Whenever I Build a New Commander Deck

[@timeparadox999]

reflexively putting cultivate in a deck with no basic lands is a certified edhrec classic

[@professorpantherhardraad3921]

plus the sword of the animist

[@kinzakugaming976]

But they’re auto includes. Everyone plays them and EDHREC said it added a lot of synergy.

[@calemr]

See, I auto Kodamas and Cultivate for mono or 2 color, and Lore and 3 Visits for 3+.

[@MCC17011]

I've honestly started cutting them for decks that want to curve into the commander and aren't 5 or more mana. Goreclaw? Ms. Bumbleflower, Okinec Ahau? Using turn 3 to cast them vs cultivate to only then cast them next turn anyway feels way better.

[@MrLogistician]

I still have a 5 color deck that started as a precon and I went all in on the "5 color things matter" "theme". I love my lands. I have 15 basics, 3 each color, and all the triomes. The only upgrade to the lands would be to use 5 or 10 fast fetches instead of the slow fetches I have. Because of the theme and slow fetches, the deck is very slow and probably went down in power level from out of the box precon but I don't give a hoot, it's janky and fun and I love it. It's great at tables where everyone brings a budget deck or a "I made this with cards I already had" deck (most decks at my lgs like this are not super strong)

[@Atmapalazzo]

Congratulations, you built a 7

[@bradcallahan3546]

This would be a 5.

[@Bennerz]

@@bradcallahan3546 might actually be an 8!

[@Breviparopus]

All commander decks are a seven

[@smob0]

I hate to say it, but you need to remove some of the cards that are in there purely for scarecrow flavour purposes so you can add demonic consultation, tainted pact and thassa's oracle.

[@8gr8pes]

I was thinking the same thing

[@danielkrnansky6135]

😂😂 love this, so fun to see such a mix between cedh and some casual deck xd

[@Pendergast891]

does nothing, powerfully

[@robinkube16]

Tecnically black markket conneection is infinite scarecrows

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

Yea nobody can claim this isnt a scarecrow tribal deck !

[@stbd2773]

A perfect encapsulation of the issues with commander right now

[@AgentMurphy286]

@@stbd2773 One of my friends in our pod uses language like “x card goes in every deck of that color” and it drives me batty because that logic leads to arms races.

[@bt6616]

Ah, good old Generic.deck. Bonus points for claiming it has a theme!

[@nah2601]

The theme is staples

[@disconsolator]

The little flick at 0:38 is nice

[@firby7341]

@@disconsolator that was my personal highlight of the video too :D

[@chrisbenson6753]

It’s janky scarecrows guys, nothing to worry about

[@BingbongRecto]

@@chrisbenson6753 this is what they all say when playing T3 Rhystic T4 Smothering tithe

[@Tman_Hall]

This is how it feels to build the EDHREC deck

[@ikaros110]

EDHREC called, they want their Kenrith deck back

[@xpeterx]

"what are you playing?" "five color good stuff"

[@amit2smadar]

Commander was always pretty fun for me, but lately I got better at deck building and found real passion for it. I love brewing my own stuff to the point that ive taken sol ring out of most of my decks to put cards I thought better suit the theme. I do acknowledge that it may be disheartening playing against these 'generically great' commander decks, but you'd also be surprised how little you actually need all the so called staples. And also the feeling of rifling through your collection and finding surprisingly decent c/uc cards that slot perfectly into your deck is awsome!

[@vaazon]

I remove Sol Ring in decks that I find powerful enough on their own. For example my Anikthea deck already has numerous mana cheats so I just find it more fun to play another Saga that fetch me a land than Sol Ring.

[@AidanWR]

I usually don't plan updates on my own decks, but I pull a card that I think would be better in a deck and add it. But deck-building is the funnest part of the game

[@justanotherfpsplayer]

sol ring is such a contentious point at my lgs, so I upset everyone when I accidentally built a budget deck under £10 (priced it because people were doing budget tournaments and the deck cap for it was £50) and now I can get visceral reactions by telling people that sol ring is out of budget for the deck (since £10 budget was an accident I'm going to build a £5 deck to truly upset everyone)

[@amit2smadar]

@@justanotherfpsplayer that sounds amazing tbh. I'm still pretty bad at building around a budget but those who know what they're doing (like you seem to be) can slap some of the most amazing budget decks together.

[@Akantor5]

All playgroups should just ban sol ring for casual games. Turn one its kinda a insta win

[@Garl_Vinland]

I was going to make the joke “That’s a mighty fine Kenrith deck” but you beat me to it

[@jessesandburg]

5 color midrange lol with zero win cons love it.

[@Romashka_Sov]

Who needs a win con if you can win by winning?

[@flameofmage1099]

No you see the commamder is a literal scarecrow, making you think its a scarecrow list.

[@hover2go]

Mind games! 👺

[@user-th9gj4xg8j]

When I built my thematic deck I put all the theme cards in first and I never take them out so I can keep the theme

[@KLSMTG]

Classic solemn with no Basic Lands

[@dartaiasen]

This is the problem with EDH in a nutshell. Before it was supported and had dedicated cards coming out for it, it was a fun little format where you took a bunch of absolute jank that didn’t fit in other formats and made fun decks out of them. Now there are so many commander staples that half the deck is already built before you even start and it all feels very homogenous.

[@BludMun]

@@dartaiasen you still can. Just find other people that build decks like they aren't try harding in a casual format.

[@collardcow4183]

Changes name to Archenemy Dave

[@crayons8693]

We're ramping into removal and swords!

[@davidhouseman4328]

That why I'm a fan of 2 colour decks.

[@Mastordant]

Go mono! The challenges to build a mono color deck are fun!

[@Temuldjin]

Earlier in the week I saw a youtuber suggesting people play way more interaction to spice the game up so his guide to building decks was the following: Pick colour(s) 35 lands 10 ramp 15 card draw 15 removal spells 5 board wipes And only then focus on the commander and the theme of the deck. ( have fun making a theme with picking a commander and adding 19 creatures/enchantments/other artifacts that aren't ramp )

[@ikaros110]

@@Temuldjin I usually adhere to something like this framework, except I try to find cards that fulfill multiple purposes, maybe drawing the card and doing whatever your deck wants to do. I usually run 5-10 staples at absolute max and still follow this general framework and I feel like my decks play much better ever since

[@Temuldjin]

@@ikaros110 It's no wonder your decks play better when they are now almost all the same. It was more the: Before picking the Commander or the theme your deck will be running ( but you know the colour's the deck will have ) pick these 80 cards first...

[@elladan23]

@@Temuldjin the interaction rec is great but the recommendation is misleading. When you build a thematic, there will always be cards that follow it and count as any of the group, if you ask me that's the nice part, yeah maybe it is not upgraded but unless you are playing competitive it's what makes commander fun, destroy others with janky weird cards.

[@Romashka_Sov]

You could put some of these onto commander's shoulders... Oh, wait

[@calemr]

Overlap. Running humans? Find humans that draw, or humans that ramp, or humans that solve. Running spellslinger? Run instants and sorceries that solve and creatures that draw on cast triggers. I made a "Toolbox" Henzie with Umori partner that managed to do something like this, minus the draw because Every non-land had blitz.

[@nocturnal-beats_]

hardest part about making a new deck is trying to fit everything you want in 99 cards

[@Azeria]

needs more MDFCs lol

[@8thPlaceDave]

Haha yeah

[@Snipfragueur]

Honestly it was the sword who triggered me the most. You have swords, but nobody to wield them

[@Shroom-Mage]

Nonsense! The sad robot can carry them all!

[@TenTiggers]

Birds of Paradise unbothered by scarecrows

[@Roll-Penut]

I hate how this is legitimately how people think when building decks

[@matteobagni1235]

This is how I felt playing at the lgs the past 2 years. Yuriko, kenrith, thrasios/vial/tymna. Thank the universe precons exist so at least there's variety and ricyle

[@AlexofZippo]

“It’s about scarecrows”. I too own a changeling deck, friend!

[@jibb8545]

My Tiamat deck minus the same 5 dragons I go looking for every single time. I keep telling myself I'm having fun.

[@whynot-lv8dt]

If you want to do something REALLY funny, include Shields of Velis Vel (you can tutor it with Tiamat) and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund.

[@jibb8545]

@whynot-lv8dt that's a good one!

[@BiskeTheBeast]

Good old goodtuff pile. Never fails.

[@CONEMAN888]

My favorite 5 color deck is omnath locus of all, my deck mostly is built around his second ability except for villainous wealth because it’s funny

[@joelmonteiro1419]

It used to be a highly personal and cuatomizable format before Wizarda started printing Commander sets.

[@tysonwhitman3303]

don't give in! keep playing the cool stuff instead of the good stuff, find friends who want to play mid casual instead of high casual!

[@retributin2849]

95% of the cards in this deck are old cards.

[@PaulGaither]

Lies. MANY of these cards pre-date 2011. I learned about he format in 2007 and commander sets came out in 2011. We went from only one obscure forums to one each + sub forums on all the major sites + youtube videos and lists of hidden gems, staples, and primers. What became needed has just shifted slightly. Notice, he doesn't have crucible of worlds, Life from the Loam, Tooth and Nail, birthing pod, Chord of Calling, Time Warp to combo with his eternal witness and so forth? No. I was there, and you shall not rewrite history.

[@davidhouseman4328]

It still is, unless you make it otherwise.

[@amit2smadar]

@@tysonwhitman3303 exactly! What's the point of building a deck if it's not YOUR deck? A couple days ago someone in my lgs opened a portal to phyrexia and I told him I really loved that card, he just went "why, it's so bad.". A card doesn't need to be good for me to like it!

[@danielzitnik4247]

I could never play against someone like this - your sleeves are different colors

[@8thPlaceDave]

It's the... theme... yes.

[@witchBoi_Connor]

Best part of playing commander lately has been going back through my earlier decks and removing staples for things more useful to theme. Or realizing when I didn't need those staples to begin with.

[@KongtheGentlemen]

Alright bro, you didn't need to personally attack me like this 😅😅😅

[@scottovegtable]

I love your form of comedy so much. Like truly

[@PSISamurai]

10 fetch lands with nothing to fetch is absolutely unhinged

[@davestier6247]

Umm the fetches can get the shocks and the triomes...

[@PSISamurai]

@davestier6247 oh shit you right my b 🙄

[@bobjohnson113]

I used this as a guide for my urtet myr tribal and you just so happened to have a similar list to what I saw on edhrec. 10/10 lost at every table... powerfully

[@CraftyCreeper64]

this physically hurt to watch

[@martinmnagell2894]

This is one of the decks of all time.

[@Major_Nuance]

I had an acquaintance with f you money who got into the game. These were his decks for the longest time. Now he still builds his decks like this, but they are refined to win now. I don't get it

[@lincolnreinert1205]

an acquaintance with f you money started an arms race with an edgar markov deck that killed my playgroup, we literally had mana crypt vs a guy with no sleeves in his deck and the ***hole couldnt be bothered to figure out something was wrong

[@mysticr3448]

This is why it takes me 18 hours and 34 rebuilds to make 1 Commander deck that I never even started building in the first place😂

[@bigsisilife228]

-cultivate -Kodama's +TOracle +demonic consultation. congratz with your first cEDH deck 😀

[@7Alberto7]

Nice slight of hand/flick at 0:38 ,i'm impressed The theme is i haye everyone but i'not gonna do anything/scarecrow 😂😂😂😂

[@DreamDaddie]

Happens to me every month or so. Get bored and get an idea for a deck. Then I get some snacks, something to drink, get comfortable, and get started for a task that’ll take at least two to three hours. Not to mention several tweaks and overhauls for the next few weeks

[@pintlemounted]

Look at Dave casually flexing his Monty python cards

[@tomerator]

Reminds me of yugioh, where a deck either runs 12 board breakers or 22 hand traps that can go in every deck, and the side board is just the same thing plus 3-6 cards designed to lock your opponent from playing the game on turn 0

[@ryanlatimer9447]

Reminds me of that Moist Critical Deck LOL

[@adoo765]

Aaaaand you build a staple pile

[@_underscore_9271]

Man, you know you need at least three more boardwipes before you can call this a deck. Seriously though, this kind of hurts, because this is partially why I stopped showing up to fnm at my lgs, it was always the same handfuls of cards again and again, I swear, the last night I played I had four games in a row that ended with a turn 3 or 4 demonic tutor into wincon, and two of those were the exquisite blood combo

[@8thPlaceDave]

You're able to fit in 4 games in one night? I barely get past 2!

[@_underscore_9271]

@8thPlaceDave yeah, I guess that is one advantage of losing turn 3, I technically get to play more magic

[@ikaros110]

​@@_underscore_9271 "technically" they said, as a single tear dropped to the floor

[@jonmartin299]

Your fired. Staples are only a few.

[@rhonir3209]

That's exactly what happended to me before I started to have basically zero staples. Every deck is a new approach and what I find comes in, what I don't find/think of stays out. By that I mean that I try to never look back into my other decks and put the cards that are also applicable in the new deck in them

[@TheConnor712]

This is sadly so accurate

[@jaycue7641]

"5 Color Good Stuff."

[@pauldyson8098]

" . . .and Fierce Guardianship."

[@ClassicMagicMan]

It takes effort, but people need to break out of staplemaxxing. Build decks across the spectrum of power. Have that cEDH deck to break out every now an again, but also build Funny Word Tribal and make that a joy to play with as well. Make a Nicol Bolas Evil themed deck, as well as a obscure-combo-hiding-in-group-hug deck! Be creative again! This is EDH damn it!

[@calemr]

I think the important thing is recognising what staples do and do not belong because of what your deck does. I built a Roxanne Starfall Savant recently. It doesn't need almost any creature interaction thanks to multiple attack triggers and flickering causing endless meteorswarms. On theme manadorks instead of ramp. Less rocks if you have green in your color identity. Skip the basic fetching if you're above 2 colours. You can usually tick off most of the needs for draw, interaction, ramp, tutors, so on, on theme.

[@ClassicMagicMan]

@@calemr I agree. Go deeper into our huge card pool and find some gem. They're out there; or they will be soon at the rate wotc is churning shit out.

[@RealTal.]

This is so, painfully realistic

[@Brackish-777]

When everything is a "staple", every deck looks like this amd no originality is formed.

[@tideltas]

This is the video I needed in my life

[@GhostCryProductions]

When you build a deck with Reaper King you’re not building a scarecrow deck you’re building a Reaper King deck.

[@lincolnreinert1205]

Laughs in "One with the Machine"

[@StreamAway]

Woah! I'm being called out over here. That looks a lot like my go shintai deck.

[@icedragon9097]

to ge fair, 85% of a go shintai deck is already built before you even start, so it's almost impossible to make it unique

[@franslair2199]

​@@icedragon9097I saw the interaction between go shintai and composer of spring and decided to build a deck with as many enchantment creatures as possible. most of them are theros gods. the goal is to crack the world tree and cheat 20 gods onto the field, which usually just instantly wins the game via Purphoros triggers

[@NicksLotus]

Just made this deck based around impact tremor effects , along with shrines, and the new blue guy that makes copies of himself for drawing a second card.

[@wat_omy]

Congratulations, you’re almost playing 5c cedh

[@captdude81]

You forgot thoracle, and demon consult ... Like Richard Garfield intended.

[@Sypholux]

I play with a group that always uses these scarecrow decks. Time to ban scarecrows.

[@PetrolPaladin]

I feel called out. I just upgraded my Ur-Dragon deck by swiping a bunch of staples from my other decks...

[@TheRaveNRolla]

When i went from 60 cards to edh like 13 years ago what initially drew me was the fact that you could only play each card once, so every game had the potential to be extremely different from the last. A thraximundar good stuff deck was the first deck I built and it was really random. Alas shows like game knights (which I love btw) have kind of destroyed that sense of randomness and excitement towards deckbuilding. Back then we also argued in our playgroup that tutors should not be allowed in edh as it goes against what I understood edh as.

[@thejollyrajamtg9847]

This is unironically why I am DEEPLY excited for the new 4-tier system.

[@eric360elite]

It only makes people to play the next best thing. The problem is always the twisted concepts most people think about what EDH really is.

[@WangerZ3291]

that's the problem with 5 colored decks - kinda hard to keep a theme and have a balance of cards...

[@BingbongRecto]

Um just stop adding staples?

[@neilsantiago5816]

No. As someone who has 22 different 5 color commander decks which play vastly different from one another (and maybe about five gate decks with different strategies and themes), I wholeheartedly disagree. Y'all are just going after the best of each color pie and not being creative nor accepting of the joy when you limit yourself to a theme, a tribe, a strategy

[@WangerZ3291]

@neilsantiago5816 while I do appreciate your perspective on my comment (don't get me wrong). You're just one person, that doesn't mean a lot in the overall grand scheme of things.

[@WangerZ3291]

@BingbongRecto HA! Idk if that my "HA!" is supposed to be a joke or sarcasm (it's the internet, it's hard to tell)

[@BladeMaster117]

And this is why I force myself to not use to many powrful staples

[@ChargeAh]

Ah, the good old 5 color "good stuff" deck

[@SteeIdancer]

My policy on staples in my deckbuilding is they need to either be on theme for the deck or specifically assist the deck in doing its gameplan. For example for my Flubs deck I bought Exploration and Sylvan library because they do what the deck is doing and solve one of the issues the deck has. Edit: anyone wondering what the issue is, its that Flubs is dead with an even number of cards in hand. Sylvan library is one of many ways in the deck to make sure that doesn't become an issue.

[@dr.ickydoesstuff7743]

@St33ldancer when I was looking at building Flubbs, I went for Obstinate Familiar. It's a 1 drop that solves the problem. It's also a really stupid card, and I love that it works.

[@treetheoak8313]

Forgot adding 30 pet cards that never make the last cut.

[@jaggededge11]

I figured the deck would end up with a Painter's Servant combo or Scarecrone (For Cycling).

[@BTEdidnothingwrong]

Sol Ring also doesn't belong in plenty of 5c decks, you usually would rather ramp with green or just color fix in general

[@StarWagi]

Reminds me a lot of yugioh deckbuilding. Staples are king.

[@dragonfeets2032]

Gonna be honest, I have the inverse problem. When I build a deck, I put in so many gimmick synergies that I end up forgetting the staples and interaction. For my Arby's Fast Food theme deck, I'm more lucky than anything that Feed The Swarm fits the theme with its naming.

[@Varler_]

I love that the deck has no way to win, either, aside from maybe activating Kenrith and beating down. Lol. Truly the Reaper King deck of all time!

[@TheKilaby]

when i make a thematic deck with 5 colors i go up to cromatic lantern and thats it, afterwards is only thematic ramp if acessable and normal thematic cards. when the mana vault showed up it was already not my style of deck.

[@Amuetur]

Kenrith box is crazy

[@japplek]

The most powerful deck that will never win a game.

[@EnordAreven]

I know this is a meme and meant to be a joke, but I tried the ten shocks, ten fetches, ten triomes and it kinda SUCKS 😅 Lean the deck to three major colours, drop the odd shock out, cut down one some triomes cus 10 lands coming in tapped (not to mention any other lands you might have coming in tapped) was such a delay and I looked like such a weird kind of threat, like I was up to something just assembling the colours, use Mana dorks and other things, seriously there's so many better ways and those slots in the deck are probably already being reserved for fixing anyway in a five colour 😅

[@zackestin1368]

This is why you should instead just replace the triomes with original duals

[@Hakaze]

The bane of any 5c deck

[@Dovahninja]

It will do nothing... Efficiently!

[@samwayne8961]

half the blue decks i see always have rhystic study or a proxy of one. same with tithe

[@kinzakugaming976]

I low key want to build this deck now. Might proxy it up and play it as a joke deck.

[@MyNameIsSchiro]

This is why I have gone with a zero color deck.

[@Fotoingo]

Can I get the decklist? 😂

[@D-Boy22]

Satire at its best

[@Azzamacaza]

The next time someone asks me why [cardname] is not in my deck, I'll just show them this video.

[@Blu_Moon_Owl]

So just your usual do everything/nothing WUBRG deck

[@brandandixon3943]

As I was looking at this deck. I was thinking this a good stuff kenrith deck. Looks like I was right.

[@flosiporosi7827]

Aura shards with 0 creatures when you added it 😅

[@SwedeRacerDC]

It's funny that I'm having a hard time with my actually thematic scarecrow deck because everybody's playing as fast as they can and proxying more and more

[@brendan-kfp7.62mmminigun4]

Inkshield, spicy!

[@matheuscomparini1663]

Flavor is on 🔥

[@hansschmidt3144]

goodstuff tribal :)

[@OneMoreGame0524]

I see so many easy cuts here (no offense), I generally stick to my Rule of Two in 4 or 5 color decks. 2 of each utility type (removal, counterspells, protection, tutors), then i throw in 2 board wipes, a max of 3-4 ramp spells (unless the deck theme revolves around lands), 4 dorks max, 6 rocks at the very most, and usually no more than 35 and no less than 30 lands (unless of course, lands deck). this puts you at about 41 deck slots left to fill, which gives me plenty of room for whatever theme/strategy i'm building on, and usually i can keep at least one of these different categories in theme, which helps.

[@KingMukla]

This is literally what commander deckbuilding looks like to non-commander players.