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@InevitableVitare
@InevitableVitare 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous, in Legends at least, was a monster. In fact, as military leadership goes I'd put him second only to Thrawn in the Star Wars universe. There's a reason why his death was necessary to end the Clone Wars. If Palpatine had tried to end the CIS with him still there it simply wouldn't have worked.
@Bryan-dr5qy
@Bryan-dr5qy 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous in Canon is no joke too, he's just more opportunistic and in line with the movies. He is at his best when he can outlast, outnumber, and emotionally manipulate his opponents. Where subtlety was lost he made up for with ruthlessness, though the lack of subtlety did mean that he could be thwarted by opponents who knew how to restrain themselves in the right ways. He managed to beat Obi-Wan and destroy his ship, Depa Bilaba and her troops, he even managed to take over Dathomir and on another occasion beat Maul's forces.
@axelstrongbow4719
@axelstrongbow4719 6 жыл бұрын
Well, mabye at your list you can add Jedi knight revan, no one can beat him
@kingsadvisor18
@kingsadvisor18 6 жыл бұрын
Now I wanna see a conversation between Thrawn and Grievous
@Howtodraw-js2sb
@Howtodraw-js2sb 5 жыл бұрын
I'd actually rank Grievous above Thrawn for military, the legends descriptions of him indicate he's the best tactical genius like ever. And Thrawn was glorified for being ruthless when general Grievous was far more ruthless than Thrawn ever was, he launched a (short lived but) successful raid in to the heart of the republic and captured the Chancellor, that's like Russia marching into DC and taking Donald Trump only to be defeated by an army of Navy seals half way to England. In fact he lead the successful ground assault to capture the Chancellor. He could analyze all advantages and disadvantages with no mercy, making him a lot better than Thrawn, I'd love to see a grievous stand alone film
@kingsadvisor18
@kingsadvisor18 5 жыл бұрын
@@Howtodraw-js2sb honestly, yeah. I think after the current trend of Star Wars fades away into obscurity and other people get a shot in make SW content then a whole Clone Wars trilogy or Republic Commando trilogy is justified. Grievious being the main antagonist with Duku and Palpatine in the shadows
@matthew____879
@matthew____879 6 жыл бұрын
A super tactical droid would be a better general than Hux, even Jar Jar was a more successful general than Hux
@adambielen8996
@adambielen8996 6 жыл бұрын
It is so sad that that statement is true.
@legostarwarsfan1662
@legostarwarsfan1662 6 жыл бұрын
True. Hux always loses, but in the clone wars, jar jar being completely useless resulted in victory for the republic at least twice. Hux is a politician trying to be a general.
@jordanmanley9172
@jordanmanley9172 6 жыл бұрын
Well, he was the true sith lord, after all...
@kalbonation2308
@kalbonation2308 6 жыл бұрын
Hux is just a kid trying to be naziwannabe
@bouncin2207
@bouncin2207 6 жыл бұрын
Okay but super tactical droids were no joke, those guys knew their shit.
@jacekatzung7499
@jacekatzung7499 6 жыл бұрын
Hux would lose a by a large margin to a super tactical droid
@hafor2846
@hafor2846 6 жыл бұрын
Hux would loose to C3PO commanding an army of Jar Jar clones.
@joepolitics1218
@joepolitics1218 6 жыл бұрын
Hux would lose to Jar Jar commanding an army of Mynoks
@George-Hawthorne
@George-Hawthorne 6 жыл бұрын
Hux would lose to the empire's most incompetent officers
@benwarman5202
@benwarman5202 6 жыл бұрын
CM - 22 - 5133 hux would lose to the low ground
@JohnDoe-zd4rl
@JohnDoe-zd4rl 6 жыл бұрын
CM - 22 - 5133 hux would lose to a Mynock commanding the low ground
@stephenlutz6936
@stephenlutz6936 6 жыл бұрын
Is Hux just on here as a joke or are we being serious.
@fizzlewick
@fizzlewick 6 жыл бұрын
Just as in the movies, he's just a joke
@falloutmcgee6948
@falloutmcgee6948 6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Lutz I am not sure neither, I want to believe that the first order are much more competent than the empire, in there troops, vehicles and tactics. After the events and battles of the rebellion vs empire, they would be seeing what the empire did wrong and improving; which makes sense. However it really grinds my gears of not knowing if the first order and general Hux really are incompetent or is the cause of bad writing. I don’t know, just hope it gets better.
@stephenlutz6936
@stephenlutz6936 6 жыл бұрын
@gLeE TrOopeR 59 The only person who seemed competent for the First Order was the captain of the dreadnaught. He seemed like a seasoned veteran that actually knew what he was doing, but we all know what happened with him sadly. I would rather take him over Hux in a heartbeat.
@potatomancer4316
@potatomancer4316 6 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely bad writing. The “good” guys always have to win apparently. The first order is superior in every way but of course they make it seem like their tactics are constructed by chimps. That’s why episode 3 is my favorite, it’s the only one where the “good” guy doesn’t win.
@douwetendam5097
@douwetendam5097 6 жыл бұрын
I dont see why he would be in this list either, while the republic had some great generals to, general hux doesnt really seem to know what he is doing and is way to influensed by his emotions, wich is some thing a great leader should be able to put aside and stay professional.
@ESFNinja
@ESFNinja 6 жыл бұрын
"General Kenobi! You are a bold one!"
@voughklry8362
@voughklry8362 6 жыл бұрын
@@BATTB_ General kenobi
@Gameguy-gk8lx
@Gameguy-gk8lx 6 жыл бұрын
The folafal Waffle You are a bold one.
@HalfDemonInuyasha
@HalfDemonInuyasha 6 жыл бұрын
"You must realize YOU, ARE. DOOMED!"
@smc0718
@smc0718 6 жыл бұрын
"I've got a BAD FEELING about this!"
@insertmemorableusernameher6795
@insertmemorableusernameher6795 6 жыл бұрын
@@Gameguy-gk8lx Back away. I will deal with this jedi slime myself
@HalfDemonInuyasha
@HalfDemonInuyasha 6 жыл бұрын
I still love watching Grievous and the Droids owning the Nightsisters on Dathomir in The Clone Wars. Such a dark but epic battle with him just pretty much walking through everyone in his way.
@reagangaitens7154
@reagangaitens7154 6 жыл бұрын
Aka the only time he was cool in that show, loved that episode!
@thezantgeneral677
@thezantgeneral677 6 жыл бұрын
That’s nothing compared to what he does in the miniseries!
@TempestGhost
@TempestGhost 6 жыл бұрын
That proves he can get his hands dirty while not hiding in a giant Battle machine.
@HalfDemonInuyasha
@HalfDemonInuyasha 6 жыл бұрын
@The Zant General Yeah, I also loved watching him own all those Jedi in the first cartoon.
@zaya5360
@zaya5360 5 жыл бұрын
He was badass untill he needed his droids to save his ass when he was about to be killed by Ventress
@samdale3937
@samdale3937 6 жыл бұрын
General veers was such a boss in empire at war and in episode 5.
@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773
@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 6 жыл бұрын
Ikr!!! :)
@bluerobin2982
@bluerobin2982 6 жыл бұрын
Yooossss
@NigelBlitz213
@NigelBlitz213 6 жыл бұрын
heck yeah he is
@legostarwarsfan1662
@legostarwarsfan1662 6 жыл бұрын
Underrated moviewise, but a true genius.
@arfcaptainvoid1188
@arfcaptainvoid1188 6 жыл бұрын
@@legostarwarsfan1662 I'm just apologizing for earlier, I just don't like my characters to be killed off so easily
@aperson8473
@aperson8473 4 жыл бұрын
Hux: *Has character potential* The Last Jedi: *I'm about to end this man's whole career*
@handleonafridge6828
@handleonafridge6828 4 жыл бұрын
I wanted space hitler damnit
@okays434
@okays434 2 жыл бұрын
blew up 4 planet at once, he could have been a great villian smh
@Prophetofthe8thLegion
@Prophetofthe8thLegion Жыл бұрын
@@handleonafridge6828 watching that speech in German was hilarious
@garyterry5876
@garyterry5876 6 жыл бұрын
I think you were unfair to General Grievous. You left out his former life as a Kalish warlord where he was nothing short of masterful in his use of tactics and strategy. It could be argued that they're two separate beings, but I'd argue that it's more akin to someone growing older and/or changing command styles as well as what he had at his disposal. The base commander is still there -- his brain is still largely the same, but he became more ruthless (and, admittedly, reckless) and better at calculation and personal command, i.e. leading from the front (which is saying something, considering his already fantastic personal combat skills as his fully-organic self). General Grievous should've gotten first on this ranking. He was much better a warrior than any of the other generals and he was the only general to master or become proficient at every single form of warfare, even if he wasn't quite as good in the specifics as General Veers or General Madine.
@robertwadsworth3411
@robertwadsworth3411 6 жыл бұрын
All true and I love Grievous personally but you do have to take into account that he did lose major objectives like the battle for Bothawui. Now I'm not saying this to discredit him it's just that he did lose so while if it was just general Veers in command of the entire imperial military vs. Grievous with the entire droid army than yes I'd give it to Grievous but this is for land based generals so Veers with that being his specialty combined with earning his position through sheer skill does make him better as a purely land based general sorry.
@o00nemesis00o
@o00nemesis00o 6 жыл бұрын
He can't win cos he dies on screen
@coryseavers2932
@coryseavers2932 6 жыл бұрын
Either way u cant argue that he isnt a really good general he did come somewhat close to taking over kamino even if it was a loss
@TempestGhost
@TempestGhost 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. At least he has a backstory.
@bummknallpeng4294
@bummknallpeng4294 6 жыл бұрын
I think the fact that Grievous got as far as he did with an army as crappy as that of the Seperatists is proof enough for his abilities. I'd even argue that the influence of Darth Sidious is what actually resulted in his defeat, but obviously that's just my personal opinion.
@sirripper4697
@sirripper4697 6 жыл бұрын
Who wins? A Kaleesh Warlord, capable of killing hundreds of highly trained force sensitive warriors. vs. Ewan McGregor with a blaster.
@aojpictures
@aojpictures 6 жыл бұрын
*Jesus with a blaster
@robertwadsworth3411
@robertwadsworth3411 6 жыл бұрын
I'm putting my money on the Kaleesh Warlord.
@yousephkarouni9540
@yousephkarouni9540 6 жыл бұрын
@@robertwadsworth3411 One uncivilized boi*
@robertwadsworth3411
@robertwadsworth3411 6 жыл бұрын
@@yousephkarouni9540 no I just like the Kaleesh more than the other guy
@rcraw6447
@rcraw6447 6 жыл бұрын
One uncivilized boi vs Jesus with a light pew pew
@tiefighter8401
@tiefighter8401 6 жыл бұрын
The ultimate battle of the three most badass generals of the movies! Oh and a General Hugs
@imppro
@imppro 6 жыл бұрын
Lol "hugs"
@squarek123
@squarek123 6 жыл бұрын
Hello there
@user-Jay178
@user-Jay178 6 жыл бұрын
Lol
@germangamingvideos6069
@germangamingvideos6069 5 жыл бұрын
@@squarek123 General Kenobi
@zacharymohammadi
@zacharymohammadi 5 жыл бұрын
You are a bold one
@lordgong4980
@lordgong4980 6 жыл бұрын
Overlooked General Grievous's life before the Clone Wars. He did much more that needed looking at
@seamoose9948
@seamoose9948 5 жыл бұрын
Lord Gong they're looking at them as generals though
@staringgasmask
@staringgasmask Жыл бұрын
@@seamoose9948 he was a general of his people
@TheRealDoggoCEO
@TheRealDoggoCEO 6 жыл бұрын
*Definitely not someone from the First Order or the Resistance.*
@chris9206
@chris9206 6 жыл бұрын
Sadly they turned the First Order into a joke.
@AdamantLightLP
@AdamantLightLP 6 жыл бұрын
@@chris9206 Sadly the entire new trilogy is so far a joke.
@chris9206
@chris9206 6 жыл бұрын
Adamant This is true.
@robertwadsworth3411
@robertwadsworth3411 6 жыл бұрын
And yet I've somehow found myself in a debate if Hux is better than Grievous and while I'm getting nicked picked over every victory and failure Grievous made I've yet to see a time where Hux actually won not counting firing Starkiller as that wasn't a fight.
@deadshot-qz5rk
@deadshot-qz5rk 6 жыл бұрын
Hey leia is a good general you salty boy
@Speleomimus
@Speleomimus 6 жыл бұрын
PLEASE wax poetic about Bel-Iblis for ten minutes, he's deeply underappreciated for what he was in the EU
@crustypaladin
@crustypaladin 6 жыл бұрын
YES
@captainez4387
@captainez4387 6 жыл бұрын
Please do, he was one of my favorite characters in the Thrawn trilogy
@user-Jay178
@user-Jay178 6 жыл бұрын
Agree
@sirkingalot4187
@sirkingalot4187 6 жыл бұрын
I'd love that so much!!!
@maximumeffort7096
@maximumeffort7096 6 жыл бұрын
He was easy to kill in Empire at War.
@forrestpenrod2294
@forrestpenrod2294 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous. I don’t care how terribly TCW portrays him. RotS and other canon implies the separatists were winning the war.
@anthonyrodriguez8788
@anthonyrodriguez8788 6 жыл бұрын
Has Grievous ever been portrayed as brillant? We always hear about how smart he is but we have only ever seen how smart he is once when he captured Eeth Koth and used him as bait. But other than that in both Continuities he has always been a blunt tool.
@forrestpenrod2294
@forrestpenrod2294 6 жыл бұрын
Anthony Rodriguez to be fair though no one in the Clone Wars is a good tactician or strategist. The Jedi characters usually only succeed because they have the force. Arguably if the Seperatists were poised to win, which is stated by the Tactical Droid in Rebs, it would invariably be accredited to Grievous as the overall commander of the Droid Armies.
@anthonyrodriguez8788
@anthonyrodriguez8788 6 жыл бұрын
@@forrestpenrod2294 On that we both agree. If the C.I.S were left to their own devices they would have steamrolled the republic.
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi 6 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Not with Grievous's abilities as a general ( I think he was extremely effective and intelligent) but your statement about the Separatists winning the war. The kidnapping of Chancellor Palpatine was a desperate move. It indicates that the Separatists felt is the only way to win, making it extremely likely they going to lose the war if things continued normally. Also, there was frequent discussion by the Jedi about Palpatine giving up emergency powers after the end of the war. They would not have bothered talking about this unless they both (a) felt the war would end soon and (b) the Republic and position of Chancellor would still exist. In other words, the Jedi though the Republic would soon win.
@Chiakuu
@Chiakuu 6 жыл бұрын
Forrest Penrod There were amazing tacticians during the clone wars era - they just either got no screen time or made it out of legends into the new canon. Unfortunate.
@OceanHedgehog
@OceanHedgehog 6 жыл бұрын
I think you're giving Grievous too little credit (and again giving the Rebels too much). Before becoming a cyborg, Grievous led a war against the Hux so efficiently that the Jedi had to intervene out of concern that it could turn into a genocide. He's as skilled a tactician as Jango Fett was a warrior - hence being hand-picked by Dooku.
@Starfleet8555
@Starfleet8555 2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe he would be as good as Veers though.
@taytoni1372
@taytoni1372 2 жыл бұрын
@@Starfleet8555 he never said he was as good as Veers, he just said the Republic got to much credit
@henriksandstrom2161
@henriksandstrom2161 2 жыл бұрын
Nah grievous got a fair placement 😊
@arcanum3882
@arcanum3882 6 жыл бұрын
When your here early enough for the poll to say Grievous is 100% the best. The correct results, of course.
@Atriox2004
@Atriox2004 6 жыл бұрын
βΣΨΩΠD RΣΔSΩΠ no shit but Veers is my fav
@oom-3262
@oom-3262 5 жыл бұрын
You stand correct
@Atriox2004
@Atriox2004 5 жыл бұрын
@OOM- 32... you’re a droid yet you think Veers is better?
@casualtaco2154
@casualtaco2154 5 жыл бұрын
Veers being top: rational. Grievous being second: rational. Madine being third: rational. Hux being on this list: how to teleport into someone’s house and slap them.
@glados8653
@glados8653 4 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha my fellow soldiers (cough cough)
@wildwest8069
@wildwest8069 6 жыл бұрын
General Grievous had many years of experience as a Kaleesh warrior and leader of his kind, and I feel he would have been probably #1 if it was not for Palpatine pulling his strings, and at times sabotaging attempts to improve the general droid quality. Grievous was meant only to be a spectral monster to allow Palpatine to take more and more power, a dog muzzled. I think it is fortunate that he remained so, otherwise The Republic would be in a lot of trouble.
@robertwadsworth3411
@robertwadsworth3411 6 жыл бұрын
While his tactics lacked subtlety Grievous did know how to wage gorilla warfare and how to fight with limited supplies as he did that with the Kaleesh back when he was fully organic it's just between the things they did to his mind and the near endless supply of droids stuff like that wasn't needed most of the time. I personally think he could do just as well if he had a limited amount of good battle droids at his command and still be as successful if not more thanks to the lack of b1 stupidity than he already was. Just think if he had all the HK51 droids you see on the ship in Section X.
@basilharpham9372
@basilharpham9372 6 жыл бұрын
not to mention all he ha for soldiers where droids and the droids where utterly useless
@GabeNsApostle
@GabeNsApostle 6 жыл бұрын
Gorilla warfare?
@schlacked5447
@schlacked5447 6 жыл бұрын
@@GabeNsApostle I'm imagining an army of Harambes
@emperorxander666
@emperorxander666 6 жыл бұрын
he was only given what he needed to keep the war going if he wasn't being held back he would have won the war
@robertwadsworth3411
@robertwadsworth3411 6 жыл бұрын
@@GabeNsApostle when his home planet was being invaded he lead against them and nearly won till the invaders went to the Republic and made it look like the Kaleesh were in the wrong and started to starve them to death it's one of the main reasons he hates the Republic.
@CaptainM792
@CaptainM792 6 жыл бұрын
General Hux is the worst general of Star Wars.
@frostyoreo8657
@frostyoreo8657 6 жыл бұрын
Have you seen general hux. He is treated like a joke and has the worst tactics.
@deadshot-qz5rk
@deadshot-qz5rk 6 жыл бұрын
You forget general krel
@Bryan-dr5qy
@Bryan-dr5qy 6 жыл бұрын
@@frostyoreo8657 That's the point, it's meant to show how fragmented The First Order is, most of the new guys are not loyal and will backstab anyone, while the old Imperials like Canady are loyal and actually competent. Hux just got to where he was because of all the skeletons in his closet and because he pushed for technological advancement, which was what Snoke used him for.
@talesofluminFan
@talesofluminFan 6 жыл бұрын
General Hugs
@nicolas.p331
@nicolas.p331 6 жыл бұрын
@@deadshot-qz5rk Krel was one of the best general of the war, he wasn't very... Sane however.
@generalgrievous4341
@generalgrievous4341 6 жыл бұрын
(Grievous, I hope you realise, was able to not only unite the Kaleesh warlords under one army, which is godlike in itself, but take a relatively small army with real world technology at best, 1880s technology at worst, and defeat one of the largest empires in the galaxy, armed with blasters and the like. Veers had control of the largest army in the galaxy against a ragtag group of alien slaves and outer rim farmers and *still* lost? Remind me, now, who takes the number one spot.)
@James-pt2vk
@James-pt2vk 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah i get the impression eck ignored actual feats for this one because grievous dominates everyone on this list for that war alone and that was before enhancement. If veers was killed it wouldnt of been a crippling blow for the empire but if grievous was killed it would of changed the tide of the war
@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832
@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832 4 жыл бұрын
Mesa is the best. Grevius close second.
@courier5156
@courier5156 4 жыл бұрын
Thrawn wouldve been number 1 easy think about it in legends and disney canon thrawn 99% of the time wins battle after battle after battle through his genius mind and amazing strategies destroying one rebel cell after another besides vader thrawn had the most imperial victories on record (I think I havent checked in a while but come on thrawn is amazing and is obviously better than veers)
@OK-yy6qz
@OK-yy6qz 4 жыл бұрын
@@courier5156 Thrawn is an Admiral not a General
@lordbrain8867
@lordbrain8867 6 жыл бұрын
My favorite description of General Veers is Space Rommel
@Darksaviour
@Darksaviour 5 жыл бұрын
Robert Baratheon Thrawn I feel is space Rommel
@two5126
@two5126 5 жыл бұрын
Travis Illerbrun Rommel is a good general but not on the same level as thrawn imo
@thekillers1stfan
@thekillers1stfan 5 жыл бұрын
Rommel got beat down by Montgomery tho
@L.P.1987
@L.P.1987 4 жыл бұрын
Thrawn is Manstein.
@michaelterrell5061
@michaelterrell5061 3 жыл бұрын
@@two5126 That’s probability because Thrawn is an admiral.
@rustedgreatsword4902
@rustedgreatsword4902 6 жыл бұрын
The cgi clone wars show only shows him going against plot armor and bad writing, which was more dangerous than any jedi to a main villain. Legends shows him as a beast, and tactically he was mostly unrivaled. If we go by the new canon, thrawn is really incompetent compared to legends for the same reason, but we know different.
@patrickfrancis9245
@patrickfrancis9245 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed on canon Grievous but canon Thrawn is still good. Rebels does weaken him a bit but the canon Thrawn novels are the same Thrawn we always knew.
@rustedgreatsword4902
@rustedgreatsword4902 6 жыл бұрын
@@patrickfrancis9245 the comics are okay for both of them. But the shows are too scared to show them asnthey should be. Maybe with the last season and later media we can see them in all their glory.
@Bryan-dr5qy
@Bryan-dr5qy 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous in Canon is more consistent with the movies but he still has his achievements. He destroyed Obi-Wan's flagship, The Negotiator, he took over Dathomir, he decimated Depa Bilaba's forces with 90% casualties, he even managed to outnumber and outlast Maul's Mandalorian Army. Grievous is at his best when he can outlast, outnumber and emotionally manipulate his opponents, Nahdar Vebb being an example. It's just being so ruthless means he loses all subtlely, so the tides can turn against him when his opponents know how to restrain themselves. But if someone tries to meet Grievous head on with impulsiveness they're playing into his hands. He's opportunistic but still a proud warrior.
@harrysmith1711
@harrysmith1711 6 жыл бұрын
@@patrickfrancis9245 Agreed. In two whole seasons his only mistake was holding little regard for, and underestimating the power of the Force and the Jedi
@lillith3159
@lillith3159 6 жыл бұрын
And his obsession with Obi Wan.
@readable95
@readable95 6 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t grievous meant to be a good military leader before he got all robotified
@maxkaufmann833
@maxkaufmann833 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous was a Kaleesh warlord before his cybernetic changes due to Count Dooku. Grievous was very very skilled in Legends, Canon really dumbs him down.
@brucejedilee5290
@brucejedilee5290 6 жыл бұрын
Grevious, at least if we are going by legends. There are only a few characters who could beat him, in fact I can only think of two who could almost be guaranteed to do it and they are Revan and Thrawn.
@kenneth9452
@kenneth9452 6 жыл бұрын
Thrawn is best at space battles
@brucejedilee5290
@brucejedilee5290 6 жыл бұрын
@@kenneth9452 Actually he is a master when it comes to ground combat as well.
@fizzlewick
@fizzlewick 6 жыл бұрын
@@kenneth9452 thrawn could command anything. Give him a podracer, two banthas and 1 blaster rifle, and he conqers a planet with it...
@sbeveroni2048
@sbeveroni2048 6 жыл бұрын
@@fizzlewick I read bananas instead of banthas and you would still be right.
@SensuixShinobu7
@SensuixShinobu7 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous is smarter then thrawn, he'd win. I know people wont agree, it'd be tough but Grievous is the best General in star Wars and barely anyone can beat him in a fight, he almost killed the strongest jedi of all time in a 1v1.
@erickuo2786
@erickuo2786 6 жыл бұрын
Change the title to; BEST GENERAL on hand to hand combat. Our glory General Grevous will be happier.
@sadeknight9112
@sadeknight9112 5 жыл бұрын
Eric Kuo General Kenobi, then we’ll see who’s better at hand to hand combat
@Roflberrypwnkac
@Roflberrypwnkac 6 жыл бұрын
Anyone else think General Whorm loathsome was a great commander? he beat the clones fairly easy, and due to his classic honor and being pragmatic he even spared the clones and kenobi whilst he could have simply slaughtered them , in spite of plot armor. I'm quite fond of him.
@soldier_6641
@soldier_6641 6 жыл бұрын
*UNIMPORTANT CHARACTER*
@tomsimpkins1211
@tomsimpkins1211 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like Grievous defeating the Night Sisters is heavily underhyped, he full on stomped an entire clan of force sensitives like it was just a hobby of his.
@michaelterrell5061
@michaelterrell5061 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair they had like force bows and could do absolutely nothing against blaster fire which appears to me that they didn’t have precognition. I’d argue that they were mostly under average youngling to Palawan level(except for mother Talzin who was likely close to sidious and yoda in the force).
@dead-ishchannel6212
@dead-ishchannel6212 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous is my personal favorite
@condedooku9750
@condedooku9750 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@O_CABBAGE
@O_CABBAGE 4 жыл бұрын
"General Grievous is number 3" r/prequelmemes: "you are a bold one"
@toby1061
@toby1061 3 жыл бұрын
I think for Greivous you should have looked back at the Wars he was in before he became a Cyborg, when he wasn’t being influenced by Palpatine. He was able to turn a losing war around and then was able to push a devastating campaign that was only stopped but the Jedi.
@HazzronIV
@HazzronIV 6 жыл бұрын
I'll just toss this out there but when deeming a worthy general it's also important to remember not just his deeds on and off the field but also his enemies. General Grievous fought a war against not only the Jedi but in some cases his own superiors who had never intended his army to succeed, this had it's advantages but majorly gimped his army. I seriously doubt the first order or the rebel alliance would have fared as well against an enemy like the republic and their army of Jedi. General Grievous is worthy of villainous respect for that alone.
@Ms_Fortunes
@Ms_Fortunes 6 жыл бұрын
From what I've found, General Veers survived in canon, but was severely wounded when his walker, Blizzard 1, was destroyed when a Snowspeeder crashed into the cockpit. Veers was the only survivor, but suffered major injuries to his leg, so he was forever bound to a power chair to move around.
@danielwechter601
@danielwechter601 6 жыл бұрын
Stats right now: Madine: 12% Veers: 56% Grievous: 30% Hux: 0% HAHAHAHAHAHA
@darwinxavier3516
@darwinxavier3516 6 жыл бұрын
If we include the Genndy Tartarkovsky miniseries, I say Grievous.
@ajczajkowski4205
@ajczajkowski4205 4 жыл бұрын
There’s actually a deleted scene in ESB where a rebel pilot flys his snowspeeder into the head of Veers AT-AT, and Veers dies with it. Don’t know what to count a deleted scene as though.
@antonhelsgaun
@antonhelsgaun 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like canon to me
@edlippincott6205
@edlippincott6205 6 жыл бұрын
#askEck If you were a force sensitive philosopher in the star wars universe and were creating your own order of force practitioners what would be its characteristics aka philosophies, teaching methods, abilities you would focus on, perspective on the light and dark side. etc
@lisarees2703
@lisarees2703 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting Veers (my favorite character by far!) as number 1! Veers' story, especially in Legends, is absolutely fascinating, and he's the one Imperial officer who actually did his job to perfection. Completely agree with this list!
@griffynkennedy1293
@griffynkennedy1293 6 жыл бұрын
Love Your videos, Eck!!!
@Adrianadsen07
@Adrianadsen07 2 жыл бұрын
What i though before watching this video: Grevious was more like the Jedi, not really a strategist, more like leading the front line, single handle just slaughtering the more high-skilled enemies like Jedi and so letting the droids take down the clones. I really didn’t expect him to be kinda known as a “strategic genius” or anything like it, but I think it could fit him, his hate for the Jedi really makes him concentrated on defeating the enemy, because it was personal. I really love how they go into detail on these things.
@DRTisKING
@DRTisKING 6 жыл бұрын
Kenobi, Yoda, or Anakin should have been on the list with the six leaders being Hux
@MournfulDust
@MournfulDust 6 жыл бұрын
I really liked Veers from the moment i first saw the Empire strikes back, maybe because he was obviously very different to the babbling officers we had seen so far (with the exception of mostly Tarkin), and i became a "fan" of sorts after playing EaW as the Empire. I think the guy is a good example of an imperial officer how they all should have been (from an in-universe perspective), and as far as i know he, while being ruthless when needed, was not a sadist and did things the most efficient way, not the most gruesome.
@sithmaster4305
@sithmaster4305 6 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with your choice for placing Hux on this specific list instead of a clone, or jedi general. Hux is incompetent, and a fool. He hardly deserves any credit until the canon gives him a shred of it. The 1st place ruling I'd also disagree on the Rebel General was considered the best in the galaxy AFTER the war, and Veers was considered the best in the empire with him but he had not arguably hit his stride, and notability until he had already defected to the Rebel Alliance.
@scytheseven9173
@scytheseven9173 6 жыл бұрын
Canon will never give Hux any credit because his incompetence is the point. He only got to his position, like many other First Order leaders, through backstabbing and, in his case, a little bit of nepotism. Neither of those things an effective general makes, but such is the way of the dark side. He is intentionally comic relief at best.
@_____________1120
@_____________1120 6 жыл бұрын
If we're talk Grievous from legends or even 2003 clone wars then he beats all these other generals by miles
@Gigas0101
@Gigas0101 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder how Grievous would've fared if he wasn't manipulated and set to lose by Sidious. I feel like he's too much of a wildcard to properly rank. Veers and Madine are a coin-toss for first, IMO, so I guess I agree with the list entirely.
@strykerj2262
@strykerj2262 6 жыл бұрын
General Grevious. If the universe knew about all the memes he spawned, they'd immediately join the Separatists
@scorpixel1866
@scorpixel1866 6 жыл бұрын
Poor Grievous, only 3rd,at least he can consolate himself by stretching the others^^ As for Ecks question, i guess Super-Tactical droids are slightly superior to regular ones but with a capacity to learn beyond any other kind of inorganic? Since they can practice for an unlimited amount of time (unless destroyed) one of them would eventually surpass anything that cannot comptete with it's hardware/processing power (maybe force users strategists if they somehow manage to be completely unpredictable due to how vague the force is to fully comprehend?)
@Roger-ek4ky
@Roger-ek4ky 6 жыл бұрын
Cute
@fictiontheorizer4253
@fictiontheorizer4253 4 жыл бұрын
It's worth noting (in relation to one of your points) that in certain legends cannon that Sidous and Dooku also worked to keep the CIS from developing super weapons that were too powerful for the Republic to overcome, so that's something to keep in mind. That manipulation of the war was very much a two edged sword.
@matrimalviarin5043
@matrimalviarin5043 6 жыл бұрын
Clearly the Republic, since they have GENERAL KENOBI
@james-1110
@james-1110 6 жыл бұрын
General Kalani was an amazing general i think for the CIS. He was able to manipulate kingships and formulate key strategies against the odds, as well as his clarity and independence, seen when he didn’t allow the shut down Command of his droids believing it was a republic trick.
@HCUhardcoreUnited
@HCUhardcoreUnited 6 жыл бұрын
I would rank General Grievous after Veers.
@oneverymadlad1124
@oneverymadlad1124 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh the real problem with Hux is that they appointed a GENERAL as an admiral
@RamonIsHim
@RamonIsHim 5 жыл бұрын
Title: “Factions Compared” Thumbnail: *“FATions Compared”*
@OK-yy6qz
@OK-yy6qz 4 жыл бұрын
You know who's Going to be Last When the Introducing Footage of Him Is a Video of him Sweeping the flour with his Face
@ryantran9241
@ryantran9241 6 жыл бұрын
Good on Madine for picking Captain Rex to attack on Endor.
@adambielen8996
@adambielen8996 6 жыл бұрын
Wait really?
@robertwadsworth3411
@robertwadsworth3411 6 жыл бұрын
What... I thought Rex stayed with Vader.
@ryantran9241
@ryantran9241 6 жыл бұрын
@@robertwadsworth3411 movieweb.com/star-wars-rebels-return-jedi-captain-rex-theory/
@dgurevich1
@dgurevich1 3 жыл бұрын
You and I both know the best general is lord helmet, and his widely feared 'spaceball one'
@Prince_Luci
@Prince_Luci 5 жыл бұрын
I just want to remind everyone that under Hux’s command the first order blew up like 7 whole planets and nearly wiped out the resistance in its entirety.
@mechcannon
@mechcannon 5 жыл бұрын
I too can order people to press the button.
@antonhelsgaun
@antonhelsgaun 3 жыл бұрын
There were like 8 rebels and he failed to kill them
@hmm2598
@hmm2598 5 жыл бұрын
Im glad you cover this part of starwars galactic history. Like thrawn, other commanders had a moral code!
@andresinish
@andresinish 6 жыл бұрын
love ur vids
@Thibull
@Thibull 6 жыл бұрын
This outro is a real masterpiece 😂
@MrDrProfessor4
@MrDrProfessor4 6 жыл бұрын
It's too bad, though understandable, that any kind of convoluted tactics in space and on ground are pretty much exclusive to expanded universe content, be it Legends or Disney-era. Even Rebels, which had Thrawn in it, kept things simple or "vaguely implied to be complicated but never seen" during battle sequences. Looking at your opinion of this factions compared, it's really telling that, in the films only, the bottom two are major characters while the top two are pretty much just background extras. I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though. Anyways: Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: one-hundred-twenty-two times.
@maxblake5564
@maxblake5564 2 жыл бұрын
A Super Tactical Droid would be somewhere between Hux and Grievous. On a side note, a T-Series Tactical Droid would be well below even Hux. Hux wouldn’t bluescreen if his prisoners started attacking him while he was threatening his enemy.
@BeBetter22992
@BeBetter22992 6 жыл бұрын
Dark Helmet Vs Darth Vader
@SageSea1
@SageSea1 5 жыл бұрын
When not a single soul says a thing about veers and he wins the poll because you said hes the best
@edenjung9816
@edenjung9816 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Eck. How are you doing? #askeck what are you thinking about the Jedi knight Games? Which one is your Favorite? Or what overall Star wars Game is your Favorite?
@nutcrackit7396
@nutcrackit7396 6 жыл бұрын
I like the super tactical droid and believe it to be better than grievous when it comes down to managing an army and strategy. Grievous does have the benefit of being a very capable battlefield asset though.
@tommymaxey2665
@tommymaxey2665 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah Hux is just horrible mabye some better writing could make him more dangerous rather than a cheap joke
@willhuey4891
@willhuey4891 4 жыл бұрын
the first movie the force awakens made him seem dangerous.
@eyepatchpirate7726
@eyepatchpirate7726 4 жыл бұрын
With a stellar Blitzkrief, Hux conquered the galaxy in less than a few weeks and eliminated the New Republic with a battle station he knew he was going to lose anyway. He also destroyed the Resistance. Everything was under control until he was demoted by Kylo :)
@Blitzkrieg23
@Blitzkrieg23 6 жыл бұрын
5:13 it reminds me about Spartans? Or it's just me
@lou3712
@lou3712 6 жыл бұрын
The Best General realizes the importance of having great facial hair and the High Ground
@scarface1138
@scarface1138 6 жыл бұрын
Madine and Veers were played by Irish actors. #funfact
@CuppaTeaExe
@CuppaTeaExe 6 жыл бұрын
6:34 Let me reword word that General Grievous is “Uncivilised one”
@CelticsOperative
@CelticsOperative 5 жыл бұрын
So you’re telling me that rebels killed kidnapped soldiers? If that’s not wrong I don’t know what is.
@brycelinnarz9387
@brycelinnarz9387 5 жыл бұрын
Grievous led the first successful attack on Corasont in 1000 years and he is only at number 3
@dave212
@dave212 6 жыл бұрын
I really wonder... what if Veers was under the command of Thrawn... *Oof*
@alois4503
@alois4503 5 жыл бұрын
7:09 For some reason i understood "british" instead of "brutish" (?) natur and it gave me the hardest laughflash i've had in a long time.
@IrishPhoenix7
@IrishPhoenix7 6 жыл бұрын
*shouts in Italian* General Kenobi!!!
@kravenmaurhedd4264
@kravenmaurhedd4264 5 жыл бұрын
I don't usually comment on these but you're greatly undervaluing Grievous
@nolandewell1102
@nolandewell1102 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like Veers was heavily inspired by Erwin Rommel
@Maliq28
@Maliq28 3 жыл бұрын
Erwin Rommel but more loyal
@nolandewell1102
@nolandewell1102 3 жыл бұрын
@@Maliq28 more loyola? you talking about how it's suspected that he was apart of the plot to kill hitler
@Maliq28
@Maliq28 3 жыл бұрын
@@nolandewell1102 yep
@cdrthorn4396
@cdrthorn4396 6 жыл бұрын
Hux, the guy who wouldn't listen to Captain Cardinal about how she was a traitor, so basically Starkiller was even more his fault. Great Video!
@lieutenantnomad9198
@lieutenantnomad9198 6 жыл бұрын
T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
@grand-dadmiral
@grand-dadmiral 6 жыл бұрын
In spite of Ozzel's failure and the Empire's choice of ground vehicles, General Veers remained an excellent field commander during the Battle of Hoth.
@elichalfant941
@elichalfant941 6 жыл бұрын
Hello There
@timbartschwolfman
@timbartschwolfman 6 жыл бұрын
General Kenobi
@moonlight5031
@moonlight5031 6 жыл бұрын
Hi how are you
@etch_a_sketch8509
@etch_a_sketch8509 6 жыл бұрын
My list: 1# General Veers 2# General Grievous 3# General Crix Madine 4# General Hux. Eck I love your videos, the content is great and spot on and you have good visuals. Best channel for Star Wars nerds! Keep up the good work.
@juanlodri5964
@juanlodri5964 6 жыл бұрын
*Hux gets 0% of the votes* "I love democracy."
@Bryan-dr5qy
@Bryan-dr5qy 6 жыл бұрын
General Hux only got to where he was because of backstabbing, it's meant to show the difference between the old loyal Imperials like Captain Canady and the new guys like himself and Phasma. The only thing he has going for him is that he pushed for technological advancement, which is why Snoke even considered having him at the top. When it comes to that he's pretty sly but when it comes to military tactics he is best served as a technological supervisor, the best he could do is on direct capital ships engagements.
@mightystriker3255
@mightystriker3255 6 жыл бұрын
Notification squad like it up
@JingleJangle256
@JingleJangle256 5 жыл бұрын
The problem with Super-Tactical droids is that they fail to account for the unpredictable. They assume the enemy will take the most logical approach and focus on breaking such an advancement. But when an enemy attacks in an unorthodox manor, such as distractions or small-unit incursions, they can become easily confused and, for lack of a better word, “break” under pressure.
@MRDLT00
@MRDLT00 6 жыл бұрын
Please tell me you're gonna use Grevious from Legends and not that damn 2008 series. DX
@Hammudiii
@Hammudiii 6 жыл бұрын
MRDLT00 well rip
@smc0718
@smc0718 6 жыл бұрын
7:03 is a picture of the new geonosis map in battlefront 2
@thedishonoredamerican129
@thedishonoredamerican129 6 жыл бұрын
Notification squad where are you?
@arfcaptainvoid1188
@arfcaptainvoid1188 6 жыл бұрын
Hello there
@thedishonoredamerican129
@thedishonoredamerican129 6 жыл бұрын
You are a bold one!
@arfcaptainvoid1188
@arfcaptainvoid1188 6 жыл бұрын
@@thedishonoredamerican129 we have another roleplay in chat
@thedishonoredamerican129
@thedishonoredamerican129 6 жыл бұрын
@@arfcaptainvoid1188 I shall join.
@thedishonoredamerican129
@thedishonoredamerican129 6 жыл бұрын
@Matthew Macius Join our notification squad.
@killerclone1786
@killerclone1786 6 жыл бұрын
Do a video on the best Clone Commanders and what was their best effective strategy and morale and caring for their men
@doge_3161
@doge_3161 6 жыл бұрын
:D
@crustypaladin
@crustypaladin 6 жыл бұрын
Are you ECK? :3
@EchthelionII
@EchthelionII 6 жыл бұрын
No it's not him, he's not wearing a hat, he could be his twin though.
@doge_3161
@doge_3161 6 жыл бұрын
@@crustypaladin oh no i am his twin :3
@cellianexurianity5021
@cellianexurianity5021 6 жыл бұрын
Grievous, but not that spider dude? Isn't that dude a better tactitian and leader/strategist than grievous?
@dave212
@dave212 6 жыл бұрын
General not admiral I guess thats his logic xD
@user-Jay178
@user-Jay178 6 жыл бұрын
All of them are great general except for hux he is a ragdoll. Great video
@legomancb12
@legomancb12 6 жыл бұрын
I remember some line in some canon/legends material that said that Palps had underestimated Grievous and had to weaken the Separatist army before it worked too well and overran the Republic.
@shapesnatch1341
@shapesnatch1341 6 жыл бұрын
well with a few programming corrections (particularly in underestimating opponents) a super tactical droid could easily be number one
@samspeed6271
@samspeed6271 6 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with your rankings. Hux is useless as a tactician, as demonstrated multiple times in the films. Grevious is a blunt instrument who just throws battle droids at the Republic, lacking any real tactic. Madine is a good leader, knows the ins and outs of covert operations. Small commando teams, big results. Has many successful operations accredited to his name, such as the job on the DS2's shield bunker, which lead to the end of the Empire. Veers is best though. When someone has messed up and created a less than ideal tactical situation, Veers can still reign victorious with ease. Has a brilliant track record of successes, even when given situations that are seemingly no win scenarios. The concept of a computer tactician is interesting though, as it can process far more data than a human, allowing it to make a decision when it is better informed with more data. However, it is the sum of its programming, so it can become predictable. Computers also tend to lack creativity, so you won't get any strokes of tactical genius like you would with Madine or Veers. Basically, even a Super Tactical Droid boils down to the simple fact it is a glorified chess computer, however advanced it is. Great video Eck. Have a good weekend.
@NotRJ001
@NotRJ001 4 жыл бұрын
I mean The Republic and The Confederacy since all of the Generals are Jedi and the other had a Super Tactical Droid/Alien that was able to kill 4 Jedi Knights.
@eeeeee9953
@eeeeee9953 2 жыл бұрын
I like the thumbnail. The next centricide reboot seems fantastic
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