Where Does Steph Curry Rank All Time? | Bill Simmons's Book of Basketball 2.0 | The Ringer

Stephen Curry is a two-time MVP, three-time NBA champion, and has revolutionized an entire generation of basketball. But where does he rank all time? HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons makes a case for why Curry is a top-25 player in the history of the NBA and details why he has been so important to the history of the league.
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[@jerroljulian]

Bill is at his absolute best when he does stuff like this.

[@zd91]

his genuine love for basketball oozes in stuff like this. it's great

[@MagzUpBr33zy]

What a fantastic monologue

[@pancon5]

Yes, Bill is such a great writer.

[@fangman21]

@@pancon5 As much as I think he's a great writer, I feel like I don't want to hear a monologue as part of a podcast, I'd rather hear them talk and converse... I feel like the monologue should actually be in a book instead

[@pancon5]

@@fangman21 Sometimes it's really funny like the monologue about Reggie Miller where, after concluding, Shea Serrano told him, wow, I've never felt I want to fight a person more or something of that sort haha

[@diatribeeverything]

Yeah, but GSW are and to go on a losing streak. I can't wait until all the excuses come in for Curry. The hand injury 2.0 or something like this will happen. He's only missing Klay and has a pretty good team, but he will vastly underperform. The only unanimous mvp. 🙄

[@fangman21]

@@diatribeeverything Yeah it's kinda funny how flip flopped him and Lebron are in a sense. Lebron gets all the hate from media and fans when he loses or doesn't meet gargantuan expectations, but pretty universally respected by players. Curry on the other hand seems much more beloved and people make all sorts of excuses for him, but players I've read don't respect him as much as they probably should...

[@matheusluque4121]

"He is the League's last old school superstar, he is the League's most new school superstar" That is so good!!!

[@telmolicious]

But how is he the last old school superstar? 😅

[@donnoel2846]

@@telmolicious he's still in golden state

[@telmolicious]

@@donnoel2846 So Giannis ain't a superstar?

[@wc6046]

@@telmolicious 3:42

[@telmolicious]

@@wc6046 U didn’t counter anything, buddy 😂

[@walterbalderrama]

Bill Simmons is such a great writer

[@dangelo2728]

I personally find it difficult to rank players that are currently active, and tend to avoid doing so, but frankly, Steph should be no lower than 20 IMO.

[@dohyunio]

still climbin'

[@dohyunio]

@M S Yeah I agree. I think it's just matter of climbing up the all-time scoring list, 3s list, assist, all star, etc. Bill Simmons takes all of that into consideration, which is why players like Dirk ranks ahead of Curry. He looks at the career, not just a 4-5year span - which is also why guys like T-Mac would never make the pyramid.

[@razkable]

you mean at best 20th like no higher that that or like he can't be 21 or worse?..i have him like 23rd...hes great but he needs some longevity

[@userjim83]

Ranking players full stop is a pretty futile pastime tbh

[@Tony-fq5bn]

@@dohyunio Huh, I would have to rank Curry above Dirk, Bill must be taking point away based on KD being on the team. How'd he rank KD again?

[@y2shuproblem]

Pete Maravich would've been box office today. He would literally light it up all year long.

[@pdfbanana]

One of the few stars from that era with the skillset (and talent if we're being honest; players now are way better) to translate to today. Pistol Pete's magic is timeless

[@contrarium149]

Literally?

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

@@contrarium149 lol lol. My second fav player all time

[@JMS1089]

@@pdfbanana the 50's and 60's were very rugged, but the 70's was a surprisingly good era. Poster dunks, no look passes, turn around jumpers, floaters, crossovers. You'd be surprised. But going with your original statement, Pistol Pete was a head of his time.

[@mj23goat3]

@@pdfbanana "...if we're being honest; players now are way better..." Not even close. They're a bunch of boneheads passing up easy layups to shoot threes instead.

[@petelee]

The totally unnecessary Harden slander by Ryan towards the end of the podcast was like heroin to my veins

[@h.r.a5480]

When did he slander harden

[@samivellamo3995]

Just write the book Bill, please. You can add more what-ifs too. What or who needs re-evaluating in minimum Wade, Dirk, Lebron, Carmelo, Kobe, KD, Harden and Vince Carter for his longevity, maybe an honorable mention. And we need more anecdotes. I'LL BUY IT !!!

[@shamancolin]

Paul Pierce ahead of Vince. Vince is the better athlete. P.P. was by far more clutch and a better winner.

[@Charles-gk7xx]

People don’t seem to realize that Curry has been an All star level player since 2013 yet they give Curry credit only when he first won mvp

[@seunsan360]

Dats a paddlin even you are missing the point, he didn’t change the league. He “changed the game” so the league had to adapt. Maybe the warriors kinda changed the league with how they drafted around him. But make no mistake, it is due to his dominance. Do you know how dominant/effective you have to be to change the way teams operate.?

[@MattOlivieri]

Dats a paddlin the team changed because of him. Domino effect

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

@@seunsan360 And not just some teams in the NBA. Every single. Every single college program at this point. Every single AAU club. I'd argue Draymond changed defense, too, though not nearly as profoundly. He changed basketball forever. Nobody is ever going back to the long-2 era.

[@DoodleHats]

Someone tell Bill Udonis Haslem is still in Miami

[@80teg]

We don't count guys who haven't dribbled a ball since my 3 yr old was born.

[@razkable]

I mean he barley plays so ….hes a 15th man hes a coach at this point

[@razkable]

bill has zeke kawhi west bob cousy pippen curry above d wade..he has no clue about anything...not one person alive has watched d wade and thought those guys were better..stop it bill .im sorry..they weren't....

[@mruk14]

Asmosis Jones lot of people got west and curry over wade 🤷‍♂️

[@NBAkingsfan10]

He said star???

[@lancecheng]

damn this word flow is dope!

[@dariodawaten1420]

Wow Bill Simmons predicted that Stephen Curry will be superstar and will have a shot on the all time great list in 2013 , I remember an article he wrote about Steph Bill Simmona Stated Stephen Curry will reach a level where casual fans will actually stop what their doing and call the attention of other people to watch Stephen Curry when he is heating up, Incredible Prediction.

[@yoyo41210]

Bill writing = GOD LEVEL

[@VIIx22]

Damn it I listened to The bill Simmons Pod preview. Then I listened to the book of the basketball 2.0 and now this. I'm listening to the same thing 3x. It's too good.

[@demetriusmiddleton1246]

There have obviously been many greats! Players who stood out even on an NBA court as being THAT DUDE! But there have been very few players who have literally changed the way the game is played. People still see a slender baby-faced light skin nice guy who doesn't dunk or overpower people - and they just don't want to put him in that KILLER category: that category of players who just wanted to eat your heart out, and did it! But, not to mention the fact that that narrative is just wrong because Curry is extremely competitive, but eating somebody's heart out with a smile is just as cold-blooded to me! AND he's had the success to back it up, it's not like he's a James Harden where he's extremely talented but hasn't had the success, Curry literally changed the way the game is played and it worked immensely for his team. He changed the mathmatics of the game to where you CAN'T win today UNLESS you play like Steph and those Warriors teams! How people still don't rank him higher is just beyond me. It's just because he is all of those "soft" adjectives i listed above. Edit: i think even the nba commissioner would block any trade involving Steph Curry. I can't ever see him playing for any other team. Ever. I can't see it

[@elbowgang9715]

Man stop it Fred Van Fleet ate that nigga lunch in the finals

[@DJMhero]

@@elbowgang9715 Ate? Didnt Curry drop 47 on him lmao

[@demetriusmiddleton1246]

@@elbowgang9715 so you would take Fred Van Vleet over Steph Curry? Is that what you're trying to say? I know you just trying to give a hot take for a couple likes, but let's take your comment to its natural conclusion. Is that what you're really saying? Because Fred Van Vleet had a good series oh, that somehow negates Steph Curry with multiple MVP trophies, even a unanimous MVP, multiple championships, and completely changing the way the game is played today? you giving Fred Van Vleet this much credit? You must not have been feeling well when you typed that comment

[@Tonyoung55]

But he didnt change the game by himself it was him and Klay and then winning the ring made the copycat league switch so yeah Steph and Klay

[@demetriusmiddleton1246]

@@Tonyoung55 Klay Thompson is an exceptional shooter, no doubt. Also one of the best shooters ever just like Steph! I think we both agree on that. I am not saying that their team's success was all solely because of Steph Curry. I am saying however that Steph Curry changed the game! If Steph Curry was playing with anyone else, I believe his effect on the game would have been the same. He was that dude at Davidson! Now do I think his affect was even more pronounced because he had another all-time great shooter on this team, absolutely! So they, along with a few others from those Warriors squads oh, they all deserve credit for the team success. But if you are telling me that Steph Curry wasn't by far the most influential and important, and thus the most responsible for the effect that that team had on the league, then that's just not wanting to give him all of the credit he's due. Michael Jordan played with another top 50 player of all time! Does that mean that Michael Jordan didn't change the way the game is played? Does that diminish the effect that Michael Jordan had on the league? And is it disrespectful to Scottie Pippen to admit Michael Jordan's impact? Absolutely not! I don't understand why people consider evaluations and praise to be a zero-sum game! Giving one person the credit that they're due does not take away from other people's shine. But under the guise of fairness, spreading one person's accomplishments across the team is ironically not being fair. It's not an accurate reflection of reality.

[@oneman9121]

No way he's 24th. ESPN & CBS both put him at 13, which is exactly correct. He changed the game. He'll eventually crack the top 10 when he's done.

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

I got him 16 and I LOVE Steph

[@ff55tfc]

Absolutely, his impact is top 12

[@georgeparker8198]

24 is fair. I think he's closer to top Twenty somewhere in the 20-15 range but I don't think 24 is unfair.

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

I have hom 30 to 35. Clise to 24 but not quite. He sucks on d

[@CoolTy23]

Curry is def top 15 all time

[@shamancolin]

cough cough, defense, cough cough. Klay Iggy and Draymond hide his d liabilities. Defense is half the freaking game. Curry is probably top 5-10 most influential players, but his defensive limitations clearly knock him out of the top 20.

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@shamancolin He’s not a liability on defense. He just isn’t anything special on defense, they’re not just 2 extremes. It’s like you’re saying you can rather be amazing at defense or you can be trash at defense, no in between.

[@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx]

I love how I hear more about the Warriors moving from Oakland to SF more than I ever heard about the Rams moving from STL all the way to LA...

[@Chessbox09]

“Steph is little kids’ catnip “ haha. I know this is true because when I watch Steph I feel like a kid again .

[@adamdamper3232]

This is Fun!

[@wesmaly]

some say he's the greatest point guard of all time, others have him at 24th best player lol

[@michaelcollins966]

Here after Steph has 'climbed' into Bill's top 10.

[@thanosmits1638]

Steph has given so much to the game, revolutinized it more than any other player ever. Honestly, even though his achievments SO FAR ( because more are coming) aren't as good as some other high ranked players, I think he is in the top 10. And high on that list as well

[@JohnnyCashavetes]

I need everyone to know that Bill's prediction that Rondo would be one of the four was no less ridiculous at the time. We all made fun of him for that.

[@jingqi9106]

Steph is a top 10 player because he's not only the greatest shooter ever, he'd also a great ball handler and passer when he's. motivated or needs to fill that role. OF course, Steph's ability to score 3 points with one shot changed basketball and led his Warriors to 4 championships. 💯🔥

[@macxavier168]

I might be the only player who does my all-time list this way, but I rank guys based on position. The league has had so many different eras with so many different players with different skill sets. So it's hard for me to really rank a PG ahead of a center or a SF ahead of a SG. I find it easier to do it the way I do it. So I usually rank my all-time list using this question: "If I had an all-time starting five and bench five, who'd be on that team?" As it pertains to Steph, he'd be my backup PG.

[@ethanchan9629]

is there a list bill has put out for his rankings?

[@jimijackson]

I like the video and thumbs upped...but just my two cents for what it's worth..sometimes playing music seems like. Good idea in videos..but over. Long video...the loop tires a listeners wars. That's why the shows play it a little then kill the sound and the hosts speak. The contrast between the noise and the silence gives the listeners a break. Just imagine hearing your fav song on loop for 20 mins. You'd hate the song by the end lol

[@DustySticks]

Some recency bias on Kawahi being at 25 lol

[@willzsportscards]

probably. but when you look at the dude, all he does it win. He's one of those 'secret' guys. He definitely makes everyone around him better. Scary good in every facet of the good now.

[@Skyberg21]

@@willzsportscards There have only been a handful of guys to lead their team to a championship as the clear cut number one, and he's one of them. That definitely puts him pretty high up all time.

[@razkable]

agreed top 30 maybe...

[@marco5030]

@@willzsportscards I agree, but he needs more games. He was drafted two years before Giannis and missed an entire one, him Giannis AD etc. haven't been in the league long enough, haven't been at a high enough level for long enough to warrant top 40.

[@ethanchan9629]

Where’d you get thisninfo

[@alexlawrence6440]

Rewatch this series to mich during the offseason

[@The-Dom]

"The golden gate bridge had a better chance of being traded...." lol nice one.

[@leftbenchplayaa]

He’s easily a top 15 player all time right now. Could potentially end top 10 if he wins at least 1 more championship with a FMVP.

[@leftbenchplayaa]

stoic romulan lmao you can’t name me 15 players ahead of him all time

[@tchombre1992]

Tommywood no way he’s top 15 man. That’s nuts! You’re definitely in the minority on this one brother

[@leftbenchplayaa]

Tyler bullshit. He’s easily top 15 you’re smoking some crack if you think otherwise. Go ahead name me 15 players all time ahead of him. Lmao this should be good. I’m dying to see this one

[@djlynch2153]

Tommywood I’m on your side with this one he’s definitely top 15 already and he may even end up top 5 if he gets another MVP and another ring or 2

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

@@leftbenchplayaa dude its pointless to nane 15 players better than him. I can name 30 easily. Curry is between 30 to 35. He sucks in d. When are yiu going to realize bball is 2 sides.

[@kingpelon7534]

It was 24 straight the following year not 25.

[@DiamondKingsMusic]

He’s goin down top 10

[@johnmichael642]

holy crap this guy can write

[@JonCom3dy]

How do odds work? 9-1 and -100s +100s etc?

[@goseeaboutagirl]

I think if you bet on someone who's 9-1, if you win, your $100 bet turns to $900. Idk what the mid and negative numbers mean tho like +350 or -700

[@iamkailong]

I cannot imagine Steph not being a solid top 10 hall of famer. But then, even perfect player like Tim Duncun, universally praise as the greatest power forward ever, is hardly in anyone top 5 list.

[@shamancolin]

...nor should Duncan be top 5 nor Curry top 10. There are too many greats. The older you get, the more you appreciate this. It's not a knock on either of them. There are just sooooooo many amazing players in history. I believe that if there was more video on Wilt, he would be a unanimous best player. He averaged 50 points for a season!!!!! He averaged over 27 rebounds for a season!!!!! Wilt has 118 50 point games, most all time. Jordan is next with a "mere" 31, just barely over 1/4 of what Wilt did. Curry. whose calling card is certainly scoring and not d has only 6. Wilt has 2 less than 20x the 50pt games as Curry. Curry, for all his greatness, is no Wilt nor Jordan, nor LBJ. I started following the nba in the early 80s. Jordan is the best I've seen, but Wilt kills him in stats. If Bird didn't have a bad back, I think he and LBJ would be neck and neck. Peak Bird was every bit as good as peak LBJ. LBJ's peak is just waaaaaay longer. Curry, while the better shooter, is not the player Bird was, nor Kareem. He's the 3rd best of his generation, behind LBJ and K.D. And neither of them compare to Kareem in my eyes. And Curry is not on any of their levels. He's not a good defender. In what world is that not a serious knock? It's half the game!!!!!!!

[@mj23goat3]

@@shamancolin Wilt has all of those ridiculous numbers because he was playing against 6'4" slow white guys. Transport him to the 80-90's era and he'd be a solid 25-15-3 guy every year and still make the HOF, but he ain't averaging no 50 ppg for a season or puttin' up 100 point games against 80-90's comp. He might do it against this modern day cream puff comp though.

[@PaulBenjaminJenkins]

Wow, I just randomly had him at #25 of all time. So close.

[@jaceski5806]

How us he ranking right now when the NBA season is suspended?

[@roberttallent2855]

Is there a way to look at the whole pyramid? Lmk

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

A lot of the people in the comments are telling on them selves, showing how little they know about basketball. It’s okay I know all y’all Rockets fans and Lebron fans are hurt y’all didn’t get as many chips as you thought.

[@razkable]

curry tards are the worst and the haters are just as annoying..hes a top 23-25 player right now....he can move up but thats where he is today if he had to retire for a serious issue like bosh did...hes going to be 33 next time we see him in the playoffs which means his time is almost up at his size I don't expect top 5 status anymore starting next season...and by 2021 he won't be top 10...book it

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

@@razkable hes rop 35 nit ni damn 25. You saying hes on the same level as dirk n kg lol no

[@shamancolin]

You'll be glad to know I read your comment and the first person I thought of was you.

[@PaulBenjaminJenkins]

Can anyone explain why Udonis Haslem is still being given a roster spot when he should just be an assistant coach?

[@blackphillip564]

So... So this was a video, audio book? Man, Bill, you should have just given us the book!

[@v4v819]

Admit it... He's Kerr, plus he can make his own shot, in any other era, but the modern one...

[@Sabo-Metrics]

Steph Curry will go down as THE greatest player in basketball history. He changed the game at every level when he starting making all those "ill-advised" 3's. Basketball was a big man's game from its invention until Steph Curry. The tragedy of Durant on the Warriors was that his shadow took light from this fact. Check out what he did pre-KD. You may not see it now, but the world shoots "ill-advised" 3's at a good percentage from youth players to the WNBA, becsuse of Steph Curry.

[@livannal.t.9068]

tell me, why do people put up lebron in goat discussion before him, then? when it comes to best player, most valuable players, everybody is a bronsexual all of a sudden, he doesnt rank on anybody's list...

[@prime5718]

mkg is now a maverick :)

[@benhaney9629]

I can forgive not knowing, “spacing is as important as post play,” (I actually think post play has become vastly underrated. Lebron post up! Ben Simmons? 6’10 point guard actually sometimes guarded by other point guards? Post the fuck up!) I can even forgive not seeming to realize that 3 points is worth more than 2. Because still better than even a 50% 3 point shooter statistically in terms of efficiency is a dunk or lay up. One thing I’ve never understood, not at the time and not now. This era of post 3 point line 20 foot jump shots and 20 foot jump shot artists. I used to watch these wings or power forwards who specialized in the 20 footer and think, “just step back a few feet.” I mean is a 23 footer so much harder than a 20 footer that it’s not worth the extra point? Of course not. I even used to watch Ewing and think he needs to cut out that 20 foot jumper. Either post up or start practicing that 20 footer from 23 feet and then you can post up and shoot 3s. It was always so dumb...

[@Riles3152]

There have only been a small number of players throughout NBA history who have changed the way teams and players play. Wilt Chamberland, MJ, Shaq and Steph. He is a sure fire 1st ballet HOF if he stopped playing Today. My biggest problem with Steph is that I don't know and I don't think he would have been near as dominant or impactful if he played in lets say the much more physical and defensive oriented era of the mid to late 90's-mid 2000's, nor in the era where they had no 3 point line (70's, 60's) I think he would have been great in the 80's era where the pace of the game is similar to today's era and they had the 3 point shot.

[@marcochen9117]

i just think he simply needs more accolades in general, sure he has 3 rings (but 2 of them with kd) but his all star selections and other important accolades aren't enough to match up to the top dogs yet.

[@ayoung3505]

Marco Chen name an accolade that a current player not named LeBron has that is more impressive than Curry’s unanimous MVP

[@marcochen9117]

@@ayoung3505 and almost all current current players arent up there in the all time list. we talking bout in the history of the game

[@mrmacross]

Curry is one of those players who can make a good team great, but it remains to be seen if he could carry a mediocre team over the course of the season. He's like the opposite of Russell Westbrook in that regard. But, that also puts him a step below guys like LeBron.

[@42tesla45]

The thing about that though is you have to remember that theWest is a lot harder than the East. Lebron has never had to carry a team in the West and we have no idea how far Curry could take a team in the East, so it's hard to make those kinds of comparisons

[@maxiqums1549]

so he never carried the team to 2nd round with David Lee as 2nd star?

[@mrmacross]

@@maxiqums1549 We're going act like getting to the second round is some sort of big accomplishment? That's like the minimum you expect out of any First Team All-NBA player. Beating the Nuggets that year was a good accomplishment, but you undersell the roster that year, and then Curry did struggle against the Spurs the next series. But more to the point, even Steve Kerr has doubts whether Curry can carry a team by himself the way Harden did the past few years with the Rockets.

[@maxiqums1549]

@@mrmacross so to carry means 16-0 singlehandedly or what? Did Lillard do that? Did Kemba do that? Did Kyrie do that?

[@maxiqums1549]

@@mrmacross Harden did it all by himself is the funniest joke for me today, Harden never had a team without a second star

[@robertspinks9509]

I pray Steph never gets traded or let go

[@Cam101077]

Which point guard would you want other than prime curry? The choice is obvious, its curry. Best PG all time

[@MentLeee]

Cam101077 prob prime magic. That’s about it.

[@shamancolin]

Yup. Prime Magic. no contest.

[@jaceski5806]

I think the spurs made it to the conference finals in 13 and 14. Dont think they were scared

[@frankenviews4069]

I think a mid 90's era Phil Jackson and the Triangle could have made a four-peat team with Curry, Green and Klay. Steph is the perimeter shooting version of Shaq's offense in the paint in the early 2000s.

[@shamancolin]

The triangle doesn't maximize 3 point shooting like pace, space, and constant motion. It would marginalize Steph's skill set and Thompson's to a degree, though not his defense. Also, if you could hand check and play physical like you could in the 90s, Steph would be getting his ass kicked a lot. Steph is built for the modern game. The Triangle is not.

[@prabhnoorhans9765]

24th, who the hell is ahead of curry???? People think he chokes in the finals but his numbers are similar to Kobe's.

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

Kobe has 11 defensive 1st team awards. Kawhi has 2 rings 2 fmvps 2 dpoy awards. Hes not eben above kawhi. How many dpoy 2nd team awards curry have? Hes between 30 to 40. Learn how to play d

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

6ft 2hunnid your stupid af if you think he’s bad on D. What you here that once from some buffoon on twitter or ESPN. Watch more hoop clown

[@shamancolin]

@@wiz_dropbomb2134 You're clueless and you should do as you advise. All talk, no substance. Draymond, Iggy and Klay have masked Steph's "D" deficiencies. He can steal, etc. and play the proper position within the defensive scheme, that's not the issue. He can get bullied by bigger guards. GSW switching defense tries to get Steph off more physically dominant players. Their defense tries to mask his deficiencies in this way. It happens all the time. Kemba, Trae young, etc. have this happen on D too, just to name a few. But with bigger guards like Smart, Holiday, Klay etc, its not an issue. (Go figure Boston pairs J.B. or Smart with Walker just like GSW pairs Thompson with Steph. It's a great pairing to hide small guard defensive deficiencies) Basketball is still somewhat of a physical game. Size still matters to a degree. If you respond I'll know class is in session again and prepare another lesson for you. You'll probably need to do extra credit not to fail. Because, as someone in their 40's who lives basketball daily, you don't know what you are talking about.

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

@@shamancolin lol the thing is I completely agree with you I was just saying he’s not a zero on D like people say. He’s a good team defender meaning he plays smarty in the schemes you laid out and isn’t trae young or Kemba bad like people seem to think. I never said he was great or even good. Just average for what’s asked of him.

[@Brantley_ZA]

24th is very unfair...

[@santiagosanchez2467]

Harden the only dude pictured here without a championship

[@nextoesc]

Gasol was great

[@doubaya2959]

He should be top 20 now ahead of barklet, cousy, isiah thomas and garnett.

[@doubaya2959]

He changed how basketball is played, best shooter of all time, clutch, plus he had more rings outside of cousy. Cousy had bill russell and all those celtics legends and inferior stats wise.

[@orenlevi4329]

I don't get having Russilo seat there for reaction shots and nothing else. if you want to read a book he should be there. great text, however.

[@orenlevi4329]

@Lauffles still. Simmons is way too comfortable with having people just seat there while he talks.

[@PuffDoe]

Kobe wasnt a heat check star?

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

Not in the same way...his heat-checks always came from his headlong attack-attack-attack mindset.

[@chrisisslick]

@@MrBrachiatingApe what about Gilbert arenas in his prime?

[@hitemup5151]

What’s the point of even having a guest when bill is the only person who talks non stop

[@marc0321]

lol. most didnt think gsw would win a title pre 2015, unless you were one of the few who had actually been watching all of their games. in 2013 it was clear that this team was going to win chips. and it was clear SC was going to win MVPs

[@bhatl07]

The moment Steph made that 3 against the Nuggets and turned around before it went in in 2013 was the moment you knew they could win titles

[@josephvanhorn5347]

That was a great summation of Curry’s career. But 24? Chop that number in half.

[@shamancolin]

...and then double it again and add 3-5. Because, you know, defense matters. Klay, Iggy, and Draymond cover up Steph's deficiencies there quite well. Think Steph is going to lead a talentless team far into the playoffs this year like LBJ did many time over in Cleveland? I sure don't . Because while he's the best shooter in history, he's not a top 20 player. People conflate Warrior greatness with Steph greatness. 60's Celtics, 80s Celtics and Lakers, Pop and Dunk Spurs, 90s Bulls, Shaq and Kobe Lakers, and 2010s Warriors are all time top teams. In any order. But Keep in mind the elite role players and fellow hall of famers Steph had supporting him for those titles. And K.D. is better than Steph (legit 2 way player) and contributed to 2 of 3.

[@josephvanhorn5347]

@@shamancolin But Steph has performances that only a handful of other players in history could match. 62 points on 31 shots? He’s determined to make everyone remember who he is.

[@kb24rd]

predicting curry right after his rooke season? wow

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

Kawhi a few too high Steph a few too low

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

Still!!!!!

[@alexigra2235]

Im pretty sure Steph is above 24, maybe in the top 10.

[@manugulati1105]

Sick triceps Rye

[@BrawlerTM]

To me he's the best PG ever. Which puts him way higher than 24th. He's easily a starter on my all-time team along with MJ, Bron, Shaq, Kareem. I'd say Curry is more valuable than Magic and a better player. I know that sounds crazy to say but he'd be my pick. Too lethal.

[@joshuahart153]

Especially if we're talking in their prime, there's very few players you'd take over 2016 MVP Curry, especially at PG.

[@mj23goat3]

This is how you know someone is a 12-year old that's been watching basketball for 9 minutes. Curry is in NO WAY the best pg of all-time. He averages a measly 6.5 assists per game, ffs. And with a pedestrian 2.0 to 1 assist to turnover ratio to boot. He's typical of his narcissistic gen though in that he's playing a position where he's _supposed_ to set his teammates up yet spends all of his time taking shots for himself. If you had said he was the best _shooting_ PG of all-time you may be right. But best all-around PG? Not in a million years.

[@SamG925xu]

People don't put into perspective how close Curry was to 5 straight titles. Yes I'm a bias Dubs fan but you're talking 5 minutes of Game 7 that go different, 1 Kyrie shot, and then if they stay healthy last year against Toronto, gonna say it would have been more competitive than a Game 6 loss. That alone is a streak only a few players have been able to accomplish.

[@hashaamjamil3375]

But you can also look at it that he could easily have 1 less if Kyrie and K Love weren't hurt for the Cavs

[@razkable]

kd helped..he didnt do that alone..stop it injuries helped too..cp3 conley kyrie love and kawhi...plus a few others...he was a few games from winning 0 titles..

[@razkable]

@@hashaamjamil3375 or cp3 and kawhi as well if they don't get hurt too he could have 0 rings..it goes both ways...

[@maxiqums1549]

@@razkable KD did that singlehandedly tho

[@ycshittu5412]

What did KD do single handedly? KD didnt win anything by himself. Lebron didnt win anything with 2 all stars

[@maxiqums1549]

so he is ahead of pippen who was number 24 in first edition, that means Curry is the biggest Robin of all time?

[@shamancolin]

Agreed, K.D. is better than Steph. That makes him Robin for 2 of 3.

[@hanuragreddy1569]

The goldengate bridge has a better chance of being get traded than steph.🤣🤣. So true.

[@thedanielkarim]

Steph is the second-best point guard of all time

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

4th. Magic isiah oscar curry

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

6ft 2hunnid better then Isaiah and Oscar.

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

Players you ain’t even watch

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

@@wiz_dropbomb2134 hes barely better than stockton. Idc if i watched them or not. They played defense. Curry dont

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

6ft 2hunnid and what did that get them.

[@account.964]

u know well and clear 23 players in history were not better than him. this man is on the brink of cracking the top 10,,the heck

[@N8veJay]

Probably finishes top 15 all time when his career is done

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

Lol no. Kawhi is already better then him. Curry is going to drop. No fmvos. N 2 rings as kd sidekick

[@heathmescon4280]

@@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx delusional, you are

[@USERc2ele]

@@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx nigga kawhi ring dont mean shit when kevin durant and klay was injuried so it was curry vs healthy raptor, lmao ur hyping kawhi after one. chip

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

@@heathmescon4280 u mad

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

@@USERc2ele is better than LeBron. U mad. LeBron never won until he joined champion Wade's team

[@slobberkissintl3548]

I think in a few delirious periods, Warriors could have traded Steph but ONLY for Dame and those periods are obviously early on during Steph's ankle injury period, and mmmmmmaybe during Klay's rehab when enough casual fans were checked out that a full-on car-overturning riot would not have occurred but then they won in 2022 so by the time this Warriors hype falls off enough to trade him w/o repercussions, Steph and Dame will be old but I do hope one day they get Dame. If Dame is ever going to leave Portland, he should come home. He's too good right now to have Jordan Poole's spot but perhaps after his current contract. Steph is 35 and was on pace this season to be statistically better than 2016 Steph. HOW?!

[@Cameronstone45]

All those good points you made until you said TWENTY FOURTH all time 😂😂😂💀

[@shamancolin]

Basketball is a 2 way sport. Curry's average to sub par defense really hurts him on these lists. Curry fans seem blind to this. 24 is about right. Thompson really helps cover for Curry's deficiencies on D. Steph is a tad overrated because people tend to mostly focus on offense. Thompson is a little underrated for the same reason. Also, Steph is no Kevin Durant.

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@shamancolin But he’s still a GOD offensively. He’s the best shooter of all time, if he wins 1 more ring and a finals mvps, I’d put him 10th all time.

[@oshura2506]

Bruh there have been plenty of heat check players after Pete. Paul Pierce, Larry bird, etc.

[@jamesmarhen]

I think he means guys who put up an insane amount of points quickly on a few shots. That wasn't really Pierce and not really Bird either. Bird could shoot with anyone but he didn't take many threes and his scoring was steady. He could light you up but he usually played within the offense while Curry and Pistol Pete shoot from deep, start taking a bunch of shots, get hot, score in bursts. That wasn't Bird's game, though he was more than capable of it if he had wanted to. Bird, Jordan, LeBron, they are more like consistent steady scorers while a "heat check" guy like Bill refers to is a guy who just gets hot and starts scoring in bunches over a short amount of time, often taking insane shots. That's at least what I get from years listening to Bill and how he refers to heat check guys.

[@hanuragreddy1569]

everthing was perfect untill you mentioned 24🤦‍♂️

[@sleong]

Curry is around 18th

[@veerchasm1]

Top 15

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

Top 35

[@shamancolin]

His Defense, which, you know, is half the game, says otherwise.

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@shamancolin Na he’s 13th all time.

[@MistahUnknown]

When Kawhi gets 10 total All-NBA Team selections and 10 All-star selections, we can start mentioning his name. Until then, I don't want to hear his name.

[@clinteastwood7780]

He will

[@DJMhero]

The man has 2 titles, 2 FMVPs, & 2DPOYs he def deserves to be mentioned up there

[@Benjofresh]

@@DJMhero Not all finals MVP's are the same lol. His first is basically Iggy's 2015 one, not Jordan's 93 one. I think more than 4 great seasons is a reasonable expectation for a top-25 guy

[@georgeparker8198]

I'm with you I think he is super overrated. He is a great player but he didn't deserve that first finals MVP he's got and he has only averaged over 20 points 4 times in his 9 year career. Let's chill on people acting like he's the GOAT when he's a 3 time all star lol

[@ejshypetrain4126]

George Parker he def deserved that first finals mvp. Just bc he wasn’t the best player at the time doesent mean he didn’t deserve it

[@wiz_dropbomb2134]

He should be 16 Kd 17 and climbing

[@shamancolin]

K.D. is better than Steph. Offensively it's close. But K.D.is a way better defender. K.D. should finish around top 10. Steph about 25.

[@nathanjackson2642]

Not top 10 yet but no question top 20, top 15 in my opinion

[@johncapo2843]

# ZONE DEFENSE Dummies the zone defense changed everything - not stef reasons he shot from afar was 1- height 2- Feeble/ always hurt which is why you see his stats dip in the play offs, especially with teams with big guards

[@75aces97]

Top 10 all time means you carry team to championship at least once, leaving no doubt you were the best player in every series along the way. Jordan Lebron Kareem Chamberlain Shaq Magic Russell Duncan Bird Olajuwon Kobe, Durant, Erving, Moses, Robinson for next 5, but Curry could squeeze into top 15. Not sure where Kawhi will land when all is said & done.

[@harveycminusmansfiel]

75 aces you’re missing Wade

[@75aces97]

The 16 players above were all MVP's. Wade never was and only made All NBA first team twice in his career. He doesn't meet the minimum requirements for top 15.

[@simonanderson4858]

That's not what Top 10 means. Even your own list refutes it.

[@75aces97]

@@simonanderson4858If there are at least 10 guys all time who've done it, then yes it is. If your resume isn't better than any of those 10, you're not top 10. Specify where this list refutes that.

[@nikosvault]

@@75aces97 Put Kobe in the top 10, remove Erwing and Robinson from the top 15 and replace them with Dirk and West.

[@danbob3575]

jordan steph nash bibby jason iverson miller jokic le36

[@maryannguss9029]

Top 20

[@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx]

Top 35

[@USERc2ele]

No top 20 tf

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@USERc2ele He’s 13th

[@mrrickstur]

Should be around 10-15 if we’re being realistic

[@ucookin]

2:20, so all those illegal screens from bogut and draymond didn't help?

[@AMGTT]

Steph I’m a weird way is a 3 point version of MJ everybody wanna be like steph

[@AJ8871]

He’s at least top 25 of all time He pretty much changed the game from attacking the paint and midrange to almost exclusively three’s. Not only threes. But threes where you pull up from 30 feet on a 2-1 fastbreak. Curry perfected that. And now even today we see teams and players try and replicate that success

[@cooper5431]

Monologues are good .. rankings not so much

[@YoItsDev]

24th lmao.. hes top 10-15 easily

[@maxiqums1549]

and Durant is higher remember that

[@versatiletitan2466]

Nope

[@elbowgang9715]

Lol name one legendary Steph Curry playoff moment. He has no Isiah Thomas 43 point on a severely sprained ankle game or even a game like Iverson's 2001 game 1 with the infamous Tyrone Lue move. He great but to say he top 10 over somebody like Kobe or Hakeem is laughable

[@indmslikedeez8005]

Stephen May 2013- game 4 vs nuggets 2015-game 3 vs Pelicans 2016-game 7 vs thunder 2018-game 1 vs cavs 2018-game 2 vs cavs 2019-game 5 vs rockets 2019- game 6 vs rockets

[@georgeparker8198]

@@indmslikedeez8005 this guy really said name 1 legendary Steph Curry playoff moment...like there aren't several lol

[@trevorwalker3370]

Steph Curry is the greatest player under 6’6... Sounds crazy but if you think about it it’s true

[@bigboner23]

TW ## big facts

[@thenotoriousdig610]

@PP - 08MB - Whaley's Corners PS (1447) how so?

[@danielc1704]

I mean he is great but it is debatable; think he is better than: harden, iverson, d wade, nash, stockton, kidd, jerry west, IT, Payton, westbrook, and oscar robertson, CP3? maybe not quite yet..

[@trevorwalker3370]

Daniel Chaplain yes he’s better than everyone you just named. He’s a 2 time MVP and has 3 rings. Undoubtably the best 3 point shooter of all time

[@DrMjenno]

@@danielc1704 definitely better than most of those players, except DWade, Big O, and maybe Zeke. Westbrook - are you kidding me? How is he on that list?

[@stephanierkdjfbdn5479]

Steph curry 1st

[@shamancolin]

Curry is no Jordan. Jordan was repeatedly a 1st team all defender and the best offensive player in the league. Curry's defensive liabilities completely preclude him from #1. How many finals MVPs does Curry Have? Zippo. Jordan won 6 titles and won 6 finals MVPs. He also 3-peated twice! Warriors have not 3-peated even once. Kevin Durant was the best Warrior for 2 of the Warriors 3 titles. Why? Well, 2x finals MVP, but also K.D. is a good defender. Which, you know, is like half the freaking game. Curry's not even the best offensive player either. Go look up Wilt Chamberlain's stats. He AVERAGED 50 ppg for an entire season. Wilt literally owns more than 1/2 of all offensive records. And for someone old enough to have watched Bird and Magic, Jordan is the best offensive player I've seen. And even Jordan can't compare to Wilts stats. Also, do you really think Curry could win titles wherever he goes? I don't. But LBJ can. Curry changed the game, which is huge. But let's not exaggerate: He is merely the 3rd best player of his generation, behind LBJ and K.D. And that's something to be proud of for someone his size.

[@ZZ-ex8py]

@@shamancolin Relax, it’s not that serious.

[@dominickjung2339]

Curry is the GOAT shooter, but individually he doesn't deserve to be ranked high because he never carried a team by himself.

[@shamancolin]

Exactly.

[@davidmccrea6800]

great speech about Curry, sounded like he was going to rank him number 7 all time then he goes 24 lol

[@ruchpat1]

Go Golden State Warriors.

[@shamancolin]

Yes, go Warriors! Go back to the Lottery! Because Steph can't carry a team deep into the playoffs on his own.

[@izzy9189]

Steph is top 15 all time right now