WHICH AIRPLANE IS BETTER? | Cirrus SR22T vs Diamond DA62 Comparison

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@luczipkin
@luczipkin 4 жыл бұрын
A bunch of people commenting are talking about how it's "apples and oranges" or something. In reality, it's not. I saw some comments about a multi-engine rating costing $10,000. Sure, but when you're torn between a $1 million and a $1.4 million airplane, is a 1% difference going to sway your decision? I saw a comment about the engines being less serviceable. It's a brand new airplane and the point is to have it serviced at the factory-approved service centers. It's not like people buying Stinson 108s with Franklin engines; service still exists and the Austro engines are far more common than one might think. I also saw a comment talking about how a comparison between a DA-50 and SR22T and the Baron and the DA62 is more apt. I disagree. First of all, the DA-50 isn't even in public use yet, so there's no way of knowing how it would perform in the real world. While the DA-50RG (by the first look, anyways) seems to compete more with the SR22T, I don't think the Baron and DA62 fit the same customer. The Baron customer is looking for a more tried-and-true airframe, and the DA62 customer is concerned about efficiency, safety, and performance- the same things the Cirrus customer is looking for. Notice that the fuel burn on these two airplanes are very similar, the speed below 14k is very similar, and in the DA62 you get twin-engine safety with the options that liquid cooling provides (no shock cooling danger on descent, for one.) Ultimately, I think I'd have the DA62 - I prefer to fly away from my engine failures buying a new engine from Austria than falling into school parking lots, $1 million down the gutter, and climbing out all bruised up.
@LifeStyleAviation
@LifeStyleAviation 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis, Luc! Yes, we created this video because clients are coming to us to compare these two modern planes more than any others. While a typical twin-engine wouldn't be an obvious comparison, seeing as the DA62 is FADEC controlled (and has just two levers for engine management, as opposed to having 6 with prop and mixture) our clients tell us the DA62 is as easy to fly as any single-engine airplane. We hope this video helps potential owners to evaluate both choices. Thanks for your thoughtful response!
@MegaGuitarpicker
@MegaGuitarpicker 4 жыл бұрын
The difference between $1 million and 1.4 million is 1%? Not on my calculator.
@luczipkin
@luczipkin 4 жыл бұрын
@@MegaGuitarpicker The difference in training costs is 1% of the Cirrus' purchase price. Obviously the DA62 is far more expensive.
@blakesides6558
@blakesides6558 4 жыл бұрын
@@luczipkin Every single Diamond is a maintenance nightmare. That 400k difference is far more than just the 400k. The maintenance costs will be through the roof. Not only that, it's a new airplane so the problems are gonna compile. Cirrus is the only airplane on the market that the prices of used planes have increased since the pandemic. That speaks volumes.
@Dudeisthere
@Dudeisthere 4 жыл бұрын
@@luczipkin You cant compare two airplanes that are that far apart in terms of pricing and fall in two completely different categories (single vs. multi engine piston). Calling a 40% price difference "insignificant" or saying that "it doesnt matter that much" is ludicrous, the DA62 will be much more expensive to buy, whether youre getting it outright or through financing doesnt matter, 40% is 40%. Now you have the airplane, as pointed out in the Video the DA62 doesnt fit in your standard hangar so you have to figure that out, due to its higher MTOW and the fact its twin engined landing/hangar fees are going to be much more expensive in many countries, two engines also means maintenance for two engines, etc. The depreciation question cant really be answered, but i have seen that big, complex and capable twins are dirt cheap over here because they are maintenance nightmares, lets just hope that the DA62 doesnt fall into that category in some years. So as a big Diamond fan myself, the DA50RG is the competitor here, this is literally like comparing a Mercedes C-class with a BMW X5.
@911kmr
@911kmr 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I went through the same analysis 3 years ago and picked the Diamond DA62, because the advantages you highlighted were important to me. The modern engines were at the top of my list, followed by the useful load, efficiency, excellent handling and quality. 900 hours later, I know I made the right choice.
@ramezqubain8177
@ramezqubain8177 4 жыл бұрын
Great unique selling points for the da62, however The new da50 might be the more suitable model to compare to the sr22
@Openwrt2023
@Openwrt2023 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@LifeStyleAviation
@LifeStyleAviation 4 жыл бұрын
Great thought, Ramez! However, the DA50 is not currently a buying option and won't be in the US for some time. When it is, expect plenty of great content that will feature that airframe. :)
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891
@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891 4 жыл бұрын
No I think the DA 62 is closer. Because of safety aspects. Twin Engine vs. Parachute. The DA 50 is single engine and got no Parachute. The range is also less on the DA 50. So I think the better choice will be the DA 62.
@ictpilot
@ictpilot 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.ginnationfunlifestyle3891 Thank God no parachute on the DA- 50.
@petert3343
@petert3343 2 жыл бұрын
@@ictpilot It's optional, certainly on the DA50 RG
@Nghilifa
@Nghilifa 4 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison! If I had the money to spare, I'd go with the Diamond. - Two Engines (so there's some redundancy there) - FADEC controlled engines greatly reduce pilot workload - More fuel efficient below 14k - Jet A1 is cheaper than AVGAS - Greater payload capacity - Longer range
@superchargedpetrolhead
@superchargedpetrolhead 4 жыл бұрын
The only problem with both of these airplane is that i can't afford one.... It is a great analogy that you did with engines, exactly no one would go to a dealership and order a new car and then request the dealer to put a WW2 era engine in it, that is what most GA airplanes are. Even worse most GA airplanes were designed in last century when none of the modern safety standards and requirements that these modern airplanes had to pass to get certified existed. One important thing you missed is how many passengers you can carry on these, the da62 would beat the cirrus in that as well. Overall both are great airplanes and i wish more manufacturers would move towards diesel engines like the diamond... Cheers guys.
@rob6231981
@rob6231981 4 жыл бұрын
You're failing to account for the airplanes' useful load. Just because you have 6 seats doesn't mean you can fill them and meet book performance. You won't. That's what makes the Cirrus the better airplane for MOST missions. I can take 3 passengers plus bags and full fuel, and be right at max gross with a midrange CG. Solo, I can go FMY-BUF nonstop in a touch over 5 hours. Fill the seats, and I can still take full fuel, but I split the flight into two legs for my passengers bladders. Plus, it takes too long at max gross to get to FL200 or higher.
@misham6547
@misham6547 3 жыл бұрын
What safety standards where added to aircraft after the 60's except ADS-B? The cirrus only has the CAPS system because it had an unstable wing at low speeds
@chancegregg
@chancegregg 4 жыл бұрын
This is no comparison... y’all are definitely selling the DA62 😉
@LoneWolf-wu6yn
@LoneWolf-wu6yn 3 жыл бұрын
They are heavily biased towards the DA-62, but I thought they were fair.
@sfkim44
@sfkim44 2 жыл бұрын
DA62 cost a lot more then SR22T
@EmeryE2
@EmeryE2 Жыл бұрын
@@sfkim44 cuz it’s a twin engine why would a twin engine be the same price as the single engine
@sfkim44
@sfkim44 Жыл бұрын
@Plane crash nation I know.
@da62owner86
@da62owner86 4 жыл бұрын
I do love my DA62. My wife and I chose it over a Cirrus. Useful load was a significant factor in our choice as we (uncommonly) fly our plane often near gross. Both airplanes have a modern safety envelop that many older GA airplanes would be jealous of. Comparing these two airplanes is a bit difficult as the true mission profile of the two airplanes are different. I’m pretty confident most pilots would smile and say yes to any offer to fly either airplane. Thanks for the video.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 4 жыл бұрын
I'd certainly lean toward the Diamond; burning Jet-A is a huge plus in some places.
@misham6547
@misham6547 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but maintenance and fixing it might a problem in the us
@tomivanov3635
@tomivanov3635 4 жыл бұрын
When we were buying an airplane, we were torn between both planes. They are pretty comparable besides the single vs multi engine. But at the end of the day we went with the DA62. Very easy to fly, FADEC is awesome.
@latenightthinker4737
@latenightthinker4737 3 жыл бұрын
It really makes you appreciate the work that Diamond has put into their aircraft
@gavinhalm3016
@gavinhalm3016 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the takeoff/landing distance (ft) for the Cirrus is 1517/1178, whereas the Diamond is 2897/2556...so, you can get in and out of much smaller airfields with the Cirrus, which I could see being a big factor for some.
@SerendipitySailTime
@SerendipitySailTime 4 жыл бұрын
I just did this comparison & bought a used SR-22T. For me, the service was more readily available, it fit in many of the hangars on the field & I could almost buy 2 2014 Cirrus for the price of the least expensive used DA-62s. Parts seem less expensive & more readily available & there is a Cirrus service center on my field. The insurance was less expensive on the Cirrus for me as well. I really like the DA-62, but will wait while they become more of a player. The DA-62 flew fantastic & is a great plane.
@885wc
@885wc 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! That was a lovely conundrum to have and no wrong choice. Clear skies and safe flying.
@rob6231981
@rob6231981 4 жыл бұрын
This. And congratulations. I also just purchased a 2014 SR22T, today in fact. I will soon be welcoming N520CT to my hangar.
@garyggarner7738
@garyggarner7738 4 жыл бұрын
I would be happy with either Aircraft. However, to me the Diamond DA 62 would be my choice of Aircraft! Latest Technology, liquid cooled engines, larger, and I believe the “biggest Bang for the Buck!” I love everything about the Diamond DA 62!! Thank You for an Outstanding Comparison!!
@Cogzed
@Cogzed 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I didn't hear mentioned... You'll need to get your dual engine rating with the Diamond. Obviously.
@munggone
@munggone Ай бұрын
I was a CFI at a major Flight School in Florida… We had a Diamond DA-62 in our fleet… What I remember most about it was… that it was constantly in the maintenance hanger with something broken and being repaired… I was told also that parts were more expensive, and they took longer to get shipped in… Our other twins were Piper Seminoles, and they were flying every day…
@j.r.777
@j.r.777 4 жыл бұрын
Ironically, these are the 2 planes that I want the most.
@mrbasfed1948
@mrbasfed1948 3 жыл бұрын
Choose one of them don't be greedy.
@gsxr1kmatt
@gsxr1kmatt 4 жыл бұрын
Good info! But This was the weirdest "who's he talking to" video I've ever seen.
@LifeStyleAviation
@LifeStyleAviation 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! We will take this into account when filming our next video!
@user8ZAKC1X6KC
@user8ZAKC1X6KC 4 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty common style in modern KZbin videos. Often the host is often looking at another camera talking but they play the video of them talking to that camera from another camera's perspective. It's just a style choice. I like it.
@jordanmc9015
@jordanmc9015 4 жыл бұрын
i know right
@markallison4794
@markallison4794 4 жыл бұрын
@@user8ZAKC1X6KC But there does seem to be a second camera, so it's just artifice. I find it distracting, as if the speaker is talking not to me but to some mysterious other 3 metres to my left or right.
@greensagan
@greensagan 2 жыл бұрын
Not enough hand movements
@mrpenguin4288
@mrpenguin4288 3 жыл бұрын
The Da62 is such a beautiful aircraft! Inspite of what many purists would say, I would go for the fadec managed engines. Also bigger cabin with possibility ro have up to 7 occupants and more readily available fuel.
@ericvasilik
@ericvasilik 4 жыл бұрын
FYI, in 2016, Cirrus redesigned the door latches that no longer require slamming to close.
@coasternut3091
@coasternut3091 10 ай бұрын
The fact that I, someone who knows very few people, know someone who was killed in a cirrus due to mechanical failure, is exactly why I will never own one
@NDCDA62
@NDCDA62 4 жыл бұрын
A great evaluation of both aircraft - well done ! For me, I am very pleased I chose the Diamond DA62, which I consider the safest general aviation aircraft in the world today for so many reasons.
@kellydaniels0044
@kellydaniels0044 Жыл бұрын
One item I wish they would address was the TBO for the Cirrus and the TBR for the Diamond. Personally I think the Diamond is hands down my favorite but I cant afford to replace the engines every 1400 hours.
@NickMurray
@NickMurray 4 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty good video, nice information, it would be been so much more useful if you had showing the numbers side by side instead of many minutes of awkwardly not looking at the camera? The music will drive many people crazy. You missed out information that people really want to know like cabin noise and seating moment, comfort, entry etc. Over all pretty good.
@coreyandj
@coreyandj 4 жыл бұрын
Funny to see you on here commenting. Hope you are doing good. I miss Becky
@cndam
@cndam 3 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the exact same thing.
@edouble0325
@edouble0325 3 жыл бұрын
I’m really glad you pointed out the power plant disaster caused by FAA. They froze GA into the 50/60’s and they’ve been making excuses all this time on why there hasn’t a day of progress. They are still doing it with all this PAFI nonsense. Swift had to go out on their own and develop an unleaded aviation fuel. It’s beyond frustrating
@dcxplant
@dcxplant Жыл бұрын
A multi-enigne rating in the aircraft, in this case a Diamond DA62, would take for a competent pilot, about 10 hours. The rating is not a factor. However, currency is a factor. High performance singles require more than 3 takeoffs and landings every 90 days, but a twin needs even more recency of experience. For a pilot that flies very regularly, the twin is no problem. For a pilot that flies every few weeks, the single would be a better option and in that case, get the DA50. I really don't like flying with old air-cooled engines. This young man was very kind talking about the big Continental... they are maintenance hogs. The Diamond had a batch of engines with bad pistons, but that has been rectified. I would trust my life with the Austro's. I'd love a DA62!
@Z06C5
@Z06C5 4 жыл бұрын
The diamond is a beauty. Wish I was rich
@dmaeroflyer9279
@dmaeroflyer9279 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve flown Both Cirrus and Diamond 40 and disagree about the statement you made about the Cirrus control yoke! I find it a very relaxing flying without AutoPilot. Also, the doors don’t need to be slammed anymore. The huge negative with Diamond is hard seats, unless, they have softened them up.
@luczipkin
@luczipkin 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Land Rover! Restoring a 1964 Series IIA 88" right now in that exact same color... Bronze Green. While I love my truck, I can't help but admit that some serious changes have occurred since then in engineering and technology.
@almerindaromeira8352
@almerindaromeira8352 4 жыл бұрын
For all people complaining that one is SEP and the other MEP, you have to realise that in terms of performance the Cirrus has the edge. Those two engines on the Diamond are quite small
@MikeKobb
@MikeKobb 4 жыл бұрын
The "Lamborghini Style" doors really don't need to be slammed on the Cirrus G6 or the 2016 G5, which have the lever-style door handles on the exterior. From inside, just pull them gently into place and push the handle down. From the outside, they either latch when gently closed, or if you give them a gentle press. The pre-2016 planes with the pushbutton latch on the exterior did need to be closed more forcefully to make them engage.
@blakethegreatone2058
@blakethegreatone2058 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a pilot and I can't afford either of these planes but they are both super cool. Loved the video.
@jamessanders8325
@jamessanders8325 3 жыл бұрын
Man, you sold me. I'll take the Diamond 1,000 to one over the single. Thanks for all the positive information and your honest opinion.
@babernethy13574
@babernethy13574 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't choose either one of these for that price range...the true choice is the Piper M350. Six passenger, pressurized cabin, latest tech and safety options, and easily cruises over 200kts in the low 20s to range of over 1,300 nm.
@kbnguy
@kbnguy 4 жыл бұрын
These kind of comparisons is the reason why people love adblock... keep it coming. thanks for the free contents while i'm on the can
@davedebz
@davedebz 4 жыл бұрын
Not really a “nose-to nose” comparison when you are comparing a Single-Engine that uses AVGAS, with a Multi-Engine aircraft that uses FADEC-controlled Jet-A engines.
@corsa-z06
@corsa-z06 4 жыл бұрын
It is a perfect comparison when you realize nearly everyone in the market for either plane will likely consider both...
@ABC-rh7zc
@ABC-rh7zc 4 жыл бұрын
The DA62 is definitely on my radar but it would have been great to compare the STOL/off-airfield performance too.
@thisismagacountry1318
@thisismagacountry1318 2 жыл бұрын
If you're serious about STOL look at the Kodiak 100.
@davedeweese5810
@davedeweese5810 4 жыл бұрын
Is this a typical comparison your customers make: a single versus a twin, or are they choosing between, let's say, the Cirrus and a DA-40 or -50?
@LifeStyleAviation
@LifeStyleAviation 4 жыл бұрын
Dave, exactly. With the FADEC controlled engines (and just two levers for engine management, as opposed to having 6 with prop and mixture) our clients tell us the DA62 is as easy to fly as any single-engine airplane. We created this video because Diamond and Cirrus are the leaders in modern aviation and potential owners were comparing these two planes more than any other. Hope it is helpful!
@davedeweese5810
@davedeweese5810 4 жыл бұрын
@@LifeStyleAviation With those Austro engines it wouldn't surprise me if the fuel burn was pretty close to the Cirrus. Part of my preference for the Diamond is less practical, however: the smell of Jet-A reminds me of flying on airliners as a kid.
@aa134368
@aa134368 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would rather have two engines than a chute. That being said, I’m curious what obstacles Diamond faced that kept a chute system from being installed. I wonder if G3000 will become available
@bobmccoy4652
@bobmccoy4652 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, sold on the Diamond 💎. Cirrus has better marketing and pilot support. Can you make some flight videos of the Diamond including the avionics overview and the autopilot?
@LifeStyleAviation
@LifeStyleAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Great request! We'll look at creating something more in depth. In the meantime, we have a number of other videos on the DA62 on this channel as well as the Diamond Aircraft channel. Check out this one for more: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5DKaGmbrZmkhNE
@exit328
@exit328 Жыл бұрын
They are both great planes. I’ve flown both for work. I can tell you the diamond is a good reliable aircraft. I always preferred the cirrus when given the choice on a daily basis.
@885wc
@885wc 4 жыл бұрын
Well the Da42 would be a better comparison, while my personal preference is for the twin Diamonds, all three are lovely aircraft. Would love to be able to get my PPL and buy something like this.
@awol2019
@awol2019 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely excellent. Thank you guys, for leading GA , into the modern Era.
@LifeStyleAviation
@LifeStyleAviation 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@benakay
@benakay 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Two things, though... 1. You forgot to mention the advantage of onboard weather radar for the DA62. 2. The length for the DA62 was quoted as 109 in, while that of the Cirrus was 110 in. For the DA, was that for a 5 seater or 7 seater? That seems to be a really tight fit for a 7 seater. Again, nice video.
@andik2329
@andik2329 4 жыл бұрын
If I had to choose between the two I'd go with the DA-62. If I can choose a plane for any plane for a $1M I'd get a used Piper M500. Turbine reliability, pressurized cabin and not climbing up a wing would be the selling points for me.
@samtate9625
@samtate9625 3 жыл бұрын
or just a matrix for 500 grand less. speed, larger, and a near infinite fuel supply to buy with your 500k savings
@veanwhitcher7867
@veanwhitcher7867 2 жыл бұрын
I would forgo the chute for the extra room and engine of the Diamond if the computer offers backup emergency management. I can't buy one but window shopping with you was fun and your presentation very very thorough and informative.
@muhammadnimji4626
@muhammadnimji4626 4 жыл бұрын
A better perspective will be between DA50RG and the SRT 22. Love your Landi!
@ultraturtle2673
@ultraturtle2673 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent and relevant comparison of the two most top of the line currently manufactured General Aviation piston aircraft. Helps explain why the DA62 is worth the price premium. A closer comparison would be the Cirrus SR22T vs. the Diamond DA42-VI. Nearly identical cost, interior dimensions, useful load, and performance, but the DA42-VI has much better engine out climb performance.
@ttjclz
@ttjclz 4 жыл бұрын
A 400k delta plus 2 engines to maintain at half the TBO each.. Parachute versus a second engine is also a never-ending philosophical-style hangar conversation... I would have gone for Diamond only if it were far less expensive..
@650tonyd
@650tonyd 8 ай бұрын
I'd take the parachute any day
@wispiwispi1889
@wispiwispi1889 2 ай бұрын
It is like comparing a coupe to a sedan. Two different audiences, I think.
@israelkozlik7554
@israelkozlik7554 4 жыл бұрын
Up next, a groundbreaking comparison between the venerable C172 skyhawk and the formidable F35 lightening!
@tylernossaman2352
@tylernossaman2352 4 жыл бұрын
Flown both, Cirrus side yoke is by far more comfortable in flight and flight training.
@CascadiaAviation
@CascadiaAviation 4 жыл бұрын
I'd take the Diamond in a heartbeat, are you kiddin me?
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 3 жыл бұрын
I completely understand why these planes are as expensive as they are. I just don't feel you get enough bang for your buck with either of them. I'd rather buy (and one day will) a used Piper M600. 100 knots faster than either of these planes, a turbo prop engine, cabin class pressurized comfort, can climb higher than either of them for $700K. You could buy two for the price of one DA62 that's almost half as slow.
@ASWISSPILOT
@ASWISSPILOT 4 жыл бұрын
Love how you pulled out the range rover :D
@karmathebrit7856
@karmathebrit7856 3 жыл бұрын
I’d say it’s purely preference, and needing to be more of a hands on pilot isn’t a bad thing, makes you use the thinker from time to time.
@talonpilot
@talonpilot 3 жыл бұрын
While I feel his comparison was overall fair, it was more of a “why the DA62 is better” commercial. Both beautiful acft and if you have this kind of money, neither would be a bad acft to own (I would prefer the DA62 myself).
@jamesvelvet3612
@jamesvelvet3612 2 жыл бұрын
Designed and built in this Century. Love it!
@mikethomas4908
@mikethomas4908 4 жыл бұрын
Also mention, as a pilot, you have to spend the extra $10+ thousand to get a multi-engine rating to fly the DA-62 and maintenance on two engines verse maintenance on one
@luczipkin
@luczipkin 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure when you are buying a $1.4 million airplane it doesn't quite factor in.
@Alex-us2vw
@Alex-us2vw 4 жыл бұрын
Lol how is anyone spending 10k for a multi rating? Only takes 5-6hrs, maybe 10hrs if you’re having issues in training. SR22 will require a similar amount of flight time by a Cirrus instructor to qualify for insurance coverage, and the insurance is much more expensive due to the CAPS.
@benghazi4216
@benghazi4216 3 жыл бұрын
@@Alex-us2vw What? Do insurance companies punish people for having CAPS? Let me guess, they don't have to pay out if the accident is fatal?....
@Alex-us2vw
@Alex-us2vw 3 жыл бұрын
@@benghazi4216 of course they need to pay on a fatal accident. The insurance is higher due to people pulling the caps for minor issues, and writing off the hull. Can usually get a single down with minor damage or no damage on a forced approach, and giving up and going caps when accidentally VFR into IMC is not an option. From what I’ve seen though insurance is much higher. I own and fly a PA30 which is insured for $2500 per year, and my friend has a SR22 paying $13k per year. Apparently even the SR20 has elevated rates compared to a similar value 172 (don’t know anyone with an SR20 through)
@freestonjoseph9901
@freestonjoseph9901 3 жыл бұрын
Car wizard you always amaze me when i saw you standing next to the aeroplane i you said that you use to work on citation i am also a retired d haviland dash 8 areoplane mechanic that is why you are an excellent auto mechanic .
@stevenscher8589
@stevenscher8589 21 күн бұрын
the only thing that worries me is the ground personnel accidiently filling the DA62 with 100LL avgas since they are used to only filling jets or turboporops with JetA
@andyhutch6482
@andyhutch6482 4 жыл бұрын
Good summary...might I suggest that the DA42 is a better comparison to the Cirrus. Or better yet the new DA50 so we see single engine to single engine.
@glennh2965
@glennh2965 4 жыл бұрын
Cirrus are a great aircraft but you put it well. A brand new Range Rover with a 60 year old motor. It's too bad the aviation regulators make it so hard to modernise.
@benghazi4216
@benghazi4216 3 жыл бұрын
We can blame many. Even the fact that GA is getting so expensive, so old people are over represented, and thus old designs don't lose favor like they should. I mean, people can now buy modern car engines from Austro and Viking. But they aren't stealing the market.
@keithradford4683
@keithradford4683 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic presentation well done..You pointed out a very valid concern for the aviation community.. The Cirrus is unbelievably beautiful plane. The design, interior, avionics are second to none... But the engine is fifty plus years old.. They say the TBO on these engines are around 2000 hours but how many really make it past 600 hours before they need a top over haul.. The Diamond on the other hand has the AE 330 engine made by Mercedes and probably manufactured in the hundreds of thousand a year and the cost is a fraction of either the two traditional aircraft engine manufactures. One has to wonder why in this modern day and age with such a perfect aircraft as the Cirrus is, they would want to use such an old engine...
@MikeKobb
@MikeKobb 4 жыл бұрын
The NAs do pretty well in terms of engine longevity. The turbos do tend to need cylinders. You can avoid this if you're really scrupulous about managing temperatures, but it's a challenge.
@vitorgamba4736
@vitorgamba4736 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeKobb that's where the FADEC comes in to play. Never flown a Cirrus but have a good amount of time on a DA42. Based on what you said about managing the temperatures, having the FADEC and trusting it to keep your engine parameters where they need to be would be a great peace of mind to have.
@MikeKobb
@MikeKobb 4 жыл бұрын
@@vitorgamba4736 Yeah, assuming that the FADEC is doing the right thing. One thing that some folks have observed is that Continental's guidance for operating the TSIO-550 recommends an operating temperature range that is frankly too hot on the high end. No problem if you're managing your own engine, because you can just run it cooler. But, if you had a FADEC version of the 550 and Continental chose to program the FADEC to those limits, there may not be much you can do to avoid long term problems. Don't get me wrong. I want a FADEC engine, but you are giving up some control to whoever programs that controller.
@vitorgamba4736
@vitorgamba4736 4 жыл бұрын
@@MikeKobb that's interesting to hear. But I guess even on a FADEC engine you could dial power back a little if that would be the case on one. Like on the regular engine, you would be losing some power to run it cooler and I don't see any way the FADEC could forcefully drive the temps up but I'm no expert.
@donjohnston3776
@donjohnston3776 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully SR-22 & Bonanza will get one of the new Continental TDIs up front in the near future
@MediHusky
@MediHusky 3 жыл бұрын
Having flown the DA62 on left engine 80%, right engine idle, from CYWG to KGFK, as my first flight, without realising til I was on short final 4NM from KDFK, I'd say the DA62 is pretty braindead easy to fly.
@lorendjones
@lorendjones 2 жыл бұрын
The DA62 would be an easy choice for me. JetA fuel availability and system redundancy are huge. Plus it's a delightful flying machine.
@meranmengal9793
@meranmengal9793 4 жыл бұрын
A comment from some one very far away. Might never learn to fly or let alone buying a plan a million dollar plan on that but still i wanted to comment on this video because the video was absolutely amazing i loved it and loved both the plans but if i had to chose one of these two plans then my pick would be DA62. DA62 as a superior build quality it as sampler controls it as a car engines a mass produced engines and diesel engines on that which are more fuel efficient and on top of all that it as 2 engines and every body knows that 2 is batter then 1. so ya DA62. I wish to own 1 one day.
@LifeStyleAviation
@LifeStyleAviation 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for stopping by and sharing! The DA62 is an incredible airplane!
@russelldanson7572
@russelldanson7572 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. This is a comparison I was waiting to see. Thanks. One thing missing from your comparison is service availability. I suspect the Austro engines have a lot more proprietary parts and service requirements as you would expect from the new tech. How does access to service, time to service (AOG) compare?
@benghazi4216
@benghazi4216 3 жыл бұрын
Austro engines are basically Mercedes engines. Parts will not be a problem, but maybe finding the qualified people needed to fit them will depending on your location. Selling under a thousand engines a year doesn't bode well for access to service.
@NavsTech
@NavsTech 3 жыл бұрын
I clicked LIKE in the first 5 seconds of this video. Both these planes are my favourite......😍
@gilbertfranklin1537
@gilbertfranklin1537 4 жыл бұрын
I like side-by-side comparisons, whether or not the objects are absolutely identical. But, if I understand one of the main aspects of this comparison, the price difference is about $400K, which to me is a whopping amount of money. Where I live in Texas, that would buy me a luxurious home to stay in between flights... 😉
@jorgecgonzalez9976
@jorgecgonzalez9976 Жыл бұрын
Also the storage of the airplane is important, the DA-62 has to be stored in a bigger hanger. Most likely FBO like the video said, much more cost.
@0SKBooth0
@0SKBooth0 4 жыл бұрын
I actually just want that Land Rover (and a super cub)
@perrypike90
@perrypike90 4 жыл бұрын
SR22 all the way. Cost is much less when you figure the file cost and the annual , double the cost with those dual engines.
@amaanoliyath4875
@amaanoliyath4875 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I would rather save up to buy the da62. The Da62 is bigger, better, more efficient and economical, more efficient, costs less to operate, is sleeker, is comfier, and best of all, is safer.
@piperarrowpilot9325
@piperarrowpilot9325 3 жыл бұрын
@@amaanoliyath4875 you’re telling me it cost less to operate and maintain 2 engines than 1? What about double engine overhauls? Double prop overhaul? Landing gear inspection services…the list of maintenance items goes on and on for maintenance with a retractable twin engine airplane vs a single engine fixed gear plane.
@edouble0325
@edouble0325 3 жыл бұрын
@@piperarrowpilot9325 you’re thinking about it all wrong. You don’t maintain a diamond like a 1950’s airframe. It’s modern, things don’t need Overhauled every 10 hrs. So maintenance and down time is far far far less than anything coming out of last century.
@piperarrowpilot9325
@piperarrowpilot9325 3 жыл бұрын
@@edouble0325 overhauled every 10years? Most pistons are overhauled every 2,000hours not sure what the diamond TBO is
@petersadlo3537
@petersadlo3537 2 жыл бұрын
Any operating cost savings is eaten up by the need for a much larger hanger & a much higher insurance bill.
@jamielancaster01
@jamielancaster01 3 жыл бұрын
Hands-down the DA62 is the best!
@tyronevanwyk3652
@tyronevanwyk3652 4 жыл бұрын
How does the relative sales volumes compare? The 40% premium on the DA62 seems to be a big premium
@peterlazuric5641
@peterlazuric5641 4 жыл бұрын
I really don't care about the comparison, my mind was made up before I watched the video. I will take the Diamond DA 62 . The reason that I viewed the video was to learn more about the aircraft.
@georgev5766
@georgev5766 4 жыл бұрын
I hear you Diamond, but Cirrus is one engine to service, fits anywhere a Cessna would, has all the capabilities most pilots want, tales fuel that you can find anywhere, and I’ll take the parachute over the extra engine any day. And used cirrus go for 1/5 the price of the Diamond. I was once involved in an emergency landing when the piper warrior I was flying engine quit. I’ve see too many flip overs on multi engine planes when an engine fails at takeoff.
@heinzuwehofmann3810
@heinzuwehofmann3810 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, down to the points, no fuss and unnecessary stories or personal crab that no one wants to know!! Thanks so much!
@Big.Ron1
@Big.Ron1 4 жыл бұрын
Good video but two other things would have been nice. Given these will most likely be owner flown, with wife, kids, dog, and bags, what is the full fuel load and what is full fuel zero wind range? I am a Diamond fan. I learned in them and have ~ 160 to 175 hours if you count Super Dimona time. I suppose given the price of the aircraft , and after private, instrument and maybe commercial ratings some might not consider multi and multi instrument ratings to be that big of a deal but it would be a potential add on in time and cost to getting the DA-62 that would not figure into the Cirrus as I would have to do. Either way, you cannot go wrong. They are both damn fine aircraft. Thank you and be safe.
@mrabrasive51
@mrabrasive51 4 жыл бұрын
Next week can you compare a A380 with a PC 12 NG..I can't decide!
@alexs3187
@alexs3187 4 жыл бұрын
Neither are as good as the C150.
@ms-jl6dl
@ms-jl6dl 3 жыл бұрын
A 380 diesel?
@FrederickFongTW
@FrederickFongTW 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding comparison . Thank you
@aviation42069
@aviation42069 4 жыл бұрын
Gonna pick up my DA62 tomorrow Of course I am kidding
@above7833
@above7833 2 жыл бұрын
Thanku for taking the time and Thanku for your video production, very informative…
@ss442es
@ss442es 3 жыл бұрын
Both of these airplanes are very expensive to the average private pilot. The Cirrus, now owned by China started out as a homebuilt idea for that very reason but now has morphed into a full production airplane. A similar performing airplane to the Cirrus is the Vans RV-10, with like engines perform nose to nose might be a good option. Not lost in these two airplanes is insurance and maintenance costs. Slipping the gear in the wells comes with dollar signs that can't be forgotten. Gear up a Diamond you wreck two engines, two props etc. Not so much in Cirrus or Cessna TTX which ceased production. All in all you need to be fairly well heeled to own either one of these airplanes and your mission becomes important because you can buy a lot of airline tickets for the annual cost including financing. I've owned an airplane and sold the ride as being far too slow for missions I wanted to fly. Being pilots we all would love to have either one of these birds in the hangar and the option of dragging either one out for a trip to Aspen or Key West. A target that is well worth striving for.
@svenf1
@svenf1 2 жыл бұрын
Displaying the numbers to compare side by side rather than sequentially would have made a lot of sense.
@Twelve.O.Clock-High
@Twelve.O.Clock-High 3 жыл бұрын
Modern is in most cases not cool but that Da62 oh my.
@MrDecaliostro
@MrDecaliostro 4 жыл бұрын
This different airplanes, it would be fair to compare SR22 to something like Pipistrel Panthera
@HyperShift
@HyperShift 4 жыл бұрын
This camera work ... YIKESSSS
@alexs3187
@alexs3187 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the worst you have seen on KZbin?
@HyperShift
@HyperShift 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexs3187 some of the worst lol
@LoganInfinity
@LoganInfinity 3 жыл бұрын
LifeStyle: Could you do a comparison between the DA62 and the Cessna TTx?
@braino6784
@braino6784 9 ай бұрын
The. D? A 62. If I'm not mistaken just had an issue? Where the pilot lost both engines because of one wire? It's supposed to be Redundant. but the bus system was common.
@jimbo4589
@jimbo4589 Жыл бұрын
Very simple and well done. Thanks, Sam
@slmyatt
@slmyatt 6 ай бұрын
You do indeed have the coolest job.
@DownTheRabbit-Hole
@DownTheRabbit-Hole 9 ай бұрын
In non-pressurized aircraft, one might have to descend rapidly. No "shock" cooling in da62 due to liquid cool temp reg.
@davidkucera5465
@davidkucera5465 4 жыл бұрын
how can you compare single engine vs twin engine?
@Dewey_Boondye420
@Dewey_Boondye420 2 жыл бұрын
wouldnt it be more fair to compare the sr22 to a da42 ?
@skill692
@skill692 3 жыл бұрын
Great video pity the camera he was looking at wasn't working?
@ed.mil.5029
@ed.mil.5029 4 жыл бұрын
Both are excellent and the best light GA planes your can buy. SR 22T is a fantastic airplane for this price, but an extra 400 k $ for DA 62 is definitely worth it.
@paloma184
@paloma184 4 жыл бұрын
best video what i need to choice first aircraft. actually, before this video, i give more point for parachute include model, but after watch video, seems twin engine could be more safe choice.
@GMD64
@GMD64 2 жыл бұрын
I love all things aviation so this isn't a knock on the SR22 but simply put if I could only fly one of them home it would unhesitatingly be the DA62!
@veanwhitcher7867
@veanwhitcher7867 2 жыл бұрын
Since y have already bored you with so many comments e will add one more, Purchasing the Diamond along with a few instructor hours to refresh multiengine emergency management to sharpen engine failure reaction skills could compensate for the absence of the chute.
@QG-vz4qg
@QG-vz4qg 3 жыл бұрын
Which airplane is better? Well I would prefer both
@DerekRobinsonTech
@DerekRobinsonTech 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a Cirrus SR 22 vs Diamond Aircraft DA50 for a single engine on single matchup! Or maybe a DA40 for a better comparison!
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