Which Region Has the Strongest Pokemon?

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[@bluprint27]

Gen 4, 6, 7 and 8: *Fighting to their death* Gen 1, 2 and 3: *Crying in the corner* Gen 5: I'm just happy to be here.

[@iandean1112]

Gen 5 just straight vibing in the middle the whole time makes me very happy.

[@jjc4924]

That's one of the reasons why it's my favorite gen.

[@andreymalihan2712]

Same Unova Region is one of a kind followed by Sinnoh

[@BigBoss-nn2ut]

Stats are one small factor in a plethora of things that matter, it’d be reversed in a lot of scenarios. Kinda like simply being a great at punching doesn’t make you a great boxer, so to speak. I’ve seen a Smoochum utterly destroy people, stats don’t make the Mon’ mann 😎

[@Galavantworks]

Gen V: *”Let them fight”*

[@nightmarishtaco3434]

Alternate title: Mikey isn't happy until gen 4 falls from the top

[@chrisbarone515]

Does any one know what happened to Pokemon talk?

[@morgan8327]

@@chrisbarone515 He's not motivated enough to do it.

[@zach4463]

It still one 3 out of the 5 polls so another win for gen 4. 4 in total

[@patrickkelly6195]

Nightmarish Taco so true

[@jaybirdflyin]

And gen 3 isn't on the bottom

[@AlbertFingernoodle959]

Also known as “Mikey tries to dethrone gen 4 for 14 minutes straight”

[@TacoMan-qu7du]

Exactly. He used the word hypothesis, but then used his own bias throughout the entire experiment to alter the results. Thus, the experiment is invalid

[@red_dickfigures]

@@TacoMan-qu7du it ain't that deep lmao??

[@TacoMan-qu7du]

@@red_dickfigures He may not have thought about it that way, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t that way

[@red_dickfigures]

@@TacoMan-qu7du bruh its a video about pokemon ain't nobody care

[@TacoMan-qu7du]

@@red_dickfigures “bruh” “ain’t nobody”….I bet you slouch a lot

[@noahryan1918]

This whole video is, Gen 4 is clearly the strongest, how can I change that

[@Martin724K]

Yeah he wanted to make Hoenn better so he always find a different method

[@zekrom320]

I mean, the overall meta was shook wayyy harder from something like Gen 3 or Gen 5 when compared to Gen 4.

[@paramchopra8277]

Yeh but ten 4 has literally has THE GOD POKWMON ND THE CREATION TRIO so its gotta be strong.removing the legendry and new evelutions he die right

[@LordRemiem]

Above all it is funny that Gen3 had that low BST average in all metrics... I mean, that's the generation of Flygon, Salamence, Metagross, Aggron... AND SLAKING!

[@mentalinakiii3875]

Galar: hold my beer

[@SuhSavage]

Gen 5 just chilling in the middle the whole time.

[@evantiel727]

Ye, balanced as all things should be!

[@banj4356]

Consistency

[@darklordxerinic]

Gen 5: “No sir. Not getting out of this chair.”

[@callumfootitt5366]

Whispers * best gen

[@shady8045]

ngl i thought gen 5 would win because of the power creep it caused and how many viable OU mons are there (farathorn, landerous, etc)

[@FutureF123]

Mikey: *Realizes that Gen 3 is the weakest in his metric.* “So I wasn’t happy with those results...”

[@ColdEmperor]

Pretty much. Gen 4 was consistently the strongest in 4/6 lists. There is no way not to say gen 4 is the strongest. I’m happy with those results.

[@Janemba50]

Colonel Jinkuro gen 4 is my favorite sooooooooooooo I think your right

[@MandJTV]

ssshhh

[@pastumbrella228]

@@MandJTV When is the next pokemon talk

[@seaserpent3128]

Why didn't you use regional dex

[@Oscar_OPSP]

Gen 4: At the top through all of his normal calculations Mikey: And I took that personally

[@wakuwaku8815]

Gen 4: *Exists* Michael: no

[@cadekoala7104]

Michael- “But I still wasn’t satisfied” After Trim- no Pokémon left in list

[@darianclark3980]

Mike wasnt satisfied having Gen 4 being on top

[@pokeoh1831]

Mike was not happy with everything so he took everything out

[@IsabruhMoment]

Is this how the Dexit happened?

[@pokeoh1831]

No, this is DEXITWO created by mikey it escaped and now hates pokemon and tries to cut the dex not even pikachu made through this attack

[@miirae3322]

“I decided to get rid of Ice type pokemon because who the hell uses those anyways” “But I still wasnt satisfied so I started trimming out all pokemon that have complimentary colors”

[@Dragyronix]

Mike: "Misdreavus was terrible." Me: "insert "it dosn't affect misdreavus" meme here"

[@Jakewebmaster8]

The opposing Mike used Trash Talk! It doesn't effect Misdreavus...

[@Aresnen]

Go mega charizard use blast burn it doesn’t effect misdreavus

[@tedscheett9420]

Ah, fellow Chuggaconaroy aficionados!

[@samlim7963]

Anyone still remember the count at the end of the series? Edit: pretty sure it was in the 70s

[@interestingname343]

Ι cαn't bελιeve sομεonε rεferenced that lol

[@fundifferus5423]

Interesting that gen 3 had 386 as its point total after legendaries were removed. That was the total amount in the national Pokedex at that time.

[@rileybuckner9263]

What great thing to point out!

[@imartinov]

There were 34 out of the 107 pokemon in sinnoh after the final cut. He cut out about 2/3 of the sinnoh dex.

[@MrDiplomat180]

Underrated comment

[@LilyMaeBlossom]

The worst part is, maybe not BST wise but usage wise, the best pokemon of Sinnoh are still there. What legends.

[@marmota7615]

It's all about average stats, so even if there was only 1 pokemon left, that could be like Infernape, so the average would be 534.0

[@BeepBoopBee]

@@marmota7615 yeah, but there's more pokemon than just infernape. So cutting such a large percentage of the dex to get that average isn't a proper representation of everything that region has to offer. There's a lot of dumb ways he trimmed the lists. Regional forms are put in a different region than where they were introduced (Alolan Vulpix should be in the Alola list, because you couldn't use Alolan Vulpix in kanto when they were introduced. Same goes for other regional forms), weak unevolved pokemon get booted when they are just as much a part of that region as the fully evolved ones of that region, legendary Pokemon were cut all together when it would've made much more sense to just put them in the list for the region they were introduced in, new evolutions for old pokemon were cut when they are new pokemon in their own right, etc etc. It feels less like an investigation based in facts and more like a targeted system to only confirm the hypothesis with no allowed way to refute the hypothesis.

[@ryuuronin9852]

Should probably keep in mind the other regions were also cut down. Losing Prevos is probably gonna remove somewhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of any given dex.

[@darcyiscool3476]

Gen 4: Wins everything Michael: Let's remove everything from Gen 4, oh looks like Gen 6 is the obvious winner

[@chendror872]

Poor gen 4

[@reddragonair3147]

@@chendror872 Dude, poor Gen II. Gen IV still has plenty going for it.

[@chendror872]

@@reddragonair3147 true I mean pretty sure the point of this video is to say gen 2 is "weak"

[@ewanmiller3609]

Gen 2, 4 and 6 are my favorite games. Coincidence that they are even-numbered.

[@darcyiscool3476]

@@ewanmiller3609 Mainly Gen 4 for me

[@pizzarollism9755]

gen 4 fans: “wow it’s the stronge-“ michael: “well yes, but actually no.”

[@AliceIsSleepy]

The Solao I mean... You have to swap a lot to make 2 the strongest, if it even is possible

[@CarlosRodriguez-vs2gp]

which gen has the strongest pokemon? ohh this pokemon are too strong that it is unfair lets remove them

[@G_x_4]

he did all he can to make things fair as much as possible.

[@user-gh6zh6dx7m]

@@ole9274 You can fucking comprehend the standards he said and undserstand it quickly, if you have the mental capacity of a gradeschool graduate, that you surely don't have based on your insignificant question

[@user-gh6zh6dx7m]

@@ole9274 wrong, try again.

[@sebastiancawsey5024]

Love how gen 5 stayed in 4th place, until, moving up to 3rd in the end.

[@Anime-Doom]

I love just how many hoops needed to be jumped through to pry Gen 4 off of it's throne, when everything else needs to buffed AND you need to be de-buffed to make it a fair fight you know you deserve that crown.

[@grizlerber]

Michael: "Unfortunately i ran out of ways the to put gen 4 farther down the ranking so fourth it is"

[@calamariknight481]

he could still remove all pokemons that aren't fire type

[@notgamernotabot9514]

@@calamariknight481 lol

[@bloemkoolendestreetgang450]

Calamari Knight that would buff the base stat total tho

[@coldore6734]

He did it out of curiosity nit ti let gen 4 not first

[@ariancontreras4358]

His goal was to show that Gen 2 pokemon suck gameplaywise.

[@emmanuelespinosa6368]

Michael: "I wasn't satisfied with the trimmed, so I left gen 4 without pokemons, now this is a real ranking"

[@mizzix]

Can people stop being butt hurt about the ranking,gen 4 won 3 out of the 4 lits,now stfu

[@csekat]

69 likes ... nice

[@angelxcutiee69]

@@mizzix r

[@Adam-jk8zs]

@@mizzix at the end my dude crowned gen 6 the strongest when it clearly isnt XD

[@mermaid_hina2713]

Literally after it's all said and done Gen 4 was left with Torterra, Infernape, Empoleon, Staraptor, Bibarel, Kricketune, Luxray, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Wormadam, Mothim, Vespiquen, Pachirisu, Floatzel, Cherrim, Gastrodon, Drifblim, Lopunny, Purugly, Skuntank, Bronzong, Chatot, Spiritomb, Garchomp, Lucario, Hippowdon, Drapion, Toxicroak, Carnivine, Lumineon, Abomasnow and Rotom. Btw after removing Legendaries and Pokemon related to ones from previous generations Gen 4 actually has less new Pokemon than even Gen 6, making it the smallest generation in this regard with only 64 new Pokemon. Gen 6, despite only adding 72 new Pokemon Period, has 65 Pokemon under those conditions.

[@blumago4717]

Alternate title: Mandjtv desperately trying to dethrone gen 4 (even if he didnt know it)

[@SergeIsToxic]

Alternate title: how to make gen 4 seem way weaker than it is

[@Pancakes_Master]

Sinnoh, especially with BDSP and PLA might be the most difficult region in pokemon. Hell, there’s level 100 magikarp there. And unlike previous remakes, they made the fights in bdsp HARDER.

[@deepanjanmandal3694]

@@Pancakes_Master GOAT region for a reason

[@bigquan8217]

@@deepanjanmandal3694☠️☠️

[@bergentrueckung_2557]

The first several graphs: Yeah! Go Generation 4!!! The last two graphs: *cries in Generation 4*

[@unitystarlight13]

Lol the last 2 were ridiculous... What's wrong with having new evolutions of previous pokemon? Are we ranking a gen by the strenght of its pokemon or not?? Gen 4 is basically made of new evolutions... If you cut those out, how many pokemon will you be using in your equations? 20/30 pokemon? Good joke.

[@fluffernal]

Me: [sad for gen 2 but happy for gen 4]

[@ibrahimquaizar7087]

Yes, I feel your pain

[@TenToGriff]

@@unitystarlight13 If only he did different calculations that included the new evolutions...

[@unitystarlight13]

@@TenToGriff yeah if only...

[@krapocalyps6240]

The fact that after removing mega and special forms gen 1 dropt 20 points really shows how much special attention it got

[@loveruwi]

True af

[@kingspoodler6144]

Dropt? You mean dropped?

[@krapocalyps6240]

king spoodler yes

[@Cj-iu5px]

Yeah Im pretty sure GameFreak/Nintendo just milk peoples nostalgia for money.Theyre like “look Charizard can mega evolve TWICE”.

[@grazinggreninja9232]

Are you genwunner????

[@TheTurdle]

Mikey's like the kid who changes the game's rules so he can win

[@TheTurdle]

Gen 4 : *Wins* Mikey : This is unfair, let's remove all Pokémon whose national dex entries go from 387 to 479

[@galarianblades5674]

This whole video: how do i stop gen 4 being top

[@unversedhero6028]

Also: "how do I get gen 3 to not be dead last."

[@xodiac-gg7049]

yep

[@RandomPerson-kz9uf]

Simple, switch positions-- Wait, by top and bottom you guys were refering to the list?

[@FMJUploads]

@@RandomPerson-kz9uf underated

[@wolfishcat7922]

Gen 4 falling made me sad cuz I was a gen 4 baby (aka Diamond was my first Pokémon game)

[@TheChrisman15]

Gen 6: has the "strongest" pokemon Also Gen 6: *literally the easiest main series pokemon games*

[@PinkGoldAbby]

That's completely subjective because in XY, you get east access to Mega Lucario and Lapras and also the gym leaders have barely any gen 6 pokemon. This list is based purely off of pokemon alone, so yeah, you can't say anything about the games trolololo 🍼🍼🍼

[@yohanesbobbysanjaya3541]

because although mega evolution is the biggest gimmick, the game barely used it lol, they even give you a broken lucario that pretty much can beat everyone... heck i keep my lucario in elite four and only use my mega lucario to fight diantha mega gardevoir and still won

[@elementalheroneos2757]

Yohanes Bobby Sanjaya well not only that the experience share is broken as hell

[@PinkGoldAbby]

@@elementalheroneos2757 Just turn it off dude

[@CinmnTstCrnchChrros]

*cracks knuckles* it was a good game...

[@cassidydraper5447]

would love to see a weighted average of their base stats multiplied by frequency in game, but obviously this would be very hard due to the variations in frequency between routes/ games

[@keewardgamingvods]

I actually agree with this system, and with most of the filters. Let me explain: Base Stat Total is the only objective measurement of quality we possess in Pokemon. While it's true that otherfactors, like Abilities, Typing, and Movesets exist which can negate the disadvantage of a low BST, and a high BST Pokemon can suffer more that a low BST for similar reasons, none of that changes the fact that having more stat points is just objectively better than less, due to it increasing how high a Pokemon can take its individual stats witout guaranteeably sacrificing power in other areas. So, BST is the way to go, but what about the filters? I feel that removing alternate forms, but keeping regional variants was a good idea. RVs, as pointed out, are basically just new Pokemon that have the same names as old ones, so removing them just because of the latter is silly. However, alternate forms have the ability to both unfairly boost a region, but also to unfairly cripple it. If higher BST Pokemon receive multiple forms in a region - including Megas - this can potentially force the average higher without adding entirely new Pokemon, which is an unfair advantage over regions which don't do the same. In opposition, however, giving a lower BST Pokemon multiple forms could potentially force the average lower, effectively crippling the region's rank, without adding new Pokemon, which is unfair to the point of this rank, that being to compare the power of the individual Pokemon introduced, without having to do a case-by-case study that would take forever. So that's the first filter. I think cutting out Legendaries and all Legendary Sub-Types is also a good idea. Legendaris are almost universaly, if not actually universally, stronger than the average for non-Legendaries as a default, while at the same time being significantly more limited in usability than those non-Legendaries (Ls are more likely to be banned from various competitive tiers (some sub-types are banned by default), and only 1 of each L can appear in each save, so the number you'll aquire of an L vs a non-L of relatively equivalent power is significantly fewer). This, in essence, gives regions with more an unfair boost, so cut that. Finally, I also agree with cutting out all non-fully-evolved Pokemon from a gen, keeping only those that were fully evolved when they were releaased (Golbat for Gen 1, Misdreavous for Gen 2, etc), because, as pointed out, non-FE Pokemon aren't really all that important to a playthrough. Unless you're doing a challenge that specifically requires you use a non-FE, chances are you'll either evolve it to full, or not use it. The only exceptions are very specific instances in competitive play, and don't change the point that while they will be willing to use an non-FE temporarily in their playthrough, the average player only cares about the final forms. Plus, this also unfairly disadvantages regions that did include lots of strong Pokemon, but also happened to include lots of weaker, non-FE ones as well, such as baby Pokemon. So cutting non-FEs is the way. However, I heavily disagree with the final filter Mikey applied, that being to remove new evolutions for old lines. The reason I disagree is because, while it is true that a new evolution would be expected to have higher stats, it's also true that there is nothing that really makes it different to a brand new Pokemon that shares the same BST besides its connection to an old line. It is, in essence, a new Pokemon for that region, so to ban it simply because it has a connection to an old line, means doing the same to regional variants. After all, an RV of a Pokemon whose FE has a high BST would naturally also have an FE with a high BST, so why aren't we banning them? Because RVs are effectively just new Pokemon that share a name with an old one. So too, are new evolutions effectively just new Pokemon that happen to share a design theme with an old one. As such, I would use the second to last list given, as it seems, to me, the most objctively accurate list given thus far. This list - with averages rounded to 1 decimal point - is: 1. Gen 6 (Kalos) - 497.9 2. Gen 4 (Sinnoh) - 495.6 3. Gen 8 (Galar) - 494.2 4. Gen 5 (Unova) - 492.8 5. Gen 1 (Kanto) - 476.7 6. Gen 7 (Alola) - 473.7 7. Gen 3 (Hoenn) - 461.6 8. Gen 2 (Johto) - 458.5

[@alessiodaniotti264]

I agree with you in every single word

[@gh0st_179]

Holy.. you actually wrote a full a** novel..

[@ZSam0420]

were you not bored at least halfway through?

[@nez123.]

Bro you write Biblie

[@cbellostudios6386]

I only disagree with the removing non fully evolved because they are all still a major part of the region. Plus they all lower the average in some way because they are inherently weaker Pokémon so removing them just feels like taking out a big chunk of the game

[@MeboDotExe]

“But I still wasn’t happy with these results. You see, some generations have pokemon. This gives them an unfair advantage, so I will be removing all pokemon from the spreadsheet. This shook up the rankings quite a bit, now they are all tied for 0 points. This is just under the base stat total of Wishiwashi non-school form. This is also now comeletely fair, and at last, I was happy with the results.

[@alphasapharius925]

“But I still wasn’t happy…” Everyone watching: 0_o

[@Lokear]

@@alphasapharius925 "So I removed the generations themselves. From existence. GAMEFREAK now has to start over completely."

[@alphasapharius925]

@@Lokear “but I still wasn’t happy…” WHAT WILL SATURATE YOUR DESIRE FOR PERFECTION?!

[@Lokear]

@@alphasapharius925 Nothing. By which I mean, nothing left in the universe. He has to remove everything.

[@gh0st_179]

I’m laughing my a** off reading this-

[@amandapappas7932]

"This is a completely fair tier list" Gen 8: am i a joke to you?

[@tedscheett9420]

Believe me buckaroo. If, by the logic of the end of the video, SLAKING is the strongest Pokemon, there is DEFINITELY something wrong.

[@valkner4091]

Thanosed pokemon: "*allow us to introduce ourselves*"

[@tedscheett9420]

@paula Non-mega as well. And non-evolved in a later generation. Look, all I'm saying is the logic is skewed so ridiculously much that Slaking is highest on the rung. I am aware it is an average. I'm not stupid. If you base strength off of base stat total alone, then why is Slaking PU and Azumarril is OU? Multiple factors. Not just one.

[@dizzytea4247]

@@tedscheett9420 yeah but those other factors are mostly subjective. like Mike said at the beginning, basing the rankings off total stat averages is just the most objective way to do it.

[@evostage666]

“I’m surprised that Gen 6 did so well after I got rid of everything that made the previous #1 well #1”

[@japanpanda2179]

They didn't though - gen 4 still has the cross generational evolutions like Togekiss and Magnezone. I am not sure what Kalos has, since megas are not counted. It has Goodra, Noivern... what other good Kalos mons even are there?

[@wasd5496]

@@japanpanda2179 I think Kalos placing so high is probably because of the tiny pokedex amount. For example, there isn't any fully evolved fish pokemon with bad stats like luvdisc - I'm quite sure the lowest base stat pokemon on Kalos is Vivillion at 411, then Diggsby at 423 and Dedenne around 430. After this all fully evolved pokemon have above 450 base stats Its not strong pokemon but rather the lack of weak pokemon if that makes sense

[@japanpanda2179]

@@wasd5496 That makes perfect sense actually, Kalos must have just used the weak early-game Pokemon from previous regions so it could focus on the actual good Pokémon and mega evolutions.

[@birdofpassage9875]

I think doing a median would make for a more compelling argument than average as it takes a better picture of what a belcurve pokemon within a generation looks like. My guess is that it would favor later generations even more but I think it would paint a better picture of the stat points of each of the generations. I honestly like the older generations in spite of their weakness because it means thinking more strategically like a game of chess rather than simply wiping the opponent with super powerful pokemon. I always found it exceptionally satisfying that I could capture a weird assortment that manages to cripple a team that is 10 lvls higher and type advantaged with an interesting, bizzare sometimes, assortment of moves. Personal ranking of the first 3 gens would be 2, 1, 3 because 2nd came out with some of the most fascinating moves like pain split and nightmare and eccentric guys like Noctowl. 3rd generation had those like Kecleon or Sableye but I felt like the game was getting a little more power based and focused a little more on the starters. The 1st gen was definitely more fun scaled than 3rd imo because you could easily swap the teams including the starter, around and mix-and-match with any style, box them for whatever period and maybe take out later.

[@ericlee2433]

"But I still wasn't satisfied because this method favors generations with stronger Pokemon-"

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

Yeah, but more importantly though, it favoured generations with numbers smaller than 6, bigger than 3, and were multiples of 2.

[@alexwarwick4367]

So I removed every pokemon found in Sinnoh and... wow would you look at that, Gen 4 has an average BST of 0 so it is the weakest Gen and that is final.

[@umashukla816]

@@Chrischi3TutorialLPs gen 4 had strong Pokemon that's why it was 1st

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

@@umashukla816 Well yeah, that kind of was the point of his metric. Then he kept adjusting it to make Gen4 not be number 1 because the metric he devised to measure the gen with the strongest Pokemon favoured Gens with stronger Pokemon.

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

@@umashukla816 Well yeah, that was kind of the idea. To find the strongest gen. Then he kept making cuts that gen4 the hardest until it wasnt first place.

[@downhill18]

Arceus: My creation is perfect. After the trimming Arceus: Giratina! I have job for you. Giratina: Already on it 😈

[@RemaiFaint]

This comment needs more likes XD

[@elementalheroneos2757]

Poor mike

[@nengyang9618]

The main character: OH COME ON!

[@azure_penguin5160]

Can somebody tell me who Arceus is?

[@nengyang9618]

@@azure_penguin5160 bruh he's the god of Pokémon idiot

[@Emmetlovesredvelvet13]

Lol I like how he kept cutting so gen 3 his favorite gen wasnt the weakest

[@kaq466]

You forgot one more trimming mickey- Removing every pokemon from gen 4.

[@jaybirdflyin]

Nobody: Michael: invents ranking system for gens and tinkers with it until gen 4 isn't on top and gen 3 isn't on bottom.

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

"Next, i am gonna cut all Pokemon that were introduced in a generation divisible by 4 but not 8, because screw those numbers, what do they think they are?" As we can see now, Gen 4 takes a massive hit, landing on the bottom of the list now."

[@danieljones535]

🤣🤣🤣

[@danieljones535]

This whole time it felt like he was trying to find ways to bring gen 4 down

[@strigijoe8685]

This is hilarious

[@SM-be5dh]

Removing prevos and legendaries makes sense tho? The only one that's weird is new evolutions. But they're basically buffs to already strong moons instead of new ones.

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

@@SM-be5dh Its just that all the cuts feel like theyre specifically aimed at Gen4.

[@prm1932]

I feel like one metric Mikey didn't consider is the strength of the entire regional dex of a gen. But that would be ranking the Pokemon of various regions over the mons introduced in each gen but I think that would still be an interesting piece of info.

[@owenaspinall2046]

This is what I was thinking, showing how strong the actually available pokemon you can get in each gen are.

[@loser277]

"He will never be satisfied." -Angelica Schuyler

[@strigijoe8685]

Gen 4: *has strong Pokémon* Michael: So you have chosen death

[@ShoumikMajumdar]

Basically Micheal just wanted Generation 4 to lose....

[@Martin724K]

Michael: Hoenn is at the lower side Also Michael: find a new method to make Hoenn better

[@gh0st_179]

The video title quite literally says “Which Region Has the Strongest Pokémon?” Therefore he’s talking about all the Pokémon in those regions. I understand getting rid of other forms, but removing the legendaries, and then going as far as bumping Gen 4 out of first doesn’t make much sense, he’s talking about the Pokémon in that region so even if there’s 20+ legendaries, they’re STILL from that region regardless and therefore should be counted, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense.

[@doctorxawesomestop-motion1234]

Gen 4 is strong because of new evolutions Mikey: let’s just trim those down...

[@JamesBond00797]

Gen 4 wins all but the last 2, which had to trim a hella amount: "Gen 6 is the strongest".

[@PinkGoldAbby]

Okay Sinnoh Baby

[@cryopex9976]

Partymangle 2018 i want you to stfu.

[@JamesBond00797]

@@PinkGoldAbby Except if you actually watch the video, its true.

[@SM-be5dh]

@@JamesBond00797 Except trimming prevos is fair and new evolutions are fine too because it affected other gens too. Also gen 4 didn't add very many new pokemon.

[@JamesBond00797]

@@SM-be5dh Except Sinnoh added more than johto, kalos, alola, and galar, so that point's invalid. And, other regions had the whole form thing to fill it out, like alola forms and galar forms (I know they dont count toward the pokedex, except for a few, like runerigus, and perserker, but they wouldnt need them if they had more pokemon to begin with. Yes that point is countered by sinnoh having legacy evolutions, but even johto was guilty of that with politoed, blissey and crobat to name a few.)

[@jeffreybarker2911]

This was so cool to watch I wondered about this but the work to out in I just couldn't do you are awesome man

[@jamesbennett5251]

why not use median to remove the effect of the legendries as they still exist however they are outliers so using median would be fairer then the mean (average).

[@painvillegaming4119]

Too long

[@strugglingvgcplayer9120]

“i continue to come up with new parameters until gen 4 isn’t number 1”

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

Also like, gotta love how he adds a parameter because "This system favours generations with strong Pokemon" when trying to find what gen has the strongest Pokemon.

[@trent800]

it was even worse for alola they dropped ahuge amount when they lost legendaries

[@StevenTLawson]

Trent dropping legendaries makes sense, since newer games put more in because it makes players feel good about having strong Pokémon, where as Gen 1 had 4 legendaries suddenly you have gen 7 with what did he say 26? Further it makes sense to drop anything that’s not a fully evolved Pokémon since larger dex regions with a ton of new Pokémon are gimping themselves over regions line Sinnoh that was able to just add in final evolutions to other generations Pokémon which just boosted them for the reason of being a later game when in universe a Kanto onyx would still evolve to steelix and a Johto eevee can still evolve into Sylveon. After that dropping newer forms stripped that additional power from gens riding previous coattails and only counted BRAND NEW Pokémon introduced into that generation and not just a new evolution.

[@kombokhan]

Lol it's ok. Real ones know gen 4 is the GOAT

[@ashen0306]

Honestly yall sound like incredibly butthurt retarded fanboys who got upset cos their favorite POKEMON generation wasnt the fIrST plAcE on a fucking spreadsheet lol

[@escapistvibrations9374]

*Alternate forms get taken out* *Legendaries get taken out* *NFEs get taken out* *Cross-gen evos get taken out* Shedinja: 👁👄👁

[@TheOnilink1230]

I feel like you should average duplicate forms instead of removing them excluding certain specific cases ie you should remove kyurem black and white. And I think you should separate out the out the regular from the legendary and mythical tally them separately which should help prevent a region having more legendaries from being more important than the average strength of the legends each region has. Still put more weight on regular pokemon, also you should separate the regular pokemon into fully evolved, partially evolved and unevolved (single evos should be in fully evolved category and 2 stage should have its 2nd stage be in fully evolved category and 1st stage in the unevolved catagory)(a case could be made to place single stage evolved pokemon in the partially column). then you should add up full evos average counting 4-5 times, partial evos counting 1-2 times, unevos counting 1 time, and legends counting 1 time, then averaging those totals(play around with the number of "times" each grouping gets counted to your hearts content) and then post the results! Your results in my opinion are more like a how competitively viable is each region not how strong is a each region, which isn't a bad thing it just seems more meta than a person who is living in the pokemon world would come up with.

[@seanleapley5870]

I had been wondering about this for a while now, and he followed my exact line of thinking. Thank you for the video.

[@Shady-up5cz]

It has to be gen 4 because they literally have god the Pokémon in it

[@Twinklethefox9022]

Yeah. Arceus

[@asgardianprotector6917]

@@Twinklethefox9022 along with Palkia, and dialga.

[@luciferlucy9066]

UmbreonTwinkle really, I thought it was Charmander.

[@davinurfer183]

oh I thought we were talking about bidoof

[@Yolo-pj6xf]

@@Twinklethefox9022 no its arcoose

[@Shari362]

Alternative title: How can I make Gen 4 look worse"?

[@chendror872]

Gen 4 is still awesome

[@Void_Echoes]

Slateer The whole reason I’m a pokemon fan is because I grew up with the gen 4 games. This video just insults me.

[@what.380]

I grew with kan to and alola I tho y was better than x but the typing for x tho...

[@kingdinodragonite3470]

Gen 4 bandwagons back at it

[@connaeris8230]

While I agree with you up to the second to last ranking, I think the only new evolutions that should not be included are the Platinum expansion ones. Pokemon like Crobat and Roserade are too integral to their debut games to be excluded, in my opinion. Also, even if they had never existed, they would probably have introduced new pokemon with similar power and typing to fill in their roles.

[@newlegacyproductions1725]

Really great video, it’s cool that you applied quantitative reasoning and critical thinking to Pokémon. You should do more videos like this

[@shortsthelizard8873]

Michael: I started out with a full garden of Pokémon Michael at the end of the video: I used my trimming skills and killed it all.

[@hairyviking6047]

Gotta kill em aaaaallll

[@MoneyMaye]

Rarest things in Pokémon: Master Balls Legendary’s shiny legendary’s shiny Pokémon shiny g max Pokémon Martins Solrock using a attacking move

[@w4tchdogg]

Exactly!

[@Ari-moth]

Relatable

[@reecewest9495]

Use taunt on it

[@larrydaberry8717]

Wow never seen this joke Haha well done

[@moustachebunny685]

I saw him attack yesterday twice

[@evantiel727]

I love how gen 5 is always at the middle... just makes me lve it even more :3

[@jjc4924]

The most balanced out of the series and that is one of the reasons why it's my favorite gen.

[@flamehunter001]

Hey Michael, since both DLCs weren't prior to this video, will you do an update with all the new Pokémon or you think there isn't much of a difference?

[@milescottrell4248]

Boy you really did everything in your power to take gen 4 off the top spot

[@ShadowPredator]

I have only one word for the high average base stats of gen 6: aegislash.

[@CyberXrossEntity]

Nah that balanced by the terrible speed and attack/defence based on mode

[@CallumTheCalamity]

Goodra and Aegislash are probably the carriers

[@Dragonstorm1234]

Aegislash only has a bst of 500

[@CallumTheCalamity]

@@Dragonstorm1234 oh really nvm

[@johnwest6690]

@@CallumTheCalamity But gen 3 has 2 pseudo legendaries

[@masmcv548]

I’m surprised Gen 5 wasn’t higher throughout, considering it was a reboot of the main series games.

[@SteamedCraw]

It’s most likely that the low star Pokémon balanced it out

[@jamesmambella9143]

The new evolutions should have been included, as they are unique to that region. If you do not want to include them, the region variants should not be included for the same logic

[@dylanthegreat2434]

I was rooting for Gen 4 that’s my favorite generation

[@thedonniechannel6314]

sameee I love gen 4

[@jojisapperentice7131]

Yep that's my favorite gen too

[@tedwhite9176]

I was going for gen6 cause I love that gen even though I knew it wouldn't win

[@ianfleischman82]

Same here man.

[@wumpuswoo9946]

It’s just fact that Gen 4 is the best

[@Insomnia359]

"I still wasn't happy with this because gen 3 was last" Michael 2020

[@nik3646]

I feel that to…

[@nik3646]

In 2021

[@nettieklok5952]

@@nik3646 no 2020 cuz this was made is March 2020

[@aaravdiwakaristhebest]

6:09 I think this is the most accurate and proper ranking

[@Steely378]

Sinnoh just sitting there having millions of legendarys

[@shaneharris1951]

Generation 4: gets the recognition it deserves for being such a cool region Michael: Hold my beer

[@IPOFocus]

You should have said Hold my treecko

[@VideoGamesAndChill]

Congrats you’ve officially triggered every single person wanting a Gen 4 Remake this year 😂

[@thatonemcdonaldsemployee3506]

Honestly im still waiting on the gen 6 remakes.

[@hystericallover5989]

@@thatonemcdonaldsemployee3506 can't go from a gen 1 remake to a gen 6 remake

[@fusedbrololy8672]

@@hystericallover5989 okay but gen3 to gen 7 is okay?

[@grid7779]

MO

[@coffeeaddict4451]

lol

[@RedEyesTops]

I count regional variants as separate Pokémon too, they're completely different than the originals more often than not and I think they should be their own entry in the Pokédex imo. The way it is makes it hard to keep track of a Poké-card-dex. Personally, I'd go with all fully evolved ánd legendary Pokémon because you can use them in the games. I'd exclude mega Pokémon though, because they're just temporary digivolutions

[@scubasteevo7013]

When the last cut was applied. Gen 4: *Sweats profusely*

[@TheGeekSensei]

Me, a Gen 4 fan: Wooooo! Gen 4 is the strongest region of all time! :D Me, after seeing the trimming: I smell potential bias running through here...

[@ZarChasmOfficial]

Might be because Mikey hates Empoleon

[@RpgJas]

And because gen 3 is at the lowest

[@Miss_Enigma]

Me: I’m gonna study today. MandJTV: *uploads* Me: Homework can wait. Pokémon content can’t. 💙💛

[@dedbeatztheredninja54]

True

[@shauryaswaraj]

Little Williams true af

[@nosferatu2613]

Little Williams bro how is your school not cancelled

[@dedbeatztheredninja54]

Mine is but I'm in ireland also happy as ST. Patrick's day

[@Miss_Enigma]

Animon Ace my school *is* cancelled lol

[@yoshimansxl]

Rather than removing categories another way to control sample bias is by adding population weights to account for the impact of legendaries, baby pokemon, new evolutions etc.

[@LikanMX]

I thought with all the trimmings he would start trimming “let’s exclude Pokémon who start with P”

[@zerkvoltago]

MandJTV- "There's no way I could go through every pokemon and give it a ranking based on competitive or playthrough viability" Smogon- "lol"

[@bloemkoolendestreetgang450]

The problem you run into with that is current meta

[@qty1315]

You do know that Smogon doesn't literally rank every Pokemon anymore, right? A number of entries are actually left completely blank. There's just too many Pokemon now, I guess, and some just aren't worth writing about.

[@ryzoroaklr9274]

Michael: "I think its unfair to give buffs to Pokemon that were weak" Me: maybe Michael just doesn't like gen 4 because...idk

[@GamingWithCalvin1]

no he does... he did his first nuzlocke there, and his first unique pokemon challenge

[@SM-be5dh]

@@GamingWithCalvin1 "doesn't" right?

[@RFDN0]

Honestly some of the triming was valid. Most of the hits were valid for gen 4 play thoughts in diamond and pearl. In those two games you realistically couldn't get the legends, or new evolutions until after the pokemon league if at all.

[@priyanshudebnath900]

Gen 4 is my favourite region and trimming legendaries is fair but trimming new evolutions is unfair and he hates gen 4 because of his nuzlocke

[@endslayer5133]

Michael: “so gen 4 is good let’s make it bad”

[@Brook.T.A]

Homie spent the whole vid attacking gen 4, I am displeased

[@CharlCharl_]

This is one of my favourite of your videos. You should make more statistics-type videos. Like how about something like this but instead of regions, they are types?

[@dynamicdingo1202]

Mikey:I hypothosized that gen two has the weakest pokemon Typhlosion is getting hot headed Feraligatr feels crying a river Megainium is going to need some aromatherapy

[@trishbhatia0]

Tyranitar - helo

[@Cableguy15]

@Samadhan Jain Misdreavus was actually considered good back in gen 2, but not due to its stats. To this day, Delibird and Dunsparce may be the single most useless pokemon besides luvdisc though. lol Gen 2 is my favorite, but I don't know what they were thinking with some of the new pokemon's stats. You'd think by giving a pokemon its own specific location on the map and lore that Unown would actually be good, but it's pathetically bad!

[@EmilyCheetham]

I knew there was a reason gen 4 was my favourite. One of the strongest (or strongest before cuts) + I love the look of all 3 starters.

[@cactuscore3093]

If I had to change one thing, I would group the alternate forms together by finding the average of all the forms for one Pokémon.

[@nirtnalym4731]

I can imagine him in the middle of the night charting this and halfway through one realizing something and starting over

[@doc-t-8648]

"so my next trim i just took gen 4 completely out of the entire spread sheet and oh wow look now they arent number 1."

[@franciscocruzthenext-genga6802]

I just realized that you only made this video only to deny Sinnoh Remakes.

[@asclepiusletsplay1573]

Can we take a minute to acknowledge that gen 2 was supposed to be the final game, and was created mostly with the intention of show casing the end of Red’s (the player’s) journey within the last game. It also prompted you to utilize the ‘old favorites’ while other generations didn’t force you to reuse past generations of Pokémon.

[@ars.superstar]

michael is that kid that got out in tag and started screaming “no that doesn’t count guys i’m still in he only touched my shirt”

[@yta5234]

The first half of the video: "Gen 4 is always on top." Mikey: "But i'm still not satisfied", *Process until Gen 4 is dethroned" Mikey: "I'm satisfied with this system now" LOL 😂😂😂

[@ONeill1421]

That’s exactly what happened

[@christianfriedel5560]

Me, a Gen 2 Fan: "Look how they massacred my boy!"

[@oshawottenjoyer]

Me a gen 4 fan looking at the last 2 cuts: look at how they massacred my boy

[@moonguardians4189]

Ethan Renick Exactly

[@tedscheett9420]

@@oshawottenjoyer More like, Gen 4: First Time?

[@TechDog11]

A soon as he said at the beginning of the vid. about gen 2 I was like nope don’t you talk bad about my gen., but at the end of the video I understood but still then gen 2 is the best but that my opinion.

[@octopus1992mv]

my feralgatr and kingdra both feel personally attacked

[@frostfire6347]

Poor mewtwo literally carrying the weight of whole Gen1 before legendaries were removed.

[@ferrox1511]

mythicals were also poofed

[@David-xf8zl]

Gen 4 is my favorite for many reasons. Including the amazing new evolutions to those Gen 1/2 Pokémon. Lol funny to see him work so hard to strike it down

[@Ivannxnja]

LOOOOL he really didn’t want gen 4 to be number 1 “gen 4 has finally lost the top” I can hear the bias so easily lmaooo

[@kardam9834]

He's a gen 3 guy (like me) and kept gen 3 almost the lowest

[@iandean1112]

I love that Gen 5 always runs in the middle. That makes sense because they added SO MANY new pokemon, and they balanced it quite well. Most if not all of them are viable to be used in the main story.

[@jamesurbanic1431]

Thank you. Someone finally noticed

[@Genshinlmao123]

Gen 5 is my favorite region :)

[@jjc4924]

It's one of the reasons why it's my favorite gen. Not too weakling. But not too overpowered ones.

[@skunkosourous8523]

Gen 2 is still my favorite generation. For one I grew up on it, but I also believe it's such a good follow up to Gen 1. The game is made complete with it's pair, and I think that's awesome!

[@nate9962]

Mikey after the next trim: now I’ll be removing all Pokémon from the spreadsheet

[@Crittertoons56]

Oh, I thought this was a Pokemon meme review

[@kingsten100]

Meme reviews have their name in the title

[@mitsuwaltz]

The thumbnail looks like a pokemon meme review thumbnail.

[@quieness]

@Vacant Lot Why read the damn title?

[@InfiniteAura]

When you click soo fast that KZbin can’t give you the video properly

[@chrisbarone515]

Does any one know what happened to Pokemon talk?

[@elianewinter2638]

@Chris Barone At some point, PT was taking a toll on Michael hence it got put on a temporary hiatus. (Sry my english is poor, you may want to check his community post or twitter for best explanation)

[@nathanfortun5768]

So technically gen 4 is the strongest gen since it was number 1 the most on those lists. Not to mention having the hardest champion in a Pokémon game.

[@elsupertrone5181]

You should have averaged the battle impacting forms so that they’re more representative of that species. And then used that mean in the generation average so that it only goes once into the generation average