Where Did all the MH3 Hype Go?

[@laneyarcade]

We aren't given enough time to connect with each set before a newer new is upon us. What's it feel like to get tired of a set? I can't remember

[@jakestromberg9128]

I stopped buying cards a few sets ago. It has to do with greed from WOTC and burn out. I was spending too much and with the price increase it’s just not financially sustainable for me anymore. I think it was the play booster that killed it for me. It’s sad, it’s been a big part of my life. Playing commander at home, drafts and pre release at my LGS, cracking 2 or three boxes from each set. It was a fun ride and I don’t regret it.

[@markusbetts]

Take a financial break man, proxy for now if you want to still stay involved. It’s supposed to be your disposable income don’t let WOTC apply stress to your life 😅

[@Byteside546]

Agreed with the proxy statement, our whole pod has a blast deckbuilding and staying up to date because we don't have to shell out a 2nd mortgage for cardboard

[@trickeepat]

Printing on paper is the solution my friend. Your printer won't mind being used

[@elijahwalker323]

Lets be honest the greed isn't from WOTC, it is from Hasbro, even maybe more specifically Chris Cocks. That is the main thing that has changed in the last couple years. Also WOTC/Magic single handedly supporting the whole of Hasbro's.

[@behappy-d2z]

I havent bought one Play Booster Display. They need to balance it before I will buy these and go for more new themes than reprints of old sets. Looking forward to Final Fantasy and Bloomburrow is the only this year I buy.

[@magusofthebargain]

It's about price. I'm not going to pay $260 plus tax and shipping for a MH3 play booster box, which has less value (in my opinion) than a MH2 draft booster box which I can buy for $184 plus tax and shipping. MH3 play box for $180 is a snap buy, but until I see that... I'll wait till xmas.

[@apao50000]

This was one of my favorite JAJAM videos. I hope WOTC watches this vid and starts doing something about it. Like the Marvel movies, its an overproduction problem. Eventually, there's only so long the Commander well can provide water without risk of drying up. WOTC produces 2 to 4 precons every set, even though Commander became popular organically with only 5 precons per year being produced. I doubt any Commander player wants to build a new commander in 2024, try to have their deck optimized, and see that within the year of building and finishing their deck, that there are several auto-includes being printed which requires you to spend $250 for three mythic singles, just to switch out two fringe cards and a land. (Example: me, Karn Legacy Reforged, released in Aftermath, nearly requiring Ulamog, Emrakul and Ugin's Labyrinth, not necessarily because of synergy with artifacts matters, but just because they are so pushed as colorless spells). The release of new Mythics like these, in my example, is somewhat to use new cards, but also somewhat frustrating because without any breathing periods for releases, there is not sufficient time to experience the decks you build; then the cards don't feel as special, lose collectability/desirability, and the normally fun power creep flies too fast.

[@apao50000]

is somewhat fun to use new cards***

[@WildcatMTG]

Joel, you crushed it in this video. It’s incredible how often the running joke has been “Commander (insert set name here).” But of course that’s going happen because Commander is such a wide up format. Cards are going to find homes in Commander decks that are otherwise after thoughts in constructed because they work in niche build arounds. Isn’t that the beauty of Commander though? WoTC gets deserved criticism when they swing and miss. But looking back, both prior Horizons sets have been immensely impactful and popular. WoE was awesome. LCI was awesome. Swing and miss on MKM. OTJ has a generally high approval rate despite skepticism on the old west theme… that’s a pretty high batting average.

[@ullrich]

9:19 This is actually a really good point that I had never considered before. You're right - the majority of the time, any given set is only going to have a small fraction of cards that actually make it into a format of any kind. And I suppose in the past, the design restrictions were there (in part) to make sure that the entire meta wasn't destroy every single time a set came out, but there were only so many formats. But now that commander is the most popular format, what's the harm in cutting into that % of cards that would otherwise be unused chaff and dedicating them to commander? I think this is especially easy to do because often times, cards that are gas in commander are a pass in other constructed formats - the singleton nature of the format, the access to potentially synergize with virtually every card ever printed, the need for redundant effects, the ability to play higher mana spells, and the more or less casual nature of the format can give set designers space to fill a set with some % of cards good for constructed and some % of cards good for commander without overloading either, all while ensuring that any given pack in a set has a higher chance of providing a card with value in SOME format rather than thousands upon thousands of cards that really just do nothing. Not saying they've necessarily perfected this by any means, but I think it's an important point to consider.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Yeah this is exactly the thought I'm having a hard time reconciling

[@joshoa90210]

Commander being the most played format now it makes sense they are making commander cards every set. Some people hate to hear it but if commander is the most played format, that essentially makes the game a commander first game. I’ll try to clarify with an example. It’s like if everyone stoped buying regular coke and started only drinking Vanilla Coke. Coca Cola would up the production of Vanilla Coke because it’s their most popular product now. And the people who drink regular coke still complain about how regular coke should be the coke that is produced the most. Sorry y’all, the most popular format dictates what cards are getting prioritized over at WOTC. It’s business.

[@sfquigle]

For me it's product fatigue and a baseline contempt for Wizards. Either on their own could be overcome by my collector bug, but combined they're a Voltron of not giving a damn.

[@Nephalem2002]

MH3 shouldn’t have had anything for Commander. The Precons should’ve been Modern Challenger Decks and be actually good decks compettively with some cheap upgrades.

[@toms1782]

WOTC will continue to print the way they are as long as people are buying :)

[@gildedgrimoire7733]

If it were a normal priced set I'd be excited, but if they plan to release set after set this fast I have to choose a few to skip, so the uber expensive set will be it, probably bloomborrow as well

[@joshuadempsey5281]

It’s funny how there’s simultaneously people complaining that it’s “commander horizons” with “nothing for modern”, while others complain that it’s “forcing rotation in modern due to power creep”.

[@t.yop9]

Yes, people have different opinions.

[@marcelhoernchn3909]

Modern always was just „power creeping“

[@czairkolmoslink5952]

Doesn't help when Wizards makes a ad saying "Powerful New Tools for Commanders" Then shows MH3... Yes we did get some cards but 1/4 of the let are commander cards old reprints and new cards. Then when you watch the video of them talking about MH3 it just feels like a bit fuck you moment. When they say "we want to make really powerful cards for commander players" That's the shit people are mad about. Keep up

[@8bitgoonies]

Boring is exactly right, I used to buy multiple boxes each set, I haven't cracked a box since Wilds of Eldraine, no point, I just pick up one or two upgrades from each set to my existing commanders and move along, I don't foresee ever buying another box at this stage. Its not the set itself, MH3 looks great, but each week there is a new product and they all look fun. My big problem with all this is that commander has not become more diverse, it has just sped way up. I am almost done with it all together...

[@PontificatingPanda]

For me personally, I’m just not a fan of eldrazi or energy for flavor and mechanic reasons. I think mh3 is fine and I’m actually glad I’m not hyped about it so my wallet can breathe a bit. I’ll probably do prerelease, buy some singles, and look towards bloomburrow

[@coltonlyne6736]

People said the EXACT same thing about MH2, ‘commander masters.’ When the evoke elementals all got spoiled Fury was unanimously agreed the worst one lol this set is going to be awesome I can’t wait.

[@TDeck1]

Money machine is moving. I'm not meta. Adapt or die. Normal game shit. 🤷🏼

[@NerdAndProudOfIt]

Very interesting video! Thanks for your point of view! 😁👊🏻

[@Strife72]

I just wish the price wasn’t becoming more and more out of reach for many players. $99.95 CAD for a bundle box is quite steep given the cost of living nowadays.

[@gokumasteredultrainstinct1]

On point. I like format shakeups. Change is refreshing and I have multiple thousand dollar modern decks. People get lazy brewing and just wanna net deck everything. Brewing is exciting to me.

[@austinturgoose]

I personally haven’t seen much hate, maybe because I’ve found my lane in Magic. My favorite format is pioneer, so all I pay attention to are the standard sets, and then I’ll buy a few cards here and there for the few commander decks I have. I do understand the complaints, though. Do you realize they haven’t released a challenger deck in 2 years? In fact the only non commander decks that have been made in all that time are a few starter decks. In the meantime commander has already gotten 12 decks this year alone. Not to mention how commander inserts in normal sets have often had negative effects on various 60 card environments, the banning of stickers and attractions being the latest evidence of that. Your best point is that they use these cards to boost sales of products, since the larger portion of Magic’s player base is commander focused. However, I don’t think this is a justification of inattention to other magic players’ needs. One of the strengths of Magic is its diversity, where everyone can find a way to play that excites them. This is also good financial practice, kind of like diversifying your investments rather than going in on only one stock. As the commander focus of the game has kicked into overdrive in the last few years, that situation has become more and more unstable. Commander won’t always be the cash cow that it is, and if wizards isn’t smart about it they will be left in a disadvantageous position. Please understand that I’m not trying to hate on commander or commander players, but it is a little silly to not understand how a set literally called MODERN horizons containing decks with non-modern playable cards is a bit of a joke. I think non-commander players just want to have products made for them and not just the golden child format, and I don’t see how that is unreasonable.

[@edpaolosalting9116]

Nah, I agree with you. There is just so much product that it is not giving collectors like me to breathe. I'm a commander player, and even I think this set has a lot of "EASY WAY TO COMBO OUT."

[@Byteside546]

The frustration with this set is likely all the free spells, and pushed cards that can objectively go in a ton of decks by removing less flexible / worse versions that used to do the same thing, like swapping a tapped dual for one of the tapped dual mdfc cards, or swapping a 3mana interaction for a free one.

[@Byteside546]

But I do love the Nonbasic land hate, even as a filthy 2basics in edh player. Hope we can get a good balance.

[@NathanBullock-w9n]

​@Byteside546 me too big fan of older stuff like boseju 😃

[@31codyskater]

Unless im mistaken the only free spells are the flare cycle and they seem fairly balanced in my opinion. Having to pay mana for a real creature and then sac it for the effects are a real cost. Since you had to pay mana for the creature you sac its not really free.

[@onlyhuman3281]

When your a player /collector/Timmy Like me Started collecting /playing -"2002" It is clear that if you own these cards from the past and then they release the same cards with a NEW Price! any Timmy will look at what is to be gained? Another chalice of the void? Hmmm I have a play set all ready from My dead in the water Eldrazy Tron Deck!! The same applies for many many many other cards! After purchasing several boxes of past sets in the collector range in the hope of pulling a Huge drop Eg Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Chrome Mox etc....... All I did was spend several Thousand dollars to then only fill my Jank and random rares to re trade at The LGS at which point they take all my best rares and I get x1 mana Crypt. Yay! I finaly own a mana Crypt its old its heavy played and Im glad to own one! The collector Box's from The new Ixilan set hit me hard with dismal pulls or Mythic Dinosaurs that have retail resale value of less then $20 a card when I spent $400 per Box to get utterly Hosed. Same thing with DBBL masters I bought several of the 18 card collector box at Australian price $150 a box I got hosed yet again with my best Pull being a full art Darcj confidant? I could go On and On!!!!! My last and final retail purchese was each fortnight collecting a Lotr fat pack as My Green Tron "Modern Deck" required a play set of the "One Ring" ok so I get the play set and Im down nearly $460 to acquire x4 cards then my LGS simply DROPS MODERN??????? I got utterly wrecked. Friday night magic at home with my buddys has become once a month now it was every Friday. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel is fading and it really F'ing Sux man.

[@dirtdealer6813]

I started playing at the end of 21', and since then, so much has come out. I thought it was 3 sets a year.

[@t.yop9]

Of course it's OK to print cards for other formats in the set. But when your primary focus is Commander then don't call it Modern Horizons. I don't think people are afraid the set will shake up Modern. The problem is Modern isn't being shaken up enough nor are they re-printing enough Modern cards to make it accessible. You have to do one or the other. If you're making a whole new set with the express purpose of bringing new cards to Modern, then you would expect more than a handful of cards to ever become playable in the format. That's the part people are unhappy about. Yes Commander makes money, we get it. But the current growth is not sustainable. You said it yourself, they've been printing new sets like crazy to chase the profit. However, they know they need a healthy Standard and Modern environment to sustain that consistent new card crave. That consistent built-in demand from forced rotation is not a part of Commander. Standard and Modern are necessary and Wizards knows it, but they're so focused on chasing profits from the Commander player base that rotating formats are in the worst shape in terms of engagement and player interest.

[@xeper9458]

They do commander precons for every set now because it's their top selling product line. You can't fault a company trying to maximize profit while also giving the community what they have demonstrated they want

[@ted8162]

No hate but why do you welcome format mix ups? You don’t really play or buy into 60 card so why does it affect you?

[@gastgadtje8753]

I only like a handful of cards. I dislike the energy and Eldrazi focus.

[@obadijahparks]

I haven't even checked them out....

[@MattCorrales]

I disagree a bit on the quality drop off. There’s been a lot of filler in standard sets and a whole set that could’ve just been skipped (the detective one). I’ve said it before and I will die on the hill that we need to phase back down to three smaller standard sets per year.

[@jperry253]

What comments and complaints? I haven't seen much in the way of negativity aside from price of course.

[@ML-yn9yu]

there have been soo many complaints.

[@ZSA004]

No more iconic duo than magic players and complaining.

[@edpaolosalting9116]

Its because MTG is turning into solitaire for all 1v1 formats. Yugioh's state made me hate the state of their eternal format. Now commander power creep is slowly creeping in like Phyrexian oil because now all decks would like to run the same new hotness broken stuff or combo pieces. I hope I'm wrong, but I am looking nervous.

[@fastydave]

​@@ML-yn9yuliterally there is not

[@ML-yn9yu]

@@fastydave you literally have a compliant in this tread. You legit can search the title of the set on youtube and see complaints in the title of the video. Let's not be stupid

[@energy-turtle]

I feel ya Joel I like what I see here in MH3 can’t wait

[@lordBeerus467]

This set is amazing and im amped for it.

[@loloshitake4594]

I stopped buying when I saw the multiverse nonsense, say whatever you guys want about how you dont mind them blah blah blah, its just cope. The cost is going up and I have no faith in the product or company for that fact.

[@Thalarion]

"its just cope" Or, maybe, people actually are excited for Universe Beyond? I think your the one coping

[@loloshitake4594]

@@Thalarion you don't know what coping means.. what negative event am I adjusting to and tolerating?

[@juliuscepukenas5284]

​@@loloshitake4594 negative event: other people like and encourage thing you don't like. Cope: they in reality also don't like that thing (like me) they are just pretending (coping).

[@Thalarion]

@@juliuscepukenas5284 bingo

[@glubgawd7393]

Universes beyond got me back into MtG 🤷‍♂️

[@elijahwalker323]

Overall I agree and disagree with you Jake, so I think one of the big reasons that Marvel kind of fell of was a disconnect between all the movies and shows + bad choices. Such as how wandavision ends and doesn't make sense with multivers of madness wanda. But with magic, it might be to much going on, creating a lot to keep up with. I do think standard is the most interesting it has ever been. Yeah we all look like the high percentage of esper, but honestly there is so much interesting stuff you can do that is viable. So I think the release schedule isn't the main problem, like the cards are solid mainly hits. Murders was a little meh, but everything else has been interesting and prices for singles for the most part arn't terrible. MH3 seems not as busted as MH2 was but more synergistic and intersting so I am excited.

[@MattCorrales]

And then they didn’t actually learn the aftermath lesson entirely. I have zero desire to buy assassin’s Creed boxes, and I think it will have some dope cards that will be overpriced because of how bad the distribution will be.

[@Ngschto]

hey, is you ending cinematics a Unreal ENgine 5 scene?

[@g1stylempdesign929]

Haven’t bought a box of anything since D&D Baulders gate - singles singles singles

[@jeremiahchamberlain4179]

A portion of magic player just want to complain and each year they say, this years sets are terrible last years sets were awesome. So whatever is new is terrible and whatever isnt is good.

[@ilikeapples1]

My problem with this set is that it seems ridiculously pushed on top of having a stupidly high price tag all in the midst of an exhaustingly padded release schedule. Like wallet fatigue already hits so hard it's difficult to be excited about new sets at all, especially a "premium" set that's going to cost an arm and a leg, and ESPECIALLY when you're expecting a good chunk of the cards to be so sweaty you pretty much HAVE to pay attention to them as a way to goad you into paying stupidly high prices. Like one of the most competitive players in my play group proposed a house ban on the new Ulamogg and every one of us upon seeing the preview immediately agreed. We've NEVER banned a card like that, we've never even discussed a house ban on anything before. Even when some people were losing their minds over Machine Mommy Elesh Norn and calling for it to be banned we weren't even entertaining the idea. That doesn't make me excited for a set, in fact it does the opposite.

[@czairkolmoslink5952]

My hype died when I saw the ad/promotion talking to the commander player and saying, " look at all the cards you can put into your commander deck from MH3... I love Commander, but fuck off when it comes to this set. Also, the MH3 commander cards could have been easily in the modern set... I also hate how we keep getting free-casting bullshit and how it keeps tearing down decks and not helping old decks.

[@dakotanielsen9073]

I don’t think it’s the fact that they are jamming commander cards in this set that’s got everyone annoyed. It’s that EVERY SET has been a dominantly commander set the past few years. As a commander player, it’s now completely impossible to keep up. I’m YEARS behind on learning the new cards and upgrading decks. Living inside a snow globe gets really old when every single set and every single universe beyond set shakes things up.

[@storeblaa]

Dont know what to sy but just about everyone i have seen or interacted with locally and online are just suuuuper stocked about mh3 and has been pretty excited for most sets the ladt years honestly, some misses as u mention ofc like aftermath but other then that general satisfaction (except of price ofc)

[@origaminosferatu3357]

Personally, as someone who's been playing for 10+ years it's just pretty hard to keep getting hyped for each new busted set and pushed mythic. I just wanna play the game once a week at my LGS and not worry about p***ing my money away to keep up.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

literally just recorded a video about this. when i post it, (probably next week) it will essentially answer your question.

[@EastToWestTCG]

So let's merge both properties together. That'll solve it! -Phang

[@xeper9458]

So long as Hasbro has the reins, there is no stopping. WOTC is all they got. As to MH3, I'm psyched it looks even more impactful than MH2

[@Hapkins-le6xf]

"What do ya'll want?" you ask? I'd like modern precons. I'm not mad about commander precons existing. I am mad about commander precons existing in the absence of modern precons. Otherwise, I am happy with MH3 so far. I'd also add this, MH3 feels too soon with universes beyond being direct to modern. Without universes beyond, now would be a greet time for MH3. But with universes beyond getting injected into modern twice a year, MH sets should probably be little more spread out.

[@quantum_beeb]

I think there is gonna be a shift toward legacy bc force of will, wasteland, and swords to plowshares. Till they reprint them in modern lol

[@Theanthill216]

No one is losing their minds for the reasons below: 1.) too much product! 2.) insane power creep to almost yugioh levels; too much too fast. 3.) the price increases basically price out a whole group of players….most players. 4.) as a master set this is what we should expect; Playable cards from common to mythic with solid reprints.

[@yubeluchiha]

This set has everything for new players to mtg and veteran players to build new strong decks. The problem is that a lot of players play commander format because it’s a party game and no matter how you build your deck or how much it cost $$$ your win rate always going to be 25%. The other problem is proxy cards for better artwork and saving money in a tcg card game why spend 100$ on a card in standard when I need 4 copy’s of the card that’s 400$ when I just play casual friendly games with proxy because mtg tournaments are just a waste of money interning when I can support my LGS by buying singles from them or buying a 1 booster box. saving money on cardboard from WOTC is the better option then to spend 1,000$ just to fix and still lose at your table.

[@jonasdietrich8109]

MH3 is the first set that I bought in two years, bceause it actually looked good. New products appear way to frequently, often feel rushed and/or lackluster and you just can't keep up with it. It is exhausting to keep yourself up to date with new releases, thus I skip most standard sets and not get overwhelmed with the sheer amount of product.

[@brianmcevoy1990]

Lmao yeah because it is the most pushed and overpowered set ever

[@MattCorrales]

The complaints I hear locally are from the boomers who were foolish enough to foil out their Goyf decks in the hope the price would last forever. Modern was never reserved list, never blue chip stocks. I own a fair chunk of RL cards now, but I’m stoked to get back into modern and stoked to have a format I can PLAY that’s dynamic and unsolved again. Hell, I want full fetches in pioneer with return to tarkir and I’m bummed they wasted cardboard on so many potential partners in OTJ that weren’t.

[@mr.nakamura9088]

They can't afford to slow down the printer.....Universes Beyond Lord of the Rings proved that there is so much more money to extract from players by integrating non MTG Intellectual Property. The real question is "when will wizards blow it up with irresponsible printing and price hikes?"

[@gudtimes6363]

my playgroup is pretty excited about the release.

[@ML-yn9yu]

Same! im freaking stoked about the Eldrazi love with this set.

[@leonfriedemann9151]

I think there is a lot of value in the set by now. Happily a lot of in the rare slot and tons of cool designs. I think a bit problematic are reprints of legends at mythic. As those most likly will go down to like 2 bucks. While if you open one of the others its like 60 bucks... Possibly more 😗 .... But i stil like the new artworks for those... Would havevloved a new base artwork for victimize ... And i am pretty interested whether laylia or cursed mirror or kappa canonear or the medalions will see play or bring new decks to modern... 😅

[@aaronmoad6291]

Look I'm actually hyped for the set. I think it is great that there are cards for every format. However, Modern decks would work. It costs Wizards no more money to print a Modern deck than a Commander deck. Actually, it would cost them less. Collectors might be annoyed but who cares, more players would have access to the cards they need to play the game.

[@juts89]

I think the quantity is annoying but the price is largely the main issue. All of the desirable sets are hugely overpriced so I just dont bother anymore.

[@Dexwin09]

cool, still purchasing those singles. why waste $250+ for a chance when with that exact money I can get exactly what I need. Still no value in buying boxes.

[@aaronwindham6065]

Strongly disagree on the flares, the blue one is the least likely to be used at least in any like competitive level, the black one's fine I want to sacrifice my things in every black deck were almost any black deck and it's a good effect, it's soul shatter for free. I see a lot of soul shatters on EDHrec and in person. I'm not even sure the green ones worth it, I mean I'd rather have any forest out for two mana than have two basic one in my hand

[@ertai4k]

"The releasing from MH1 werent evident right away" My brother in christ, Hogaak was a thing

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

But... It.... Wasn't evident right away... Lol

[@jeremiahchamberlain4179]

You might be in some kind of bubble, this set looks awesome, 3 game stores in my town and everyone is hyped for mh3. I think many vocal people are sour grapes about the cost of this set which is fair it makes it hard for a lot of people to engage with.

[@trevorjamieson8892]

Besides price, I'd say the big things people dislike about this set I'd say are these: 1. Modern Horizon sets are seen as essentially adding rotation to a non-rotating format, and have been the source of some of Modern's biggest problems as of late (like the evoke elementals). 2. This set in particular feels more like commander horizons, as the main focuses of the set (eldrazi, energy, flip planeswalkers) aren't really things modern was known much for, but are things more used in commander. This issue is exemplified with this modern set having commander precon decks 3. By there own admission, they push power creep with these sets, in a time where people are tired of the power creep that the game has been rampant with.

[@jeremiahchamberlain4179]

@@trevorjamieson8892 those are basically the complaints for each mh set and the other two sold plenty well, and all 3 are arguments that are tired and old. If we just throw cost out of the argument, formats need shaken up it is a good thing for them. The commander argument is absolutely dumb, people said that about the other two sets that were much more relevant to modern. Your argument 1 and 2 conflict with each other, how can it force roation in a format if the cards in the set are mostly not for that format? Then for argument 3, people say they are tired of power creep but here is a wierd fact, low power sets sell poorly, high power sets sell well. Money speaks the loudest to the direction of the game.

[@atomsk1972]

I stopped buying over 2 years ago due to the over saturation. I now watch new Marvel movies on stream when there's nothing else.

[@uruigi]

It's true. Commander has infected the entire game. But on the bright side, it's not commander's fault. It's the reason, but not to blame, because it simply made that much money during a time 100% of Magic was a casual game (covid times). It will take a long time before sets are designed objectively again.

[@El_Moxo]

I personally don’t like power creep and that modern got swallowed by modern horizons sets. But there is also lots of product. Most importantly though we should get more reprints of staples that is what is keeping me from buying product or singles. We need cheap mana cripts, moxes etc

[@pablocasal8390]

10k Modern deck? people might think the format is expensive (it is), but decks are around 1k, not 10, plenty people have spent way more than that in casual commander.

[@NathanBullock-w9n]

I hope they make that one low cost high power green creature🙏

[@hdgdaf4653]

Is it not just price? Everyone seems to agree the cards are great but this is also crazy expensive. Unless you are ripping packs to sell, the things you don't need don't help you recover the high cost of the set.

[@RadstacheAbides]

Magic Community: "There's too much, I can't buy everything!" Also Magic Community: "I don't want most of this, it's for [insert format] players!"

[@jinxsiemcdeath6250]

I know what Disney's plan is, they're spending the next 4 years on the DL until they can do Secret Wars with God Doom, with whose defeat the reborn universe in 2028 will feature... Iron Man because it's the 20th anniversary of the original MCU get it?, haha, fml. Then here comes Cap and Thor again, ready to save the company with $2b box office takes again....

[@jeffbriem]

The free spells are the weakest free spell cycle in the horizons sets but the overall power level of this set is bonkers.

[@salmathe8bitSamurai]

There was more filler because they only designed cards for standard. Other formats grew organically out of standard

[@veeclash4157]

$12.50 per pack of MH3. These prices are killing the game.

[@Trance2400]

I got back into MtG with the LotR set, but was already burnt out by the release schedule by Murders.

[@jamallynch1218]

honestly i agree with every word said here i still think modern 2 is the best set ever

[@chayadol]

Prolly just good old burn out. Too much product came out with crazy $$$. Talking about power creep, the only concern I have could be, where will this power creep reach up to at the end? That's the main problem about power creep. It'll come to the point where it creep so much, they have to tone it down and nobody want to tone down cos it'll ruin their powerful deck. For me personally, I hype for this set. I think it'll sell like craaaaaaaazy!

[@tripleeyeemoji]

Commander is 100% the reason why MTG has gotten worse. Wizards is only catering to commander. Saturating the market for commander players because they love it. Magic was better pre 2020 when everything wasn’t commander. It’s interesting how once everything was commander focused the game started to go downhill. The reason why people are complaining is because EVERYTHING is commander now. Even the modern sets are commander sets (commander precons, commander staples printed at mythic) Standard. Commander. Modern. Commander. It’s so annoying as a modern player.

[@agent9791]

Definately product fatigue.

[@magic_claw]

A majority of the complaint is cost.

[@bigPP.8----------------------D]

Power creep is too much. I can't keep up.

[@matteobagni1235]

MTG is in the yugiho era, so in a couple of years the game will probably implode. Edh will be fine

[@TripsAhoy]

Well said dude. ❤❤❤

[@behappy-d2z]

It does not help having all formats. 🙃 The price lvl on boxes are too high and too risky open like CM Collectors. Also prices will drop I will go for some bundles no more. Prices will never come back if people go on spending there last money on this one. Good luck though and support your Lg:s!!

[@BrandoThompson]

If they keep reprinting medallions and fetch lands I'm on board

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

It’s also just alot to keep up with

[@cloudmane4159]

There isnt enough support for all the modern archetypes

[@averageplaneswalker3461]

I blame the popularity of commander to be at fault for the slow downfall of the game. It will never die, but it's not getting any better to be honest.

[@JayLiquori]

Investing in a multi-thousand dollar modern deck is a liability these days

[@davidcavanaugh938]

OLE JAKEY JOEL

[@EastToWestTCG]

Nah, just Jole-y Joe

[@starry-dazed]

Say it louder so the people at WoTC can flippin listen!!!! Can't enjoy a set cuz another one hits in 2 months.

[@starry-dazed]

Also, I'm relatively new to MtG, Midnight Hunt. My playgroup used to be so excited to talk about new cards. Now we are all burned out and can't keep up.

[@L8RSTORM]

Sorry i have to disagree with you on this joel even standard starting ti have commander per con decks.

[@brosephstalin2805]

Listing the most impactful modern cards from MODERN SETS, isn't as strong as an argument as you think. Especially when commander receives all the supplemental sets that it does. We should be able to have this one thing.

[@jdeaconl]

Jakey jo, your streams have been super quiet for me! Fix? 🥺

[@TheTobaccoman]

It’s too much and too fast and honestly there isn’t a way to fix this unless they dial it back. Couple that with the huge prices of these new releases and you have people feeling meh. That’s aside from the format wars that go on as well. The set can be good , but people are kind of spent. Many only have so much money or care anymore. I can say for myself , I’m waiting for bloom burrow and just going to pick up fetch lands as the costs drop down that’s about all I’m fired up for personally.

[@freestylestl470]

Meh

[@d.a.d.-ohgosh]

I have to hard disagree about Flare of Malice being the worst of the Flare cycle. You give up a real creature and not a token. That's a real cost for being free when compared to other free spells. Black cares about sacrifice so much that it can easily find itself in a deck that doesn't actively care about it. A 3 for 1 for 4 mana is already not bad. The fact that you're super likely to get rid of the best things on board is fantastic, and doing that for free by sacrificing a creature which likely benefits you is outstanding. The full cycle is great but there's no way it's the worst.

[@Byteside546]

Absolutely, I've looked through my 8 decks and green is the least useful for me being basics only, and green usually needs their nontokens alive most.

[@SSolemn]

I am not into Commander Horizons 3..... so not buying anything except the singles that I want for the decks I already have, and only if they are not too expensive. Our group is going into PreModern and Pauper because we are sick of the power and complexity creep, and only 2 of the 12 of our group are buying MH3

[@jeremiahchamberlain4179]

The whole point of the modern horizon 3 commander decks is to give commander players decks that feel like a modern deck.

[@aaronlorick3627]

Commander is ruining design.

[@veganeconomist7453]

Tried watching. Couldn't make it past the ads. I'm out.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

thanks for trying, we gotta pay the bills and we keep it as tight as we can. cheers

[@veganeconomist7453]

@@JakeandJoelareMagic anytime! at least you got the click or view or whatever the algorithm wants

[@路過民代]

So what? They even made four EDH decks with collector's edition. Of course, this should be "Fanservice" Horizons. They want money? So be it!