WHERE was the WEST SEA in The Book in Mormon?

[@bradleyc.9464]

Nice job, Michael. Thanks for all of that exhaustive research. 100% agree! You are perfectly right on track. Joseph always spoke about this land being a "land choice above all other lands...". Keep the heavy research coming -- we love it.

[@reppi8742]

I live in Ohio - the land Bountiful - and it is. I started to learn about foraging and I am amazed at how much food grows in abundance here - mulberries, pawpaws, purslane, nettles, plantain, Jerusalem artichokes and so much more I've spent years "weeding" foods and medicines that are good for me. I believe what Joseph said. When the Native American records are released we will know so much more. These are exciting times!

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

@@reppi8742 I was a missionary in the Cincinnati mission back in the day, and when I was in Kentucky helping a guy plant a garden, I was surprised when he told me that he didn't even need to water the crops, because they just grew on their own!

[@Thehaystack7999]

Soo glad you’re back!

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Yeah, it's been a minute! :) Life gets crazy sometimes, but I've just been chipping away at this video for a while when I get a chance. I've got others on the back-burner as well.

[@Thehaystack7999]

@@MichaelP_IsMe I get it, there is soo much I am finding that I want to share it just takes a bit to break it down and have time to do it. You may find my last two vids interesting.

[@Da_wise_1]

@@MichaelP_IsMeI know where the Red Sea is located

[@rconger24]

​​​@@Da_wise_1 Where? Do tell! Do you mean the gulf of Aquiba?

[@Da_wise_1]

@@rconger24 Hold on let me get them map for you. Well at least the yesr

[@shanermcdoogle]

Fascinating production! You had my attention the entire length of the presentation and so much of it rings true to my ears. Everything from evolution, a younger earth, the flood, dinosaurs to the interior seaway. I have also felt that there was an interior seaway that may have served as the west sea. Keep up the great work. I can’t wait to learn what is next in your channel.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Yes! Research the Western Interior Seaway and the Kansas Ocean. Cool stuff!

[@destinyvids2918]

Good job. Need to get the word out. Meso model is almost laughable with the knowledge we have now. I must admit the 4 different seas always confused me when I was a kid and tried to understand how that worked in Central America. It got to the point my testimony was under attack trying to make the Meso model work when I was younger. All I could do was lean on my testimony of the BoM. When I found the Heartland model my testimony surged because of what I read. And the more I read and understand the more amazing I see it. You would think as you learned more, it would lessen in power if it was false, but its the opposite. The more we learn, the more I am in awe of this.

[@verdexj160]

I think your theory is spot on. When i learned about the seaway a few months ago, it seemed to fit in with a landmass different than current maps. A KZbinr geologist Myron Cook has a good video on the seaway. You did a great job explaining the world timeline. Well done. Your theory is very plausable.

[@prezp00nage24]

You’re exactly right. I used to think young earthers were crazy, but I’ve recently come around to believing the earth is much younger than what science says, and your video fits in that model I’ve adapted. I’d reccommend everyone learn about how carbon dating works and look up miyake events, and you’ll have no choice but to believe in young earth.

[@ryannilsson7955]

This is a great video! In order to properly understand the Book of Mormon, and the Gospel itself, it is imperative that we dispense with Darwinism and believe the timeline we receive from the scriptures.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Absolutely!

[@trevorbranch3319]

Love it! So much of what we believe about the earth forming and such is based on theories. We tend to forget that sometimes we discover new things that prove older theories false.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Yes, I try to always keep an open mind.

[@seekeroftruth3656]

Thank you for sharing this! These have been my thoughts for several years now! I love seeing the western inner sea! I have many thoughts about the climate at the time of the BofM. Look forward to seeing more from you about this subject too! THANKS

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)

[@EMonzon]

I recently listened to another giant, Elder Skousen, saying that everywhere the Israelites were, they buried their dead in mounts, and that you can trace them from south Rusia to England.

[@KarenMurray-b8k]

It is my understanding that the Navajo-Dine traditional teachings tell that they came from the East in ships into the Four Corners region. I've been studying the history of California, in particular the native peoples and migrations because of my Mexican roots, which are from northwest Mexico and Mexico City area. This included maps and older traditions about an inland sea. From living in the southwest the physical evidence of such a seaway is indisputable in my mind. Living in Alaska now and knowing that we have Mitochondrial DNA connecting to the native peoples here as well, has been leading me along the lines that early peoples were much more migratory that we allow our modern minds to consider, and that the idea of inland seas would have facilitated southward migration as well. I believe the Lenne Lenape people (Delaware and Pennsylvania areas) have a tradition of a great inland sea to the west of their current homelands, which disappeared in a night and forced them to migrate to the east. THANK YOU for producing this presentation and I'll be looking at more from you and other sources to build the picture forming in my mind. It will take many people, from many different perspectives to create a clearer picture of the people of the Americas and root out the truth of the matter.

[@TravPlay]

This was so good! I was about to reference the UM, but then you did it yourself. You did a great job summarizing two textbooks worth of info. That's hard!

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Thanks :) I love the UM!

[@goldenpawlife]

Ty for these videos, I too have believed for many years that this is where the neophyte and laminate history from the BofM took place. My husband is not a member, however, he has given permission for me to do his families Temple work, will attend church with me once in awhile and does allow the missionaries to come over each week to visit. He is very math and science minded and these videos help explain how things are possible. I appreciate all the work you put in to these videos.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

You're welcome :) Yes, one day we'll be able to scientifically understand how God does all the things He does.

[@k.l.hancock8683]

Glad you’re back!!

[@Anvilbanger]

I live part of each year on the Yucatan peninsula and associate daily with the Mayan people. I heard a quote from a non-LDS Mayan leader/scholar that, "We are not your Book of Mormon Lamanites! But, we are of the house of Israel. At Palenque is a large carved relief of a lesser Mayan (King?} swearing an oath to a Greater King. It is very reminiscent of the oath sworn to Abraham by his servant in Genesis 24:2. The lesser king has his hand "under his thigh" (both Genesis and I use the euphemism).

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I believe that too. I think we have no idea how many groups God lead out of Israel, where they ended up, and who they interacted with.

[@DONTLIMITGOD]

Rod Meldrum brings this home!!!!

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Rod's got some great stuff!

[@SgtFuzzles]

Great video, Mike. The older I get the more I realize this Earth's history is NOT what we were taught. I'll make the attempt to read those books! Thanks :)

[@rconger24]

Yay Michael P. ! Yes, It's been "a minute." Hope you're well! Hosannahs Brother!

[@bittersweet340]

As a Maori descendant from Polynesia, from NZ my ancestors’ Family Pā was an integral part of fortified settlements built to protect against threats. Designed with trench warfare in mind, these structures date back to the 1700s and 1800s. The Maori adapted their warrior culture to the changing environment, using trench systems and earthworks to defend against European-settler invasions. Key features included obstacles, barriers, and tactical positions for defensive advantage. The Pā strategy was designed to be highly defensible, often featuring trapdoors, tunnels, and walls to repel invaders. These trench warfare techniques showcase the resourcefulness and resilience of the Maori people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty. However, despite their ingenuity, the British colonists, with their advanced weaponry, ultimately defeated the Maori after 27 years of conflict, from 1845 to 1872. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ7PfWSoeLWqndE

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Thank you for sharing. I've heard that some Maori people can trace their lineage back to Hagoth and even Nephi. Have you heard anything about that?

[@bittersweet340]

@@MichaelP_IsMe Yes every saint in the church here is aware of that, even President Hinckley made a statement when he attended the Temple dedication in 1958... In the opening sentences of his dedicatory prayer at the New Zealand Temple, April 20, 1958, President David O. McKay stated: We express gratitude that to these fertile islands, thou didst guide descendants of Father Lehi and hast enabled them to prosper (McKay 2). Later, Elder Gordon B. Hinckley commented upon Europeans being assembled with the Maoris of the Pacific at the dedication of the New Zealand Temple: “Again, there was something prophetic about it. Here were two great strains of the house of Israel the children of Ephraim from the isles of Britain, and the children of Lehi from the isles of the Pacific” (509). Nearly twenty years later, in a talk to the Samoans in 1976, President Spencer W. Kimball said: I thought to read to you a sacred scripture which pertains especially to you the islanders of the Pacific. It is in the sixty-third chapter of Alma [He then read the account of Hagoth.] And so it seems to me rather clear that your ancestors moved northward and crossed a part of the South Pacific. You did not bring your records with you, but you brought much food and provisions. And so we have a great congregation of people in the South seas who came from the Nephites, and who came from the land southward and went to the land northward, which could have been Hawaii. And then the further settlement could have been a move southward again to all of these islands and even to New Zealand. The Lord knows what he is doing when he sends his people from one place to another. That was the scattering of Israel. Some of them remained in America and went from Alaska to the southern point. And others of you came this direction. President Spencer W. Kimball continued by quoting former President Joseph F. Smith as saying: “I would like to say to you brethren and sisters from New Zealand, you are some of Hagoth’s people, and there is No Perhaps about it!” He didn’t want any arguments about it. That was definite. So you are of Israel. You have been scattered. Now you are being gathered (15).

[@bittersweet340]

@@FromAgonyToLight That is OK, wonderful thoughts, I'm not offended, Have to remember that you were young men fresh out of seminary and the doctrines of the gospel takes time for some to digest spiritually... but that's OK If that Blue Book was able to convert inquiring soul regardless what lineage one might be ordained from then that's what matters the most. It's a time of Gentiles and the gospel is their last time to enter onto the covenant path.

[@Tera4m]

@@bittersweet340: Don’t believe everything you see on Nat Geo or the Smithsonian brotha, Our ancestors knew who they were & where they came from, we didn’t get here on a hope & a whim

[@Tera4m]

Migration of the Pacific (Descendants of Manasseh) Legend of Hagoth Lehi, Nephi, Sam, Joseph, Hagoth/Hakota/Hako/Ngati-Hako Hakota, Hawaiiloa, Kanaloa Haida Gwaii - [Kalonakikeke]Alaska Hawaii Havaii - Tahitian Havaiki - Niue, Marquesas,, Hawaiki - Māori Avaiki - Raro-Tongan Savaii - Samoan Savaiki - Tongareva Sawaiki - Fijian Tahitian Mā ohi Hawaiian Māoli Cook Island Māori Māori Tangata Māori Kanaka Maoli Māori - Hawaiiki Nui, Hawaiiki Roa, Hawaiiki Pamamao Hawaiian - Kahiki Nui, Kahiki Loa, Kahiki Pamamao Tahitian - Tawhiti Nui, Tawhiti Roa, Tawhiti Pamamao Or in the words of our forefathers, an extension from one island, to the next & so forth. Knowing with absolute certainty, that all roads,, lead home. This is real history & heritage taught by those who live it & keep it very much "Alive & Well" even today, with Hawaiki Atea being,, the Home of God Father/Homeland of Kanaloa Atea - Marquesas Islands Akea - Makea - Aotearoa Vatea - Society Islands Vakea - Wakea - Hawaii Hagoth in Nuhaka bookofmormonevidence.org/hagoth-polynesia/ Hagoth & the Polynesians rsc.byu.edu/book-mormon-alma-testimony-word/hagoth-polynesians Hawaiian Rain Dancers kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2HZk4WegcSSopY Native American Prophecy of the BoM [Cherokee] kzbin.info/www/bejne/aH2Wd6l9mJiLgbs 2nd Māori King’s Prophecy of the BoM [King Tawhiao] bycommonconsent.com/2013/05/01/mormon-maori-prophecies-apostasy/ King Tawhiao “Our church is coming from the east-not a church paid with money. Its ministers go two by two; when they pray they raise their hands. They will not come to go among the Pakeha (Europeans) but will dine, live, talk, & sleep with you. The sign will be the writing of the names of males, females & children. … Those churches that have already come are nothing, but when these come that I speak about, do not disturb them-that will be your church!” Mere Rikiriki the Prophetess who was anointed by the Holy Spirit, in the presence of the Arch Angel Gabriel declared to the Maori people of the land, about certain prophecies. These prophecies mention by some of the greatest Maori prophets who lived during the 1800s, prophets like Hipa Te Maiharoa, Te Kooti Rikirangi, Whiti & Tohu, Tawhiao & many other gifted seers. English Translation "O people of the land, hasten unto me, the woman, I have peace, in a while it shall be upon a man, who will take action directly & strongly, without favoritism" "He Ringa Poto He Ringa Kaha" Wi (short for Wiremu) return to your home & take with you the God of your Ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God Issac, the God Jacob, so that the light shall shine among you both & your children. Ancestral Roots [Te Jewry] shalom.kiwi/2016/07/te-jewry/ Hebrews in Meso-America kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnq1YYZ8nN2Gbck kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmKch6Glp9OifJo House of Lehi kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6fGlqBpos6KrLs kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHXUepl_Zquqmck kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJOVYZ2EnbB_oqc Nahom kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2ewh4KMbpeWq6M

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

Great production with reliable facts. I hooe every one interested will please watch Wayne May..

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Wayne's awesome! I've learned so much from! :)

[@rconger24]

​@@MichaelP_IsMe x Yes, and you give excellent "cliff-note versions" of what Wayne presents.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

@@rconger24 I just like to scrunch things down and then refer people to guys like Wayne for the juicy details!

[@fightingfortruth9806]

We should not be looking for DNA matches because God says in Alma 3 that the Lamanites would no longer be the physical seed of Lehi. "I will set a mark upon him that fighteth against thee and thy seed. And again, I say he that departeth from thee shall no more be called thy seed" Alma 3:16-17

[@kingdave1]

Great vid! Well done Michael P.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Thanks, cool Brigham! :)

[@jeff3olsen]

Wouldn't it be so fitting if the elite scholars who push central America have it all wrong and the humble faithful amature researchers have it right? "When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside [or set Joesph Smith aside], supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not." - 2 Nephi 9:28 "Now ye may suppose that this is foolishness in me; but behold I say unto you, that by small and simple things are great things brought to pass; and small means in many instances doth confound the wise. And the Lord God doth work by means to bring about his great and eternal purposes; and by very small means the Lord doth confound the wise and bringeth about the salvation of many souls." - Alma 37:6-7

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Yeah, I think it's good to try to keep an open mind. That's why I try to mention that these are my current opinions and leave it open to new information.

[@PaultheCanadian]

Another very well done video. Thanks Michael.

[@jeannekanooth7981]

Yes! Yes! And how about the idea that the earth was “formed” (not created- ‘matter is neither created nor destroyed’) by elements which have existed eternally. Could God have formed the earth from parts of matter and materials left from previous creations of those ancient dinosaurs, etc?

[@Icriedtoday]

A MUCH MUCH better video than the earlier one wherein I argued with your assumptions about race. But here’s a thought: perhaps the parakeets of the Hopewell were actually the recently-extinct Carolina Parakeet?

[@elainefarr3155]

It’s also true that even central Arizona had parakeets until the US Calvary lived in the Verde Valley and hunted them to extinction. The Yavapai tribes speak of them into the late 1800’s, possibly to 1900.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I think so too. I've read about a few other extinct North American parakeets as well. I'm sure they adapted as the climate got cooler, but eventually died off.

[@jrblack78]

Yay! Keep making more videos! Awesome content!

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

[@sreed6220]

This would make sense as the ancient Redwood and Sequoia forests in the West and Northwest US, were untouched for thousands of years, despite The Book of Mormon mentioning the Jaredites removing trees.. As well as Joseph Smith in his statement when discovering Zelph, that the Prophet Onandagus was known from the Eastern Sea to the Rocky Mountains (but apparently not beyond).

[@kochese75]

This was great, thanks!

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)

[@sandeakilpatrick2386]

I loved it! Thank you for sharing your research.

[@andrewjackson7785]

Excellent video and details.

[@dorston.graves]

There’s nothing wrong with hypothesizing on where all of it happened. It’s fun. I just wish Heartlanders and Meso America enthusiasts would stop trying to “debunk” one another. Just present your case man. Don’t attack the other guy. Friendly fire man.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I agree there's too much of that dividing people. Let opinion be opinion and let it be separate from revelation from the prophets of God.

[@dorston.graves]

@@MichaelP_IsMe My dude…then why are you doing it?!

[@TLMcRae-uu1cz]

@@dorston.graves He is just presenting a theory. Nothing wrong with that. This is how we get to truth.

[@dorston.graves]

@@TLMcRae-uu1cz did you miss all the parts of the theory that were “this couldn’t possibly be in meso America because X” ….. that’s like kinda my whole point? Why does he have to try to tear down one theory to present his own? That’s what I’d like to see less of from both sides. Not just him.

[@TLMcRae-uu1cz]

@@dorston.graves Then don’t watch the videos.

[@markhales7192]

Having written and spoken on this issue since 1997, I agree

[@RilesWoolner]

2 Nephi 5:6 says that when the Nephites were separating themselves from the lamanites, Nephi says he brings Sam, Zoram, his sisters, Jacob, Joseph and all their families "AND all those who would go with me." Indicating there were others who hadn't been named in the record yet, probably indicating those of a pre-existant culture that had since joined the nephite religion. The evidence for the book of mormon having taken place in North America is pretty compelling. Your videos prove that. Most days, If I were asked, I would say that I believe that the book of mormon took place in north america. BUT the one thing I would say is this: Whether it happened in North america or another part of the americas, there IS at least some evidence that the nephites and lamanites intermingled with an already existent population.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I do think they probably had neighbors on nearby islands whom they traded and interacted with. They still had their ship and probably did some exploring, maybe even built other ships to explore. And other cultures on nearby islands probably explored by ship as well. I personally think that's how the Lamanites got darker skin color is simply because they intermarried with other people who had darker skin color, and the Nephites viewed that as a curse. But as far as the land (the isle, or island, of the sea, as Jacob says) that Lehi and his people inhabited, perhaps there were small groups of people living on it who joined them, but not a major civilization like the Mayans. Perhaps a few Jaredites (which included descendants of Ham) traveled away from the Land Northward into the Land Southward to get away from the civil war, because only Coriantumr and Ether survived in the Land Northward, and the Mulekites found Coriantumr when they arrived in the Land Northward.

[@troids117]

Love your work

[@RamathRS]

I can't say for certain, but... if I had to hazars a guess, I would imagine that the West Sea was that way... /points to the west

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Hahaha! In the voice of the brownies from Willow :)

[@RamathRS]

​@@MichaelP_IsMe 😅

[@jeffreybernson7978]

Yeah yeah yeah !!!! You nailed it !!!!! It is the truth !

[@mguggaman]

Do you know if there are other indigenous oral traditions or texts that can corroborate that NA looked a bit more like your depiction with the large west sea? (I recognize that your depiction is just a rough estimate).

[@jerrygrover8992]

⁠So far the continued radiometric dating of Adena mounds does seem to be holding consistent with the 500 BC start date. Of course always better to keep getting as much data as possible. There is also a geological problem with most of the Heartland models as the BOM indicates that the most damage was on the land northward but the land northward proposal including Cumorah are too far away from the New Madrid fault to have the level of shaking needed to collapse buildings in those areas. Plus there is no method for mist of darkness covering both the land northward and southward. There has been observed earthquake smog which is just water vapor as well as some sand blows, but they only occur close to the actual fault. A lot of people propose models just looking for a narrow neck without considering all the necessary parameters for a viable geographical model.

[@kdeltatube]

Nicely done

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

Michael, have you watched/listened to Dr. Chuck Missler's presentations on the Book of Genesis? While he lacks the restored gospel and the many great and marvelous revelatiins that we have access to, he does a remarkable job applying physics, geography, quantum mechanics, and historical documentation- as well as DNA evidence- to disprove evolution from a scienctific perspective. He explains the linguistic features that comport to the Biblical record as accurate, verifiable, logical, and the only viable interpretation of the history and purpose of our Earth. Beware, he dies inadvertently teach false doctrine,but I believe that us inly because he was never taught the whole truth by anyone who genuinely knew and understood the gospel. Like too many out there, he seems to have bought into misrepresentations of Church reachings. But I promise you will love his work and learn a great deal !!

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I'll have to check out his stuff. There's a lot of great evidence out there that people with minds open to The Bible are finding and sharing about the Book of Genesis.

[@andrewreed4216]

The nemenhah records clear up all the confusion. You can find detailed geography in it for the book of Mormon and the nemenhah people

[@redfightblue]

What do you mean? Can you explain how the geography matches?

[@SpencerGibson-vc6fd]

Nice. Well done

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

[@LatterDayChad]

Great video

[@44hawk28]

I'd like to point out to one other slight difference in the Adena and jaredites and how they are differentiated easily from the hopewell. They are much larger stature

[@MrNirom1]

Just one question popped in my mind. In your map... where are the Prophecies of Samuel the Lamanite? Especially when he said: 23 And behold, there shall be great tempests, and there shall be many mountains laid low, like unto a valley, and there shall be many places which are now called valleys which shall become mountains, whose height is great. I am interested in the mountains, whose height is great. Thanks.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I think mountains of great height depends on the height of mountains the Nephites and Lamanites were used to seeing in their area. I live in the Rockies, so when I see mountains out east, they're like hills to me, but then I hear people say that the Rockies in my area are like hills compared to the mountains they live near by. My current opinion is that the Rockies are a lot younger than mainstream science teaches, perhaps even formed or greatly increased during the destruction at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. I could be wrong, but if I remember correctly, I don't recall reading anything in The Book of Mormon about a West Sea after the great destruction. And Joseph Smith's revelation (confirmed by Wilford Woodruff when he was the prophet) about Onandagus and Zelph during the final wars of the Book of Mormon say that Onandagus was known all the way from the Eastern Sea (either Lake Ontario or Atlantic Ocean) to the Rocky Mountains. So I think the destruction drained (at least most of) the West Sea, perhaps created (or at least increased) the Rockies, and made North America look closer like what we see today. And then New Madrid quakes (and perhaps others like around Yellowstone, the Pacific Rim, etc.) that happen every few hundred years since then continued to make North America look like it did when the Europeans arrived and up to our present day.

[@MrNirom1]

@@MichaelP_IsMe Mountains of great Height has to be more than Mountains sprang up. If he is going to use an identifier that states Great Height.... they have to be HIGH.

[@bryanpons6585]

You have away of boiling the info down to it's most essential parts and clearly delivering it. You got skills dude. Girls like guys with skills. (Napoleon dynamite)

[@42N8_1]

I always thought the same thing. North America's geography looked different 2500 years ago. I have found Fossils of sea creatures in central Texas and other Midwest parts of the US.

[@44hawk28]

I am American indian. And I'm telling you right now the Hopewell we're not gone by the 400s ad. Because I am one of them. We are still here. Please pay attention

[@MrNirom1]

Has no one thought that this earth was made in 6 days. Days according to the Lord. And I ask... what had the Lord said a day is to him? 1000 of our years right? And what does the word create mean when it comes to the earth? That it was created out of nothing? No... I don't think so. We are told that a 1000 of our years... is one day to the Lord. Which means what? How is a year determined and how is a day determined? With our planet... a day is the amount of time it takes to make one revolution around it's axis and a year is the amount of time it takes the earth to do ONE Revolution around our sun. And then it would be understood that were God lives... one day is the time it takes for Kolob to revolve on its axis one time. So in the time it takes for Kolob to turn on it's axis one time... it takes the earth to revolve around our sun. So for the earth to be created... God had to take materials that have already existed. And the age of rocks is determined by radiometric dating, which looks at the proportion of two different isotopes in a sample. Radioactive isotopes break down in a predictable amount of time, enabling geologists to determine the age of a sample using equipment like a thermal ionization mass spectrometer. Now I don't fully understand what else contributes to age. If matter was not created but always existed... what make the "age" not all date the same? So when God created the earth and used material already in existence... let say where he made a 1000 other planets and had them rotate around a sun etc... and then use some of the various planets to create ours.... can you see that even if he made this planet 6000 years ago... it would still register the rocks that were used in building this planet as much older than 6000 years?. Here is an simple example. Lets say there were trees that were 1000 years old. You cut them down and you build a house. When someone measures the wood in the house you got finished building and it registers that the wood is 1000 years old... does that mean that the House you built is 1000 years old? NO... you just finished building it... but you used wood that was a 1000 years old. Make sense? So the same applies to the earth. It could have been made 6000 years ago... but used different materials that register it to be millions of years old.... when that is not the truth. And then imagine that from the various planets that the materials were used from could have had dinosaurs that lived on that planet... but not on this one. Does that make sense?

[@tacticplanner7188]

Yes, the Book of Mormon only happened in North America. It is just as the prophet Joseph said I. This land he was never further than southern Canada. You also must consider several apostles and President Nelson in recent addresses saying the Book happened in the land of America as in USA. The evidence has come forth from the ground, and the native Americans will tell you they came from the east. The land of North America was obviously changed after the time of the earthquake and darkness that happened in the record of the Book of Mormon leaving us with what is is today..

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

Yes!

[@mustanggun]

So are you saying after the destruction that happened after Christ was crucified to the Nephite and Lamanite people, the waterway (west sea) was drained so a man could travel to California on foot?

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I don't know if that one event was the only thing, but I think it could have contributed to draining the water. Since New Madrid fault line earthquakes have been estimated to happen every few hundred years, I wouldn't be surprised if every time a series of those quakes happened and the 2 plates collided together, more land would rise and more water would drain. A Cheyenne friend of mine says that his people say the last ice age also happened not nearly as long ago as mainstream science says either. The Cheyenne say it was only a few thousand years ago, and that some of their people got trapped on land further away from the rest of the tribe, and that it would take a few weeks to climb up and across the ice to go visit them, and that as the ice melted, it continued to feed massive bodies of water all over North America as well. And as the Kaw tribe talks about, great earthquakes would cause some of these great bodies of water to drain.

[@joshuadavidson3689]

My assumption from reading 3 Nephi is the land changed practically over night. I've always thought this debate about "the west and east seas, and the north and south" to be kind of funny. I feel like a lot of people underestimate how cataclysmic the earthquakes must have been to transform valleys into mountains, and mountains to become plains; that entire cities were buried under the earth. This would have left their geography being completely changed from what it was before Christ's death.

[@rock5948]

Nice interesting video! I was wondering if you or anyone has done or would do a video on the differences in the names and meaning of the Mayan and Aztecs gods vs the eastern tribes in North America. I've did some research myself and only North America has the meaning "Great Spirit". Here is a few from the Lakota, Algonquian and Haudenosaunee. In the Lakota tradition, the Great Spirit is known as Wakan Tanka. In the Algonquian tradition, the Great Spirit is known as Gitche Manitou. Of the Great Spirit, Aasha Monetoo, who gave the land to the indigenous peoples, the Shawnee in particular. In the Haudenosaunee tradition, the Great Spirit is known as "the Creator.. None of the names nor references in Mayan and Aztecs call their gods, "the Great Spirit." that is the term the Lamanites used as mentioned in the Book of Mormon, Alma 18:5, 18, 26-28 (2-30) and is another witness and evidence to the Heartland model. When we look at the Mayan names for their gods and their meaning we get this but not one meaning "Great Spirit," as that was what the Lamanites called their God, or in other words that was the meaning of the name of their God as mentioned above. Here is a list of Mayan gods, • Itzamna - the creator God • Chaac - the rain god • Yum Kaax - the nature god • Hunab Ku - the one god • Ix Chel - the goddess of medicine and childbirth • Kinich Ahau - the sun god • Ek Chuaj - merchant deity and god of cacao • Kukulkan - the serpent god From the Aztecs we get a list so big I'll just put a few to mention, • Tlaltecayoa, god who is associated with the round earth. • Quetzalcōātl, god of the life, the light and wisdom, lord of the winds and the day, and the lord of the • Tēzcatlīpōca, creator god, lord of darkness, lord of the night, god of battles, and the lord of the North. I feel that this is important to add to your videos as it stands to just strengthen as more evidence of North America as the land of the Jaredites, Nephites and Lamanites. The Hill Cumorah is the Jaredites hill Ramah and the New Jerusalem is going to be built in the same land as the Jaredites, Nephites and Lamanites and the Lord said it shall be built in Independence Missouri. Such revelations we cannot dismiss! So plain we're no one should think different. Thanks for the new video, always enjoy them🙏🏽

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

The book, "He Walked the Americas", goes into it, but other than that, I haven't looked much into it yet. But it's an awesome subject!

[@rock5948]

@@MichaelP_IsMe Yes, I've read through that book.

[@GarySaint-xm6tr]

Proof that the existing recognized dating methods if wrong is found in Utah s Archers National Parks. The park was established in 1973, and since then 44 arches has fallen. It is mathematically impossible for arches in the park to be 190 million years old and yet we just so happen to lbe alive when 44 of them collapse. The most recent one was this month, the famous double arch. The rate of collapse puts the formation of the arches at 2000 to 4000 years ago. I have been on the top of Saint Elizabeth peak in Utah. It is covered with fresh looking sea shells. I mean they look like they were formed recently. Saint Elizabeth peak is over 13 thousand feet tall. This evidence is what scientist say must exist for there to have been a global flood, like the one explained in the Bible. A study that was recently concluded testing the DNA amount known relatives for more than a 200 year period, shows that the mutation rate from one known relative to the next is much more rapid than the idea that we evolved from apes. The research gives us all a set of common ancestors about 6000 years ago, just as the Bible states. The research also puts Haplogroup X during the Book of Mormon timeline. Kenowic man, who has European skeletal features, and who was found in Washington State, has Hoplogroup X. Linguist say that the ah ending in some Algonquin tribes names is definitely Hebrew. Hebrew has not been in existence long enough to make the ancestors of the Algonquin tribes more than a few thousand years ago. The ah in Book of Mormon names is also Hebrew. Amaniah, Nephiah, Moroniah, etc. Having said all of that, Joseph Smith said Zelph was known from the Rocky mountains to the East sea. It has been proven that the arrow head that killed Zelph was from the Yellowstone area, which validates Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon says that the narrow neck of land going into the North country was divided by the seas. This model can only exist in the area of the great lakes. The land North is Michigan

[@nathanaustin2627]

Fantastic! I always wondered that if the Great Lakes model of the Book of Mormon geography were true, then how did Hagoth get to New Zealand? It makes sense now. 😀

[@Christ_in_You-theHope_of_Glory]

I do not believe that parakeets are restricted to tropical climates. In Australia, the open plains and grasslands are the parakeets' original natural habitat

[@rconger24]

Australia has its own set of species.

[@Christ_in_You-theHope_of_Glory]

​@@rconger24 Perhaps ditto for North America 🌎

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

@@Christ_in_You-theHope_of_Glory I agree. They obviously adapted to the cooling climate of North America over the centuries, but eventually died off, with the last known parakeet in the early 1900s. I was just saying they're generally a warm climate bird, but not strictly.

[@Christ_in_You-theHope_of_Glory]

@MichaelP_IsMe Wikipedia says The birds' range collapsed from east to west with settlement and clearing of the eastern and southern deciduous forests. John J. Audubon commented as early as 1832 on the decline of the birds. The bird was rarely reported outside Florida after 1860. The evidence is indicative that humans had at least a contributory role in the extinction of the Carolina parakeet, through a variety of means. Chief was deforestation in the 18th and 19th centuries. Hunting played a significant role, both for decorative use of their colorful feathers, for example, adornment of women's hats, and for reduction of crop predation. This was partially offset by the recognition of their value in controlling invasive cockleburs. Minor roles were played by capture for the pet trade and, as noted in Pacific Standard, by the introduction for crop pollination of European honeybees that competed for nest sites. A factor that exacerbated their decline to extinction was the flocking behavior that led them to return to the vicinity of dead and dying birds (such as birds downed by hunting), enabling wholesale slaughter. The final extinction of the species in the early years of the 20th century is somewhat of a mystery, as it happened so rapidly. Vigorous flocks with many juveniles and reproducing pairs were noted as late as 1896, and the birds were long-lived in captivity, but they had virtually disappeared by 1904. Sufficient nest sites remained intact, so deforestation was not the final cause. American ornithologist Noel F. Snyder speculates that the most likely cause seems to be that the birds succumbed to poultry disease, although no recent or historical records exist of New World parrot populations being afflicted by domestic poultry diseases. The modern poultry scourge Newcastle disease was not detected until 1926 in Indonesia, and only a subacute form of it was reported in the United States in 1938. As well, genetic research on samples did not show any significant presence of bird viruses (though this does not solely rule out disease)

[@gemelindacjp7976]

I like a lot of the points in this video, but I disagree that The Book of Mormon clearly states that Lehi's family did not find any other people here.

[@rconger24]

​@adamkhan4451x Please tell how these are _not_ Lehites? 53 _Now when the people of Antipus saw that the Lamanites had turned them about, they gathered together their men and came again upon the rear of the Lamanites. 54 And now it came to pass that we, the people of Nephi, the people of Antipus, and I with my two thousand, did surround the Lamanites, and did slay them; yea, insomuch that they were compelled to deliver up their weapons of war and also themselves as prisoners of war._

[@michelegraham1181]

I was wondering where you think the land where the dissenters is. The BOM says they traveled northward to a barren land because people before used up all the timber, so they learned to build from cement. If the BOM took place in North America, where would that place be?

[@fightingfortruth9806]

That would be somewhere in Quebec and and eastern Ontario, some of the most lush and forested areas on planet earth.

[@redfightblue]

That chapter was written in Ethiopia and is describing Egypt. The key is the word "desolation" in Helaman 3:6. Read Jeremiah 44 to understand why the Nephites believed Egypt was a "desolation". This was their downfall. They migrated back to Egypt and that's where they were destroyed. Lehi left Israel and migrated to Egypt. It's a 3 day journey from the Red Sea to the Nile River. Lehi could not stay in Egypt or he would be destroyed (Read Jeremiah 44). The Tree of Life Vison showed him the destruction of the Jaredites when they migrated to Egypt. It also commanded Lehi to follow the river to it's "head" where the Garden of Eden is. This is obviously Ethiopia because Ethiopia is the source of the Nile and the location of the Garden of Eden according to Genesis 2:13. Lehi went South then East. This is describing following the Nile to the convergence of the Blue and White Nile then taking the Blue Nile East to Ethiopia. Nahom is an Ethiopian baby name. It's the Ethiopian version of Nahum. Ethiopians also eat a raw meat delicacy called "kitfo". Many Jews made this migration. They are called Ethiopian Jews. They've been going back and forth from Ethiopia to Israel since al least King Solomon. You can read about the Queen of Sheba in the Bible. Also look into the story of Menelik from the Kebra Nagast. Lehi did not sail to America. His sailing voyage was a circumnavigation of Africa. He ended where he started, in Egypt. The Book of Mormon takes place in Africa. They had no knowledge of America. The Narrow Neck of Land is the Isthmus of Suez. The Northward river is the Nile. The Nephites were Ethiopian Jews and lived in the highlands of Ethiopia above Egypt. The Land of Nephi and the Land of Manti are in, and around Ethiopia. The Land of Zarahemla is North which places it in the Sahara (often spelled Zahara). Helaman 3 is describing Egypt. The Sahara is "treeless". They build stone buildings and they ship Cedar from Lebanon. Egypt is "North" of Ethiopia and Egypt used to be "Desolation". This is NOT describing Canada. It's a perfect description of Egypt from the Ethiopian Jews perspective. Returning to Egypt is going against the logic presented in the Tree of Life Vision and this eventually leads to the destruction of the Nephites. This is why the angel describes the destruction of the Nephites in relationship to the Tree of Life Vision in 1 Nephi 12. Verse 16 claims it will happen in the river from the vision. This is the Nile and it happens in Egypt. The Jaredites were Ethiopians from the time of Genesis. They migrated North down the Nile to Egypt and then sailed to Israel. They brought the Milk and Honey. In Ether 9:3 they begin to go South to Egypt. The "Narrow Neck of Land" in Ether 10:20 is Egypt. They build large and spacious buildings (Ether 10:5) and they wear fine linen (Ether 10:24). Read Ether 12:23-26 to learn about "mocking". The Jaredites are the "prophets of old" that left Israel before Lehi. When Lehi gets to Egypt and has the Tree of Life vision, he sees the Jaredites. He knows they were destroyed in Egypt. Lehi crossed the "Narrow Neck of Land in 3 days to arrive at the location that the Jaredites built their cities. He sees their large buildings in the vision. He sees their fine linen in the vision. He sees the Jaredites downfall in Egypt just as it is written in Jeremiah 44. He sees them mocking the faithful. Lehi follows the command of the vision and migrates back to the Garden of Eden. He migrates back to Ethiopia. Lehi is an Ethiopian Jew and the Book of Mormon takes place in Africa.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

I currently think it was north of the Great Lakes. Yes, it's lush and forested now, but it's had 2000 years to replenish. 2000 years ago, during the time of the Adena/Jaredites, they could have exhausted their resources, especially during times of war and their final civil war, leaving little timber behind. Then when the Hopewell/Nephites moved up there, they built mostly out of earth and cement, letting trees grow, as The Book of Mormon says. The Hopewell knew how to make very strong cement that a jackhammer has to be used to break through it today. Then 1500 years later when the Europeans arrive, the area has had plenty of time to become a lush, forested area again. The land of Desolation was a land that had been depleted because of the Jaredites, not because it was naturally that way. The Puebloan deserts of the southwest US and Mexico are naturally desolate and were probably never a lush, forested area during the time of the Jaredites and Nephites. And the plains of the midwest were once covered with water and have rock formations left behind that only form under water.

[@redfightblue]

@@MichaelP_IsMe What about shipping? There's no evidence of any shipping at the time. No ports, no harbors, no ship building. It's well documented that Egypt shipped Cedar from Lebanon. Coupled with the Bible actually naming Egypt as "desolation" makes it obvious that it is an Ethiopians perspective on Egypt. The Nephites were Ethiopian Jews with knowledge of the Bible. The Jaredites are the people Lehi sees in the Tree of Life Vision. How they came to Egypt and the large buildings they built is described in more detail in the Book of Ether. The theme of the Book of Mormon is that destruction happens in Egypt. It is the Nile Lehi sees in the vision that guides him to Ethiopia where the Tree of Life is. Genesis 2:13. The angel claims the Nephites will be destroyed on the "same" river as the one in the Tree of Life Vision 1 Nephi 12:16. What is your theory on that important river that flows from the Tree of Life past the destruction of the Nephites? It makes perfect sense if it is the Nile. Flowing out of Ethiopia down to Egypt. The Northward migration to "desolation" in Helaman 3 is from Ethiopia to Egypt where the Nephites will eventually be destroyed, just like the Jaredites.

[@dustinkearl]

Very very correct.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

So North American native Americans would only be Lamanite seed under this theory. I'm curious where is the great restoration of the gospel and prospering happening with these people today that was prophecied?

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

No, the descendants of the Jaredites, Lehites, and Mulekites have had 4200 years to spread all over the Americas. Temple dedicatory prayers from Canada to Peru to New Zealand mention the seed of Lehi / Lamanites. However, North American natives were the first ones whom God told Joseph Smith to teach the Book of Mormon to in 1830/1831 though, and even though the Indian Removal Act of 1830 was an absolute horrible thing, it put many tribes right on the other side of Missouri where the New Jerusalem will be, which Jesus says in 3 Nephi that they will build and the gentiles will assist them. A blessing in disguise, kind-of like the Church being forced further west in the 1830s-40s. It was a horrible thing, but because of it, the Church was spared from being in the Civil War in the 1860s. So when the time comes to build the New Jerusalem in Independence, Missouri, the descendants of the Lamanites are just across the border ready to take charge of the project. And I also believe that's why so many Latin Americans feel drawn to cross the U.S. border as well.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

The Book of Mormon is consistent about groups moving to the north, not to the south. Alma 63 talks about several groups going northward. Your South expansion theory is not supported in the Book of Mormon.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Genetically speaking, the people coming from central and south America are not the same as the native Americans in North America. There is a distinct difference between Inca, Mayan, and Aztec people descendants, from north American Indians. We can trace the origin of these people to distinct geographical regions to the south. The indigenous American people BY A HUGE margin that are receiving the gospel today are not North American Indian tribes. NA Indians are not the ones fulfilling BoM prophecy, Latin Americans are.

[@KnightWriter13]

Somewhere written, A Master once said " Be like me, do not worship me." - : Jesus

[@brucelloyd7496]

I have watched about 10 of Michael Evan's YT videos. He does a good job, but this theory has a problem with a Nephite journey of a day and a half in Alma 22 and only a day about 60 years later in Helaman because the Nephites had improved (probably added a road) this narrow strip of wilderness between the West Sea and the east (assumed but doesn't say East Sea). I need to read again Alma 22. To his credit, Michael P mentions 3 possible narrow necks, but doesn't mention Hagoth. "Isles of the sea" are mentioned 8 times and "isle of the sea" is mentioned only once in 2 Nephi 10:20 20 And now, my beloved brethren, seeing that our merciful God has given us so great knowledge concerning these things, let us remember him, and lay aside our sins, and not hang down our heads, for we are not cast off; nevertheless, we have been driven out of the land of our inheritance; but we have been led to a better land, for the Lord has made the sea our path, and we are upon an isle of the sea.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

If the Book of Mormon only happened in North America, that means that Latin Americans are not descendants of the Lamanites and Columbus is not the guy Nephi saw in his vision since he never landed in North America. Is that what you're saying?

[@shanermcdoogle]

In my opinion, John Eliot was more likely the man that Nephi beheld in vision than Columbus. He was a puritan a missionary from England, which country was the “mother gentiles”that fought against the colonists during the revolutionary war. Columbus was sponsored and sent from Spain. Eliot traveled to to Americas and landed in Massachusetts in 1631. He was known as the “Apostle to the Indians,” he translated the first Bible in America into their native language of Algonquin, he organized more than a dozen Indian villages and loved the native American people. He also believed the Indians were descendants of the Israelites. His was a marvelous story, but often overshadowed by Columbus, whose name was revered as the discoverer of America. There is much more about Eliot that is fascinating.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

No, I think some Nephites/Lamanites/Jaredites definitely traveled down to Latin American countries over the last 4200 years and have descendants down there. There are temple dedicatory prayers and other quotes from prophets mentioning descendants of Lehi in Latin American countries.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

@@shanermcdoogle Yes, I always thought it was Columbus too, but when I heard of John Eliot, I lean more towards him, since he was a friend/missionary to the indigenous people, while Columbus was not.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

No. I think Columbus/Colon makes more sense. 1 Nephi 13 strongly implies he was the discoverer of Lehi's seed, because the rest of the Gentiles (nations, not necessarily non-Israelite people) follow him. Also Colon's journal talks of how he was inspired by the Holy Spirit, exactly how Nephi describes him. The word, Colony comes from Colon's name. He is recognized worldwide for his discovery of America. Nephi would be pointing us to obvious famous men like Colon.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Also, Nephi promised that the Lamanite seed would be scattered and smitten by the Gentiles, so if Colon participated in that he would certainly be doing God's work.

[@SJHollist]

I think you are onto something. All that water in the middle of the continent could also help contribute to a warmer climate. It's the same reason that California has a moderate climate.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Mayan pyramids look like Egyptian pyramids which makes perfect sense since the house of Joseph came out of Egypt and would have passed on these building techniques in Lehi's seed, their descendants.

[@redfightblue]

The Book of Mormon describes temples like King Solomon's. There's no examples of Jews building pyramids. Jews were an entirely different religion and culture than Egyptians and they did not build pyramids. If we saw pyramids all over Israel then maybe you'd have a point.

[@tomaswmitchellphotography]

Hmm Mayan pyramids look nothing like Egyptian pyramids. They do though look just like pyramids in India and parts of Asia.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Northern Israel is a different group than than Judah to the south. This group developed as an Egyptian province during and before Moses. They had a very similar culture to Egypt. The Book of Mormon comes from that same culture because it is a Josephite record, not a Judahite record. They had strong Egyptian cultural ties.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

I believe that ancient Egyptian culture (which became north Israeli culture) spread all over the earth, even into Asia. That's why we find pyramids everywhere. That was the promise of Abraham and Jacob. Wherever you find pyramids, you find Israelites.

[@tomaswmitchellphotography]

@@fightingfortruth9806 well there are and were earth pyramids built by the Hopewell and Adena cultures, that better match the Israelite culture. You see stairs were forbidden in temple structures of ancient Israel, so was making alters out of cut stone. We know the Nephites were practicing the Law of Moses up until Christ came to them so any Book of Mormon era Nephite temples need to match the Law of Moses. We find those in the Hopewell culture. I do agree with you that Israelites were scattered among the nations, those people quit practicing the law of Moses though and took up pagan Egyptian religions.

[@Tera4m]

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[@jimmatheson948]

Continental uplift is spoken of in the mythos of the Inuit legends ...

[@roberthawthorne8396]

If the Eastern Sea was "Definitely" Lake Ontario, then it is only logical to say the Western Sea was Lake Erie, with a narrow stretch of land between them as is stated in the BoM.

[@DouglasArmstrong-d4n]

I'm open to the fact the what took place in the book of Mormon could have very well happened in the middle eastern united states. And Joseph Smith might not have mentioned America's. But the introduction page of the Book of Mormon states this The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God’s dealings with ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains the fulness of the everlasting gospel. So it states right there the America's.

[@BrianTerrill]

The Book of Mormon says the entire face of the land was changed was referring exclusively to the land Northward, north of Bountiful. Heartlanders take a lot of liberties with really bad pseudoscience and a poor interpretation of the face of the land changes Mormon m3ntioned to achieve their models

[@kellyharward9322]

I don’t think we know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before the fall.

[@sotl97]

I really like UM Science, but I don't see it as proving the earth is only 11,000 years old, but rather that the flood happened.

[@kellyharward9322]

I think your conclusion that “ The book of Mormon is clear on that“ there were no other groups that the Nephites and Lamanites merged with is very possibly incorrect. The numbers of Lamanites even in the early battles would make one conclude that there were other groups or cultures that joined with the Lamanites.

[@kellyharward9322]

I think your conclusion that “ The book of Mormon is clear on that“ there were no other groups that the Nephites and Lamanites merged with is very possibly incorrect. The numbers of Lamanites even in the early battles would make one conclude that there were other groups or cultures that joined with the Lamanites.😊

[@fightingfortruth9806]

According to Heartlanders. Quebec and Ontario is where Desolation would be, one of the most wooded places on earth. Go look at photos. They still had no timber a hundred years after the Jaredites were gone so they had to build houses out of cement. Is there any evidence for this? There are lots of cement and stone builder civilizations in the American southwest.

[@brentknudson311]

Ontario is wooded now, but that doesn't mean it was always like that. If you look at pictures of Hill Cumorah from the late 1800's, it is barren. But if you look at it now, it's covered in trees. 2000 years ago the climate of North America was likely very different than it is now. We know the Sahara Desert was much greener and lush back during the Roman times (which lines up fairly will with Book of Mormon times), but now it's arid and dry. So it's not wise to assume that because Canada is wooded now, that it was just as wooded 2000 years ago.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Do you have a photograph of the hill cumorah from the 1820s? Do you have scientific evidence that Canada was not wooded 2000 years ago? You Heartlanders literally just make things up don't you?

[@geoffshelley2427]

I'll keep saying it, find the sunken city of Moroni and the city of Lehi.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

So under your theory, Latin Americans came from Southeast Asia, and are not Lamanite descendants. So all the Latin Americans getting baptized today and coming into North America have nothing to do with the the prophecy of the seed of Lehi?

[@dr.crazyco2916]

I’m not sure about this one

[@andrewlee5421]

Where do you get the information about the ancient inlet of the sea from the Gulf of Mexico to St Louis Missouri? I cannot find that information.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

It's a story among the Kaw tribe.

[@andrewlee5421]

@MichaelP_IsMe where can I read about it?

[@Tk.utelab]

Lake Michigan

[@44hawk28]

The barcom Mormon does not exclude any other people already being here Other than the jaredites. There may have been other groups here many of the tribes in the Western United States were already here and there may have been some that were already in the eastern United States area. It is relatively silent about it but it does not say there were not others. Please be clear on that. Which you stated that there were no others other than the lamanites, nephites, and mulekites. That might be so, but the Book of Mormon is not clear on whether or not there were not others. The fact that the black tribes of Western Africa were trading with the Central American Indians and some of the South East American Indians and the fact that Jekyll Island had a group of carthaginians living on it, is evidence that some other people were here. There's even evidence that people were coming over from Central Europe on rare occasions as far back as the year 800 if they were coming then they may have been coming earlier because even King Sargon states that there was land known to be west of the Azores

[@bigtobacco1098]

No Egyptian inscriptions in America

[@bigtobacco1098]

No assyrian inscriptions in America

[@bigtobacco1098]

The dna had trace amounts of European X hallo group from the 1500's on...

[@xirtus]

*slow applause*

[@jimmatheson948]

Or Moses took notes from God's lectures over a period of six days ... imo

[@fightingfortruth9806]

The NA Indians lived alongside the Mayan. So you're saying that there was another, even more advanced civilization living next door to the Book of Mormon that the BoM authors never even mentioned? That is absurd.

[@MichaelP_IsMe]

The Adena and Hopewell were just as advanced as the Mayan - their mathematics, science, astronomy. They just chose to build more from earth and wood, and less from stone. Plus, if these ancient seaways were there during the time of the Book of Mormon, it doesn't mean they didn't know about the Mayan, but they would have been separated from them by sea.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Megalithic building is the proof in the pudding to measure how advanced a civilization is. If they had the tech, they would have used it. What utter hogwash.

[@googlefriend8410]

Any and all information and knowledge is good. I agree with the Hopewell mound builders are the B of M people, all the current archeology and Native American records and oral history are supporting this. But there are many gaps in our knowledge. We know of many more migrations than are mentioned in the Bible and B of M. And there may have been native populations as a result of continental drift, and for all we know alien migrations who also were tribes of God. We don't know. We only have some of the pieces to a grand multidimensional puzz!e. We have to remember that God is the ultimate scientist. We tend to think in three dimensional ways. We forget that God lives in multiple dimensions at the same time. Look at the stars, the vastness of the universe. The light that we see in the night sky has taken millions of our years to reach earth. It is real time to us but actually God sees it in the actual time it is happening from each point of light. And we also know that there exists in conjunction with this other dimentions. We know that there was a pre-existence, dimentions of post resurrection of different degrees. God has stated that he has created many mansions.Mind blowing, I know. He showed this to many prophets... Moses, Abraham, Brother of Jered, etc. Moses was shown every particle of the earth and every person (soul) that would ever live on the earth and those that rejected God and were tossed out with Satan. God could never explain to us how this all works, but He knows. God may very well use some form of evolution to prepare the earth. We don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden in a terrestrial state until the original sin was committed; could have been millions of years but the instant the sin was committed, the earth changed into a tells still state where there was both pain and joy, life and death, reproduction, etc. The point is, we should always strive to want to know true history. It is important to know who and where the B of M people were, how they lived, and who they are today as covenant people. I appreciate the work you guys do. And the me soda Rican model? Who says they are not part of an AP ostracized culture of God/Jesus? We may find out as I have heard of late of a Polynesian model and a Chinese model that beloved in Christ that predated the old testament. Many new books and scriptures are probably out there, testifying of Christ. Sorry I totally went out in Space on this. But like I think it was Moses or Abraham that said something like... Now I know that man is so small and insignificant in the whole scheme of things. But then again God said... Behold, this is my work and my glory. Again, I apologize for going out there.

[@satherfilms220]

19:01 I know there’s a big collision between science and religion. Conflict over who or what created everything and etc. I have a firm belief that not a lot of people will agree with, but my belief is that if God made everything, then wouldn’t he have made the fundamental laws of the universe? Wouldn’t he have created science? Because if god created everything that means he did. So that means God used science to create everything. Which means that the 7 days in heaven could well have lasted trillions of years for all we know. Or more likely is seven periods of time that got progressively shorter as time went on and as the world was created. Such a marvel if divine power is incomprehensible to our mortal brain, but God is immortal so he would’ve had all the time in the universe to create everything. We see it as magic or divine power because we lack the understanding of the power god used to create everything. Electricity used to be viewed as magic until we found an understanding. Now it’s just a simple concept to us. It’s probably the same way, and we won’t have an understanding of Gods power until after the second coming. I don’t know if it makes sense to y’all but it makes sense to me. Why vilify science vs religion when god made all things.

[@FromAgonyToLight]

No mention of cold in the entirety of the Book of Mormon, hehehe

[@DavidAlexander-German-xf4wv]

on the contrary, Alma mentions hot climate and diseases because of the climate.

[@FromAgonyToLight]

@@DavidAlexander-German-xf4wv indeed

[@44hawk28]

The Bible does not teach that mankind is only 6000 years old. It states that Adam was created about 6000 years ago. But Adam is not the first man according to the bible. Please read your Bible. First of all in the original Hebrew it doesn't say that man created the heavens and the Earth in Genesis 1:1. It says he's reorganizing what had become chaotic. It also States in Genesis 1 that mankind has already been created before Genesis 2 comes along and Adam is creating. Adam is the first red man. He had already created the other five races according to ancient scriptures that were known to be existent at the time the Bible was first written.

[@ClintOrris]

18:03 Close! Earth itself is FAR older than 6,000-13,000 years. But this cycle is 6,000-13,000 years so far. Proof? That's when the Younger Dryas took place. That was a part of the "creation" phase. Time did not "start" at the end of creation, it "started" a long time before that. Things lived and existed before then. Humans existed before that, and the "server" had to be wiped clean. Sometimes the Matrix gets reboot. Multiple times. Genesis even talks about the multiple reboots.

[@rconger24]

Please let us know how Genesis tells us about "multiple reboots" !

[@brentknudson311]

I like your other videos, but this one is a stretch. I don't think using the Bible as a source to determine the actual age of the Earth makes much sense. It wasn't written with that purpose in mind, and I don't think it does us any favors to treat it like it has a iron clad chronology. The Bible's strength is in its messages and lessons, not it's accurate description of how old the earth is and how it was actually created. That's not to say that modern science has all the answers and shouldn't be questioned, but it feels like a massive stretch to think that most of the North American continent was covered by water during the time of the BoM.

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

Friend, I believe the Bible is very clear on this point. Or do you suggest we just pick and choose the sacred parts and dismiss the parts science hasn't proven... yet.

[@brentknudson311]

The bible is great, as far as it is translated correctly. I definitely don't think it's a very good source to make accurate claims about the actual age of the earth. It never was intended to be used that way. The church doesn't claim that either. You are free to believe what you want, but I definitely don't believe that the earth is 6000 years old (or even 13000 years old).

[@rconger24]

I promote the revelations. No modern instruments were there to support "mainstream" theories. It's speculation built on assumption. To many professors are caught up in their prestige the glory if tge world and discount The Glory of God. Their outlook and attitude is given in 2nd Nephi 27:15 . Hosannahs!

[@ryannilsson7955]

A young earth is corroborated by the revelations of Joseph Smith (see D&C 77:6). Joseph Smith also taught, “The world has had a fair trial for six thousand years; the Lord will try the seventh thousand Himself;” (Teachings of the Proohet Joseph Smith, p. 252).

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

@@ryannilsson7955 True.

[@jasonbare3472]

So when did the monkey hybrids come into being?

[@michaeldunwoody3629]

That's what they were up to in China to create Covid...

[@ramonaringer]

The way I read it, it starts out in Israel, then goes east over to India, then launches boats in the bay of many waters, continues on through the Pacifi ocean, then they land some place in South America, describes a few distinct places like Panama, and the great plains of North American.

[@ramonaringer]

PACIFIC

[@rconger24]

The one proven is Indian&Atlantic. Philip Beale did it.

[@paulblack1799]

Oh great... another guy who thinks earth 🌎🌍 was created a week ago Tuesday. 😂

[@rconger24]

What do you think?

[@bret3039]

The Bible is not a record of how and when the Earth was created.

[@Glissandola]

Learn more about geography and how dates are determined. There are a lot of good reasons to believe that the earth really is 4.5 billion years old. The various dates of dinosaur bones and inland seas are based on several sources of evidence--they're not just stabs in the dark.

[@shanermcdoogle]

Radiometric dating, to include radiocarbon dating, have serious flaws. There are more town 150 peer-reviewed papers that document soft tissue in 65 million year old dinosaurs to 400 million year old worms. How can that be? Based on known decay rates, this isn’t possible unless those tissues and bones are actually only 1000’s of years old. Using radiometric dating, we can’t even accurately measure the known age of rocks.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Dinosaur bones do not exist. We have "fossils", many so-called dinosaurs are determined based on a few fossil fragments, using the imagination of scientists. You want to go down the rabbit hole, look into the fraud history of the Spinosaurus.

[@TrentsPolitical]

I’d look more into dinosaur bones if I was you. Skin tissues have been found on dinosaur bones plenty of times. I don’t know if you know this but skin tissues don’t last millions of years even under good natural conditions. Even under harsh natural conditions such as extreme heat, we have found dinosaur tissues.

[@richarner3856]

No need to speculate about a work of fiction

[@rconger24]

How do you get past the Hebrew literary form of Chiasmus? No, to call The Book of Mormon "fiction" is uninformed. And there are many many other fields of inquiry, not just Chiasmus.

[@bryanpons6585]

Did your Mother not teach you to not say anything if you can't play nice with others? OK I guess I'll bite. I don't think fiction as a form of writing existed when Nephi, Mosiah, Mormon and Moroni recorded their history. So fiction? No evidence for it. History? More evidence all the time. Even if the Smithsonian hides most of it. Your speculating is my hypothesizing. Rational/optimism has just entered the building. No need for a rebuttal. I didn't write this for you. I wrote it for optimistic realists. 💡💡💡

[@Jozeemoss]

Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies.