KASA0828]

And sometimes the parent and the narc team up. That’s my situation. Till I realized...

[@Ami-qu6id]

It is so saddening to hear this and this is exactly what is happening to my brother.. my parents have been distanced from my brother because of the woman he married and now she is misleading him against us(siblings) and even pitting us against each other Im just happy that we have realized this but it is truly heartbreaking to see my brother become someone else entirely and we don’t know what we can do.. he was the best of us, and she has turned him into a whole other person

[@joannatoth5848]

This happened to my oldest brother too going on now for almost 40 yrs!! He divorced and remarried her three times trying to escape and yes she chased him down using her brothers!! Now my son is going through the same going on eleven years!! It is the worst and most heartbreaking thing I have ever had to deal with!!

[@jelinaross1850]

My Son has been with this woman since he was 14yrs old and she got her way with him he married her it’s going on 8 yrs ! She has narcissist behaviors towards me. She disrespected me many times. I didn’t think it was possible to do so much evil toward some ones Mother! My son was not raised like that. I had to gray rock and just not go around her ! It’s heart breaking for my grandchildren and I. A narcissist is sick and has done a lot Of damage to my relationship with my Son and Grandchildren. And it’s still happening to my son and he does nothing about it anymore! Thank you for your educational Information God bless you always

[@gwy72]

My son is under her spell at the moment! He is SUCH the lovely guy, you would not believe! Sadly I introduced the two of them. There is now a beautiful little girl involved and our family has been slowly weaned out of the picture! Little by little. It has come to a head now and my son is soooooo defensive! I know now it will take time but can only hope that one day he will see the bigger picture! It is almost insufferable that as a mother you have to sit back and watch this infold. You lay the process of sequences out precisely touching the core! Well done and thank you.

[@heatherpoulin2994]

I hope things have improved for you. My mental health is a disaster as this is happening to my son

[@faithferns5693]

Thank you so very much for this information. This is EXACTLY my life and what I am going through with my daughters partner to a T in the last 4 years. I've seen my beautiful daughter who once had a light in her eyes to now an empty shell of a person since she's been with her partner. Its extremely heart breaking. This relationship has destroyed our family. His family also makes sure she doesn't see me and her father too. Thanks for the tips, I am willing to try everything to help her.

[@susangalligan1821]

Let her go for now. All you can do is pray that she will come around. Get on with your life.

[@HFTLH]

I ended up crying listening to this, because what you were saying didn't just ring true to what I went through in my marriage, but brought back painful childhood AND adult memories of being subjected to this abuse by my parents.

[@HFTLH]

@Mary Carroll that's very sweet of you. I wish you could too, haha.

[@cmcintire1656]

Thank you for giving me the tools 🧰 to change my life. What you give us can be underestimated to some people but man have you given me a lot of motivation to restart my own life and to find my ability to tune into myself. No amount of money could replace this life skill!

[@caroljohnson3011]

OMG Lisa, thank you 😢😢😢. It’s as if you were in my living room & listening me & my husband. We have only 1 child and he is married to a narcissist and therefore we only get to see our only grandchild 2-3 times a year, if we are lucky. We are just devastated, heart broken and I, the grandmother, am a mess. AND our second grandchild will be born in Sept 2021. We had our son late in life due to infertility so we are already 68 & 65. I am going to counseling fortunately with a doctor that is in a very similar situation as we are. Thank you thank you thank you. I can quit blaming myself now and take your advice. Even though I want to kidnap my son & grandson and run away with them. I won’t. We will play it cool like you said and my counselor will help us to deal with the pain. The only thing you didn’t mention is that we feel as tho we have lost our son, not just our grandson. I miss my son terribly. And that his life must be a living hell. Not to even mention what this is doing to the sweet innocent children. While the Narc was raging at me, I was crying and the 3 year old was NOT affected by it at all. He stared at me at first and then he went onto play and ignore her, like nothing was even happening and he appeared to be used to this kind of atmosphere, emotions, screaming, name calling, tears etc. it didn’t not upset him as I thought it would. Poor babies life must be awful. Our retirement years have been ruined by this horrible horrible nightmare situation. My husband will be watching your video tonight. He is my biggest supporter and my ROCK. Thank God for helpful kind people like you. ❣️

[@susangalligan1821]

Please move on with your life, get busy into something for you to think about. My prayers are with you, I know the pain.

[@felisebatchelor6197]

I hear your pain and sadness. My thoughts and love are with you. It is truly a heartbreaking situation as a grand parent to watch this evilness at play. So good you and your husband are United in your support for each other through this. 🤗

[@mrose4435]

Thank you, Lisa. Not hopeful but at least know what NOT to do if we ever hear from them or the grands again…

[@rsd9114]

For me, this is your best video éver Lisa! So recognisable, finally good information for the parents with narcissistic daughter in laws.

[@maryjohnson2878]

Yessss

[@livenletlive786]

This has been so validating and informative. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@simplenv4740]

I dodged a bullet!!! Thank GOD he never wanted to marry me and never had any kids..... ✝️🙏

[@kimmyj1971]

Thank you Lisa Been literally through the same thing Been watching it for years now with my son I saw it years ago when my son told me off for abusing her At the time I was amazed he said that cause I’d actually only said two words hello and no Recently the discard of me occured in an amazing film like dramatically fuelled arena Because I asked a question Luckily I had educated myself I now have a different approach Narcissists like power When they get it completely What more can they do Go further Eventually with my son I’m hoping he sees this going further in their life together is really only for her benefit There is always one instance that occurs when reality occurs is my only savour now I did do everything right I learnt how too It will happen It’s only a matter of time now I know his values He will stand

[@kimmyj1971]

I remember years ago I visited my sons home after his wife had his child I worked She said she’s always home Every time I visited just to see how she was going see my granddaughter and ask how I need to help I couldn’t she was never home I found them home one day My son asked me a few days after the visit why I visited Ummmm? It is criminal

[@kimmyj1971]

Thankyou You said exactly what needs to happen a a parent To ask them for them to tell you where they are They need to learn not us We know already God bless

[@kimmyj1971]

I remember my child’s last words I actually spoke to him It was Thankyou mum I had a good day It was his birthday when I rang He told me his wife had organised his birthday the day before When all of her children could be around He told me I the first one to ring him on his birthday I asked him what he was doing on his birthday He told me he was cooking tea Umm I get it But this one I didn’t know what to do Xxx Namaste

[@lightworker4512]

My son married a narcissist. After their wedding, I chose to never see them again. Best decision. Life too short.

[@grahamdunn8292]

Absolutely spot on Lisa but there is one scenario which we found ourselves in - Our son was a serving officer in the British Army and had two tours of duty in Afghanistan - they were tough tours and he saw things none of us would want to see. He said before his first tour that he didn't want a girlfriend worrying about him as it was bad enough having his parents worrying. He met her a few weeks before going and she clearly not only love bombed him but us and his friends also. She convinced him that she was his saviour from the traumas of war and took him to live many miles away from us, married him and had their first child. Our first grandchild is nearly 5 and we have not seen her for 4 years. If we walked into a room full of children, we could not pick her out. She is now pregnant with their second child. He is not allowed to send photographs and it is so hard to curtail your anger and sheer hatred of her. Sadly it took us far too long to realise what she was - a narcissist! She exhibits all the classic symptoms which we now understand - grandiosity, lack of empathy, superiority, arrogance, exploitation and her need for validation. We try and keep the channels of communication open with him and appreciate your advice to remind him when we can of his life before "her"! Everyone suggests the wheel will fall off eventually. I hope we are granted enough time to see it happen.

[@cyndigooch1162]

Graham Dunn This would be so difficult to cope with and I really hope you don't have to wait too long either! ❤

[@thintwin48]

I so love you for your transperence...lucidity...making your listening audience FEEL more 'real'...Immense kudos Mme. Romano!! Intelligence is 'catching'...Merci.

[@decemberlotus]

Bless you Lisa ❤️

[@dianesmith5898]

My son use to be a beautiful kind person. We were a beautiful godly family. She is a narcissist and has done this as you say. My heart breaks for him. They have three children and we don’t get to see them. We are sick

[@cc967]

This is exactly what has happened to my son. His girlfriend lured him to move 1000’s of miles away from his family and 6 months in, he had a nervous breakdown. She’s used this to separate him even more from us and he believes she is saving him when she was actually the cause. It’s a sick, twisted plan and leaves us feeling helpless.

[@Free-flyBE]

same with my middle son; he was beginning to open up to me how unhappy he was & it sounded like he was ready to let her go - but now he's in therapy taking meds & I don't hear anything again:(

[@bettyroberts4156]

I just read a reply in this forum that a narcissistic family cult/or one narcissistic partner is like the Sopranos! Great analogy.

[@loriraemorris4142]

This was my life. My ex husband was not liked by any of my family. We had 2 boys and my parents never loved my ex but loved our boys. He was an alcoholic too and a crazy life that nobody could understand. Nobody knew about narcissists back in 1980. I was in this 20 years then went to another bad marriage. I am on an awakening journey now at 55. So glad its finally time. 40 years under the veil and I am so glad its time.

[@mekimekim5758]

Amen! Same here, 39 years with converted malignant narcissist husband and final getting out, and youngest son been in a 2 yr relationship with a older converted malignant narcissist woman. He at various times says it wants out, but falls back into her traps. I just keep the lines of communication open and pray for him everyday that her bewitchment will be broken off him with no last repercussions on him in Jesus Christ name. They will see and be delivered just keep the faith in Jesus Christ

[@loriraemorris4142]

@@mekimekim5758 I am glad you are getting your life back. I see its been 1 yr since I posted. I have made contact with the 1st ex and see after 20 years, he hasn't changed much. I made a good decision to leave him all those years ago. Our boys are doing great with wives and kids. I am going to therapy. I feel I am going to be a better grandma than a mom. It was so hard understanding everything when I was young. Just keep praying!! In God's time it all works out. My son after 2 yrs of no speaking to me says he loves me now. God is good.

[@susangalligan1821]

His family was on my side to. He told me his family was terrible, they were very good to me and the grandkids. I was married to him for 20 years. I left the state, he did not drink. Two years later he killed himself.

[@Smwilll6100]

​@@mekimekim5758 Amen! Praying and trusting Jesus will awaken him. God bless you ❤🙏✝️

[@eliseintheattic9697]

What you describe with the daughter and the man from another country is exactly what I'm going through. I feel like that could be my story. I was married to a narcissist for over 20 years so I recognized the signs when my got involved with a man she met online. She became obsessed with him and spent all her waking hours when not working face timing with him. He would pick fights constantly, and berate and abuse her for hours and when I finally stepped in, I became a target. She married him despite the constant verbal abuse and when she did that I cut off all contact with her. Now I look like the bad guy to friends who don't understand the whole situation. No one gets that I have done it out of self preservation. I never, ever want another narcissist in my life. I know that if I had maintained a relationship with her that I would be a constant target of his manipulations and vindictivness. Thanks for making this video. There's a lot of info out there about narcissist and how to spot them, beat them at their game, get away from them, recover from them etc.... But nothing that deals with what to do when your child brings one into the family. It's painful but I see no other way to deal with it. I there one?

[@graychristoherdaly8077]

This was so informative. You have shown me what I want to do would only make the situation worse. I will immediately change how to deal with this in hopes we can get our son back. Thank you

[@cathyfulford593]

Wow you have just explained my world. Absolutely true ...everything I did or said was twisted .it has been the most heartbreaking years to give the loss of my son to the cult of one . They have her family and completely cut me out. It's funny how I bought my kids up on my own and I was ok til she came along and pointed out how bad I was and suddenly 24 years of being mum is forgotten Now I hate the times that I used to love like Christmas and birthdays. My heart is broken

[@lindastreett3457]

Thank you for explaining everything, we see this in our son and has completely cut ties with family and we feel hopeless

[@earthsister6941]

Every Mother's day I emotionally prepare in case my son drops by. First few years he did but once they had kids my motherhood got forgotten. It's all about her. My son says he's keeping the peace.

[@robertkodobocz6815]

But what happens when your child has cut you out of their lives at the request of the narcissist? Our son has cut his entire family out of his life and no one was invited to the wedding. He’s gone so far as to change his phone number and email address. Is he gone forever? It’s been 15 months no contact.

[@Heartbeetnutritionist]

My situation too. It’s so unbelievably painful! There really isn’t anything you can do but look after your own emotional and mental health. ‘She’ is in control and is manipulating their lives and minds, until he sees this, there’s nothing to be done. There’s a Facebook page ‘Daughter in Laws from Hell’, hard to believe there are so many evil women out there , and hard to believe so many parents with the exact same situation as ours.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@simplenv4740]

Pray that he wakes up and comes back to the 💡 and back home.

[@haleykruse1914]

Same exact thing happened to my family.

[@sweetesthawaiianprincess8086]

Grieve- let go -you can’t win. It’s a zero sum game! My daughter in law is so extremely threatened by the close mother-son relationship I ‘used’ to have as a single mom. She is a not only a narcissist on steroids but also has the borderline personality disorder feature of ‘splitting’ relationships. As they are expecting their first baby, the writing is on the wall that without any doubt her covert splitting will repeat with me and the grandchild. I will forgive their emotional elder abuse, but in my Bible study Chasing David, we learned that forgiving is a gift we give ourselves / which means letting go of the devastation that leads to bitterness. Nor do we ‘forget’ because behaviors not owned will repeat repeat ad nausium. 🙏🤕❤️‍🩹💔

[@rsd9114]

How about our narcissistic daughter in law. First she got married with our lovely son. Then three weeks later she kicked all of us out the door. She'd married her prince and could finally get rid of his family. And later she also got rid of his friends 😡.

[@donnafarley8970]

I love your videos. So informational. Thank you Lisa!

[@judypohorille208]

This runs so true for what I am experiencing with my son. My daughter--in- law is NPD and this feels like you have been a mirror on the wall. So sad and hearbreaking. I moved into the village to retire. Only after moving did I discover her narcissistic patterns. We live 2 blocks away from each other and the challenges worsens on a daily basis. So validating- Many thanks

[@kimgordon3695]

This lesson is perhaps the most pertinent lesson of our Lives 💙

[@rmcd823]

Thanks for your channel and your clear mind! ❤️

[@k.wright8095]

OMG! You are talking straight to my situation!

[@hergenie]

Wow. You nailed it! Thank you.

[@wiser1254]

My daughter married a narcissist, but she also is a narcissist. Together, they are beyond challenging to be with and deal with. When I visit (they live in another state), I have observed my 9-year grandson seriously dissociating. Her father is an overt narcissist who I divorced when she was 5. I recently divorced a covert narcissist after 40 years of marriage. I have been in therapy since for my codependency, including dozens of your videos. As I have set some boundaries, they are now giving me the silent treatment, and limiting the interaction/conversations I can have with my grandson. They are in their mid-50s; I am soon to be 75 and am finally personally happy and independent. Should I just be satisfied that’s enough?

[@julieanna8495]

Currently going through this very thing right now. It is unbelievable until it happens to you. Thank you Lisa for understanding this immense pain.

[@annmariemazzotta2495]

Unbelievable analysis,i feel sad for my grandkids what am I going to? I only see my grandkids when is good for her,my son never calls me back anymore ,I have hearth palpitations , sick to my stomach .

[@happiedasie878]

The more we know the farther we can endure while waiting for our lost ones to return. Hopefully, sooner rather than later we mend ourselves and become a guiding light when they are ready. The Narc in my daughter's life was my adoptive mother who did everything as Lisa said and drove a wedge between our relationship with mental cruelty, financial corruption, I was disowned and exiled. Narcs only desire to assume total domination over their target. I would never think that my daughter would have forsaken our relationship for this woman, I was wrong, I have mixed feelings because I have cptsd so separating how I felt when I was injured as a child also feeling abandoned by my adult daughter is tricky, I am working on bearing all that hurt it literally hurts my heart muscle. It was My choice to keep my daughter in the dark about my history ... Ignorance is Not the Bliss as they say so how do we mend moving forward, slowly. Emotional Hygiene, Happie

[@tfSmudge]

So informative & enlightening...

[@jennifergordon7083]

Thank you so much for this, Lisa!! I have been struggling with heartache because my older son has married a narcissist. What you are describing is what he is going through. I feel responsible because this was the dynamic of me and his father.

[@Halpin7]

This is so hard to hear but it’s like you stood back and watched our family. I wish my son would watch it but he wouldn’t see what I do. I guess we just give it time.

[@victoriabarry1561]

You have amazing insight. Thank you for sharing these observations.

[@lorineilson7529]

Thanks for giving me the tools I need to help my son.

[@DianeJoyDaly]

Thank you, Lisa. As I sit here crying and missing my beautiful daughter, who now hardly speaks to me, and withholds my three gorgeous granddaughters, I realise how toxic it's all become. Christmas was all planned to be at our home last year and she was finally free of him, after 7 long years of abuse, and was working hard to move on with her life. She and her three little girls finally had plans and she vowed and declared that he'd cheated on her for the last time, that his narcissitic abuse would not continue and that finally, she would be free. Then, just before Christmas, she changed her plans for Christmas Day. She wasn't coming after all. I understood that. So I delivered their gifts to their home. And there, in the driveway was his big bus! I knocked on the door and Miss Sixyearold opened it. "Hi, Nana. What are you doing here? You shouldn't be here!" "I've just brought your presents down for Christmas." "We're not coming to your house now, Nana. We're all going away in the bus, with Daddy. AND we're having a baby!" My heart feels broken. We've been through this SO MANY TIMES! I feel like I can't do it any more. I'm tired. I've had enough of my daughter's abuse over the past 7 years, with wild accusations about who and what I am. I've watched him hurt my granddaughters and my daughter so badly. I need finally, to look after me. I'm an empath! I've looked after everyone else, including her father for many years, who was also a narc! I feel guilty for even feeling this. But I'm tired!! Will she ever come back? Will it ever resemble what we had? Will she ever feel kind towards me again?

[@shelli1108]

This is soooo my story! Thank you so much for your work on the subject matter. Gratitude. Its been almost 10 years and have not met my only grand who is now 4. No contact im good...but pray for my daughter and granddaughter daily.

[@darleenmcbride8900]

Lisa please do some more videos on this. My son has been sick every since he married her. He had terrible stomach surgery!

[@rosavance9446]

This very thing is happening to my son and she won't let finish watching the video I've been trying to educate him on the topic

[@watchdiscern135]

I'm 29:42 into this video. And I know all of this. I know the symptoms. I lived them. I need to know how/or if I can rescue/save/help her. It's so hard to hear what I know she's going through. I'm afraid that she will take her life. Please have a solution!!

[@MiaMeezy]

Oh my heart, this is exactly where we are. I miss my son and grandson. My heart is always missing pieces. Time I can't get back, with my son & grandson.

[@maryjohnson2878]

I completely understand. I’m dealing with this too. Any better for you now??

[@BrendaLG]

Thank you so much. I’m living this for over 10 years now.

[@AM-wh5he]

So sad, we are going through the same

[@darleenmcbride8900]

I knew it from the moment he met her that something was wrong. I actually told my friend. It's been a nightmare. I can't even sleep, eat or think straight and I'm too old and sick for this.

[@ShirleyDrake-xx2cs]

I have experienced this , one generation down. Two of my granddaughters have had exploitive relationships with the men they have had relationships with. The problems with the grandchildren have been never ending. One of them has even lost custody of her four children due to the relationship with the narcissist . Then to add insult to injury , the grandmother (a step grandmother) who has 100% in control is also quite controlling and possibly narcissistic herself. There is a great deal of jealousy involved there. I often wonder if she has no empathy for the children at all. There seems to be a huge number of these personality disordered people out there in the wild, because almost everyone out there has lost several years of their lives dealing with one of these guys.

[@EveningTV]

My ex weaponized my family against me. Now, 20 years later, they are all still in touch and I've been estranged ever since the divorce started. My sons were still with me but they have both been involved with abusive women who used their deep childhood wounds to control them, and the cost was tremendous. Hard for me to understand my own parents reaction when this was happening to me.

[@greetdons8871]

Thank You soooooo MUCH for this clear explanation ❤

[@golondriz3]

More than golden nuggets Lisa. Treasures!! Treasures!!! Thank you!!!

[@matthewbrown8679]

So much of what I read here reminds me of my daughter and son in law. My son in law is a vulnerable narcissist, but with a couple grandiose narcissistic traits. I've come to realize that my daughter always had a few vulnerable narcissistic traits, but she had so many defenses against those tendencies, and was a loving, empathetic person. No longer.

[@Sky-x-12]

Wow I feel like you were literally talking to me amazing and I will definitely be watching your videos thank you

[@stephr9859]

This happened to both of my kids, but by their father. This is exactly the same process as parental alienation

[@populusalba8461]

thanks for all this and thus subscribed, i have a lot to learn.

[@Angels_surround_me747]

Ive dealt with these exact same things with my adult son (s). And their gf ( s)

[@bettyroberts4156]

Lisa, Great video and timely! As parents, we should not continue to suffer in silence. I think anyone's child can be ensnared by a narcissist. However, I do not believe that there could always be issues such as insecurity, etc. It can also be a an immediate situational issue that we might be clueless about about. No one's child is safe. I recommend studying Steve Hassan's BITE model and almost all targets of cults/narcissists fit this model. I absolutely agree--this is criminal. I think legislation should be passed criminalising this insidious abuse, but education has to be a part of things.

[@shellshellshell5126]

Thank you❗❗❗💕