When Zeus and Hera Agree

[@wildcardjoey4776]

To answer the question of if Zeus was equally a creep to men, look no further than the myth behind the constelation Aquarius

[@codyraugh6599]

As I started to allude to in the Thunder bringer Song's comment section. Zeus is like that one guy from Baki, all mortals are women to him.

[@grimm_satisfaction1292]

Ganymede, right?

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

He was also a pedophile!

[@gokbay3057]

@@grimm_satisfaction1292 Ganymede is the story behind Aquarius. He becomes the cupbearer of the Gods (I guess Hebe is busy being married to Heracles or something, or more likely Zeus just wanted to keep his boytoy close).

[@luafreire1026]

Fun fact: There's at least two versions where Medea doesn't kill her children, one where she turns them into birds so they'll survive and another where the citizens of the kingdom killed them, so Medea turns them into birds in their dying moments. So that's neat.

[@herodotus945]

People in Corinth did believed in the "killed by mob" version. In Corinth, every year, they had a ritual in which 7 boys and 7 girls from noble families performed penance to ask for their forgiveness. According to their version, after the mob killed the children their ghosts came back and killed every baby in Corinth so this ritual served to soothe their anger.

[@sullymd1]

That is a nice theory but I do believe she did it because she was enrage and wanted to punish Jason hence killing her children and at the end he said You Killed *My* Children ! 😑 Oh so they're children once they're dead Jason 👏But Medea is still a interesting subject she was never punish for her crimes she displayed true divine power look down on Jason 😂 It's a bit refreshing since most of the women in story's are usually treated with Cruelty even god's like Hera and Athena are not safe

[@supremefankai5480]

It's actually surprising that Zeus doesn't really get involved in Jason and Medea's story because Hera called super dibs and stayed out of her way.

[@herodotus945]

That is because consistency didn't existed in ancient Greek myths, every city and region has its own version and treating these myths like some fantasy novels with character development or cohesive plot lines would be innaccurate.

[@cameronmcindoe6119]

Fun Fact Typhon's head was said to "brush the stars" as he walked so yea Kaiju is an adaqute description of the Big Boi. He also depending on the version he has 50 snake heads that constantly made random noises on his shoulders. Also the fact that The Greek god's first reaction to Typhon was to change their identites (to animals) and move to another country is absolutely hillarious but frankly understandable.

[@Dostoron]

What the myth doesn't mention, the prow of the Argo depicted Hera, the lady personally stomped him out.

[@blueteller]

Very fitting

[@vigilantsycamore8750]

Fun fact about Typhon: there's one account which says that, during his rampage, Typhon also tried to fight Selene, the goddess of the moon. Selene *won*. Didn't even get destringed like Zeus did, though she did apparently get some cool battle scars out of it

[@khylerbane4523]

That’s surprising considering Typhon is… Typhon. But I guess what happens when you challenge a primordial.

[@hexbug9737]

​@@khylerbane4523 she's a titan

[@DanGamingFan2406]

17:04 "THE ONE (golden) FLEECE IS REEEEAL!" Sorry, I had to. You gave me the perfect pun opportunity.

[@Airier]

😁

[@utlukka950]

I think the reason Medea killed her sons, other than hurting Jason, was because they were accomplices in murdering a Greek royal and they were not born as Greece citizen. They only got Greece citizenship because of Jason's relationship with the princess. Because of the murder, they lose Greece citizenship and would be put into slavery. So in that situation, Medea killed them since she felt that death is better than living life in slavery.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

She could have brought them with her. She could even let Jason deliver the poisoned dress. Their death were meant to hurt Jason, nothing more

[@utlukka950]

@aokhoinguyenang3992 I mean, she was high on murder at the moment. She's smart but still controlled by her anger and hatred. So, the thought of bringing her sons with her was an afterthought. Also Medea was promised a place in Athens, not her kids.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@@utlukka950 She also left that place eventually so not staying there isn't a big issue

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@@utlukka950 That's the thing, she did it for hatred & nothing else.

[@Nevri.]

1 comment under original video gave pretty good explanation. Back in the day, especially for those myths, lineage and bloodline were everything. Leaving your children to continue your legacy was almost as important as being the hero in the first place. By cheating on Medea and breaking god's vow, Jason pretty much made sure no other woman in the entire world is going to want to marry him and by killing their children Medea basically permanently ended his bloodline, dealing to him the ultimate wound.

[@Nevri.]

34:56 1 comment under original video gave pretty good explanation. Back in the day, especially for those myths, lineage and bloodline were everything. Leaving your children to continue your legacy was almost as important as being the hero in the first place. By cheating on Medea and breaking god's vow, Jason pretty much made sure no other woman in the entire world is going to want to marry him and by killing their children Medea basically permanently ended his bloodline, dealing to him the ultimate wound.

[@DragoSonicMile]

38:35 , "I wouldn't say it's their human flaws, more like his very, very stupid flaws." -Management needs you to find the difference between these two pictures. Me: They're the same picture.

[@peterhacke6317]

The different is THEIR flaws or HIS flaws. Cause you might argue that medea did nothing wrong.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

The difference is: one acknowledge both were at fault, the other only accept that Jason is at fault & ignore Medea contribution to the tragedy

[@Krokmaniak]

7:10 Fun fact. Greeks were spelling Thoth Θώθ what is funny in modern context

[@Airier]

... I am never going to be able to forget this. 😶

[@Krokmaniak]

@@Airier My job is done

[@mollywantshugs5944]

@@Airierit gets worse. Thoth was a god of knowledge so it would be appropriate to ask him, “OwO, what’s this?”

[@Merrsharr]

@@mollywantshugs5944 except you misspelled Θώθ there

[@mollywantshugs5944]

@@Merrsharr idk how to do that on my keyboard

[@CommissarMitch]

Is Typhon moreally less dubious than Zeus? Yes. Is he a good guy? Definetly not.

[@Creticus]

Eh. You don't cheer for Zeus as a human because you think he's a good guy. You do it because you wouldn't fare well in a world dominated by Typhon and his human-eating kids.

[@Gore1704]

IIRC, there's actually another version of the story where she didn't kill the kids, and it was the people of this city/kingdom that did and that the "Medea killed the kids" is the version of the story said city-kingdom told.

[@Megamanlanprime]

I think you’d really enjoy a new adaptation of the Odyssey being made into a modern musical called Epic: The Musical. Also - you still need to watch “We’re so Sorry” from OSP.

[@nevermind9835]

Just thought about commenting that, I definitely think that he would enjoy EPIC, either as a reaction series or on a personal time

[@Historyfrek4ever]

Hera and Zeus agree on something! What delusional fever dream fanfic is this?

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

_ Yeah, this is a tragedy caused by *BOTH* of their inherent flaws not just Jason's, unless you count vindictive murder happy as a plus. She had no need to kill their children. She was willing to suffer more than him(she love the kids more than him) as long as he suffer. Hell, after Jason she still tried to kill her next lover's sons _ Also if Jason was the kind of guy to just accept his lot in life, he would have never go on this journey or quit midd way & never would have met Medea. And if Medea wasn't the kind of person to narrow focus on 1 goal & ignore everything else, she would have never killed her brother as a distraction. Their determination to achieve their heart desire regardless of sacrifice is what brought them together & is also what destroy their relationship(and Jason's life) _ There is no better potential outcome for these 2 in the long run, so long as their flaws remained. Even if Jason got his lost throne, he still relied on Medea killing people to get there (she would likely still be killing his future enemies willy nilly), eventually that will come back to bite them in the butt

[@IONATVS]

On the Zeus mostly keeping to the girls front…mostly. It’s never explicitly stated in any of the primary sources, but it is commonly presumed that his cupbearer, Ganymede, was also likely another of his lovers. Despite being portrayed as, well, a CHILD. Which would fit neatly into a Greek cultural concept that was normalized in period but is objectively horrific to anyone else.

[@patisilence]

Out of curiosity heard of Epic the Musical? It's based of Odyssey and there's a lot of animatics for it. It's entirely told through songs.

[@jamescook5783]

I second reacting to it if able.

[@cobraglatiator]

given his reactions to these videos, i third the suggestion of him checking those out.

[@dansattah]

The beginning of the Typhon video references her breakdown of the Theogony. Plus some other past references to Zeus's appearances throughout her videos.

[@Charvale]

Here is an interesting prospect for a "What if-?" scenario; What if Medea was the first woman in a long line of sorceresses leading to Morgaine le Fay of King Arthur lore? In Herodotus's Histories it's stated that Medea eventually left Athens for the Iranian Plateau where she became so beloved the people literally named themselves the Medes in honor of her, but what if her story didn't stop there? What if she had more children, teaching one (if not all) her brand of sorcery, and they left to make their own way in the world. It wouldn't take but possibly another 40 years for one of her female line to marry into a French line and teach her daughter sorcery, only to have the daughter hear about some man up in England who claims to have learned his magic from the Fae. She goes to find this man, only to fall in love, marry, and have two daughters; one being Morgaine. She would teach her daughter what she knew in hopes of Morgaine meeting Merlin, and learning from him.

[@riverraven7359]

Its probably a Mycenaean story written down centuries later. Homer was recorded 400+ years after the Trojan war and some of the elements in the Argonautica make it sound VERY archaic. The Argo is the first bireme, Hercules uses a wooden club and nobody thinks it's weird, the golden fleece is an actual technique for trapping gold dust in the rivers of the Caucasus mountains. There is even a theory the story is even more ancient than that , where in the warm climate after the ice age the rivers of Ukraine are vast glacial meltwater runoffs and jason sails from Thessaly to goddamn AFGHANISTAN and Medea is a Proto-Indo-European with medical/alchemy knowledge unknown in stone age greece.

[@makinapacal]

There are different versions of the story of Medea. For example in one versions she does not kill her children, instead mob of Corinthians murder the children to avenge the deaths of the King and Princess. Medea responds to this by sending a cloud of poison into Corinth which kills many of the citizens as her own revenge. There were were versions in which she and Jason stay married and their children grow up to be Heroes. There are versions in which she ends up back in Colchis were she helps one of her brothers overthrow a usurper. In certain versions she has children by Aegeus, King of Athens, who are killed by Theseus when he comes, Medea in revenge gets back at Theseus by arranging for Aegeus to kill himself. Has for where Medea ends up? It is true we don't have any versions of her dying but we do have versions were she ends up marrying Greek Heroes after they are very dead. My favorite is her marrying Achilles and living on the islands of the Blessed after somehow getting Achilles out of the underworld.

[@herodotus945]

Island of the Blesses was part of the underworld, just above surface, the depiction of Achilles being underground in the Odyssey is not necessarily a universal belief among ancient Greeks. After all, the Odyssey and the Iliad were not religious texts.

[@WraythSkitzofrenik]

Gaia: here to remind you that Nature is MUTHA

[@nelleneulmer5385]

I can’t believe it took me this long to figure this out.🤦‍♀️ If Zeus punishes oath breakers he should punish himself in a very big way because, regardless of how Hera was forced into marrying Zeus😖😖😖, their marriage was still an oath to each other so his lack of faithfulness is a constant breaking of that oath.

[@Airier]

Yup.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

4:44 No, Dionysis wasn't set up as the successor to Zeus, nor did Red say that. I don't know where you got that from. Typhon is always the one destined to overthrow Zeus.

[@SuperAnime4444]

There was an Orphic Greek myth where Zeus and Persephone had a child, Zagreus. He was intended to be Zeus's heir. But Hera killed him. And Zeus had him reincarnated as Dionysus. That is one version of mythology.

[@benjaminbrock684]

Wouldn't put it too far from you. Each successor, so it seems, is the youngest son of each generation (Kronos, Zeus, Dionysus) and each represents a trait from their father (Dionysus may stem from Zeus's passion, Zeus stems from Kronos's ambition, (insert third analogy))

[@professorbutters]

You can find this in her Dionysus video. It’s Orphic Dionysus.

[@gokbay3057]

I once heard of a version where Apollo overthrows Zeus. Not 100% confident about it being real though. Also one could consider Athena being set up as one since the reason she burst out of Zeus' head was that he ate her mom since she was prophesized to brith a son stronger than him that would succeed him (and while the gender is wrong you could interpret this to mean Athena if you wanted to).

[@jasmineputal82]

Your combinations of Odysseus and other people have me now thinking of how the group of Odysseus, Medea (this video), Cassandra (the video about The Trojan War), and maybe Orpheus would interact. (I’m just adding Orpheus because I saw a post with him and Odysseus saying that mixing up the two would would be mistaking a liar for a lyre and I thought it was funny)

[@matthewdougherty1159]

🤯🤔i did not know Medea in the other myths and legends is the same Medea from Jason and the Argonauts. Given she was a witch, or a sorceress, i would not be surprised if she was one of the sources of Morgan le Fay for King Arthur or has some royal family tree somewhere that clamed to be descended from her since she has never died in the stories we know of.

[@Justic_]

Considering Morgan was originally a fairy, and a rather well-meaning one at that in the original versions, before she got conflated with Arthurs sister, and not a witch... probably no relation to Medea...

[@matthewdougherty1159]

@@Justic_ yes the original Morgan was one of the fay i was thinking of the retellings in the later legends and that people "borrowed" Medea from Jason and the Argonauts to make a cross pollinated story over time

[@ReinaSaurus]

acknowledgment of a wronged woman - not very often. medea definitely the carrier of the story and the success. props to hera for once instead of just letting her anger out on zeus unlucky lovers.

[@mjmage33]

Zeus has a bunch of male lovers. Notably Ganymede

[@lorax1274]

Bruva Alfabusa is making a H:TP adjecent series called Norfolk Wizard Game which is essentially just their friends playing Mage: The Ascension, but animated similarly to H:TP You should totally react to that!

[@insanemakaioshin]

11:55 - Zeus did have male lovers.

[@andrewberkin5505]

Echida is the name of an Australiasian monotreme, to most people a weird monster

[@straymerodach4713]

well, Medeea doesnt die in any specific story, but there is mention that she maries Achilles in the Elysium(the afterlife) so she dies of at least old age sometime.

[@herodotus945]

Must have been awkward when she meet Jason and the kids in Elysium again.

[@straymerodach4713]

@@herodotus945 jason maybe but i think you only get into Elysium if you`re famous so the kids wont be there

[@herodotus945]

@@straymerodach4713 They are famous aren't they

[@Bezaliel13]

Pretty sure Typhon never cheated on his wife ngl. 26:52 Man, the art is so simple yet effective.

[@1musamune]

yes I think she's speaking of Circe because the lack of a soft c sound in Greek which is why Cerberus is pronounce Kur-bur-us

[@khylerbane4523]

Ouranos: “I Cast the Heavens!” Kronos: “I cast Sickle!” Zeus: “I cast lighting bolt!” Typhon: *TTS Marnius Calgar voice* “I CAST FIST!” Kong and Godzilla better step aside, because Typhon is the *true* king of the monsters.

[@TalasDD]

acording to neil gaiman Media is still alive as a new god of Entertainment...... you get it.... Media.

[@herodotus945]

That is Media, a completely different person who suppose to be a modern deity with no relations to the ancient ones, like Tech Boy and Mister World.

[@TalasDD]

@@herodotus945 the second book of American gods (and the second series) make it clear that they are one and the same. Tech Boy at one point even has a fight with her about her not being a new god but only having "rebranded" and her being a traitor. The fight actualy mirrows the discussion Mr. Wednesday has with Istar.

[@herodotus945]

@@TalasDD and what exactly has Medea to do with entertainment ? You would think she would take a new form that is related to sorcery or child murder, like La LLorona. Also, Medea was never a goddess.

[@TalasDD]

@@herodotus945 in "American gods" Children and offspring of gods can become gods themselves if they gather some kind of worship (any emotion will do). Examples are Heracles, The queen of Sheba and others. As the Granddaughter of Helios Medea qualifies (especially since she canonically never dies). The Connection between Media and Medea in American gods is that the Worship the gods need to gather can be as little as having there name spoken as long as they except that as worship and there powers are formed and shaped by the belives of the worshipers, that why Istar becomes a spring goddess and tries to mooch off of the many Jesuses on Eastern, that why Vulcan engraves his name on ever bullet that when fired become a prayer to him, that why Lugh becomes bound to the coin. So as Medea excepted Media as her new name every time someone spoke about media it became a prayer to her making her way more powerful and giving her powers over Media. This is the whole base concept of American Gods. Mr. Wednesday became weak because he was cut of from his worshipers, Shadow moon becomes powerful because he becomes feared by some gods and respected by others. BTW simplefied for everyone: The connection the the talent for manipulation. Go read the book.

[@jannegrey]

Chorus - it is a Greek play by Eurypides.

[@geoshark12]

17:07 and one hero is constantly getting lost

[@delrodriguez9422]

Medea is one my favorite osp videos unironically also watch in stars and time

[@oldeskul]

Jove is one of the many names of Zeus. If you want to find a king of the gods that isn't a complete dick and a creep, Odin.

[@JetBalrog]

Odin was even more of a trickster god, on top of that, in a very fun way most of the time. Lots of teaching lessons to unsuspecting people in ways that USUALLY didn't result in death. Usually.

[@Talyrion]

I also don't remember Ra having too many strikes against him - though I also don't remember Ra doing much of anything.

[@PhantomObserver]

I’m of the age where Mother Nature was a character for Chiffon margarine. “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature.”

[@ethancoltrane5754]

2:28: And also because Hera actually looks pleased with her life choices so far.

[@rotciv557]

I wouldn't say Atlantis made Jason a good guy, instead it just showed his entire personality instead of just his worst points, so the audience can develop a more nuanced take on him. It also helps that he's basically Fate's take on Kazuma from Konosuba.

[@dejinnthedjinn5311]

Jason: Hmm, who do I choose. The wife who's descendant from a Titan, related to a powerful nymph and witch, is a powerful witch, and has shown the tendency to be down with killing anyone be they family or not in typically brutal ways, or a normal princess? Obviously the normal princess! What could possibly go wrong?

[@Blahblah97555]

Detail Diatribe isn’t what you think it is. I’m not sure who told you that the series is about contextualizing myths in history, but it’s much more focused on modern writing and world building. The standard style for that series is to take a specific trait of writing, world building, or trope usage and go into extreme detail on one example of it, and how it works (e.g. discussing how pop culture osmosis recontextualizes stories by examining how Namek is changed in the modern day where even new anime fans enter the saga with a preexisting understanding of Super Saiyan) What you’re looking for is more in line with some of the “History Makers” series, specifically the episodes on specific authors like Homer.

[@IONATVS]

Jove is just another name for Jupiter, ie the Roman god syncretized with Zeus. Maybe he was less problematic than Zeus before the syncretism, but I kinda doubt it given the legally-distinct definitely-not-human-sacrifice oc-don’t-steal ritual executions Romans liked to do on the steps of the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, and even if he was, that version of him was basically completely replaced by the Hellenized version post syncretism.

[@cliffwarden5934]

Your description of media from fate was uncanny.

[@Airier]

I was pulling a lot from her Carnival Phantasm portrayal.

[@fang609]

25:48 Zues got so mad remembering about Jason doing this that his rage was felt in the real world XD

[@percyyval]

11:34 i assume she means circe. its kirke in homeric greek

[@Justic_]

Well... Typhon was one of the potential successors to Zeus from what I recall. Pretty sure Athena was one Zeus feared could be one, which is how her weird birthstory came about, but she's one of the Olympians now so chances are obviously she wasn't the one. Similarly Zagreus, Dionysos' prototype, was somewhat supposed to be Zeus' heir, but then he died and got reincarnated and that seems to have put that on hold. Ironically, Typhon appears in Fate in 2 forms, one more recently as Typhon-Ephemeros, Ephemeros being an ephemeral fruit that is given to Typhon in some myths in order to weaken him, with the logic in fate being that Typhon was weakened because the fruit seemingly absorbed part of Typhon... thus Typhon-Ephemeros. The other case is in the Case Files-novels, with one of the characters being turned into a vessel for Typhon as well, although no further details because of spoilers. The event in which Typhon-Ephemeros appears in FGO in actually does give us a good look at Typhons true mechanical body, and it's a giant dragon like Final Fantasys Bahamut, with 3 heads, and is actually a completely seperate mechanical lifeform from space that had beef with the Olympians even before they all arrived on earth. The rest of the information about him in fate is somewhat dubious since the event is only in Japanese so far and some of the info I read directly contradicts some other stuff, like him being the dad of the Gorgons, we know that in Fate the Gorgon-siblings weren't born as monsters but as divine spirits from the belief of the people, and Saber Medusas profile brings up how her child Chrysaor was the father of, among others, Echidna, who fathered a bunch of monsters with Typhon, so... that wouldn't make any sense. Also appearently in Fate Typhon stole and was sealed away with the Harpe, the weapon used to kill Medusa, so... that puts Typhons defeat AFTER Perseus' quest and all the Medusa-stuff in Fate? Just... very weird all around. Anyways, on to Medea! Well, Jason. It deserves mention that most likely the story of the Argonauts came out before the drama Medea, even though the Argonautica was only written after, so... for all we know, Jason and Medeas unhappy ending might not've been part of the original intent of the story, kinda like how Medusa being just screwed over by the gods was something just added way later by Ovid. Also, the story of Medea brings up SEVERAL problems with the timeline of Greek myth. So... Theseus, founding hero of Athens, was allegedly part of the Argonauts according to some versions. We know at some point later he messes up and gets trapped in the underworld, yet we also know he gets freed by Heracles, who also was also one of the Argonauts, so this all must've happened somewhat soon after the events of the Argonautica, and then Theseus was basically full-time king of Athens from what I recall... yet after all this, during Medeas drama, she meets... the father of Theseus, previous king of Athens... who threw himself off a cliff when Theseus returned from his first big quest of slaying the Minotaur because Theseus forgot to change the sails... so is the Argonautica set BEFORE or AFTER Theseus slays the Minotaur? In conclusion, the timeline of Greek myth is VERY inconsistent. Also, a bit of a hot-take, but I feel Medea deserves at least some of the blame for how things turned out, since part of what led to her and Jason having to flee from his kingdom was... because she murdered the previous king (granted so did the previous king iirc, so why's it a big deal now? Just because Jason wouldn't be a tyrant?)... and the reason she was about to be banished was... because she has made a name for herself through murdering a lot of the obstacles on Jasons quest. So... if she wasn't so murder-happy, the two of them would've had several less headaches to deal with. Jason was by no means a stand-up guy either, regardless of if he was okay with the murders or not, he still profited from them and was accessory to them, but you can get that by the end he was very much between a rock and a hard place, where they had nowhere to go, he was desperate to at the very least create a space for himself if not his entire family, yet there wasn't really much he could do for Medea and the distrust people had towards her that caused her to be banished once Jason started high enough that her potential risk could no longer be ignored. Granted the way he then confronted Medea about it afterwards was absolutely tone deaf and terrible, but at least to a certain extent Jasons actions up to that point were understandable, as is him potentially just breaking down as he's having an argument with Medea due to her imminent banishment. Like, he was pretty bad, but then again I wouldn't say as bad as the play seems to make him appear. In the end, he was human, which kinda hits hard with basically every other Argonaut being a demi-god.

[@gokbay3057]

The whole timeline in relation to Theseus is even more wack when you look at his origin story where he does 6 Labors and then arrives in Athens for the first time (having been raised by his mom who was a one night stand for Aegeus). When he gets there Aegeus is married to Medea. Which logically means that it must be set after the whole thing with Jason and before the Minotaur. And I though Theseus was supposed to be young when the whole Minotaur business happened, how does that work if he did either the Argonautica or attempt to kidnap Persephone be stuck in the Underworld thing before that? Theseus-Medea timeline is incredibly crazy.

[@nerdaccount]

First time watcher... I'm loving the reaction! Great video!

[@gokbay3057]

8:42 Lyrics from the song "Mad World". 11:37 In Ancient Greek and Latin C is always pronounced as K never as S. 11:50 As another person pointed out the Constellation Aquarius/Ganymede. 14:05 Nah, Jason is essentially her favourite hero. Like how Athena really likes Diomedes and Odysseus. This is why Jason Grace in the Heroes of Olympus series (the sequels to Percy Jackson & the Olympians is named after him, in hopes that it makes Hera tolerate his existence as a son of Zeus. Though yes, the actual mythological Jason does piss her off later as explained in the video. 16:06 I am not sure why you are surprised Red already said that this was set in the generation before the Trojan War. 21:20 The Odyssey is set after the Trojan War. 25:50 If it is thunder then Zeus is sending you a message. 30:37 Hey, I noticed something. If King Aegeus is around then Theseus can't be in the underworld since his father is around ie the thing with the Minotaur and forgetting to change his sails leading to his father throwing himself in the sea believing Theseus was dead hasn't happened yet. Though weirdly apparently there is a myth where after being raised away with his mother once Theseus first comes to Athens Medea is his father's wife. Which makes Theseus being with the Argonauts impossible. (This whole Aegeus and Medea being married and Theseus coming to Athens story is set before the whole Minotaur story as well.) 35:39 Adulterers sure but Zeus is the god of oaths and oathkeeping. He really isn't good with oathbreakers.

[@Sentinel_CYN]

I know you probably have a lot on your to-watch list, but please watch Murder Drones: Intermission by Ghoulinfuschia. It is surprisingly good and many fans have agreed it should be canon.

[@jennybrown7834]

Red does a Zeus video but it's also a orgin story for the Greek myth pantheon also there where three cases where zeus likes dudes namely aetos euphorion ganymede

[@geraldgrenier8132]

You are aware that Jove is just Latin conjugation of Jupiter aka just the Roman name of Zeus

[@DavidLange-d7p]

Honestly Medea is my favourite figure in greek mythology.

[@viktormadzov5286]

4:50 Its not so much variations as a revolving dore of hypothetical usurpers that never went anywhere because Zeus is either too strong, to cunning, or just know how to play the game. -Besides Typhon and Dionisis, there was the potential son from his first wife Metis, who would have been the prophesized next link in chain.... if he were ever born. Zeus predicted that might happen and managed to avoid that prophesy becoming a thing by consumed Metis before the boy ever got the chance to get conserved (long story, see OST Titanomachy). -Another example is Thetis, a goddess who Zeus had the hots for....right until the moment he learned that she was prophesized to bear a son greater then his father. To stop that from happening Zeus played matchmaker and got Thetis married to king Peleus, which led to her giving birth to Achelous. When looking at all the myths together, its not that there is one specific successor to Zeus's throne, but rather the constant possibility for someone that would continue the cycle manifesting, and Zeus always managing to dodge the bullet one way or another

[@gokbay3057]

One could consider that even without being a son Athena might still eventually be the one to succeed Zeus. I also remember once seeing something about Apollo being his successor (related to his incredible popularity in the post-Alexander and Roman era I suppose) but I am not certain if that is real or my brain playing tricks on me.

[@viktormadzov5286]

@@gokbay3057 Quite true. Thays why Zeus is usually smart enough not to get on her bad side. The guy respects and favoures her way more then his legitimet son Ares, and Athena usually isnt the irrational powerhungry type that Zeus and his forfathers were. Still, it is a legitamet and likely "what if" possabilety to consider. God of war curtainly did so

[@anyathepanther7977]

I was WAITING for this one! Medea is my personel Favorite^^

[@mythicalgirl2005]

Zeus did have at least one male lover.

[@jannegrey]

OSP is always great.

[@Airier]

True. 😊

[@jannegrey]

@@Airier "World's Horniest Ukelele"

[@AUCreatoer]

I love your reactions to these so much :))

[@CGomm-le7gv]

16:26 Dude have you never seen the 1962 Jason and the argontus Hercules vs talos ?

[@Airier]

First I've actually heard of it. 😮

[@CGomm-le7gv]

@@Airier it not exactly same as what we just hearded but still good

[@DDlambchop43]

it's not adamantium, it's adamantine; basically diamond hard.

[@NicoBabyman1]

17:00 THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!

[@Dreamspawn1978]

The entire point of greek/roman god is they are nor good or evil they just are.

[@countdeville4146]

Honestly, if you can allways go with the spontanious combustion poison. It just makes a statement you know?

[@jannegrey]

This is a Hellenistic story, just using Mycenaean Greece as a backdrop. Same with Iliad etc. Greeks new even less about Mycenaean Greece than we do. Watch Invicta's video on Bronze age collapse.

[@altarudragonspirit4016]

Just jumping in here to once again recommend that you watch EPIC: The Musical; if you enjoy Greek mythology, you're going to enjoy it

[@X-CozzHovx]

Honestly, noticing youve been on greek mythology journey, i think you should listen to Epic the Musical. Songs going from The Trojan horse to dealling with greek gods from the perspective of Odyseious. Hope you see this.

[@jairoandreslopezperez8855]

you are confusing ancient Greece with the Hellenistic period, ancient Greece is from the end of the dark age to the roman conquest the Hellenistic period is from Alex the Great to the fall of the Ptolemaic Egypt also about the lost media we know that Euripides wrote 92 plays an we only have 19 and the ones that survive were used by students in the same way Hamlet and Macbeth are in the modern day and about the kinds in some versions Medea doesn't kill them the Corinthians do in fact it seems like that part was a creation of Euripides the same way that Medusa as a victim was an invention of Ovid

[@whiteraven562]

This isn't a Mycenean story. It's only one generation before the Trojan war. That's still firmly Hellenistic

[@gokbay3057]

Trojan War is technically set in the Mycenean period.

[@CGomm-le7gv]

Still think you would enjoy hannah dalge's satina also ghoulinfuschia murder drones intermission

[@Airier]

Funny you bring that up. 😎 [Innocent Whistling]

[@CGomm-le7gv]

@@Airier which one?

[@CGomm-le7gv]

@@Airier Yo bluedrakma just put out episode 4 5 and 6 of Fate Apocarbriged as one video today just letting you know if you didn't

[@MysticJazerti]

Airier… you should react to LEGO Monkie Kid 🤯

[@aries-zn6xe]

11:16 i mean aprodite while she was badass nd everything, there are still many other goddess that are cool, like athena demete persephone artemis and other "minor goddess" like bia or iris, but mortal woman not to many. And the zeus don't liking men as mucha apollo or dyonasus is because when you are younger is normal to have same sex parter but once you are older you have to go with woman, but can still do it with young man (zeus and posidon are showed as "older" while ares apollo hermes and dyonasus are "younger") and also the "next on the line to be king" i dont think is only a dionasus and typhon thing, other minor gods get the same treatment even i they dont have a real relation, i mean athena and apollo are also called "the next in line" witch is funny if is athena because is the only woman and she would never haver children to replace her

[@gokbay3057]

Hecate is also really cool.

[@MarMonkey2606]

You bloody madman, you're doing a level 30D and D campaign. Why are you getting into the epic levels you psycho?

[@estela_mobba5394]

Please react to Epic the musical!! :3

[@alexeysimushov4971]

I’ve seen it everywhere. It became so popular so many new people are reacting to it. I came here for just a Greek mythology video and then I’m seeing epic the musical request. I can’t blame I would want to, but don’t know if he will react to it if he is I will be really happy

[@estela_mobba5394]

@@alexeysimushov4971 fr, he doesn't do music reactions that often but it would be so cool if he watched the animations ☺️ and I think the views would benefit the channel since epic fans are so supportive lol

[@dsanchack332]

Medea as a story has just SO many plot holes, and it irritates me because I want to like this otherwise interesting Greek classic. Just to name 2, Jason isn't allowed to be king after completing his quest just because he killed Pelias to get the throne, but Pelias himself murdered his brother, Jason's father, to get the throne without anyone stopping him. What's with the double standard? Secondly, sure I can understand why the gods, especially Hera as the goddess of marriage, are angry at Jason for adultery at the end, but that still shouldn't mean that they side with Medea here. The Greek gods are infamous for doing terrible things to people who murder their own family, and Medea just murdered her own kids (still can't figure out why she thought that was a good idea, but whatever). A large part of the Argonautica is Zeus punishing them for murdering Medea's brother, so why the f**k is it ok for her to murder her kids? Sure, she says she's gonna bury them and absolve herself of the crime LATER, but why at the time does she still have the support of the gods, even to the point of letting her fly off on the sun chariot? Also, sidebar: Red called Medea a tragedy here multiple times, but the definition of a tragedy in reference to classical literature is a not strictly historical story in which the main character dies in the end. Whether or not it is a happy or sad ending otherwise doesn't matter, only whether or not the main character dies. Medea doesn't necessarily die here though. She rides off on Helios's chariot and shows up in later myths, so this isn't death. Sidebar to the sidebar: Anyone ever notice how you can ALWAYS tell how a Shakespearian play ends based solely on the title? All of his comedies, stories where the main character(s) live at the end, have regular titles, while on the other hand every tragedy is named after the main character(s) (I specify the plural for cases like Romeo and Juliet, where there are two title named main characters and both die). I know that the histories are also named after the main character, but since a history is basically just a biography but written in such a way as to entertain technically all of those main characters died at the end too.

[@professorbutters]

Because Jason violated a direct personal oath to Hera and also her sphere of influence in the teeth and ALSO screwed over the woman she sent to help him. Medea did some terrible things, but not that. Also, the chariot is a gift from her grandfather, and other gods are not permitted to take back or give the gifts or curses of other gods.

[@gokbay3057]

The whole thing with Theseus, Medea and Aegeus is also crazy inconsistent. Red mentions how there is possibility of Theseus being in the Argo or still stuck in the Underworld. But Aegeus is still around so the whole Minotaur thing can't have happened yet (since he throws himself into the sea after Theseus forgets to change his sails). However there are other myths of him where Aegeus is married to Medea when he first arrives in Athens which must be before the whole Minotaur thing or probably the whole kidnap Helen and Persophone thing. But Medea goes to Athens after she leaves Jason, ie after the whole Argonauts thing happens. So there is no way Theseus could have been involved.

[@singletona082]

Hey Airier? If you have time before hte campaign? Listen to Living Mythology's take on Typhon. It's got Baldermort and his Daughter Lightbringer providing voicework.

[@Rosie-is-dead]

11:49 no what about Ganymede?

[@DDlambchop43]

hey, I just noticed you covered red's dragon talk, but it's members first! So... when do we poor pathetic non members get to see it, bub?

[@Airier]

Sunday. It was gonna come out yesterday, but my DM for a game later this week called in a birthday favor to do the Typhon vid first. 🤷‍♂️

[@zsoltgyuricza6961]

jason is more joy boy tbh

[@aldonover7254]

36 views in 1 minute, Airier "Climbed On" (I hate the fell off joke as much as the next guy)

[@Airier]

Real weak numbers, indeed. 😁

[@hakulives2613]

I clicked on this SO FAST you don't even know

[@professorbutters]

I have never understood Rick Riordan’s valorization of Jason. At least Theseus does a bunch of useful labors before he screws Ariadne over. Jason does ONE heroic thing that he wouldn’t have succeeded at without a woman. Jason is AWFUL.

[@gokbay3057]

Yeah Jason is the worst. Even the Ancient Greeks agreed, hence him being crushed under the rotting Argo unlike Theseus who got to be king again after Heracles freed him from the Underworld for going along with his buddies stupid plan to kidnap Persephone.

[@vihangahiggoda5101]

dude just because jason got help from a woman that doesn't mean he's weak stop being a misogynistic idiot

[@vihangahiggoda5101]

dude just because jason got help from a woman that doesn't mean he's weak stop being a misogynistic idiot

[@vihangahiggoda5101]

dude just because jason got help from a woman that doesn't mean he's weak stop being a misogynistic idiot

[@vihangahiggoda5101]

dude just because jason got help from a woman that doesn't mean he's weak stop being a misogynistic idiot

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

: D

[@JasonKing-b1u]

A worse version of Luffy