Which one is quieter? pt. 2 | Schuberth C5 vs. Shoei Neotec 2 ROAD TEST | FortaMoto.com

[@ZX9RDan]

Good video, as usual. I have to say that the backroom deals that Sena makes with top helmet makers is not making me happy. It socks to be "forced" to use a given comm system. I'm a Cardo guy, and I'm not looking forward to installing my freecom on my new Neotec 2. If Sena wants to gain market share, all they have to do, is make better products instead of making deals with helmet makers.

[@wraymogg]

What are you talking about?? It's all about the openness to mould different casings for integrated systems. Cardo didn't wanted to go that route. However they realized they are losing a lot of market share not going for integrated systems so they decided to do exactly as Sena did. So they made a "backroom deal" with AGV, and their Tourmodular features an integrated Cardo. Also they DO make better products in time, their Harman Kardon speakers and mike is at parity now with the JBL speakers found in Cardo. I do own a Cardo Black and until now it had hands down the better sound quality, but now they are pretty tied on tech and sound quality.

[@Aquadug]

Bought the C5 with Sena, delivered it back as sound was far inferior.

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Oh dear, the sena v’s cardo argument again. Cardo have just the same opportunity to market theirs but honestly? Most people don’t care because both work fine and there are equal numbers of people preferring sena to cardo. The real shame here is that they are not inter compatible so people pick what their friends use. In my case that was a sena based system which works just fine. Both company’s systems are grossly overpriced.

[@ZoneGlazed]

​@@ReferenceFidelityComponentswho prefers sena to Cardo? People who never used cardo? Cardo speakers are objectively louder clearer deeper clear

[@kidluk]

I took out the SRL and slapped on a Cardo Bold ✔️✔️

[@wakedaze1]

Double D rings are MUCH more comfortable. I wish Shoei would return to this build as they did in the first version.

[@MultiSotilas]

I'm still looking for a way to strap the lid on without getting my beard caught in D-rings. Besides that, I fully agree.

[@fallenwout]

I use a light smoke (50% tint) visor on my c3 pro all year around. It just takes the edge of, like a car windshield. But schuberth doesn't make them for the C5, real shame. Every helmet should come with light tint, car manufacturers figured this out decades ago.

[@kennethwise7108]

I'm one of those oddball guys that prefers a dark external visor and clear inside visor. Reason why is I do most of my riding in the day and if and when it gets dark outside I ride with my external visor up and my clear inside visor down. Sadly, Shuberth doesn't make a clear inside visor for the C5 (yet) so I'll have to carry a pair of clear safety glasses with me just in case.

[@Phoenixfeuer909]

There is a new SRL-MESH available for Shoei GT-Air II/J-Cruise II and Neotec II. This is a SENA 50S with Harman Kardon speakers. So fully up to date.

[@carsyoungtimerfreak1149]

Good video, yet it did not really help me in taking a decision between these 2 helmets 🙂...

[@_skud]

i've seen a couple of your helmet videos and they were both helpful even though I am a US resident. thanks for the earplug tip, too

[@Dirk1961-l7y]

HJC Rpha Carbon……! Have this helmet one day! I had Schuberth C3Pro, Shoei Neotec, AGV Modular, but this is the best. No windnoise, light but not so licht as AGV but much easier to open chin piece and riding up is perfect! Like a Boss for €524,00

[@olivergyorffy7288]

i'm really fond of my HJC RPHA flip-up too! Wearing it for nearly 8 years now both for long trips and commute so fairly worn but anxcious to change. :D

[@andysatch9150]

Own a Neotech as I've got a Shoei shaped head. Passed up the Sena option as I've got a working brain!!!

[@Zeroplanetz]

The neotec 2 fit my dome better. The Schuberth was slightly pressing the forehead.

[@abdelnasiralnaqbi2801]

Try any modular helmet with Sony wf-1000 mx4 using air noise cancelation feature and you will get a very quite ride

[@henrywang1538]

really? how about airpod pro?

[@thepab3072]

The C5 looks bigger than the Neotech 2. Can you use a Cardo Packtalk bold commutator with these helmets?

[@wraymogg]

I guess the noise you get is different from person to person based on riding position and height, head shape, type of motorcycle etc. I do own both a Neotec 2 and a C4 Pro Carbon, and the noise difference is HUGE in favor of C4. Just today I rode with the Neotec 2 to check if the sound insulation I applied had any effect (I put some soundproofing membrane from Focal under speakers and around them). Nothing changed! I cannot believe how much noise I get in the Neotec 2 in the ears and temple part of the helmet... Perhaps is my riding position, I don't know... but on C4 I get so much less noise and I even didn't insulated it with Focal membrane... Another HUGE discontent I have with the Neotec 2 is that when I open the front vent, it concentrates all the air directly on my forehead. Is like the Chinese droplet :)

[@hiddendragon415]

I found the C4 noisy likely because it's more round and I got noise coming in up the sides. I agree with the front vent on the Neotec 2 blasting too much air directly onto your face. If they fixed that and made the helmet lighter with maybe carbon in the next version it would be nice. I was considering a HJC RPHA 90 but quality control is a issue.

[@wraymogg]

@@hiddendragon415 C4 is less noisy than Neotec 2. The collar is not segmented and lets in less air. In the last month I used mostly the Neotec 2 and it always puzzles me how much noise I get. However, worn like a true touring helmet, with good balaclava and ear plugs, it is OK. Also I fixed both worse problems with sponges. I opened the top vent and put some sponge there - no more bugs entering the helmet. Also I put a little sponge in the chin vent as well, it still concentrates a lot of cold air on my forehead, but is way better than before. Also I found that if I don't close perfectly the visor, the air dinamyc changes and at lower speeds I do that.

[@wraymogg]

@@hiddendragon415 If your head shape is more oval, then perhaps you get more noise in C4, and Neotec 2 or C5 is a better helmet for you. I also put the SRL Mesh on the Neotec 2, removing the external Cardo. It improved it immensely.

[@sviraci]

I tested schuberth c3,c4 and c5 and neotec 2 also hjc 90s on different Bikes. Result was always the same no matter which Bike and windshield (or none). Neotec 2 the loudest and hjc 90s the quietest. C5 and c3 pro both very good c4 not so but c4 pro also good

[@TasmanGuitarsAmps]

C3pro in larger XL shell (essential) is much quieter then Neotec2 XL. I have both. Also neotec2 leaks cold breeze all over the place. C3pro locks you in your own space. Noise is higher on C3pro in L ,with smaller shell. Had it for a few months before I realised that is small for me. I want C4pro but can't find it to try. How does it feel and what size do you wear?

[@t-rex4211]

Would’ve loved to see the coms comparison

[@stephenfricke9298]

Thank you. Got into riding in back in the 90's. The guys then had an expression," $100 brain $100 helmet". I will get one of these.

[@larifari4371]

The double D is offered by Schuberth too. It is very much needed especially for some folks with a pronounced adams Apple.

[@podunkman2709]

I have C4 (C5 must be very similar). I could say all but not that this helmet is quiet. Ventilation is quite primitive as well - you just feel cold wind in the forehead if you open vent curtain.

[@michaelleys2982]

Did you had you’re big windscreen on the bike when testing…..of yes this test is just good for you I think ….your bike your body hight ect ….

[@coreynaimark8369]

Great review. These are the 2 helmets I am currently looking at. I prefer the shoei but concerned that a neotec 3 is around the corner and will come with a better comms system and upgraded ece rating. Any idea if the noetec 3 is in the works

[@mastadriver]

I've got both. GS rider. Done 20k+ miles in neotec 2 and replaced it with C5 (2k in that so far). They are both very good helmets, get one that fits you better. If you're concerned about comms system then C5's version of sena is much better, much more modern unit that the one that you can fit to Shoei. Schuberth also has much better aerodynamics and stability at speeds. The only issues with Neotec 2 I've got were with visor not seating/sealing properly which resulted in a much higher noise levels than you'd expect from the "quietest" modular helmet at the time, but I wear earplugs most of the time. Ironically I've visor issues with C5 as well in that it doesn't close fully on both side latches unless you use both hands which obviously is very impractical while riding. Currently waiting for dealer to take a look and service the helmet. Either way I think you won't be disappointed with neither of these two, I'd still keep wearing my neotec 2.

[@mirkototoni4830]

Agree SRL2 is not the best Intercom system but now is available the SRL-Mesh with Harman Kardon speakers... much better

[@briansingstock164]

@@mastadriver I have the same issue with my C5. Left side most always stays a bit open when I close the visor. I pinch the left tab and the bottom of the chin guard and it closes fine with one hand. I was wondering if this was a design feature for venting on cold days to reduce fogging at slower speeds? Ride behind a R1200RTW screen so air turbulence isn't much of an issue, but with screen lowered, it is very stable in direct wind and reasonably quiet.

[@mastadriver]

@@briansingstock164 I’ve had mine serviced by schuberth dealer and they seem to have fixed it on second attempt, saying they followed instructions from factory. Whatever that means.

[@sbhjackson5931]

Thanks for this video and information.Did I understand you correctly that you sent it back to Shoei and they installed the d rings? This is very important to me because the Neotec 2 chin strap chokes me when I wear it because the chin strap is too short, and I didn't buy it because of that. If they will either make the ratchet starp an inch longer or install d rings with the normal strap that I have on my neotec 1 I will buy the neotec 2 immediately.

[@FortaMoto]

You're welcome! That is indeed correct, I believe the cost for this procedure is around €89.

[@andhikawayan]

Imo the c5 shape is more good looking than neotec 2 aladin jinn jaw shape 😁

[@steve3023]

I knew what you were going to say from the start as you kept touching the shoei as it is your favourite not very unbias

[@FortaMoto]

It would have been difficult to lean on the C5 from where I was standing... How cool that you predicted the outcome, though! Even I didn't know that at the beginning of shooting!

[@booshallmighty]

The Schuberth looks like a space helmet, like the ones the aliens wear in the Simpsons 😂

[@brendanmchugh6440]

Just found your channel, I am impressed so 👍 and new subscriber 🍀

[@billmellater]

Testing for wind noise behind a windscreen?

[@blandrooker6541]

Yes. A windscreen doesn't create a vacuum, your helmet is still subject to air flowing past it.

[@lenbell1365]

Nice review but the new Shoei neotec three is out 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@FortaMoto]

It is now, but it wasn't then.

[@lenbell1365]

I have the Shoei Neotec 2 and 3 the 3 is slightly quieter and the top vent is a bit more refined the bottom vent is a step back in my opinion, all in all not a big step forward for Shoei thanks for your review 👍🏽

[@749corsa]

When I tried them both on at the dealership, the C5 seemed noticeably heavier than the Shoei. Do you have the weight specs?

[@Nors1e]

Just look it up

[@t-rex4211]

20 grams difference depending on size. 1.7 kg

[@ZOOTSCOOTDOTDK]

Funny that NO ONE seems to know that pinlock is not allowed in the dark on the Shoei ... Clearly marked on the visor and in the manual

[@FortaMoto]

Interesting observation. Who's implying that nobody knows this? It is indeed clearly marked. The same also counts for dark and coloured visors. However, Pinlocks do much more good than bad - and I can't imagine anybody removing the Pinlock before riding in the dark. It would drastically reduce the lifespan and effectiveness of the lens.

[@ZOOTSCOOTDOTDK]

@@FortaMoto "nobody" as in me observing and working with helmtes for more than 15 years - look into how you classifie visors regarding distorsion. Grade 1 - 99% distorsion free (what you see is what you see) When you add a second layer the graiding falls, but still legal. If you start out with a grade 2 visor and add a layer, your grading falls again below what is legal for ECE22.05. If you as mee, uses glasses, you can clearly see the diffence when riding in the dusk/dawn. Ever thought about some helmets come with Pinlock in the box and not mounted as new ? And yes I have several helmets inluding a NeoTech2. A little sidenote- in the very nice video you say that Shoei can pass ECE22.06 - I agree somewhere along the road. Youir chinpart needs to be locked with a mechanical lock to pass, but I am sure its an "easy" fix - keep posting viseos to enjoy

[@lowriderrjw]

Well done comparison! I've been hearing that the Tracer 9 has a noisy screen, so probably a good bike to use for this helmet test. Feel free to comment on that. Thx!

[@FortaMoto]

Thanks for the compliment! I didn't find it to be particularly noisy, to be honest. Nice bike to ride, though - very smooth.

[@myousic4564]

It is noisy because it's too flexible :) It wobbles on the sides when riding over 100km/h and makes you head shake on the sides. I've replaced this screen with puig one and now I have to look at the speedo all the time because 150 km/h feels slower than 100km/h with oem screen :)

[@bikenbush]

Great stuff!!! 👍🏽

[@rudyberkvens-be]

Quiet helmets: we will need noise cancellation systems. Do they exist? Bose?

[@podunkman2709]

3M plugs u buy 100pcs for single penny. Enough for 8997643680975324578 times of use.

[@dryad6709]

You are great to look at & listen to in all videos. Where can I find your mentioned music project from 8:00 ?

[@FortaMoto]

Thanks for your compliment! You can find the specific video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4arpalqiLqAgqM and the full channel here: kzbin.info - enjoy!

[@jaspersilus]

Helmet to helmet battle!😂 You've been in the Netherlands too long!😎

[@FortaMoto]

You might be right about that, actually... ;)

[@jeweetzelftoch]

The downside of these types of reviews is that you just present your personal opinion. That depends who you ask. Thanks for making the video though

[@armadilllo]

All helmets are loud unless you're deaf, don't be fooled into paying these outrageous prices. What pisses me off is you can't return helmets if you don't like them.

[@ZoneGlazed]

Revzilla free returns?

[@armadilllo]

unused condition, how do you test them without using them?@@ZoneGlazed

[@leeasnin2442]

Is the C5 in stock now in your shop?

[@FortaMoto]

Yes, we have a number of different colours and sizes available :).

[@jrnumex9286]

the question everyone wants to know is which one is quieter? huh, how 'bout sliding along on the concrete which one is better?

[@FortaMoto]

We honestly hope that none of us ever have to find that out.

[@stepheneurosailor1623]

😂😂😂

[@stephenrichie4646]

Neither of these helmets is quiet. They’re modulars after all. The Shuberth fits me better, so that’s the one I kept. I actually liked the latches and levers better on the Shoei. As a Cardo owner, I’m a little put off by having to buy a new Sena unit to go with the C5, but I will; all the built in comms infrastructure is really slick.

[@kymyst18t]

Not sure where you're getting you're info...both of these helmets are literally some of the quietest tested for 2023.

[@stephenrichie4646]

@@kymyst18t Personal experience.

[@Adrian-uq9mq]

Double D's are a deal-breaker for me. The helmet market has spoken.

[@cavman7]

Mesh communications system, and then put ear plugs in!!!!! Not sure how they are supposed to work together. I have the Neotec II and ride without ear plugs.

[@andriuskaseta6311]

Ear plugs?...and then driving out on a public road?...

[@FortaMoto]

Yes, indeed! Public or private roads, your ears will thank you.

[@TopDownDC]

Yes. You'll still hear engine and wind and horns and sirens, just at more comfortable levels.

[@andriuskaseta6311]

@@TopDownDC Thanks!Haven't tried myself so was curious and that was exactly what I wanted to know.👍.

[@GhettoSuguru]

Are they really making a neotec 3 now ?

[@FortaMoto]

There's no doubt there will be a follow-up to the very successful Neotec II. Soon all new helmets will need to be ECE 22.06 rated, so every brand will be coming out with new models.

[@lifeisarideuk]

that coms unit it a joke and 1 year in the visor will not shut , on the C5

[@Nasserghandour]

Just removed the Shuberth C5 from box , first ride , totally disappointed , the visor is loose and can't stand open even at 40 km/hr speed 😡😡😡😡😡

[@leftymadrid]

Well, nowadays there are other helmets that are excellent, and priced reasonably well...

[@gregorytragitt2208]

You can't sell me a Shoei Neotec II

[@Jimmy_Cavallo]

Why not.??

[@worldsnomad]

How can you compare the two, Schubert is overpriced and quality of components is below average...unfortunately I had to buy two of them before realising and UK importer costumer service is equally good!