Which Star Wars Faction has the WORST CAPITAL SHIP? | Star Wars Factions Compared

[@EckhartsLadder]

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[@aurorathearcticwolf4243]

EckhartsLadder u said CAPITAL SHIPS HOW DOES A TRANSPORT COUNT AS A CAPITAL SHIP 2 completely different classes

[@barrybend7189]

Best transforming fighter: VF-11 thunderbolt from Macross plus vs the Union Flag from Gundam 00 vs the Viking from StarCraft vs the Mecha Tengu from Command and Conquer.

[@Funkography]

Best Star Wars side faction navy. Zann Consortium, Chiss Ascendancy, Corporate Sector, CIS Holdouts, Pirates, Hutt Cartel, etc. I love the Consortium’s use of Mandalorian ships.

[@ascendant2-7]

Please do Protoss Zealot vs Covenant Elite!

[@mondrianman2169]

The First Order Dreadnaught reminds me of a flying pizza with massive laser cannons

[@murrayskull2702]

That guy is gonna be back on in a few years to ask her to marry him

[@darthfenrir4892]

Murray Skull This is were the feels begin.

[@peterchiu1769]

Is that Legal my lord?

[@ShiftyMcGoggles]

+Hanzo Qiu *We will make it legal.*

[@jonblank2380]

Murray Skull I can see the star destroyer shaped getaway car now.

[@mrmanceres7653]

You mean a few days.

[@NiraSader]

"We're fighting against an enemy that heavily relies on starfighters and other similarly small ships, let's build an 'improved' version of our main capital ship and remove all of its anti-fighter cannons" genius

[@fernandomarques5166]

The Android from Aiur and not give it a escort!

[@RyanKawesomeSMS]

Internet Zen Master I think they're talking about the empire and it's transition from the ISD I, which had point defense, to the ISD II, which did not have a pd system. If you want to hate on the sequels, at least do it on a sequel related comment

[@sayvionwashington1939]

Those high ranking Imperials can't ignore your "intelligence" now! You deserve a prrrromotion!

[@InvictusMatrix]

Mr. Hand 1. The Emancipator was the only Imperial-ll to have proton torpedo tubes and all star destroyers could change fire modes. I don't know where you got the idea that all ISD-2s had proton torpedo launchers, but they don't. 2. Poe doesn't use a "Stealth X-Wing". Those don't exist in canon. He just uses a T-70 with an afterburner, which allowed him to avoid shots from the Dreadnought's cannons.

[@CaptanSpudsy]

From my admittedly limited knowledge, the Imp-II had it's point defense removed because on the Imp-I they were absolute garbage. Most of the anti-starfighter ability of any ISD comes from the TIE fighters it has, and given how bad the PD's were, it makes sense to specialize the ISD to a more dedicated fuck your cruiser style ship, which were the cornerstones of most Rebel fleets. That being said, it does have some pretty serious design flaws(I'm looking at you octuple-barbette locations) but as a capital ship, it is indeed an improvement over the OG ISD-I.

[@tubb1]

Bruh, everyone talking bout the vid but nobody talking bout da fact that “dew it” was the winning answer for “should Ariana go to prom with Isaac”

[@ww12things43]

Hey friend

[@kobaltmyst8074]

i love democracy

[@kobaltmyst8074]

i love democracy

[@leonardochapman4736]

Roger Roger!!!

[@supertacticaldroid1751]

rogEr rogEr

[@CheeseDanish85]

Now do worst bombers. I nominate the rebel bombers that went after the mandator. Those things dropped like flies.

[@Kapnohuxi_folium]

"bombers keep that tight formation"

[@AF-qc5vo]

@@Kapnohuxi_folium 1 broken tie fighter destroys 3 of them

[@madjaster9620]

Nick F. Yet it only took one to take it down

[@ShamuShanpoo]

Nick F. I think they were more focused on being slow but hitting incredibly hard rather than speed and maneuverability. Their strength definitely lies in the payload but besides that a TIE bomber would be way better tbh or a Y-Wing

[@norfangl3480]

The broken TIE fighter that took out three StarFortress SF-17 (very creative name btw) would have been a more effective bomber.

[@leonardochapman4736]

Clone: For the Republic!!! Rebel Soldier: For the Rebellion!!! Stormtrooper: For the Empire!!! Droid: Roger Roger!!!

[@michaelradev2710]

Haha I love it

[@spacexfan1281]

It must be swiped diagonally empire is amarr, new order is caldari, separatists are gallente and Confederacy are those brownish

[@yng1669]

YES!

[@Theunfriendlyneighborhoodman]

Darth Vader : Join the Darkside

[@Cardboardtruck-vc2qw]

Roger roger!!!

[@f4fphantomii468]

This video be like: Leopard 2a7 Vs. Abrams. Vs. T-90 Vs. An Armored Weaponized truck

[@zjanez2868]

according to the book of War thunder page 53, verse 16 weaponised truck always wins

[@skramjet4482]

Leopard or Abrams tbh

[@maartenkramers8314]

*NO ARMOUR IS BEST ARMOUR*

[@robertli3600]

Never underestimate the soviet milktruck

[@badrulamzar6767]

LOL

[@KyleKatarnChannel]

GR75 as a capital ship? Gimme a break

[@lazgmr4746]

well they are used as it... and they mentioned that it was about the worst consistently used backbone non-starfighter combat craft which functions as a capital ship "The capital ships of a navy are its most important warships; they are generally the larger ships when compared to other warships in their respective fleet. A capital ship is generally a leading or a primary ship in a naval fleet." okay, so the GR75 isn't exactly primary in terms of its combat capability but the rebel alliance seems to rely on mobility so much for their primary fleet(s) that the GR75 just gets thrown into combat anyways, because they're relying on everyone fighting just to survive - the only stupid part of this is they didn't throw 10-20 turbolasers onto them, and another 10 laser point defenses onto them for proper combat roles

[@quintellknox9620]

Gr 75 are not capital ship

[@sawyerjanssen3338]

Tell me about it

[@doughboidays3039]

My question is how is the lukrehulk on this list

[@GregoryJohnson-l1g]

@@doughboidays3039 CIS didnt have many capital ships

[@timotheepeyre9944]

The Mandator IV is undoubtedly the worst ship, a single light fighter is able to spray all the poory defended turrets that serve as anti-aircraft batteries.

[@hesoyam881]

Mandator IV on paper was a pretty capable ship. It is definitely vulnerable but its a dreadnought that is meant to attack from a distance. If it was anyone else other than plot armoured Poe, and when against some filler Republic fleet, the Mandator would definitely contribute a lot more to the battle

[@timotheepeyre9944]

@@hesoyam881 Okay, this dreadnought has a powerful artillery, but the First Order has obviously neglected its defensive armament. In short, it is very vulnerable to battleships that have entire fleets of light interceptors. Don't you believe that the Home One and the others Resistance's cruisers are exactly this kind of battleships?

[@hesoyam881]

Timothée Peyre yeah but realistically it would be put in a support fleet in the back, farther from the combat so it can utilize the tremendous range and firepower of its autocannons. But if it was in a situation like the movie, then it would just be a big lumbering target. I don’t see how it can maneuver its cannons fast enough in that close range. The movie really just downplayed the Mandator so it can get rid of it quick

[@timotheepeyre9944]

@@hesoyam881 I grant you this point but it does mean at least that the officers of the First Order navy are very poor strategists

[@callan7468]

Ghost Yh Disney just added it to go, “Look, we can make good ships too, watch more of our SW films to see it more. Aaaaaannnnddd, say goodbye”

[@yaboiwxll5359]

Well, the Trade Federation got blown up by an 8 year old soo...

[@ww12things43]

Well Im stll here Rodger rodger

[@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221]

WAIT DO U MEAN I BLEW THAT UP!? (i am 8 yr old too)

[@zachzavelsky8302]

Liam Ulrich Monjardin sucks to be u because anakin was 10

[@tea4life430]

@@zachzavelsky8302 yet he still had a 16 year old gf the world will never know

[@Wooooooweeeeee]

Tea4life well at the time of phantom menace Anakin was actually 9 and Padme was 12

[@marckrieger3277]

I think the GR-75 dont belong in this list. It is perfect designed for its purpose (cargo transport). The Rebel Alliance just dont use it right.

[@casbot71]

The GR75 is a well designed ship for it's purpose, which is to carry cargo. The fact that it was used for something it was not designed for does not change the validity of it's original design. The 747 is a great passenger jet but a lousy air superiority fighter. If some idiot tries to use it as such that doesn't take away from the brilliant design work that went into it. Now if the GR75 had been designed for pitched battles that would be different. That would be like designing a general purpose space dominance ship meant to patrol systems by itself that couldn't deal with starfighters and had easily identifiable and undefended weak spots, it didn't fulfill its design purpose.

[@Transfixed]

That's kind of the point. The films show it being used as a capital ship, so we have to accept what we see and judge it thusly.

[@adamnfiddle8065]

_And it's not even a capital ship for the Rebels. They used big fucking Mon calamari ships like Home One and the Profundity._

[@Kalenz1234]

@@adamnfiddle8065 They used it as a fighter screen. So a support vessel not a capital ship. That thing is way too small and light to fill a capital ship role. Pirate fleets had larger capital ships.

[@adamnfiddle8065]

@@Kalenz1234 Wait, are you talking about the rebel transports discussed in this video or the Home one And Profundity Mon calamari ships?

[@ethanhatcher5533]

>Gr75 >Capital ship Pick one

[@user-Jay178]

ethan hatcher gr 75

[@LostInTheFarmersMarket]

Yeah...I'm very sure a transport does NOT count as a capital warship at all and should never have been considered given that the Moncal cruisers exist and were the best the rebel alliance had to offer for a while.

[@DatAsuna]

A capital ship is anything bigger than a star-fighter. Perhaps your complaint is counting it as a warship rather than a capital ship.

[@LostInTheFarmersMarket]

You are completely incorrect, the precise definition of a capital ship is " 1. A warship of the first rank in size and armament. 2. A major Surface ship (as a battleship, cruiser, aircraft carrier ect.). This definition is in numerous dictionaries and military history books. This is why corvettes and frigates aren't often considered capital vessels. In the case in question the transport is what is called an 'Improvised warship' it should never have been listed in this video because it does not count.

[@sextapompeia]

You really should have looked at an mc80 rather than the gr75

[@Jedi_Spartan]

"Again the Rebels have brought the arm- unarmed GR -75 transports to a massive battle" "Why, what do they do? Is it in case the Rebels get hungry and need a snack and that's where they all are?"

[@vademaster6597]

LOL

[@thunberbolttwo3953]

The rebels needed as supply ships.

[@awildfilingcabinet6239]

I think it’s more of a why not. They have nothing else, so why not at least use them as a distraction. I mean, most of the time the rebels had to throw everything they had just to survive. Every little bit counts, even if it’s as little as the gr-75

[@adudeontheinternet8246]

@@awildfilingcabinet6239 its a big target and it's lightly armed. More is not always better-- Especially when you lose a dozen of the things and can't house your troops anymore.

[@awildfilingcabinet6239]

@@adudeontheinternet8246 I would much rather loose troop transports than destroyers and frigates. Every hit one of those takes is one less hit to a nebulon b or a MC80. Future fights don't matter if they can't survive this one. That means protecting the ships that can actually make a difference in this fight with any means necessary.

[@enoughothis]

The CIS ship was never designed as a warship. It would be like taking a container ship, putting guns on it and expecting it to take out an Iowa class battleship. The fact they did so well against the Republic in the Clone Wars is a testament to CIS engineers.

[@enoughothis]

True, they put lots of guns on it but according to source material the placement of these guns was less than stellar. They were potent ships nonetheless because of the fighters they could carry.

[@boreasreal5911]

The Lucrehulk freighter was the subject of this video. If you are talking about the Battleship, it's more like you take a huge container ship, strip it off everything, put some military grade equipment and a flight deck on it, put some badass weapons on it and let it sink all 4 of the Iowas at the same time. Even 40mm Bofors wouldn't save them. It might be called a Battleship, but in the end it is a carrier. That discussion is irrelevant though, since we are not talking about the CIS Lukrehulk battleship but about the Trade Federation Lukrehulk droid control ship.

[@Talon1124]

The Lucrehulk is basically a Q-Ship. A freight ship with (possibly hidden) guns on it. It wasn't a warship and even the 'upgunned' version was poorly armed for its size.

[@enoughothis]

boreas real, that sounds really cool.

[@Horseshoecrabwarrior]

boreas real Yeah, this is probably closest to the truth.

[@jakedempsey3809]

So we're counting GR-75's as capital ships now? Nice

[@Amar-hq3ek]

Jake Dempsey Yeah, that’s What I thought. You can’t compare that to even a tie-fighter

[@chrissonofpear3657]

If you look at 3:00 in the video, there's what might be a variant version underneath the transport close to the camera. That seems to have top and bottom fins, maybe more weaponry.

[@boreasreal5911]

It looks more like a B wing to me. Moving to the right edge of the frame and is thus viewed from an odd angle.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

No B-Wing model had been made yet though. There's a twin cockpit design some fans reckon is a small tanker, but the one on the lower right still looks a bit like a transport to me.

[@4021800]

The GR-75 was nothing more than a medium transporter used to transport, decoy and shield during attacks. It certainly wasn't a capital ship. Maybe look at the Rebel Alliance's MC80a fleet like 'Home One', 'Defiance' and 'Independance'

[@lenkagamine4145]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the exposed bridge on the ISD is not a design flaw. its there for the same reason bridge's were on real life battleships: situational awareness trumps a well protected command bridge. Plus, with shields, the bridge is not really much weaker outside the ship than it would be inside. As long as battles are taking place within visual range where you can see the entire battlefield from one viewport, which seems to be how things work in star wars, an exposed bridge makes complete sense. no the part thats really dumb is the exposed shield generators. Those certainly have no reason to be outside of the ship.

[@zachzavelsky8302]

It actually kinda makes sense for the emperor’s ships to have these exposed shield generators. They may have put them there as a brag, like how they see it but can’t get it, overall fills the emperor’s persona of overconfidence, which I mean we all know where that leads him...

[@buzzkiller0356]

But they don't necessarily need to see what's happening, they have sensors for that.

[@buzzkiller0356]

So therefore they don't need an exposed bridge

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

The bridge also isn't really protected that well. It should've had anti fighter autoturrets on the bridge

[@CineriousJones]

IDK i feel like if we are making starship bridges that need that situational awareness then we need bridges that can see ventrally too. Maybe a bridge the goes through a thinner section of the ship.

[@youngsmitty347]

The First Order, since their capital ship can be destroyed with one shot from the outside by a single bomber.

[@danielhaire6677]

An overly specialized capital ship hit by a bomber designed for saturation bombardment of heavy starbases. The Resurgent class would be a better choice for a base line First Order Capital ship.

[@enoughothis]

Fear the Pizza Slice of DOOM!

[@UncannyFella]

Fact: The ship was designed bad for the plot.

[@enoughothis]

Not even Rian Johnson's biggest mistake.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

The Resurgent at least SEEMS capable, assuming you aren't inside the shield and taking out turrets. But the Mandator, however...

[@ReaperDCC]

Why didn't you pick the Alliance's real capital ship? It kinda seems like you're comparing walkers to infantry here

[@Transfixed]

Because it's a list of the worst

[@Julian-pw5mv]

ReaperDCC123 the mc 80 was one of the best ships in all of star wars so its not on a list with the worst ships

[@jacktheflash8478]

ReaperDCC123 you mean the nebulon-b that has been used as a capital on more than one occasion

[@Julian-pw5mv]

Jack Theflash still the nebulon b is a good ship

[@jacktheflash8478]

Julian yeah but it is still a better fit on this list than the gr 75 because it has actually been used as a capital ship

[@Doivid_]

I love how during the gr-75 bit there's an image of a gr-75 smashing into an ISD.

[@potatojuice5124]

Rip unnamed rebel captain #338

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

@@potatojuice5124 F

[@colterassiniwai5509]

Still in favour of the "battlefield snack barge" theory that Spacedock put forward concerning the GR-75.

[@670HP-Package-NOW]

Trevor Lesage or hyperspace rave station

[@rascoehunter3608]

Just imagine if you get tranfered to the gr-75 and then get killed.

[@notazerg]

GR75 if anything are literally giant cheap space filler ships, mean't to fill the open space around capitals to limit maneuvering of enemy fighters. Just like barrage balloons in WW2.

[@jonblank2380]

NightRaven if we have learned anything from the last jedi, it's that you use your most important capital ship as the battering ram not the non important transports that are expendable.

[@jonblank2380]

Oh and you forgot they could have probably been made into fuel tankers to if the rebels really need them. All rebel craft needed to be versatile. The ghost had about ten jobs based on what was need for the crew's survival.

[@Revan-vk2ld]

You dare call the lucrehulk terrible HOW DARE YOU oh wait the control ship that's fine

[@chrissonofpear3657]

And the one used in ROTS was supposed to be a real MONSTER of a warship, with hundreds of guns.

[@jesusislord229]

Adarsh lal sarcasm my dude

[@blazethegryphon9990]

I almost got scared when I saw my lucrebabe on the thumbnail. Lucrehulks were so incredibly good at their jobs.

[@user-Jay178]

Chris sonofPear yeah

[@richardjmendozamendoza1051]

venator superior.

[@stethespaniard2]

You’re calling that transport a capital ship?

[@MayhemPenguin]

was thinking the same thing

[@blahblah8471]

Yeah I know

[@obi-wankenobi6711]

It should be the MC80 Cruser

[@EE-dj7et]

its understandable, the rebellion didnt have many types of capital ships, and which they had were on the good side and this is still better then when they completely excluded the first order from the fighter/bomber/interceptor one

[@clonesolar]

Their capital ship was their mon calamari.

[@cellianexurianity5021]

The rebels' capital ship isnt that. That was only really a troop transport! There are literal mon cala capital ships like at the battle of endor.

[@chadthundercock4806]

the mon cal was good, the troop transport is big enough to be a capital ship

[@cellianexurianity5021]

stale memes true maybe, but if anything their more or less only a escort frigate.

[@chadthundercock4806]

anything big with guns is considered a capital ship

[@pauleypockets4734]

Also home one

[@Kilovotis]

Capital ships would have at least some chance of fighting. The GR75 barely has any chance against three tie interceptors.

[@flydrop8822]

When i looked the thumbnail, i guessed the Lucrehulk would be the best of the 4, just by the main design. First off, it is the only one that has no direction, it is not pointed anywhere. This is important, because in space there is no air resistance, which means you don't have to make triangular shaped ships like the destroyer or dreadnaught. Instead, it is more useful to have a spherical ship that can protect from all sides, which the Lucrehulk does perfectly. It also is a very symmetrical ship. Again, spherical shape is good because it means there are no weak points on the hull. The troops and crew inside also have to travel shorter distances to go from one part of the ship to another, in this case the ring shape is a nice design feature.

[@lenkagamine4145]

the triangular design isnt for aerodynamics, its to allow it to fire all guns directly forwards. A lucrehulk cannot do that. I like the ship dont get me wrong. but the basic shape of a star destroyer makes perfect logical sense.

[@captaincookie4954]

It got blown up by a child

[@pubcle]

In Star Wars there is resistance. Star Wars space is not actually a vacuum.

[@Chujoi0]

@@lenkagamine4145 The thing is, it's space and there are not 2, but 3 dimensions to worry about. Triangle-shaped ships can be easily flanked, and most of their weaponry cannot fire at the back because of the shape.

[@lenkagamine4145]

@@Chujoi0 thats only a problem if you cant quickly turn around. Star destroyers are pretty fast, it shouldnt be hard for them to simply... turn to face their opponent. theres literally no ship design in which all of your weaponry can fire in all directions, anyways.

[@KloPoon13]

This video made me realize how good the lucrehulk actually is compared to other ships. 1. It can control an army of droids/invade a planet on its own 2. It carries a lot of starfighters 3. I don’t know but I like the lucrehulk now

[@welkingunther4298]

Personally the lack of weapons makes it bad in my eyes. It's not the isd2 design that imperial navy doctrine is bad and doesn't have enough smaller corvettes or advanced ties to accompany it. I personally don't like comparing ships to operate on its own... puts too much weight on jack of all trades, my least favorite attribute.

[@Lolzz_ya]

I find the droid controls as a weakness as all the enemy can do to stop an invasion (if there is) is to just target the lucrehulk as it has a lack of defense weapons. Sure it can carry a lot of droid starfighters but still a massive weakness. Lucrehulk still good doe

[@NathanTheDwarvenShark]

@@Lolzz_ya During the clone wars they no longer worked as complete control ships. As droids were given their own independent processors. Meaning if the control ship was blown up, the droids only lost any commanders that were on board but were otherwise still functional and still active.

[@Lolzz_ya]

@@NathanTheDwarvenShark yeah completely forgot abt that. "not like us, we're independent thinkers!"

[@NathanTheDwarvenShark]

@@Lolzz_ya "Roger, Roger"

[@JerkyMurky]

By every military definition of a capital ship the rebel's capital ship(s) are not the gr75... There are Mon Calamar CAPITAL SHIPS. Like... why? A capital ship is the ship first in order of armament and size within a nations fleet. By definition the gr75 CANT be considered a capital ship unless the alliance is ONLY using fighters in its fleet... ITS NOT!

[@xX4ttttXx]

As it was one of the main shops they used, I can be considered a capital ship. For example, they didn't use the Death Stars or super star destroyers as the imperial one

[@alfredquirinus4025]

@@xX4ttttXx, a medium transport with ground forces ready to land at any given time ... is a capital ship???? by capital ship you gotta name ones like MC40, MC70, MC80a, MC80b, Mandator and Bellator Battlecruisers, Kedalbe battleships, Krayt-class destroyers ... worst one here is the mandator 4 hands down! ISD II close by a very small margin ... put on 1v1, even a Kedalbe battleship (Mandalmotors top build!) can tear a mandator 4 in half ... shield draining, mass-drivers blasting ventral guns and turbolasers ripping off the bridge! even proper imperial star destroyers didn't dare to go all out against mandalorian capital ships ... and FoC shows how tied up they are with rebel capital ships

[@nicegarry7421]

Thomas Owens The Death Star isn’t a ship. It’s a space station

[@wargearinternational7679]

The ISD and Mandator IV were not the largest ships or had the most armaments in their factions either.

[@alfredquirinus4025]

@@wargearinternational7679, a battle station cant be considered a capital ship either... so, lets just stick to bellator battlecruisers and super star destroyers .... no, wait, Imperial II SD's actually ARE capital ships due to reinforced weaponry

[@thenamesgames6393]

**How to create effective and unbeatable capital ships, carriers and flighters in the star wars universe in 3 simple steps:** 1. Do not be a darn moron. Keep an eye out for even the smallest of design flaws, even an exhaust port smaller than a desert womp rat could be exploitable. 2. Remove plot armour. Be mindful of Jedi, Gungans, not black coloured droids (das racist) the name ”skywalker” or young girls from a desert planet. If detecting even one of the latters, jump to hyperspace and pray for the whills. 3. Be the good guys. No matter how mindful of plot armour you are, the light side will *always* prevail. Avoid edgy dark force users and do not become one of your own.

[@TheCaptainNick]

Nah just focus a whole lot on one fighter pilot. Then they will gain the ability to destroy over 900 ships in 1 millisecond.

[@Antoine-1793]

EckhartsLadder, something that is almost never discussed when talking about SW universe is that SW creatives tried to relay a faction philosophy through ships & fighters design. Especially in the original trilogy and the Empire/Siths. Star Destroyer are tools of fear & domination. Massive, with an all out attack mentality. Same of the Tie-Fighters. They are meant to show Sith's approach, disregarding defensive feature for a high risk, fast & lethal approach. And it works : The empire look scary and aggressive. Their capital ships are freaking arrows ... directed at YOU! Regarding the rest of their design flaws, it also work with the story aspect. Like any good mythological monsters, they can be defeated by a hero using his brain instead of his strength. That's a core aspect of heroism : Defeating a stronger foe by outsmarting it. In the specific setting of SW original trilogy, that meant exploiting design flaws, which in turn called for said design flaws.

[@marcusscott5363]

That's the other thing - we talk about how illogical the ISD II with its turbolaser-forward design is because its (supposed) primary opponent is the Rebel Alliance, of which has an edge in advanced starfighter designs. 1) WE DON'T KNOW THAT - arguably the primary opponent of the Empire is the rest of the galaxy, and the primary purpose of the Imperial Fleet (and Tarkin Doctrine) is to keep the galaxy down and subdued (not even necessarily to actually crush all resistance - some conflict and insecurity creates fear, which favors the state, law & order, and the status quo politically). Brings me to point #2... 2) Capital ships, in a space navy or otherwise, are symbols of power, prestige, and state sovereignty, because they're going to be objectively expensive to maintain in fuel, maintenance, personnel manning, etc. If the Empire has a fleet of thousands of the most badass capital ships flying around, imposing order and international sovereignty around the galaxy because no other political entity can stand up as a legitimate sovereign entity and challenge the Empire conventionally... then the Empire has won the political battle. That's the purpose of the ISD. NOT to tactically defeat the Rebel Alliance, but to subdue the galaxy. That's why there are so many ISDs, and that's why the form the core of Imperial battlegroups, and that's why they're built the way the are. That's the strategy the Empire needs to maintain sole superpower, galactic supremacy. It's a strategic-political choice, not a tactical one.

[@wolfgangkolber381]

The Empire has money and men to spare, for the most part. Most members of their fleet are expendable, with only a few key targets, including high-ranking personnel, that are actually vital. Consequently, most of their constructions were designed to inspire fear. The Death Star, obviously, essentially does what a well aimed asteroid or a large fleet could do: make the planet inhabitable and wipe out its population. In fact, we hear this mentioned in the original Thrawn Trilogy, where the Noghri homeworld is made almost entirely uninhabitable by accident. The Death Star is made to inspire fear, not destroy planets, which in itself would actually end up being detrimental to the Empire by depleting its resources. While the notes made on the Lucrehulk were valid, I would like to point out that most of its deficiencies were eventually fixed. It is also important to note that its maneuverability, or lack thereof, wasn't a design flaw in the first place. It's original purpose, as I'm given to understand, was to blockade planets and force them into compliance, or to block travel in general in order to force a fee of some kind. Similarly, while the droids may have been horrid soldiers, they did on many occasions swarm their enemies successfully, and don't adhere to the biological limits of the clones. They were cheap and easily mass produced, and, as noted before with the Lucrehulk, performed their duties well. They were made as garrison units. The Super Battle Droids were, in truth, the proper standart infantry unit for the CIS, with their cheaper counterparts occupying the clones' attention while the Super Battle Droids did much of the damage, with the assistance of starfighters, bombers, and Droidekas. I would also like to point out that the CIS starfighters, bombers, etc. were actually fairly good. Similar to the Empire's tactics, the Mandater IV would have been made to inspire fear rather than be used to actual effect. More worrying, I think, is the fear that the rebels' direct towards it. How do they lose against something like that? How do they not detect it coming from hyperspace an hour or two away when it's so large?

[@nantonenko5810]

Marcus Scott yup. People seem to think the empire was built to fight the rebels but really they just wanted to maintain control and order. The rebels scavenged what they could to fight and counter them

[@jacobwalsh1888]

What you are all ignoring is that plot armor favors the rebels. If you actually read books written by a competent author from the expanded universe, you see the ISD as it truly is. The rebels AVOIDED fighting them at all costs, because they nearly always lost. It was a few key events that gave the rebels victory, not any kind of military advantage.

[@Inquisitor_Redacted]

Why is a largely unarmed transport considered a Capital Ship again?

[@ParanoidAlaskan]

Commander Thorn Commander Thorn in lore, a ship can be considered a capital ship when it’s above 100 meters. The GR75 is only 90 and is severally undergunned for its size at that.

[@Inquisitor_Redacted]

I'm guessing it's on the list because the rebellion uses it as a capital ship despite the fact it really shouldn't be used like that.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

It was West End Games that defined the 'above 100 metres' rule, and mainly as an RPG mechanic. They didn't even have much rules for warship to warship combat at first. Perhaps the size also defines even the smallest navies, loosely. It seems like dated lore, by now.

[@NinjaTyler]

Inquisitor Rhurick the rebellion never used it as a capital ship, everytime we hear protect the transports or get to the transports what’s parked nearby? GR75’s, they’re role has never been capital ships in canon and legends they’re to transport the rebel bases various supplies (look at the underside and take into the fact rebel bases are built that the crates are still lying out ready to pack up the base and get out asap)

[@DarthAlphaTheGreat]

The reason the rebel ships were at Endor were because Lucasfilm probably doesn’t have enough resource to make more models. The fan explanations are all deflections.

[@pubcle]

I like to HC that it's because the Rebellion didn't have enough resources to field anything more and it was an all or nothing fight for them so they just stuck them in there and hoped for the best.

[@Irfan87]

As a scifi fan, Star Wars has probably the most fan explanations ive seen for everything, and its almost primarily to explain the poorly thought out concepts or plot holes. Hell there's even fans tryna explain the pointless twirling between Obi Wan and Anakin.

[@justin2308]

@@Irfan87 It’s honestly the best method I’ve seen, especially in cases where the writers don’t care at all about the mistakes or trying to explain them.

[@FischerFilmStudio]

I always assumed that GR-75’s were meant to fulfill the role of Ironclads. They’re meant to dish out a decent amount of firepower, but are mainly meant to get close to enemy ships and draw fire from capital ships. It is one of the most heavily armored ships so it would do well at this. Hell, if the hanger is big enough you could even pull of boarding actions with it.

[@danielhaire6677]

The Droid Control ship was mainly a modified Trade Federation heavy super-transport modified for droid combat operations So it was good at its designed role - command and control. The GR-75 wasn't really a capital ship as an overly used and modified medium bulk transport. They were even used as anti-Star Destroyed kamikaze ship loaded with explosives back in the old RoTJ novelization from the 1980's. The ISD's biggest weakness was being overly designed to support the Tarkin Doctrine and didn't take into account any lesson painfully learned during the Clone Wars about fighter warfare. Hence the lack of decent point defense The Mandator-IV wasn't really a bad design so much as it was an overly specialized design - heavy fire support and saturation bombardment. I mean beyond its big orbital bombardment cannons, it only had 26 dedicated point defense cannons and 1-2 squadrons of TIEs vs the Resurgent class' 2 full wings (6 squadrons per) of fighters plus over 40 dedicated point defense turrets on a smaller hull. The Resurgent class' weakness - Hux's ego.

[@carldooley9344]

so, we could say that the gr-75 is a fleet tender, and the lack of them in the last jedi was why the rebel fleet was running on fumes?

[@Stormcastlecomics]

LOL, best comment

[@callan7468]

Good idea other than Disney is shit at Star Wars.

[@anonymouspotato1082]

Okay most of these aren’t even the capital ships for their respective factions. The rebels main ships are the Mon Cala ships, and the First Orders is the Reusrgence-Class Star Destroyed.

[@wouter-jansen]

Exactly, he just grabbed random ships from each faction. The empire's capital ship is indeed the ISD, but the federation's capital ship is a munificent class star frigate. The rebellion's capital ship is an mc80 and the first order capital ship is the resurgent class star destroyer.

[@davidlewis5312]

@@wouter-jansen and apparently he felt the need to grab a bulk hauler for the rebellion and call it a capital ship *shrug*

[@j0nkus268]

It was probably more the one you think of when you think of the faction

[@d0pep3nguin27]

@@wouter-jansen actually he chooses the worst capital ships of all the factions and also the munificent is not a capital ships just as the transport ship wasn’t one. The Lucrehulk is also a mainstay capital ship of the Confedracy, and I would say it is indeed worse than the Providence so it would be the worse of the CIS capital ships. And again he isn’t choosing the capital ship of the factions, he choosing the worse capital ship from the selection that each faction has and then compares them

[@GamingDualities]

its a smart content farm. his video si some some1 else background music from some1 else... easy way to get that youtube money I guess

[@dankermeems954]

Is this a mistake because the gr75 is most definitly not a capital ship, it may have the length but otherwise it has no similarities to other capital ships esspecially in the rebellion.The Mon calimari ships are a good example of a rebellion capital ship.

[@rosie8059]

The GR75 is literally just a transport ship. The only reason the rebels ever use it as a capital ship (which it isn't) is because it's a *rebellion*, it's not like they have anything else.

[@TheCaptainNick]

It's a list of the worst, that's why he chose it.

[@TylerMatthewHarris]

Haha! Love the sponsor

[@aidengross2721]

Eckhartsladder: *sees imperial ship “NEEDS MORE LASERS!”

[@XiahouDun1225]

The GR-75 is a logistics vessel. Unless you don't think the military uses trucks for the army, or tankers for the navy... :\

[@cruallassar7428]

They do, but they don't put those trucks and tankers in active battle scenarios.

[@iipixel8607]

I think the Dreadnought class ship in The Last Jedi is a beast of a ship and is very menacing looking but it does have major flaws. 1 x-wing took out all of it's upper surface canons which is a major vulnerability, and it has a main core that is in the open and susceptible to resistance bomber ships. It is essentially like having a giant self destruct button on the face of the ship.

[@NickAndriadze]

I agree about the design. In my opinion it looks amazing.

[@andyrihn1]

It’d be cool if the GR-75 was shown carrying fighters on external racks similar to the Gozanti. That’d be pretty effective for older fighters like Delta-7s or Eta-2s or even stolen Imperial fighters like V-wings and TIEs

[@waffle-jy5yf]

V-wings were republic fighters, the TIE replaced them

[@andyrihn1]

CryoFox the Republic just started using them at the end of the Clone Wars and they were the standard Imperial fighter for years afterward

[@Hust91]

Or just a shit-ton of automated torpedoes. Once the enemy gets close, designate targets in range, dump them into space on spread trajectories and activate them all at once.

[@Liur.]

I heard Ariana doesn't like sand tho, it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.

[@mr.shadow8812]

I was wondering were was the venator class from the republic and then I remember this is about the worsts ones :v

[@mccpcorn2000]

I'd say the Mandator IV in TLJ was woefully misused. It's intended as mobile artillery, to be screened by other ships and star fighters as it picks on enemy capital ship formations from extreme range. From a planetary assault perspective I think its main function is to puncture planetary shields - a lesson I think learned from the Hoth attack, but a lesson learned the wrong way as you explain in your video on that battle. Rather than employ better tactics they just built a new warship. Hubris cost the First Order its dreadnought in TLJ - they simply weren't expecting a strike of the type Poe led.

[@god8483]

mccpcorn2000 I think the Mandator IV is more of a space battle weapon than ground assault. Poe called it a “fleet killer,” implying it had the power to deal devastating amounts of damage to ships easily. I think it’s intended more as a extremely powerful glass cannon, using it’s giant guns to take out enemy flagships and capital ships, relying on surrounding Resurgent class destroyers to protect it.

[@littlechickeyhudak]

Exactly. They used their most physically imposing ship, thinking they would just scare off the pitiful resistance. I'm writing a sci-fi/first contact story currently, and at one point as humans are joining this alien race in the galaxy, they realize they need a galactic police force. They opt for ships that appear to be very powerful, dangerous, and badass, while sacrificing a lot of functionality. They figure that if the fleet looks badass enough, it should deter crime to begin with. Later, though, an intergalactic war breaks out. Without a proper military, humanity's contribution to the defense of the galaxy is their police force, and the attacking extraterrestrials take advantage of the large design flaws to decimate most of the fleet

[@heyitsdino3270]

The Imperial II is not bad it’s just that it’s not suited for the fighting style of the Rebels, if it was against opponents like the Separatists, it would be far more effective.

[@danielboyas7645]

Not really. The CIS are just like the rebels they extensively use large amounts of star fighters like hundreds at a time. As long as the stay out of weapons range and just hang back the star fighters will eventually bring down the star destroyers

[@ParanoidAlaskan]

Daniel Boyas well, there’s also a problem with that as the mainstay CIS star fighter, the Vulture droid, was designed for short engagements and ran out of fuel quickly. I am also unsure wether or not the Hyena Bomber has the same fuel problems as it was heavily based off of the vulture.

[@blazethegryphon9990]

The CIS are KNOWN for vulture spam, the amount of agile, unmanned fighters would have been almost as effective as the rebel tactics, just in higher quantities.

[@blazethegryphon9990]

James Pennington The vultures could still easily reach far away targets, the fuel issue was mostly for long firefights, a strong first strike is still very lethal.

[@phsycresconquest6636]

The Mandator has all the same problems that the Yamato did. The Yamato could slag anything within gun range, but it didn’t have adequate fighter protection meaning that instead of a floating fortress it became a floating target. It has all the same problems the ISD had but in a much more glaring manner because of its huge size.

[@yeetyeet5079]

The Yamato had like 160 aa guns when it was destroyed but it was just unsupported and used improperly

[@phsycresconquest6636]

@@yeetyeet5079 adequate fighter protection meaning both AA guns and Planes in the air supporting it.

[@yeetyeet5079]

@@phsycresconquest6636 yes it was made to fit into larger fleets including carriers where it would help provide aa fire and help destroy battleships and large carriers

[@chickenbeanburritolover1312]

May be they use the gr75 for hyper space raming

[@llexades.387]

Gaming Legends LMAO

[@nicholasgillogly6448]

The hyperdrives and fuel would be WAY to expensive, especially for the alliance. Even the first order couldnt sustain that strategy

[@theawakeningofjohnnynewsom9072]

AAAAAAAAYYYYYY LMAO

[@DanielSan1776]

Gaming Legends *chuckles*

[@Movie-comparisons]

Ekharts ladder how is the gr75 transport a capital ship it's a transport

[@lukeskywalkr6079]

Eck: GR-25 is capital ship Me: I’m going to go commit coffin dance now

[@canadious6933]

I saw a star destroyer in the video about "worst ships". *TRIGGERED!*

[@andyb1653]

Mr Hand: Fair enough, but Eck is 100% correct about the ISD2's bridge and deflector shields. Also, the Mandator IV was taken out by ONE X-WING and a single obsolete bomber, this is fact. That's a dealbreaker in my books. An 8-km battleship should be a LITTLE more durable. Also it looked silly.

[@hairypancake]

Was the Executor being taken out by a single A-wing also a deal breaker?

[@andyb1653]

hairypancake: Sort of, yeah. Eck mentioned the exposed bridge on the Star Destroyer series was (one of) it's biggest weak points, and the Executor obviously suffered from this. However, it could be argued that the ship "survived" the A-Wing; the A-Wing just caused a temporary (maybe) loss of helm control. Crashing into the death star at full throttle killed the Executor. Other battles show how tough an Executor-class is to kill, unless you can score that critical hit. The Mandator IV just has a giant glowing bull's eye at its center of mass. You could kill it with a space suit and a DL-44. Edit: the Executor also looks really, really good. The Mandator is an 8000m slice of durasteel pizza with a few piddly PD guns, and a couple cannons from a Warhammer 40k Battleship stuck on the underside.

[@onlypeaceindeath]

"Eck mentioned the exposed bridge on the Star Destroyer series was (one of) it's biggest weak points" Considering that every ship in Star Wars has its bridge in relatively explosed positions, it could be considered a weakpoint for all capital ships.

[@hairypancake]

I've always hated the idea of a "bridge" on ships honestly, the Covenant are the only ones to get it right by putting it in the center of the ship.

[@psyoperator58]

Do you even know what a capital ship is my man

[@maihujpynis2988]

you're crudely edgy my man

[@thomasgray4188]

Mandator IV: I'm a drednought *Has no anti capital ship weapons and a huge weak spot* HMS Drednought: am I a joke to you?

[@boldaphidgaming9089]

USS Texas: I’m better than you both, deal with it.

[@lenkagamine4145]

most dreadnoughts had large weak spots because they were mostly unarmored save for the citadel. The lack of anti capital ship weaponry on the other hand makes it more of a gunboat (coastal bombardment ship).

[@godzilla5006]

Could Godzilla Earth invade Starkiller base please. 100th try.

[@rhorynotmylastname7781]

Probably not

[@timbartschwolfman]

Godzilla Earth First Order wouldn't stand a chance

[@Solaxe]

get lost

[@bignigga2238]

Rory O'Brien oh come on you know Godzilla wreaks anything and everything

[@Zadrias6386]

Godzilla Earth omg yes that would be epic

[@vinwjya]

If you are talking about the worst capital ship then why you use the gr75 for the rebel the gr75 is not a capital ship

[@ashandtodd]

Even though this is 2 years old the GR75 is a transport and the Mandator IV dreadnaught is as you can tell by the name a dreadnaught

[@aurorathearcticwolf4243]

HOW THE HELL DOES A TRANSPORT FALL UNDER THE CAPITAL SHIP CLASS!?!?!?!?

[@Spartan155]

I mean if you use one as a capital ship for some reason. I don't know why they use them as frigates so often lol

[@chengzhou8711]

GR75 are not a capital ship at all: the comparison in very malformed

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Yes, a capital ship should probably define only cruisers, fleet carriers and dreadnoughts.

[@tigersebel]

i think also frigates could fit the role. like the nebulon b.

[@andyb1653]

Space Van =/= capital ship

[@chrissonofpear3657]

I guess frigates and corvettes should probably be defined as escort and support ships...

[@andyb1653]

Seems raisin-able.

[@TheNotoriousLARGE]

The GR-75 'transport' is obviously originally intended as a transport vessel, I would say the Rebels used them in battle because they were outnumbered by the Empire and needed every gun they could use. The Dreadnought on the other hand is a waste of space, resources, and time, it's a complete joke of a ship. I think the two should swap places on this list

[@megablazepr3603]

Im pretty sure the GR-75 was uniquely made to carry extra fuel and resources into the battle in case they were needed. But you also make a very valid point: the Rebels were pretty desperate.

[@yeetyeet5079]

The dreadnought was specialized as long range artillery so if it was used properly and defended it would be devestating

[@rabidcorndog]

I have two main problems here: 1) Capital Ship discussion which discussed GR75's and not MC80's. 2) Identified ISD2's lack of point defense (like TF Ships) but completely ignored the fact that ISD2's carried Gozanti Cruisers and as many as 72 TIE/ln's or TIE Interceptors, yet still made it seem like a solo ISD was without support. Militarized MC80's made the forceful keel of the Rebel Fleet, where the bulk was comprised of Nebulon-B's and Corellian Corvettes. Liberty and Independence Type MC80's (and the very hard-punching cousin, the MC30c) had focus on shield strength and anti-shield weaponry, making them a strong contender for at least most durable capital ships in Star Wars. ISD2's operated without a supporting fleet because they carried a small support fleet with them. Particularly when the ISD was first created and T-65's were less common, the TIE/ln was more than capable of fighting the Rebellion fighters, even while outnumbered (which rarely happened). After the widespread utilization of the T-65, which were superior to the TIE/ln in maneuverability, defense, and weaponry, the Empire turned to the TIE Interceptor and TIE Phantom. Interceptors soon replaced TIE/ln's on ISD's solely because the ISD would operate without a support fleet. If you want to focus on the ISD's most significant weakness, you have to focus on it's greatest strength: it's shape. The triangular design of the hull was purposed to allow the ship to bring both sides of the ship's weaponry to bear on a target directly in front. This also means that by flanking, you reduce the firepower against you by half, like with almost all other capital ships, but by flanking to the rear, due to the sloped positioning and close positioning of the main battery guns, the ISD could only bring its ventral or dorsal extremity turbolasers to bear. That combined with limited turning radius due to lack of differential thrust, you have yourself a major weakness.

[@charles07km83]

The X-Wing is better than the Tie/ln in atmosphere but in space the Tie is better

[@danieleddie2873]

@@charles07km83 X-Wing is always better, due to shields and hyper drive, however rebel pilots were often poorly trained while to become a tie fighter pilot was hard-earned honor

[@charles07km83]

@@danieleddie2873 Yeah, but the x wings and the tie were made to different roles the X Wings pilots were trained to be lone Wolfs able to jump to the hyperspace alone if was necessary meanwhile the Tie pilots were trained to be a wolfpack, also the titanium armor of the Tie work as a shield

[@CommissarTommy22]

Anyone else get triggered when seeing the words "Worst Ship" with a silhouette of a Lucrehulk under it?

[@CommissarTommy22]

To be honest if your ship can get blind sided by an Acclamator like in Republic Commando then it may be time to go back to the drawing board

[@trinova9581]

CommissarTommy22 Eh, it’s not necessarily inaccurate. As a carrier, the Lucrehulk is great. However, the Lucrehulk’s shape means that only a small portion of its armament can be fired at any one target at any given time. So even though later Clone Wars-era models were heavily armed, the fire arcs of the emplacements meant that only a small number of those batteries could fire at any given target. This is where the triangular design of the Star Destroyer is actually superior as it allows almost every weapon battery to fire straight ahead at a single target.

[@CommissarTommy22]

Very true, there's no doubt that the Star Wars universe has way better designed ships that a Lucrehulk but it's design is such a departure from the usual tube, oblong or triagle design of others it just stands out from the crowd

[@tigerlilly4712]

I heard something along the lines that they automated GR75s, filled them with ordinance and used them to ram enemy ships.

[@grantavakjan6019]

It kind of was disproved during final battle in Rogue One.

[@darthvader4594]

Can u do video on captain cannady?

[@Garbage223]

Darth Vader u

[@Galvars]

The Ballad of the last competent officer in Empire.

[@raghuvarv]

Yes. Nice to see that someone else liked him.

[@withmuckguy3362]

100th like

[@sc_art5408]

Yes! I would love that! Captain Moden Canady is probably the best First Order Officer. If Tarix was still part of the First Order, Canady would be second on my list.

[@mossj52]

Not sure a GR-75 transport is a capital ship...a capital ship denotes importance. Battlecruisers, Battleships, Carriers. Those are capital ships. You wouldn’t call a Henry J. Kaiser class vessel a capital ship in the US Navy.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

If EVERYTHING is a capital ship, what's the point of having any support ships? I think some dated RPG rule from the 90s need not be fully binding here...

[@mossj52]

Let’s calm your hormones and just go with Canon vessels shall we? Legends would be too easy. Rebel Capital Ships include: MC: 80, MC 75, Marsheem Heavy Cruiser, Quasar-Fire Carrier, Nebulon-B. Combat capable Ships that aren’t capital ships: CR-90, CR-70, DP-20, Pelta Class, Sphyrna Class The GR-75 is a transport. A support ship. Not a capital ship. No decent commander would take them into battle unless they absolutely had no other option, or a strategy for actually using them. The Rebels waste them needlessly.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsp3110]

+John Moss OMG YOU LITERALLY JUST MADE UP NAMES WITH NUMBERS AND LETTERS MIXED IN YOU FUCKING TARD I WASNT BORN YESTERDAY I BET IF I LOOKED THESE UP NOTHING WOULD SHOW UP YOU IDIOT IM NOT EVEN GONNA LOOK IT UP CAUSE I KNOW YOURE WRONG XD LIKE OMG STOP BEING A TARD YOU LOSER XD

[@mossj52]

Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man That’s okay, I don’t need you to look it up. I know I’m right, anyone who’s willing to do about 2 minutes of research would know I’m right. and I don’t need TO WRITE IN ALL CAPS TO GET MY POINT ACROSS!!! Seriously, if you’re going to criticize something at least either be knowledgeable on the matter, or have the sources to back it up. Go crawl back into your cave, troll.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsp3110]

+John Moss OMG Im not a troll youre the troll its haters like you that elected trump how about you stop pretending to be a star wars fan and making shit up youre stupid. Go crawl back to your cave troll 😂😂😂😂

[@NordicCarved]

I just love the wording of 8:51 "Yes if you destroy it, your Droid Army may stop working." As if we all have Droid Armies.

[@100_American_Bison]

Spartans (Halo) vs N7 (Mass Effect) and UNSC Marines (Halo) vs System Alliance Marines (Mass Effect)

[@hairypancake]

Spartans are just better in every way except for weaponry, I don't think ME weaponry would make up for that big of a different in strength. Alliance marines would probably win out with their advanced tech over regular UNSC marines though.

[@bignigga2238]

hairypancake doesent matter since N7 is involved Shepard would just romance everyone

[@mariobadia4553]

Richard Sanchez He'd buttfuck everyone male or female.

[@bignigga2238]

Mario Badia nahhhhh anal is trash

[@lupinearsenalALT]

"Capital ship" *facepalm*

[@MegaMerlin96]

I bet the Tantive IV is considered a dreadnought

[@briancool8038]

I always found it funny that the rebels never attempted to upgrade the GR75 with at least a couple more laser turrets to at least make it a transport/anti starfighter ship. Four turrets is decent if you're working for a corporation and want to scare off pirates, I suppose, but if you're trying to rebel, give those things a couple more turrets so it won't be cannon fodder!

[@warwolf3005]

Gr 75 have sensor jammers, so they can be efficient in electronic warfare.

[@JohanSkotkonung]

Notification squad my dude

[@youshouldgetamotorbike8892]

You talking about the lack of defence for the imperial star destroyers is like saying an aircraft carrier would suck against a battleship🤦‍♂️how many tie fighters are docked in that imperial star destroyer? Enough to make adequate defence against enemy fighters

[@maarten9272]

Not if those tie fighters suck major ass.

[@lenkagamine4145]

aircraft carriers have anti air defenses too, they dont rely entirely on their interceptors for all anti-aircraft usage that would be absurd. and also he's talking about its defenses against enemy fighters. where the heck is the battleship in this scenario?

[@tea4life430]

@@lenkagamine4145 even then the star destroyer was very efficient at ship to ship combat

[@tragedyplustime8271]

@@maarten9272 Another common misconception. TIE fighters were some of the most feared starfighters in the galaxy, remember how they took down so many X Wings in the OT while they had shields? And if you read any of the books the Rebels considered the TIE fighter one of the most dangerous fighters of the era.

[@maarten9272]

@@tragedyplustime8271 Yes, the books. In the original source material, which is what I go by, the tie fighter was both underpowered, unshielded, had a short battery life and no life support. If 5 tie fighters are lost for every x wing, and the rebel capital ship has more fighers then you're guaranteed to lose.

[@spamviking]

In defence of the the Mandator IV, I'd compare it to a railway gun from WW1 and WW2; it's very good at doing one thing and not much else. I'd hazard a guess the purpose of using it rather than a half dozen SDs is that it could probably overload planetary shields on its own in the opening barage, or fire right through a fleet from standoff distance with its shots tearing through all but the largest of capital ships forcing the opposing fleet to close in to engage with its escorting SD, possibly leaving whatever they were protecting open to a flanking attack, or scatter and lose the benefit of overlapping fields of fire. I'd say the First Order needed it to break sieges on planets quickly rather than have them drawn out into months of blockades tying up whole fleets.

[@legolaven]

7:26 is it FREE real estate tho?

[@Kalenz1234]

The weakness of the Star Destroyers you mentioned is offset by them carrying several fighter squadrons.

[@lucas10104]

I don’t think you can actually say that you can do anything the Mandator could do with a bunch of star destroyers. If the mandator has been active during the Last Jedi, the resistance fleet would have been destroyed. Yeah, it’s not as useful in all scenarios, but it’s role seems to be long-range bombardment and, in space conflict, essentially sniping. In that role, it would likely work very well.

[@blancacarrizales9807]

This man actually forgot to add the super "star destroyer"

[@Raven1024]

My issue is that the GR75s weren't used as capital ships...they were used as support for capital ships. Badly but still not used as capital vessels. They were another part of the fleet. Being in the fleet and kinda physically big compared to a fighter doesn't make it a capital ship. Same reason a CR90 Corvette wouldn't be a capital ship, of even a Nebulon-B Frigate. It's part of the support fleet yeah, but it's a frigate, not a capital vessel. GR75s were used more as a frigate level vessel at best.

[@elijahsellers3727]

Lucrehulk vessels were also legendary for their heavy shields. The model in question was a fairly early iteration, focusing mostly on concealing it's weapons as they were illegal at the time the Invasion of Naboo. It did have major issues, but it does at least have somewhat of an excuse.

[@noelgusler4812]

You also have to remember that ISD’s weren’t made to fight the rebellion but the Yuuzhan Vong, the needs for the design were different, granted it obviously doesn’t cover all the flaws of the ship

[@csiguy08]

I’m sorry, if the GR75 is a capital ship then pop tarts are breakfast ravioli

[@billyjoellivealbums8654]

“The ludicrously overexposed bridge generators!”

[@CaaaaamOnYT]

Just isn’t what he said but ok

[@nathanzhao1219]

*sees ISD II on list* Ah you’re poking fun at the Imperial engineers who “forgot” to add quad laser cannons to the design.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Well, I STILL tend to think they have SOME light lasers somewhere, going by screen caps and frames from the Empire Strike's Back, Falcon chase. The fan made TIE Fighter anime also shows what those light lasers probably looked like, unless those are another turbolaser variation.

[@nathanzhao1219]

I find it unrealistic for the ISD II to have no point defense system. It probably has some light laser cannons, but not enough to deal with a squadron of starfighters. That’s probably why ISD IIs have a compliment of starfighters.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Sources listing torpedoes appear to be rather RARE, and I think are usually variants or upgrades.

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Also, this fan forum was a great set of discussions about the ISD 2, which first pointed out the 'bunker' idea for the light guns: www.rancorpit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=495

[@chrissonofpear3657]

Maybe, but the only source I recall mentioning warheads prominently was X-Wing vs Tie Fighter and the Dark Empire Sourcebook (for Alliance ISDs)

[@adam6620]

A couple things about the Mandator and the First Order ships, the Sequel Trilogy has a “bigger is better” concept and the Mandator is like the USS Vengeance from Star Trek: Into Darkness, it’s mainly for making a statement rather than serving a practical purpose.

[@atlasproductions9933]

4:56 I just realized if the dreadnought blew up the resistance cruiser the rebels would Have no where to go

[@ToxapeTV]

What about the Republic?!?!

[@seangallagher9435]

At first I thought the gr 75 was just used cause they had nothing else, but now I’m thinking and yeah, why use a sitting duck in battles just to be blown up. In this case using nothing is better than using these civilian ships, which can’t fight and waste lived

[@johnroberts5081]

8:40 is where the ranking starts

[@mastermickman4388]

All ships present at the battle of coruscant (or just the Republic ones) vs the byss fleet during shadow hand

[@Funkography]

Master Mickman Dew it!!!

[@gunnarswanson9438]

I feel like the problems with the ISD aren't necessarily with the ship itself (except of course things like the bridge), but more how incompetent officers in the Empire use them. The Imperial-Class was a very well-rounded design in terms of ship-to-ship combat and supplies and starfighter carrying capabilities. The the star destroyers could dish out swarms of TIE fighters along with a few more specialized variants like bombers and interceptors, instead of using point-defense cannons. This in turn allows for more space to be taken up by anti-warship turbolaser cannons to decimate any ships that are used as support for the starfighters by the rebels. However, the many very arrogant officers in the Imperial Navy thought that the Alliance Navy was so below them that there was no need to worry about their starfighters, which resulted in criminal under-use of the TIE fighters at their disposal, and an over-reliance on much to big and cumbersome turbolaser cannons. That's just my assessment, though.

[@nglf3040]

Give me one GR75 Transport, and i take the whole galaxy for you.

[@rolfgrell4783]

Make this a Galactic Versus episode: STAR WARS 2M Saber tank vs. HALO M808Skorpion tank(whatever type you want) vs. COMMAND AND CONQUER GDI Mammoth MK III I'd love to see which of theese tanks comes out on top.

[@JimbobHarrigan1984]

Add the Baneblade from 40k to that and that would be interesting

[@josephahner3031]

Mammoth mk 3 mounts more firepower than the other two combined and that's before the railguns upgrade. The Baneblade stands no chance. Honestly the tanks from 40k are kind of ridiculously impractical and horribly designed. The only area where 40k lacks in ridiculous overpowered everything is in armored ground vehicles ironically enough.

[@rolfgrell4783]

I must say, the MK3 is really powerful. It outclasses almost every unit of Nod.

[@JimbobHarrigan1984]

Baneblade, eleven barrels of hell

[@МахамбетМамыров]

BANEBLAAAAAADE!!!

[@lorenzovonmatterhorn7402]

Dude i know im a year late but thats so nice of you to put the dude in the start of the video. Just found your channel few days ago. Ton of respect man.

[@cielopachirisu929]

Mandator IV. No excuse for being so poorly defended and optimized. At least the others had in-lore reasons. Also partly out of spite for the Disney canon, reasons self-demonstrating

[@Trevor-ig1cj]

Which Sci-Fi Faction has the Best Intelligence Agency?(Halo, Imperials, Rebels, Warhammer, whichever)

[@Trevor-ig1cj]

Internet Zen Master yeah but any faction from that universe is fine, I just want to see some the ways these universes acquire information

[@morelstrike]

Eldar, not only they have eyes everywhere, they have visions and prophecies to guide them so they can react to treat that isnt there yet.

[@reggierattler7253]

It's also worth metioning that in the Star Wars Lore, the Lucrehulk Class Ships where built to be frieght carriers, and the Trade Federation modified them to be used as battleships and droid command centers. In other words, Lucrehulks were not ment to be used as battleships, but the Sepratist made it work, and they did a good job at it.

[@Comradetau1]

The flood vs orks from 40k 12th atempt

[@catmani2]

Is that really much of a fight? Sure, the orks are numerous but that is just more food for the flood. I mean, the orks have nothing that could deal with the flood. The Forerunners would have pawned the orks with little effort and even they got thoroughly defeated by the flood.

[@Comradetau1]

catmani2 The trick is that we dont know If flood can use ork tech. And I would say that orks breed quicker than The flood

[@hairypancake]

Orks literally work on "it works if you believe hard enough" so it's a total crapshoot of what they could or couldn't do in that situation. They're also fungus/spore based so the Flood would never fully get rid of them short of destroying the planet they're on.

[@georgewagner1564]

Otto Honkasalo the flood gain all the capabilities of the host which is what makes them so dangerous and why the forrunnners constructed the halo rings

[@georgewagner1564]

Absolute Heretic all the flood need is a host with sufficient biomass

[@wilbertbw]

GR75 is a transport right so it doesn't need a lot of weapons

[@곰돌슨]

I think the star destroyer designs were not deeply considered with space fights when they were created. The movie directors simply made traditional battleship design on a triangular hull and made it fly. Considering space fights are three dimensional fight with no up and down direction, having main turrets only on its upper deck is a design flaw. Even ww2 era bombers have dorsal defense machine guns even they do have up and down direction. In space, fleets can encounter upside down toward each other. Star destroyers cannot fire main cannons at half of the angle. This is even a bigger problem considering some of them function as landing vessle. The original republic era star destroyers actually land on surface and deploy troops. This means the ship gives fire support on the destination until they land there, clearing out the landing spot and near areas. But they cannot shoot downwards. When they are in the air for bombardment, the ships can flip and shoot up at the ground because they have their own in-ship gravity system, but fire support when landing is still impossible since the ships are not gonna land upside down.

[@yaboijardo2319]

Mom calamari cruisers seem much more likely as a capital ship they are large well designed for taking down shields and very well shielded. Whether their being the designated capitol ship is cannon or not they are a much better candidate

[@lenkagamine4145]

they're all capital ships. he's specifically picking the worst capital ship. Mon calamari cruisers are fantastic, and therefore, they are not the worst.

[@anastronautzimmerman5353]

Can you pls do The Combine vs The Galactic Empire?

[@clevererheart9512]

EckhartsLadder: **Doesn’t mention the Republic** 90% of the population: *I ACCUSE YOU OF TREASON AGAINST THE GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC!!!*

[@FirstNameLastName-wo7li]

The rebels have the worst ships and the worst troops. Realistically they should not have won the way that they did. We just needed Heroes to beat the villains right?

[@FirstNameLastName-wo7li]

Fapman CZ putting aside the whole Stormtroopers can't hit anything jokes. Um yes very much so.