Which Countries Have Declining Populations & What Can They Do About It? - TLDR News

[@RyakkiBaka]

Nobody expected the Spanish atheism.

[@tobis9585]

ngl that did surprise me

[@lycaonpictus4433]

@@tobis9585 x2

[@russtytan8080]

It is funny that country know for it's spanish inquisition. Now it is atheist

[@teefffa]

NOBODY EXPECTED THE SPANISH ATHQUIZITION

[@chavamartinez3102]

As a native spanish speaker I'm shocked x_x

[@carl9235]

In Romania the population drop is more linked to people migrating to other European countries for better living condition. Romania's population is about 19M and the diaspora is 4.3M and growing.

[@andreizonga4611]

Yes, being romanian,I agree. The salaries are not great,and higher education is also not very good. Plus, it is very easy to become a doctor without higher education for example. There is a great joke that is mostly true and goes like this: Ion (or John in English) asked a japanese man why Japan was so devoloped. The japanese said: "We have one smart man for every 9 stupid men, while you have one stupid man for every 9 smart men." Ion says: "So, what?" The japanese says: "In Japan, the smart man rules the stupid men. In Romania, the stupid man rules the smart men."

[@ionut-valerserbanat3354]

@@andreizonga4611 as a romanian too,I totally agree with you,with both,as you all can ser,all of this part of Europe has the same problem.

[@leonardom9190]

Yea. 3% of the italian population has romanian origins.

[@andreizonga4611]

@Robert Valentin Translation: Romanians also don't make children because of poverty.

[@johnnyneptune2730]

Our biggest problem is the ineffective goverment bc if the life standards would rise we wouldn't even have this discussion. The fertility rate in Romania is pretty good but the people migrating is what makes the population decline

[@christopherhawkins9719]

Wages are low, house prices are through the roof, everyone's busy trying to be secure rather than bringing children up young n working around them.

[@Jon-ox7hk]

He is talking about the reasons why young people can't have kids, not about young people who already have children.

[@리주민]

Housing is just as important and a human right, if not more than healthcare. So why isnt there a National Housing Service that provides each family with a home free of charge? Homebuilders can either be contractors paid by the govt per home built, or be civil servants that build homes. Realtors can be the nurses or receptionists in this analogy. And I don't mean only to those who cannot afford--i mean everyone. We (UK, et al) don't just provide healthcare to the poor, we provide it to all.

[@boreddude3898]

@RoastWorthy i dont doubt they're happy with kids, but if youre a 19 year old in college are you REALLY going to risk having kids? I'm not going to have kids until I've graduated college, let alone have my own home.

[@kevinyoung42]

I'd have children if I could see a good life ahead for them, but unfortunately it looks like a shit show from here to the horizon. Bringing children into such a chaotic world is doing them a favor how? 🤷‍♂️

[@리주민]

@RoastWorthy UN Declaration of Human Rights, Article 25, section 1: "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control." All UN member states have signed such and former US first lady Eleanor Roosevelt helped draft it.

[@systemz]

The thousand pound elephant in the room that no-one mentions: only men used to work 5 day weeks

[@alexanderg1297]

“Why is this happening?” Life is expensive bruh.

[@tforaodg]

Blame america

[@alexanderg1297]

@@tforaodg blame another country for your problems. Classic…

[@eyyy2271]

Specifically America. It costs an arm and a leg for a baby because we don't a single payer system like other countries.

[@Ngokalo]

Exactly. Life is too expensive even in Africa.

[@omegaman7377]

@@alexanderg1297 Well in this case, it is valid. USA push free trade all over the world with their media and their politic. And their version of free trade: Free trade without regulation.

[@birdcat8382]

As Filipino, I'm surprised Spain is the least religious in Europe considering how zealous they were on spreading Christianity.

[@carrieullrich5059]

Every zealous persecution leaves a few more people that hate religion in each generation.

[@internetroyalty]

Germany for example is extremely religious. We worship money.

[@RyzenShanks]

The more wealthy a country is, the more it is less dependent on religious beliefs such as limitations on sex, marriage and other things. A person who is wealthy do not rely on faith in God and don't like religious do's and don'ts. Religious people tend to prioritize their focus more on family than personal careers.

[@RyzenShanks]

@Reject humanity return to monke That's true and had something to do with political and cultural Islam. Unlike Christianity, Islam is embedded heavily in laws, politics and culture.

[@srimanjha5112]

@@RyzenShanks more brainwashed*

[@PaoloLammens]

Just a minor quibble: sometimes you show fertility rate on screen with a percent sign tagged on, although that doesn't make much sense, since it's just a number (the average number of babies per woman).

[@matyasmatta]

agreed, it's a little confusing, but it's just a little problem, I love the graphics of these videos :3

[@doritoisback]

@@jnimitzch4738 1.5 babies per 100 women is clearly incorrect...

[@doritoisback]

@Billy O'sullivan an average of 1.5 children for every 100 women? Do you understand what this actually means? Also, you are aware that who I was replying to deleted their comment right?

[@RTORC78]

You’re wrong it’s incorrect. For example it’s 1.66 babies per woman in the UK. Therefore not a percentage.

[@pak3ton]

Average mean, 100 woman having 200 babies = 2 babies per woman... In the paper... but a single woman can have 3 o 4 and others dont... is just a number not the reality. Here in my country i meet a woman who have 5 kids from 3 different men :v... i almost create the 6 lol :v

[@Stacie45]

I struggled just to support myself until I was in my mid 30's. Once I got my nose above water and felt like I could raise kids responsibly, it seemed like everyone I met close to my age who was looking for a partner were divorced or single parents. I just wasn't enthusiastic about committing my life to helping someone else raise their kids.

[@elizabethboothe2774]

I think you are correct.

[@anonymous5424]

good choice man

[@m2pozad]

@ Stacia45 True for women. They are accumulators, not donators.

[@ReturnOfTheJ.D.]

Once you get odler though and you are going for women in their mid-40s and over, those children could be legally adults. So they would be paying their own way.

[@shanepatrick641]

Yeah never date a single mother, you'd be a fool to bring up another mans kids, you've got to be desperate to do that or be a schmuck.

[@NaBi_1307]

how am I expected to date, marry and have children when I can barely support myself ?? After graduation, most of Master students struggle with finding a job, staring a business is faced with numerous hardships because of the governments and if you actually succeed and build a career for yourself, you'll be sabotaged by local government officials because they don't want you to threaten their rich friends by disturbing the business in the area where you live.

[@haidarsyriaismyheart5945]

😂😂👍

[@notkurumi]

Yeah exactly. this is one of my many reasons i would like to do self-employment since these greedy corpos cannot care less about its workers/youngsters

[@haidarsyriaismyheart5945]

@@notkurumi that's no reason to not have kids, having kids with the right person will make you more happy 😉

[@notkurumi]

@@haidarsyriaismyheart5945 Giving birth to a child into a poor household will/can ruin many chances for yourself and especially to your child future. Watching after your parents, wife, bigger house, car, yourself and then a child too? Its just way too many money. And we know tick isnt the answer. Everyone kept tolding you in life DONT pick up tick from banks.

[@haidarsyriaismyheart5945]

@@notkurumi I said with the right person who will support you always and 2 parents can support a good life for a family as in all countries 🤷‍♂️ you should be positive and every thing will be good

[@lifewhatsoever]

The problem is that these policies are so insignificant that they’re almost irrelevant. Housing is extremely expensive in most western countries these days and as long as that remains the case, nothing will change. I won’t even think about having children until I can buy a house and that’s not happening any time soon. The situation will get even worse in the UK and probably many other countries as housing is already ridiculously overvalued and it’s only getting more expensive.

[@hmthisisit]

It's also the fact that both parents need to work leaving them around 2-3 hours of free time per day and they *still* don't feel secure enough. You really can't have children under these conditions. Wondering why we have an aging population and trying such silly methods to "fix" it is almost grossly hypocritical at this point.

[@lifewhatsoever]

@@hmthisisit That’s true - in the past one salary was enough to buy a house and feed your whole family. This is no longer the case. In fact, even on two salaries it’s still really hard.

[@PatrickDavis28]

@@lifewhatsoever That's probably inflation doing it's work. I've done some calculations, and by 2037 half of the US population will be below the poverty line because of it, and even Jeff Bezos won't be able to buy a piece of gum by 2329.

[@eChuckNorris]

@@PatrickDavis28 that's not how inflation works....

[@NakedAvanger]

You can build your own house It doesn't have to be of typical size either, you can have a very good life in a smaller house as well well And building your own house is not that complicated either Check out some Eco communities and how they build their own buildings

[@Mico605]

People often forget that, not only does the working class have to support the old non working class, but they also have to support the upcoming working class, kids and students. However you look at it, for working class its always difficult.

[@geheimnis8187]

Population decline in Portugal is happening because of really stupid reasons: - Low wages / low child support - Parents don't have time to take care of their children (I believe this is one of the biggest factors). People *work too much* and when they have children they have almost no time to take care of them, which discourages people from having them. - Emigration, mainly young people emigrating and not having children in Portugal

[@des_moines840]

What? Why do you emigrate? I have 2 italians friends that moved to portugal because they found good jobs

[@keithjackson2035]

Having kids isn’t a numbers game. You have to raise them and that ain’t easy.

[@Lea-rb9nc]

Especially when one is a single parent...

[@maureenmiaullis6427]

@@Lea-rb9nc or people who don't have kids think they have the right to tell you how to raise yours.

[@Lea-rb9nc]

@@maureenmiaullis6427 My children are grown. I don't tell others how to raise their children but as a therapist and Child Protection officer, I've conducted many parenting courses and worked with individuals as well.

[@KRYMauL]

If you are poor, it becomes a numbers game at least on a subconscious level. For middle class, it's about legacy.

[@commentsanitizer7929]

@@Lea-rb9nc how your 2nd sentence contradicts itself.

[@Zeusselll]

The actual problem is that wages have stagnated while cost of living (such as rent, and entirely new costs such as phones and internet) have gone up.

[@rattlehead999]

and yet food is cheaper than ever, so is water and clothing.

[@Zeusselll]

@@rattlehead999 I would ask you for a citation but it doesn't matter, you don't live on those 3 things alone. None of this addresses the underlying problem of human productivity going up while real wages stagnate. The things we actually buy often have built-in planned obsolescence, so not only are more costs being created, they have to be replaced faster. Legislation and advertisements also incentivise private options as opposed to public ones, so you pay twice for a service that might not even be that great ( such as having to get a personal car instead of taking the bus, only to have both the car and bus get stuck in traffic from all the cars) . You wanna fix the aging population problem? Give people the opportunity to actually have kids by creating social programs funded with taxes on the rich.

[@rsync9490]

@@rattlehead999 'cheaper than ever'. Could afford a cart full of groceries for $124 in 2009. In 2013 3/4 of a cart. Now less than a half a cart. Where is this cheap food, developing nations? Water is exorbitant, three times as high as it used to be. Clothing, well depends on if you shop at thrift stores or not.

[@josephlynch7655]

Poor people have more children than rich people.

[@Zeusselll]

@@josephlynch7655 Probably because they are more religious, aren't as educated and contraceptives and abortions aren't always available to them.

[@viktor9988]

As a swede my only respond to this is; how do you even got time for kids when you're busy constructing furnitures from IKEA!?

[@cherifgrib]

That's a good one

[@aswedishguy682]

As a swede I agree

[@prudentibus]

@@aswedishguy682 How can I trust your word, if your name doesn't compare to it.

[@aswedishguy682]

@@prudentibus I'm from Göteborg

[@everythingisfine9988]

I stopped buying Ikea furniture so I can have more kids

[@ericneo2]

1) Cost of living and housing keeps increasing far beyond salaries. 2) More demanding work, unpaid overtime and 70-80 work weeks is now the norm and 2-4 hours travel time to and from work per day. 3) The above leave people with no money, no time or no energy to socialize or engage in a relationship.

[@jasongaylard2547]

When corporations and automation pushes working age people out of a job maybe governments should tax the corporations to pay for older people.

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

There is a plan for that, a tax “per machine”. Which would probably end up just being a tax on equivalent human output per hour. Per machine would obviously be unworkable, they are not standardised. So it would be a nightmare to calculate.

[@jasongaylard2547]

@@mrmagoo-i2l Seems like something smart algorithms would be good for.

[@muffinmendy7327]

BuT ThEy ArE aLrEaDy To HeAvY TaXeD

[@jasongaylard2547]

@@muffinmendy7327 Not really, they use tax loopholes and havens to avoid paying,

[@Mrinconn]

if the government put an end to tax avoidance there would be plenty for a UBI system to enable exactly this. But any politician who tried that would be assassinated much like the journalist who uncovered the panama papers.

[@cheaveasna6606]

When I visited Spain in 2019, I saw very few young or teenagers people on the street. Almost 90% of them are older persons.

[@davidz3879]

Spain has a very low birthrate.

[@nicktheocharis126]

I live in Greece, and the problem here is huge. Immigration to other countries, low wages, and modern way of life effect new families. And most of the 2010+ families have only one child

[@shanepatrick641]

And one child isn't enough!

[@استاذدانيال]

And another big problem in Greece is that no one wants to remain in the villages. Every young person wants to move to Athens or Thessaloniki. Greece probably doesn't grow enough food to feed itself.

[@nicktheocharis126]

@@استاذدانيال yeah man, i still visit my grandparents at my village and like many others, the place is empty. This is not food security. Big problem

[@alejandromaldonado6159]

​@@استاذدانيال Cities are screwing over countries.

[@des_moines840]

​@@nicktheocharis126the why do you keep on rejecting migrants coning to greece??

[@ericpubdeff8977]

Evidently, endless population growth is a problem ... and so is the lack of population growth? What's the problem here?

[@andystreet4022]

It's not about fertility.....it's a simple economic choice in the Western Economies. It's the first question couples ask themselves, is it affordable ?

[@victoriarotramel2274]

In economics,."Fertility" has nothing to do with biology or if women can have children. It's more a general number for how many children each women has on average across the country.

[@wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275]

Gee corporations and the corrupt politicians they own spent the last forty years destroying the middle class so now no one can afford to have a kid anymore and now birth rates are plummeting. Who would have thought that would happen?

[@marcschaeffer1584]

It's about what luxuries society and the government expect people to have. If it was babies, we would have babies, but we are expected and encourage to have new cars and large apartments, if not large houses. The average 30 year old spends as much on clothes every year as it costs to have a kid. It's not about money, it's about what people care about.

[@abylay9288]

@@marcschaeffer1584 you get it right, it's about values. Even the countries with similar economies have different birthrate because of difference in culture.

[@yvonneplant9434]

Allowing women to have power over their own bodies is a factor.

[@bexxyboo96]

Be as pronatalist as you want, but if I can't afford a house and stable general life without kids, you can be damn certain I'm not gonna have kids. Even with the gov saying they'll pay me a measly sum. Maybe, just maybe, if young people didn't struggle for stability, they'd have more kids, because we are educated enough to not subject any kids we have to a life of struggle. Maybe that's just me though

[@gergelynagy987]

I agree, giving parental leave and tax benefits are nice, but i still cant afford a flat until I'm 60, or win on the lottery...

[@seasong7655]

People used to struggle much more and still had more kids

[@Denis-Maldonado]

@@seasong7655 Yes, and the kids didn't have access to a lot of things because of that, that's why we said we are more educated now, to not imposed those living conditions on our children.

[@stoppernz229]

@@Denis-Maldonado And despite white western people leading the world out of poverty what good has it done us? All the other races that contributed nothing benefit, we don't.

[@pratyushdash7573]

like what even who don't have a house have children. i don't understand this ideology of yours.

[@ivylilybasket]

Maybe the developed countries should pay livable wage for the people, 70 years ago 1 person could sustain a family of four from 1 salary, now you need a degree, 5 years of experience and agreement to work overtime only to be paid peanuts or be pushed into unsafe self-employment schemes with no healthcare, childcare or pension buffer unless you manage to save for it (which you won't, unless you were already born rich). Why does the same job in Eastern Europe pay 25% of what the same job is paid in Sweden, Denmark or Germany, while the living costs aren't really that much lower.

[@marijanb.7775]

Amen

[@ireneuszpyc6684]

Ioanna Karaguni, you don't understand economics

[@marijanb.7775]

@@ireneuszpyc6684 nice opinion, shame it is worthless without any facts backing it up

[@ivylilybasket]

@@ireneuszpyc6684 Found the privileged one...

[@MyPrideFlag]

@@ivylilybasket because eastern europe is poor, largely because of communism and socialism. Here is your answer. It's far better than in 90's but still pretty shitty compared to western Europe. And more you push socialist programs, lower the wages will be. Money don't grow on trees and harder you push investors and businesses, worse are the results. They either go bankrupt, leave to a more libertarian country, raise prices and cause inflation, cut wages or fire workers. Also they lose productiveness by focusing more how to fit in a complicated tax system than actually producing stuff.

[@mrsmith8694]

quit treating humans like wage slaves, give them a livable wage to support a family and more free time to spend with family.

[@roxannesmith4519]

Having 1 child is a luxury nowadays. No one can afford to reproduce

[@billwilliams699]

Africans enter the chat

[@goosenuggets9693]

Having a child has always been a luxury if you want to give it a luxurious lifestyle.

[@goosenuggets9693]

You can move into the country side and raise a child the way that people in less developed countries do.

[@chizobauchay2024]

I'm an African and l think that people should consider their financial situation and the future prospects of the kids before having them because apparently they haven't been doing that, you see a lot of people who don't have any stable income having kids just because they feel that that is what they should be doing and then they set these kids up for failure, knowing full well that the country they live in has nothing to offer these kids in terms of economic prospects or a decent life.

[@vincentperratore4395]

Welfare recipients have kids like rabbits, but do they pay anything for their sustenance or anything else? Of course not! WE DO, AS TAXPAYERS!

[@srbtlevse16]

When it takes until your mid 30s in so much countries to be able to live comfortably and stabilize yourself economically, why would anyone have kids? As more evidence it is an economic qnd not cultural issue (e.g. hesitance to have kids for reasons other than economic stability) just look at top flight footballers who are econimcally stable and having kids in their 20s

[@ayushipatil4504]

True

[@zennvirus7980]

Or you live on an "unsafe" 'hood and think "No way I'm subjecting a child to this Hell when I can't leave myself". And then, if you do leave, you get to the case you describe above. If lucky, by which point you'll just say "Not Worth It Anymore".

[@MasterGhostf]

Make it so people can marry and have a good job in the 20's and there will be more children. Many women wait to 30's or 40's to settle down, way to late to find a life partner.

[@sunnysunshine8897]

@@MasterGhostf What about the men? Are men in their 20's also willing to settle down? It's not just the woman's fault, we can't just pick any man and get him to marry.

[@MasterGhostf]

@@sunnysunshine8897 of course. Many guys want to settle down, but with college it's hard. And I don't blame women for waiting after college. Which is roughly 22-24. Same with men..we all have to improve and make ourselves the best we can be and keep the effort when were in a relationship. Same goes for men as well as women. To me there is a large societal issue that isn't being talked about but will be a major issue in a few decades.

[@stefanosnikolaou6697]

TLDR: Talking about the problems with population decline. China: abolishes its 2 children law the day after the video was released. Conclusion: Even Mr. Xi Jinping watches TLDR.

[@azertyuiop432]

I won't be surprised if they introduce a 3 children per women quota

[@okletmesee5847]

i was gonna coment that yeah they now made it three child

[@mazmurelvictory5755]

@@azertyuiop432 I can see the Chinese government would someday "mandate" married couples to have at least three child, or face consequences especially to their social credits score

[@babitayadav4806]

@PP but china is going to face a demographic collapse suddenly when the current workers (30-50 yr olds) retire there would be no one to replace them Plus one child now has to support his parents grandparents and even his in laws And the gender ratio of china is messed up they have 30 million more men than women which is disastrous in the long run for civil strife Gradual population stabilisation like that in India and Bangladesh is better for the future the negative growth rate in india and bangladesh will become a reality in this century by then these countries will be better equipped to handle the situation Their better living condition is due to economical initiatives like the special economic zone and being the world's manufacturer

[@babitayadav4806]

@PP I live in mp I've seen living standards improve here astronomically coastal states doesn't mean you become California Odisha is one of the poorest states and west bengals sees no investement from non government and foreign companies haryana apart from gurugram is not rich bhopal is a pretty big city that doesn't make Madhya Pradesh rich Insurgencies in southern states because of migrants from mp up and Bihar !? Bangalore is made up of migrants and that hasn't caused rebellions But yes the 2 child policy shouldnt be forced but should be encouraged more by awareness and female education in rural areas especially as a whole the fertility rate of india isn't 4.5 it's 2.5 or something close to that

[@Illegaalgrondgebruik]

I’m Dutch. Our population went from 3 million to 17 million in just a century. We are very densely populated. It would be a blessing if we go back to 10 or 12 million. Slowly.

[@amazingamx1255]

not something you want

[@iamsearchingforthefiletmignon]

Weird

[@joshua2atkins772]

i’m glad you added slowly on the end

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Then you'll have a country full of old people.

[@mxxmauuhan3597]

But I think Dutch may still be 3 million only.

[@grevberg]

Overlooking the fact that most people pay towards their own retirement all their working life.

[@leilahassim7025]

Many people do not plan for retirement let alone plan adequately for retirement...

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

@@leilahassim7025 Good point!

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

Do most Americans have 401K's or IRA's - ?

[@144Souldier]

@@JohnSmith-eo5sp yes and no. Most Americans with good jobs have 401k

[@bobwinters5572]

Even if they do, all they are really doing is potentially increasing their share of the work output of the people who are working during the years when the retiree is retired. Not that I'm in the natalist camp, the productive output of modern technology combined with the extra space and greater bargaining power for labor available from a lower working population, should make for a better future than present. So long as the politics don't get too aristocratic and dystopian.

[@artursarajs723]

The thing that prevents people from having children in Ireland I would say is expensive housing.

[@kbflorida888]

Please excuse my ignorance, but why is housing so expensive in Ireland? Land prices? Construction costs? Or is other things?

[@natenae8635]

Yeah I thought Ireland was pretty empty unlike the UK how come your prices are so high.

[@artursarajs723]

@@kbflorida888 The main reason why housing is so expensive is because there is so much demand the reason why there aren't enough houses is because of the recession in 2008 in which houses stopped being built also another reason is because many companies just buy up entire estates and just rent out the houses.

[@artursarajs723]

@@natenae8635 The main reason why housing is so expensive is because there is so much demand the reason why there aren't enough houses is because of the recession in 2008 in which houses stopped being built also another reason is because many companies just buy up entire estates and just rent out the houses.

[@TheLastAngryMan01]

@@natenae8635 A few different reasons. 1. Irish people have a culture of owning land/their own house- the roots of this go back to the colonial period, when the majority of people were landless tenants who could be evicted at a moment's notice from landlords, often of the absentee kind. A culture has thus grown up of it being really, really important to own your own dwelling. 2. The dominant political parties (Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael) tend to be supported by landowning/ construction interests. They are very reluctant to regulate this sector in any meaningful way, hence the growth in support for Sinn Féin recently. 3. Ireland's housing crisis in 2008/9 caused the government to enact essentially a firesale, by buying distressed loans in the construction sector at knockdown prices and selling them off, mostly to US venture (vulture?) capitalist firms. These firms have seen how profitable it is to squeeze young people (especially in Dublin's commuter belt) and have started buying up large blocks of apartments/ houses, further restricting supply and driving up mortgage/ rental costs. 4. Linked to 3- the banking crisis in 2008 caused by loose lending practices meant that overnight, regulations were tightened hugely on loans. While this made sense at the time, it hasn't really been adjusted for Ireland's growing economy. But I agree with you that Ireland's very low population density makes it strange that we have such an unaffordable housing market. New Zealand also seems to have similar problems (though perhaps for different reasons).

[@HellDuke-]

Another potential problem with education is how long it takes. Typically at least a university degree is something that is sought after, meaning that you will not be out of uni until ~23-24 years old at best. As people age having children becomes more difficult. I know we are in this boat, because we are in our 30ies and only now are attempting at our first child due to making sure we are stable.

[@snakearekat2634]

I hope your attempts are successful! Sending good luck

[@hamstsorkxxor]

Fertility doesn't really decline all that much in your 30's, a 25 year old has a 87% chance to get pregnant in a year of trying, a 37 year old has about 84% chance. And most of the drop is due to stuff like obesity and genetic conditions. So if you stay healthy and don't have underlying conditions, there is no need to worry.

[@dookyee]

@@hamstsorkxxor while true it does limit the amount of time you have to have more kids. We are in a similar situation, we are discussing kids as we want 3 but starting at age 35 or so means that my gf would need to go really fast to get there

[@daletrotman992]

Who'd want to immigrate to China? Some Chinese are immigrating to the Philippines.

[@marekspot9314]

Yeah, I was able to finish my masters at a university at 29. It was too long, bachelor degree at 24 would´ve sufficed... To this day I´m primarily working and making money to have any chance of starting a family of my own. Not enough money means no woman and no kids. So I won´t probably raise the reproduction number, just drag it down. If I´m a parent, then only an old one :/

[@222ht]

Saying it's unaffordable doesn't explain why Africa's (the poorest continent) population is still growing exponentially

[@hajaraisa9981]

It's no coincidence that poorer countries seem to have higher fertility, birth rates and booming young population

[@vitas75]

Its also easier to rise kids in villages, rather than cities. You just let em go, and they occupy themselves all day long. In a city its too dangerous to let them roam unsupervised til theyre like 8+, so they pester parents all day long out of boredom.

[@리주민]

Some of the safest cities are in Asia. Sounds like you live in america or even now a west European country (no-go zones)

[@evzenvarga9707]

@@리주민 Why western Europe? Portugal, Czechia, Austria and Switzerland are amongst the safest in the world, literally any other parts of the world are more dangerous.

[@hamzad.ismail6202]

@@리주민 from your user name I can tell you’re Chinese or something, when your govt makes it illegal to report anything of course you think it’s safe where you live.

[@jerper7961]

@@hamzad.ismail6202 His name is actually korean

[@vitas75]

@@리주민 it doesn't matter where you live. As long as there are cars, its dangerous to let a 5yo run around unsupervised.

[@1933FOSTER]

The housing in Canada is nuts I'm just north of Barrie Ontario and it's $800 thousand for a house.

[@JKTProductionzIncNCo]

Yea the GTA is insane. Even places like London, Cambridge, Milton, Kitchener, are going through the roof. I guess getting out of urbanized places in Ontario, Quebec, & B.C. are the only short term solutions. But the problem is the government is too dependent on property taxes to ever fix the housing crisis. The higher the value of the house the larger amount they can get via annual property taxes. If there was real economic growth the government wouldn't be dependent on extracting revenue from tax slaves (a.k.a. "citizens") primary place of shelter. Then again Canada has been going up and down between 1971 to 2001. Slowly & steadily going down between 2001 to 2011. And since 2011 the negative rate has been increasing year over year. I suspect after this Corona BS 2021 to 2031 is going to be alot worse than 2001-2011. Hopefully I'm proven wrong; and the bureaucrats stop abusing their tax slaves and actually have a long term prosperous plan. If not then I suspect the immigration rate will continue to slow down, along with the fertility rate, and more people will try for greener pastures. We this already happening the beginning of the brain & labour drain from the West to the East & South. We are seeing a slow and steady increase of Western Europeans & North Americans moving to China, India, Russia, Argentina, Chile, Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Philippines, Turkey, Azerbaijan, & there were 3 African countries that I can't remember at the moment. I hope I'm proven wrong b/c Canada has great potential to be a great power of the 21st Century like the countries on the come up besides China & Russia; we have Iran, Turkey, Nigeria, Indonesia, Vietnam, & India. If countries like Canada, Argentina, Chile, Kazakhstan, Ethiopia, Kenya, Australia, New Zealand, Poland, Hungary, UAE, Rwanda, & Pakistan can get their acts together they possibly have a bright future ahead of them. Also the biggest problem for Canada is going to be as the USA continues to deteriorate we should be expecting climate refugees from the USA by the tens of millions. If not we may see a resurgence of manifest destiny if the worst comes to pass. Hopefully when the time comes the USA balkanizes peacefully instead of starting WW3/4 and or trying to invade Canada for its resources. Also lastly we need to secure our portion of the Artic. Especially concerning the northwest passage. We will need to work with Denmark/Greenland/Iceland on this one though. With their portion of the Artic circle & northwest passage Just like the Russians have secured their northeast passage. Peace.

[@soccerplayer2277]

@@JKTProductionzIncNCo China has a negative net migration and Hong Kong will as well once the Chinese gov't is done with the restructuring. Western Europeans and North Americans on a mass scale will not be leaving to go to any of those countries you listed. All of those countries have an unpredictable future especially with climate change coming. The only desirable countries to move to will be Canada, the U.S (mainly the northern states), and Russia. China will not allow immigration and very few people would want to go there anyways. The U.S will never invade Canada "for its resources". Our country is its biggest customer, our businesses are so integrated with each other it literally would not be feasible. If the U.S invaded Canada half of the corporations on the S&P500 would collapse.

[@tj_yt_]

Lets talk about real estate prices in Sydney

[@mattrichards8090]

@@tj_yt_ Yeah, only in my dreams could by a house for $800,000 in Sydney.

[@colourwheel5703]

That’s cheap compared to the GTA

[@nickreeve9644]

I may be a bit behind in this - when I was growing up we were told that over population was a bad thing (too many mouths to feed / global warming etc. and that the ideal family had just 2 kids.

[@jonarihernandez9522]

That was mostly do to

[@hanguk_kyb]

They lied to you...

[@Subject82]

That was social engineering to wash people's brains into having less children but now the government sees that people took it way too seriously and are afraid of their population falling because a country can't exist if there are no people.

[@Subject82]

@Schwainer mit ai Problem is they din't educate the Africans to stop breeding they instead told us to do so even though our numbers aren't that big.

[@huehuecoyotl2]

Overpopulation is a bad thing. Resources are finite. We need a stable or gently declining population with increased automation to increase the productivity of the remaining productive population.

[@patternrecon5271]

Minimum replacement birth rate: 2.1 EU birth rate: 1.53 Canada birth rate: 1.47 USA birth rate: 1.70 Russia birth rate: 1.50 Australia birth rate: 1.66 Israel birth rate: 3.00

[@TrueNativeScot]

Funny how one certain country is magically above replacement rate while others aren't, despite that country promoting anti-natal ideologies in the other countries listed. What a funny coincedence

[@nikolovivan3161]

The map is inaccurate, Macednoia has a shrinking population but i dont blame you. We havent had a census in over 20 years :).

[@washimpatwary1446]

You mean North Macedonia

[@CodingWithAsad]

lol

[@ander936]

@@washimpatwary1446 maybe he meant real Macedonia in Greece

[@panagiotissioutas9562]

...North Macedonia

[@nikolovivan3161]

@@washimpatwary1446 okej genocide denier

[@aldente9470]

The other solution is to pay working people way more, it's hard to support oneself with the salaries that you sometimes have to accept let alone a family

[@SchemingGoldberg]

If women stop working and become stay at home mothers again, then the wages will double (just like they were before feminism). It's just basic supply and demand. As a bonus, that also makes life easier for pregnant women (since they don't need to work), and the mothers can homeschool their children (easing the burden on the public school system).

[@KateeAngel]

@@SchemingGoldberg no, they won't double. In reality the ownership class will always find a way to keep wages low. In 19th century with "traditional gender roles" wages were barely enough to survive. And stop telling half of population what to do based on group they happen to be born into. "Before the feminism" lol when was it? In 50s-60s? You mean when union membership was much higher and taxes on the rich were higher, and USA experienced rapid growth due to being only developed country not destroyed by WW2, and Europe due to aid from USA and restoration of economy from war destruction? But, surely, wages were higher only cause women rarely worked, aha

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@SchemingGoldberg Wages won't double if the size of the available labor force halves! Instead, businesses which can't find workers will close and the economy will shrink. Bear in mind that if women left the workforce, the remaining male workers wouldn't suddenly become twice as productive to compensate! Consequently, total productivity will halve and economic growth will decrease. As the same time, household incomes will also decrease by whatever percentage was being earned by the woman, leaving households with less disposable income. You've also overlooked that today there are more single women aged 20-30 and more couples without children aged 30-40. Removing these women from the workforce would result in a loss of skilled labor for no gain.

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@SchemingGoldberg Sounds like garbage a MRA would spew

[@iswearshewas1866]

The only solution is to give women less rights like arranged marriages. Eastern Euros have low birth rate but the all the gypsy in those countries have high birth rate because of arranged marriages at a young age

[@alexpotts6520]

Suggested companion piece: countries that are struggling with rapid population growth. Many Afrcian countries are struggling with this, as they have high fertility rates combined with surging life expectancy, meaning their young populations are growing old rather than dying.

[@augustus331]

It's called the demographic transition and Africa is just one step behind Asia.

[@TSGC16]

And then when Pax Americana breaks down, theres going to be mass death there. The only reason they arent turning eachother to shred right now is because the US is there to stop them. I predict a very dark age coming for Africa. And potentially for Europe, with millions of refugees heading for Europe.

[@majintm3979]

@@TSGC16 Meh, things are starting to turn together for some African Nations as well as the Plans for an unified African Body. not to mention you'd more likely see China replace US in that regard

[@TSGC16]

@@majintm3979 True, but that united African Body is very unlikely besides the East African Federation. But im talking about situations like the Egyptian-Ethiopian dam Crisis. If Ethiopia dams the nile, Egypt will turn into chaos and it will probably cause millions of deaths and millions of refugees. 100 million people live in Egypt, if even 1% of those decide to leave for Europe, it will already be the second biggest refugee crisis in European history (besides the Syrian crisis).

[@majintm3979]

​@@TSGC16 That is undeniable , do you think Ethiopia might actually do it?

[@danieldpa8484]

There are 8 billion too many people on the planet - if the population declines naturally over time, more space and quality of life for everyone and maybe even fill employment instead of wage slavery…. I don’t think this is bad, I believe it’s good and should be supported.

[@Irochi]

"China doesn't do immigration" True. Also it's not like a lot of people would like to go there if you can choose Europe.

[@abdullahshabaneh8648]

even if we cant choose Europe communism is worse if i ever go to china ill just try to make money as fast as i can and then go home and you cant make all that much money in china so no one is stupid enough to immigrate there

[@kkmac7247]

@@abdullahshabaneh8648 China is not really communist anymore, not saying I am going there though

[@abdullahshabaneh8648]

@@kkmac7247 aren’t they about to force Hong Kong to be Communist

[@kkmac7247]

@@abdullahshabaneh8648 to be Chinese,and single-party. Fascist Germany was one party, definitely not communist. (yes I know that China is not fascist, just an example)

[@richpirhana9521]

China accepts very few immigrants

[@toriknorth3324]

China: institutes one child policy Also China: "we have a 1.6 fertility rate"

[@sol90981]

I think it used to allow it's ethenic minority to have 2 kids though I doubt that

[@toriknorth3324]

@@sol90981 ah, yeah, that does sound familiar now that you mention it

[@renalazuardi3512]

now they push it into 3 children policy, but no one's is interested tho lmao

[@pyngu4936]

China: surprised Pikachu face.

[@nehcooahnait7827]

@@sol90981 no. Back in the days the 1 child policy didn’t apply to ethnic monitories because of ‘cultural religious differences’ blah blah. The autonomous regions had the power to choose to adopt or not. Some basically adopted it but only applied to Han Chinese living in their regions. The enforcement was arbitrary and very loose in the beginning, then strengthened in late 80s and 90s and loosened again after 2000s. After 2000s the consequences of having more than 1 baby is purely financial and that coincided with China’s explosive economic growth. It was basically a one-time tax to have more babies. people whose first child has disabilities are allowed to have more children. There were also some other exceptions

[@mygetawayart]

Italy's population decline and Japan's population decline are a very similar phenomenon in the way that it's happening and why. It's fascinating to me as an italian and as someone fascinated by Japan. The more i get interested the more things in common i find.

[@ibraced1243]

But you guys don't have Hentai.

[@alessandrodonadi1368]

@@ibraced1243 we have pasta tho...

[@ibraced1243]

@@alessandrodonadi1368 sorry, can't fap to pasta.

[@gnerkus]

Italy has Mario though... Oops. Wrong country.

[@gnerkus]

@@ibraced1243 Don't give Rule34 ideas.

[@The2wanderers]

There is a huge problem of talking about this only in terms of the problems it causes. It falls out of line with our ideas about permanent economic growth, and certainly presents challenges. But global populations are already unsustainably high. Part of solving climate change is, frankly, just having less people. The challenges of low fertility are nothing compared to the challenges of biosphere collapse.

[@hhs_leviathan]

The thing is, people are already hate the current state of the economy to the point where you have conspiracy theories that climate action is just an excuse to lover living standards. A lot of people will not accept another hit to their already precarious monetary situation. The ironic thing is that climate friendly policy is most likely a good thing for the economy but good luck explaining it to a 40 something high school dropout who sees "everything is expensive now! I have to work 12 sifts to keep my car fuelled!" It's an easy mindset to fall into when you hate the economy...

[@tavish1658]

Yep, employees are fighting each other over work, and it's the one who puts in most who keeps the job, which sacrifices free time, as well as personal life such as family development. I think the core issue is people have stopped complaining, which has lead to people believing in working 50-60 hours a week to be normal.

[@detectiverick9934]

But we do complain. Only, we usually complain about pointless things or each other.The rich love seeing the working and middle classes fight. Keeps them in power and the rest of us down

[@lokijordan]

@@detectiverick9934 The rich don't think less of you, they think less *about* you (than you think they do).

[@shanepatrick641]

You guys have insane work weeks! Max I work is 40 hours a week. I live in the UK

[@squirrel9999]

In Serbia the average salary is in the range of 300-400 euros. Impossible to have kids with such low wages.

[@bajlozi6873]

How do we fix ballkans man ;-; There has to be a way *snif*

[@niggacockball7995]

@@bajlozi6873 balkans never been good

[@elseggs6504]

@@niggacockball7995 they were until the Turks came along. And then theres the two balkan wars, two world wars and a few civil wars.

[@ireneuszpyc6684]

@@elseggs6504 Slavs should have united, and never let Turks invade the Balkans

[@elseggs6504]

@@ireneuszpyc6684 maybe, but thats quite unlikely. Not even turkic people did that. And I think the Rus had entirely different issues.

[@247HOPALONG]

We're talking about declining populations when we can't sustain what we have lol

[@melimoo6656]

Exactly. The whole model is wrong. We can’t keep up growth. There aren’t enough resources. But nobody wants to address it. eventually the whole race will go off a cliff.

[@YoGranDaddyEvil]

@@melimoo6656 There is plenty enough resources. Countries would rather spend on military or hedge funds than infrastructure to help developing countries get out of poverty and take care of themselves.

[@Darkmage1000]

We can sustain 9 billion. Thats our cap with current production.

[@Holuunderbeere]

@@Darkmage1000 bro our Planet can't sustain the road we are going, the solar System can

[@Darkmage1000]

@@Holuunderbeere sad reality is life is going to be much worse as our population lowers.

[@georgekiosses7025]

I am a Greek .Greece's population is declining rapidly .When I was a child ,it was 11 million .Now it goes to 10 . In the contrary UK' s population was 61 million when I came ,fifteen years ago and now is 68 .It looks to me that people go wherever there are opportunities .

[@JohanAndersson78]

Migration is just a quick fix that is available right now. In the not so long term, population decline will hit hard everywhere.

[@bikinisforever4163]

We are currently at 7.9 billion worldwide. I would say any decrease would be desirable.

[@muysli.y1855]

World Population grow until 2100

[@huehuecoyotl2]

Increased automation magnifies the productivity of each remaining worker. That's one important variable he didn't discuss.

[@sophiebell4758]

@@muysli.y1855 not quite. At 2100 it will be already declining. From what i have read a few months ago the "highest" point of population will be around 2070. And around 2100 we will already be at under 9 billion again

[@jean-claudelol563]

In 79 years when we hit 10 billion. A lot can change in 79 years to push that growth up higher and longer.

[@SamSam-qk5zr]

The main problem in every country is a cultural one. Having children has a low priority, People say "i will have children only after this and that and money and a bigger house, basically only when my life will be perfect" and it is an impossible to fulfill. It's also about expectations and confidence in the future. While in absolute terms life has never been so good, many people don't see any reason to be optimistic about the future.

[@omegaman7377]

No it's mainly legal. Signing a marital contract for a man has become an acceptation to becoming a slave for his future ex-wife and the State, check the stats on divorce. And having children is taking the risk to go in prison. For a man, this is the worst contract possible.

[@Dave102693]

This

[@Dave102693]

@JDRmm98 exactly

[@emulan5887]

True especially as a 22yo women I have spent my entire life in education, I’m only graduating now and haven’t lived or experienced life the way I’ve always wanted to do for example travelling the world. The idea of having children now gives me so much anxiety, once you have kids your life is not yours anymore everything you do revolves around your kids.

[@SamSam-qk5zr]

@@emulan5887 yes that's what i was trying to say, and perhaps you could afford to have a child (i don't know your situation). It's more about cultural choices than economics. Overall people are better of today than ever before, perhaps the economic reasons have to do with wealth expectations more than objective reasons.

[@Left-is-right-8192]

People don’t have time or money to have children because we’re all busy working to keep the millionaires and billionaires in private jets, houses and of course the huge hoarded bank accounts. When I was young, my parents had about the same as I had on a fairly reasonable single salary. Today i would get way less and have to work way more hours. We’re being squeezed.

[@digitalmohsin]

Thats the real reason of this problem. We buy too much shit we don't need and in that pursuit of nothing we make excuses of not having kids.

[@bdott1538]

@@digitalmohsin no…the reason is we’re being squeezed. Asking folks to only survive so they can procreate is piss poor. Folks want to live, and they want their children to be able to live and live nicely, not just survive. If you can’t make a better world for your kids, why have them?

[@digitalmohsin]

@@bdott1538 Not really, there are people being born in Africa and Asia that are living without 90% of the stuff we take for granted in USA. I can say this as I grew up in one such country where there was no electricity for 10 hrs per day. My car didn't have airbags, I didn't have Alexa, smart bulbs, fancy mattresses, TVs, smart watches, instantpot, entertainment subscriptions still I managed to come to US and still doing better than most people here. The point is our mentality is we gotta have it cuz he/she has it. We consume beyond our means. It's not hard to have two kids we have been having kids for centuries and never faced such shitty time as today.

[@shanepatrick641]

@@digitalmohsin I have only a few airbags in my car since I only buy used. Well some would call me old fashioned and over the hill but I pride myself on wasting much less than others and not being with people just because of their money or material possessions

[@YoutubeModeratorsSuckMyBalls]

@@digitalmohsin really? This thinking is stupid you know? Buy s...t we don't need. Dude have you ever tried living as a monk or a farmer? Do you know how hard firstly mentally this work is? People buy as you called s...t they don't need, cuz they want to feel life, what it is like to live luxurious life. Our parents sold their souls to earn money. Money is the thing which really brings you happiness, i know it sounds harsh, but it is a reality. People constantly look tvs read journals, they see how freakingly great the life of rich people is. But not all of us are talented, but we all want the same thing, so this is why people are dying out

[@V-man117]

I am so sad with the situation in my country Greece 🇬🇷. I love my motherland, i love my people and I hope we can see better days in the future!

[@gokulpayyanur1839]

In this modern age being single makes more sense

[@KateeAngel]

@Vikki Kumar that is a wrong statement. Noone "has to pay" based on their gender, but whatever pair bought together is divided equally, even if it was bought on income of one spouse, plus the child support is paid by a parent, who doesn't have custody, again doesn't matter whether it is father or mother

[@KateeAngel]

@John Ashtone so what makes sense is having only working adults in the household, in the time when we all work a lot, but it only makes billionaires richer, and wages of regular people stagnate

[@filipportman5981]

True. Specially for men, because men spend most of their income on women and men are usually satisfied by a minimalist life. Most of the companies are dependent on female consumerism.

[@tomasvrabec1845]

@Vikki Kumar is that why my Aunt has to pay my uncle after they divorced?

[@tomasvrabec1845]

I mean... Being a couple and having children aren't exactly 1 to 1 with the amounts of childless couples and single parents.

[@lockbert99]

I like the way we simultaneously fret about how many jobs are being replaced by machines or computers or given to China and also worry about a declining population. Oh and throw in concerns about housing costs, resource depletion and usage.

[@KRYMauL]

Actually China's workforce is becoming so industrialized, that their jobs are moving to Malaysia, Vietnam, and India.

[@lockbert99]

@@KRYMauL Unless they move to America the point stands. We shipped and ship manufacturing and office (India) jobs out of the country while the elite create a false narrative about population declines because it means they won’t get as rich as with continuous population growth. Particularly from real estate appreciation.

[@KRYMauL]

@@lockbert99 Real estate "appreciation" does nothing except cover your legacy for inflation because no matter what inflation will occur. Also, there are many office jobs still in the US they are just not call center center. In contrast, there are many manufacturing jobs as well. Source for manufacturing from census.gov www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/10/manufacturing-still-among-top-five-united-states-employers.html

[@lockbert99]

@@KRYMauL It doesn’t matter if there are many. We import people (which makes talk of population decline ridiculous) and export jobs. So the situation has gotten worse for workers. Only a country run by the rich would export jobs and import workers. Real estate appreciation does more than cover inflation. You buy real estate with massive fixed loans. You get the appreciation on what you put in plus the amount that was bought with debt. And real estate appreciates faster than inflation since land is a scarce finite commodity being bid on by an continuously increasing population.

[@KRYMauL]

@@lockbert99 Every country is run by the rich, mate. How about you stay in school and get a job on wall street.

[@papa_woody]

Let's just ignore the fact he just called puerto rico a country.

[@biffaozzie2373]

And Ontario

[@74thartillery__]

All south america is a colony too

[@PatrickDavis28]

Not to mention a massive portion of Puerto Rico's "population decline" came from a huge exodus in the wake of Hurricane Maria, not falling fertility rates.

[@nahueldiaz7572]

@@PatrickDavis28 Yeah, as a Puerto Rican, I don't think the issue is fertility rates. Its just people moving to the US, all in a very short span of time. Hurricane Maria made it worse though, but the issue was already there

[@mateosanfitz9625]

It kinda is

[@thetrax3482]

For someone from Pakistan where population has exponentially exploded in the last two decades, this all seems surreal. Before I lived overseas, my gf from a village in Pakistan had 9 brothers and sisters. Nine! And that wasn’t a particularly exceptional number for the villages. It’s not so much religion as it is the communal way of life.

[@sss-kd9md]

@@qwerasdliop2810 that's not a impressive dream.

[@gloriousleader406]

@@qwerasdliop2810 hope it never happens

[@anshul9462]

@@qwerasdliop2810 even India population is now stabalising with Fertility rate of 2.2

[@gloriousleader406]

@@doandroidsdream1748 how about no people at all?

[@lisaan6322]

@@qwerasdliop2810 i dream of machinery and robots replace humans

[@moorgunandmarshes]

The world does not need more people. We need a new economic plan that works for less people. Work smarter and live smarter, after all we are suppose to be the smartest animals on the planet, except it seems economists and people that listen to their mantra.

[@sophiebell4758]

@We're living in a paradox. We humans got to this point and we get more and more. If we are as much as 50 oder 100 years aho that wouldnt be that bad. And its not only about the amount of people, if everyone gets educated to a high level the chance if someone creating something new is higher than a society that is 10 or more times bigger but only gives a few people the high education

[@ivovandevelde2165]

Less people with higher quality life and more egalitarian is the answer to majority of problems.

[@TR4R]

Yes indeed. Our whole economic system and civilization need a major restructuring and a new approach to what is really important in life. Unfortunately I think the necessary changes won't happen. Brace yourselves and prepare for the global economic crash.

[@Lea-rb9nc]

You advocate for a new economic plan that works for fewer people, the GOP has the same plan. Humans are not the smartest animal on the planet. If they were, they wouldn't be obsessed with destroying it.

[@billcipherproductions1789]

The World does need a stable population growth so that there are enough young to replace the old.

[@vinniechan]

Unaffordable house price is the best form of birth control

[@elodin857]

on the contrary

[@meneither3834]

@@elodin857 if I can't get a house I'm not attracting any partner. And I can't make kids alone.

[@elodin857]

@@meneither3834 true, but generally the richer the country the less they have kids. You can atract a partner without a house for a while though.

[@meneither3834]

@@elodin857 I don't see how reproducing habits of the wealthy change that fact, I get that you're saying that "even people with that can easily afford a house still don't have many children." But that's unrelated to my problem right now.

[@elodin857]

@@meneither3834 I know I know, it is unrelated to your problem in a way. I'm just pointing out that people have managed to have kids in the worse conditions throughout history and we can't even get to do it in the easiest time to have them.

[@haku3326]

I live in Spain and people just can't afford having babies. The wages are not high, there's a huge % of unemployed people, and some provinces' population is declining EXTREMELY fast (for example, León or Zamora). I don't think the government will be able to solve this. There is not a solution.

[@eatinsomtin9984]

the solution is stop caring about so much worldly things and have kids. But you guys are not religious so you wont care

[@sumitsaxon7732]

Make a video on Israel’s fertility rate, how Israel maintains a fertility rate of 3.1 even though they are a developed country and allow abortions.

[@volvok7749]

Religion

[@herlescraft]

If I'm not mistaken Israel is very religious, i don't know enough about the culture in relation womens, but it is a factor in other places.

[@theblackswordsman9951]

As others have said. They are very religious and this is a big contributor.

[@chainepolitique5625]

Israeli nationalist have many children to have a bigger population than Palestinians, and vice-versa

[@mrmagoo-i2l]

They will feel it is their duty. After a certain mustachio having Austrian was as Monty Python would say “a very naughty boy”.

[@larona2220]

I am from Botswana and our highly educated working-age demographic is being heavily poached by Canada, the US, the UK, and Australia...it's incredibly sad to watch and it has been a major concern for a while now. there should be strict policies that guard against poaching highly skilled individuals from developing nations so that we don't get stuck in that "developing" phase. but at the end of the day, I do understand that the wages here are frustratingly low while the cost of living is as high as that of high-income countries...sighs heavily...

[@KESAUNDRAMAlves]

As a point of interest... I remember back in 90s my country (Guyana, South America) had a mass exodus of teachers to Botswana as a result of recruitment drives.

[@michaeldobson107]

People go where the money is, Larona. That has never changed. That is especially true with highly educated and skilled workers. I wouldn't blame the countries that hire these people, but rather your own government for not addressing the problem of how to hold those highly educated, skilled workers in country.

[@larona2220]

@@KESAUNDRAMAlves I never knew! Truly interesting. I believe at the time we did not have enough citizen professionals...my parents were highschoolers in the 90s and they affirm having had teachers from parts of Africa, South America, and Europe

[@larona2220]

@@michaeldobson107 I agree with you entirely.

[@hollister2320]

@@michaeldobson107 mf said “poached” like those countries go out of their way to nab their population 😂😭 trust me, they don’t need to when everyone is coming to them

[@khoalb]

I wonder if the expansion of remote work will help reverse population declines. If people can work from home away from cities, expensive land will be less of an issue.

[@billcipherproductions1789]

But cities will still be the place most people will live because then you don't have to drive an hour to go to the nearest McDonalds.

[@JB-kx9bx]

If work from home becomes something companies can pull off successfully they'll just outsource those jobs to Asia.

[@railroadforest30]

No people need to stay in cities otherwise there won’t be any nature left

[@billcipherproductions1789]

@@railroadforest30 Each for their own.

[@railroadforest30]

@@billcipherproductions1789 not enough room in the world that’s why we need live in cities

[@irishdance0890]

I’m failing to see why this is a problem when we literally have billions of ppl on this earth.

[@eddielong8663]

Um... maybe because this doesn't apply to third world cesspools in Africa, much of the Middle East, and certain countries from East and South Asia as well. Never thought for a second that these people who's culture is clearly, for the most part, incompatible with ours, will simply be encouraged to migrate here and essentially make up the numbers for declining Western fertility rates, did you? And eventually when they've outnumbered the parent culture in the Western country they've migrated to, will vote in numbers to change the fabric of it. You hipster trendies with your save-the-planet-by-not-having-anymore-kids vibes, will be thrown out the window. But it likely won't happen in your lifetime so you need not worry with future generations who want to be like you, who won't inherit the same libertarian freedoms that you were entitled to, because you let other more dominating cultures in to take over. So why would you care?

[@tentringer4065]

@@eddielong8663 don't fall into the monoculture trap. Avoid crass generalisations.

[@eddielong8663]

@@tentringer4065 Sweden now has one of the highest rates of sexual assault cases in the world. Of course, the left-wing cucked media will try and spin it and turn it all into a "toxic masculinity" issue and conveniently ignore race to push their own agenda. But anyone without rocks in their head can easily join the dots. That's what a country gets for being "tolerant" and welcoming to foreign illegals from the third world. Enjoy multicultural "enrichment".

[@tentringer4065]

@@eddielong8663 Sweden changed the legal definition of rape in 2018 to sex without consent. Unlike in many countries, prosecutors do not have to prove the use or threat of violence or coercion. So comparisons with other nations are not like with like. As for race, it is distinct from culture and background.

[@eddielong8663]

@@tentringer4065 Sex without consent. Right... so that essentially falls into the category of sexual assault. Same thing really. Breaking news, that one. I don't know what they're trying to prove to be honest. Same with you for bringing it up. Just seems like a convenient way to detract from the case in point. Sweden's rape statistics were on the rise long before 2018. Nothing can deter the fact that the country's statistics concerning any form of sexual assault, have mysteriously gone up and up with the rise of multiculturalism and feminism starting last century. The rise of promiscuity among women, the breakdown of the traditional nuclear family, the rise of divorce, the fall of traditional marriage, the rise of gay marriage, the rise of single motherhood. It all correlates together. I understand it goes against the cute little politically correct mainstream narrative, and you can try and counter with as many useless platitudes as you want, but you're not convincing for a second.

[@MaximusLight]

As a millennial born in Canada, I'd love to have some children but aside from the general difficulty of just finding someone who actually shares my values and the difficulties with refusing not sacrificing a personal life for a career it doesn't really matter how much I *want* children haven't them simply isn't a possibility. (either I get a good paying job and sacrifice more of my personal life or I find a woman who wants to work but generally that also means not having children because it will hurt their career prospects) It's the kobayashi maru of having children.

[@Lickymaballs]

yup the cost of living is going through the roof its getting ruff and all the things happening in canada are just going to continue to make life more expensive. its almost better for you to go gay and have a buddy than to get a woman pregnant and have all that expense that you cant afford.

[@paulallen6928]

That last line already determined you are VERY unlikely to have kids anyways

[@EzioAuditore-vr1oy]

@@paulallen6928 lmao. What a sad fate

[@MaximusLight]

@@paulallen6928 Actually I'm a second generation Trekkie so I've statistically already proven you wrong.

[@walrustrent2001]

Go full Kirk and cheat. They say that having a great life is being able to pay for things you don't need (with money you don't have) ; and having time to kill with distractions that will make you feel empty. Don't fall for that : having a great life is living for your family. Find a woman who thinks likewise and is thus ready to forego her carreer and to have children before she turns 30. Your kids will be raised with exactly what is good for them : few things & dedicated parents. Your wife won't have the stress of combining family life and the pursuit of a carreer - and she definitely can start a full-time job at 40 once the last kid reaches high-school. You can have your can *then* eat it, you see. You will have the most meaningful life a man can hope for. Having a family depend on you is the last adventure. Just don't get afraid of not being secure - because there is no such thing in real life.

[@TammyJerkChicken]

I just think having kids isn’t even on my mind right now

[@elodin857]

sad

[@elodin857]

@@pengy897 It happens all the time lately. Women don't even think about having kids because for some reason in our culture it's seen as just a deadweight and then when they try to at 30 1/3rd already can't.

[@NotePortal]

I want to have kids once I’m out of college and get a job that pays at least 90k (I’m doing web development) so that it’s easier to take care of them.

[@deathbower]

@@elodin857 "For some reason in our culture it's seen as just a deadweight" Do you have any other words that describe having to deal with kids? At the same time they're going through their early career and getting set up in life, women need to make a choice: Career on hold for kids or kids on hold for career? Kids are immensely expensive, especially for the first decade when you need childcare if you don't have a parent at home all the time. That's ignoring the huge chunks of time off work that you need to factor in for maternity leave. It's also ignoring the fact that I'm pretty certain the time pregnant isn't a fun time for the mother. I'll probably never understand why people have kids in the first place. It all seems like no upside and all downside to me.

[@elodin857]

@@deathbower prime example of what I said. Why the hell is a carreer preferable than having your own children? Of course it's hard, but it's the most rewarding thing in most people's lives. A job is what you do to get money.

[@theMoporter]

Man, I'm starting to think an economic system based on constant growth is unsustainable or something.

[@pokemasterx4244]

It is unsustainable

[@pokemasterx4244]

Lmao, so many right wing idiots in this comment section who want to force people to have sex and make babies

[@tylerian4648]

Likewise for constant reduction. Barring improvements from technology, the best case is a stable population that stays somewhat uniform in size *and composition* over time.

[@sonoftheway3528]

@RoastWorthy leave the west and all of civilization. you are a detriment.

[@stephendowds8211]

Why does this discussion focus exclusively on the problems. Population decline is not a disaster. It creates problems (as discussed in this video) and benefits (not mentioned). These include: reduced impact on the environment due to reduced consumption, fewer vehicles, less energy use, less mining, less travel, less agriculture etc etc etc. It also reduces the need for houses, schools, workplaces etc etc.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

You are right. But the politicians are shit-scared because they keep winning elections by promising generous pensions to a certain cohort that is very large and influential; those pensions can only be maintained by an ever-growing population. So they have to frame it as the one big issue.

[@christopheklinger3217]

Population decline on planet earth: GREAT !!

[@DhruvPatel-zg1zs]

It is pretty good news.

[@masihullahhasanyar1084]

no just in developed countries while it is exploding in poor countries like Africa and middle east. even in my country Afghanistan, despite war and poverty, it is so much increasing. we really dont know what to do with our people

[@halalpolice23]

@@masihullahhasanyar1084 What is your problem? Your pple dead in war of 20 years and they need to recover it. So I don’t get why you need declining population or i misunderstood y?

[@masihullahhasanyar1084]

@@halalpolice23 well. Having a young generation is a blessing if the economy works well and there are enough jobs, else it will increase the crime rate and will provide basis for their recruitment in terrorist groups. This is exactly what we are seeing now. Overpopulation while lack of investment

[@selalewow]

there was a population boom in the 50's and now that is correcting itself. Short term pain for long term gain.

[@kshitijbachhav5332]

What an irony people used to fear about overpopulation some years back.

[@maxbraddy8003]

The global population is still growing. Its only these countries in decline, mostly from the west

[@bs-yn7su]

@@maxbraddy8003 true but global population too will reach its peak and decline

[@run2cat4run]

@@maxbraddy8003 where the pollution are at their worse

[@DerDill]

Overpopulation was never an issue. Underpopulation is

[@wannabewallaby1592]

overpopulation is an issue, we do not have unlimited production

[@aaronglover752]

In Canada, we have a massive housing crisis. It's extremely expensive in Toronto and Vancouver. This is because most of the 400000/year migrations want these cities. Another factor is that the Millennium population, which is the biggest population demographic are all trying to get in the market too.

[@runningfromabear8354]

Canadian gov really should be building social housing to go WITH the proportionally large immigration to population ratio. Any country I've lived in, immigrants will cluster in places other people from their nation came from. They create supportive communities to help them survive and navigate systems like: What is a SIN card? What is a tax return and I how do I fill it out? It's unrealistic to expect the bulk of immigrants to go anywhere but major cities. Even if you look at Roman and Greek times, immigrants arrive in cities.

[@Subject82]

Then shut down the flood gates and let the Canadians sort things out. With a declining population, the cost of housing decreases and this may be all that middle class canadians need to reproduce once again. Now, the retirement funds need to be re arranged into a construct that isn't a pyramid scheme....

[@amazingamx1255]

@@runningfromabear8354 and those immigrants that cluster together in Canada are generally racist towards minority ethnicities in those areas. especially in canada

[@amazingamx1255]

@@Subject82 Yea, but proposing something like that is labelled as racist. and I'm ethnic Afghan who gets mistaken for white sometimes

[@Subject82]

@@amazingamx1255 Pardon if I might sound insulting or condescending it's not my intention, why don't you change your name and religion to "fit in" and not be discriminated against. Many european migrants in the 20th century anglicized their last names to pass as anglo saxon that way they wouldn't be looked down on by the upper class. My ancestors for example, changed their names and converted to the dominant religion in the region.

[@nikkiross128b]

It’s not a problem, it’s the solution… it’s the solution to the very large problem of overpopulation, climate change, shrinking resources, shrinking habitable land and much more. Therefore we should embrace it! However, for the quality of life of the remaining population a soft landing is preferred, so a population rate just below 2 is probably best.

[@latymz]

Too many people on this planet anyway. People are tired of struggling only to be taxed into Oblivion. Retirement is another issue. People are just trying to live and enjoy life without the corporations using us like a disposable Duracell battery.

[@neel6922]

Duracell battery 🤣🤣

[@souravmukherjee4987]

"Spain, Quebec, Ireland" Dude Quebec is still a province, don't provoke another referendum again, lol.

[@ethanelpendejo]

Vive le Québec Libre 😏

[@souravmukherjee4987]

@@ethanelpendejo good luck 🙂

[@vasugarg863]

Destabilizing countries since 1490s. British will be british 🤣🤣

[@danielbenner7583]

2:36 actually, South Korea's fertility rate in the last few years has been: 2017: 1.05 2018: 0.98 2019: 0.92 2020: 0.84 2021: Could go as low as 0.7

[@Zero-ok9ze]

Yeah it's the only country with fertility rate less than one

[@KateeAngel]

@@Zero-ok9ze less than 1 you mean?

[@Zero-ok9ze]

@@KateeAngel oops yeah

[@plumeria66]

Taiwan is the lowest in the world at 0.7

[@danielbenner7583]

@@plumeria66 i can find any article that says Taiwan’s TFR is that low; the most common number I get is 1.07 for 2020.

[@koalasandwich567]

Thanos after watching this vid: This does put a smile on my face.

[@patrickmc8779]

Maybe, just maybe if there were more policies against house hoarding and they increased the supply in construction to lower housing prices, more young people would be willing to buy a house and start a family. But as usual greed has its long term price.

[@sryan9547]

The reason behind all this is capitalism. We see everything in terms of finance and children are simply a bad investment - they are incredibly expensive and they don't give you any bonuses. In our economic system it simply makes more financial sense to be single and childless

[@secretsecret1713]

True my friend. You are right

[@zoeolsson5683]

Hey I was pregnant with my first and the physio I needed to see because pregnancy related pain startled me by saying people not having children were so very very selfish. I was shocked. Just as shocked when folks say people having children is selfish.

[@theepiccommenter7833]

@@zoeolsson5683 i meant in countries with a 1B + population, sorry for being rude if you were talking to me

[@zoeolsson5683]

@@theepiccommenter7833 countries with 1B populations already have their fertility rates falling below replacement value. Children are a joy but as S Ryan put it "are simply a bad investment" Society expects to have it's cake and eat it too. It wanted women to strenghthen the economy but does not realise how critical that traditional"work' women used to do was. Mothers are unpaid labourers for the investment of the future economy. all they get is a crumby card and bunch of flowers once a year. Could you imagine companies/businesses being expected to make infrastructure for society without any financial input? oh the sooks they would give to the government. To be honest both men and women need to spend time together after the birth of their baby to strengthen each other and their family unit promote breastfeeding and bonding - basically serving their new mini over lord. And society just needs to realise that 's the cost .... the dinks and the sinks need to start taking part in the care economy too. you can't see yourself as just a worker but also a carer too. (I am using hetronomitive/intact family terms but rushing off and easier to just get the idea out using old language - just a comment on a youtube page - but of course my terms and languages needs to promote inclusivity and families of allsorts.) Typically leadership of most countries of the west are rich boys from single sex schools - they don't get real world people. We here in Australia have had a falling fertility rate for 40 years. 40 years no one has done anything. So people with uteruses have this super power to take this tiny contribution and make another human being. And misogynistic society says yep you get nothing for all that work. Many women want to have babies but having a career gives you respect and a financial future .... babies not so much.

[@zoeolsson5683]

@@theepiccommenter7833 oh and sorry for my ranty reply .... lol... unsuspectedly comes out .... I used to earn big money now nothing as a mum and I have never worked as hard in my whole life. I have chosen poverty but I can see how others would make different choices. To casually apply a blanket people having children as selfish is shocking. the choice to have children is personal and people should be supported to have children if that's what they want to do. Society gets great benefit from having children .... it's got to stop thinking it's free.

[@saritysanimation]

Population decline is not a problem. Maybe wages can become livable again when there isn't as much labor available to exploit for cheap.

[@ewoudalliet1734]

Demand will drop as well then; so less need of production, thus less need of labour.

[@HolyknightVader999]

It is a problem. Less people means less consumers and workers, also LESS TAX MONEY. Say goodbye to your first-world status, and hello to the poorhouse.

[@saritysanimation]

@@ewoudalliet1734 Higher paid labor due to decreased availability of workers becomes more purchasing power in the hands of consumers, which will stabilize demand. Quality of life over quantity of lives.

[@saritysanimation]

@@HolyknightVader999 It's only a problem if your economic model relies on endless growth. If your labor pool is shrinking, pay higher wages and you'll raise taxable income + consumer spending per worker.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@saritysanimation You'll pay higher wages for the same labor? That's a great way to lose profitability. You'll produce the same shit, but it'll cost more, since you're paying workers more, so their increased wages don't affect anything since you've increased the cost of labor.

[@will2-b150]

This problem comes from treating people like numbers instead of people.

[@MDP1702]

Something that will be interesting to see is whether we'll get in the future smaller work weeks/hours due to automatisation. If so, this might also have an impact on the birthrate. When people get more free time (and maybe can even split it, like father works in begin of the week, mother the end), they might be more inclined to get children. However if we ever would get such a reduced work hours system, we'll need a large overhaul of the current system. As it stands companies will just use automatisation as a cost cutting procedure, causing jobs loss, poverty and more people on government subsidies/pay outs. Especially taxation of companies will need to get updated and possibly more government interference in the market/(half) government companies.

[@theblackswordsman9951]

UBI would solve the automation issue and people who don't have kids because of financial insecurety would be more likely to.

[@HansVonMannschaft]

You optimist! Automation does not lead to more free time. Capitalists make sure of that. They reap all the benefits of automation for themselves.

[@MDP1702]

@@theblackswordsman9951 UBI certainly could/would be a part of this system overhaul I mentioned.

[@ninjadog5800]

The issue with automatization is that it does the opposite and takes people away from their jobs and gives them no options in life to make money therefore making life 1000x harder than what it would have been otherwise.

[@MDP1702]

@@HansVonMannschaft Which is why I mentioned the need for a system overhaul, possibly even further (partial) nationalisation of industries overtime or more employee power in companies.

[@brucesims3228]

Just got finished watching a video on the unsustainable nature of the current population on this planet. Now another source is bemoaning the slowing population growth in certain countries. And then we wonder why nobody seems to have solutions to our problems. Might help if people would agree on problems and what those problems are.

[@Apokalypse456]

ehhm... economists lament that less people = less production = less profits. biologists warn about environmental problems, less people = less pollution + more sustainability. its not really hard to understand

[@exploitsrootbeer4829]

@@Apokalypse456 Well I think the population will collapse

[@florentin4061]

The problem is capitalism. Read Marx

[@algarviomarafado4814]

I am Portuguese. Here the minimum wage is 665€ and usually rent prices are 500€

[@armandoneri3607]

How can people have children when the super rich are devouring the world's wealth and leave nothing for the average man to support his family?

[@Otterstone]

Wealth inequality absolutely exist in Africa but they still have many kids for the purpose of trying to get their family to become wealthier since kids are easily affordable and will provide the family with wealth

[@mariannerichard1321]

The video is missing the hard journey to get a decent, stable job. Whereas the baby boomers could land a good pay by their late teens, the current generations are still renting apartments with friends in their mid-twenties, still paying their schooling debts. These will land a good job in their early thirties, if ever, and they will have lost 25 years to start their families compare to the baby boomers. It's the same problem in Asia too, only a few will land good job right out of the university, the large majority will struggle through their 20s. About China, even if they would welcome more immigrants, their population is over 1 billion! Would even all the ones who desire to move out of their country be enough to feed the beast?

[@effexon]

I followed some chinese topics of these issues and youth there have exact same problems as in west: that decent job struggle, astronomical house prices very few can afford, rising prices of food and necessities, long commutes and working hours... they dont really need immigrants but these issues somehow addressed... some even suggest they will have food and water, perhaps energy shortage during next decade or two

[@ente866]

1:35 croatia annexed serbia and you just started another balkan war

[@JKras779]

Noticed that as well xD

[@BruhBuhic]

Serbia heart of Croatia? 🤔

[@Igyzone]

NDH on the rise again

[@petardrmac132]

I was just searching for angry serb comments about it. I found none, so they probably want it to happen. Also, bih is spelled wrongly with z

[@finden3362]

Hello again

[@Raptor302]

There's another dimension: materialism. As humans have developed and quality of life has improved, people have started to live for themselves. It used to be that starting and raising a family was considered the gold standard for happiness (back when baseball was the primary consumer of free time). Now, self fulfillment coupled with all the comforts of a modern world make family creation less enticing when you have other ways of making yourself happy.

[@Mr.Nichan]

I find it very difficult to get worried about falling population.

[@patrickmcclanahan2856]

Yeah? Well wait till you see the political and social problems that come with it….

[@Mr.Nichan]

@@patrickmcclanahan2856 Firstly, the core problem is aging population, not falling population. Secondly, this mostly happens in countries that are already rich. We may get poorer, but we'll still be rich compared to the world, and technology-driven growth in effective wealth may offset this slump, anyway. The biggest issue is in China and the former Eastern Bloc States, which are only middle income but have aging populations and some brain drain. (I've heard this attributed to the way they industrialized before getting as rich as they would for industrialization to start in a capitalist system, but idk.) In any case, though, falling populations mean it will be easier to find resources for everyone in the long run. We won't have to make ever more intensive forms of agriculture and destroy the environment more and more just to avoid people starving and otherwise dying from lack of resources. (Unfortunately, the places these issues are most likely to come up in still have high population growth rates, but they are dropping fairly rapidly as those places urbanize (moving to the economics of wage labor and away from family farming), and get access to education, modern medicine, contraceptives, etc. Also, a lower total population and especially less rich people lowers some climate effects like CO2 emmissions and, if an economic system redistributed resources the right way, lower total population would reduce pressure even on populations whose fertility rate stayed higher longer. That last one is maybe overly optimistic, though, excepting our current, limited and somewhat economically and politically problematic, international aid and charity systems.)

[@taxusbaccata5961]

Population decline is good, but it has to be done right. Everyone screams about aging populations, but this would only be temporary. If succeeding generations continued to remain small, then by the time they got old, there wouldn't be as many to support. The age demographics would balance out. It has to be consistent, though. It also has to be worldwide and not just in certain countries. There are bad things about growing populations: ecological degradation, species extinction, pollution, overcrowding, etc. Some say there is plenty of open space in the world. Yes, there is. Maybe it should stay that way. .

[@kitemanmusic]

remember when the worry was over-population?

[@Affluent-Ghetto-Blackman]

@@patrickmcclanahan2856 Like what? What negative can you possible imagine? Oh oh the future governments won’t have as many taxpayers. Bitch please.

[@jean-claudelol563]

As long as the developed countries requires a two income household to survive, population growth is doomed. No one has the time and energy for larger families when both parents are working and both parents have to work to make ends meat. It would require an economic shift back to what it use to be in the 1950's and before where one parents income was enough to raise a family and the other parent could afford to stay home and raise and care for the children. Today we are working like dogs and even two working parent households are often not enough to make it financially.

[@azreal1234]

Yes, my husband and I want children. However, it takes both of us working full time to make ends meet and keep our heads above water. We can't fathom how we are going to met bills if I have to take off work to deal with everything that comes with just pregnancy let alone later.

[@azreal1234]

@@basilmagnanimous7011 We are in the US . With inflation as high as it is together before taxes we make around 80,000 a year factor in side jobs like my esty shop and my husband helping everyone he can. About 90,000. So the single income would have to about 90 just to keep our heads above water. Factor in a kids and unexpected events for comfortable living (not worrying about bills or what we are going to eat). I would say at least 100,000 a year. Most likely more as things pop up like medical bills, house repair, car repair, daycare as needed if needed ect. We each work a full 40 at each of our main jobs and at least 20 a week at side jobs/helping friends and family. Our dive time is about 2 hours round trip each.

[@azreal1234]

@@basilmagnanimous7011 We are striving and failing with inflation to have the house be no more then 1/3 to 1/2 of our total income. Other bills like utilities and gas another 1/3 and at the moment groceries are eating up the remainder of our money. There is no buffer we are one or two bad days away from having to choose what not to pay. It's heart breaking because we have been working our tail feathers off. We both finished school got higher edu and went right into work and never left. Currently I'm trying to finish nursing school because its the only way we see of making enough money to maybe have a family. I wanted to be a doctor but that might have to come later due to funds.

[@otherssingpuree1779]

Countries will allow immigration. The immigrants will have to work for lesser pay lowering the pay of locals who will then have even lesser children. As the immigrants are educated, they will have lower birth rates as well and the cycle continues.

[@matchampagne]

Thank you so much for all your work and research. I am deeply touched that you even included us from Québec as an example for the third variable for population decline (religion) in a society. As well as the way you objectively address all topics as best you can and giving us insight from all angles as much as possible. Merci beaucoup, bonne journée!! 👍🏻⚜️👌🏻💙🤍💪🏻

[@BathSaltBadger]

I'm from the GTA (Greater Toronto area) Our houses average 6-700,000 CAD (560k USD) Average household income is after taxes 62,000. Not to mention is instability of relationships nowadays in North America and soaring divorce rates.

[@shanepatrick641]

I thought you meant Grand Theft Auto (An American video game)

[@Souchirouu]

It is technically impossible to have infinite growth in a world with finite resources. If humanity wants to survive we must find a way to maintain our species without relying on the infinite growth model.

[@frenchneocolonialism2908]

Ever thought of asteroid mining?

[@NightBlado]

Even if mining planets, those are finite. Therefore decrease in population is a plus, instead of negative like the video suggests.

[@frenchneocolonialism2908]

@@NightBlado The resources in our solar system are so vast they are practically infinite to us. Even if we would run out at some point we would have such advanced technology to travel to other systems/recycle/or find an entire different way

[@mwanikimwaniki6801]

@@NightBlado Lol. They aren't. Not for us at least.

[@merlijnheins3220]

@@NightBlado then please don't cry because your taxes are 4 times as much as now

[@arielleung3917]

The decline of birth rates is a natural consequence from increasing productivity and lifestyle shift. I don't think it's reasonable to maintain the birth rates decades ago or even a century ago. That's just not how a society develops. However, I do agree that birth rates in some countries are dropping beyond this. What gov policies should focus upon is not to stimulate having kids by monetary means, but to relieve the burden off the shoulder of women who postpone or give up pregnancy due to financial/time problems.

[@jonathan13co]

@@jessesinclair3861 Why are you the way that you are? Their purpose is equal rights and educating dumbasses such as yourself that men are also VERY capable of giving a hand raising their own children. Besides, most households nowadays require much higher funding 1 person just wouldn't be able to sustain. This has nothing to do with feminism and especially nothing to do with LGBT.

[@nunnie768]

@@jessesinclair3861 younger people just don't want kids because they think there are more important things in there life than to raise another

[@nunnie768]

@@jessesinclair3861 I don't know if not having kids young and having less accidental kids is pretending to be men. wouldn't having kids if you don't want them be wasting your lives

[@jonathan13co]

@@jessesinclair3861 Well, that largely depends where you live, but workplace discrimination and strict abortion laws( not letting the women have a say in the matter) just to name but a few serious ones that still exist even in western countries. But fuck that, who cares? That's not my point, so don't even try going there. My point is your belief that these ideologies/organizations try "reducing white people's birth rates". How retarded is that? Just because you want a TOOL to raise your kids and keep quiet doesn't mean others want that too. Now do the world a favor and hire a nanny for your kids if you think that burden should fall under 1 person. "Entirely planned strategy" lmao.

[@jonathan13co]

@@jessesinclair3861 Why do you keep diverting the subject? I have no interest in discussing human/women's rights with you and it wasn't mentioned in order to "generate an emotional response", it's literally feminism's and LGBT's sole purpose. What interests(or atleast used to) me is: -What gives you the notion women aren't being exposed to both options. - Why you're so obsessed with their "fulfilment in life" only being a housewife, especially when it's possible doing both. - And why, oh why, do you actually think it affects world population in such a manner that's even worth mentioning? Seems like you're just forcfully shoving your agenda on unrelated subjects to piss people off. Congrats, you succeeded.

[@jtjr26]

I doubt some nations will take this lying down. Some will try to encourage people to have more children with helpful social policies. It will be interesting to see what more dictatorial countries do when faced with a labor shortage. I could see some outlawing abortion or even birth control. This will have its own set of problems but I could foresee it happening.

[@erikrinard]

I imagine they'll resort to importing cheap, foreign labor through shady means before they start getting hyper aggressive with forcing their own citizens to have more kids.

[@jenniferhoffman7133]

Its already happened. Read up on Iran

[@effexon]

labor shortage is smallest of world problem, already record numbers of migrant workers travel to abroad location for work

[@noishfanboy1141]

this has kinda already happened in places like singapore for example which the government who could and could not be considered a dictatorship although most people generally agree that the stranglehold of the dominant party is quite immense have tried implementing policies for their working population to more easily have children.now as of right now it hasnt really done anything much since the birth rate is still horrendously low and the main reason is really just that people work too many hours to consider raising a child.even with singapores abundance of domestic helpers from neighboring SEA countries many parents just are not keen on not having time to see their kids in their busy day to day lives.

[@theawecat27]

or maybe developed "democratic" countries like the us will start outlawing abortion and birth control! woohoo (:

[@neotropos]

Declining populations are a good thing - most countries are grossly overpopulated in terms of their ecological capability to sustain that many people

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Yeah, we should nuke some countries to reduce population, let's start with Africa where most people are in poverty and often cannot buy enough food, the issues is definitely not the countries that are producing most waste and religiously engaged in consumerism.

[@neotropos]

@@Hhhh22222-w that's not what I said at all, is it now? The biggest polluters by far per capita are the wealthy Western nations

[@ShayNoMore1]

Ok Let's clean India Let me borrow some nukes from Biden Just a second

[@omerk1860]

Rapid automation and guaranteed financial rights (like universal basic income) can easily solve this "problem" we don't need more People we have enough.

[@zesky6654]

"But that would be communism, can't we just enslave people and force them to breed instead" - the average pro-natalist

[@chudchadanstud]

@@zesky6654 We did UBI in 2020 and inflation went up. Also UBI is not sustainable. Any basic maths will tell you that. Sure it works in small populations nit it doesn't translate well on a large population. The only way to beat this for you to make wise decision about your future. You can no longer choose shoddy degrees that anyone can do from the comfort of their couch.

[@shiny_teddiursa]

@@chudchadanstud lol at you blaming the fall in birthrate on art degrees and not the shitty economic system in which young people can’t even buy a home in. Chicken-breast brain take.

[@chudchadanstud]

@@shiny_teddiursa I never blamed it at art degrees. I said it's time to make wise decisions about your future now. Nothing is stopping you from doing art and being a doctor. My father is a doctor and he enjoys sculpting. I'm an automation engineer and I like 3d sculpting. You need multiple streams of revenue in the 21st century.

[@shiny_teddiursa]

@@chudchadanstud We shouldn’t need multiple sources of income just to have kids, we should address the economic policies that have ended us up in a system that strangles young people financially. No one will have kids when they can barely afford rent, let alone a house mortgage.

[@EdgelordOfEdginess]

I mean couldn’t low birth rate be countered by machines taking jobs and companies pay pensions of old people depending on how many machines they have per workplace?

[@vinniechan]

Human being (needs and desires) drive economic growth and development There are only so many fridges and BMW Ur robots are gonna buy

[@리주민]

Andrew Yang of the US proposed a robot tax. Neither he nor biden became the nominee because the party elite wanted Biden.

[@alvinlin8140]

Yes but if your fertility rate remains low you will go extinct, robots or no robot s

[@caroline10081]

@@vinniechan They solved that by making everything go obsolete faster. Our grandparents had phones that lasted decades. They bought one set of appliances when they moved into their new home. We re-decorate every 5 years. They kept the same couch (and decor) for decades. They also did not throw away as many clothes, shoes and glasses as we do now. Basically, each of us consume like 10 of them from restaurant meals to vacations to specialty coffee to streaming sites. We'll pay for incredibly advanced end-of-life medical care and assistance and pay that for years more than they did. Luckily we inherit their money. It's supposed to be the greatest transfer of wealth ever.

[@Iskandar64]

In the West and other developed economies having children has become a huge economic burden in a way it was not for my parents. I think it's something so far undefined to do with the accumulation and concentration of wealth by the ultra e!ites.

[@Frenchfrys17]

I think it has more to do with how minors are locked out of the job market and have no economic output solely because of our current morality system. If it was more socially acceptable for older to have apprenticeship jobs or work part time jobs for 20 hours a week in non dangerous jobs, it would decrease the financial burden on having children by alot.

[@patternrecon5271]

Minimum replacement birth rate: 2.1 EU birth rate: 1.53 Canada birth rate: 1.47 USA birth rate: 1.70 Russia birth rate: 1.50 Australia birth rate: 1.66 Israel birth rate: 3.00

[@elizabethboothe2774]

@@patternrecon5271 In the USA government policies have not helped make it feasible to have children. Childcare is very expensive and no family leave policy. Endless attacks at funding public education especially higher education mean only the rich can afford them.

[@patternrecon5271]

@@elizabethboothe2774 the US culture is fubar

[@elizabethboothe2774]

@@patternrecon5271 it has had foreign powers work to promote divisions. But tell me which culture is perfect?

[@LosT4088]

In a few hundred years we will be worried of small population, shortage of labor, too many pensioners and so on.

[@tristanlau1213]

I think one of reason why China has a declining population is because of the super harsh and competitive culture in the society and many people in China choose to move out of China first before having kids, or not having a kid at all.

[@pratyushdash7573]

competitive i don't know much about china can you explain me this

[@mwanikimwaniki6801]

@@pratyushdash7573 China has many world class everything ... Including schools etc... The problem is, millions of people are competing for these valuable spots. You often find that people who did not get a spot in a Chinese university often move abroad where they will thrive because of the lesser competition for everything.

[@tristanlau1213]

@@pratyushdash7573 In terms of education, the gaokao exams(Chinese version of SAT/ACT) means everything in life for both the students and the parents because universities in China only use standardized test scores as admission criteria. Another thing worth to mention is that universities in China give admission priority to students within the same province/city and the world-class universities are all congregated in major cities such as Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen, that means students from less developed provinces such as Guizhou and Yunnan need to work twice as hard as students from Shanghai/Beijing to get into the world-class universities. And those who fail to get into those universities are ten times likely to end up in jobs that doesn't even require a college degree. Even if you manage to get into the A-list colleges, graduated and get to work in big corps in China such as Huawei and Alibaba, the Chinese corporate culture is even harsher than American corporate culture. People in these corporations work from 9am to 9pm per day, 6 days a week, which is infamously known as the "996 working hours system", and it makes work-life balance completely impossible. The worst thing is that basically every company in China, regardless of the scale, copies this system. That means there's no escape from the notorious 996 working hours system even if you work in small companies. Housing is one of the major pressure for people in China. If you want to have a job that allows your children to live with you in the major cities where they can have a better education, you need a huge sum of money for the first installment for the housing mortgage as the housing prices in these major cities is extremely high and it is rising at a speed which is unreachable. That's why a lot of people in China choose to have kids after moving to Canada/US/Australia/New Zealand/UK, many people don't want their children to suffer like they did.

[@pratyushdash7573]

@@tristanlau1213 omg this is really so harshhhh!!! i am blessed to be born in this country. i knew that east asian companies overworks you but this is ruthless like china,japan is not even in top 20 highest paying countries!!! well now it makes sense why i see so many chinese here. so china's problem is not one child policy that i used to think

[@pokemasterx4244]

@@tristanlau1213 LMAO that's not the reason that Chinese population size is decreasing u absolute buffoon. It may help the decline but it is no where near the leading factor.