Where are the alien? - Astrophysicist argues against Fermi Paradox | Adam Frank and Lex Fridman

[@LexClips]

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[@acureforinsomnia4472]

Actually, there is a research article published in the same journal - "Planetary biotechnospheres, biotechnosignatures and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence" - it proposes that detectable evidence of ancient non-human technological civilizations can still exist on Earth and elsewhere in the Solar System.

[@verzalj]

Like firefly’s rising up from the grass at dusk, there are many, but not all blink at the same time. Such are civilization’s through the cosmos. Shining during vastly different eras spanning incomprehensible distances.

[@shadw4701]

I think there's a high likelihood alien civilizations are looking at us through their telescopes

[@St3v3Bob]

The problem with the hot tub analogy is that literally every teaspoon of water from the ocean has life or signs of life in it. Probably every drop of water does. I don’t know if there are aliens but that’s a bad analogy.

[@michaellast1224]

Space isn’t the ocean bruh

[@virgobud]

He didn't say life he said fish. So his analogy of unexplored space using the ocean analogy works. Words are important when you want to discredit astrophysicists.

[@JoeMama69xx]

Microbes don't send out radio signals

[@St3v3Bob]

@ I see what you’re saying but we haven’t been looking for fish (intelligent extraterrestrials) in the universe. We’ve been looking for literally anything, much more akin to looking for life/signs of life in a cup of water taken out of the sea.

[@St3v3Bob]

@@michaellast1224 I didn’t say space was like the ocean. That dude did - that finding aliens in space is LIKE finding fish in a hot tub size displacement of water. I just think it’s not a very useful analogy since that much water would definitely have life and maybe even a fish.

[@drshrimpz]

The aliens are gamers, that's why we never see them because they rarely leave the house.

[@HyperGolem]

This is actually a valid idea; What if some civilizations eventually get advanced enough that they just upload themselves into virtual reality, and live their lives there, letting AI run everything for them, and never leaving their home world.

[@drshrimpz]

@@HyperGolem Bingo.

[@CantTellYou]

@@HyperGolem Stop it, you’re getting too close to uncovering us

[@BoxingEnthusiasts]

They’re already here living amongst us 😂😂😂😂

[@Tuxedo_Ma5k]

Aliens: “Lets leave pyramids for them bc they last hundreds of thousands of years” Humans: “theres no way to tell if aliens have been here”

[@andybils6141]

That pesky Alien, all by its lonesome, might just want a friend

[@pandoraeeris7860]

I'll be your fren, alien man.

[@andybils6141]

@@pandoraeeris7860 ye

[@CantTellYou]

@@pandoraeeris7860 I wanna shake that hand, or fin, or tentacle, or whatever. I wanna shake it.

[@dgio747]

Thank you for bringing so many interesting guests. I really enjoy open minded scientists!

[@tedstriker2000]

How often do the Cows see the farmer in the field..?

[@User-jr7vf]

In our farm, it is everyday.

[@User-jr7vf]

And the big farms now use drones to inspect the fields, see what the cows are doing.

[@probegt75]

When he's in the field...duh

[@in_10z]

Fermi paradox is so short minded. It's crazy so many scientists cling to it.

[@solemnwaltz]

It's interesting to think about, but it's strange to think it illuminates some specific truth

[@yeon723]

I always think someone had to be first, and it could be us.

[@tatertot2281]

​@solemnwaltz so every civilization is so advanced that they can all travel the universe? Dumb ass I bet most civilizations can't leave there planet .

[@CornerTalker]

1 The Rare Earth Hypothesis: Goldilocks planets in stable star systems are uncommon. 2 Xenophobes: Most aliens understand the high risk of revealing themselves. 3 Stay-at-Homes: Expansionary tendency is not as common as we think. 4 Galaxy at War: Interspecies conflict is more common than we think. 5 Robot filter: Species create their own artificial competitors that wipe them out. 7 Robot companion filter: Species find infertile robots better companions and fail to reproduce. 8 Catastrophism: Gamma rays or other disasters take them out. 7 Zoo Hypothesis: They know we're here and they're studying us. 8 Prime Directive: Aliens realize interference in developing races can be disastrous. 9 Aloofness: Interstellar travelers are disinterested in lower life forms. 10 Failure to recognize: Our two species are too different to recognize each other. 11 Primal Nature of Humanity: We are among the first of our galaxy's civilizations. 12 Rarity of Generation of Life: Life doesn't start up as easily as we think.

[@craigrussell3062]

There's also the possiblity that no technology can overcome the basic truths Einstein suggests about the speed of light being both the maximum speed limit and practically unattainable for any object with mass. The fastest spaceship humans have ever made can reach speeds of roughly 400,000 mph. At that speed it would take 59 million years to reach the closest star. Even light takes 4 years to reach the closest star, meaning even if we and they had compatible radios and wanted to communicate at light speed, if I say "hello," today it'll be 8 years before I hear back, "hello, who is this?" At these speeds getting enough data to even begin deciphering their language would take more than a lifetime. And that's just the closest star to us. Our galaxy is more than 100,000 light years across, meaning it would take 100,000 years for a radio message to reach the furthest star. But our galaxy is just one of billions in the sky; for the rest of the galaxies, even if we could reach the theoretically unreachable speed of light, it would take millions of years to travel to the closest. It seems to me incredibly arrogant to think the ability to "fill" space with civilization is so inevitable to intelligent life, we should be surpised their developments haven't blocked the sky, even though the technology to do anything resembling this doesn't even exist as a hypothetical to us. I think it's pretty likely that a good percentage of star systems develop intelligent life at some point, but we're all just too remote from each other in space and time to ever link up before we each go extinct.

[@mac195000]

@@craigrussell3062 The scenario Frank was talking about doesn't require faster-than-light travel (which is impossible as far as we know). Even traveling at a small fraction of the speed of light, say 10 percent, it would be possible for a civilization to colonize most of the galaxy within a million years.

[@DoylesDigs]

Yes great question, where is THE individual Alien?

[@nkechi6184]

Best comment 😂

[@charlesblithfield6182]

So technically the Octopusses could have become swamp then mangrove then tree dwellers then pack predators then tool users then fire users then hunter gathers then agrarians then urban dwellers then industrialists then information processors then maybe even 8 limbed spaceship makers over a 100 million years ago and we’d have no clue today. That’s nuts and I also love the idea that it could instead be insect or dinosaur civilzation.

[@purrbox7514]

It's pretty much a given that advanced civilizations would have a culture that prohibits interference with lesser civilizations. If that wasn't the case, we would have been visited by millions of different alien civilizations.

[@Ancientalienshistory]

Civilizations may have existed on Earth millions of years ago, but the fossil record is too sparse to provide evidence of their presence. This raises questions about our understanding of intelligent life throughout history.

[@waxcomb]

Where are it?

[@spywxlf]

Type shi

[@colinjames2469]

The really annoying thing is that everyone, bar None, has this weird idea that alien civilizations follow a technological development. We humans are the “odd ones out”, and naturally look “out” for answers. Alien life knows the answer is within. So… No Interstellar travel, no radio waves, no machines… Etc.

[@francesco921]

A theory is also that yes there are many alien civilizations, but there are also governments and laws between intelligent life forms, which make illegal to visits or manipulate planets with life

[@scarygary5678]

There is a record though. It’s in the hall of records.

[@markwoodward4868]

Star Trek did the dinosaur civilization before Dr Who.

[@VulpeculaOdin]

Who knows where they could be hiding?

[@JJs_playground]

2:59 wait is that from the entire universe?

[@ChannelSRL1]

Our galaxy is about 100,000 light years across. Let's say that an advance civilization somehow detected us about halfway across the Milky Way. That means the signal they received would be about 50,000 years old. So even if they committed to contacting us, that would take, even at the speed of light, 50,000 years to arrive here on the off chance that we are still around. And even at warp 10 that would still be 5,000 years. Hope they pack appropriately....

[@iliutacristian8322]

Exactly, these kinds of questions are dumb!

[@meepbeep1]

They could get here pretty quickly (weeks or months) from the perspective of occupants using time dilation.

[@jspur22]

UNLESS...

[@paulmac9634]

One of the best channels on KZbin. Thanks Lex.

[@AA-gu1vv]

Mabe because we are alien zoo.

[@justinzak5025]

Where *is the alien

[@Nathan-is7li]

What if they are here, and have been here...and theyre just too smart for us to ever catch on?

[@lchris5709]

That Fermi mant something else in light of 2 trillion galaxies is called the Frank paradox .

[@wildfoodietours]

How mind boggling to consider that if there were civilizations from thousands of years ago, it'd be hard to know because of lack of evidence.

[@Anthony59754]

Not 1000’s brother. It would need to be millions of years

[@wildfoodietours]

@@Anthony59754 Thanks for the clarification. Still so mind boggling and completely fascinating.

[@MrShaneoconnell]

Anybody else feel like they could do a better job of asking questions?

[@GustavoRey-oo6zi]

Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proof.

[@haadidave]

If the universe has a beginning, imagine being the first civilization in the universe 😳 🤯 You wouldn't find anyone else, because you'd be the first ones.

[@climb37775]

They are everywhere, we are too arrogant to admit it.

[@MrShaneoconnell]

Why?

[@pandoraeeris7860]

John M. Smart: The Transcension Hypothesis.

[@jkirch264]

Life is probably contained largely to places where it adapted. The chemistry and conditions have to be too perfect, it's exceedingly rare that any life can find a survivable planet for themselves so expansion isn't common. Almost every planet with life is unique. If there was only 500 planets in the galaxy where humans could migrate to and live, could we even find one, and then get there?

[@duckncover-2024]

There still isn't any proof that life came from non-living matter. Not one scientist can bring proof that life evolved from non-living things. Until there is at least proof on that fundamental, there just won't be much science on this other topic since it's very related.

[@icecold9511]

Not likely. When people think about alternative life, they envision argon breathers. But chemistry doesn't change. The likelihood of non-ocy carbon life is pretty low. Life might be very strange, but the chemistry won't be.

[@thealienbureauofinvestigat2358]

What if all civilizations are at the same level because the universe works in golden ratios to succeed. The same reason we haven't made it to another Star system or universe or what have you is this reason, maybe perhaps?

[@haroldnicholos7436]

Actually a hot tub full of ocean water would be chucked full of life 😮

[@robertstanton1668]

What if we just happen to be the first life form to develop technology? Maybe it never happened until we did it and there's no one else who has the ability to make themselves known.

[@randall2413]

We have a hard time seeing proof of the moon landing from Earth 😅, uhh aren't stars further 😅

[@johnboston3812]

So 2 things, life is an accident or….this notion of a universe teaming with life existed but it existed along time ago back when the galaxies were much closer and new and fast. I feel we happened to re exist at a much later time and are now so expanded it’s impossible for us to have that scenario again

[@4G63-T_UwU]

"where are be the alien?" - video title

[@Bob-The-Guy]

If intelligent life occurred here, it can happen elsewhere as well in this vast universe. Lets assume there is on one intelligent life form per galaxy and we are it. There are countless galaxies out there.

[@freespeech-advocate]

they are here,,,, its us

[@robertoppenheimer842]

Re: the ancient times alien visits -- yeah there's no evidence from six zillion yrs ago, but what about Graham Hancock's 1500 ton blocks & such?

[@michaelsingJiuJitsu]

What if we are the aliens?

[@MrShaneoconnell]

Fermi asked “WHERE is everyone “ this guy doesn’t answer the question

[@treasonabledoubt7251]

He answers it in multiple ways, what are you talking about? Just one answer to "where is everyone?" is that they are outside of that bubble that he mentions due to civilizations rising and falling, another is that they were in our neighborhood at one point, visited, and moved on. Maybe they were here, right here on Earth, and the fossil record doesn't show it. I'm not trying to be rude, but how can you leave this comment unless you didn't pay attention to the video at all? Total lack of comprehension of this information?

[@thefalcon1828]

Ah mainly cos I was drunk, I’m not usually a commenter on things, let’s just agree that we’re both right and that anything is possible. Love you, okay bye

[@treasonabledoubt7251]

@@thefalcon1828 Did you comment from a different account, my guy? Hey, sending love your way too. As AGI is knocking at the door, and NHI might be too, let's just be kind to one another. I truly wish you well! Also, I have a permanent medical condition due to alcoholism that I kicked years ago, so if you're struggling with alcohol right now (maybe you're not, I don't know), I recommend doing whatever you can to quit. We might reach a point where we're all immortal in a few years, would be a shame to tap out early.

[@thefalcon1828]

@ thank you, you’re very clearly one of the nice people on the internet. Alcoholism isn’t an issue, but I respect your journey and am sorry to read that it impacted you as it has. You’ve got strength. Sadly, and thankfully, I’m Irish, we refuse to let booze get in the way. Here’s the thing, I am at the stage in my life where I hope everting is real; aliens, ghosts, remote-viewing, love, tacos. And realise that just cos I’ve never seen or experienced those things, doesn’t mean they ain’t real. I mean like, who the hell woulda thought that one day people would be arguing about dicks and pussies, yet here we are. Thanks for replying and engaging. May the road rise to meet you.

[@treasonabledoubt7251]

@@thefalcon1828 I'm very grateful for the connection myself! For all you know, I could be an alien. I'm at a similar stage and I have been for awhile, probably about a decade, where I hope so many of those things are real. That's why I know I must temper it with skepticism, because I so badly want to believe; I must check my biases. I imagine you may be similar! I only just recently, about 6 months ago, put up the classic "I want to believe" poster in my home office, as cheesy as that is, as it's a constant reminder to me that I do indeed want to believe, but I must approach everything with a healthy dose of skepticism. Between you and me, though, I am an alien, and we all are, as the "human species" diverged from homo erectus with the intervention of several different strands of alien DNA, resulting in several different "core" races on Earth, with many variations. Anyways, I wish you well!

[@sorinpopa862]

Your jew brain doesn’t allow you to think outside the box. Aliens are everywhere, they are hiding from us, and the reason for that is like a horror movie

[@Alienbreed2010]

There are ets everywhere, you guys are just looking in the wrong places

[@warrenescott7600]

We call them aliens but what if they don’t identify as aliens and are offended by us calling them aliens so that’s why they don’t want to talk to us 🤔

[@robertoppenheimer842]

& just to throw another "spanner in the works," As Graham Hancock implies: there may be other kinds of intelligences and technologies w/o cell phones and computers, that never get around to the space travel idea. (Take dolphins & octopi for example.) Stay tuned.

[@ro_vilano]

You’d find life in a hot tub’s sample worth of water from the ocean though… or nah? 😬 Atleast on the microbe level

[@jacksprat9972]

Fermi died of radiation induced cancer at age 54. How smart was he? Frig the Fermi paradox.

[@niirceollae2]

Oh my god.. We know nothing

[@duckncover-2024]

The universe is very young. Humans could be the only ones in the universe at this time. Considering the universe will be around another 100 trillion more years, there might be alien life pop up in the next 20 billion years. Humans will never know about it.

[@xxxs8309]

We need AI to help us

[@jakethepitador2558]

We wouldn't find any evidence of alien life if it were here one hundred million years ago. Yet we have evidence for earth-based life that existed 500 hundred million years ago, even longer. Not quite sure what he's talking about.

[@mrdebris1217]

There were no visitors, since there are no alien garbage cans on the moon where they would last much longer than one hundred million years.

[@ATHLETE.X]

Fermi paradox is contrived.

[@impossiblevisits]

Fix your title. Should be "Where are the aliens?"

[@AmanSingh-bu6po]

V are the Aliens 👽🖖

[@davidansley1731]

Ooooo horse pies , I know their are Aliens here , heck I'm half Alien , I know I am. You know you are . If we could go to another Earth , we would HALF TO INTER MIX WITH THE BIOSPHERE TO SURVIVE. So , Aliens are here , bet ya .

[@toongoos87]

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[@rijancaffe]

Ye ye werd to your mutha and werr dem alien at!? Ahm skerd uh duh alien!

[@Psychic.Octopus]

Lex has never interviewed a black women

[@robertl.6919]

The real question to ask is this : Describe the proof « the scientific community » would need to declare alien life exists ? The second one is: Describe the the proof needed to declare aliens have visited Earth ? You will find that it is very hard for any scientist to explain and describe the « proof » because in science, you need tangible evidence that your peers can study and corroborate on their own and repeat the experience with constant results. And even if the scientific community had access to an Alien body and could study it thoroughly, their final conclusion would be « it’s the first and unique life form of this kind found on Earth » It might be a new species we hadn’t find before. » In no way they could demonstrate it came from another planet. That’s how science works….

[@User-jr7vf]

For the first question, we just need to identify life on another planet. As for the second question, it is well understood what every life form on Earth must have. If we find some organism that is different from that, then it is alien. You can't simply wave your hand and claim it is just an Earthly body that is quite unique, because that body cannot simply pop into existence out of the blue.

[@robertl.6919]

@@User-jr7vf You are still eluding my questions. First, scientists across the planet have to agree on what data received from our instruments would establish that life exists on another planet, without a doubt. We could push the question to " intelligent alien life" as that is the subject of this topic. That needs to be universally defined. Then, about your argument of alien life on Earth, there are some problems I can point out. First, what if aliens are made out of cells and DNA very similar to ours ? There are still thousands of species, specially in the oceans that we have'nt yet studied. Lifeforms that thrives on volcanic underwater eruptions are one example of recently discovered lifeforms. And what if there were hundreds or thousands of alien bodies scattered all over the world ? Would scientists have to conclude they are part of our natural earth's evolution like other rare species or dinosaurs were ? Even if alien biology was different from our would it mean they could not have been originally from Earth from a distant past ? My questions to the scientific community are much more complex than what you stated.

[@michaellast1224]

We’re the aliens, man

[@danielberthiaume1917]

Thery are here 😂