Which Superhero Villain Should [Not] Be President (Or World Ruler)?

[@Theokal3]

Fun fact about Red Skull, there's actually a french parody sketch where Red Skull accuses Captain America of calling him a nazi without any proof, much in the same way nowadays Neonazi defend themselves. Cap then proceeds to point out all the obvious things that indicate he's a Nazi (him having Swastica on his wall, him openly calling himself a nazi in an interview, his portrait of Hitler on the wall...) only for Red Skull to each time dismiss them by providing blatantly false excuse. At the end, Cap begrudgingly pretends to recognize he was too harsh calling him a Nazi.... and then kicks his ass anyway because as he points out, Nazi or not, Red Skull still is a supevillain hellbent on world domination.

[@xtron1234]

What's the name of that? That sounds hilarious. And very true! Edit: I just realized how that sounded. I mean in the sense that even if Red Skull was provably, in court, hand of God, swear-on-your-life not a Nazi. He's still a horrible person that should be stopped.

[@Moxilock]

Isn't this also the plot of a SolidJJ video?

[@--CHARLIE--]

​@@Moxilock If it isn't, it should be. That sounds perfectly down his alley.

[@Theokal3]

@@Moxilock wouldn't know, I don't follow that guy's videos.

[@Theokal3]

@@xtron1234 Marvel Comique (warning, it's in french). It's a KZbin Channel here. And yes, it's hilarious. And don't worry I know what you meant :p

[@jvts8916]

What's even funnier about Ambassador Joker is that the reasoning kinda got walked back. In that story, the reason he gave is that they both hate America. He would eventually refuse to work with nazis because he's American. Then again, self-deprecation isn't exactly rare in the US.

[@PrincessOzaline]

Honestly the whole gag he had with Red Skull worked better with mobsters in the Rocketeer. I would think if he objected to Nazis it'd be because they're so self-serious and into control and order rather than cause he's such a proud American.

[@calemr]

And later he would work with Bruno, a neo-nazi woman with swastika tattoos on her tits and ass. Why yes, she Was created by Frank Miller, how did you guess?

[@CuteKiller313]

At the end of the day Joker just does whatever he thinks is funny. He probably wouldn't want to live under any sort of authoritarian regime if it would mean he'd just get executed rather than sent through the escape from Arkham revolving door process.

[@jamesricker3997]

The Joker might be Jewish, as a tribute to the creators of both him and Batman

[@carpedm9846]

"Arent you evil?" Loki: as a joke! Its called being a heel, look up a theatre class.

[@LOBricksAndSecrets]

He's the god of mischief, not the god of evil

[@Mr.Adequate]

@@LOBricksAndSecrets Still evil though.

[@BaWitda]

Loki wants to take over Asgard, but he doesn't really want to rule Asgard.

[@Sirhc_B8207]

Loki just knows that life is about the journey, not the destination

[@calemr]

I think an important thing to remember about Doom is: He knows Hell is real. He's been there. He's suffered it's torments (In silence, at that). And when you consider that, the fact he knows that "Sin" will get you cast into endless torment, within the Marvel cosmology: His desire to make an absolute police surveillance state becomes pretty understandable. The only way to save people from that unimaginable horror that he Knows exists is to ensure they never, Ever, commit those crimes. And he knows that in creating such a world, he dooms himself. And he accepts that. He will guarantee his soul goes to hell, if it saves others from that fate. And what hero has ever made a sacrifice on that scale?

[@darkartsdabbler2407]

I don’t think that’s argument holds up People can still be good or evil in a police state. It being harder to commit crimes doesn’t mean people are morally good on the inside

[@dotofbutter5308]

​@@darkartsdabbler2407but what gets people into hell? The act or the intent? Doom's taking a gamble on it being the act and if he's right then good job(?) If he's wrong then there's still less crime.

[@Houtont]

That's an interesting angle actually.

[@sinistertwister686]

It's an interesting take, I'm not sure though if it was ever presented this way in the comic books. But it does raise an important question: can you force someone into heaven? Can you drag humanity to the Peraly Gates, kicking and screaming all the way up here?

[@MisterPeckingOrder]

But there’s also paradise futures in Marvel that achieve the same thing without a police state, both a good natured Doom and a future Reed Richards have achieved this, and a police state doesn’t mean no crime, just that the existing crime receives no mercy.

[@danielhuelsman76]

I want to see an election between Loki, Magneto, and Doctor Doom. I don't even know how that would be possible, but it might have good debates with compelling choices to make.

[@mikomakowski7907]

I feel like magneto would be the most likable for preaching about equality Actually no considering todays landscape somehow preaching for equality is “woke” and a bad thing /sar

[@dotofbutter5308]

​@@mikomakowski7907why /sar, people seriously believe that and put leaders who share those beliefs in charge /srs

[@DarthTekkenfan97]

I’d vote for doom

[@magicalwerewolfdeathrobot]

glory to latveria!!

[@jonathancampbell5231]

Journalist: "Dr Doom, how do you respond to accusations that you have used magic and mind-control gas to take over the world and that this election is a sham?" Doom: "Baseless slander. Hail Doom." Magneto: "Baseless slander. Hail Doom." Loki: "Baseless slander. Hail Doom." Journalist: "Well, there you have it folks. Baseless slander. Hail Doom."

[@Shellshock39]

Lol. A lot of Latveria Ambassadors in the comments.

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

Ture

[@astrogirlsarah]

Dead latveria theory, they've got to be doombots

[@Terminalsanity]

@astrogirlsarah I don't think so Doombots like Doom himself type in all caps... I'm guessing Latvarians from various versions of Latvaria throughout he multiverse have descended here to praise their leader... half out legitimate appreciation the other half out of compulsory dictate by Doom himself.

[@redraider9547]

Of course doom is the best leader so of course he’d have the best Ambassadors on speed dial to defend his rule when questioned! (I’m joking)

[@lavender317]

I genuinely thought it would have been a really neat idea if Loki actually did a better job at ruling than Odin It would have been a much more interesting moral dilemma if he had tricked his way into the throne unjustly but then turned out to be a really good king I love Ragnarok but I wish they didn't just immediately solve the Loki situation right at the beginning, there was a lot of potential there

[@bthsr7113]

Frankly, I'd have given more to Thor's comrades given how much of a nothing in the film they were. And while only offhand, Thor does mention that the 7 realms the movies don't seriously care about are in disarray and that instability is spreading, implying Loki neglected foreign relations to focus on enjoying his reign, and it was about to backfire. So he wasn't that good of a ruler.

[@cherrypopscile3385]

Obviously, it's Darksied. Reason: He's honest about his intentions, he has leadership experience, And he's very goal oriented.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

So you can end up like one of those simps "let me help you master" after super man whoops his azz? hahahaha

[@theextracrispycolonel9502]

​@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 there's no reasoning with him now. Clearly, Darkseid found the Anti-Life equation and is using it.

[@Terminalsanity]

@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 What? They are merely acknowledging the lone truth the of the universe: that all that exists only exists to ultimately serve Darkseid even that oppose almighty Darkseid only do so that he may use their destruction to further illustrate that very point... loneliness + alienation + fear + despair + self-worth ÷ mockery ÷ condemnation ÷ misunderstanding x guilt x shame x failure x judgment n=y where y=hope and n=folly, love=lies, life=death, self=dark side

[@thathero5953]

He rules over people who are… immortal though. He can torture them to his nonexistent heart’s content because they’ll never actually die. Other races he’s conquered aren’t so lucky.

[@adwitatherealadwita]

Obviously, it's Darkseid. Reason: He is.

[@nicwoolfe3885]

Just started and already I need to say: if Thor the Dark World just added back in some deleted scenes, stuck with the original ending where Thor & Jane broke up, and made Loki faking his death a post-credit scene, it would’ve been remembered much more fondly. It wouldn’t have fixed Malekith, but I’m talking solely what can be done by editing the film as is with the material available.

[@christianlangdon3766]

He even put rails over the bridge he fell off. Bro is paying the arts and making the place up to saftey codes.

[@thesnatcher3616]

When you said Malekith, I thought of the Elden Ring boss instead of the dark elf. I feel like everyone can agree the former is a much cooler and interesting character lol.

[@rokeYouuer]

@@thesnatcher3616 I actually really like the comic version of Malekith, but Marvel committed one of its two classic character blunders and took a fun, witty villain and made them dark and glowering (other examples being X-Men: Origins Deadpool and Taskmaster). Honestly, MCU Loki has more in common with comic Malekith than he has with comic Loki (You know, before the comics gave Loki a personality revamp to make him more similar to the movie version). Also, if you're remotely curious, the other blunder is taking a character with a unique personality and tone in the comics, but turned them into a stereotypical, sarcastic, "well that just happened" character in the movies.

[@thesnatcher3616]

@@rokeYouuer I would not be remotely surprised if that was the case. I was talking about the films depiction of Malekith though.

[@scripturalcontexts]

I'm kind of disappointed that in your discussion of Doctor Doom you didn't mention how in the 2099 universe he literally becomes president of the United States, but overall it was a fascinating discussion.

[@iammatthewdavid03]

This is so easy for me, the answer is 100 percent Doctor Doom. I would support Doom and his dramatic self as President or leader of my country.

[@TheCommentingCat]

Glory to Latveria!

[@Sebastian_Niedermeier]

By the iron will of Dr Doom!

[@Castersvarog]

From what I hear, in some comic continuities Dr.Doom does end up being a really good leader. It’s just the means to get to that are where so many issues lie.

[@Sebastian_Niedermeier]

@@Castersvarog Guy is a good leader of Latveria. Even conquers hell itself.

[@jabberoth]

Who wouldn't vote for doom fr

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

When it comes to Red Skull, all I say is "Cheers to the tin man". No version of Reed Richard should be in charge of anything.

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

ON The 1st Thing Yes ON The 2nd One NO

[@henreymichelson]

Hear me out Sue should be in charge of the FF

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

@@henreymichelson Yes, she be way better at it and has never imprisoned her friends in a hell dimension

[@mikaelamonsterland]

The Maker and 616 Reed are not the same guy in any way

[@jacklansdale77]

​@mikaelamonsterland but does that mean Reed could/should be president? Probably not.

[@emmychansuper]

I would vote Loki, at least he's sympathetic enough to let people choose their paths and watch the chaos unfold.

[@minilopgamer1950]

I think it was a genius move in the idw transformers comics, to make Starscream, the ruler of cybertron. Like making the biggest backstabbing coward the leader of post war cybertron is such a great story.

[@ИльяНедбаев-у3н]

And as he said himself he is at least a step in right direction

[@Jerome_M_0]

Magneto is the best pick. Hes has issues but the only times he fully tweaks out is when he feels his people are threatened and if he was the leader that would include me. Hes a man of the people y'know

[@nickruffin4622]

Best part is it's proven in House of M how good his administration actually is even at rooting out police corruption

[@creed8712]

@@nickruffin4622house of m is a funny example to use because it’s also the biggest argument against mutants

[@darkrai436]

Krakoa showed that Magneto -and most mutants with political skills for the matter being-, can be really corrupt and manipulative. Stuff like working with Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister, blackmailing Mystique, creating The Pit, and trying to force the Richards into giving them Franklin, really showed that mutant leaders aren't that different their human counterparts. And that's not even counting all the other things that didn't involve Charles and Erik, like Beast becoming evil.

[@Jerome_M_0]

@@darkrai436 thank you for giving me another reason to never read krakoa X-Men

[@nicovelardita8619]

​@@darkrai436 It seems like it isn't easy to keep the moral high ground when fighting against 9en0c1d£. Who would have thunk?

[@redjirachi1]

Magneto and Red Skull could theoretically run against one another for the German presidency

[@l.t.c3847]

The sad thing is these days red skull would almost certainly win

[@gregvs.theworld451]

@@l.t.c3847 Inb4 I'm not German, so I fully admit I could be off here, but I thought Germany was still (rightfully) pretty ashamed of nazis. Unfortunately I think Red Skull could believably whisper in the ear of and puppet a sitting US president if reality is any current indication.

[@redjirachi1]

@@l.t.c3847 Maybe it was unrealistic for Nazis and sex offenders to be groups even most supervillains hate.

[@l.t.c3847]

@@redjirachi1 it’s the anti progressive backlash from the trump era of “populist” conservatives. Standin magneto: I am member of *minority* and as well as making life better for everyone I would like to improve conditions for *minority* Standing redskull: ‘he’s actually evil for wanting that’ Average newsmedia consumer: ‘that second guy has a point I think”

[@everrets387]

ah we found the kamala voters

[@gg_sam7847]

Musk doing his best to be seen as a Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne just to reveal himself as a Norman Osborne always makes me smile

[@realsanmer]

Let's be frank, in our universe, Red Skull could easily seize power without instigating any war. He could just run for president and people would vote him because "he's something different!"

[@detailedanimation]

This is true and sad... We hsve real world experience.

[@ShadowmanDan]

Red is very close to orange

[@Jman92854]

Yep, a man with a red skull face could easily work in real life.

[@everrets387]

Ah we found a kamala voter

[@twinzzlers]

​@everrets387 So, someone who's smart?

[@SUNSHINE-t-m]

As soon as you started to describe Lex luthors presidency i was like... oh it's Elon Musk, he's describing elon musk

[@artyom-ovsepyan]

The difference is Lex is smart and competent enough to make his promises the reality (if he wants to). Elon, on the other hand, can’t do shit.

[@YoelSchwarz]

​@@artyom-ovsepyanand elon has hair

[@PhantomPuppy81]

@@SUNSHINE-t-m Lex actually invented things

[@jacklansdale77]

​@YoelSchwarz Much like Elon did IRL, Lex could fix that.

[@Germania9]

@YoelSchwarz Isn't Elon's hair a transplant? At least Lex is proud of his baldness.

[@nctpti2073]

Doctor Doom actually rules Latveria rather well. It is arguably the safest place on Earth, with Wakanda likely being the closest contender. They keep having to do things like have him work with Red Skull to vilify him again.

[@inky5574]

Doctor Doom. Easy answer. Cause he actually gives a damn about the country he rules and even his citizens agree that despite he's a supervillain, they still think he's a good ruler.

[@Nemo12417]

Magneto swore in God Loves, Man Kills that he would alleviate poverty and hunger not only for mutants but for humans as well, which combined with the fear of his power, would make them less likely to rise up. Machiavelli noted something similar. Clearly, Magneto should be in charge.

[@nathanl8622]

Him using Machiavellian tactics is a knock against him, not a point in his favor. Magneto is (debatably) a good choice because he's a deeply empathetic man who wants to do good, not because he's physically powerful. If he's ruling through fear, then he's failed.

[@everrets387]

You guys are crazy to pick mutant hitler as anyrhing other than dead

[@user-yw5dm4hd8k]

@everrets387 No. Just no. This is ignorant to magneto in so many ways. He still is willing to work with them, and better things for them. His children (at least Wanda) aren’t mutants. And I know for a fact he still likes wanda at least. He has innate prejudice, but if he doesn’t view it as his only real option, he won’t just start a culling.

[@user-yw5dm4hd8k]

By them I mean people just for extra clarification

[@itsuckslol7046]

Of course Dr. Doom should be president! Is that a question?

[@redman7775]

Sure, his citizens may not have as many rights as we might want, but he managed to turn a nothing country into a genuinely impessive place to live. He'd sure as hell get my vote.

[@calemr]

​@@redman7775 On the one hand, Police State with constant absolute surveillance. On the other hand, best education and healthcare in the world.

[@Mr.Monacle]

​​@@calemrHow is that different than what we have now? Way I see it, Doom's reality is just ours but better in every conceivable way. No more war, no more poverty, no more hunger, a 20 hour work week, disability rights, actual robot butlers, no more climate crisis and eventually no more disease and the only cost is continuing to live in the same society in which we *already live?* I dunno man, seems like a more than fair deal to me.

[@calemr]

@@Mr.Monacle OK, but, to understand the degrees here: Do you have a CCTV camera in each room of your home, with an A.I. clone of your country's ruler watching it 24/7? Because That's the degree of surveillance Doom wants. Absolute, total surveillance to ensure crime is Impossible. To be clear: I totally agree with you. But I just want to ensure people understand how total Doom's gaze is. Edit: And then I remember a lot of people have Alexas or whatever.

[@CuteKiller313]

Anyone that works with Henry Kissinger is not fit to be president platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/assets/4489749/kissinger_fantastic_four.jpg

[@asyme9717]

Loki's too chaotic and petty. Magneto's too one note focused entirely on mutant rights. Doom? Doom's done it, saved the world and given it up. He's a monster and a tyrant - but a very effective one. Definitely he'd be number one.

[@RaptorJesus]

Doom is the only genuine example of the "but the trains run on time" thing. Doom makes it work. Not "makes it look like it works", he *makes it work.*

[@cruzuballe8110]

So my personal favorites out of all the ones you mentioned are the heroes turned villains. Now that might sound weird but hear me out. The Maker is essentially if reed never had the love of a father, the capacity to understand social ques and so on, which is intriguing to me, cause the idea of one of our main characters being a villain somewhere in the multiverse is rather..... interesting.

[@KrazyKaiser]

Sauron should just tell spidey that the dinosaur he turns people into can't get cancer so it's better to be that way

[@invertebrado]

Doom is such a great leader, also have you heard his rap? Straight Latverian Fire (which is stronger than real fire)

[@simonshephard3834]

I mean Dormammu is not an inherently evil dark lord, he is a foreign invader to Dark Dimension and its indigenous people, it's kinda an important part of Clea's arc and her power struggle with Dorm and Umar.

[@Eyevou]

I would really love to see the Lex Luther presidency saga play out on screen. We've had a lot of content where he ends up as president or threatens to run with a fair chance at winning but we don't really see the follow through on that like we did in the comics. It would be a perfect next step on a foundational level and get us past the world ending events that's been going on in DC animation, as of late.

[@RextheRebel]

Doctor Doom has shown to be (out of all possible realities) the only person capable of saving the Earth from itself/extraterrestrial threats and maintaining peace and stability for humanity. Im gonna go with Doom.

[@Oppenhomie-ei7pz]

I need context for Grodd going after Obama. That is now stuck in my head.

[@gabrielt.harris8885]

Legends of Tomorrow.

[@Oppenhomie-ei7pz]

@gabrielt.harris8885 Thanks

[@MrSupersmash93]

If you remove all of his negative qualities, I would argue Magnato since he would want to improve the world and since most of the other villains are movated by narcissism.

[@l.t.c3847]

That’s sort of the whole point of their duopoly and then the bad aspects of it in onslaught. Magneto has good intentions and the right ideas, but is too damaged by his trauma, both from his Jewish experience in Germany and later from his understanding of early mutant life, to be really unbiased and evenhanded in the application of force to go along with his moral prescriptions. On the other side Charles is more humanitarian, but too afraid to take truely bold steps and strong choices, choosing the moderate position every time even as mutant rights backslide, and even doing terrible things to preserve the status quo, like sending Wolverine to kill a child who has a mutant ability that kills everyone around him. Charles and Magnus better each other, magneto has the scope and far future planning ideas, while professor X keeps him grounded and thinking in terms that can be foreseen and planned. The great tragedy of the mutant is their two greatest figures can never work together for long.

[@everrets387]

He is just hitler you idiot

[@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo]

Removing all the bad qualities kinda ruins the point

[@theanonime1176]

One more thing to mention about Doom is that in the one instance where he actually lets go of his ego and pettiness (seen in a parallel uniberse in the solo Doom series written by Christopher Cantwell), he successfully creates a democratic utopia across multiple planets (possibly the whole universe), meaning that he definitely has the potential to be the best leader out of all villains.

[@nathanl8622]

I wanna see what it'd be like for heroes to go evil without just dumping all their existing morals and taking up fascism. I feel like an actual rogue Superman wouldn't form an authoritarian order, he'd just become an extreme interventionist. He's not just saving the cat from the tree and talking troubled people off the edge, he's stepping in to resolve every single thing that could possibly lead to violence. He'd still have lost the confidence that people can be trusted to do the right thing, but he'd solve it the way he already goes about things. He'll save the day, whether you like it or not.

[@sinistertwister686]

so... the Authority?

[@lokilover1315]

Loki freed the outher realms and concentrated his efforts on Asgard. It wasn't his fault they needed his constint up keep. Loki knew he had 2 infinty stones, so he seperated them by giving one to the collector. Loki also ordered a new wepon for Thor, because he wanted Thor to be able to use the bifrost on his own. He funds the arts, as you put it, because he had the freedoom too. If Loki wanted to be president, I would vote for him in a hartbeat.

[@anezay4987]

Look, all I'm saying is that we never gave Emperor Pilaf a chance.

[@insupportofjunhado]

Pilaf would have had to create an empire with more than two subjects to get a chance. A part two with commander Red, King Piccolo, Freeza, Dabura, Cooler, Paragus, Janemba, Doctor Myu, Bebe and Zamasu might be interesting, though. Maybe Towa too, since she ruled the future of Dragon Ball Online. Maybe, since this was a DC-Marvel list, that video could be a Dragon Ball-Saint Seiya list, since Seiya is basically the Marvel to Dragon Ball's DC...or if you want to go further than that, since Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya are both Jump Manga...what's the Jump System magazines' biggest rival in Japan?

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

@@insupportofjunhado Zamasu would be the best. There can’t be any conflict if there’s no one left to cause conflict.

[@FoxheimStudios]

Fun Fact about Gorilla Grodd, his biggest weakness is Subway.

[@Phantom-dh2vq]

I think doctor doom should rule over the world he's very amazing and strong and smart and charismatic and is much better than Reed Richards no I don't have a Latverian ambassador pointing a gun at my head why do you ask?

[@midori_the_eldritch]

Ok doombot

[@alienplatypus7712]

Obligatory joke about how we'd probably just elect Red Skull in the current political climate.

[@dominicfuentes4070]

I would vote for Magneto for president. Because he's proven to be right.

[@misterzygarde6431]

Considering that The Maker was here, I wonder… what would happen if the Batman Who Laughs got ahold of him and his council and completely tainted them. Like he turns the Maker into a new Joker, before doing the same thing with the council, turning them into horrific parodies of various DC villains like Colossus being turned into Cyborg Superman, Magik being turned into Poison Ivy, and Hulk being forcibly mutated into Killer Croc, etc.

[@ashthetic_art]

I think it's fascinating that Loki and Joker are both symbols of chaos in their respective canons, but they're opposite ends of this list. To use the D&D moral alignment chart as a reference, Loki is pure Chaotic Good while Joker is pure Chaotic Evil. I guess the Chaotic Neutrals would be Ultron and Brainiac, the two characters who act on robotic logic.

[@l.t.c3847]

Loki is chaotic neutral in the comics, he mostly just cares for whatever he finds most fun. Comics ultron is pure true neutral. His whole motivation is removing variance, he’s a machine, he doesn’t like that. All actions, even good ones, invite chance and statistical changes, not a thing he’s great at dealing with, so he seeks to return the universe to stillness, where nothing happens but what has been calculated, analysed and allowed towards a specific goal.

[@LunerKunai]

@@l.t.c3847 Ultron is Lawful Evil claiming to be True Neutral. Galactic-scale omni-genocide to create ultimate, timeless order is unquestionably evil no matter the intention or justification.

[@zachariahmerry2396]

Ehhh, Loki in the modern day might be Chaotic Good (After he perma-died, had Kid Loki created as a backup plan, have Kid Loki perma-die, and now leave us with a 3rd Loki who was filled with guilt over murdering Kid Loki), but that's mostly just from the 2010s onwards with him as the God of Stories. Prior to that he really was Chaotic Evil or even just Neutral Evil with Chaotic Neutral depictions being more the exception than the rule.

[@ezed8748]

​@@l.t.c3847 isn't ultrom legal neutral or legal evil? Like he wants to make the universe something similar to the mechanus in dnd

[@jonathancampbell5231]

@@l.t.c3847 Comics Ultron is absolutely Chaotic Evil. Comic Ultron is not simply a machine; he's a machine with the personality of a madman, because he was designed by and his personality "based upon" a madman. Yes, he wants a completely orderly universe under his control and with all messy organic life eradicated...but, his brainwaves are literally based on those of Hank Pym when he was mentally unstable and misanthropic, and Ultron takes that instability up to eleven. He lashes out with violence when his robot creations show anything resembling disobedience, which they only do because they start to see he's driven by irrational hatred and megalomania. He's not cold and calculating; he's histrionic, hot-headed, ultraviolent and deranged. Like Lolth, he's a Chaotic Evil menace who creates tightly controlled, Lawful Evil empires where everyone ELSE has to follow insane rules that don't apply to the leadership at all, and even those who do follow the rules will still be discarded or destroyed on a mad whim. What scares Hank Pym about Ultron the most is that Ultron IS Hank Pym, sans any humanity or sense of restraint. (also, wanting to remove all variance isn't True Neutral- it is Lawful Neutral at best, with Ultron exempted because his motivations for such are extremely petty and insane).

[@mikaelamonsterland]

how horribly the mcu butchered their try at Kang the Conqueror by not just casting a guy who was a terrible person irl so much they have to pivot away from the entire story but also by just a lot of really questionable writing decisions is really upsetting, his stories are some of my favorite avengers stories

[@thereccher8746]

Looking forward to seeing MCU doing the mayor Fisk storyline.

[@JasonVoorheesUnstoppable]

Doom and Lex are easily the most qualified

[@gregvs.theworld451]

This is an interesting idea for a video for sure. I'm sure you have a lot of video ideas lined up, but if it struck your fancy I wouldn't be opposed to an eventual part two, maybe looking at villains who haven't ruled before or lesser known or slept on villains with interesting moral and world philosophies that would be potentially fun to speculate what them having a large degree of power to rule might look like.

[@christianlangdon3766]

You know sauron isnt even that bad of a president, furries and scallies rejoice. Also he is a doctor meaning he would have a higher education than most presidents.

[@jabberoth]

Who doesn't want to be a dinosaur honestly

[@ezed8748]

Yeah, but he is from Argentina, he would be the president of my country and i dont want to be a scallie man

[@Harley-b8q]

You know, your video has actually inspired me to consider which superhero would be the best president or political leader. Its really interesting to consider how each hero's personality would effect how they would operate as a leader. My preferred popular candidates would be The Thing (Ben Grimm) for Marvel and Superman (Clark Kent) for DC Comics, but my my more obscure favorite candidates are Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) and Nightwing (Dick Grayson) respectively. Though, you are right that no one can compete with Sauron. We should all unite and give our dinosaur overlord the support he needs to make the world a better, more primeval place.

[@agramuglia]

I think Luke Cage would be goood

[@insupportofjunhado]

@@agramuglia Did Luke Cage ever get his conviction removed from public record? It was a wrongful conviction and all, but I was under the impression it was still there, since he got fired from his own team after it was bought out.

[@Scuzzlebutt142]

@@insupportofjunhado As recent real life has shown, a criminal conviction apparently doesn't mean squat in running for president.

[@halowaffle25]

2:25 I like how there's been absolutely no indication that DC will be included in this villain ranking up to this point in the video, and then suddenly *motherfucking Darkseid* shows up.

[@insupportofjunhado]

It's pretty damning to The Joker that he has a worse rating than Ultron, and you're confident no one will argue against you. "Apocalypse has mellowed out somewhat" knowing what it's liked to be drained by a life force drainer to death and knowing worse is coming form you if you don't learn to play nice will do that to do a guy. As a not really DC fan, explaining In Justice as The Bad Future or Red Son, yeah, that sounds pretty bad. I knew Sauron was a joke, I just wasn't sure how far you were going to take it. Sauron's the reason Rogue almost went and donated her DNA to cause that would sterilize mutants, just because she found him that disturbing and never wanted to be like him!

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Red Son isn’t _that_ bad. Injustice Superman is more evil. Red Son Superman is just misguided.

[@bthsr7113]

7:44 Oh wow, back when Wizard was relevant and taken seriously. Also, got to love how Magneto is already staring daggers at Skull from the get go.

[@jilliansummers5659]

Great video! I'm surprised Thanos didn't make the list somewhere. (Guess he's too evil, and yeah that's fair.) Also I think Eobard Thawn and Adrien Viet would have been interesting inclusions.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

Black Adam. He imposes strict draconian laws and performs his own public executions. Similar to Latveria, it is a peaceful nation but it is also ruled by an autocrat who keeps that peace through fear.

[@davidpescitelli8004]

Remember when Lex Luthor becoming president was seen as unrealistic and laughable. Miss those days.

[@EggFighterXB-]

No it wasn't

[@DiegoSanchez-gb4xp]

32:00 I'm pretty curious about how they'll implement this in the upcoming One World Under Doom event. Cause as you mentioned, the people in Latveria love him, and he truly cares about their well-being. So I'm kinda worried how they'll take this on the global scale. Cause in theory, Doom should now care for the entire world, right? Even if they don't like him...

[@devastatheseeker9967]

The answer of "which villain should be a world leader" Doom, Doom is the answer, guy is such a good leader that when he invaded wakanda THE GUARDIAN DEITY SIDED WITH DOOM

[@insupportofjunhado]

No, she just said that his desire for a better world was pure. She didn't say "pure good", just pure, without pretense or delusion. She actually found his methods disgusting.

[@saecwave9855]

I would love a part 2 that talks about villains from media outside of comics, well...manga characters to be specific because thats what im familiar lmao. But i would love to see you talk about griffith or meruem or black beard, the list goes on! Its just very neat to hear talk about characters c:

[@Bloinker]

"At night before the people of Latvaria pray to whatever god's they believe in, they thank Doom."

[@Sebastian_Niedermeier]

I suggested Luthor before, yet I have a better answer for best villain president: Ozymandias - his ticket is free renewable energy plus world peace. Doesn't sound half bad.

[@yeahey5947]

the subtext of watchmen very heavily implies ozy is a delusional narcissist and that his plan will horribly backfire, and even thats still pretty generous to him. renewable energy and four legged roast chickens don’t sound too bad tho

[@Sebastian_Niedermeier]

@yeahey5947 True - but talking villain rulers, the delusional narcissists, who's plans backfire is part of the deal.

[@calemr]

​@@yeahey5947The man's name is a reference to a poem about a guy who's plans all fall to naught... Dude is "Failure man".

[@Sebastian_Niedermeier]

Can we do best super hero ruler and why it definitely has to be Beast Boy, next?

[@alexthehunted]

Villian i think would actually not be a bad leader because the comic when she did become grand ruler she did a good job is Blackfire. Only problem is it won't end well her lust for power wouldn't stop at just tamaran

[@loleo123]

The maker is at this point basically a smarter, speedless Eobard Thawne, that is out to just rule for the shits and giggles.

[@LizzieShiro]

I got a few. I’m not that well versed in comics, so my knowledge on the amount of villains in general is very limited. - Lex Luther - Red Skull - Joker - Thanos - Dr Doom - Reverse Flash - Penguin - The Riddler - Bizarro - Mad Mod - Slade/Deathstroke

[@electricVGC]

vandal being that high is a reference to the fact he was already in charge and only made the world awful instead of totally destroying it (grodd is also the goat)

[@sinistertwister686]

23:13 "Time to make America Grodd again!" - what an inspired choice of words by screen writers. Truly, one of the lines of all times.

[@Insane-Howl-Cowl]

Feels like I'm living in all these scenarios in just the first month of this year alone.

[@christianlangdon3766]

So my hot take is norman osborn who is sane and just being himslrf is a better version of green goblin than the insane green gobbo.

[@Traveler_202]

I think that fact that the Joker ate every Chinese person on the planet for a bit kinda sums up exactly why he’s not the greatttestt leader

[@tauntingeveryone7208]

You should really watch Harley Quinn. Jokes actually did agreat job at running Gotham as mayor. My top votes would be Joker or Doom. Both have had version where they were great leaders. There was a comic about Dr. Doom's country where US heroes learned that Doom basically made a socialist utopia. Everyone had all their basic needs met people only did work because they enjoyed it. Dr. Doom made capitalism obsolete.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Doctor Doom wouldn’t be so bad to live under as long as you don’t question his rule. And considering how well he treats the citizens of Latveria, I doubt anyone would care to dissent.

[@deterlanglytone]

I can't stand Loki in Ragnorok. But a lot of that just has to do with how bad the MCU were with keeping Loki consistent. It makes Tom have a rather good job keeping the character entertaining, but also means that balls and character traits are dropped all the time. I also have to debate Ultimate Reed Richard having never been a stand up guy. When he started, he was basically one of the nicer, more empathic, characters in that universe. When he thinks he's done wrong, that he'd hurt someone, He goes out of his way to make ammends. Look at the Ultimate Power Crossover event there. Dude know that his actions couldn't have caused what was claimed, but let his emotions overcome his rational mind and guilt him into believing so till proof otherwise is shown. Yes, he is prone to anger, rashness, and arrogance even in the beginning but nothing that would exclude most people to not believing 'he's a stand up guy'. To me, the Maker is a great villain. Whenver he shows up they do something really interesting. But that's in spite of his current character not resembling his prior self as much as it works to be a Evil Main-verse Reed Richards. The man who within that decade was part of a group to use mind control agents... and the Skrull Cow thing. Never forget that one. On the actual video itself. I liked it. I felt you have a grasp of all the characters you've chosen to look at in how bad they would rule the world.

[@thecactusman17]

I see Doom, Magneto and Loki as quasi-antiheroes because when you look at them, they are each a portrayal of a noble value taken to the extreme. Doom is Loyalty. Magneto is Justice. Loki is Liberty. But without the balance of other factors they swing wildly from benevolent to tyrannical as events unfold.

[@nathanl8622]

I think the key distinction for characters like Lex and Doom is they want to save the world. As in, they specifically want to be the one who saved it. Doom's about as good a tyrant as you could hope for, but his ego means he can only ever be a tyrant. Any reform would require Doom to cede power or acknowledge someone had a better idea than him, and that simply won't stand.

[@Ryzard]

0:55 - The more you think about it, the worse Thor: Ragnarok gets. It's a fun movie, but at the cost of... Everything it related to, including the mcu itself arguably.

[@tomhur1]

Honestly I never liked it. For me it was the movie that made me realize "Oh. This is the reason why people have an issue with 'Marvel Humor'."

[@Ryzard]

@tomhur1 hence why I included the "and the MCU". My family (especially my mom) loved it when it came out. The issue was, since Thor succeeded with Ragnarok after struggling in the first two movies, producers and all said "okay, just do that with everything!" Hence marvel humor getting as annoying as it did. They just let watiti do what he wanted after Ragnarok, and everyone else followed the formula.

[@tomhur1]

@ I hated the humor even before Love and Thunder came out. I haven't even seen the latter yet and when I heard everyone complaining about the humor in it one thing was on my mind. "Did you guys see Raganrok?"

[@Ryzard]

@@tomhur1 oh love and thunder was WELL after the humor was stale. For most, Ragnarok was simultaneously the best of the marvel humor, and the start of the rapid decline as everyone else copied it and overdid it even worse. And yeah, Ragnarok also slaughtered most of the characterizations for everyone in it...

[@jedavisLV426]

Is Kang basically Rick Sanchez

[@agramuglia]

Rick is more The Maker.

[@Bittergrin]

Sauron for President! I want to be a triceratops!

[@jozeffheartagain9240]

I know Sauron was the joke answer but in the comics he actually did rule the savage lands. Depending on the writer, he was actually considered a pretty good leader

[@stamzthehuman897]

The butchering of Dr Doom as a ruler will never be forgotten. Dr Doom as a leader is basically the question of which on matters more being safe/happy or having freedom?

[@mattevans4377]

Are we sure Doom considers some of the other villains allies, and not just useful pawns to further his own goals?

[@ormoffat]

I really blocked out that the Flash had a storyline dedicated to Grodd trying to assassinate Obama before he left college or something. The show was so unhinged at times.

[@mikexmikex]

Red Skull is the president now.

[@nicwoolfe3885]

3:41 No offense, Ant, I am just contracted to bring up the Superman TAS quote every time it comes up: It’s “Mix, Yes, Spit, Lick.”

[@Oppenhomie-ei7pz]

No offense, but multiple shows pronounce it differently. There is a great history of mixy video on KZbin that mentions this.

[@dinadina2000]

Very topical Ant keep it up

[@ZaltnD]

5:21 the guy will literally kill organic life, and then replace that with robots

[@Ubermensch9240]

Only the Marvel Universe can be better with a villain in charge. Thus the DC Universe is better.

[@aaronwentz3190]

As long as that villain isn't Red Skull or any of the mutant hating politicians.

[@Ubermensch9240]

@@aaronwentz3190 Hence the need for Magneto and Doctor Doom!

[@atrution]

3 who I'd be really curious of your take on that missed mention. 1. Konshu 2. Mordred(DC) 3. Clock King

[@damianpatterson9363]

You're wrong about the Maker. The City he created wasn't cruel in any way. And originally he ruled as part of a counsel, though he was first among equals. Children were taught high level math almost immediately after they're born. The reason they turned against was unbelievably stupid: Iron Man's sentient cancer somehow hacked the AI that ran the City and the Maker didn't have a backup.

[@Sebastian_Niedermeier]

A lot of people are calling for Dr Doom, yeah he's efficient and smart - but also really hardcore authoritarian. I therfore propose my counter argument: Lex Luthor. Hyper capitalist scrupulous billionaire type in charge? That's the world we live in - so nothing lost - in fact this billionaire is actually smart, efficient and has vision. Luthor for president.

[@thedevilgoose2482]

I haven’t finished the video yet, but I need to add one thing. *Mr. Nobody for president!*

[@ContinuePlayMag]

Omg the "falanax"?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Omg my sides! I'M DYING!!! 😂😂😂😅😅

[@MrReich1918]

Oh. Idiot, I had somehow mistaken Lex Luthor for Sebastian Shaw and became incredibly curious. But no, just old Lex.

[@shadowsight804]

Quick, someone send this to hit KZbin channel Straight Outta Latveria, aka the great and powerful lord Doom (glory to Latveria)

[@TheRichandmighty]

Captain Cold is the best villain if you want a good leader.

[@mosquitopyjamas9048]

I hate being that guy but mostly because the whole xorn retcon was a mess but Grant Morrisons take on Magneto (and i think villains in general) was so bad that planet x had one of the most famous retcons in x history of making that Magneto a different entity (the drugged up Xorn he was masquerading as) and immediately had the real Magneto denounce his actions in Excalibur. I know it was Grants intention to have Magneto be that lunatic but planet x was such a disappointing end that im kinda glad it happened. Also i love the Xorn brothers now when they show up, they have this omnious aura about them and zorns design is so cool.

[@AGaiman]

Vandal Savage does the things he does out of boredom, for the most part.

[@mightaswell]

In dooms defense id hate richards too if I were him

[@delclo4043]

One story worth mentioning is secret empire, where a hydra captain America rules over America, while trying to rewrite history so that hydra ran the world. Is it super fascistic and evil? Yeah, but there’s definitely been worse things in the marvel universe

[@francisco65372]

I will always find kinda funny that Red Skull is obviously a great option of who shouldn't be a president because he's related to nazis, and on the other hand we have someone who's past is related to the nazis but as a victim (Magneto), but would most likely do things similar to them on a bigger scale because it would be against non mutants

[@morg2040]

thank you for this succulent meal 🙏🏻🙂‍↕️