Where's Nettles? Cast or cut? Why is she like Dany? - House of the Dragon - A Song of Ice and Fire

[@KaritKtana]

Maesters be like: "the neighborhood is getting too.. _Diverse_ if you know what we're saying."

[@thedornishmanswife3712]

I don't want to believe it but Laenas line "there is more than one way to claim a dragon" to raena in s1e5 or 6 sends like it might come back around and definitely gave me sheepsteeler vibes the first time I heard it

[@lc4822]

That's a great point. I remember thinking that line was odd and out of place considering Rhaena's book fate

[@Haizenmaier]

Valyrians being shepherds and binding dragons by spells is an amazing theory. That would explain Nettles.

[@jessjess23brooks89]

If Ryan cuts Nettles, I will make memes comparing him to DnD and I will not feel bad about it.

[@ThommyofThenn]

The way the last few seasons went was the peak of "not a good look" and you might think their successor would do whatever they could to avoid comparisons between then being drawn.

[@colbyadamski8139]

Maybe wait until the part where she actually might show up is released maybe?

[@jessjess23brooks89]

@@colbyadamski8139 Oh I will definitely wait until next season. It doesn't seem like the first battle she takes part in happens this season. I just find it an odd choice to not introduce her with the other dragon seeds.

[@colbyadamski8139]

@@jessjess23brooks89 It’s just a lot of aggressive language for literally no reason?

[@jessjess23brooks89]

@@colbyadamski8139 ?? Sorry if I offended you. It's meant far more lighthearted than you are taking it.

[@lisajoseph796]

Jaehaerys had a rebellious daughter named Saerah, who was kinda promiscuous. Who went to Essos, had many children from many men. They would be dragon seeds as well.

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Apparently some of them came forth at the great council

[@olafharoldsonnii4713]

@@cherylbaxter8986who

[@Akiraspin]

She wasn't just "rebellious" she was... well she was fucking psychotic. Unironically compared herself to Maegor *in front of her father* as an excuse to sleep with multiple men... You know the same Maegor that butchered Jaehaerys little brother and left his carcass to rot outside the Red Keep, in hopes that he could kidnap and rape Jaehaerys's mom when she came back for her sons dead body? She then ran away and unironically worked as a Lyseni whore for the rest of her days, she didn't even show up for her mothers funeral. "They turned our daughter into a whore." -Alysanne cried. "She was always a whore." - Jaehaerys coldly responded.

[@AmethystEyes]

This reminds me of Dorne and Arrianne all over again. Waiting for her casting and it never comes.

[@TheDream6842]

Who is she??

[@Ghilannugs]

@@TheDream6842An icon

[@fabvz5436]

​@@TheDream6842 the princess of Dorne, cuted out of the tv show

[@Spoogebro]

Them cutting the one character from lore that is actually black, rides a dragon and outlives most of the Targaryens of her time is almost comical.

[@Nina-uy1eo]

Turning white characters black but cutting a true strong black character😵‍💫

[@julia-faithwill4211]

@@Nina-uy1eo no frrrr and I already hate how in Fire and Blood they say she was able to claim her dragon with sheep as if being nice to a dragon just means they’ll accept you, way to diminish her character 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@1titans]

​@@julia-faithwill4211Nettkes is a bustard Valerian. Which is why they casted the Valerians as black

[@zerodeem599]

@@julia-faithwill4211 bro you're talking as if dragons are real

[@Kevoooth]

@@Nina-uy1eothem being black was actually a good move

[@ScholaroftheCitadel]

I think removing nettles is a huge mistake. She is a great example of how the stereotypical targeryians aren't the only ones with the potential for dragon riding. I think her being the daughter of a dragonseed or something would be amazing.

[@Michael-bn1oi]

The targs are right though. If she is the child of a dragonseed then that also proves the targs right. Need targ blood

[@JR47846]

you already have the velaryon for that

[@schnozchan6606]

@@JR47846 no you don't, all the velaryon's who are dragon riders have targ blood

[@bh3855]

@@schnozchan6606 We don't know if Adam Velaryon has any Targaryen in him in the show.

[@mtlacunae8659]

Do you think Nettles is the daughter or descendent of a dragon seed? @@Michael-bn1oi

[@GreyWasteTim]

One of the insults hurled at Rhaenyra is that she is "Maegor with teats." The White Worm whispering in her ear that Daemon is unfaithful then mirrors Tyanna of the Tower (another foreign-born paramour) doing the same with Maegor. Jealousy seems to be one of the motivating factors for both Mysaria and Tyanna to whisper these rumors. We lose out on all that pettiness, spite, jealousy and backstabbery if they cut Nettles and replace her with Daemon's own daughter. Then it just becomes dragon roadtrip with Dad.

[@ThommyofThenn]

Yes Tim I agree with that entirely. The way her and Daemon's marriage begins to splinter is crucial to the tone and ending of the story. Remove her, and you have to shoehorn in some alternate ending, and we know how *that* can go, to our sorrow.

[@Tgsva352]

They dont want rhaenyra to look this bad.

[@joshuaadams6565]

But other accounts say Rhaenyra lost her lavish after Visenyas birth. She granted Daemon permission to sleep with Mysaria and other women. But all of a sudden that’s undo when he sleeps with nettles? It all depends on whose account you listen to. Did daemon sleep with nettles or was she like a daughter to him? The plot still works as Rhaenyra puts a bounty on Addam Velaryon. She goes mad. Daemon still dies with Aemond.

[@cherylbaxter8986]

😂 dragon road trip with daddy good one Tim

[@GreyWasteTim]

@@joshuaadams6565 It's to show Rhaenyra's hypocrisy. As Dave pointed out in the video, Rhaenyra states how "obvious" it is that a bastard girl like her couldn't be a true dragon rider, even though her own sons are bastards who lack "traditional" Valyrian features, yet still ride dragons. Like others have been saying, removing Nettles and the baggage associated with her relationship with Daemon (whether romantic or platonic) downplays Rhaenyra's more vile traits. The writers shouldn't be afraid to frame her in a bad light the way they are with Aegon II and Daemon. Equal rights AND equal lefts or however you wanna phrase it. Girl Bosses AND Girl Trainwrecks. It also seems incredibly disrespectful to swap out one POC character's story with another, as if they are interchangeable, while also casting the other Dragon Seeds, AND minor of minor characters like Silver Denys, AND two separate actors for Sers Erryk and Arryk, AND creating whole cloth new characters like Cooper Penny, Larys Strong's Fireflies and the Madam at the brothel that Aemond sees.

[@wafflingmean4477]

That moment when Sheepstealer was claimed by Nettles by being the only person not angry at Sheepstealer for stealing sheep. Sheepstealer was really just a sweetheart who thought "Finally someone gets me" lol.

[@BingeAddict]

Unfortunately George seems to have kinda confirmed that she’s been cut since he complained about the show runners ruining his story and about dragons not being where they should be (name dropping the vale specifically, where baela is)

[@monie3558]

Rhaena and Nettles have way different personalities

[@mochalotte4702]

Like they care. All they see is their skin color, so they think they can just swap one out for the other. The thing that sucks is that nettles is a canonically POC character while Rhaena is canonically white and pure Valyrian looking, they just decided to race swap a character and then remove the only actual black character which is offensive. I suspect there’s some motivation to this as well to not make daemon or Rhaenyra look bad. Also because nettles undermines Targaryen supremacy propaganda by having no dragon blood and yet being able to tame and ride a dragon. The show panders to Targaryen supremacists and lovers, it’s just fanservice for folks that loved Dany and the dragons.

[@RockChick63174]

​@mochalotte4702 getting all bent out of shape over something that hasn't even happened.

[@TheHellyeahmen]

@@mochalotte4702 they don't see color. If they did Rhaena wouldn't even be black

[@sheepsdog]

@@TheHellyeahmenum that’s exactly the point. they SHOULD see color and inclusion is NOT diversity. nettles is important period u guys are so weird and racist if u think blk characters can be interchangeable even if they are completely different personalities…

[@sheepsdog]

@@RockChick63174the implication is still insulting. people are allowed to have opinions 😊

[@zipblockarchives900]

Cutting out Nettles and giving her story to Rhaena would be stupid. I hope the rumor is false.

[@xqzqcv7950]

Sadly... Everything points to it being true, by all appearances.. Its really quite the nonsensical decision, nothing is gained by it and quite a few things are harmed

[@dionysusmclaren12]

.....😅

[@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964]

Rip

[@diegobromfield]

As someone who is a writer, it must be frustrating to see any character get cut in any adaptation. But cutting an actual legit important character is a whole other level of terrible. D & D did it in GoT & it screwed up the whole Dorne plot the last few seasons. & Messed up some of Bran & Dany's arcs. Doing it in HotD would be even worse.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

Calm down...Nettles isn't that big of a deal. She can get cut and the story doesn't change one bit. She was always a boring character anyways.

[@diegobromfield]

@@mr.fettesq.7705 Firstly. Your response already proved your ignorance. Secondly, if you're not an author best to be quiet on what I said because you clearly are clueless.

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

@@diegobromfield yaaaaaaawn

[@Anubiszz512zz]

Lol I just love the sprinkled clips of Dave serenading sheep stealer riddled throughout the video. Easily one of his best comedic moments.

[@girlnettles]

1:55 🙌🏾 thanks for the shout-out 🙌🏾 🐉

[@ragyrge]

I like the idea of Nettles not having a single drop of Valyrian blood in her, and I think that wouldn't necessarily stop her from having a true dragon bond. The way I see it, all the Valyrian blood magic and reptilian eugenics-incest is just a way to facilitate the incredibly difficult warging between a human and a dragon (and I do think they're doing some level of warging when they ride a dragon), not necessarily a requirement for it to happen. Nettles instead used "proper" domestication techniques, and this allowed her to get the bond in a natural fashion, as opposed to the artificial and "forced" Valyrian way. This would not even invalidate the Valyrian method existing, as bonding in this way may be a one in a million thing (and possibly require an incredible amount of warging talent) instead of the much more effective way the Valyrians do it.

[@ajahrowell333]

I hope they keep her in. She literally my favorite. Im hoping they just use season 2 as an introduction to her to get to be a possible favorite for the audience and gaining sheep stealer trust throught season two until the last episode maybe.

[@ThommyofThenn]

I dont see how you can understand the full story of FAB and not have her. I totally agree she is a crucial person and is also a BIG part of several main character's storylines. I'll keep this spoiler free but suffice to say, not having her is like leaving JonCon or someone out. I guess they could roll her into a generic "dragonseed" character but why would they let themselves down like that. She's too good a character

[@Darkness-ie2yl]

why is everyone jumping to conclusions? 😂 she's gonna be there

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@Darkness-ie2yl I don't have time to type out all the speculations and reasoning for or against her being cast. Long story short, some people think it would have been announced already, or has been combined into one of Daemon's side kids, while others, myself included (no spoilers please) think she will simply be a introduced later on.

[@SkyFall7788]

​@@Darkness-ie2yl its literally foreshadowed that Rhaena is gonna take sheepstealer

[@mr.fettesq.7705]

Honestly Nettles really isn't necessary. Which is why she's probably ly not there. She can just as easily be left out. Her entire storyline is extra fluff.

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@mr.fettesq.7705 They could have just as readily included her and I say that as a person who likes Rhaena enough for her to fill in for Nettles. Ultimately, I view the choice as a sign of the direction HOTD will take when it ends. Several of the most essential character's development, motivations and emotional states hinge greatly on Nettle' role. As such, I submit that the should would have been much better served by having her

[@status_quo_post]

If Nettles gets cut I will be quite sad but if Daeron is cut, I'll be fuming mad.

[@bloodravenn8305]

Daeron won't be cut he is confirmed by the showrunners and George, Nettles tho...

[@davimathias6721]

​@@bloodravenn8305 and Olivia talked about him recently, she said something like "and i also have another son apparently, called Daeron, he doesn't appear it, but he is mentioned"

[@НикитаСимонян-ж5е]

Daeron is confirmed to be in the show

[@queenxx1690]

Nettles may be cut too much bad things Rhanyra did to her and they do not want to make Rhaenyra big villain

[@Spoogebro]

I feel the opposite. Daeron is the one character you probably can cut without effecting the story too much. Nettles on the other hand is central to the conflict between daemon and rhaenyra.

[@epic_andra]

David, you are one of a kind. I follow a pretty large lot of GOT youtubers, but your passion and understanding of the ASOIAF universe is unparalleled. I absolutely love your takes, your way of talking is so enjoyable to listen to, not to mention your awesome approach to ads, as well as the symbolism filled lives that are sooo entertaining! Keep doing whatever you are doing, your channel is pure gold for us ASOIAF simps ❤

[@DavidLightbringer]

aww thanks I really appreciate it ❤️

[@MADKIDD623BHN]

If they cut Nettles ..... it's just like D&D going forward....

[@jayteeblues]

There may be a difference between “bonded” and “trained”. Nettles may have trained the dragon and thennnnn bonded with the dragon. It’s all so interesting. I hope they surprise us and keep Nettles!

[@GiordanoBruno42]

I'm so hyped for June HotD AND Elden Ring. What a month for Martin fans

[@aminaa5824]

Ummmm don’t be silly she was obviously in your stream last month, don’t pretend you don’t know where she is :)

[@kyla.s5838]

There's talk that she's been cut completely, and that Rhaena will claim Sheepstealer after following the dragon across the Vale.

[@misti-step]

im just wondering.. why is there a random dragon in the vale? it makes sense if sheepstealer is hanging out on dragonstone, but why the vale?

[@Vanny1980]

@@misti-stephes a wild dragon. Free to fly anywhere

[@agrimmeon9308]

​@@misti-step Sheepstealer is directly stated to hunt near the Wendwater in the books, a river in the Stormlands near Kingslanding. The outermost area of the Vale, near the Eyrie, are equidistant from Dragonstone as the Wendwater is, if not closer. They could've easy changed his hunting grounds to that area for the story to work. Dragonstone isnt described as abundant in resources, dragons need to eat. And with all the talk of Vale sheep in S1, why not?

[@jesseandersen4055]

Yeah I think it's true, too. Think about the foreshadowing of Laena telling her she'll need to claim a dragon if she wants to be a dragon rider. Of all people, I wish they had picked someone else because not only does this take away from nettles and her story, but it takes away from Rhaenas story. In tbe books, she is able to hatch morning, and as we've learned, very few people have this ability, and on top of that, she and Mourning survive this war. Combining the two takes away from both of their stories.

[@Babylauncher3000]

@@misti-steplack of competition with other Dragons.

[@therunningman_]

This video is INCREDIBLE! Love all of your content, Dave!

[@rashelleobey7626]

Really hopeful that we still get Nettles🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@AntoineVello]

I'll keep it 100. Anyone who wants to argue with me that Nettles is atop an 80 year old Dragon (Think around the size of Caraxes) as it is going tens of miles per hour, as the wind is whipping by her mouth and she's just screaming "LEFT, LEFT, DRAGONFIRE!" mid battle, you are welcome to do so. I will also remind you that they bolt the saddles onto the dragon's backs. You can see this on Syrax. If this hurt, minimum 20 guys would have died each time they made a saddle for Caraxes, there is no way Nettles is whipping an 80 year old dragon and it realistically hurts enough for the dragon to take notice. I think a much simpler response is that she formed a dragon bond with Sheepstealer and telepathically gives the dragon orders like most Targaryens do.

[@DanyelAzamor-lh7yg]

or she knows some sorcery, but thats just rhaenyra being paranoid

[@JennyOfOldeStonze]

Yeah.. Reina's mother on the other hand... I could have seen that badass slitting a sheep's throat when she went looking for Nanna Vhegar!!! At least the show version of her.

[@fabiolaliano8620]

I feel like the nettles characterization has been split between rhaena and alyn, since from what we’ve seen alyn doesn’t have any of the traditional targ features in the show yet seasmoke is following him around

[@annarya6294]

Sadly, I think you're right about that. Daemon is going to make Alyn his loveinterest then... still got my fingers crossed for cliffhanger-nettles in season 3

[@fabiolaliano8620]

addam*

[@annarya6294]

Yeah addam of course 😅

[@blackgirlcouchreviews]

@@annarya6294 Isn’t Alyn with Aemond?

[@zvrdoz4988]

She’s just one of those minor characters that makes you wonder. George loves to cast doubt with his loose ends

[@MorsCodefood]

I found her! She did a video 2 weeks ago with some guy named David

[@ThommyofThenn]

Verygoodcarving.mp4

[@samf.s.7731]

Who's this David you speak of? 🤭

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Are you talking about Gray Area video

[@cherylbaxter8986]

​@@samf.s.7731😅😅

[@rexibhazoboa7097]

who are you talking about?

[@Liizardqueen90]

I need nettles. I'll be devastated if she is cut.

[@ThommyofThenn]

And they've included even finer, more obscure details in the show so it would be more bizarre than anything to cut her

[@nicki7919]

What a sweet Saturday treat!

[@arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621]

33:39 There's some validity to this. The leaker, one of the people that runs the Wake the Dragon account, mentioned that she first got this information about a year ago and had sat on it because she wasn't sure it was true. Add in the fact that before Season 1 aired, it wasn't clear whether the show was going to be a success and that they initially gave a conservative estimate of about 3 seasons. So it's possible this may have been an early idea considered just in case the show wasn't given the chance to tell the story of the Dance in full. Of course, we'll just have to wait and see.

[@cecileestelle9448]

This is quite a relief to hear, thank you!

[@lynninfinite]

GRRM: “You won’t find dragons hunting the riverlands or the Reach or the Vale, or roaming the northlands or the mountains of Dorne.” The showrunners will do what they want 😅

[@DavidLightbringer]

and I think the showrunners should prioritize making a good show over keeping to book lore, but when they break lore, the burden is kind of on them to justify it with something good

[@houseofbrat]

Silverwing lived in the Reach after the Dance. Why do people keep on forgetting this?

[@ThommyofThenn]

21:30 The effects of using a dragon in battle for the rider aren't usually mentioned in the books I don't think. It's one thing to slay an enemy with spear or lance, but burning them is an unique horror. I don't think Daemon had any problem with it but Nettles probably had not been in combat before the Dance. After seeing people burn alive due to her dragon, it makes so much sense she would be mortified by it. Yea you have to feel the worst for the random smallfolk getting incinerated but I also feel for Nettles in this case

[@JsHolgersson]

Ah thank you for the sweet little treat My good Ser David! 🤘🐺🔥

[@just_a_lil_guy]

Hey David, I actually do know for sure that at some point they were casting nettles. I know someone who got very close to landing the role (but did not). Not sure how the actual season will end up, but they were definitely planning it at some point

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh okay that's super interesting. I wonder if there was a change. I do think it makes sense to delay her to season 3 I just don't know what this new rumor is about with sheep stealer

[@callmema14]

Why cut the main character that is actually poc in the books? I'm just frustrated 😠

[@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon]

Dammit… I was seriously hoping that when daddy Daemon sang that sweet Valyrian lullaby to Vermithor, it would be so that his baby girl Rhaena would end up being able to claim The Bronze Fury.😕

[@ThommyofThenn]

I love this comment

[@lucasbelmonte2832]

Are you serious? Vermithor is claimed by Hugh hammer.

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@lucasbelmonte2832 Pretty sure it's all in good fun :)

[@lucasbelmonte2832]

@@ThommyofThenn Thank god, the rumours of Rhaena taking over nettles plot was worrying enough

[@jesseandersen4055]

But can we talk about that shot of Rhaenyra and Vermithor? So badass, Vermithor has such a unique and badass grandaddy dragon vibe. Honestly I would have preferred they cut that traitorous twat over Nettles.

[@cheyennem9218]

Great video and refresher on the role Nettles plays in the Dance. I'm bummed, though I do trust the writers to navigate this in a way that serves the story they're telling. My guess is that something had to give for efficiency's sake, rather than this being a malicious writing choice. Half a year ago, I was saying I hoped season 2 gave us more of Daemon and his daughters establishing an on-screen relationship, interacting more, and making up for some of the cut scenes in season 1 before his screen time shifted to bonding with Nettles, and I have a feeling the writers saw that narrative need/responsibility to serve Baela and Rhaena's relationship with Daemon (and serve those actors). Their solution, rightly or wrongly, might be this whole Nettles situation. That said, I really hope we get other dragonseeds and key characters to show the commoner POV if we've really lost Nettles, and I hope a good amount of Nettles shines through Rhaena without losing some of the things that made Rhaena (and Morning) such a ray of light at the end of the Dance.

[@KarotKake]

22:07 had me singing. Stop me, oh, stop me / Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before

[@JennyOfOldeStonze]

Robert Baratheon ONLY got on the throne because he was part Targaryen. He was all killing Targs and he was part Targaryen himself the whole time. As were "his kids" (not). "He had the better claim" Ned says that in GOT.

[@sarwatarannya8786]

No, that was just an excuse. The truth is he took it by conquest as he was the de facto leader of the rebellion. No one would ever dare to challenge him. Robert even said this when he described the rebellion. "I took the iron throne. I rule the seven kingdoms"

[@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964]

If that's your excuse them explain Joeffrey and Tommen

[@mariannesagard8823]

Thank you , David Lightbringer ,for making this stream🙏 A character which I also find very very interesting and so important for both This story ,and furthermore too..🔥So this will really be a loss if they cut Nettles...I really hope that she will eventually turn up ..

[@theravenousrabbit3671]

Something you forgot, the dragon keepers feed the dragons and are allowed to get close, but they do not form a dragonbond with the dragons they feed regularly.

[@DavidLightbringer]

that's actually a great point I've never thought about that!

[@alannad3702]

I was looking forward to seeing Nettles..😢

[@noirjente5049]

You are simply one of the best in the business when it comes to this. Please contact the folks at "Watch Dem Thrones" if you get a chance. I hope they have you on their stream because I know of folks there who also follow you.

[@johnmontag]

The reason that these powers that will be change an amazing story for no reason, just spellbinds me

[@VictoriaTraducciones]

They're combining characters just like DnD did, they are giving her dragon and some of her story probably to Rhaena because they can't have one of Daemon's girls doing "nothing" in the Vale while Baela is getting into dragon action, also modern audiences seem to hate none warrior women, it's also why Rhaenyra is getting some action aswell, can't have a woman sitting in her castle doing neddlework or something boring like that, she has to be a girlboss

[@kevinholmes1737]

She perfectly represents how blacks feel in America his write is so strange he sees the unseen beautiful gift an amazing video

[@vanillamillz]

Sheep stealer was on last night's episode. It looks like sea snakes daughter will be the rider.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Lame. HBO: Let's make the Valyerions black for diversity. Also HBO: Let's cut an Orginal black charecter.

[@Ranger_of_Dragons]

She would be a pretty large part of the story to cut. They may just wait until season 3. She needs time to feed those sheep to Sheep Stealer and gain the trust.

[@jesseandersen4055]

That's what I thought, too. I'll hold out hope but I'm like 90% sure they've given her whole story to Rhaena. That rumor started so early and now there are rumors of her claiming sheelstealer, too. And that shot of her in the trailer makes me think she's about to do it.

[@powertrip25]

I knew Nettles was in danger when they casted black actors as dragon riders. She woulda been such a great way to introduce the first POC dragon rider

[@Darkness-ie2yl]

she's not in any danger. she's just not doing anything this season....

[@denicarson9082]

For your information, GRRM originally planned to make the Volaryans black. Why people assumed they are white is beyond me anyway.

[@birdyperch]

I don’t see why it makes any difference at all for Nettles. We would just have a much whiter first season and we don’t need that

[@birdyperch]

@@Darkness-ie2yl😢😢😢 fingers crossed

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

Sheep Stealer looks like a Diamondback rattler. One of the most ill-tempered snakes on the planet.

[@buffysummers7887]

I wonder if Nettles being a warg would be too tidy of a solution

[@kristianharada9514]

I want to believe they will get into nettles next season! LIKE showing nettles as the very last frame in season 2 finale

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

She's gonna get the Mushroom treatment. No lines.

[@molleh3180]

In addition to the great points you make, I also want to see the cute tiny pink dragon

[@Deking24]

Yeah it would literally make no sense for them to go nettles storyline to Rhena . Now them cutting the entire thing vs giving away the storyline would make more sense .

[@JeremyIceAndFire33]

Phenomenal analysis on why Nettles is so important! This is exactly the butterfly effect GRRM warns ppl about. 🔥

[@godfreytamale9890]

What do u mean

[@doomrot]

There's no way Rhaenrya would turn on Rhaena like the other DragonSeeds, order her death, and cause her to flee. Rhaena is family, not Dragonseed. Rhaena can't take Nettle's place because it'd cause huge plot holes.

[@seafoxx777]

I feel like they’re merging her with Rheana and they’re gonna have Rhaenyra get angry with her for abandoning her children in the Vale… or something stupid like that :(

[@DreyM3]

Justice for our queens!!! Rhaena & Nettles are perfect as they are!!

[@lutilda]

Merging Rhaena & Nettles is a disservice to both of their characters as well as to Morning & Sheep Stealer !

[@thenickfoxx]

I love how everyone is already freaking out over some speculation lol

[@Dredaybay]

It’s speculation but weird no one has been cast

[@fayedunaway8]

We all have PTSD from the doom of game of thrones series

[@thenickfoxx]

@@Dredaybay it could be possible that like Daeron, Nettles could be appearing in season 3. They could just push back the newer characters after a few present day characters die, thus opening up more deserved screen time for a character like Nettles and Daeron

[@ACPritchard]

Im still holding out for child of the forest Nettles, as youve pointed out the possibility of in the past.

[@DavidLightbringer]

I personally don't think that theory is right but it is certainly an interesting idea

[@DXMKNA]

That rumor was confirmed yesterday with the episode 6 release.

[@OniDasAlagoas]

Rhaena is not going to claim sheepstealer. She will try, but won't manage to, while nettles will do it and this will build up Rhaena's resentment even more. Also, not having a dragon is part of Rhaena's character.

[@lazarsimijonovic3786]

How would they even write the story without nettles? Just makes zero sense lol

[@Vanny1980]

Have rhaenyra go crazy

[@libuelu5338]

⁠@@Vanny1980yeah but nettles is part of how rhaenyra became insane.

[@MsolL]

I am most likely wrong, but here is what I think could happen: Rhaena will try to tame Sheepstealer but will almost get killed, and Daemon will see her as weak or lose respect for her. This way, their relationship will be broken in a way. Afterward, we will be slowly introduced to Nettles, bringing sheep to sheepstealer I think they will give some nuances to the relationship she has with Daemon. She probably she sees him as a father figure, but he sees her "romantically" (Please feel free to correct me as english is not my first language)

[@jesseandersen4055]

I would prefer this, but I do believe they set up Rhaena to claim a dragon in season one. I think that was the whole point of that scene with Laena finding Rhaena with her egg that never hatched. Which makes me think that they had already decided to cut Nettles way back in the development of season one. They could have just had her claim Grey Ghost instead and we could have kept Nettles… I don’t know why they had to take out one of the best characters.

[@GlueGunsRoses]

I haven't read the book, but I'm curious if the bastards had to prove Velaryon relationship and did anyone get pissed about their surprise stepkids/ half siblings? Since watching HOTD, I wondered why the trainers in the dragon pits can get close to the dragons as regular people, but no one else can?

[@gleann_cuilinn]

Those dragon trainers really were one of the most interesting and well done parts of the show. My theory is that they are descended from a line of dragon trainers who came over from Valyria with Aenar and his family. Or perhaps they came over from Volantis or Lys more recently.

[@hinakhodiyara7883]

Nettles is awesome, as are you. Great video David.

[@KZOD1990]

Technically it would make sense for Rhyna to help Damon as Luke was her betrothed and they are hunting his "killer"

[@phoebuscastlefilms9800]

Broooo! What’s the name of or style of that Adidas track suit????

[@jobobtargaryen1258]

I don't know how David convinced Eddie Vedder to sing for the video 😏

[@BitterSteel69]

I like the theory that Nettles is Leaf who is also Old Nan, Sheepstealer was the dragon that Summer saw at the end of Clash coming to pick Old Nan up and take her to Bloodraven’s cave after she believed Bran was dead. Sounds crazy but it does make some sense, since the books suspiciously say that her body was never found after Winterfell was sacked by Ramsey. Here’s to hoping the smoky dragon at Winterfell wasn’t a red herring.

[@JuicyLiss]

Subscribed for a while now, and really enjoy your content! Your personality makes ASOIAF funny while still informative. Have a wonderful day

[@danielleeskelton]

I don't think she is in season 2, but hopefully she will appear in Season 3 onwards.

[@alexjames7144]

The major issue with giving Rhaena sheeptealer instead is that then she somehow has to lose sheepstealer without a battle, and has to also spend all her time in the Vale and end up with morning at the end anyway. What is the point in giving her a dragon, doing nothing with it, having her lose it and then just giving her a new one instead? What a waste of everyone's time. They'd honestly be better served cutting out sheepstealer completely

[@jsan3743]

Awesome vid as always David! Thank you! ❤

[@Liizardqueen90]

Rewatching this for ammo to argue why she is important when people say she isnt

[@DavidLightbringer]

she definitely is

[@Liizardqueen90]

@@DavidLightbringer 1000%

[@KaritKtana]

Dave, I'm afraid that Nettles will _technically_ be in the show, in the same way that Mushroom is in the show. So it could be that the girl in the pic IS called Nettles, but that's where it ends :(((

[@lauraestrada7279]

NEVER thought I'd laugh so hard at A Temple of the Dog diddy!! 😆 🤣 😂

[@rena7123]

I still hope Nettles will be the cliffhanger going into season 3

[@deathbeforedishonor1931]

After watching last nights episode… I can confirm they cut our girl… what a shame.

[@mat992]

Great video!! Thanks for reminding me of how damn cool and important she is. Must not be cut!

[@psnamstutz9078]

Now my last hope is season 3 begins with some girl asking rhaena wtf she's doing out here!!

[@xXImikoXx]

Sadly, I think that Daemon's current Story-Arc at Harrenhall is probably why Nettles was excluded from HotD. I feel like an affair with Nettles would basically be a 180-degree turn in what they seem to be trying to do with Daemon, which is gradually twist him back into being the "husband" Rhaenyra needed him to be.

[@michaelnewman4649]

I feel like Nathalie Emmanuel would make a perfect Nettles, if only she hadn’t already been cast in Game of Thrones

[@michaelnewman4649]

@QuietWolfGaming she doesn’t look a day over 21 though lol

[@SteveOnTheEastCoast]

TEMPLE OF THE sheep.

[@DavidLightbringer]

hahaha **chef's kiss**

[@Drae-gk6dl]

I actually think Nettles is Daemon's bastard, and that's why he's so fatherly towards her. Describing them as "The prince and his bastard girl" makes it more clear to me.

[@leiana_yt]

I would absolutely have an issue with them giving Nettles' role to Rhaena. If I remember some of GrayArea's Nettles tin-foil theory correctly, I AGREE with it & I hope it's (mostly) true... That Nettles is actually one of the Children of the Forest (Leaf, in glamour/using magic) or a Child/Forest×FirstMen hybrid, but again, using magic to bond the dragon... This could track with what we've already seen from Show Daemon when he sings to Vermithor, he does 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨, maybe he shares something with Nettles later on? She feeds Sheepstealer regularly & once she gets close enough, she uses the "magic" to bond w/the dragon & she learns MORE abt the dragon bonds from Daemon. I liked the Theory bc of later implications with Daemon & his death. I think his body is never found bc Daemon ended up on the Isle of Faces & that has a connection to the Green Men (& Child/Forest + First Men pact) & if we're talking "blood magic" & sacrifices...a massive sacrifice was made that day with Aemond/Vhagar + Daemon/Caraxes. Also, "kings/royal blood" & technically 4 dragons, if you play on words...it sounds like something GRRM would write for the supernatural elements that are absolutely a big part of the ASOIAF series. That & it'd be cool/interesting to watch & explore. But I agree it's much more logical that Nettles is a true dragonseed, she just doesnt look it & shes smart enough to "bond" with the dragon by feeding it beforehand. We shall see what the show does soon enough...

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

She's going to be a background charecter like Mushroom & have 1, 2 or no lines.

[@Mackerlee]

Am i missing something re: Alyn Velaryon? AFAIK, Alyn tried to dragon-up, but it was his brother Adam who became a rider, while Alyn would later become Oakenfist. Or maybe Laenor is glamoring😂

[@queenxx1690]

Addam and Alyn will have black hair apparently not silver i wonder why

[@EarnestTargenfyre]

These are just unnecessary changes and i don't know why these changes are made.

[@queenxx1690]

@@EarnestTargenfyre they no longer b9ther to even put silver wigs or cast 16 years old actors playing them look 30 almost like Corlys himself there were suppose to teens

[@EarnestTargenfyre]

@@queenxx1690 I was shocked when i saw Addam and Alyn. At least Addam looks decent but lmao they made Alyn look like a 35 year old random sailor lol! Excluding the fact that they have pale skin and silver fu*king hair!

[@prey556]

If Nettles is in fact cut I’m more disappointed that my personal head cannon isn’t confirmed like all us ASOIAF fans. I just need a scene in the show where it’s Nettles and Daemon being a wholesome father daughter relationship.

[@TheMoonDejesus]

Interesting because the Rhaena sheepS narrative seemed like they thought of it like 3 episodes before they did it

[@Akiraspin]

I hate it when they do shit like this; they made the Velaryons black, which is already non-canon, okay fine. Why exactly would they chose to remove Nettles? Nettles is objectively more important to the plot than the Velaryon's having a different skin-tone. And Nettles is *literally canonically black.* What the hell is going on over there in the writers room?

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

IF NETTLES ISN'T CAST I AM GONNA RIOT

[@overlynuanced]

If she's cut, I'm storming the Dragon pit 😡