Where do Red Dots Come From?

[@Hoplopfheil]

Q: What are the three most controversial words in the English language? A: "Assembled in USA"

[@CertifiedBullpupHater]

The four most controversial “what would stoner do”

[@joshmajor8662]

Two world wars?? Haha 😂

[@chltmdwp]

@user-eo4ne8cf3z hmnm that's as if Toyota sells the most products, it means it's better than any high-end german cars due to how much cheaper it is🤔

[@LMarshall73]

@@chltmdwp Toyotas are known to last forever. Name one German auto manufacturer with the same reputation.

[@psp1921tsmg]

@@LMarshall73 Germans did have that rep with the original vw bug.

[@BusyBadger]

At first I thought Hop was going to have "The Talk" with us.

[@Matt-xc6sp]

When a Sig and a Holosun love each other very, very much…

[@Vuntermonkey]

I thought the talk was "Holosun is very pretty and seems stable, but look at it's family. Do you really want your kids' grandfather to be the CCP?"

[@Pyreleaf]

@@Vuntermonkey I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[@BringerOfD]

Will you see, when a fighter plane and an infantry rifle love eachother veeeery much...

[@Prodigysportsman]

This might be too savage of a comment but….maybe WE should have “The Talk” with Hop

[@ghostpunkkilla]

'Hop is a jackass". Yeah, but he is OUR jackass.

[@isaac6077]

In a fun way

[@ghostpunkkilla]

@@roaringsteelmedia Family rates gotta be decent though.

[@swing-di4tt]

"he doesn't know any good lawyers. He only knows James. " THAT needs to be on a T-shirt!!! LMFAO!!!

[@jarink1]

@@swing-di4tt James is the "lawyer we have at home"

[@irradiatedrunner]

"Tangentially Involved, Livelihood Not Threatened" would be a great book title.

[@Hoplopfheil]

If I ever write an autobiography I'll cut you in on the proceeds.

[@irradiatedrunner]

I'd just be good with one of those "in memoriams" in the forward, as long as it alludes to me having died of cancer from an LP-1. California prop 65 tried to warn us.

[@WiffleballofDoom]

L&S: Hop is a jackass Chad-Hop-feil: I am a jackass, and your red dot is mediocre

[@kevintan3705]

Optic durability is such a weird topic. The general engineering idea is to make it work with a margin of safety, but by focusing on *durability*, you quickly reach the point of diminishing returns. In other words, obsession with protection makes it needlessly heavy and costly. I know it sounds snobby, but it’s more important to “shape up” than to “bulk up”. By that, I mean that it’s better to train to be more careful and clean under stress than to buy the nuclear option. Ultimately, optics are just tools. If the user is a machine that turns optics into scrap metal, maybe change should start at the user, not the optic.

[@SinginShooter]

Mike, formerly of Swampfox Optics, basically explained that their optics were heavy because a lot of their market were guys who test optics by beating it against a tree. Just look at the 1x Blade - 13oz! Brick shithouse! I forget what bigger channel tested the Arrowhead LPVO by giving it to a Wookie who threw the rifle over dunes and shot it with birdshot.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Optic durability is that way because at one point optics were not considered rugged enough for combat use. And then "combat approved" optics and laser aiming modules got killed by the SCAR 17 due to a quirk in recoil impulse and harmonics, which lead to products being redesigned to handle this unforseen situation. While there's a point of diminishing returns you always have the issue of unknowns. Like Sig making a pistol that was drop safe because it passed a drop safety test. It just happened that the pistol would go off if dropped at a specific angle, but that wasn't part of the safety test. Point being, you shouldn't be obsessed with durability but if you design something for the "shape up" with zero concern for bulk, something really stupid is going to kill it and you'll have to redesign the thing.

[@taylormartin4346]

I love this. Well said

[@jason200912]

Durability only makes sense if you believe you will be climbing mountains with your rifle banging around or take fire from artillery shells

[@innawoodsman]

Very true. Of course, there's stupidly fragile optics like the OKP-7 (would love to see Hop review it for shits and giggles), but you're definitely right.

[@Chonkasaurus]

I always like Hops take on products. He tends to be brutally honest so there usually aren't any surprises if I buy something he's reviewed.

[@TheStig505]

He's the only reviewer I trust....and I work at Steiner.

[@isaakjunkeer785]

@@TheStig505He’s the only reviewer I trust and I work at Leupold…as a night custodian.

[@Chonkasaurus]

​@TheStig505 Exactly I don't get fed a lot of hype just honesty. Steiner sounds like it would be a fun job! I've been applying to work at various optics companies where I live, but no luck so far. Someday!

[@brianfischer5609]

I love hop, and think he is a great unbiased reviewer. However, I do not share his opinion with b5 stocks. Although I don't have much experience with anything else.

[@ronaldwhitman1377]

​@@brianfischer5609honestly though I think that just falls into the realm of opinion. It's not like the B5 is bad, but hop just doesn't like em and that's okay.

[@BrassFacts]

I feel like both L&S and InrangeTV simply were operating out of ignorance here. Astroturfing, and then later the product turning out to be very mid or even complete trash occurs more often than not. Pointing out that the LP-1 had the hallmarks of a stereotypical astroturfing campaign is not a hot take. It literally did. There we no negative reviews at all and you couldn't buy it (without a long wait). Quite literally the definition of a red flag. Now not every market blitz means the product is trash, it just means consumers should operate under caution until the product is purchasable by the market as a whole (and sufficient time has passed). I understand L&S perhaps not understanding this distinction, and thus taking Hops statement as a direct attack. But I'm a bit flabbergasted that InrangeTV reacted(Sinistral) in such a emotional manner to such a basic comment. It makes me seriously question objectivity where I didn't before.

[@JohanssenJr]

You're flabbergasted that the guy that uses social media for shock value reacted emotionally? The dude running that channel is a literal man-child that thrives in drama, at this point it is about the only thing keeping him relevant.

[@TheBlahblahblahhh]

Lately they just seem to have really developed a persecution complex. Maybe rightly so? IDK. Either way it's a bad habit to fall into.

[@Matt-xc6sp]

Ive suspected that Karl bonked is head pretty bad while operating under digital nods ever since he started recommending digital nods

[@BrassFacts]

also as an aside, for those that say "but it wasn't a bribe' How do you think bribes are done in countries where bribes are the norm? It's almost never explicitly a bribe so you have deniability if the bribe is rejected. So even if payment that was offered MID REVIEW was not intended as a bribe, it sure does look like a textbook bribe.

[@LeCafeRacer]

Did you miss the entire KiwiFarms inRange drama? A bunch of queens.

[@Tarburz]

People that complain about industry drama are lying in my opinion. At the very least they enjoy complaining about industry drama at every turn

[@Hoplopfheil]

I complain about tarburz comments, what does that say about me?!

[@Tarburz]

@@Hoplopfheil :MabsSlurp:

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

So what you're saying is I should do red dot ballistics tests?

[@Hoplopfheil]

Drop a helmet on an EOTech to see if it (the helmet) survives.

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

@@Hoplopfheil New testing requirements unlocked

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

Hi oxide!

[@RJ-ye4jr]

​@@Oxide_does_his_best WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GONDOLA PFP???

[@yaleebski]

lead and steel turned the comments off in their response video… right after Hop drops his video. mind you, lead and steel had their video up for 9 days with comments till today lol

[@FocusTripp]

What a pleasant video, I hope nothing crazy is going on in the comments.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I can't imagine why there would be!

[@humorlessclown]

😂😂😂

[@NA-sb7xz]

You're dealing with inrangetv and inrangetv Jr (Russell) it's a guarantee you cannot pin them down on what they say and will twist words and comments to fit their narratives. Satanists are in their very nature snakes.

[@urbanbasementoperator]

Man. Hop pulled it off. I watched the whole twelve and a half minute video on a subject I don't care about, surrounding events happening to people I mostly don't like, and brands I hadn't heard of. The only part I found interesting was the 30k foot view commentary on optical glass and PCBs, but damn. Here we are.

[@jon5255]

same here man. He cant keep getting away with this

[@Visual217]

The real hypocritical part was that the L&S CEO is hyper defensive of the LP-1 having so much "R&D time" while also admitting in the same breath that they "borrowed" a lot of LCO internals. Essentially, they spent a couple of years ripping off the LCO and editing their homework just enough to claim the R&D was a painstakingly long & expensive journey in originality.

[@HawaiiFoodAndFun]

I think the R&D is questionable. They said they "engineered" it but like you said they copied the LCO, but then they bounced ideas back and forth w Hong Kong for a year and a half. So when it was finally produced they didn't own the earlier designs. Which opened it up to Turkey to produce an earlier version (hence the CR2 battery) I bought one of the very first LP1s and was also one of the first to do a video review. It wasn't a negative video but I didn't gush over it so it mostly went ignored. They thanked other video creators but guess mine wasnt up to par. I also didn't compare it to the Aimpoint/Eotech, which was the style at the time. I was also about to buy their pistol sight and asked them a question, and they never got back to me (even though I bought the LP1 previously) I had to search around reddit until I found the answer. Reddit gonn reddit. It's a hive of scum and villainy.

[@JohnSoh]

@@HawaiiFoodAndFun Maybe, but if you make something in China, you can't expect to "own" your designs and keep them secret since IP is basically unheard of

[@asherdie]

@@HawaiiFoodAndFun cool story bro, great imagination.

[@TheJohn_Highway]

Sounds like the average Turkish arms industry "R&D" then. Nearly everything they make is a cheap copy of a foreign system.

[@silencedogood9835]

​@@JohnSoh if you like 🇺🇦, you should love 🇨🇳

[@justcallmejoeable]

red dots are stored in the ballz

[@vonleiningen]

Also pee

[@myusername3689]

​@@vonleiningen Which means sperm is stored in the bladder

[@bigpapi6688]

@@vonleiningenpee in the one that hangs higher, red dots in the one that hangs lower

[@RandyTheB_]

Love the industry trend of man children using social media to lash out about criticism. Also, targeting redditors exclusively for your marketing is hilarious, the best high control group. Serial bag holders.

[@Zoraxon]

Man if y'all thought that red dot lore/drama was weird, look at armor. Dudes will try to diss buffman range's years of consistent testing with full transparency because they got paid to test a plate and got a better result off camera (trust me bro it works).

[@chrishershey450]

"muh steel plates can stop better! Trust me bro the shrapnel isn't that bad"

[@CantoniaCustoms]

@@chrishershey450 i actually brought some steel plates of aliexpress that managed to stop 7.62x39 from a 11 in but not 5.56x45 from 16 inches it was like 3mm thick iirc. Only really good for concealment because good luck finding thinner ceramics. But i wouldnt use that in a dedicated rig.

[@dtroy15]

Buffman is the GOAT. Not sure how he isn't more popular.

[@jon5255]

the fact that some people out there still think steel is an option is crazy

[@michaelturk7237]

Seeing RMA buyers mess their britches all over Reddit and Arfcom because their bargain-bin armor was "tested wrong" and subsequently dropped from NIJ certification has been such a soul-reviving experience. Watching them point to Hesco, like they're anywhere near as shady as RMA, because they also lost cert that one time, gives me the big belly chuckles. If nothing else is going right in my day, I can always assure myself it could always be worse, observing these fuckers cope and seethe. "NIJ cert isn't even a good metric! Those plates are perfectly fine, it doesn't matter that they were sent in altered from the final production design to pass the test I now suddenly hate! You probably don't even train in it (not that you'll ever need it)!" Cry into your $75 Condor carrier you fuggin' clowns, enjoy getting pen'd.

[@VintageWarfare]

Thank you for actually talking about the fact that optics manufacturers and company’s aren’t able to make all parts in house and that some companies have products both made in China and in the US. Most people are so black and white about where and how something is made when it comes to that specifically.

[@Blitzkrieg_Wolf]

I worked behind the gunbar at a certain "Academic" sporting goods store, had this guy come in with his grandson to buy a scope for his .22LR. He found a decently priced Vortex 1-6x30mm scope and said he'd take it... only to come back 10 minutes later and demand an exchange because it said "Made in China" on the box, claiming "I'm not gonna fund our Enemy". He opted for a Burris scope... which also had "Made in China" on the box, but in smaller font. Point of the story: The Chinese make everything, don't get stingey with your gear, buy what works and use it well.

[@MikeA817]

@@Blitzkrieg_Wolf hahaha fucking boomers. but I would add on "buy what works FOR YOU". I think all of us are fans of Hop being super real about use case for guns and gear. if you got DoD money, get that whole NV setup worth the price of a used Corolla. If you make $25/hr, maybe a Sabre-line PSA with a Primary Arms SLX is gonna get you through societal collapse (or just not made fun of too much on reddit).

[@Blitzkrieg_Wolf]

@@MikeA817 Ironically I own a PSA I parted together over a period of years from 2018 to 2020. Yeah, the most expensive isn't always the best option for everyone... if you can afford a decent piece that works for you, get it and use it well.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

​@@Blitzkrieg_Wolfbut they don't "make everything". They make alot of shit sure.

[@Blitzkrieg_Wolf]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 What they don't make is Military Contracts that sellout a majority of product over the commercial market *cough* Heckler & Lock, Sig Sauer, Trijacon *cough*

[@halekang1805]

lmao i had to pause to comment how much i appreciate your humor. the writing kills.

[@mattpanz609]

and the aoe2 and starcraft references!

[@memph1ston]

One of the best lessons I learned, from a manufacturing standpoint, is to "say as little as possible". What you type or write is forever and people have long memories.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

hear, hear.

[@steven.2602]

this is just basic PR practice for anyone doing a business not to be rude or anything, just more surprised that, you know, L&S didn't get the memo.

[@AR15andGOD]

It's actually the other way around. Full transparency, total knowledge sharing, and honesty, are the only ways to maintain a positive public image.

[@UnknownUser-fe5zu]

In the wild red dots tend to hang out on a single Picatinny rail, you should be able to see them at ranges in your local area. I hear they are all over the US now and almost have become an invasive species. They are mostly black but some have a little green or red in them. Very interesting watching them in their natural habitat.

[@BringerOfD]

Once a red dot has found its rail it will typically stay for the rest of its life. Only rarely does one migrate, only doing so when it's home falls into disrepair and is no longer suitable. This invasive species introduced from Sweden has quickly taken root across the Continental United States, stealing precious habitat from indigenous species of optics.

[@AR15andGOD]

Optics only attach to one rail... I've never seen a red dot that attaches to two rails at the same time; how would it even reach? Would be a pretty bulky thing. Yes I know the comment is a joke.

[@BandAid350z]

@@AR15andGOD by “bridging the gap.” Sitting on the upper receiver and bridging over to the hand guard rail. It’s a no-no, but that is how an optic could be mounted to two rails. Or two sections of picitiny on a bolt action I guess would count as well, although this setup doesn’t comprise zero like the previously mentioned setup.

[@ButtersDaBaller]

doesnt compromise* zero - and yes. idc about grammar just clarifying for those reading@@BandAid350z also railed dust covers and rails that lock into other mounting points (stock, rear sight block, maybe even MLOK) are pretty much worthless. wont hold a zero no matter how hard you try. trust me, i was an AK guy without a siderail, i tried..

[@Frank451Martin]

How about the rare holographic sights that are uncommon, they're stronger yet have a shorter life expectancy and hide from the red dot herd to strike against them?

[@BlueLoneWolf54]

Sidebar, and a dumb, probably unnecessary and almost definitely rhetorical question: Are we to the point yet where press embargoes are almost more harmful than beneficial in the gun-o-sphere because of how negatively an audible number of people react to what is perceived as reviewer favoritism?

[@Hoplopfheil]

The response among the enthusiast community is almost universally negative now, but we're just the lunatic fringe and I bet it still drives sales.

[@BlueLoneWolf54]

@@Hoplopfheil I mean doing what little media stuff I did for a couple years I hated all of it, so maybe I'm just biased against how that sort of environment runs itself.

[@Mr2greys]

In the guitar world one youtuber (KDH) actually thinks it has a negative aspect as everyone blows their load with their video on the lapse of the embargo. So you have 2-3 weeks of saturation and then everyone forgets about it and that maybe if there was no embargo people would get around to it when they did prolonging it showing up in peoples' newsfeed.

[@moparbryan]

Hey Hop your point is well taken as to sourcing but surprisingly there are many sources in the USA of PCB’s. California, Oregon, Arizona, and Georgia all have contract manufacturers for good quality PCB’s the glass is definitely more of an issue fwiw

[@AndyCigars]

Appreciate the update, Hop. Your reviews and content are by far my favorite on youtube. Keep on keeping on, your followers have your back, man.

[@cerrealkiller1]

Love seeing InRange in the comment section here responding to everyone that complains about him. Everyone actually just lives rent free in his head.

[@sheldoniusRex]

I can't see him. I wonder if the comments are being suppressed by KZbin. I sincerely hope no one is flagging them.

[@FurnishedIgloo]

literally haven't seen a single comment but ok

[@TacticalBaguette]

under Brass Fact's comment he's goin off

[@sheldoniusRex]

@@FurnishedIgloo I finally found them. It's all replies. He went digging, hard, for anti-decepticon commentary to kvetch about. Some troll delivered. As usual, all serious objections to his actions were ignored and everything became about who he and/or his friends bump uglies with.

[@jurpo6]

@@FurnishedIgloofind brassfacts comment chain. Karl is in there demanding everyone declare themselves ally to the lgbtq+ cause else they are considered enemies. 😂😂😂

[@gamez4420]

The hype for the LP1 was absolutely artifical. I got one myself on the ~$250 preorder as I wanted to shift off the Vortex dot I was using, and at the time I was looking at $400 price range, so I decided id get one and if I didn't like it, I could still afford a Romeo5 and figure out what to do with the LP1. Wasnt a bad dot, and the few times i dealt with the company about some supply chain issues they had they were always transparent and beyond respectful to me which at the time was what made me wanna buy from them more in the future. The random little gifts they sent out with the products for the like extra 2 week wait. Kinda sad to see them get themselves involved in drama over someone not liking their optic, especially when their optic really isnt bad at all. A little overpriced due to the lower battery life conpared to some dots, the (current) lacl of NV settings, and the lack of a proper shake awake (they have that AuraWake thing now on the Gen2s) They seem like theyre gonna be another Springfield in how theyre gonna use vague advertising aimed towards the tacticool instagram operators instead of boomers like how springfield does

[@ratagris21]

The company needs to take the information, criticized product, and other data to make it better.

[@gamez4420]

@@ratagris21 Couldn't agree more. Based on the current features of the Gen 2s (from what I've read, they aren't too much better than the Gen 1s, just more features) the ~500 dollar price tag it was roughly at last I checked might be a suitable price if they send you extra crumple hoods, and either improve the NV performance from 1 setting that's (in theory) usable or declare its not an NV optic and go full into adding more daylight settings. It sits at a weird inbetween where it has plenty of daylight settings if it was to be an optic designed with NV in mind, but it doesn't seem like it has the brightness settings from my guesstimations, so the lack of an extra 2 or 3 daylight settings in the middle are kinda missed

[@jonah8133]

@@gamez4420 They didn't get involved in the drama because the guy had negative things to say about the optic. The main reason they got involved was because Focus claimed they tried to bribe him and basically said that means they've bribed other people. THat's where the C&D came from. Hop doesn't care to mention that cause it doesn't fit his narrative of "they are going after a gun tuber for a bad review". Not true at all.

[@gamez4420]

@@jonah8133 That does change things massively actually. That's a huge claim to aim at any kind of business, hopefully there's some more developments on whether it's true or not, because I'd have for another company that could have a positive market impact to end up being a bust. Especially cuz I was one of the people that bought from them 😅

[@sluttybutt]

Did you watch all of the related content? It's a little deeper than focustripp not liking the optic. His presentation of the testing and communication was dishonest, that's really hard to dispute. It's just as hard to swallow his feigned indignation over "bribery" when he runs a site and channel that transparently promotes certain products in exchange for money. The outrage seemed much more artificial than the hype around the optic, and stinks of industry hit job. No detractions of the LP-1 - it having commonality with or being almost identical to other optics (SIG & holosun), it using parts sourced overseas (every single optic), or building relationships with reviewers or contractors (SIG) - is exclusive to L&S. And the idea of industry "friendships" without money changing hands coloring or informing a review is a really big swing from a TFB TV contributor, arguably the biggest beneficiaries of this treatment in the community. One thing has always been true of the free market - it's far more cost effective to crush or buy out a competitor than it is to invest in the requisite R&D to innovate or engineer something that provides an advancement. There hasn't been innovation from any of them in a long time, and it has a lot to do with the insane markups they're able to demand due to their DoD pricing.

[@Mrgunsngear]

🔴

[@PrayingPanda]

I want more of this! This is why i love Hop's channel. Even with this type of "industry drama" he brings his dry witty humor, logic, and valid points.

[@SamSam-ih6nt]

Not to mention he's got JR to bounce ideas off of 100% quality

[@alexanderpolski5835]

Why do you talk like a redditor writing a middle school essay

[@AndrewDasilvaPLT]

Is he the bizarro Ben Shapiro?

[@PolymerLad]

It's never pleasant seeing how the sausage is made, but you can learn a lot through the experience.

[@Hoplopfheil]

I love hot dogs. They have a cool shape. And protein.

[@NA-sb7xz]

​@@Hoplopfheilthat doesn't sound like something a lesbian would say

[@finnl6887]

​@@Hoplopfheilyou ever had a chicago style hot dog with the proper Vienna sausage?

[@jzargo7443]

Only time ive dealt with Lead and Steel, bought a stock, didnt fit all the way in the collapsed position, and had a big "made in usa" molded into the side of it. Go to look at returning it and they have a 20% restocking fee, that plus the shipping made it not even worth returning. Pretty dissatisfied

[@jurpo6]

The promethian is the most durable red dot in the Shenzhen catalog!

[@JackManiacky]

😂

[@Dukenukem777]

Hop, I would love to see you and Brass Facts create a channel called: “Rate My Build” where people submit and you guys pick three and go tip->butt

[@ogjoec]

Is Brass worth watching? His inability to pronounce words in his script made me think he’s just using AI

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

@@ogjoec He 100% is

[@user-ij9sh1tf9d]

"Surprisingly afforadable German optics" yeah that was by far the single biggest red flag mentioned in this video lol

[@johnbaker4246]

As a fellow AoE2 enjoyer Hop is now my favorite guntuber.

[@Panzermeister36]

Wooolooloo

[@borkwoof696]

Now I wonder what Hop‘s favorite civ is

[@johnbaker4246]

@@Panzermeister36 WHAT!?!? Panzermeister plays AoE2 and follows Hop? This is not the youtuber crossover I expected (but very much appreciate). Now we just need Spirit of the Law to chime in.

[@jackm8864]

I left a slightly critical review on a Primary Arms 1x Micro Prism and sure enough my review didn’t post. Instead I got emailed and phone calls reminding me of their warranty. I didn’t take much issue with the product itself but I was being critical of QC since my etched reticle was deformed and they stomped out my review. Makes me rethink buying these “budget” optics sometimes

[@sdfasdfadfasdfadfasd]

Which is why HKparts pains me as an HK guy. No one else sells HK parts, but not one of their own brand magazine extensions worked for me. None of those reviews (with pictures showing the problems) are visible on their site. Just magically never appeared after hitting "post review".

[@williamflowers9435]

@@sdfasdfadfasdfadfasda lot of sites have someone that reviews the reviews before they’re posted. Unless I see a few nonsensical and/or borderline vulgar reviews mixed in, I assume they’ve filtered them

[@n.speezly1467]

@@williamflowers9435psa has the best review sections. I think they let everything fly over there

[@qudhnter92]

​@@sdfasdfadfasdfadfasd thought he couldn't sell parts anymore

[@desertdwellintom]

IIRC It was a 510c that was shot with a shotgun by Alabama Arsenal not an Eotech, but maybe both.

[@jonathansmith7306]

Back in the age of books, there was a book written by a Delta operator. I think it was called "Green Eyes, Black Rifles." Anyways there's a picture of an Eotech with a bullet hole through both glass panels that still worked

[@Dukenukem777]

Kyle Lamb’s book. It’s a classic.

[@desertdwellintom]

@@jonathansmith7306 Thats great, but that not being shot wth a shotgun which is what I was commenting on.

[@Sam-et3bv]

This is why Hop is my favorite Guntuber.

[@MarkAndrewEdwards]

This feels like it should be two separate videos. The LP-1 controversy should be one, and then maybe we can get one that is actually just about where red dots come from.

[@jamisonkrusac1624]

Hop needs to tour the Sig electro optics factory.

[@FiveSlow]

Been in the Automotive Aftermarket for almost 20 years, the Firearms Industry and the Automotive aftermarket have SO MANY Parallels. The Drama is so much better here tho, and much more entertaining. Also, 100% "Assembled in the US" is a common phrase in the AA also. I like your reviews and FocusTripps reviews. I dont know anything about Lead and Steel other than the video he made. I thought he could have handled it better. But it is what it is.

[@docternoblex]

I made a comment on the construction of the optic on the L&S official channel(I said that it was a stripped down Romeo 8 with shittier material), they responded with a “your mom” insult Love it when children are the CEO of companies/sarcasm

[@ashleycalhoun1824]

Ive been suspicious of lead and steel ever since they sent me an Aero upper with a chinesium carry handle and a BCG with an unstaked key.

[@CantoniaCustoms]

QC so bad you dishonor your chinese ancestors.

[@HawaiiFoodAndFun]

​@@CantoniaCustomsDishonor on you! Dishonor on your cow!

[@seraph045]

Chinesium?! In *my* value-priced SIG optic? It’s more likely than you think!

[@CantoniaCustoms]

Ghee whiz, we advertise our red dot being made in Hong Kong because "muh protests then act shocked when theres chinese innards GUESS WHAT, HONG KONG HAS BEEN A PART OF CHINA SINCE 1997 LOL

[@ForOrAgainstUs]

There's a reason "drama" is a genre across storytelling media. It's entertaining.

[@theBullStarr]

Your reviews are something akin to investigative journalism with gloriously dry humor. Keep it up 👍 Your dedication and honesty will carry you through steadily as others rise and fall.

[@PurpleIsALetter]

The more Russell Phagan shows up on inrange, the less I want to watch them. Weird how that happens

[@papaswanson]

When a mother red dot loves a father red dot...

[@MagicPrepper]

I never face palmed so hard before I heard them reference you. Regardless of the validity of any of the claims from both sides, this is bad for business. It reminds me of a chef telling a table that their food is good even if they don't like it.

[@Hillykarma]

Yep. I'll never do business with them because of the image they presented in this situation. I don't think a company has to take all criticism sitting down, especially if they believe it to be unfair, but that was just poor form

[@M60E3MG]

Criticism from Russel Fagan? Isn’t he the Sinistral Rifleman guy? The one with all the charisma of a can of Spam?

[@DogOnAPhone]

Cinnabon Rifleman

[@mtnbound2764]

well this confirms i made the right choisce with a Holosun. they're all chinese, pay chinese prices.

[@CantoniaCustoms]

I purchase laserspeed specifically because they make the current PLA issue optic.

[@Bertintremors]

I tend to just stick with track records as my picks for reddots. Eotech, aimpoint, sig (a welcome surprise), are just work horses

[@PrimoBeef]

Yup I don't like gambling.

[@JoJoSandman]

I pre ordered the LP-1 for $275. Motivation for that purchase was to support PSR (Print Shoot Repeat), and I needed a durable red dot for my AK. They contacted me after SHOP informed me they were about to ship it out asking if I could delay another month for a new feature, wasn't informed what it was but turned out it was their version of shake awake. Overall I still appreciate this optic, I don't plan on doing night vision shooting with my AK. I am surprised by the level of immaturity going off by the head of the company. At the end of the day the products serves the purpose of what I got it for and they already have my money. I think it's still decent for what it executes and hope the company drops the cease and desist and apologizes for their inability to handle criticism cause it's not a good look and would hold me back from any other purchases.

[@HawaiiFoodAndFun]

I gave them a good chance. Threw money at them and was one of the first to make an LP1 video. I thought it was like the Sig 8T or the Holosun 512 and called it that. It didn't fit their eotech criteria so they left mine alone and praised the videos where they sent product too. Pre-ordered their pistol sight and after I sent money they changed the design 2 more times and pushed back the release 6 months. Had to work to get my money back. Made a video about that too....

[@JoJoSandman]

@HawaiiFoodAndFun I just wish they'd be more mature about this situation, it's embarrassing to be a customer due to it

[@artofkraneoxiii5335]

The only affordable German optic I ever bought was the Steiner p4xi….

[@lucasblanchard47]

Always appreciate you stirring the pot by simply calling people and companies out on their BS. Much love from Texas!

[@JeffNeelzebub]

If the LP1 was a superior product, than Karl and Russel would put it on their rifles. They never do, which lets you know how they really feel about it.

[@eargesplitten9876]

Russell has them on at least a couple rifles though? I've seen video of him running them.

[@JeffNeelzebub]

@@eargesplitten9876 I think only for a review but I’ve never really seen him use them on his competition setups.

[@eargesplitten9876]

@@JeffNeelzebub I didn't see a review from them yet, maybe I missed it. I did see some footage of Russell using what looked like one on (I think) both a 9mm upper and a 5.56 upper in a competition. I've also seen a still photo of him with a LP-1 on a WWSD but I don't know if that's from the review. Personally I feel like a chunky dot like the LP-1 isn't great for something as lightweight as a WWSD but Russell has been shooting competitively since I was playing Goldeneye at sleepovers so his opinion is probably worth more than mine.

[@leonardhuff3169]

When a front sight and a rear sight really love each other...

[@Esch_atton]

Well when a government and a technology industry love each other very much....

[@FEDsShotMOM]

I really like how this is a industry drama video but i still get a lesson about having insight into marketing and manufacturing reality and expectations

[@Will-W]

My takeaway from this video: I need to look closer at the Romeo8T because I was about to "pull the trigger" on an EXPS3-0

[@1776SolidSnake]

I like mine alot

[@Resident-GunGuy]

As a German I can confirm that made in Germany and affordable don't mix.

[@joemo1033]

These Krauts...with their expensive manufacturing costs...

[@TheCrusher72]

You don't have to be a German to say that...

[@notaboutit3565]

My favorite German overinvention is the water-cooled alternator 😂

[@imperfectlump6070]

​@@notaboutit3565never heard of that one! I am older and my dad was a mechanic.

[@shockwave6213]

The Non-Chinese circuit boards sourced for DOD contracted companies are most likely gonna be from Taiwan if I had to speculate.

[@KirkFickert]

We have a wafer plant nearby now owned by TMSC so probably the case…

[@THExJONNYG]

Bless you Hop and everything you do

[@moorecav213]

Just another reason im glad Ian distanced himself from inrange

[@Long_Tall_Sally]

I love coming to these dramas all late and picking up the pieces and figuring it out..

[@DesertTactical]

Agreed. I watched all videos, and now this one. Although I will remain very neutral. I did comment on L&S that calling people names in retaliation is not a good move. Quite childish. Specially from a CEO. His video was very bold and compelling… until he went that route. Good video, Hop!

[@Mobius762x51]

always fun to catch up on the industry drama. i needed a good cup of tea today 🤣🤣🤣

[@zzmann8460]

Karl Kasarda is also Gay

[@ericb.4358]

Give 'm hell Hop! BTW, Vortex does actually make their own glass for their top rifle scope and the US Army's 1 - 8 x 24 scope the XM157 which has a ballistic firing control sitting on top. So THERE!

[@salfox1820]

Well done Hop. Are you Paul Harrell’s kid? You two are the driest creators and I am a fan.

[@W54895]

I always appreciate your objectivity, Hop.

[@RenoMay]

The ceo retweeted many democrat talking heads in response to many 2020 issues lol. Do with that as you will

[@lukesites2457]

How are you still not verified😂

[@rrrtruong]

Dude's ego is so fragile, he doesn't have a straight story on those re-tweets of his. One comment he said that he was being targeted by Israeli/Anti-Palestinian groups, so those tweets were obvious "Photoshop" jobs. Another comment he said something along the lines of "oh wow bro those tweets were so old, this is unfair, why don't you look at my pro-2A retweets from a couple weeks ago?!". I've never seen such a drama queen CEO before.

[@TruckingShooter]

As if I needed another reason to dislike that company 😆 but that's OK that election was totally legit and no issues what so ever ....

[@kemalettinsrt]

Also, the CEO is not Turkish he is Palestinian, he was treasurer of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and an activist with the Muslim Students Association (MSA) at Ohio State University (OSU). Antisemite with other words..Imagine being a Jewish and supporting this company :)

[@PyroEnderSlayer]

@@kemalettinsrtmight have t support this company now, thanks for the info

[@seanhudson7549]

Hop...thanks for always keeping it real. Brilliant assessment. Cheers,

[@CantoniaCustoms]

When you hear "made by a Hong Kong based company", the bing chilling bells should be going off because Hong Kong based just means its a mainland company that wanted less taxes lol.

[@alexisdetocqueville9964]

"bing chilling bells" LOL

[@pj4433]

Wow, how is that guy a CEO. Thanks for highlighting focustrip channel. He gained another subscriber.

[@stevef3274]

Getting called out by the sidekick of a self-righteous edgelord? Hilarious.

[@NPS69]

Karl would never shill a company that lies about their product, never ever.

[@InrangeTv]

InRange hasn't even made a review for this product, what are you talking about? I merely stated my experience with L&S and that it wasn't aligned with what TrippFocus said he experienced. That's just providing insight, nor shilling, nor lying, and I'm *entirely* crowd funded with no sponsors or advertisers.

[@howiefeltersnatch240]

You're thinking of Karl's wife's boyfriend. He is an inrange affiliate, sure. But it wasnt karl.

[@maxkuker1878]

When a daddy red dot and a mommy red dot love eachother very much….

[@joemo1033]

It could also be 2 daddys...or 2 mommys...or a goat and a daddy...or a cat and a mommy... Saying it has to be "mommy and daddy" is racist.

[@michaelblacktree]

I live on the outer fringes of the gun-o-sphere. So I've never heard of Lead & Steel. Also, apparently Karl and Ian broke up? They had such a nice bromance going...

[@lukesites2457]

Hey I've watched a few of your e46 videos for ideas with mine lol. Small world😂

[@michaelblacktree]

@@lukesites2457 - That's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm more into cars than guns. But guns are cool too.

[@x0r187]

Great vid. One of the parts reminded me of Sig's XM147 with its "American glass". I'm not aware of American glass for scopes so should be interesting.

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Oh snap! I've been waiting for this on. And as always, thanks for the share!!

[@rowdystam]

Tried to like twice because I'm old. Best gun geek ever

[@articcenturion8387]

I've got to say, sending C&D to critical reviewers is a big turn off for me.

[@ozarkman291]

​@@printingwithpeek4897no! Leave the corporation alone!

[@MrGible]

​@@printingwithpeek4897what a strange analogy.

[@BrassFacts]

​@@printingwithpeek4897 Consider that most bribes aren't explicit. You need plausible deniability when your bribe gets denied. Ever go to a country where bribes are the norm? That's how it goes. L&S offered payment, during a review. Even if they didn't intend it as a bribe, it still is. This is apparent enough that when I talked to L&S they admitted, yeah, in retrospect, it was a dumb idea.

[@danielmacdonald8358]

​@@BrassFactsI was thinking the exact same thing... it was without a doubt meant to sway his opinion on the optic

[@jonathansmith7306]

​@@printingwithpeek4897 If X tries to kill Y, and Y gets away, X still tried to kill Y It seems like whomever tried to bribe whatever, even though whatever said "no, thanks"

[@NexusReload]

Man I can see why Ian has distanced himself from in range. Seems like Karl likes to shove his foot in his mouth as many times as possible

[@sheldoniusRex]

That and the unironic communism.

[@fattigla]

This video has left me with one question: Can we see a side by side picture comparison of both Hop and Kevin Bacon wearing sunglasses?

[@a.c.m.4548]

Thank you for being the driest and having the most quiet hate of anyone on guntube. I wish you were my uncle but that would be difficult considering I'm older than you.

[@Saltpork305]

The comments and guntube drama have been borderline idiotic. Outside of the company getting pissy at FocusTripp, who by all standards seems straightforward in his reviews and content, I don't get why this even happened.

[@annoneemoose]

Anything defended by inrange should be disregarded, if only because of their affiliation with Karl.

[@Flaky1916]

Ol' karl the satan-worshipping cuckold and his butt buddy Sinestral RifleFat. Because everyone knows that Stoner would build a rifle for LGBTQIAP+ people to use at 3-gun competitions if he made the AR today.

[@FunkyPertwee]

I think shotgun birdshot tests for durability are generally meant to simulate incoming artillery shrapnel.

[@ravensoath]

When a LPVO loves a Magnifier very much a little red dot is born

[@shockwave6213]

The best durability test for an optic I can think of is to put it on top of a full auto SCAR H and burn through 1,000 rounds in one go. SCAR 17 without full auto works too if your finger can handle it.

[@CantoniaCustoms]

Or a semi auto 12 gauge firing magnum loads.

[@McThirdDegree]

How can you say your content is dry and then make me laugh in my car with the same breath lmao

[@parunbelhomme]

The adult we needed in the room 😂. Nicely handled. Thanks Hop

[@Михаил-ц8ь5в]

You briefly mentioned things along the line of Berry compliance, with Sigs optics being mostly made in mostly democratic countries. Not all of their optics need to be, just ones that are being sold to the Army, and even then a lot of components can be exempt from sourcing them from China, especially if they can prove that it wouldn't be feasible to pay to have someone else make a component that's readily available in a country of non ideal origin. I wouldn't be surprised if a company their size had two different designations on products, with one being US made, I've seen it from companies with much smaller reach. The politics behind the system are weird, and it's not infallible.

[@sauceboss3101]

Still waiting for @SinistralRifleman to post physique

[@vgamedude12]

Russel, inrange and lead and steel is literally peak reddit. I need no other reason to dislike them.

[@Barnes-ml9wg]

I 100% agree

[@Spartan73799]

I cant stand inRange.

[@stoptrackingourdata8158]

InRange fell off after they lost Ian helping out. Karl went full tankie. "InRange is wholly crowd funded, with no sponsorship or overlords. Sadly, we're one of few voices of opposition in this space that actually believes in all rights for everyone." Unless of course you don't agree with Karl...then he deletes your comments and bans you.

[@vgamedude12]

@@stoptrackingourdata8158 Ian is no different really he just hides it a little more.

[@thejohnhend]

God I hate the Reddit circle jerks.

[@davetripper]

Yikes! Never heard of any of those guys or this red dot before now. Going to go watch this from the start as you suggest. Thanks for this morning’s entertainment - looking forward to the show!

[@stevennewman4778]

When will people learn to stop preordering? If a company doesn’t have the capital to pay for the first 10,000 unit order from China, I don’t wanna take the risk.

[@cleonday]

great job on breaking it all down brother, it’s clear and concise and straight to the point. Always appreciate the honest content. I do have to say though, I looked into the CEO, and he actually is not of Turkish Heritage, not sure where that started but just thought I’d throw that in

[@wasabijoe323]

Any company that does Holosun's shake to wake Motac system probably gets the electronics from Holosun's parent company. If you buy the parts from China and assemble it in the US, you can call it assembled in USA on the packaging. Sig Romeo 7s is under $100 usually, so I'm perfectly happy with that Holosun optic lol

[@camoandplaid]

Your dry sense of humor is comedy gold.

[@codycarlton3719]

The king has spoken! and by his decree we shall continue to follow this silliness with great enthusiasim to see L&S hoisted by their own petard. 🤣