Where Are the Cables??? - Gigabyte Project Stealth

[@SrSpetock]

honestly, Linus just going completely nuts at the front panel of the case with a drill was the best part of the video

[@theatlastech8792]

This needs to happen anytime there is a case that is designed without front mesh.

[@sennevanopdorp2022]

He didn't even turn off the pc

[@redfish3858]

@@sennevanopdorp2022 he was just that mad about it

[@Ferrari255GTO]

@@theatlastech8792 agreed, drills are now part of the required hardware to build pcs

[@Splarkszter]

agreed

[@Gondezar]

-How's Linus handling the stress of moving to a new house? -He's fine, (Linus opens the front of the PC with a hole saw) he's just fine.

[@nicoherrerai]

Almost taking Jake's finger in the process. hehe

[@andrewmoon3409]

And i thought Steve at Gamers Nexus was Brutal

[@TheRatchetnclank]

@@andrewmoon3409 steve would be proud.

[@AndreFG]

While the pc is running with the watercooler mounted right behind the holes

[@jayhollowayii2]

@@nicoherrerai Linus is the reason they need workmens compensation claims lol 😝

[@n31lzombiehunter8]

"Imagine designing a whole product around getting all the cables out of the way of the airflow and then not having any f**king airflow." - Linus

[@randallporter1404]

Or enough space for all the cables...

[@mathewbriggs6667]

tbh i thought he was just going to pic it up and amash it on the ground by the end

[@blaneiobe8579]

@@tunedskillsz I’d agree that’s definitely the main reason, but taking anything out of the path of your airflow will increase cooling although the increase of not having cables is pretty minimal I’d assume, it also gives less overall surface area to cool which would also help again I’d assume minimally. I’d say that’s more a consultation prize as the look is definitely the main appeal

[@kyloluma]

@@tunedskillsz not the main reason, but cables get in the way of airflow, so the less obstacles, the more air flow

[@Travis_Inlanzer]

This should be the standard for every tech reviewer. If you see a flat front panel with no ventilation, cut out giant holes and literally show companies how to do it.

[@animalyze7120]

Well you can thank the Millennial crowd for the no vent front heater boxes they demanded to fit some twit aesthetic they all wanted. At least after almost 10 years we no longer get these choked boxes like NZXT H series among others.

[@patrickrichardson2195]

@@animalyze7120 OK boomer

[@Letsgetdusty]

@@animalyze7120 Ok boomer

[@Letsgetdusty]

@@animalyze7120 Ok boomer

[@jjpaq]

@@animalyze7120 Spoiler: if you ever find yourself saying "they all", stop and consider. You're probably wrong.

[@NikTek]

Gigabyte: We made this cool case wanna try it? Linus: Im about to destroy this whole company’s career

[@captainpoptarts]

Pretty much

[@andrei_fr5294]

😅

[@cyberrb25]

For that exchange, they should've made an actual cool case.

[@rice214]

Hi

[@HearMeLearn]

I mean they make good motherboards... just avoid their power supplies and cases I guess... yeesh lmao. Not a good look for gigabyte these days

[@dgreene38]

This was a journey. It started so positive and just went off the deep end. Top notch content.

[@absurddive]

Linus got the Gigabyte experience

[@ReanuKeevesAus]

At least it didn't explode! LoL!

[@kaleid1990]

Linus unleashed his inner Steve from Gamers Nexus and then some :))) Gigabyte got rekt!

[@faithblack3851]

Yeah I see what you mean...hmmm

[@joecamilleri6192]

The whole crew: “Shouldn’t you turn the PC off first?” Linus: “Give me the drill”

[@ancient_void]

I think they know the drill by now

[@jmanig76]

Badum-tsss

[@devvytm]

When I saw that drill fly...😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@kunjupulla]

Haha he's too rich to bother 😎

[@zombkiller357]

@Hòmè Ďeçoŕè bro i was just about to say the stuff we never dream of doing with our pc's on......give me the drill while its on!!!!

[@kylestewart4444]

The case’s appearance was actually improved after Linus took a hole saw to it. That should be a major wake up call for Gigabyte. The front of this case should have been based on that large hex design that sits directly behind the solid front panel. It would have looked way better and the components would be able to last longer than 6 minutes without overheating.

[@sean5350]

Dam that's so god dam funny

[@lunakoala5053]

They seem to have gone with another case now. GIGABYTE AORUS C500. Has Mesh in the front.

[@shiro3146]

@@lunakoala5053 seems this slaps gigabytes in faces huh?

[@skibooski6884]

A hole saw?

[@kylestewart4444]

@@skibooski6884 a hole saw is a cylindrical saw blade that cuts a round hole when chucked into a drill.

[@alangarde2928]

I enjoyed the sudden possession of Linus by Gamers Nexus Steve and going nuts on the lack of airflow (and creating airflow). It was like a silent collab.

[@MrTrilbe]

you could say the collab would be a... Stealthy... Project

[@j.d.8593]

I know! He really went full Steve there! 🤣🤣

[@Dmitriy.0]

Back to you, Steve!

[@jwalden91lx]

I'm just picturing Steve as Pai Mei stroking his long non-existent beard and then giving a nod of approval.

[@richardhunter9779]

In fact, Linus may have just raised the bar for Steve.

[@Figureight]

Tech companies need a team of Linus' to pre test all their junk first

[@mfaizsyahmi]

What's the plural of Linus? Linuses? Lini?

[@untamablewolf]

Hey Yooo its figureight! I love your videos man I've been watching you for years. I remember wanting a PC so bad so I could blend cars with the menyoo mod like you did back in the day. I finally built a PC last year and the first thing I did was exactly that

[@namAehT]

He pitched that idea in the water-cooled laptop video. Labs/LMG could consult on product development in the future, the only problem is preventing a conflict of interest when the company inevitably sponsors a video.

[@azrilrapaiee]

thats is the ltt lab is all.about

[@brandonalexander5185]

I mean I'd apply for the job

[@XeonProductions]

I love how Linus just aggressively drilled into the case while the computer was running without any regard for anything.

[@Daniel-Gomez-M]

I would drill 3 holes, screw that Gigabyte logo

[@orangeapples]

It doesn't work, so it isn't like he can break it.

[@MrAssChapman]

Throw a couple of fan grills on there and it would look great too.

[@AvoidMyGost]

Classic linus

[@realkrzaku]

3:10 there is literally zero challenges in building such a board. The connectors are already mounted through hole, the only thing needed is to reverse the pin layout and solder the connectors the other way around. US patent law is ridiculous, how can such basic thing as putting connectors on the other side of the PCB (which was already done, think M.2 slots on the back of the MB) be allowed to be patented is beyond me.

[@GenesisRasphotos]

Because you can patent near anything 😂

[@Tony-pb2gi]

@@GenesisRasphotos Yep, and just because its patented, doesnt mean other companies cant also do it, citing prior use/existence.

[@GenesisRasphotos]

@@Tony-pb2gi or just be like china and not give a damn

[@artur6912]

To be fair, having a patent only gives you legal ground to seek you rights in court, it's not a guaranteed auto win. A really big company could probably just bankrupt a smaller patent squatter in a drawn out court case.

[@Madman097]

Patenting things like connector placement is ridiculous and a person/company doing that should burn in hell forever.

[@No1TypeC]

If this channel had a yearly "funny moments" compilation, Linus getting mad about the cooling (heating?) performance & aggressively cutting out the front panel would be a top contender. That was legendary.

[@steveblanshan428]

yessss

[@xXRealXx]

He clearly learned a lot from Steve from GamersNexus! Steve must be so proud

[@IanB1015]

I can only imagine Aorus directors being excited for this review only to find their product had holes drilled in it. Oh to be a fly on the wall in that board room…

[@CataclysmZA]

WHY WOULD YOU SEND A KIT OF DDR4 WITH A DRR5 BUILD?! smh.

[@adamkamieniarz9223]

all negative content was condensed towards last few minites that hardly nobody still watches and for drilling the video will make a wave

[@sinuslebastian6366]

@@adamkamieniarz9223 yeah nobody watches the last part of a video, that's why we've got 4k people commenting about the last part of the video.

[@epicshade3463]

I honestly died laughing thinking about that when he just drilled right into it and said Great idea poor execution.

[@Jadebones]

To be fair, their design already had holes in it.

[@eruannster]

What a rollercoaster of emotions this build was. The back-mounted connectors seem like a brilliant idea - but then the holes aren't properly drilled out, argh! It looks spacious and clean - but then there's no freaking airflow?! Come on! Dang it!

[@Aries0098]

I own this case. There is airflow from the front panel, but minimal. I would not suggest radiators on the front panel as demonstrated by Linus. I had to install fans on the top of the case to have a decent enough airflow overall, which is more investment than a mesh one. I would suggest using an air cooler for this case for better temps and populating it with intake fans. If you will use an AIO, stick with a 240 or 280mm on the top.

[@brianwest2775]

Great for a video, but not a product. Bizarre.

[@Aries0098]

@@brianwest2775 Solid front panel cases are like that.

[@devvytm]

Life is sometimes filled with dissapointments.

[@markissboi3583]

everything is watercooled on my pc fans on Radiator's My Gpu runs @ idle 26cel

[@gavwrecker]

One of the best videos I’ve seen in a while, the wild, quick ending of Linus screwing a couple massive holes in the side of the case was perfection.

[@tiaxanderson9725]

Every reviewer should tackle issues they encounter like this. Especially if it's something they are supposed to send back. Company: "Hey, we noticed you drilled giant holes in the case we lent you" Reviewer: "Yeah, because you guys created a HOTBOX to COOL the computer!"

[@TheRealSkeletor]

*lent, not borrowed. "Borrowed you" is not a thing in English.

[@Shad0wReaper133]

@@TheRealSkeletor *Lent, as in to lend something to someone. "Leant" is just an extension of "lean" which people use the more appropriate "leaned" like if you were to lean against a wall, "He leaned against the wall."

[@TheRealSkeletor]

@@Shad0wReaper133 You are correct. I blame autocomplete.

[@crazychainsaw007]

@@TheRealSkeletor not unless he makes it go viral :D Tiax could have just created the next "yerrrrttt" or "nah what im sayin?"

[@lareolanKFP]

@@TheRealSkeletor There is more than just American English out there, I'm fairly sure "borrowed you" is just a local expression in some part of the English-speaking world.

[@mrburnz884]

Jake: "He's not telling you stories about paint, is he?" That was a good one. 😂

[@Wufnu]

The more I see them work together the more convinced I am that, some day, Linus is going to take Jake for a ride in the glass Linu-vator.

[@Nerdificationing]

When did he say that?

[@_laserpants_2203]

@@Nerdificationing 6:16

[@Chadok89]

Telling the truth about all these issues despite being your sponsor is definitely the reason why I keep watching you over other channels.

[@RickDeckardt]

Gigabyte: "Have Linus test is is cheaper than doing proper testing ourselves"

[@LordToxygene]

Built in drop test 99.99% guaranteed.

[@christophermartin1973]

Only if they take the advice, and honestly if they really did and kept iterating quickly it would end up being an awesome product with basically built in marketing value. Send LTT a demo case that they never make in production numbers, let them rip it, and then fix all the issues and send a new one within 2 weeks. With LTT serving as product Q/A in the process, and a vendor sharing their unique ability to create physical products and bouncing them off LTTs ability to fairly critique design and implementation - they could start a certification program - and meaningfully start to shape the standards to develop the next generation of internal PC structure sanity-checking and thermal compromises. It'll be Snakes on a Plane but with pc cases, we'll end up with something that looks like it came out of Star Trek eventually - I don't think that can be anything but good.

[@LOKO22Bach]

@@christophermartin1973 only flaw with that strategy is that they need to make it enticing for ltt to keep doing those videos, they're not dumb... well, maybe they are, but they're not solid-front-panel dumb

[@giorgiusgiorgio]

this video has everything I LOVE about LMG videos: they cut the crap and are dead honest. Even if they are enthusiastic about a product or market shift or new trend, they expect the minimum regarding usability and thoughtfullness from the manufacturer. Seriously, the stupidity of the front panel is beyond nuts and the fact that you can't fit some connectors (like the RGB) shows a huge lack of commitment for building great products and more like a "yo, let's try this stuff, put it together and send it to media asap to gain traction, sure gamers gonna love"...

[@MuitoDaora]

I can't believe a concept like where a cable connector is placed in a motherboard can be patent. Specially when MainGear said THEY(Gigabyte) figured it out.

[@jordananderson2728]

It's a demonstrable change to the manufacturing process and use case that could be used to foster competition. Remember that Apple parents the _corner radius_ of the iPhone case.

[@ChuckBaggett]

Abolish patents and copyright.

[@AlvarezAdrian1]

@@kittenwizard4703 nah, it breeds stagnation as well. Look up patent trolls

[@donaldendsley6199]

While I agree with you, it's really not that hard of a patent to get around. I mean a 180º connector really isn't that hard, and would give you the majority of the look.

[@SlenderHime]

Capitalism at its finest

[@SZYMANSKERS]

I thought about how cool of an idea this would be a couple days ago and I was like that’s a brilliant idea and now I’m seeing that this exists already and it’s been around for months regardless very cool idea

[@djcarrotking]

Not just months, over a decade already

[@IntelEdits]

I was actually just thinking today why anyone hasn’t done this yet. And then this video came out. I hope all future mainstream PCs are like this honestly, this just makes way more sense

[@davidjohnston4240]

This is how custom systems are designed. A place for the cables, a place for the chips, a place for the external connectors and a place for the airflow. PCs are kind of messed up in that respect.

[@kurok1tenshi]

I hope i´m wrong but it will never take flight cause idiotic companies love proprietary too much, this would for everyone to play ball and use the same connectivity in the same spot. I remember years ago the dock-on plug-and-play concept also that never too off, a shame really.

[@philipz794]

That‘s literally how the macpro back in 2019 is built. Not a single cable in this machine.

[@e21big]

@@choppings54 with only a single proprietary GPU compatibility... Nah, just give me an option for frosted glass side panel compromising compatibility for aesthetic is dumb. Especially for internal hardware.

[@whydoihavetodothisannoying]

Yeah, no... not until that patent expires

[@StealthyJim]

Linus summed this up nicely - "Great concept, poor execution." I love the idea here, and I'd certainly be interested in doing a build with no visible cables. But it has to actually have airflow. Give me this case with a mesh front panel...and sort out the issues with cutouts being a bit too small.

[@forrestofbarnes]

Just pull a Linus a drill it LOL

[@def-po8tu]

U could always use a drill or 3d print a front panel with the airflow u want lol

[@Bitfire31337]

Well, at least Linus "execution" of the front panel wasn't too bad 😅.

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

Honestly. This is my holy grail. Too bad its a false messiah haha. I actually don't mind seeing cables if they're good looking like CableMods, but the front control/USB cables are still all so ugly.

[@GatoPaint]

so drilling holes in the front panel of your case is meta now? aight

[@EliteSniper37]

i guess so

[@sthrncrss8402]

Those are speed holes. They make the pc go faster

[@davidrajchman7162]

@@sthrncrss8402 the actually do😂

[@OneDabMan]

*grabs drill* looks at laptop ...

[@atari2600b]

Always has been

[@ScrinGeneral17]

That explosion startled me haha. As always amazing editing LMG crew.

[@Jeroenneman]

It's just insane seeing Linus fix the case by just drilling a couple holes in the front panel. Don't they companies even try to test their products anymore?

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Linus is the test group. 😏

[@Sechs0rBecks]

That is why all these review samples are givin' away, i guess, and boom 2nd generation pops out.

[@nightlybob]

As the other comments mentioned here. Yes linus and other pc reviews are technically the testers. For companies they're rather save money and let communities comment on their products

[@SuperDinomagic]

Linus Test Tips

[@ElainesStory]

@@benjaminoechsli1941 Linus Tests Tech :)

[@nnm711]

Steve is going to drop a tear of happiness from his eye when he sees this! So much talking about mesh panels and finally someone else is complaining about airflow too.

[@richardcrossley5581]

He's also going to love drilling holes in the case to make it work

[@mythkaz742]

You've got to with these skyrocketing TDPs!

[@Blex_040]

Had the same thought! This video reminded me extremely of GamersNexus Steve ranting about poorly designed cases with no airflow 😂

[@haydenw8691]

So not only did Gigabyte make something with Kickstarter prototype levels of problems, they somehow managed to find a way to fill a custom built PC with cheap prebuilt PC bloatware like Norton too.

[@Fenriswaffle]

Its something I've seen Asus do as well with their Armory Crate shit, its literally a BIOS rootkit that attempts to auto-install shit in to Windows. Its absolutely disgusting and I have to assume they install Norton as part of some agreement with Norton. Always about the money...

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

It's such a hateful scumbag thing to do. I always return the product and make a strong bad mental note and feeling about the brand to never buy their products again. I don't buy Sony since PCMCIA memory card because of the thieving rotten thing they did where they took standard SD cards and put their own connector, PCMCIA, and charged 3x the price. 3x! That was decades ago, no Sony for me since then. Anything with Norton - not for me, never, ever. They are anti-customer. Anti-customer. WTF. It's like being at the supermarket, you're bagging your shopping, and as you go to pay the store worker throws a bag of sh1te into your bags over all your shopping. F. O. With this rotten rotten nasty way to treat someone giving you money.

[@remain_]

This

[@Jehty_]

And on top of that they infringed on a patent. (yes, they later fixed that but that doesn't make it much better)

[@vaiosmastroyiannis]

That is amazing not only it looks better for the vast majority of people now a days ( exclude me :D ) but also reduces the amount of cable that needs to be used since all the major cables are closer to the power supply

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

The wire manufacturer cartel has just hired a hitman for you, man, be careful there!

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

Love the concept of hiding the cables and love how Linux went all Steve on the lack of airflow. They just need a mesh version of the case and it should be great.

[@m0r73n]

Yeah it was full Gamers Nexus for a while there, well deserved critique, why do the manufacturer still do stupid shit like this.

[@Onihikage]

The part with not being able to fully remove the front panel because of the cables on the front I/O is very reminiscent of the Fractal Design Meshify C. In any case, it's a pretty lousy design choice.

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

@@Onihikage I have the cheaper Fractal Focus G for my secondary PC and you can take off the front panel with no issues there. Strange that the Meshify C has that issue.

[@PINPAL]

The editing on this video is fantastic, I love how it shows the progression of linus getting more pissed before it just jump cuts to him drilling giant fucking holes for airflow lmao

[@Mr_Bedlam215]

Honestly. It's like you can hear the teapot starting to whistle as it boils, then, sudden kaboom. It was glorious.

[@davidwachtveitl7755]

Wow, I've been building pcs for 30 years, this just knocks my socks off. I sure hope this concept gains enough traction to go big enough to fix the issues. I already have a very expensive case the corsair 5000t in white which I absolutely love but I would chuck it in a heartbeat for a good execution of a case such as this!

[@geort45]

Problem is the PC manufacturers are super super conservative about not having "backwards compatibility", hell, damn PCI are still upside down... we still use the 24pin PSUs which were a small upgrade from the 20 pin ones which are basically ancient... sata connectors are still wired with 3.3V even tough basically no device uses that... etc

[@Fossillarson]

I sure do hope so = perfection

[@scythelord]

@@geort45 What are you going on about "PCI are upside down"? You mean graphics cards with their fans pointing down? If so, that's how they should be. The whole point of the fans being on the bottom is less dust settles on the heat sinks than it would being on the top. it's the same reason Power supplies have always been mounted fan pointing down. Keep dust and shit from falling on your heatsinks and into your components.

[@jackass123455]

@@geort45 live is not upside down it's a hold/carryover from pci and itx where the build was the motherboard flat on the bottom of the case. And your airflow was as you read a book left to right.

[@davidwachtveitl7755]

@@scythelord No, what he means is that when PCI came out the cards went in the opposite way from the ISA cards at the time. This was done to distinguish between the two.

[@re1077]

0:10 expected him to say "it is amazing! just like our sponser"

[@damustermann]

One of the best videos ever! Honest to the core, even the maintanace part that all think is funny. It's important for the customer and has to work, doesn't matter if they rip it apart a few hours later, the customer has to use it for a longer time. Thanks Tech Tip Man, never change!

[@EposVox]

This is actually pretty dope, other than the airflow

[@wulfhart2]

and the crappy cable management... or the lack thereof.

[@cant461]

@@wulfhart2 its a good concept..except airflow but gigabyte ia gigabyte

[@Adamt.magician]

Cool concept but any product that installs Norton on a fresh Windows install needs to immediately get in the bin

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

I really just don't get it and I think that zoomers got conned into thinking solid front panels are fine just because the companies are all too cheap to do anything else. But other than that yeah, I originally signed back in just to say how great I think this is what a cryin dayum shame it is we didn't get to have this all the way back in 2012 because of some irredeemably stupid corporate reason. It's like, why the F does Capitalism so often insist on operating just as stupidly as Russian style Communism. We had real innovation here and it was choked off by some bullshit "intellectual property" thing I bet. I've become convinced that a lot of innovation happens in spite of, not because of, market conditions. Market conditions is how we get stuck with crap like Dell and HP or nVidia's retarded performance crippling GimmickryWorksTM or Apple cultism acting like they found hidden treasures for the *shocking* feature of...a single additional NVMe drive mount. On a multithousand dollar worse performing computer. But it has that BrandTM AestheticsTM! Although to be fair thank God market conditions also often help some things along to failure because we're rather have that balance between Socialistic-tier universal compatibility but no innovation vs everything locked down and proprietary under 'murican turbo Capitalism. Like for example Corsair's bullshit proprietary ARGB connectors. Next to nobody uses that so far as I'm aware, because who the F wants to get locked into a "fan ecosystem." Or why Sony's proprietary storage ecosystem failed hard in the early 2000s/late 90s iirc, while USB became a universal standard.

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

@@wulfhart2 I literally want that cable management. See the thing is you don't realize how bad cable management truly is until you've tried routing multiple sets of CoolerMaster Halo MF120s with 3 hard drives and 3 SATA SSDs, two of which are front mounted, on top of a GPU bracket with RGB and two optical drives (because you'll pull my original Broodwars CD from my cold dead hands). So it becomes a complete nightmare to manage properly, not have any shorts and fit the back panel back on the case squeezing all that shit in, which is the main potential problem on this thing, otherwise it'd be great to build in. I can then just run the cables to the back, have a clean open front with great airflow, and just forget about the abominable cable monster that lives in the basement.

[@Kenajcrap]

OMG, Linus doing an emergency tractomy kn the case was absolutely awesome and a perfect and instantaneous demonstration of how much airflow matters

[@williamgonzales1980]

Classic Linus. I loved when he got so pissed he just started chopping holes in the half assed designed case. Keep it up.

[@WASH3D]

That moment at 14:01 when you see a hole saw and Linus takes some moving stress out shortly after. AMAZING.

[@bodyno3158]

linus + power tool = OSHA violation

[@D_Wito]

And he also provides manual for pc case "unboxing" process, like why didn't they just make the holes earlier but instead left it for user to do xD strange feature (it should be marketed as "you can make intake hole in the shape you want/are able to do ") I was like that with medium Lian Li case, I was like hmm... bottom supports 3x 120mm fans, 140mmm are not supported... but... it can fit, strange that I have to make holes for 140mm fan screws by myself

[@Abteilol]

Honestly, the most frustrating thing to me was the autodownload of other software (like norton). wtf. that alone would be reason for me to send it back ASAP. Is bad enough when I compromise my system, but a 3rd party? fudge no.

[@zig131]

Gigabyte does this too but any enthusiast should be going in the BIOS before installing anyway so can easily turn off this feature.

[@mtx33]

@@zig131 feature, yeah. Preinstalled crapware is worse than forced ads imho. They sold you to Norton for a couple of cent's kickback. disgusting

[@stevesteve8098]

clearly u aint seen the adobe site yet..... every fucking download or update forces norton into the computer.

[@jmanig76]

I didn’t quite catch that part, how did it auto download things? Something in the drivers?

[@TurbochargeMe]

Asus does exactly the same thing. As soon as you install os, it auto-install armoury-crate and some a-volute crapware that you cant uninstall.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

Don't send Linus a case without enough cooling holes, or he'll drill more. I can't imagine how emasculated the engineers that designed this product feel when watching this.

[@Derethevil]

That is IF they see this.

[@salty1099]

I think Steve would do something similar too

[@kevinwells9751]

If I had to hazard a guess the engineers who worked on this case knew this was a problem and told their bosses that, but management and the design team probably ignored them. The design comes first because that's what sells cases. Most people just assume that the case will work and don't have Linus's experience to tell them that restricted airflow like that will throttle your PC

[@uemiduram52]

they're not engineers, it was prolly the marketing team that designed this

[@uemiduram52]

@@kevinwells9751 and one doesn't even need to have linus' experience, it is common sense that gets overlooked by the low iq masses

[@DasXardas]

Hurray, finally somebody had this good idea. I said to myself many times, why aren't some connectors at the back of the MB or at least angled. For example, for ATX, audio and USB 3.0 headers, and so on can be at least angled. I hope that all manufacturers of the components implement similar solutions.

[@Neoxon619]

When I saw the “No cables” thing, I instantly thought this was for the new house. I guess all the Extreme New Home Upgrade videos have conditioned me. Not that I’m complaining about this, more Linus & Jake is never a bad thing (regardless of the context).

[@samlcyo2]

What about the OF context

[@japiekrekel]

@@samlcyo2 did he stutter?

[@JamesCook76131]

Lol, not sure how taxes are in CA, but if you make a video with it, you can write it off as a business expense. So definitely makes sense why he would have a tons of videos for the new house.

[@EnderiumRace]

i thought it was a general plug in play thing where there were no cables attached to the hardware only the power supply to the mother board

[@richiedeadsix]

Honestly I'm tired of the home upgrade videos since they arent what I am looking for on this channel, the sneakiness of trying mark up home expenses under business by making videos about it notwithstanding.

[@collinnicholson8116]

My brother had a case that similarly had mount spots for fans on the front yet the only way for the air to flow was through a slot in the bottom. The best part was that the front panel had a design made to LOOK like it was a vent but all the "holes" were solid. It was amazing.

[@mtx33]

The solution is obvious, you only need a drill and a lot of patience. It won't be the nicest thing, but still better than nothing. :D

[@thomasafine]

The way to standardize this is let motherboard makers include a backplate, and then standardize how backplates are mounted into cases. Then the actual connector layout can remain proprietary, but you'd have broad case compatibility.

[@pavlebn]

T h i s

[@lominero5]

Love this idea

[@michaelf.2449]

Fuckin genius that'll solve literally all issues

[@wobblysauce]

Just use the normal motherboard stand-offs... but leave a gap around the sides, bamm everything can fit.

[@gelinrefira]

This makes a lot of fucking sense.

[@justsomeguywithshades2318]

I haven't watched these videos in over a year and he still dropping stuff. Lovely

[@gabrieli6008]

I imagine this being an entire new formfactor. Like adding "-F" to the end of the sku to say "flipped" So you can have "ATX-F" compatible cases, with ATX-F motherboards

[@DoctorWhom]

Flipped sounds like BTX

[@theredscourge]

How about ATX-WTF? (For "With The power Flipped" of course)

[@DaetB]

We need a stealth line of PC parts, with power swtiched and cases with Stealth in mind!!!!

[@Atlessa]

@@DaetB So ATX-S (S for "Switched" or "Stealth" )

[@Stone_Rock]

@@Atlessa in this video more like suffocate

[@HeyLookImGerman]

The case is so stealthy, you can't even see the airflow! Seriously though, that is a big oversight. The front should be a metal grille or something. Anyway, I'd love to see LTT team up with a case manufacturer. Imagine the designs we'd see from such a collab!

[@alexdavis9324]

Steve from gamers nexus has talked about it. Doing your own case is so much harder than it sounds. Most likely scenario would be for them to "collab" with someone already making a good case. Mostly just them putting their name on a case to endorse it.

[@dralord1307]

@@alexdavis9324 Yeah and Steve turned it down because the viewers were worried about "conflicts of interest"

[@Ferrari255GTO]

"Big oversight" Dude, you are being insanely kind to them really. Even on the early 2000's they knew not to do this

[@NDKfrl]

You can't expect Gigabyte to make a sensible product without whacking them over the head with it, repeatedly. It is simply not their way.

[@Sup_D]

It would be really wrong to call that an Big Oversight. It is an obvious fault, especially considering how many case manufacturing companies had been on fire for poor airflow, forcing them to make revised model of the case in question.

[@FarmerEnvoyXtreme]

Rely on Gigabyte to bring a product that looks nice and something you would want to buy, only to be massively disapointed due to some clearly obvious blindsided mistakes such as airflow.

[@Killswitch1411]

Air? What's Air?

[@cookiemon420]

@@Killswitch1411 idk man, just leave it out

[@SegmentW]

7:27 would've listened to him talk about that for hours. Good quote there Linus, kudos to the writers

[@arthuralford]

Great concept, total failure in execution. Instead of a clean sheet, they tried "adapting" a case that was not great to begin with. Linus' rant was near-Steve at Gamers Nexus level snark (and I so want to see them get one of these). Watching you cut open the front panel was both shocking and hilarious

[@houstonOLED]

Not necessarily defending gigabyte, but it is actual very very expensive and also time consuming to make the tooling to develop a brand new case from scratch. So modifying an existing case certainly would be the move for a proof of concept. No doubt they are working on an actual case that is made for this type of stealth motherboard application and if they do…it really could be game changing for the industry. Or they will be lazy and fuck it up. One of the two :)

[@limwellz]

@@houstonOLED 13:30 lazy

[@engineeringtehmetals]

Honestly, great job at showing restraint Linus. After seeing the garbage airflow, if I saw the automatically downloading spamware, I may have punched that PC off the desk. Thanks for showing the glaring issues that tell me never to buy from them.

[@akaRAIJIN]

Yeah its a shame, they have some great products but also some dudu. I guess thats most brands though.

[@kevinwells9751]

It's such a cool idea and looks so good on the inside, but then they had to fuck it up by taking away all of the airflow, add bloatware, and not check to see if they actually made the holes big enough for the connectors. I am excited to eventually see a case with this concept but with good execution

[@connor040606]

Such a shame for a great idea.

[@JohnAdams-qc2ju]

Sadly people might get fired for this video [people who's company said okay make this as cheap as possible and re-use stuff we have and here we'll give you half the people needed which means they couldnt hire a real designer or QA who could say this doesn't work and were forced to give a bad product and even worst the leadership who cause this issue will see this video and blame their staff and fire them when they were only doing their job and working within the limits they were provided with]. Just F^&KED up p!ss poor retarded upper mangement causing issues and then blaming the workers and firing them as an escape goat so that head of new products can go to a director meeting and push blame from himself to the lead of this case and fire them]. Overall I wish linus pointed this out because now a person (or more) will get fired and the cause/root of the issue wont be fix so overall linus is indirectly helping keep a btoken model most companies have.

[@kaipakta817]

Not only does it look slick, it looks more organized to me. I'm not due for a build anytime soon, but I hope this becomes more common in the future!

[@HearMeLearn]

if you watch the whole video the case is actually kind of poorly designed, so you better hope for a better attempt in the future lol

[@johnmagbag2711]

​@@HearMeLearn I think he is referring to internals

[@HoloScope]

@@HearMeLearn The concept is great, those little things are easily fixable and has more to do with bad quality control. Edit: apparently someone didn't get it, but I meant "easily fixable" from a manufacturer standpoint. These are small issues that would be easy to rectify from the manufacturer. OBVIOUSLY I would not recommend a consumer to buy something if they have to modify it to make it work as it should. USE YOUR BRAIN!

[@billyeveryteen7328]

@@HoloScope They are easily fixable, as Linus showed by just cutting a big fuck-off hole in it, but the point is that he shouldn't HAVE to drill a hole in the case. This isn't the early to mid-2000s, where enthusiast PC cases were rare and you needed to take a dremel to your case to do proper cable management or whatever. With the DIY PC market as big as it is now, you can buy a case that you shouldn't need to modify at all.

[@MrKnowledge0014]

@@billyeveryteen7328 My take away from this is Gigabyte done fucked up again.

[@Devo_gx]

After just assembling a new PC this week, your comment about companies not being able to come together for a standardized front panel connector layout hit home. Drove me crazy!

[@xtos2001]

This feels like the first authentic video in a long time. While being authentic, it also had some fun. It wasn't just non-stop BS that appears funny and just makes the whole video fluff. It's like there was real interest in the product and a real reaction to it.

[@TheJubess]

He still held back in his opinion. But it was a genuine review. James always has genuine reviews as well. Maybe thats why we don't see him that often anymore

[@Polyrux]

I liked the port shifts for a lot of the cables. Especially for those super clean builds. Definitely has a ton of potential.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

Sadly I think that is the culmination of this, just "Potential" and nothing more. So cool. I can see some other companies applying this to SFF custom prebuilt systems.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

@@crisnmaryfam7344 i think it would be cool if instead of building a whole mb around being slick, adapters to route the plugs backwards with a stealthy look could get the same job done in a way simpler way that is almost as effective. It wouldn't be as clean, but i think it would do the job

[@twizz420]

It would make more sense to redesign the power system to where you only need to plug one cable into the motherboard and then the motherboard sends the power to the drives and GPU itself.

[@Ferrari255GTO]

@@twizz420 oh, no it wouldn't! Do you know the problem it would be to need to power everything directly from the motherboard? To start with something, almost any short could be a catastrophic one, ending in the death of many components (or even all of them), wich isn't as likely with the current layout, the whole motherboard would need a massive overhaul with a huge increase in cost, more heat disipation too since it now runs the power of the entire system, and other problems that i might not realize. I understand why it seems like a good idea, but it would be a massive headache and increase the damage risk with minor failures to unsuspected ends. Another thing would be that the high power lanes from the GPU are separated from the motherboard, wich could prevent ghe motherborad from dyng if the GPU dies and vice versa in case the mobo dies. I could keep going but i think i made my point

[@pearce05]

@@Ferrari255GTO how do you think laptop motherboards are powered?

[@Slobbering_Koala]

Watching Linus break out the holesaw is exactly the kind of content I like to see... keep it up you Crazy Canucks!

[@emerald39]

What's the timestamp pls

[@Cristobal_Hernandez]

@@emerald39 14:05

[@originalityisdead.9513]

For someone with OCD, this is a dream come true. Its absolutely glorious.

[@jonmayer]

There is absolutely no reason for those tolerances to be so tight on the back connectors. They are already hidden, give them some slop for larger or odd shaped connectors. Nice engineering sample. And most anti-virus programs uninstall like malware. It's not right. Screw Gigabyte.

[@amunak_]

Yeah, and it could even be a standard feature of every case. Just make a hole behind the motherboard with supports only for the standoff screws. Boom, anyone can now make a motherboard with connectors on the opposite side at any place that's not in line with a standoff screw. If you are worried about smaller form factors looking bad with holes beneath them you could provide a sheet metal (or even plastic) to plug the holes with.

[@jan-lukas]

Anti-virus and virus aren't always that different. Actually most times they're basically the same

[@dooder126]

Oooh he must be an insider. He said engineering sample 😮

[@Whitewolf1984p]

I've always wondered why they never did things this way round, it makes WAAY more sense. Also, Linus just yoloing the front of the case with a drill XD

[@bobjohnson9767]

People didn't care about aesthetics when ATX was released.

[@Brandonr757sGaming]

@@bobjohnson9767 This is true, plus it would require more than just standardizing TYPES of ports like ATX does; it would mean standardizing the LOCATION of ports which would be.. a massive headache

[@m.syamil_KR4PU]

apple did with the mac pro

[@chaos.corner]

@@bobjohnson9767 That and early cases were horizontal, not tower.

[@friday5670]

7:06 I don’t think you have to get the majority of MoBo vendors to agree where to place the headers. But just to agree where not to put the ports. Then the case vendors can use a slot rather than a hole.

[@zig131]

Where this works is the CPU 12V because there already is a hole. Any PC Case worth it's salt has a large cut-out in the motherboard tray so that CPU coolers can be switched out without having to remove the motherboard. The CPU 12V could easily be switched to the back of the motherboard in this area and retain compatibility with the vast majority of motherboards. The reason they may not do this is the increased packaging costs to accommodate a single connector on the rear :/

[@SwefoZ]

Can I just say that that ending was really well done. The way Linus haphazardly drilled holes in the case summed up the review to a 't' - great concept shoddy execution

[@EmblemParade]

Verge: all you need to build a computer is a Swiss Army Knife. Linus: don't forget the power tools.

[@chasm9557]

You forgot the livestrong anti static bracelet and "tweezers."

[@kermeinchara4328]

@@chasm9557 that poor guy got screwed so hard by Verge lok

[@chasm9557]

@@kermeinchara4328 I like that after his NDA was up, he did a video with LTT and gave good insight as to why it ended up that terrible. It made me go from thinking he was an arrogant fool to someone that just ended up in over their head without being given time to swim to the surface. Lots of respect for him acknowledging how bad it was and redeeming himself on LTT afterwards. It was refreshing to see someone making amends for a really large fiasco.

[@LRM12o8]

@@chasm9557 couldn't agree more! The host made up for it, he's a decent guy. But the Verge hasn't made amends yet, so we shall continue burning them!

[@chasm9557]

@@LRM12o8 I have no problem with people making mistakes so long as they learn from it and try to make restitution. I have a problem with people trying to sweep it away instead of trying to fix it. Verge swept, he fixed.

[@shadowcheto85]

Steve approves of Linus's emergency tracheotomy on that suffocating case.

[@dmg799]

We need a gamersnexus + ltt case made

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

@@dmg799 it's just going to be the Phanteks p500a or Fractal Design Torrent

[@dmtphone]

When i saw this my first thought was: "this is a brilliant idea, can't wait for someone who isn't gigabyte to do it."

[@wickedwonka999]

Yeah but let's be real. If MSI or NZXT did it, it would be just as bad on airflow.

[@robertlloyd291]

i hope this becomes a normal thing with more case, motherboard and gpu options this is actually a brilliant idea. not having to reach deep into the case to plug thing in alone is brilliant

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

What would be really great if they did away with multiple connectors thrown all over the boards. E.g. if pcie connectors had a few wider pins (it'd make the slot a bit longer, yes) for power, you could do away with the extra power connectors on the GPU. Same with mb, why have a separate connector for additional power of you could make it common with the main 24pin, like make say a 30-pin connector and be done with it already. A bit harder to do with RGB and coolers but sone creative thinking could solve it to, like integrating the standardized layout in the fan mount somehow. Somebody should sit down at the table and revise the ATX specs to make that happen, my whole PC is like a f*ng spaghetti factory on the cable management side, and it took lots of effort to make it look decent on the visible side.

[@egeirmakgulseven8945]

Opening holes on a working computer is one of the most Linus thing you can do.

[@fajaradi1223]

And don't forget to accidentally drop it

[@johnmiller2905]

Well, the "working" part is debatable lol

[@egeirmakgulseven8945]

@@johnmiller2905 it is working. Just badly.

[@Erick-no8zn]

It would be great if industry adopted this as the standard, the time saving this would be when you need to plug the motherboard connectors or do some maintenance and don't need to disconnect any other components is astonishing, just pop the back panel up, do what you have to do and close it back. Plus the front looks super smooth.

[@thanishdavipaul2876]

plus makes the cleaning easier

[@julianying98]

The problem is some idiot decided to patent this design(I think) so everybody doesn't wanna pay for that, it ain't that important. Plus, it makes it so that it's more annoying to DIY repair/change/maintain and less hands on people would have to buy from them instead. ~BUSINESS~

[@johnmiller2905]

Yo linus, when using a hole saw, set the "clutch" on the drill lower so that it doesn't catch so hard when the blades hit. Took me a while to learn that lesson too lol!

[@NavyMitchell]

This makes so much sense. How have I never heard this? I work in construction......

[@Yahyaa2009]

finding the right setting for torgue is a bitch though...

[@cncgeneral]

But then it stops cutting and makes and annoying clicking noise. Just hold it properly

[@leviathanx0815]

I kinda waited for the big bang...Jake was understandably not looking happy... I mean, I myself took, on the same day, an 18V Makita battery pack twice to the face and almost twisted my wrist before one of the shots just because that stupid hole saw caught itself. I can take a good punch usually, but that made me sit for a few minutes, tbh. Next thing I did was purchasing a drill with auto-clutch-release upon being stuck.

[@FAQUERETERMAX]

This is so helpful, why didn't I know this?

[@lotkf1]

This is why airflow is the first thing I consider when choosing a case.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Same !

[@hman6159]

Same

[@D_8KEN]

This needs to become standard! ATX is such a dated concept. If we designed the computer from scratch in 2022 it wouldn't look like it does now.

[@robbiefl2001]

For sure, and once there's a case like this that comes out with 5.25/3.5" drive bays I'll definitely get one of them

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@@robbiefl2001 uhhhh... External bays are not exactly a feature these days. If you need a drive, external USB ones are faster these days, regardless of what type.

[@robbiefl2001]

@@marcusborderlands6177 you'd be surprised how many cases still have them, and yes external is faster but I personally just prefer having my desk a bit less cluttered up, so having an internal one helps with that

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

@@marcusborderlands6177 and if you HAVE to have an optical drive, burner or what have you, they make them slim enough and small enough you can hide it in the cable side of the case if you want. OR just get an external usb one and toss it in the junk drawer when you are done.

[@Alepap.]

That's what i think of gaming mice too

[@ojje79]

Finally, I’ve been thinking about this for years. Hopefully this becomes some form of standard so we can get rid of all the visible cable clutter.

[@brentgreeff1115]

Start slow - lets get the GPU cables at the bottom.

[@Leadvest]

2:18 Love the juxtaposition of patent dispute, and innovation. My favourite example of this sort of situation is the Hill cartridge loader. Which FN didn't cut a deal with Hill for, but they were perfectly happy integrating his design into one of their products once his patent expired.

[@edwardtan1354]

FN be like ohh god has anyone in this factory knows how ti make a carousel... ohh wait right Hill sent us his prototype for some ammo twisty deisgn ohh hey it works we present you P90

[@rim.abderaouf]

now we need to see gigabyte reaction to this video, especially the part where he drilled the case, that was hilarious, really made my day 😂😂😂

[@Larry_Owlmann]

This is one of the first gimmicky ideas that I could easily see taking off. I’m really excited to see if this becomes standard or at least a more available option on future boards, cases, and cards.

[@ThePiprian]

I really hope this takes off! I can imagine this going the way of the PSU schroud.

[@LordFokas]

Boards would have to be built specifically for these cases. For GPUs, it would be easy so have connectors on front and back and an optional shroud on the front one. For boards, I think it would be simpler and more compatible to have all the connectors pointing to the side like the SATA ones and then cases can just provide shrouds to cover everything up.

[@SparkRattle]

This board does EVERYTHING I bought accessories for to hide cables with... 90 degree 24pin rerouters, 180 degree 8-pin PCIe rerouters, custom covers, and custom IO pin shrouds, all just to do a piss poor job at what this thing accomplishes... I'm kinda stoked for the potential of this... and feel bad at my attempt. :/ EDIT: I'll definitely keep at it and see how far I can go.

[@Joze_Sketch]

Thank you gigabyte for showing to your competition what they can do to improve their own version of this case saving them thousands of dollars on development.

[@spankbuda5760]

Actually it's Maingear you should be thanking.

[@Idiomatick]

They have a patent so competition will have to wait about 10 years.

[@animalyze7120]

Kudos to Gigabyte for finally beginning work on an Idea I've had for a very long time, it's not perfect yet but it is a very good start on a solid and novel solution to cable clutter.

[@ValhayaPC]

Can't wait to be able to do this myself and become the king of cable management

[@pedrosoares7273]

THIS SHOULD BE THE STANDARD! For all the cases and motherboards. There's got to be a way

[@radu-cristianbejan7191]

I'm praying for that!

[@alexandrameganco8104]

Theres no airflow in this case sad to say.

[@theskywalker8416]

@@alexandrameganco8104 that could be fix later in next line up but the fact that putting all in behind make it so clean ,aesthetic and the most importantly ...you dont have to worry about bending the cable when run it around !

[@nathaniel1207]

I really want it to be standard for graphics cards, since the power cables are so ugly, especially when you have 2-3 8 pins like the most powerful cards tend to have.

[@BlackThunderRC]

If you have any experience in board design you wont be all that impressed by this. Hardly anything has been done to accomplish this. Id still like to see this more widely implemented though.

[@dooder126]

I had to scroll to damn far to see this comment.

[@Spirit532]

Would hate to sit there and rejigger all the power planes back to front though, ouch.

[@nickryan3417]

Well it's quite different to just mounting the ports on the bottom of the case as all the tracks have to be mirrored, which is non-trivial.

[@Astromamut]

@@nickryan3417 Just use a mirror when building PC and you're ok

[@nickryan3417]

@@Astromamut LOL

[@adam872]

This takes me back to when I used to work on and sysadmin Sun, SGI and other brands of Unix workstations. They had very few cables in them (Sun Ultra workstations in particular) and they were super tidy and easy to work on. I look inside the average tower PC and wish more of them were like what I see in this video and those workstations I used to run.

[@mndlessdrwer]

Workstations back in the day also used to make use of a lot of riser boards and daughter cards, which were unreasonably cool in their own right. I miss those halcyon days of computing when companies just went balls to the wall and did what they wanted to do to get the performance in the form factor that they wanted. Having said that, there are still quite a few companies that make servers where the only cables you have are the SAS cables going to the front drive controller board from the custom PCIe slot on the side of the motherboard where the RAID controller sits. Thankfully, more companies are moving to RAID controllers that will operate in JBOD mode without necessitating you flashing a custom BIOS and ROM to the controller.

[@adam872]

@@mndlessdrwer totally. In terms of RAID, I'm now all about ZFS (having come from NetAPP technology) which means giving the OS very low level access to the individual disks. In that world, hardware RAID controllers are seen as more of a hindrance than anything.

[@mndlessdrwer]

@@adam872 Hence why I mentioned JBOD support, as it allows you to address all of the disks as Just a Bunch Of Disks, and thus lets you use software RAID. Sure, you lose a lot of the justification for a RAID controller in the first place, but at least it can still give you diagnostic info.

[@adam872]

@@mndlessdrwer indeed

[@ziggyinc]

I love how Linus always SLAYs case designers who deserve it.

[@No-mq5lw]

I like how Apple kind of did the same thing Gigabyte/Mainframe did here in the Mac Pro, but unlike Apple, they bent OTS components against their will to accomplish this

[@thexgamer8240]

Everyone: *Where are the cables?* Linus: *Gone. Reduced to atoms.*

[@The-Meaning-of-Life-is-42]

I used the cables to destroy the cables!

[@gau-8avenger604]

*atoms

[@phile1035]

every company need to start doing this. it will sell out at a premium price guaranteed. this is amazing

[@anthonym10]

I love the concept of this. However the fact of it limiting different combinations of hardware makes it a no go for me. I would be all for this concept being standardized and de-vendor locked.

[@artur6912]

Yup, the only way for this to catch on. Being locked in to one particular GPU, CPU and case that I don't find particularly pretty makes this nothing more than a novelty to me.

[@jch7807]

I must give Gigabyte props for actually making this concept a reality!

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

An AIR starving case ?

[@OMGITSJAD]

Love this idea for not having to fight around components when wiring the PSU cables and just having it all neat and tidy presented in the back of the case. The actual case could be designed way better though.

[@raggedvagabond7537]

Dude... Should totally make this pissed off poetic justice thing a regular staple to the channel. It was beautiful 😍

[@krugboi]

Woah that case is so good that Linus had to drill 2 holes to get it work properly

[@JonesingUSAF]

The lack of airflow was a design feature! No air = no fire when the power supply explodes! In the event of it catching on fire, it is now a fire containment zone like on a Navy ship!

[@Big_Flubba]

Plot twist

[@brandonhale7574]

I love how Linus just drilled two holes in the front for the fans. It was an insane temperature difference after doing that. Pretty crazy!

[@arrone7]

Whoever edited this, I think it made it even more enjoyable 👍

[@KleinkMusic]

I really hope this sets a trend in the future. This stuff looks really sick and I'm excited to see where the building community takes it.

[@mastervexpc1881]

Love this GN calling out bad airflow had about same effect as this Linus call out did, but GN (Steve) has been doing this for long time 🙂 You have to call them out more Linus! PCMR deserves better!

[@lc5945]

In terms of "useless air filters", the CM Silencio 652s is another example

[@thereisnospace]

i love my 550 tho that one is pretty slick and has airflow

[@hazgebu]

it's usefull to filter the metal dust from the drill though :)

[@lc5945]

@@thereisnospace the cm 690 II was awesome! They just missed "the vent" with that silencio one (air intake behind the filter)

[@lc5945]

@@hazgebu nope, the air intake vents (unfiltered) are behind the front filter covered by a door that you could simply open: since air follows the path of least resistance, the filter would remain useless

[@hazgebu]

@@lc5945 i didn't talk about the air. I was just joking about the metal dust but I guess the joke went the same way as the air

[@DONK0]

That drilling part made this one of my all time favorite ltt videos ever

[@mdocod]

Honestly the cables on the front of the motherboard, when cleanly routed and looped through from the back, looks fine to me. I think that if all GPU's could move their 6+2 PIN power connections to the base of the card pointing towards the "rear" of the card, we could solve the most annoying cable in most builds. Also, 12V-only ATX would be nice to cut down on the ATX power connector a bit. Absolutely love the hole saw action. That's like something I would rage-do to make a point.

[@trakaiszeks]

12v only atx makes the expensive motherboards even more expensive and moves some psu heat into the motherboard too.

[@mdocod]

​@@trakaiszeks If you look at how little current is drawn on the 5V and 3.3V rails on a modern computer, you'd realize that we're actually wasting a ton of component cost and size in the PSU supporting capabilities that are no longer used. All high current components on the motherboard are PWM regulating from the 12V rail. Right now, you're paying for a big 5V and 3.3V rail whether your system makes use of them a little or a lot. For the vast majority of systems out there with a single SSD and no other drives installed, this is a waste. I would actually like to see the ATX standard go 20V-only, with low power systems powered from a single 4-pin, or optional USB-C power input, and higher power systems just adding more 4/8pin connections to the motherboard/GPUs based on how much power they draw. 20V would require 40% less wire and 40% less physical connection surface area to move the same energy. Given that it's now commonplace for consumer class motherboards to require dual 8-pin EPS and GPU's to require 2-3 or more 6+2PIN PCIE power connectors, the number of connectors and wire is getting out of hand to carry all this power at 12V. This would be a good opportunity to standardize all internal power connections to a new, more efficient and universal plug design. There's no need for the CPU, GPU, and ATX-MoBo to all be different. These could a new universal connection standard and could move towards a new, easier to use, more space efficient plug. Furthermore, I would like to see the responsibility for providing 3.3V, 5V, and 12V to SATA/SAS devices go to SATA backplanes in cases. If the case is going to have 2.5" or 3.5" bays, it should have the SATA headers/backplanes in place for these, with oculink or mini-SAS connectors for communication to the motherboard. This further reduces wiring clutter. Instead of a bunch of individual SATA cables in a case, a single occulink handles up to 8 drives worth of data. Instead of a bunch of manually routed SATA power connectors, a backplane provides a rapid way to power all the drives and communicate with the motherboard. So much cleaner! Look at the way servers handle this. Desktop computers are so far in the stone age on this.

[@vargabazsaa]

@@mdocod man, I appreciate that you wrote this out, and i mean this in the nicest way, but you need to touch some grass dude. Not for the sake of me jabbing at you, but for your wellbeing.

[@stevesteve8098]

you cannot do 12v only., this would introduce massive cross talk and other switching noise into the the only supply rail. and for people saying yep well you could have multiple 12v taps... no that would mean the same PSU infrastructure as 5 & 3 & 1, so what is the point? the loss would also increase... instead of going 120/240->12/5/3.3/1 you would go 1120/240->12->5/3.3/1 you would have a double conversion loss and more heat. and a shed more switching noise & smoothing issues.

[@mdocod]

@@stevesteve8098 Hi Steve. All the high power devices in a computer are already doing double conversion, and most of the other components that aren't don't actually need to run at one of those other voltages anymore. There are already numerous separate 12V to 1.XV PWM regulators in desktop computers. If this "crosstalk" problem you're concerned about were a problem it would already be a problem. Eliminating the last few 3.3V and 5.0V loads on a motherboard or system drives is a very small change from where we already are in terms of how much load is being pulled from those rails. Most ATX power supplies these days derive their 5V and 3.3V rails from DC-to-DC from the primary 12V rail, which means that you're already doing double conversion in most PC's anyway, and carrying that lower voltage, higher current, over longer wires, rather than doing the final voltage regulation near the load, making it LESS efficient. Moving those outside of the PSU and onto the motherboard or other components on an AS-NEEDED basis will actually reduce inefficiencies (as the regulators can be sized for the load better than the ones in the PSU). You're thinking about an era of computing that is dead, when many loads were actually driven directly off of the 3.3V and 5V rails. These days the only loads left that run off those voltages are miniscule and could be changed to run off 12V without any major issues.