Which Leica M is the best deal in photography? Photographer Thorsten Overgaard on Leica M11 to M3

[@carrieannkouri2151]

I have my late father’s M 3. It’s still going strong decades later. I love traveling with it.

[@Funktrainer]

My daily drivers are the original M8 and the M9-P. I just added the SL Typ 601 for adapting Exakta, Nikon and Leitz M lenses as it is the best value Leica camera body right now.

[@jonlieberman997]

As always, excellent discussion. Others who have evaluated the M11 and are overly enthused or gaga or the latest and greatest features seem to be missing the point with the spirit of Leica.

[@noseycomic499]

Thorsten …you are a real dude! Like be the simplicity of delivery. “Don’t know how it works and don’t really care”

[@SebCrateDigger]

Hello Thorsten, I have never tried a Leica in my life but if I had to start with one camera it would be the Leica M240. Not for the video function which I think is useless on a Leica but for the way it is made and the battery life when I am on a wedding session. Thank you very much for your video.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Leica M240 is a good deal to begin with. You can just forget about the video; but it can actually be a handy function if you want to do some music video or other artsy video. But video is always a production because you need sound, light control focus control, and the camera has to be steady. That's why video usually is a team.

[@emanuelbief7088]

I think you would be the only person on youtube who could explain leica camera related issues well.

[@jaapjandevries1935]

Thank you for this exposition. What I miss is Leica's response to all the features of the M240 and the desire of photographers to go back to the basics, namely the MD-262. This is my favorite Leica-M. Completely stripped of all M-240 features: only shutter speed, aperture, exposure compensation and ISO. Not even a screen.

[@BeareTube]

Thank you so much Thorsten, from Australia. I really appreciate you sharing your passion and knowledge of beautiful Leica cameras. You inspire me to be a better photographer.

[@jennifergrainger2480]

Very interesting. One day I will get a Leica. Pretty nervous to invest at that level unless it’s a reliable source and I’ve done my research. At this stage I’ve no idea where to start. Would you consider you doing a video on buying and selling “pre-loved Leica’s” Your Chanel is always a pleasure to view! Many thanks.

[@jameshoward9700]

Great overview. M10/M10R is surely the sweet spot - an absolute classic. Slim, no corrosion or imaging issues, but without the unnecessary spec of the M11 that is at odds with the M's minimalist fundamentals.

[@kevin-parratt-artist]

Thanks for this. 👌 Actually, the concept of "small negative - big picture" was partly inspired by the fact that 35mm cinefilm was of much higher quality than the larger format roll and sheet film for still photography. The first camera Oskar Barnac constructed was made for batch-testing cinefilm. .. and yes, it was "half-frame". So he doubled it to 24x36 to what became known as full-frame.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I didn't know that detail. Thank you 🙂

[@Pembers357]

Great video. Actually, the M8.2 had a tougher LCD screen and rangefinder tweaks, but the sensor was the same and still required the use of UV/IR filters. I’ve just bought a beautiful M9-P and M-P (Typ 240).

[@KTK44]

Why did you buy both? :)

[@MikeMyers00]

Lovely video. One correction, the M8.2 has the same issue as the M8 regarding the "false colors due to infrared light sensitivity", but that is an excellent reason FOR buying the M8.2 as it is great for infrared photography, and with a simple filter placed over the lens, the false colors are eliminated. I enjoyed your historical view of M cameras. I started out with an M2, replacing my Nikon SP, which replaced my Contax II - and this was back in the 1960's. I currently use my M10, and don't have any interest in changing to something else - and yes, I do still have my M8.2, M3, and M2 cameras.

[@Funktrainer]

I find the original M8 more useful as it offers 1/8000 sec shutter speed and 1/250 sec flash sync speed. Still have my silver chrome M8 and silver chrome M9-P btw.

[@TheKidPoetic]

One of my absolute dreams is to get a Leica one day. This video was very helpful, even if that day doesn’t come for many many years.

[@studiokaufman]

Please add the Monochrom versions to your exceptional Leica lineup. I shoot with the Q2M, and it’s ONLY downside is that the 28mm lens is fixed. A convenient “workaround” though is with a 47 mega pixel sensor, you can easily crop down to a 35mm “crop frame” POV. Not the same of course as a 35mm APO Summicron. ...smile...

[@Funktrainer]

The greatest analogue Ms IMHO are the M4 and M5, just love to use both when shooting some rolls.

[@michaelc4917]

I don't know how you kept a straight face in this video. A couple of times I almost spit out my coffee. Collecting Leica cameras are like Pokemons for adults. They are fun to use and they are rare to find. Every body is chasing after them. And to find a real good deal you have to travel to some obscured places on Earth.

[@markhoffman9655]

Personally not interested in the M-series but would love a Q2 for the high quality fast lens, simple controls, weather sealing and high res sensor.

[@tjmanou6422]

That's what i said and bought Q2, a year later i sold it and bought M10-R lol. Leica is very addictive.

[@mrjohnbaseley]

@2:04 for those interested $360 for a Leica in 1966 is $3100 in today's dollars.

[@kevinarmstrong3415]

A good point. More accurate to describe the new and used prices in terms of percentage of average salary although that in itself is a loose metric.

[@zerovisdiver]

@@tjmanou6422 That's also where I am now, just that it only took 4 months 🤣

[@tjmanou6422]

@@zerovisdiver I never looked back. Don’t miss Q2 at all. M10-R 35mm 75mm and 135mm I’m happy 😊

[@bernardlesperance742]

With ever increasing mp counts on new models one has to ask: When does a rangefinder camera cease to be an effective hand-held image making tool? Using a rangefinder as a focusing mechanism becomes increasingly difficult with higher mp counts . . . and reaches a point when it actually becomes counterproductive and produces less, not more, sharp images. This is certainly true when a rangefinder camera is used as it was originally intended to be used; that is, hand-held in fluid situations (e.g. reportage, street photography, etc.) when there isn't enough time to achieve critically sharp focus. And this doesn't even take into account hand shake, which is another factor that comes into play with higher mp counts. Combined, rangefinders and hand shake conspire to render a death blow to the very 'raison d'etre' of high mp counts - sharpness. For these reasons, I consider 24 mp to be the maximum mp count that still allows a 35mm rangefinder camera to be used as originally intended - hand held in fluid situations.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

60MP simply means that when you nail the focus, you get really crisp and clear pictues. When you don't it's going to be high resolution of slightly out of focus. Not really any difference unless you zoom in on small details. Medium format have had high megapixels for a while, same story. 40MP and 60MP might open up for new clarity, but that has to be tested to be seen. Haven't gone there yet.

[@bernardlesperance742]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Wrong. The higher the pixel count the less forgiving the sensor is of anything not precisely focused. In other words, "high resolution of slightly out of focus" IS very different than "when you nail the focus." The difference is clearly visible without "zooming in on small details." And it is NOT "same story" with medium format cameras - medium format cameras have much larger sensors (and pixels), which renders them proportionally less susceptible to the problem ... but only up to a point. The same rules of physics apply - more pixels will make "slightly out of focus" files more obviously out of focus. Oh, and by the way, it has been tested and it has been seen. Some have "gone there".

[@alexanderstavroudis6901]

@@bernardlesperance742 You must be fun at parties.

[@bernardlesperance742]

@@alexanderstavroudis6901 Yeah ! Real party monster ! Let me know your address or phone number and I'll send you a personal invitation to our next party ! I promise it'll be an experience you'll never forget !

[@karayour7950]

@@bernardlesperance742 No, higher MP sensor isn't less forgiving since unless you are printing massive you'll downsample to whatever you need anyway. Additionally modern cmos high mp sensor will offer you better SNR ragardless of the resolution you end up using.

[@ongxa9346]

I'm afraid Leica is stuck between a rock and a hard place by the need to maintain the M3 form factor and the need to keep up with the Joneses. The new stuff, such as the necessary IBIS, and an in-camera EVF simply does not fit into that small body. The compromises, such as the external EVF, and the option to select fewer Mps -which is a bit like buying a Ferrari to drive it in second gear, leave me cold. I've jumped ship and I'm now a very happy SL2-S user. Using it with m-mount lenses is a joy. Cheers, OX

[@franzvotapek3572]

Thank you Thorsten - great and passionate as always! ... you forgot to warn the audience, it's not 'what's the best deal?' but what you will end up with ;-) ... it started very innocently with a digilux 2 (great lens, best colours I have ever experienced) and now I am finally with M8.2, M9, M10, Q, CL, SL, M+R lenses ... :)

[@Grumpytortoise]

I'm sticking with my M2 and M10 for now. I don't like the new "features" of the M11 but that's just me. Excellent video as always!

[@JS-shim]

Thorsten , do you think Leica will ever make a full frame Q style camera with an interchangeable lens? The extra features of the Q like image stabilisation and autofocus, together with the major price saving (when compared with M and its lens), make the Q a very attractive proposition. I think the SL is too big and strays from the Leica tradition of a small discrete camera.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I doubt it. I believe the Q will stay the Q as one small compact package. It has digital zoom/crop. Maybe they would make a version with 35mm or 50mm down the road. But a smaller body for M lenses ... it would be a different story. The next version Leica CL that takes L lenses, that one might be a route in that direction.

[@MB-or8js]

Which Leica M is the best deal in photography? Simple to answer regarding used pricing and quality: the Leica M 240 series is currently the best price/quality range for about $2500. Leica M10 series is still > $4200 as used body - huge gap.

[@pshelnh]

Another great video Thorsten, thank you for the good time

[@RS-Amsterdam]

Good video, but .... Basically it is not a Digital Sensor but an Analog Sensor ! More light equals more output voltage, then it will be translated to Digital in the A/D Convertor. - Your explanation of the CCD problems with the M9 is correct however there is something else to take in consideration. Since 2019 there are no replacement CCD sensors anymore although Leica promised to deliver spare parts till 2022. But since a year or 2 other spare part of the M9 were also already out of sale, so picking up, a not that expensive, defect M9 just for the parts may end up as a nice investment for the future ;-) - And I agree on 24MP is enough and the sweet spot for FF ! - Further more very informative, thanks for sharing !!

[@linjicakonikon7666]

I think 12mp is the sweet spot. It does everything you need.

[@erichartke4331]

My first Leica was the M2, I don't have the disposable budget for a Leica digital, but I get more fullfillment from shooting film anyways. Good video.

[@shy-guy5544]

Very interesting and informative. You did not mention the M 262, which came out before the M 10. I understand that it is good from a price/performance perspective.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The M262 is a remake of the M240 (and which I consider a full on M240 in a M9 body), and there is of course also M262-D (without a screen) and the M246 that is monochrome sensor only.

[@shy-guy5544]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Thanks for the information.

[@addisondiesel]

Excellent discussion. Having watched your Leica DMR video I began the hunt for one. I found one in a pawnshop in Miami, and it has been of the best camera purchases I’ve ever made! A Kodak and Imacon sensor, just incredible! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and hands on experience!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Good on getting the DMR 🙂

[@Samholt38]

Fantastic video! What’s your thoughts on the M-E Type 240?

[@jacoblawson-ut3ui]

Absolutely agree (even still now in 2023) that the m type 240 is the best value. I'm a die hard m9 user, but they're special cameras and sometimes require a little bit of witchcraft to make them behave. An m type 240 will operate reliably like any modern camera, with an absolutely wonderful price tag.

[@007CarpeDiem]

I'm absolutely happy with my single stroke M3 and the M-P Typ240 which you skipped and has a much more silent shutter than the M Type240... Thank you for another great review.

[@SourPlanet]

It's interesting that Leica did release an "upgraded" M (typ 240)... but the upgrade was removing features ha. The flavors of M (typ 262) are basically Leica going "ok, ok: here's less!" One day I do intend to finally try an M body, and I think it will be the 262. Kind of a hidden gem. Really fun video. Just seeing all those beauties hanging out is already something I'd watch!

[@davide88rn]

Can I ask you some help? Today in June 2023 is it a good choice the 10R? For travel street and landscape. Only hobby and no professional. Thanks. I shoot Fuji for the last 6 years thanks 🙂

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I think the M10-R is, it's the camera I use the most these days despite M11 and all.

[@davide88rn]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard thanks a lot 👍🏻

[@bagustikus]

Hi there, such an informative video! One thing i wanna ask you. Have you ever met M240 with straight line vertical / horizontal line on the results? Because i found 2 M240s have the same issue. The first one with vertical straigt line, and the second one with horizontal. But in the second one, the issue is come and go. This is very frustrating me..

[@carlosm9323]

Forgive me for my ignorance but just curious, what the letters Q, M and SL stand for? can you please explain their meaning and difference in applications just based on these letters?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The M originally stands for "Messsucher", which is German "Meßsucher" for "Rangefinder". The SL stands for Single Lens, as SLR is Single Lens Reflex. The Leica Q doesn't have a reference to any other meaning. Leica S is also "just a name". The Leica R system isn't being produced anymore, but was Reflex (as in Single Lens Reflex, SLR). Leica D-lux is Digital, C-lux is Compact. Not a great meaning behind the names, really. For example the Leica M3 was called that because the rangefinder had three framelines inside, so sort of a "gimmick" name to tell this camera had both Rangefinder and 3 framelines. But this is also why Leica M1 and M2 came after the Leica M3, and then after that, they followed the sequence of numbers with M4, M5, M6 and so on.

[@carlosm9323]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Thank you Sir for taking the time to respond to my question. I love your videos, they are exceptional and O am learning a lot from your experience. Your answer really clarifies the reason for those letters that sometimes you think why the M or Q or SL, but now is clear 👌. I do not have a Leica camera but hopefully some day. Best Regards, Carlos.

[@JLStreetDoc]

Silent shutter or quiet shutter on the m-10? I don’t want a loud shutter but I like to hear it.

[@jklphoto]

Hmm, I'm surprised you didn't say M (Typ 262) was the best choice for a starter. It's a pure still camera w/o video features.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

True, same as M240, fewer of them around.

[@gurugamer8632]

Hi, hope you can give me some help please. I have brand new films not expired all 35mm - Portra 400, Portra 160 and Fujicolour Pro 400H, Kodak Tri-X 400 - which ISO gives the most pleasing results for each of these films? Will be using with Leica M6.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Can't remember all the films, but Portra 160 has the best skin tones ... ever!

[@oodisei4994]

What digital M camera does have the most unique image quality? I heard it is M9, but what is your opinion? Of course, it is subjective manner, and each camera has its own specific image character. But, what camera you will mark as exceptional? Thanks!

[@ianafloat9250]

It’s not a hard question at all. The answer is M2.😎

[@MxvanxB]

Thorsten excellent video, really. How is the situation regarding batteries for older M bodies, for exampel the M240. I wonder if one gets one of these older bodys you may want to buy a new battery.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

You can get either original or 3rd party batteries for M8, M9, M240 and so on. I was just checking something the other day on Amazon, and even there they have M240 batteries. The only battery you absolutely can't get anywhere is the one for the DMR digital back (2004-model), which is a totally special battery model.

[@MxvanxB]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Thanks for the quick information.

[@peetje28021970]

Leica Sl2s monochrome will be the one for me.🤗

[@tamilhoward9708]

it would have been a longer video but some Monochrom love would have been nice. Perhaps another video featuring all of them? love the videos!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Monochrom love comes in another episode 🙂

[@sirchicken2940]

Bought a Leica M8 ( 700 euros) after a few years a with a Fuji X-T2 (I traded it), and I never regretted, beautiful colors and simple to use. I am however, super jealous of your R8/R9, kinda befuddled why Leica did not continue with the R series of cameras with their respective lenses, I know there exists the SL but the R8/9 is just a BBC, Beautiful Behemoth Camera

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes the R9 and R8 with DMR digital back are quite beautiful. 10MP CCD sensor, and the color fidelity and clarity is quite noticeable. They stopped when Imacon was bought by Hasselblad, and they saw Leica and Hasselblad as competitors. So Hasselblad didn't want to supply sensors and electronics to Leica (Leica had tried to buy Hasselblad before that, and then did their own Leica S medium format camera). So 3,000 units or less was made. Good deal on the M8!

[@davidselby976]

Brilliant overview Thorsten! Many thanks

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Welcome. My pleasure.

[@cameranerdsmedia]

Great overview of these cameras.

[@horacioraposolopes]

Hi. Congrats for this vídeo. I’ve a Leica Q anda a D-lux typ 109. I love both. I was in doubt wich M to buy. The M 240 is available in leica store Porto, here in Portugal for 2800€ - do you think it’s a good price?

[@kaspermunchlillelund2229]

Hej Thorsten. Tak for den (som altid) fine video, med perspektiver som ofte mangler i meget tech-orienteret KZbin indhold. Jeg har lige byttet mit M10 ud med et M10-R, jeg var i tvivl om jeg istedet skulle have beholdt M10 eller investeret i M11. Jeg er dog blevet helt forelsket, mere af det holder så meget af ved Leica, uden at miste essensen. Måske bliver det som du siger en klassiker 🤔. Det sidste ægte digitale Leica? Måske er det at stramme den 😃. Glæder mig til at se mere.

[@marcusoutdoors4999]

HiThorsten, great advice, I currently shoot with a SL Type 601 and enjoy adapting Voigtlander M lenses, my favourite being my Voigtlander 40mm F1.2. I love the idea of an M camera, but with a limited budget, would my 40mm work OK on the M240? Also how will I get on in bright light with the ISO 200 rather than ISO 50 on my SL and no electronic shutter, is it a case of buy an ND filter?

[@MIZRAIM1906]

I’ve tried every Leica to include the M11… my choice above all is a Leica MP black paint and vulcanite leather… second choice would be a Leica M9

[@ezrashanti]

Heavy for me.

[@Gravitys-NOT-a-force]

Rarely do I make prints of photos that are larger than 8x10. I've been very impressed with the detail in the 8x10 photos that I've had made from the 40mp files produced by my M10-R. If I upgrade to the 60mp M11, would I actually notice the even greater detail available in my 8x10 prints? I haven't been able to compare 8x10's from 40mp files to 8x10's with 60mp files.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Jury still out on that. In terms of details, some but really not important because you would look at a 8x10 print from a distance and not that close. What is relevant to look at is if the backlit sensor (and sensor design in general) opens up more details and improve the color fidelity. And if one like the colors the sensor makes, to begin with. More on that later.

[@paulsehstedt6275]

M11 sølv har en messingtop, mens den sorte har aluminium, hvorfor den også er 110 g lettere. Siger de hos Meister i Berlin. Men vi er enige i, at 240 er den bedste model, at starte ud med. Som altid er dine videoer informative. Har du lavet eller overvejet at lave noget omkring 21 mm objektiverne? Eller Trimar?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Måske 21/1.4 som jeg har brugt en del.

[@uh2535]

Hi, thank you for a great video again! Do I get correctly that even M11 is still a manual focus camera? If so - what is the trick you make so precise focus on the persons eye with such a shallow depth of field when I with my Nikon D700 (semi-pro) and continuous autofocus on exact focusing point can't nail it more than 1/3 of all my shots? Thank you! P.S. I also created a leather pad on my desk similar to yours inspired by you :) great feeling to do writing, programming, tinkering with some electronics or fine mechanics on it.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Good on the desk pad! I should do a video on focusing. Yes, it is still manual focusing and won't change anytime soon (likely never). The Leica Q2, Leica SL2 and so on are auto focus.

[@zoltankaparthy9095]

Once again, a great presentation. Tak.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you Zoltan 🙂

[@jarosawzon4272]

Everyone raves about Leica, so I gave in and bought a Leica M240, but I will never do that again. My first experience with this camera was really bad. An excellent and fantastic lens, the Voigtlander Nokton 35 mm f1.2 Asp II, attached to Leica works very poorly. The corners of the photo are soft, blurred and there is a vignette. The same lens on the Sony A7 works great and perfectly. The photos are perfectly sharp from corner to corner. There is little vignette only. It was my first and last Leica.

[@1111undici1111]

Excellent video and very insightful thoughts on Leica cameras! Thank you Thorsten!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you for the feedback 🙂

[@NorbertVittel]

The best digital Leica camera is the M10P by far !

[@fedorvl12]

разницу цены между leika и fujjifilm x-e3 можно потратить на финансирование фотографических проектов например.

[@peetje28021970]

Love your m10 safari.

[@OZTORRESMOVIES]

Excellent video, as always!

[@destress7730]

The best deal in Leica is the one that makes you happiest. Not the one that saves you money. I think thats what you are saying as well.

[@samslaydon]

Can anyone tell what size lenses are on the M9 and M240 in this video? Thank you.

[@ChrisW.Fuji_Canon]

Made in Germany 😍 wonderful video 🙏

[@oneafi8940]

Hi Thorsten Im torn between the M6/M240/M8. I have a Leica Q at the moment and i love my Autofocus but I’m craving the M body. My heart is leaning towards the M6 but the mind says the instant feedback of a back digital screen is what I’m used to. Which is the better deal overall?

[@paulsehstedt450]

The M240 or M-P240 are great performer. I've both and an Q as a backup.

[@TheDarlowiak]

There is not deal , try them , and then decide on what You like.

[@ansgarbook712]

Thorsten afaik ....Your statement about the M8.2 is not correct, the updated sensor has the same IR issue still...it had a more silent shutter different screen and a longer shutter speed thats ist, at least my updated M8u needs IR filter to be not purple

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes, that is right. They issued IR filters for lenses also on the M8.2

[@Otokichi786]

My Leica IIIa is/was a family camera equipped with a 50mm f/1.5->9 Taylor-Hobson Xenon. This was an uncoated, pre-World War II "speed lens" that was afflicted with dirt and hazy lens elements. It was a bit better than a Holga lens, so I replaced it with a 1950's, coated, collapsible 50mm f/3.5 Elmar. The Elmar produced much better images, and I didn't miss the "lack of lens speed" at all. I did yearn for an M-series Leica, but settled for a Canon P with a 50mm f/1.8 Canon lens, which never let me down. Not having to "invest in a blue chip investment," I put my money into Leica screw mount lenses such as a 28mm f/2.8 Canon, and 105mm f/2.5 Nikkor.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

The Bessa R is the best deal Leica has to offer.

[@al404]

Why your M240 does have "Leica" text logo on top? mine doesn't

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I had it engraved by Leica. You could, and can still as far as I know, get any engraving/inscription made. Your signature, a poem, a drawing, a text. I have the Leica written like the special edition MP from LHSA 2002 done on several of my Leica M cameras.

[@erichstocker8358]

I think that Leica buys its sensors from Sony. So, it is natural that for the M11 they would use the sensor from the Sony A1 or A4R. Of course, then they have their own processing chips and software but I suspect the M will stay at 60Mpixels until Sony (or someone else from whom Leica would purchase) establishes a higher resolution sensor that meets Leica's requirements. The Sony one seems to fill the bill for the moment.

[@ahmeddaghriri4180]

Hi. Does Leica m11 has Articulated Screen ?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

It has a fixed screen. The EVF can swing up 90 degrees

[@ahmeddaghriri4180]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard thank you 🙏

[@grantmedical]

If I had a choice I would buy the M10-R as it was the last of the generation... However my budget allows me to only to dream... 😊... (If Leica comes out with a CL Mark II I would be very tempted!)...

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes, Leica 10-R might vey well become a classic. You could say, anything that "has a lot of Leica M3 and Leica M9 in it, is going to be loved for a long time". I think, in acquiring a camera, one has to stop thinking camera and start think household economy. (No, I'm not trying to make you wrong, I'm just thinking aloud). We buy cars and accessories to the cars and install swimming pols and other things, which in comparison are much more money and often last less years and make us less happy. I always found it odd that some would go through so much trouble convincing themselves they deserved a Leica, yet at the same time spend a Leica a year on new wheels for the car. So the consideration has to change, passion is important 🙂

[@gumdocga]

Wow. That was a lot of fun.

[@SebastianOakley]

Amazing content, as alwasy !

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you 🙂

[@jacovanlith5082]

Plwase show us how you hammer with your Leica M3 a nail into a piece of wood.

[@LaurentBourrelly]

Hi Thorsten, The real story behind the Typ 240,etc labeling is not copying Apple. Actually, Leica did copy another brand : Porsche. Even if it confused people, it sounded very cool… like the model of a Porsche sounds. Fun fact : Porsche still uses the original labeling of cars, but the name pushed by marketing team is different. You know how those creative marketing people can have very weird ideas (we have a similar Pro background)

[@chimpmunkboy8850]

Excellent! Thanks.

[@grantmedical]

I want the M10-R with black paint ❤…. One day! 😊

[@riswanc]

Im very concerned with the visoflex 2, seems so fragile

[@ColinOYoung]

Excellent overview. Thanks.

[@ronaldsand3000]

Terrific comprehensive overview of Leica M mount cameras!

[@ronaldpiecek3535]

would love to see a M10-D review

[@gjermundhansen7799]

Agree - M10-D is as close you will get to digital - but yet analog photography. It promotes the essence of photography - Which Andreas Kaufmann in Leica also understood when he insisted on introducing a digital without the screen. It promotes your thinking about the photo to come - not the photo you just took. (by looking at the screen). I am lucky to have one and It is just a lovely piece - functional passion in photography. (Thorsten: I will stop by and you can borrow mine for the episode:-))

[@ronaldpiecek3535]

@@gjermundhansen7799 I started with the M6, than got a M8 than a M240. The M240 is a technically good camera, but it didn't really feel right, a bit too bulky, video,... So I was actually looking for the M6 feeling and experience, but with the digital post progress. I got a good deal on a used M10-D and a Summilux 50 black chrome limited. This combination fits so perfectly (only the lense is a bit too heavy).

[@gjermundhansen7799]

@@ronaldpiecek3535 I have the silver Chrome 50 Lux - also a bit heavy, but I am used to it by now - also I just love the look of it - the black chrome also looks very nice - you could trade it to a black regular of course, but I would keep it - something about that brass.. Sling it on the hip like Thorsten does and it does not feel to heavy. Heavy is good...

[@TheDarlowiak]

Bought my first Leica M6 , last addition in mahagony box , realized , did not like range finder , due to finger marks obscuring the view finder. Sold it and bought R 4.S, in 2009 and fell in love with it. Just now , bought brand new anthracite R 9 , so happy , it’s beautiful.

[@WilsonGomez]

Nobody haven't tested the M11 on electric shutter yet, most camera have serious banding issue and rolling shutter . Maybe Leica did there homework and fix the issues with electric shutters

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The electronic shutter has been used in Leica SL and Leica SL2 for 6-7 years now.

[@WilsonGomez]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Don't matter banding has been a issues on ALL cameras, banding is when you get strips on an image from the LEDs and fluorescent lights. Only the Nikon Z9 got it right maybe the M11 fix the issues since it just came out.

[@josephguo6256]

M3

[@JJ_Photo]

The biggest concern in buying a Leica, is the service. How can you pay that amount for a camera, with such a long service time? When it needs a repair, or adjustment, you will have to wait months before it is back. Is the problem not resolved, you can send it in again and wait 2+ months more. This is simply not acceptable for this price tag. And this is why many pros can't use it, even if they would. A Leica should be quality - and a service that is better than Fuji, Canon etc. Love the M and Q series. But you need to buy at least two bodies, if you want to photograph all year.... Not acceptable!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

True. However, if you contact the Customer Service directly in Wetzlar by mail and then send things directly, it goes faster. And you can also schedule a visit and have it usually done same morning.

[@woodenshoe788]

I always wanted a Leica but just can't justify the cost. I guess I'll have to live vicariously through others who own them.

[@MicappellaGohMingwei]

Love ur videos!!!!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you. Pleasure to hear 🙂

[@tjmanou6422]

Thorsten stop dropping your gear LOL

[@mranthony1886]

It works for apple since hardly any Apple Enthusist is going to go back to old macbooks. Now with M1 they are going back to model numbers.... Also having a diverse range all with the same model name while products are still in use is highly confusing. Leica unlike macbooks products are likely to last 60+ years.

[@indigoinkognito9878]

even a small Leica is a big thing !

[@slimnics]

m10 R p would be nice

[@paulchamberlain3359]

The one you can afford

[@seokinchung]

5:15 oops

[@swcblad]

nice pen.

[@jacovanlith5082]

I do not like the 24 x 36 mm ( 2 : 3 ) negative size; it is too much streched. For a short period Ilford made just one printing paper size of 24 x 36 cm. I was no success. I wish Leica makes a camera for a single perforated film of 28 x 34 mm.

[@helthuismartin]

Sorry i stick with Nikon.I had a Billingham full packed with Leicas and yess they are beautiful and i can watch at them the all day bud you can only use for street photography,art and some vacationphotography bud for all other types of photograpy,,portraits,,action,weddings etc there are much much better options.

[@davejenx]

Thorsten can you give me your safari as I'll never be able to afford one , I'll be your bezzy

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

You visualize yourself with a Leica, and it will happen sooner than you think. That's how it works. "The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do" - Steve Jobs

[@thehighvibe5528]

m9 and not even close w digital

[@davidkachel]

Really??!!! Like, which Rolls Royce is the "best deal"?!