When Your Opponent Kills You, You Win

[@scottpayne7862]

If you ever make another element in the future, i have an idea for a theme. Blinking. if you don't know, blinking is when you remove a card from play, and then returning it to the field. this can be advantageous either just by triggering Enter the battlefield effects again, or even temporarily removing an attacking creature there can even be cards that gain an advantage from cards being blinked. this way, it's really strong on its own, but can also benefit the other elements.

[@josephmartin9737]

There’s actually going to be 16 elements. Check community posts to see the polls for voting on each one over time

[@mewingdaspider7818]

Oh… I though it was when you close and open your eyes really fast.

[@PicesQ]

The bounce card is exactly what you are describing; it is from the Shadowverse CCG. Take this a step further; there are cards from the game that could be stronger or have additional benefit from the amount of bounce (blink) you do in one turn.

[@dat_sniper_boi2293]

I ALSO PLAY MTG 😂😂

[@Benusr]

Eyeballs with the blinking mechanic...

[@HappyHobbying]

Based on how the mechanic works, that sounds less like shatter and more like resonate or resonance.

[@FurbGurger]

I agree 👍

[@moderndavinci6599]

The keyword should be shatter, and the active ability "Resonance"

[@Nautiliam]

​@@moderndavinci6599 That's exactly what I was thinking too

[@feluriandelights4156]

thirded

[@shadysheep539]

thats what i was thinking too lol

[@mydrillasanjay5397]

A death rattle is a persons final breath or the rest of the air leaving someones lungs upon death

[@RybackToTheFuture]

In general yes, but in terms of card games it's an "on death" effect in Hearthstone.

[@FernTheRobot]

I like this core mechanics of crystals. It conveys a sense of glass resonating with each other, except in the glass scenario its the source of the resonance that causes other glasses to shatter instead of the shattering crystal causes other crystals to resonate.

[@メシャ]

i think maybe smth like "Resonance" would be a more appropriate name for the Shatter ability?? really cool concept!

[@drsherifff]

The term "Deathrattle" comes from Hearthstone. Other games call this "Last Breath", "Deathwish" or nothing at all, like Magic

[@Aplesedjr]

It’s also just a word, meaning the breathy sound someone makes when they die.

[@starsilverinfinity]

its very fitting for crystals, though I imagine "death tinkle" or something is more fitting

[@residentfacehead3465]

It was Last Breath in LoR

[@drsherifff]

@@residentfacehead3465 I knew something was off, thank you

[@dillonkaseysmith]

It’s not a keyword ability but this is called a death trigger in MtG

[@evant1166]

That was the best merch plug I've ever seen.

[@nracryz8231]

The hellish sound at the end really caught me off guard

[@MyNamesJeff493]

A thematic way to potentially balance crystals would be limiting how many times a card can trigger it's shatter ability until it shatters itself. Basically, lets say Lazoid Tower can get it's shatter ability 5 times, and after the 5th time it gets destroyed (or damaged). This would allow you to add a bunch of very powerful cards that could easily lead to you losing if you misuse them. Not to mention, your opponent can also play around them, activating shatters at inopportune times. Also, I saw someone else mention a better name for the "shatter" mechanic being "resonance". You can keep "shatter" as a trigger phrase that activates "resonance" though.

[@Mehetti]

Maybe some cards have shatter priority and vice versa?

[@navidryanrouf441]

Rather than "shatter", I feel like this ability makes more sense by calling it "resonance" since it simultaneously triggers all abilities of other cards with the same ability

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

A crystal s on death, the noise of which s with the otjer nearby crystals.

[@maxdon2001]

Good luck with the balancing!

[@GreffDodo]

as someone who's been following the journey of this game since devlog 2, it's amazing how much it has progressed in just four months. Kudos to you, and good luck with balancing!

[@theman6422]

A death rattle is a noise that something or someone makes when they die. In video game spaces, its usually referring to a comical form of this. Think about the Dark Souls male death sound or maybe even the early street fighter loss sound effect. Nothing beats GUUUUuuuuuuhhhhhh… and UWAA-UWAA-uwaa-uwaa…

[@bag-manbaron2547]

Its specifically the wet or gurgling noise that comes from the back of a dying/dead person's throat, what you described was a death cry

[@scornboi]

damn I was really looking forward to playing crystals, can’t wait for it to get added eventually to the playtest lol

[@BigHoles]

It wont take too long!

[@mrsherm8639]

Curious idea have you thought about an idea for glass fodder enemy that is as follows: a 1/1 that cant move or attack but damages enemies on movement through an area? For example the shard is kinda like the spike weed plant from PvZ. You could have it die once used once, or only allow it to be in positions on the boarder between land zones! Again all just ideas throw out there, I’m excited to see the last of the core elements come to life, and see what they do! Love the video structure and what you’re doing with it keep it up!

[@quuirrel19_-sz9pj]

That was perhaps the most accurate and funny ad for a merch store I have ever heard, thank you for gifting us with that

[@picklechinahboy2369]

2:37 why is jake so caked up bro

[@yonatanchapal7800]

Probably my favorite part in the video was the merch plug. And I mean it as a compliment.

[@stevengardner2496]

I really want to play this Also is that the horde of many piece from root the board game 3:17

[@trinstonmichaels7062]

Yes this project is getting ready good.

[@meatloaf7939]

Man I love that Lizard Hole design

[@itmefalco]

7:24 as a DM and digital artist, this hits very close to home.

[@tonberry1924]

Since there are many foder units in the game, you could now tie two elements together with a swarm and sacrifice playstyle. Swarm lizards and 1/1 shards could be consumed by a unique lizard/crystal to trigger its effect. Example: Lizards could burrow and stack up units + Crystals spawn 1/1 shards Then you could have a unique general that is both a Lizard/Crystal with 2 abilities| One ability is triggered by the shattered effect The other ability allows you to consume swarm cards to trigger effect

[@hugodiniz1433]

I don't know if you are still accepting element ideas, and i do not want to type one in every episode you have, but i keep having ideas, so i will say at least this one up. What about a vapor, ice and water theme? It is all about water, vapor and ice cards, using spells to change the temperature of the area and change the unit in some way. Since sustain seems to be important when creating a card theme, this could be a spell focused deck, where these spells, if causing the right change in the right unit or building, create new units, maybe even disposable cards. It could have things like a lake house that can become a cloud house, a ice horse that becomes a cloud shark, or a water bodyguard that can get extra damage when frozen, or extra movement when heatened up. There could be this rare, super strong spell called the triple point, that aplies all the temperature effects possible, and may be related to the way sustain works in this deck, or may be the disposable card i talked earlier Just to be clear, my main inspiration was with that Carroll character that appeared in the tower episode. Also, a theme around the cycle of water, and the changes of water, or just a water themed deck could be very cool

[@fakeskyler2305]

Seems like territory for the "Blue" element EDIT: Frozen Lakes, too

[@josefacousillasrodriguez8835]

That is actually a ver y good and original idea

[@hugodiniz1433]

@@josefacousillasrodriguez8835 thanks. I have lots of ideas, from concepts like subdecks, to deck themes (like how a plains deck could work, or a beach deck), but is strange to talk about all of them when i already had time to talk before. Other people also have great ideas, like that blinking idea that is somewhere in this comment section, and i feel they also deserve space to speak them, you know? Still feel a little bad for not being able to talk about them, but i find peace in the fact people like the ones i have talked about

[@ChargeQM]

Ice is one of the main elements of the world, along with slime, fire, and candy, so I think it works. However, you mentioned 'sub-decks' so maybe have an Elementals deck that has all four elements, but you can choose to focus on each, or combine their strengths somehow? Like, maybe there's a sort of element cycle where, for example, a Slime elemental monster gets a boost to its stats (for battle only) if there's a Candy elemental monster in its lane (slime dissolves candy) but a Fire monster will burn away the slime, Ice can stifle fire's heat, and Candy can withstand and break ice. If you have all four in one lane, they're effectively immortal in battle, but can still be destroyed by effects. The elements support one another, but it's difficult to set it up. Sort of a budget Exodia. Or, you focus one. Candy has creatures who split into smaller creatures, so a Candy structure (a candy hospital) may allow you to re-assemble your smaller ones into a big one again, 'reviving' them if they spend a turn or two inside. Meanwhile, ice creatures have that cycle of existence you mentioned, Slime creatures gain power and steal tags from consuming other creatures (but must consume to survive in non-Slimed lands), and Fire burns tags away from enemies and has lands that harm non-elementals, making them the defensive option.

[@I5g58]

Idea. Orphan element. You generate a bunch of orphan tokens, then sacrifice them to summon boss monsters.

[@imatiu]

I mentioned in another video that the condition for shatter to activate could be the way the units die, being hurt but surviving could make the units "Crack" units dying by receiving just enough damage could make them "Break" and dying from overwhelming damage, like 2 points of damage to a unit with a health of 1, or due to an effect of a card that "destroys" it, could be "Shatter" This could mitigate some of the issues with making the archetype work, since then you could make units with a lot of health not have any "Crack" effect but have a very strong "Shatter" effect, you could also add structures that change the requirements around in order to have some potentially broken combos, or make units that want to be keept alive since their "Crack" effects are good even if they have low health. This may be a bit too complicated for a single element though, so I can see it not being what you want out of how Cristals work.

[@Nshadowtail]

Maybe it could be worth going the "Shatter X" route? Let X be the maximum number of Shatter effects that can be triggered when the creature Shatters-- could do a lot to keep things from getting out of hand.

[@BramLastname]

If you want to prevent an infinite amount of creatures, Just make it so creatures summoned by Shatter effects don't have the Shatter keyword themselves. This creates a finite amount of times Shatter can be triggered giving the deck a lose condition outside of losing all structures.

[@SamiNoir]

Another idea I had for a Fourth element is an element based around the mechanic of an extra zone that the more it is full with cards(witch will be possible thanks to other cards)the more it will activate effects an example of that will be a card that if you have 10cards in that extra zone can put both itself and a enemy creature to that extra zone thus nullifying that combat interaction or a card that buff's itself by having 4 or more cards

[@Martinov150]

I think it would be very interesting if this card game had few options or customization to each deck but that there were many differents elements each with its deck, since the show give a nearly infinite amount of possible elements.

[@Axegarden]

sky tower structure: destroys 1 enemy tower every 5 rounds and gets taller for every time

[@absolutelynot615]

Death rattle abilities are basically just like any other one time use abilities, just balance it around that and you will be fine.

[@hotpotpotato132]

I want to say that I really enjoy your creative journey! It’s inspiring how you’ve combined the game lore and mechanics closely with your own creative spin. Wish you good luck with your project ❤

[@ajb128128]

“Cards war” is a very adventure time esk name to get around the copyrights. It probably wouldn’t work but I have a feeling the artists would enjoy the joke.

[@zigorro3478]

Lmao the merch plug scenario was so accurate super funny

[@superdimentiobrolyX]

The way you made shatter work reminds me of the mtg archetype "aristocrats", creatures that trigger when other creatures die

[@absolutelynot615]

I think making their key word "resonate" and making it trigger on damage or when another resonate creature takes damage (during another player's turn) in the same location could be fun, but nerf the abilities if you do lol.

[@maglev0789]

One very specific small idea I had was a creature with both Husk and Shatter, since I find having like one or two cards in one element with a different element's signature ability to be a very interesting idea. This might be horribly unbalanced but you live and learn.

[@BramLastname]

As is now, creating a creature with both Shatter and Husk requires a meaningful downside, As Husk gives you additional cards which gives you additional Shatter triggers on later turns, Which creates the infinite summon problem this video talked about. It can be done, but it's deceptively powerful to mix abilities without the intended downsides in your strategy.

[@erinkarp]

Shatter affecting other creature's abilities is super cool!!!

[@noah_Lemon]

I really like your videos 🍋

[@SkineSky]

Little worried that the crystal deck will be more of a Mono Deck since its whole gimmick only works with itself, activating only when other crystals die. The best remedy I see to that is having cards that increase and/or give Shattering to other creatures so using other decks doesn't seem like a wasted opportunity. Also, the problem of having a chain reaction of Shattering effects going off can probably be solved by adding a Resonance restriction to the Shattering effect. This could make it so that it activates only a certain number of shattering effects upon death or only activates shattering effects in the same lane, 1 lane, or adjacent lanes. Follow up to that could also be giving shattering to your opponents creatures as well, maybe it also gives them a bit extra health for balancing, or maybe make it even worse by making units immobile for a turn or 2, either or. Well, regardless, keep up the great work! These kind of decks have always been my favorite, so I'm really looking forward to the end result!

[@ghostinabowl2306]

I feel like the ability should be called resonate as that makes more sense with crystals and how they resonate with other crystals when struck and it makes more sense for this to happen with multiple things at once they resonate with each other

[@theolanderdilag3872]

Oddly enough when you said "death rattle" on Crystal, I was immediately inclined on False Throne on Library of Ruina lmao, just because it's an ability that lets you revive your allies for 1 turn, full recovery and all of that

[@blipboigilgamesh7865]

this might sound stupid BUT, it would be very cool if rather than the shatter effect of when a crystal creature dies affect ALL of the other units, it instead worked in a delayed, shockwave pattern, so that, say, adjacent lanes would get affected first, then the next lane over. This could be coupled over with some rule dictating a maximum number of shatter skills present in a single lane. This all could create scenarios where smart players can layer multiple different layers of effects that will hit with a delay. Of course, this is just a random thought, but I really like it nonetheless. I'm thinking of stuff like one of the shatter skills damaging every creature in a lane, including other crystal creatures which would shatter themselves and cause another "shockwave", that kinda stuff. It would require lots of knowledge to properly play that though. Probably the thing I'd like the most about "delayed shatter" as I'll call it is that it would play very differently in, say, larger maps with more than 4 lanes, and that it would take into account a player making set ups that last more than two turns to reach a full end goal. Basically a good crystal player could dominate the rhythm of a match while still not being unbeatable.

[@BramLastname]

While cool it's very impractical outside of a digital environment, It's a lot of additional bookkeeping for no additional reward or balance. Also the doors element does a lot with adjacency, So I don't think tying the main mechanic of Crystals to adjacency is the right call.

[@asrieldreemurr1988]

Pretty sure deathrattles are from hearthstone

[@azazaz1587]

That hypothetical social situation was too accurate for comfort lol

[@OverlordZenith]

Maybe too late, but if Shatter is triggering other cards it might be better to use the term Resonate instead, as that's something that crystals do that effect other nearby crystals.

[@Kayrapt]

I didn't really like the element having the shatter keyword and still requiring another creature to have a 'responding ability' to it? It makes them dependant in a sort of bad way. Sure you need to build your deck accordingly but it still limits its coworking options with other cards. Now here is my idea on how it could be done instead: 1 - Whenever a shatter creature dies, it applies the attributed effect to their shatter still to the said creatures. Ex: Melanchard died, damaging all creatures on the board. Ex: Shard O' Shardoom died, bringing doom to their current landscape. 2 - Whenever a creature(enemy/ally/both) dies the creature with the shatter keyword triggers its effect. Ex: An enemy died, so Growachard grew a Chard. Ex: An ally died, so Shardening Chard gained 1hp. Ex: A creature died, so Mother Chard suffered 1dmg. Also, damn your membership.

[@skeletonfriend1092]

how did i catch this like 2 seconds ago

[@Lucas-gm3ri]

good luck with everything, love what you guys are doing :)))

[@jake5219]

How did you just describe every conversation about a KZbinr you like, ever had

[@Lord-of-The-Crabs]

Maybe make it so the shards have an alternate version of shatter that requires a condition to be met, so you can’t just cause a bunch of shards to be made, then kamikazee them into the enemy which creates even more shards creating a possible infinite feedback loop, maybe make it an alternate version called fragment which can only happen once per turn to keep it balanced?

[@boofiman6082]

one of the elements should be super porp like in that one Susan episode, Deep Purple! the flavor of the element is using a universal but simple spell ("porp syrup") to activate effects on creatures with the text: addicted. you would get porp syrup by structures adding it to your hand. the syrup could have a simple effect like: activate all addicted cards. They could get a stat boost, add cards to your hand, summon smaller creatures, or do some crazy effect. a way the element becomes tied to the land could be some sort of give and take mentality with the structures and creatures. ie: structures need creatures to be on same land/adjacent to really pump out more porp syrup. there could also be some sort of win condition card with Pure Porp Syrup. Its inspired by the part of the episode (Deep Purple) when the porp workers merge into one mass. Playing the Pure Porp Syrup spell could cause all your addicted cards to combine stats into one large super porp creature that grows in stats every use of the regular porp syrup spell. There would be nuance in this gameplay loop of developing a porp factory with all these addicted slaves (like in the episode). Imagine a call and response between playing the syrups and your board echoing in all these different addict effects. Of course it would be a slower burn, endgame sort of element but that would play into its flavor.

[@Eleven217]

How about a building/fortification focused desk?

[@ronanhartman8942]

infinite loops or 'breaking everything' should be fine as long as it is difficult enough to pul off. Alteranate wind conditions like that are some of the most satisfying things to pull off as long as they equiventally difficult as winning the game the normal way.

[@gallaros9]

For Crystals, maybe be a bit more specific in the wording to make it more balanced. Like, if you are planning to allow general death rattles, have them have a different activation time. Let's say like this: Death rattle: on death Shatter: after death So if you for some reason introduce a silly deathrattle card like "Glassed voidhole lizard" which on death creates a black hole, killing all creatures in play, it triggers before shatter, therfore removing the option to trigger shatter effects of creatures, leaving only structures. (I know how imbalanced the lizard creature is, this is just for sake of example) Also, if you wish for multiple creatures to trigger effects on shatter, without it being overpowered, I'd recommend to make Shatter specifically a targeted trigger, while giving units you want to always trigger a different tag, like Resonance or crystalize or smth. That way, you can balance the always-triggering effect cards more easily

[@HauntlessTND]

I think the name Turf War fits, as a turf war is literally a battle over land.

[@Zahri8Alang]

Death rattle is an actual phenomena that tends to happen on humans(cuz theyre loud breathers and its dependent on the amounr of liquids/secretions in the airway) Described as a being choked or gargling sound, hm

[@Arrow_of_Times]

5:32 "I don't like the idea that it's overwhelmingly rigid like that" ...like a crystal?

[@mikutrash5050]

Crystals also reflect, and refract, and are very hard. Ruby is a Cristal, and reacts to uv light to make visible red light, and are useful for making lasers.

[@chaos4654]

If Crystal monsters shatter or perish, the terrain should become slightly hazardous to non- Crystal Cards (or squishy body monsters) where they were defeated. Just a bit of damage anytime they move over the afflicted area.

[@pulsarbeam3857]

This series makes me want to see a spin off show that's just about competitive card wars You can even do Corn has power Lizardholes have power Doors have power As episode titles as is presidented in the series

[@saltysauce8692]

Obviously the new name will and should be Big Gay Holes, hence the website

[@lawsontake7383]

I love game design so much

[@AlphaBit73]

Other people have commented the use of the phrase in relation to card games and what the phrase means; if you were curious the etymology of the phrase "death rattle" supposedly appears to have emerged in ~1805. Before this, there was the similar phrase "death throes," appearing as early as 1300, circa Online Etymology Dictionary

[@pulsarbeam3857]

Another solution would have been a lot easier to work around this if you also had abilities in the set where the card is basically dead weight but does something on being drawn or discarded Then chaining some of those garbage cards together could meet the conditions for shattering I do like having shatter be this shockwave idea

[@eldritchsheep6801]

The death rattle is the last raspy breath a person takes before death if you were wondering

[@GavinBisesi]

You could also use shatter as a balance mechanic, for example having a powerful creature which gets weaker or dies on shatter

[@theevbomb]

Death rattle is from the Hearthstone card game

[@craz2580]

The most great Merch plug, i'll never skip it lol

[@niclong4972]

I want to see an element that functions like Finns pig strategy, a stupidly basic and simple minded strategy but if you don’t take them seriously enough in the early game then they will have absolute board control before you realize it

[@CaptainAOrange]

The snake crystals combo is about to go crazy

[@beastteacher4162]

Perhaps have multiple different frequencies that the crystals use. A card with a shatter tag only signals shatter abilities while a fracture tag does the same for fracture abilities

[@samuelspringer8236]

THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST MERCH AD IN HISTORY.

[@nicolasserradilha6238]

I think the therm death rattle in card games comes from hearthstone but might be wrong

[@hqTheToaster]

Not a member. But situationally, it makes me wonder if un-copyability was applied to any characters. Also, I wouldn't be able to help anyway even if I was a member because balance isn't a skill I've refined well enough (yet?). For example, I suppose Far Away Star would be broken as a card in this game as it would take turns being a Crystal and a [mute] type, and the player would get to choose between coating it in un-copy armor or just silence certain effects. But Far Away Star would also have an 'Only One' effect where it can't duplicate itself and where the 'Only One' effect isn't counted as an effect; think of that like having a worldline where the character doesn't just 'show up' unless only one of it does. No, I wouldn't call it Far Away Star in this case; OC, do not steal. But yeah, if you want the idea, you can use it, just name it different. It translates weird because I only watched this video and I'm barely more used to YuGiOh or Solitare.

[@dmnspwn9800]

0:32 Its From Hearthstone

[@mikebig321]

under a minute 🤯

[@Timberdoodle720]

Shatter ability where it just explodes

[@TheNoodlerNoodleASMR]

I unfortunately think the thing that killed the retention of this series was the fact that its being made on tabletop sim

[@FurbGurger]

Dont forget to add some OP cards like that valcano Jake uses

[@EPICBROTIME123]

New element idea SPUNGRO hahahahhahahaaHAHaAhahaAhahaHeHehhehehHAhheAhha

[@FossilApostle]

I think you should work on the keywords. Instead of using shatter twice, try: Fragile: when this creature dies, it Shatters Mirror: when an Ally Shatters, activate X effect Shatter: a condition caused by death, may activate effects on players field Allows for better keyword interactions if you seperate them

[@egg5802]

I would probably have given crystals a leg up in the economy, given that they are made of rare materials and also dying constantly.

[@starsilverinfinity]

Its not gonna be called ancient psychic tandem war elephant? :(

[@FromIdeologytoUnity]

If its based around the dying, why not having more of them TO die? somehow

[@helloimjoyo872]

What if you take a play out of Yugioh? Like having certain cards and buildings that benefit from shatter requiring a certain amount of shatter creatures to die to get the effect you want. This way it lessens the creatures on the field and if you limit the ability to mass replicate these crystal creatures, it would help even more.

[@acidnz1664]

an idea for balancing and adding strategy could be adding a number value after the shatter keyword to trigger a certain number of shatter abilities making the players choose what they want activating and when?

[@TheSyborgue]

Im so exciteddd

[@The1Jayman]

I know death rattles from hearthstone

[@zenbloom193]

With the crystal cards, definitely not all of them should have a shatter effect. Like, if you are planning to do duel element cards, then a lizard man wearing crystal armor would be perfect! He doesn’t have any shatter effects himself but could trigger others instead!!

[@vonnegutfrey8714]

What if you made it so that shatter only affects things in the same zone the creature died in. That way, poisoning is what can stop their effects from triggering, and they might play sort of like explosive charges. Let me explain; in the first part of the game, you try to place your crystals in strategic positions as your opponent tries to stop you; then, if you get all set up, you can wombo combo with activating cascading shatter effects to win the game in a cool premeditated combo, like planting bombs and then blowing them all up at once.

[@edfreak9001]

betting the official name will be something referencing the various lands

[@pining_tree6788]

I will hold the ‘add a bazillion random emotion cards to ur deck for crazy abilities’ in my pocket good sir

[@johnspartan5722]

Hope the candy and ice kingdoms can become a deck someday

[@CorterzReborn0]

How did bro get a dot gay domain 😭😭😭

[@undergravitydownforce714]

Good luck! cant wait to see the future for this silly thing

[@bor3i_klb]

I love this series but it was complicated from the start

[@Jambguus]

Can’t wait for the fifth secret element; gay

[@dat_sniper_boi2293]

Blood artist goes brrrrrr

[@SouScare]

Bro you are hero 💪

[@25-Dimensional]

I still dont know if the game will be on steam/ app store or just tabletop simulator