Which RAPTOR is Actually in Jurassic Park? (Hint: IT'S NOT VELOCIRAPTOR)

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Clint's Reptiles

Clint's Reptiles

2 жыл бұрын

Did you know that there are no velociraptors in Jurassic Park? Not in Jurassic Park, Jurassic World, or any of the other movies in the franchise. The dinosaur that is in these movies, as it turns out, is even cooler still. While it is not a velociraptor, it is a member of the clade Maniraptora. It is a raptor. Let's explore this amazing clade and discover what this dinosaur really is.
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@GetgreeD
@GetgreeD 2 жыл бұрын
For all those Herping-Channels who claim they are "educational", this is what i call Education. Watching Clint is like taking One of your most loved Books out of the Shelf and then read something new inside, something you never heard of or never thougt of digging into...
@nishthaarora9533
@nishthaarora9533 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a good explanation!
@jessicaswinbourn.320
@jessicaswinbourn.320 2 жыл бұрын
And it was easy to follow and understand, even interesting. Fun and Educational are the best combination.
@nishthaarora9533
@nishthaarora9533 2 жыл бұрын
@Jordan River Studios Let’s trust the biologist to understand how MUCH of a difference is even possible with this fictional science. :p
@bastiandantilus
@bastiandantilus 2 жыл бұрын
@Jordan River Studios Except, you know, the fossils that were repeatedly pointed out in the video. I take it you didn't watch the video?
@tryserama9823
@tryserama9823 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@yumyumcowpie
@yumyumcowpie 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Clint. Usually, when you're talking about animals, you manage to source one to handle so that we can see how it behaves. While I understand that Deinonychus can be a little difficult, I'm very disappointed to see that you weren't even able to get a live Velociraptor onto the set.
@BallsofArt
@BallsofArt 2 жыл бұрын
Love this comment
@RealJRoyall
@RealJRoyall 2 жыл бұрын
This week I learned that even Clint has an off week with getting live examples.
@C0ffeeeeee-.-
@C0ffeeeeee-.- 2 жыл бұрын
And that lady’s n gentleman is why the internet is hilarious (Until it’s not)
@justinkendollrozinek
@justinkendollrozinek 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@austinrestovic
@austinrestovic 2 жыл бұрын
Aren't we all? :(
@joshualandry3160
@joshualandry3160 2 жыл бұрын
I love how the book actually admits that the identification is wrong. Wu claims the velociraptor identification was based on the location and age of the mosquito find and the appearance of the juvenile animals. Grant knows that the identification must be incorrect but he doesn't push the issue. It is used as another bit to build the mood of Jurassic Park cutting corners and not really knowing what they are doing.
@iivin4233
@iivin4233 2 жыл бұрын
Were Ingen's geneticists engineering their dinosaurs to look more reptilian in the book or am I misremembeing?
@joshualandry3160
@joshualandry3160 2 жыл бұрын
@@iivin4233 Hollywood retconned that in to excuse them using outdated models. In the book all the animals where intended to be pure dinosaurs. In the books the genetic engineering was just attempted repairs to the genome. Wu wanted to modify them, but Hammond insisted they needed real dinosaurs.
@drjekyllmshyde
@drjekyllmshyde 2 жыл бұрын
@@iivin4233 no, Hammond specifically wanted them to look like “real” dinosaurs, and got on Wu’s case for wanting to make them more approachable
@Yoshuggutha
@Yoshuggutha 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the more I look back on the original film I noticed SO many things that annoy me. This being one of them.
@adamjj7751
@adamjj7751 2 жыл бұрын
@@xanderomeister7828 the author said that Deinonychus didn't sound as cool as Velociraptor, and that's why he chose to misname them as Velociraptors. They are not modified Velociraptors. Modified Velociraptors would not have completely mismatched skull shapes and skeletal structures.
@mr.dr.kaiser4912
@mr.dr.kaiser4912 2 жыл бұрын
It's crazy to me how Crichton's one arbitrary naming decision had such a huge impact on pop culture. Had he used the correct name, then Deinonychus would be the one perceived as the hyper-intelligent killer dinosaur, and Velociraptor would probably just be viewed as a weird, small cousin.
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
I think the velociraptor can probably be quite intelligent as well. 🤔
@RiggerMantis
@RiggerMantis Жыл бұрын
Except Deinonychus would've only been about two-thirds the size of the animals that Crichton described and we saw in Spielberg's film. Utagraptor is much closer to the size of the raptors in the novel and film.
@markoproduction
@markoproduction Жыл бұрын
@@RiggerMantis Deinonychus could get up to 5 feet tall. Blue is about the size of a big Deinonychus.
@holidaytheraptor6567
@holidaytheraptor6567 Жыл бұрын
@@RiggerMantis true, but Utahraptor funnily enough wasnt discovered until quite a bit after the film came out, and by virtue, the book. Not to mention, utahraptor is differently built, and the JP raptors most mirror a scaled-up deinonychus
@FolgoreCZ
@FolgoreCZ Жыл бұрын
@@RiggerMantis Actually, in the novel, they are way smaller than in the movie. I would say that the novel ones are the size of a real Deinonychus and it is known that these were too small for Spielberg's taste, so he made up a raptor twice that size and lucked out when they found Utahraptor later and it being the perfect size.
@MeAbroad2004
@MeAbroad2004 Жыл бұрын
I had no idea Utahraptor was so big. Great work and an engaging, quirky style - love it
@BowbOw344
@BowbOw344 Жыл бұрын
Yep...huge bastards....when I learned that I also learned I never want to bring utaraptors back
@AV_Silkraptor
@AV_Silkraptor Жыл бұрын
I really thought it was a deinonychus…
@lobomella128
@lobomella128 Жыл бұрын
Same! I always assumed they were the size of the movie velociraptors!
@Croftice1
@Croftice1 Жыл бұрын
@@lobomella128 The alpha female, that killed most of the original park's raptors, except for two, was a Utahraptor. A paleontologist, Robert T. Bakker, who was working with Spielberg's filming crew basically confirmed it. The team harassed him with questions about their dinos and they also asked, if such a large raptor could be scientifically possible. Few days later after the movie came out, Bakker's team uncovered the Utahraptor, which was the perfect size of the Big One, the alpha female.
@ArinJager1
@ArinJager1 Жыл бұрын
there's a game called Saurian, it has a playable not utahraptor (aka dakotaraptor)... that one's pretty big, too (the adult is, anyway)
@terryberry5771
@terryberry5771 2 жыл бұрын
And next time: "Is the velociraptor the best pet dinosaur?"
@sampagano205
@sampagano205 2 жыл бұрын
The perfect pet if you want a dog sized, intelligent hyper carnivore who might scissor kick you into the hospital!
@jaredthehawk3870
@jaredthehawk3870 2 жыл бұрын
It literally is a six foot turkey and probably has the temper to match.
@ilyassebenana3824
@ilyassebenana3824 2 жыл бұрын
@@sampagano205 hospital? Homie he's kicking you straight to the grave
@BulbasaurLeaves
@BulbasaurLeaves 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, the best pet dinosaur is the budgie
@Dr._Heinz_Doofenshmirtz
@Dr._Heinz_Doofenshmirtz 2 жыл бұрын
definitely not would rather protoceratops its relatively small, cute, and a herbivore (though ceratopsians may have been filling the same niche as pigs and able to eat anything)
@TVJUNK85
@TVJUNK85 2 жыл бұрын
Slight correction: The sickle claw actually likely wasn't used to slash, but to grip and pin prey down. The teeth, being serated and flat like steak knives, likely did the cutting. The wings, being adorned with primary feathers, likely used to flap and maintain balance while on top of the prey. This entire system is called Raptor Prey Restraint, and it's what modern day raptors like Hawks and Eagles do today. The part about you still being alive as they start to eat you, still true.
@lordofleviathans8432
@lordofleviathans8432 Жыл бұрын
Probably even more terrifying. Pinned down by giant claws that are probably hooked into your flesh, while your body is being mangled and eaten rather than cut open and guts spilling
@ericstevens8744
@ericstevens8744 Жыл бұрын
Sorry but I don’t agree about their sickle claws not being used for slashing
@ericstevens8744
@ericstevens8744 Жыл бұрын
How then if they weren’t used for slashing would they have inflicted enough blood loss on an animal like say a brontosaurus? Or a similar large herbivore ?
@TVJUNK85
@TVJUNK85 Жыл бұрын
@@ericstevens8744 They didn't. Pack hunting as depicted in most media (jumping on the bigger animal and slashing a ton) is largely fictitious. If they did pack hunt, they a) likely wouldn't have gone for the big healthy adults that were like 10x their size (and they certainly probably wouldn't have gone for sauropods at all; far too large), and b) use their collective body weight to bring down the prey and just go for the throat with their teeth. Like how wolves or lions hunt today: they target the sick, the elderly, and the young. But even then, it's also unlikely they pack hunted with such coordination at all. Not impossible, but just unlikely. That kind of coordination is rare in even modern birds, let alone extinct non-avian relatives. It's more likely, if they were hunting in packs, they were hunting like a gang of Komodo Dragons. Loose coordination, multiple individuals targeting the same prey item, feeding frenzy, then they go their separate ways.
@CHANN3L_NAME
@CHANN3L_NAME Жыл бұрын
That’s a recent paleontological theory. But plenty of people (myself included) still believe that the sickle claw was a weapon. It’s like if someone had a knife and it was theorized that he instead of using it to kill his prey; used it to disembowel them after the kill. It’s not like he couldn’t have also used it for killing it too.
@Z7Sakari
@Z7Sakari 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for not cutting those clips too early. Seeing the kids face again when Alan asks him to “show a little respect” made my day 😂
@johnnyfreespeech5815
@johnnyfreespeech5815 Жыл бұрын
When you actually look at all of the different groupings of dinosaurs separated from each other by millions of years and realise that somehow palaeontologists are able to identify each species and trace its evolution throughout prehistory you definitely gain an appreciation for the incredible work these guys do. Seriously, this is surely one of the most amazing feats of human scientific knowledge. We’ve existed some 250,000 years approximately yet they can trace species that have been extinct MILLIONS of years and existed in many different forms for many millions of years before their extinction… 🤯
@WreckItRolfe
@WreckItRolfe Ай бұрын
It's guesswork. Educated guesswork
@hatnemtom
@hatnemtom 2 жыл бұрын
Clint is hands down the most wholesome scientist/biologist in the entire world. I wish I could see him give a lecture about anything in a classroom.
@jhudora3256
@jhudora3256 2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@kenziehurlock
@kenziehurlock 2 жыл бұрын
His lectures are very informative and dive deep into the subject. He also makes it fun to learn. I had him as my biology GE professor at UVU. It was over live stream during Covid so unfortunately I never got to pet one of his snakes.
@gecko2738
@gecko2738 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenziehurlock he has to wee wees? Lucky wife.
@naturalistmind
@naturalistmind 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenziehurlock I'd love that but I'm just a subgrad web design major so it's unlikely I'd even go to uni
@malibuhiegts
@malibuhiegts 2 жыл бұрын
*inhales big breath of vapor* "Join me and together we can ruuuughhhhhooewwhewhewhewhewhewhew" They always make me cough those vapes
@dragonbowlsupper
@dragonbowlsupper 2 жыл бұрын
I can feel Clint's unbridled joy that he finally gets to do a dinosaur episode
@Dialogos1989
@Dialogos1989 2 жыл бұрын
Chelsey!! Fancy to see you here!!
@Exav2
@Exav2 2 жыл бұрын
I am living for this man's enthusiasm for Dinosaurs. Mad respect
@drewdrewski4188
@drewdrewski4188 Жыл бұрын
Like the use of Velociraptor instead of Deinonychus, Alan Grant's movie line about raptor meaning "bird of prey" is also derived from a scene in the novel. (Spoilers) Early in the book, a young construction worker at Jurassic Park who was attacked by a raptor was brought to a hospital in a failed attempt to save his life. In his dying gasps he said the word "raptor" over and over, which the English-speaking doctor assumed was a Spanish word she didn't know. After some digging she realized it's an English word, and the dictionary defined it as "bird of prey."
@JonathanRossRogers
@JonathanRossRogers 7 ай бұрын
So you're saying that "raptor" does mean "bird of prey."
@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013
@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 6 ай бұрын
@@JonathanRossRogers I mean...not really? That's like saying the meaning of the word "Tyrannosaurus" is "One of the largest carnivores to ever live," Also, the the OP, even explained that whole bit is Insane; even in a pre-Jurrassic Park world where the average person probably didn't know much about dinosaurs, the idea that there has been any point in the last century where an anglophone physician could hear the word 'raptor' and think it's spanish and need to look it up is buckwild.
@JonathanRossRogers
@JonathanRossRogers 6 ай бұрын
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 WTF are you talking about? I didn't say anything about Tyrannosaurs or Spanish.
@everynametaken
@everynametaken 6 ай бұрын
@@JonathanRossRogers It has been used in that sense for a while, especially before Jurassic Park made dromaeosaurid raptors famous
@stickiedmin6508
@stickiedmin6508 5 ай бұрын
​@@JonathanRossRogers Nobody said that.
@Duncan_Idaho_Potato
@Duncan_Idaho_Potato 2 жыл бұрын
I remember that a short time after JP came out, a lot of pop-science publications published articles about how the velociraptor was nothing like what was depicted in the movie. Then a short time after that, Utahraptor was discovered and those same publications were publishing articles about how scientists had discovered the REAL velociraptor from Jurassic Park. Apparently, none of them knew about deinonychus.
@hanburgundy4317
@hanburgundy4317 2 жыл бұрын
Even then, Deinonychus is too small and Utahraptor is too big for what's depicted. Based on the size, and where the amber was obtained, the raptors in the films are Achillobator Giganticus Mongoliensis.
@AlexSciChannel
@AlexSciChannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@hanburgundy4317 except Achillibator are Mongolian animals and the raptors in JP are found natively in Montana as seen by the dig sites in JP1 and JP3
@hanburgundy4317
@hanburgundy4317 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexSciChannel InGen didn't clone the dinosaurs from fossils (fossils don't retain any DNA) - Hammond just funded Grant's digs. They used preserved mosquitos found in amber to resurrect the dinos, which were mined in the Dominican Republic and Mongolia (as well as others, IIRC). The raptors, particularly, came from Mongolia, which is why Wu thought they had bred Velociraptor Mongoliensis but had actually bred Velociraptor Antirrhopus (which doesn't actually exist, but was how they were thinking about classifying Deinonychus at the time). However, Deinonychus came from north America, and it was the size of a dog, so if we're going to debate what the most likely candidate is the best option is Achillobator (even though it was likely longer and heavier than what's in the films).
@AlexSciChannel
@AlexSciChannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@hanburgundy4317 No the amber came from Grant's digs which is in the books
@MWSin1
@MWSin1 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Deinonychus is about the size of the dilophosaurus seen in Jurassic Park, while dilophosaurus is about the size of the velociraptors seen in Jurassic Park (a little bit bigger, in fact).
@Croftice1
@Croftice1 Жыл бұрын
While the regular JP Velociraptors might have been Deinonychus, The Big One (the Alpha female from the begining, who Muldoon said about that she killed the others except for two) was a Utahraptor according to Robert T. Bakker, who was working with Spielberg's filming team. You know the popular novel "Raptor Red" by R. T. Bakker? In there is a foreword on how the team harassed him with questions about their dinos and one day they asked, if a large "Velociraptor" would be scientifically possible (meaning if it's possible to dig out a fossil of that size, that they wanted in the movie). Then later Bakker's team uncovered the Utahraptor and "confirmed" the studios request, saying something like "I've found your Big One". So the leading raptor was confirmed to be Utahraptor, the Big One, the regular ones were most likely Deinonychus. Bakker is btw also mentioned in the movie by Tim. When the group goes to see the ill Tric, Tim talks to Grant about reading his book and also a book of someone called Bakker, the later's book had more pages than Grant's. In a bigger picture it's also still open for interpretation. Why? Because despite the scientific knowledge and that we're able to use it to "guess" the species true identity in the movies, it overall doesn't really matter that much. They aren't real dinos, they are clones mostly altered by fidling with their DNA, trying to fix it with adding bits from other species (a huge subplot in the novels, why dinos reproduce despite being created as females and stuff), so the results are InGen creations, that somehow look like dinosaurs, but aren't. At least not pure dinos. That also explains, or rather justifies why most of them don't have feathers, like real dinos should.
@spiker.ortmann
@spiker.ortmann 3 ай бұрын
They even say it in Jurassic World. When the CEO or whatever goes to the scientific lab where they made the "dinosaurs" to berate the head genetist for creating the indoraptor (at least I think that was the name) he says "that's not a dinosaur" and the genetist answer "none of them are, we hadn't the full DNA sequence and we completed it with other species' bits, if they where real dinosaurs most of them would look a lot different"... 😂
@motorcitymangababe
@motorcitymangababe Жыл бұрын
I still want parodies of your regular videos! "Is velociraptor the right pet for you?" Come on, sell me on a murder turkey. If anyone could it would be you lol
@necrogenesis1981
@necrogenesis1981 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a dinosaur nerd myself, I know you generally talk about living species but I wouldn’t complain if you talked about extinct ones more often too.
@mdev3853
@mdev3853 2 жыл бұрын
Just a small note, it’s no longer thought that raptors used that big claw as a “slashing” weapon. Rather, it’s thought that they used it to help hold onto prey and pin them to the ground, tearing them apart with their jaws and sharp teeth, possibly while their prey was still alive. … Tbh, I’m really not sure which idea is scarier. But that was just a really minor nitpick. Great video as always!
@ShibunniX
@ShibunniX 2 жыл бұрын
I came to the comments hoping to see somebody mention this!
@ApexPrimals
@ApexPrimals 2 жыл бұрын
Or maybe to cling on to prey like modern day birds of prey?j
@mdev3853
@mdev3853 2 жыл бұрын
@@ApexPrimals Very possible! Tbh, “land hawk” really isn’t a bad way to describe raptor based on the current understanding of these animals!
@ryanwalker8843
@ryanwalker8843 2 жыл бұрын
Actually it wasnt for pinning then down like some kinda staking mechanism. The fossil of a raptor fighting a protoceratops appears to show it using the claw to stab at the jugular. So you are right its stab not slash but it's not for pinning down.
@thefolder69
@thefolder69 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanwalker8843 that velociraptor was clearly not very successful in its hunt, it's more likely that it got thrown off after attempting to attack the protoceratops' back, ending up in front of it, where it then started lashing out. It seems very unlikely that part of the velociraptor's hunting strategy was putting itself in front of the other animal's head where it could slash at the neck, putting it at significant risk of being hit back (which is what the fossil shows; being in front of the prey is not a good idea)
@RoninXDarknight
@RoninXDarknight 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen entire arguments where people tried to argue that Crichton based his raptors on something other than Deinonychus using speculation about what information he did and didn't have when writing the book...which always makes me face-palm because even if the JP raptors are more similar to a different species, all of that is irrelevant in the face of the fact that Crichton himself stated that he based them on Deinonychus and then called them Velociraptor for the cool factor. So glad you mentioned that here.
@Croftice1
@Croftice1 Жыл бұрын
But Spielberg did things on his own. For example replaced the ill Stegosaur from the novel with a Triceratops, so why not replacing a Velociraptor from the book based on a Deinonychus with something ... I don't know ... bigger maybe? Like a Utahraptor? Just a thought. You know there is a novel "Raptor Red" written by the paleontologist dr. Robert T. Bakker? One of my favorite dino stories. In there there's a foreword, where the author describes how he worked as a consultant for Spielberg's movie and was constantly bombarded by questions about their dinos. One of such question was, if a much bigger Velociraptor was scientifically possible, because those existing Deinonychus based ones from the book weren't enough for the director. Few days after the movie came out, Bakker's team uncovered the Utahraptor, calling Spielberg: "hey, I've just found your Big One!" The Big One was the alpha female raptor in the movie, who killed almost all raptors in the pack, only left two of them to follow her. So according to a famous paleontologist, who was working on the movie himself as a consultant, at least the Big One is a Utahraptor. The rest migh have been slightly overgrown Deinonychus (they are still a bit larger), maybe, but the Utahraptor skeleton perfectly matched Spielberg's reqest.
@gamingwhilebroken2355
@gamingwhilebroken2355 4 ай бұрын
He lampshades it though. In the books there’s a line where they’re talking about the raptors and where they got them and Allen Grant is thinking, “uh, that’s not right, they weren’t there at that time or place,” suggesting the park thinks they’re velociraptors when they’re not.
@PaleoAnalysis
@PaleoAnalysis Жыл бұрын
I was re watching this on a walk while working on my next script and I had a random thought... Troodontids are always a fun group to talk about. People love to point out that even though the clade still is valid the actual species name Troodon is not. However, as someone who has spoken to several Paleontologist on the subject, I can tell you that this is not going to be the case forever. Because many of them have said that as soon as a new species in the clade is discovered, they will be re validating the title. So it's kinda like a Brotosaurus situation. It was deemed an invalid species but as soon as a new one turns up they are going to stick that name to it. 👀
@Christolclear101
@Christolclear101 2 жыл бұрын
When Michael Crichton was originally writing Jurassic Park, he had originally intended to use Deinonychus, but Velociraptor just sounded much cooler to him. So the Velociraptors in Jurassic Park (movies and novels), are in all technicalities, based on Deinonychus. Edit: I made this comment early into the video.
@redschafer7804
@redschafer7804 2 жыл бұрын
thts not entirely true it was actually based on the then unnamed Utahraptor. Utahraptor ostrommaysi, which is one of the largest-known member of the family Dromaeosauridae,
@joost1120
@joost1120 2 жыл бұрын
@@redschafer7804 Not true, the first parts of Utahraptor ostrommaysi were uncovered in October 1991, a year after the release of the first Jurassic Park novel and a few months after they started working on the movie.
@redschafer7804
@redschafer7804 2 жыл бұрын
@@joost1120 lol dude the Utahraptor was found in a quarry near Moab utah in1975 it wasn't named and made a separate species until 1993 there was consideration to name it after the director of the jp films. before the name change it was considered to be bigger version of Deinonychus so like i said the op is both right and wrong at the same time due to the fact that it takes so much time to decide to do anything when it comes animal classification
@Cosmo-Kramer
@Cosmo-Kramer 2 жыл бұрын
@@redschafer7804 No, you're wrong. There were no 6' tall raptors in the fossil record until the even larger Utahraptor was discovered *while* they were filming the first movie. You should listen to joost1120--he knows the score.
@redschafer7804
@redschafer7804 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cosmo-Kramerdude i'm not wrong unlike you i have done the research and actually know what i'm talking about . the uath raptor was discovered in1975 it was considered a subspecies of Deinonychus until they found more examples of them in1991. in 1993 they decided that they were unique enough to get there own species name hence the confusion and why some one can be right in saying that both Deinonychus or the uathraptor are the inspiration for the raptors in the JP movies
@MostlyHarmless68
@MostlyHarmless68 2 жыл бұрын
This is what you get when you combine a knowledgeable biologist with a true Jurassic Park fan. I loved it!
@enrath4078
@enrath4078 2 жыл бұрын
The passion this man has for dinosaurs is contagious
@Syurtpiutha
@Syurtpiutha Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the dinosaur enthusiasm, Jurrassic Park enthusiasm, Feathered dinosaur enthusiasm. There's just a lot of enthusiasm in your presentation in general and it is appreciated. I remember being confused as a kid because I was more familiar with Deinonychus in books, and velociraptor didn't match their images in those books at all. But I begrudgingly agree that velociraptor 'sounds cooler' than Deinonychus (especially since I'm never sure how to pronounce the latter).
@RabblesTheBinx
@RabblesTheBinx 8 ай бұрын
It's "dī-NAHN-ə-kəs"
@kyrab7914
@kyrab7914 6 ай бұрын
I submit that were deinonychus used, we'd know how to say it 😂 or be talking about "man, I can't believe they used the wrong pronunciation in the movie" like jif not gif...
@stickiedmin6508
@stickiedmin6508 5 ай бұрын
​@@kyrab7914 "Jif?" Don't be absurd. What letter does the word "graphics" start with? A "j," or a "g?"
@trishamason1855
@trishamason1855 3 ай бұрын
😂​ was shown a pronunciation of the word gif from 1600s(?) and it is pronounced 'yif." 😅
@spiker.ortmann
@spiker.ortmann 3 ай бұрын
​@@stickiedmin6508and that's why I usually referred to them as "images in graphic interlaced format" instead of "gifs" to avoid the pronunciation issue entirely even (or maybe BECAUSE) we speak spanish... I always found the "jif" irritating and some people argued that to be pronounced as I did it should be "guif" completely ignoring the fact that it's an acronym AND in english... 😂
@GiubileiFernando
@GiubileiFernando 2 жыл бұрын
The "Raptor means bird of prey" line is a reference to the book where a man is injured by the Raptors and taken to a mainland Doctor to be treated, the man keeps repeating "el Raptor" and when the Doctor searches for the meaning of the word he finds "bird of prey" as the definition. Birds of prey or predatory birds are called Raptors. It's also a way to establish Dinosaurs as being related to birds instead of lumbering reptiles.
@seangere9698
@seangere9698 2 жыл бұрын
Actually that's wrong. In the book El Raptor is not a bird of pray being referenced but a creature that steels new borns and devours them. It's a local superstition. The whole bird of pray thing coming from the book is a wives tale.
@GiubileiFernando
@GiubileiFernando 2 жыл бұрын
@@seangere9698 The dude was screaming El Raptor because he was attacked by a raptor. and raptor, if you google it, is defined as a bird of prey: This is what you get when you look "raptor" on a dictionary 1. a bird of prey, e.g. an eagle or hawk.
@seangere9698
@seangere9698 2 жыл бұрын
@@GiubileiFernando Yes I know the definition in a English Dictionary but that's not what he is referring to. Read the book. Read the part that deals with the Doctor that worked on him. She asked the Native nurse what he meant, considering she looked it up on her computer and she got the English Dictionary version and it didn't make sense to her that a bird of pray could have created the wounds he had all over his body. So no El Raptor was not a bird of pray in his reference. It is basically the Boogy Man for pregnant and new Mothers in their superstition. It explains exactly what they are by the nurse after she leads the Doctor out of the room with the new mother and newborn baby. I think it's still the first chapter. Might be the second chapter, not sure which as it's been 15 to 20 years sense I last read the book.
@GiubileiFernando
@GiubileiFernando 2 жыл бұрын
​@@seangere9698 I think it's meant to have multiple meanings. It's there to establish dinosaurs as birds and also as monsters. I don't think the guy literally believed the Raptor was a Boogei Man, he was actually attacked by a Raptor, as in, a Velociraptor. My comment was because the video says Raptor doesn't mean bird of prey.
@seangere9698
@seangere9698 2 жыл бұрын
@@GiubileiFernando Yes of course he meant a Raptor as in the Dino. I'm talking about the Doctor and the nurse. The doctor wanted to know what had created the wounds. As the guy said Raptor she looked it up and came up with Bird of pray. She didn't think that was right so she asked the nurse what Raptor translates to from Spanish to English as she thought it might mean something else. The nurse did what I said in the other posts.
@InfinityOrNone
@InfinityOrNone 2 жыл бұрын
Wing claws are actually present in quite a few modern birds, and are not unique to juvenile hoatzin. You can find them on ostriches, for example, and can even find good images of them online (a rarity when the internet is full of people fawning over the lapwing). Turns out that there are a lot of birds that have this, most of them outside the clade of neoaves.
@jackrutledgegoembel5896
@jackrutledgegoembel5896 Жыл бұрын
insane!
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
Even chickens have a tiny "thumb" that looks like a claw sometimes. 🤔
@jackshadowbrowse
@jackshadowbrowse Жыл бұрын
Working in food prep really let's you see (and feel) those wing claws up close. If you're not careful you'll rip your gloves on them. Who knew I could learn things from a rotisserie chicken
@Devin_Stromgren
@Devin_Stromgren 8 ай бұрын
Also geese.
@Athenas_Realm_System
@Athenas_Realm_System Жыл бұрын
It is pretty frustrating when people call Dimetrodon a Dinosaur, especially since it is closer related to modern mammals than any of the dinosaurs
@andrewbidwell6421
@andrewbidwell6421 4 ай бұрын
It’s funny how the main sure way you know something is a Dino is that it has feathers.
@louieburnham8090
@louieburnham8090 9 ай бұрын
I’ve always head-canon’d the discrepancy as InGen using mislabeled genetic samples and not knowing enough about the dinosaurs they were dealing with to realize their specimens were not velociraptor. While it doesnt play very nicely with the scene in the Badlands it does work a little better with the book and is thematically tied in with the idea that InGen was playing around with powers they barely understood.
@k0chum
@k0chum 2 жыл бұрын
I recently became re-obsessed with dinosaurs. This video could not have come out at a better time. Great video, Clint. Very informative and interesting. Would love more videos on dinosaurs in the future.
@ReadilyAvailibleChomper
@ReadilyAvailibleChomper 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@anticlaws4105
@anticlaws4105 2 жыл бұрын
SAAAMMEE!!!!!!!!!!
@spacehooliganzack7429
@spacehooliganzack7429 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people seem to be getting re-obsessed with dinosaurs lately. Must be something in the water
@sthui2866
@sthui2866 2 жыл бұрын
@@spacehooliganzack7429 prehistoric planet
@HenriqueLSilva
@HenriqueLSilva 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely hope you'll cover pterosaurs at some point, especially the azhdarchids. That's a group that doesn't get nearly as much awe and attention as it deserves apart from quetzalcoatlus.
@warcreed5658
@warcreed5658 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I always thought the raptors in the movie were actually Utahraptors. Not only because of their size and shape, but also their behavior, their intelligence and team work.
@KitsuneNeko
@KitsuneNeko 7 ай бұрын
There was a discussion stating that Spielberg learned about Utahraptors during the creation process of the movie as an excuse to continue with the size choice of his velociraptors. It's mentioned in the beginning of the novel "Raptor Red". However, the author of that novel was part of a controversy and drama related to the discovery and naming of the Utahraptor and their relation to the movie Jurassic Park. I like to think the raptors in the movie are actually Dekotaraptors. A less bulky version of the Utahraptor; keeping with the lithe and smaller Deinonychus.
@DownUnderCuber
@DownUnderCuber Жыл бұрын
In the Jurassic Park game released in 2010 it was covered that the Velociraptors in the park looked similar in size to the Deinonychus but due to the shape of their skull they were clearly Velociraptor, their larger size was explained by the cloning process that used DNA from living species to fill in the gap in the genome.
@jacobcox4565
@jacobcox4565 2 жыл бұрын
9:33 Actually, it is more likely that the famous sickle claw was used to hold smaller prey down or to hold onto larger prey as it struggled, almost like a hawk or an eagle.
@andreb2019
@andreb2019 2 жыл бұрын
Clint, you are absolutely the best reptile educator on KZbin. There isn't anyone that even comes close. Thank you for doing all that you do.
@ISAFMobius18
@ISAFMobius18 2 жыл бұрын
i never realized Utahraptors were that big. i'd love to see more size comparisons with them
@82566
@82566 10 ай бұрын
I just discovered today they existed & I live in Utah lol
@stevepalpatine2828
@stevepalpatine2828 2 ай бұрын
They're bigger than Polar Bears.
@Scififan926
@Scififan926 11 ай бұрын
The only reason I knew this information is because the Deinonychus was my favorite dinosaur as a kid (Still is among my favorites) So when I saw it on Jurassic Park I Immediately recognized that head shape. Although I admit that at first I was gaslighted by JP for a few years and reasoned that "maybe the velociraptor just looked a lot like the Deinonychus"
@HomeSlice97
@HomeSlice97 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Clint, this video reminded me of a rather ridiculous insult: referring to someone lacking intelligence as “bird-brained”, when in reality, some of the “smartest” animals on Earth today are birds. With that being said, would you consider making a video discussing how the different groups of animals compare in terms of general and specific intelligence?
@drjekyllmshyde
@drjekyllmshyde 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the smartest creatures may be birds but birds also have tens of thousands of species, most of which are incredibly dumb, some to the point of actually almost going extinct from their own stupidity like the burrowing owls in Oregon that will sometimes just make a nest in the road.
@Jtretta
@Jtretta 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot remember where I found it, but a few years back I found a study on avian brains that supports the insult being silly. They found that parrot and corvid brains have between 2.5 and 3 times the neural density of their mammalian counterparts. I'd find it interesting to know if non-avian theropods had similar neural anatomy. They probably would have been the brainiest creatures on the planet during that time period.
@sidcomegys4154
@sidcomegys4154 2 жыл бұрын
Good old peanut butter brains
@sleazyfellow
@sleazyfellow 2 жыл бұрын
You have the grace of a swan the eye of an eagle and the wisdom of an owl. You're for the birds!
@sickinsane1310
@sickinsane1310 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who is a big fan of Jurassic Park I am very impressed that you knew that about the velociraptors not actually being the dinosaur in JP and the deinonychus being the actual creature and the fact that they suspected it was part of the velociraptor Family most people completely miss that part and as someone else commented that Wu was basically guessing in the book
@michellep4792
@michellep4792 Жыл бұрын
You must be one of the most engaging educational presenters Ive seen on You Tube. You never fail to spark my interest and I thoroughly enjoy every one of your videos.
@rory9975
@rory9975 Жыл бұрын
His upbeat enthusiasm really keeps me engaged. Like he loves teaching.
@KitsuneNeko
@KitsuneNeko 7 ай бұрын
While I love birds within the corvid group... I think my favorite bird that LOOKS like an ancient prehistoric bird would be the hoatzin. While in its juvenile stage it even has claws on their wings used for grasping and climbing trees. They aren't endangered because they smell horrible and people don't hunt them for meat because they also taste terrible. However, I find them beautiful. They resemble a phoenix! If you haven't looked into this awesome bird, I highly suggest it!
@paulmryglod4802
@paulmryglod4802 5 ай бұрын
I just looked it up. For the first time ever, I looked at one and thought, yeah this definitely looks like an ancient bird
@Eschatonin6666
@Eschatonin6666 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would be really great if, in the new Jurassic World movie, they could explain the Velociraptor/Deinonychus thing, as well as all the differences those dinos have with ongoing findings in their appearances, as an issue with how they had to complete their genetic code with bits from other modern species. Therefore, they could explain that their velociraptors had gigantism
@widowmakerx7
@widowmakerx7 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading a while ago that Crichton became aware (I believe by John Ostrom) before publishing that he should distinctly say they were Deinonychus but he chose to keep it as Velociraptor because it sounded more intimidating.
@sorrenblitz805
@sorrenblitz805 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Deinonychus was more relatively recent a discovery when the book was written. Utahraptor wasn't discovered until months after the movie released
@matthewphilip2609
@matthewphilip2609 Жыл бұрын
Michael Chricton played it safe but I see why he did it, the internet wasn't as good so how were people going to find out what Deinonychus was? unlike nowadays where we can google things instantly
@sauron6977
@sauron6977 Жыл бұрын
Well, if you know what Deinonychus means, I think is more intimidating than Velociraptor
@ArinJager1
@ArinJager1 Жыл бұрын
it's still "just" sci-fi - fiction, I'd give them some slack
@dweebteambuilderjones7627
@dweebteambuilderjones7627 8 ай бұрын
@@ArinJager1 I wouldn't. People often think science fiction is more science than fiction, and then react badly when the actual science turns out to be different.
@HatOnAHat
@HatOnAHat Жыл бұрын
First time watching. You're excitement and intensity really enhances the video. I've seen so many KZbinrs who seem bored by their own content. It's refreshing to see someone enjoying the topic they're speaking on.
@jorje0068
@jorje0068 2 жыл бұрын
I found out about this sweet dinosaur when I was 7 or 8. Did an extensive report on it, and was highly offended when I saw what they did in the movie. So glad you gave it the credit it deserves.
@Mr.Glitch
@Mr.Glitch 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you've made this! I've been ranting about the velociraptors being modified deinonychus since the first images of the film came out. 😅
@friend_trilobot
@friend_trilobot 2 жыл бұрын
To my knowledge "raptor" has a literal meaning of "snatcher" but in usage meant "plunderer" or "thief" but in modern use it was used almost exclusively to denote a bird of prey until velociraptor became famous from Jurassic park and then it began to be used, in common usage if not scientific language, as a nickname for the JP "velociraptor" or dromaeosaurs in general. "Meaning" is a vague concept that must be further specified - language is complex.
@azuredragoon2054
@azuredragoon2054 2 жыл бұрын
I remember doing a report on Deinonychus in school and seeing how close it was to Velociraptor from Jurrasic Park. Both act very similarly in addition to being similar in shape. The biggest difference is their sizes. Heck, both species were known as pack hunters being the equivalent of ancient wolves.
@sorrenblitz805
@sorrenblitz805 Жыл бұрын
Michael Crichton used Deinonychus for the book. However there is actually no evidence that real Velociraptors were pack animals, as we've only found them alone. These animals acted more like Terror Birds or Eagles.
@owenwilliams7767
@owenwilliams7767 6 ай бұрын
I love these videos! I would love to see an introduction to the spinosaurids.
@batboy5268
@batboy5268 2 жыл бұрын
There's lore reasons in the book/movies as to why the velociraptors are they way they are in Jurassic Park, but I remember reading somewhere that Cricthon had originally written them to be Deinonychus however that name was difficult to pronounce and wasn't as catching as velociraptor was.
@bartangel4867
@bartangel4867 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. I'm glad you clarified that the animals in Jurassic park were deinonychus not velociraptor.
@tickets23
@tickets23 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos Clint! Please make more. It is a refreshing change to watch and learn about
@RoboticDragon
@RoboticDragon Жыл бұрын
Its always fun watching somebody talk about something they are passionate about. Also you get huge praise for pronunciation, you never hesitated once! Thanks for doing this video. Also loved all the fun Jurassic Park bits, especially when you pointed out the discrepancies and followed it with "Whatever" haha
@petersmythe6462
@petersmythe6462 2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty likely that the claw (not razor sharp except at the point) was not used for disemboweling prey but either for puncturing weak spots or simply holding onto prey. Keep in mind that cat claws are primarily used to hold onto prey. These things may have either been meant to grapple prey or puncture vitals or the throat.
@ThePitbulllady1
@ThePitbulllady1 2 жыл бұрын
That is actually exactly how the sickle claw was used. Tests done using models of Dromeosaur claws and pig carcasses as stand-ins for prey failed to produce deep slashing wounds, but were highly effective at inflicting deep punctures. In the famous "fighting dinosaurs" fossil from Mongolia, in which a Velociraptor and a Protoceratops were killed in the midst of battle(possibly by a sand dune collapse), the Raptor's sickly claw was buried in the neck of the herbivore, right where its jugular and carotid artery would have been. Chickens in the Oriental hardfeather gamefowl family, which includes Shamo and Aseels, use that inner toe claw in the same way, to target major blood vessels of opponents.
@MzDanilee
@MzDanilee 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVED THIS!!! I enjoy the varied topics you present. Don’t ever stop 🥰
@andrewbidwell6421
@andrewbidwell6421 4 ай бұрын
Well the short answer is we really didn’t know much about velociraptor until the Soviet Union collapsed as it was Soviet scientists who discovered the majority of material attributable to it.
@TheJLAMAR23
@TheJLAMAR23 Жыл бұрын
Clint, would you cover crocodilomorphs sometime? I think they are fascinating! And I love the dinosaur content .
@kekkelpenneypeckeltoot5700
@kekkelpenneypeckeltoot5700 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to get another look at Clint’s Reptiles Room and what’s happening there now! If every teacher/prof was as awesome as you are the world would be a much smarter place!! Do you have herping with Clint when people travel to visit the RR? Have an amazing weekend and week, God bless you all!
@KarlyNakashima
@KarlyNakashima 2 жыл бұрын
Deinonychus has always been my favorite dinosaur. When I was a little kid, I used to visit the Peabody Museum in CT. They had a beautiful Deinonychus display and I even had a replica claw.
@Jaybiiird
@Jaybiiird Жыл бұрын
So glad you mentioned utahraptor! I was gettin worried towards the end ;) As always fantastic video, I love this channel so much!! ♥
@bradyonyx174
@bradyonyx174 Жыл бұрын
Don’t know if anyone already mentioned this, but I believe Crichton knew his animals were Deinonychus. At the time, there was some debate as to whether Deinonychus antirrhopus was in the same genus as Velociraptor mongoliensis. Crichton chose to use the interpretation that placed them in the same genus, and thus was not completely disregarding the science of the time. I have seen people saying he believed Velociraptor sounded scarier, which I have also heard to be true.
@Ditidos
@Ditidos 2 жыл бұрын
Utahraptor is also a very cool and diferent dinosaur when compared to 80s reconstructions of Deinonychus (what the Jurassic Park raptor is), these giants have a very powerfull jaw, basically they are dromaeosaurids that convergently evolved with tyrannosaurids.
@loquinbritton3186
@loquinbritton3186 2 жыл бұрын
I def came here because somewhere along the line I heard the JP raptor was actually a Utahraptor and Clint is in Utah! I was wrong about what she actually is but still cool!
@malusignatius
@malusignatius 2 жыл бұрын
Another big Dromaeosaur worth looking up is Dakotaraptor. It's a similar size to Utahraptor but from the late Cretaceous.
@Ditidos
@Ditidos 2 жыл бұрын
@@malusignatius Yeah, Dakotaraptor was a sensation a few years back, but it seems that people forgot about it. I feel it is going to end up in the same limbo as Saurophaganax with time unless we find more material, which, considering how excavated that formation is, it probably won't be anytime soon.
@malusignatius
@malusignatius 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ditidos Didn't Saurophaganax get declared a junior synonym of Allosaurus?
@Ditidos
@Ditidos 2 жыл бұрын
@@malusignatius I think so, but like, there is little material and I think sometimes it has been argued as an adult Allosaurus fragilis while other times it has been called A. maximus and also it's own genus. Maybe I just don't know much about the species (which could be, I think last news I heard about it was before the 2010s or mid 2010s). I have seen proposals of Dakotaraptor being in Acheoraptor, both as a diferent species as well as an adult, the same with Saurophaganax, hence the comparison. Albeit I think the consensus is that it is it's own genus but I wouldn't bet my hand on it.
@Griffinsong
@Griffinsong 2 жыл бұрын
The novel raptors are clearly mentioned to not be Deinonychus [though they are certainly based on them in part] as their dna was won from amber found in China, although Crichton did lump Deinonychus [antirrhopus] with Velociraptor, both of those facts can be seen in this quote: "Ellie said, "But the animal we just saw, the velociraptor-you said it was a mongoliensis?" "From the location of the amber," Wu said. "It it is from China." "Interesting," Grant said. "I was just digging up an infant antirrhopus."" Basically, it was an unknown, very large ["The head was two feet long. (...) Grant had a blurred impression of powerful, six-foot-tall bodies," this is also way bigger than Deinonychus], Dromaeosaur species and Wu and the other scientists in the book misidentified it as Velociraptor mongoliensis based only on what the hatchlings looked like and the location the amber was from. They were guessing and got it wrong. Crichton had possibly heard of the specimen [FR.MNUFR-15, much later described as Achillobator giganticus] of then-undescribed species of giant Dromaeosaur found in Mongolia in 1989 [a year before he published his novel] and possibly based this scenario on that particular find. It was to show that Wu and the others really had no idea what they were working with.
@lanewaldon6450
@lanewaldon6450 2 жыл бұрын
If only it wasn't for the quotes from the author and the people he consulted with (John Ostrom who found and or named Deinonycus) stating that Crichton apologetically confirmed the novel Velociraptors were modeled after Deinonycus in almost every detail and simply only Velociraptor I name only as the name sounded more dramatic at the time
@Griffinsong
@Griffinsong 2 жыл бұрын
@@lanewaldon6450 Oh, I am not saying they are not modeled on Deinonychus. They are for sure since the info he had to work with was mostly about Deinonychus, and they match Deinonychus as known at the time in all but size. It's just in the book itself the species DNA is clearly pointed out to be found in amber from China and is thus misidentified as Velociraptor mongoliensis, but they got much bigger than expected. So in there they either are an Asian population of Deinonychus ['Velociraptor'] antirrhopus or more of a hypothetical larger species based on Deinonychus but possibly inspired by the find of Achillobator.
@lanewaldon6450
@lanewaldon6450 2 жыл бұрын
@@Griffinsong oohhh gotcha
@georgeskanoute3814
@georgeskanoute3814 2 жыл бұрын
@@lanewaldon6450 @Griffinsong I think the important point here is that both things can be true at the same time. Chrichton modelled his animal on deinonychus - because he needed a human-sized terrifying predator - but thought velociraptor sounded better, so he invented a reason for why the scientists mislabelled their creation. The reason he invented additionally serves the narrative function of showing that Wu & co. were stabbing in the dark half the time, playing god without, as Malcolm puts it, having earned any right to do so.
@lanewaldon6450
@lanewaldon6450 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgeskanoute3814 such an excellent take I appreciate the comment
@clairenelson191
@clairenelson191 Жыл бұрын
I love how enthusiastic he is about the stuff he talks about and its not over the top too so you can really see how much he really loves what he talks about :)
@StandardGoose
@StandardGoose 8 ай бұрын
Chrichton does actually mention Deinonychus in the book. Grant says something about Deinonychus being classified as "one of the Velociraptors". What's more interesting is that although we classify the species Velociraptor Mongoliensis and Deinonychus Antirrhopus today, Chrichton specifically mentions that the dinosaurs Grant is digging up in the badlands are "Velociraptor Antirrhopus" (which doesn't exist). There is a short conversation between Grant and Wu about the two species, and Wu reveals that he assumes theirs are Velociraptor Mongoliensis because the amber came from China. But Velociraptor Antirrhopus isn't a real species; Deinonychus Antirrhopus is. So it's clear that Chrichton meant Deinonychus. His information was out of date and he mistakenly classified Deinonychus in the genus Velociraptor. However, I still think he got even that wrong. Deinonychus was significantly smaller than protrayed in both the book and the movies, being about 4ft tall. Austroraptor is a closer candidate for size, but Austraroraptor is slightly too big (and Utahraptor significantly too big). Also Austroraptor has a much more elongated bird-like snout than depicted in the films. Ultimately, the dinsaurs depicted in Jurassic Park are no species that ever existed.
@cooper10182
@cooper10182 6 ай бұрын
Funnily enough, the copy of the book I had (movie tie in reprint of the novel from Walmart) had it printed as "Velociraptor Americianus" almost like someone decided to go for broke and call it essentially "American Swift plunderer"
@JaylukKhan
@JaylukKhan 6 ай бұрын
It wasn't a mistake. Gregory S. Paul classified Deinonychus antirrhopus as Velociraptor antirrhopus.
@AOHara-vo9fy
@AOHara-vo9fy 5 ай бұрын
@@cooper10182 Lore that has come out later actually lists the InGen raptors as "Velociraptor Nublarensis," since the genome was modified.
@HingleMcCringleberryX21J
@HingleMcCringleberryX21J 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this breakdown. Even though its probably common knowledge in the fandom, there’s an awful lot of people who aren’t aware of how small Velociraptors really were, and that what we see in the movies is based on an entirely different dinosaur. Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but I seem to vividly remember as a kid that as Jurassic Park gained more and more popularity the less representation deinonychus seemed to get in media and literature. I guess it’s because the name was less recognizable to people in comparison to velociraptor?
@robertrhodes8432
@robertrhodes8432 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they were not much bigger than a mid breed dog right?
@neganrex5693
@neganrex5693 Жыл бұрын
The Velociraptors was the Turkey of it's day and Fred Fiintstone would had one for Thanksgiving.
@Derpysaur123
@Derpysaur123 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact about theris, when they were first discovered we only had the claws and nothing else. At the time of this discovery we didnt have any other within the family so the individuals who found it had no idea what to make of it. The go to idea was that it was a massive turtle, and everytime I think about that I cant help but laugh.
@KurNorock
@KurNorock 2 жыл бұрын
It's not much of a stretch. Many ancient turtles had enormously long claws.
@Dr._Heinz_Doofenshmirtz
@Dr._Heinz_Doofenshmirtz 2 жыл бұрын
i can see how they were initially believed to be a turtle the claws do resemble a turtle's flipper structure
@Derpysaur123
@Derpysaur123 2 жыл бұрын
@@KurNorock Absolutely just comparatively it's a huge jump from a turtle to one of the strangest theropods we've ever found is just very funny to me
@TheSteFanden
@TheSteFanden 5 ай бұрын
Unrelated to the subject of this video: You have such a great energy, when explaining and teaching about this stuff. It is a joy, to hear, not only because you talk about dinosaurs and their contemporaries, but just because you seem to shine, while talking. Good job!
@RubbittTheBruise
@RubbittTheBruise Жыл бұрын
Loving watching you nerd out. I think you cannot fake your nerdity. Keep going.
@kylefriend6391
@kylefriend6391 2 жыл бұрын
“Jurassic Park was one of the best things that ever happened to me.” That really hit home! Great video sir- really reminds me of the PBS & BBC shows I grew up with, just more fun. Would love a Top 5 Best Nature shows/movies you loved as a kid!
@starsukigirl8884
@starsukigirl8884 2 жыл бұрын
Love the pictures that were used. I enjoyed seeing pictures that depicted dinosaurs more so, then most pictures that are seen! I always heard people say how birds are the dinosaurs of today. After seeing the pictures and hearing those amazing explanations, it really was a wonderful eye opener lol Makes so much more sense! I feel knowledge-a-fied! Lol 😆 Keep up the awesome videos! 👌
@geckosarecute6304
@geckosarecute6304 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Clint for a rad video!! I love Dinos and reptiles and I learned allot from your channel!!! Especially this video!!!! ❤️❤️
@BAFLOD
@BAFLOD 2 жыл бұрын
Clint. Very rarely do I see a video with such passion. Your facts about both movie and book is very learnded. The subtlety worded references inside a very knowledgeable hit piece, on a subject most people only have peripheral view on. This video is a very soft introduction into a very misunderstood topic, on all three topics talked about(in video and text box).
@tschandler2
@tschandler2 2 жыл бұрын
Dakotaraptor is probably a good candidate for the Jurassic Park raptor. It's from the Hell Creek/Lance Formation like most of Ingen's list. And it is roughly the size of the JP Raptor.
@dweebteambuilderjones7627
@dweebteambuilderjones7627 8 ай бұрын
It wasn't known ATOW.
@friedrichfazbear5469
@friedrichfazbear5469 7 ай бұрын
Deinonychus as well. Although I personally like Dakotaraptors more.
@everynametaken
@everynametaken 6 ай бұрын
Though Dakotaraptor may just not in fact exist
@friedrichfazbear5469
@friedrichfazbear5469 6 ай бұрын
@@everynametaken Care to explain?
@Ryodraco
@Ryodraco 2 жыл бұрын
If you'll indulge me in some criticisms, while the Jurassic Park Velociraptors were intended to be based on Deinonychus, I'd say they were still substantially larger than any known Deinonychus at least based on figures I could find. Deinonychus had a body mass (at least by some estimates) more like a large wolf (with its tail greatly adding to its length), and had substantially less height than the Jurassic Park Velociraptors (who are usually close in height to a grown man). Weight estimates for them I could find also suggested the Jurassic Park Velociraptors were some 330 pounds in weight, well above any Deinonychus estimate. Also, currently at least there seems to be little evidence that they used their sickle claws to slash or disembowel prey. Every study I could where their function was tested suggested they were not shaped well for cutting or even stabbing (in a test they couldn't do more than make small, shallow holes in prey), and instead may have been used to help hold prey down, or possibly to help climb. The hand claws were more suited for killing prey.
@jakewallace2265
@jakewallace2265 2 жыл бұрын
You could say they were based on Utahraptor, even though the filmmakers said they were based on Deinonychus
@Ryodraco
@Ryodraco 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakewallace2265 the issue there is that Utahraptor was even bigger than them, they were more in-between in size.
@jakewallace2265
@jakewallace2265 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ryodraco You’re right, I didn’t really think about length. Seems like achillobator was roughly the same height and length.
@matyaskassay4346
@matyaskassay4346 2 жыл бұрын
yeah but back when the novel and the movie were made they were though to be larger and more similar to the ones in the movie.
@Ryodraco
@Ryodraco 2 жыл бұрын
@@matyaskassay4346 were they? I'm pretty sure Deinonychus' estimated size and weight has been pretty consistent ever since its discovery.
@Thenogomogo-zo3un
@Thenogomogo-zo3un 3 ай бұрын
Clint, love your enthusiasm for the subject. it's very infectious
@theatreofcontroversy
@theatreofcontroversy Жыл бұрын
You clear and present joy on your face as your talk about your topic of interest is so energising
@creepyoldlady2995
@creepyoldlady2995 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Clint! I have just adopted a juvenile crested gecko. She (he?) is definitely a springy one. I look forward to many years of trying to keep her from injuring herself. Thanks so much for your videos!
@rex90pawprint
@rex90pawprint 2 жыл бұрын
Clint, you are incredible!!! I have been a dinosaur nerd my whole life and spend most of my time doing research and am working on a dinosaur game, and it is SO GREAT to see someone doing one of these JP based videos who actually knows what they’re talking about with dinosaurs and uses actual palaeontology! On a side note, I showed my girlfriend, who wasn’t at all an “animal person”, your channel a few months ago and now it’s pretty much her favourite channel!
@a52productions
@a52productions 6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for making this video! I love your phylogeny videos and Paraves is one of my favorite groups of animals, so this made me happy to see :)
@roycehuepers4325
@roycehuepers4325 8 ай бұрын
Fun fact: The confusion is from the books. Michael Crichton used a particular paleoart book as inspiration that lumped deynonichus and velociraptor together. So in the book universe, velociraptor can refer to either as they're subspecies.
@caydensteele6001
@caydensteele6001 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Clint! I loved this video, it's so important that people get an updated look at dinosaurs and jurassic world sure isn't doing that 😭. You did a wonderful job explaining maniraptora here! However, there is one thing I want to point out. You kept with the slashing hypothesis for the sickle claw on dromaeosaurs but if I'm not mistaken this has largely been disproven as the shape and power of the claw would not have been too great at slashing. I think the leading hypothesis now is "raptor prey restraint" where a dromaeosaur would pin its prey down no only with its claws but crushing grip as well and flap its wings to keep balance while it ate pieces off the struggling prey at its leisure. Again, I could be wrong about it being the most accepted hypothesis but it sure is a cool one! I look forward to whatever group gets picked next!
@prufan
@prufan 2 жыл бұрын
"and jurassic world sure isn't doing that " of course not, Jurassic park has got its own established style of dinosaurs, no one would change velociraptors either.
@tyranitararmaldo
@tyranitararmaldo 2 жыл бұрын
If you want crazier than Therizinosaurs, try Deinocheirus. The camel-humped, duck-faced, giant-clawed, gigantic dinosaur that lived in Mongolia.
@cherrydeathclaw
@cherrydeathclaw 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta remember that it was feathered!
@gladiusbladeofthenorth9939
@gladiusbladeofthenorth9939 2 жыл бұрын
Deinocheirus is also an ornithomimosaurid,making it related to gallimimus
@r.cjones1515
@r.cjones1515 2 жыл бұрын
DECK-FACED!!!! 😨😨😨😨
@marlom7882
@marlom7882 2 жыл бұрын
@@cherrydeathclaw I liked it better when I thought most dinosaurs had leather like skin than feathers to be honest
@jeanpagette5019
@jeanpagette5019 2 жыл бұрын
The need to load up Ark is strong
@TheRealCeeJai
@TheRealCeeJai 4 ай бұрын
14:55 "I told you how many times? We need locking mechanisms on the vehicle doors!" Nice reference, sir. /slowclap
@wolfpathstudio1055
@wolfpathstudio1055 Жыл бұрын
Seeing the pura passion in which this is narrated just sparks joy. Thank you for explaining one of the coolest dinosaurs ever in such an amazing way!
@joeofdoom
@joeofdoom 2 жыл бұрын
"What John Hammond and InGen did at Jurassic Park is create genetically engineered theme park monsters! Nothing more and nothing less" Dr Alan Grant
@NickLavic
@NickLavic 2 жыл бұрын
While deinonychus is definitely the inspiration for the Jurassic Park raptors, deinonychus is still much smaller than the raptors from the movie. Interestingly, dakotaraptor is much closer in size and can also be found in Montana.
@jeffjackson9679
@jeffjackson9679 Жыл бұрын
They measured over 10 feet long. That is more than about the right size on how they portray them in the film.
@HotFreshTofu
@HotFreshTofu Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy learning from you. Your passion really shines through, and the enthusiasm puts me in a good mood. Thanks for the great educational content.
@darksquid11
@darksquid11 Жыл бұрын
Your enthusiasm is so infectious!! Dinosaurs are cool, been a fan since second grade. But my favorite part of this video is your enthusiasm.
@Blixthand
@Blixthand Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I definitely haven’t kept my Dino knowledge up to date. I remember both Velociraptor and Deinonychus being in the basic Dino books I had 20+ years ago, but either they went the Chricton route or there were some confusion because I’m quite sure they listed Deinonychus as the smaller one, though I can’t remember the exact wording if they were claimed to be very close relatives. Maybe the confusion came from that Utah Raptor and it was actually that which was listed as Velociraptor in my books and Deinonychus was correctly labeled as smaller than that?
@draktheman3050
@draktheman3050 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say they're waaaay more like Achillobator. It's very fragmentary from my understanding, though larger than Deinonychus and still smaller than the enormous Utahraptor. Though indeed Chrichton initially wanted them to be Deinonychus but figured Velociraptor was a more appealing name, I'd say Terrible Claw is way cooler than Swift Thief.
@Tarasaurus13
@Tarasaurus13 2 жыл бұрын
Before I even watched the video, It was always to my understanding that Deinonychus was the closest resemblance
@thewingedporpoise
@thewingedporpoise 2 жыл бұрын
I would say that animals like Achillobator and Utahraptor are too bulky to be able to be accurate stand-ins for the JP raptor also it isn't very fragmentary, there's quite a good amount of material from what I can tell if you want a replacement genera for the JP raptors, I think Dakotaraptor (which is quite fragmentary and not well known) is the best you can get besides Deinonychus
@MrTroodon_Official
@MrTroodon_Official 2 жыл бұрын
@@thewingedporpoise From my understanding Dakotaraptor is bigger than Achillobator, on general Jp raptors are fairly close to the largest Deinonychus specimen.
@gladiusbladeofthenorth9939
@gladiusbladeofthenorth9939 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrTroodon_Official hello mr.troodon
@Guoy
@Guoy 2 жыл бұрын
Achillobator was not found in the US, so therefore it couldn't be an Achillobator. Dakotaraptor had the same size as the movie Velociraptors and was found in the US.
@mysticbeastdraws2067
@mysticbeastdraws2067 Жыл бұрын
this is actually epic. I usually watch this channel cuz I like looking at reptiles and learning some cool stuff about them. My guess before you said it was Utah raptor, but learning it was deinonycus was even cooler. Never would have guessed. 10/10 really informative and interesting video, subbing
@cattu1
@cattu1 8 ай бұрын
Super fascinating and love your delivery!
@azurehanyo
@azurehanyo Жыл бұрын
I somehow missed this episode. AMAZING. Deinonychus has forever been my favourite dinosaur, and I remember being confused as a child when they called them "velociraptors". I feel validated now!
@peterlamantia6332
@peterlamantia6332 Жыл бұрын
You know, I would depict the "Velociraptor" in Jurassic Park to be a Utahraptor's body but the head being a Deinonychus. It's just fascinating to think that these creatures lived at one point.
@paolocarl.8205
@paolocarl.8205 7 ай бұрын
Utahraptors are definitely too big compared to what's shown in the film
@petermorrissey8497
@petermorrissey8497 Жыл бұрын
I use to correct people about the Raptors in JP. I am a Palaeontologist btw. Great video.
@JeremyAndersonBoise
@JeremyAndersonBoise Жыл бұрын
I love these videos, Clint. I really do. Thank you for being the best science educator on the internet.
@Goofyahhpaleofan
@Goofyahhpaleofan 2 жыл бұрын
Clint at the beginning spoke many truths (specifically "dinosaurs are probably the coolest things to have ever lived on this planet).
@birbdad1842
@birbdad1842 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done! I'd say the spinosaurids would be a fantastic topic, since they were also heavily specialized dinosaurs and much more divers then previously thought. They have a wild history aswell in paleontology
@prepositioned
@prepositioned 2 жыл бұрын
im so glad to get more information on deinonychus and velociraptors, i keep searching for content like this so i can learn more
@SamsonFernendez
@SamsonFernendez Жыл бұрын
My new favourite youtuber, where have you been all these while?
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