Which water bottle cage will survive the bottle smasher?

As mountain bikes get lighter and more reliable, we don't need to carry around as many supplies. Many MTB riders are ditching their backpacks and turning back to good old fashioned water bottles. My problem is that they always fly out on techy sections!
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So today we put a few bottle cages to the test to see which one can actually retain a bottle in the worst conditions.
The bottle smasher subjects the cage to force in the worst direction-outward.
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[@SethsBikeHacks]

The point of the test was to be as brutal as possible, not to simulate ideal conditions. Mountain bike trails are rough.

[@evanbakki9033]

I liked the different camera angles, Keep up the good work!

[@peteuptegrove4106]

Seth's Bike Hacks tacx deva works well for me

[@SEEKandSTRIKE]

too bad you didnt test the fidlock waterbottle system, but all in all its a interesting test, nice work on the bottle smeeeeeasher seth

[@RickyScoles]

Man! I gave up on water bottle holders a long time ago. I knw what water bottle holder I'll be relying on now .Thanks Seth!

[@rehpotsirhc123]

Check out the Arundel Looney Bin. They securely fit different size bottles including big insulated stainless ones and even go small enough to hold a 12oz can or bottle of beer. I did have an issue with one of mine getting jammed with a piece of sand one time and I tried to force it and stripped the gears but the company was really cool and replaced it. Since then I clean the mechanism with a little WD40 when I feel it getting a little hard to turn.

[@tomcatt1824]

I glued my bottle in my cage, now when I needa drink i just stop turn my bike up side down over my head = problem solved.👍🚲👍.

[@copperrose4376]

that is often too unreliable for me so I weld a metal bottle on mine

[@KDdesignsTV]

I run tubeless so I can store my water there.

[@olliem2256]

I just drink the brake fluid.

[@psabby2970]

Dudes! 😂😂😁😁👍🏻 lol

[@dez6345]

P Sabby the best😂

[@jake9705]

How to make a Seth's Hacks video: 1) Wait for wife to go to work 2) Do big jumps with bad wrist 3) Profit!

[@Shpektrometer]

So true

[@AP-pb6tc]

Or husband

[@iameggo6793]

Yeah

[@Okpancake]

Lol

[@Aditya-wg3lp]

Hes married?

[@elijahwaite7874]

...the next week Orthopedic: "yeah have you been riding" Seth:"uh..no" Orthopedic: " yea, we're gonna have to amputate."

[@RockerrrDon]

Yeah😂

[@smokingtires9716]

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[@Niksuttelia]

Seth: how do you know Orthopedic: it is on youtube Seth:😐

[@Durwood71]

@@Niksuttelia Seth: "Would you believe me if I said I used a stunt double?"

[@robertbeckman2687]

Hi Seth. Here is a bottle cage hack for you: I use a cheap aluminum bottle cage and have never lost a bottle. Even after jumps, drops, or crashes. I loop an elastic hair tie around the top of the cage and loop the other end around the nose of the bottle. It takes one extra motion to get the bottle out, but a small price to never lose a bottle. I hope this is useful to you!

[@jackpizziferro4562]

The best bottlecage involves some duct tape and a lack of dignity

[@SethsBikeHacks]

This is so absolutely true

[@Tw-zu5oh]

Yup

[@kianferre5727]

@@SethsBikeHacks do you think that I can use electrical tape instead of Velcro straps?

[@AdamS_27]

Who thought that the bottle was going to land on the cap on 3:46?

[@spacelendertm3706]

Me

[@samdennehyvlogs5780]

Me

[@makingmoneystill]

Me

[@Jake-ot4ku]

Me

[@alexandergalvis8248]

Yep

[@NallePu83]

I don`t understand why some bikebrands put the bottle Cage under the down tube....you get all the mud, dust and dogpoop from the front wheel

[@1973honza]

Because of rear suspension.

[@masonmtb7]

Because some rear suspension takes up the space where a bottle cage could have gone.

[@xdidro]

I realize that you posted this a year ago, but adding to what others said, I think they do that for a lower center of gravity, when the bottle is filled with water.

[@skoltr]

You can get a different kind of bottle, or just water storage to avoid having to suck the exact point where the poop goes.

[@Adrian-ky4bi]

You can buy a water bottle that is covered against mud and other things.

[@cookedbread902]

Seth: never ride while injured Also Seth: let’s send this northshore drop

[@cianmaguire4700]

Well to be fair tho some people don’t have theirs upside down

[@bradanorourke]

Dat BO4 Noob everybody

[@IeuanParsons]

Yea I’m sure there designed not to be upside down

[@joneinarmattiasvisser6113]

Well to be honest on m bikes the bottle cages are not upside down, and to be fair, my bottles never fell out other than the fact that once I had a loose bottle cage and it became lose and I lost my that way (not the cage though funny enough). I'm sure you can drop it from more than twenty times the height of the bottles weren't upside down and they wouldn't fall out of most cages if not all. bottles don't fly out vertically out of the cage. These cages had the opening downwards. No wonder they fall out!

[@joshgross8741]

Yea this test is restarted. It does not simulate normal impact direction and force on a cage.

[@verogroenewoud9681]

Lot of bike have it On the underside

[@wasabisdaddy]

Those of us who had to pack our rucks in the Army know how helpful those loop and hook strips can be. Those of us who bought Diamondback have a whole lot of them for free

[@SethsBikeHacks]

They come in handy!

[@michaeljameson3339]

Jarrod V Thank you for your service, my dude.

[@wreams2964]

Thx for your service

[@alexrotaru6616]

There is now a specialized zee with a integrated Multi tool!

[@AayanKhan-me3to]

Thanks for the info!

[@HoloScope]

HAHA YAYYYYYY

[@bikeimprove4320]

One big issue is that no bike will position the bottle upside-down and vertical. Even on your less popular bike design the bottle is locate about 40 degree up. In any condition you'll land from a drop wile your bottle is horizontal, you'll go OTB. Personally tested the Syncros cage in multi locations double diamond courses, and never lost a bottle. Nice video :)

[@MarioGoatse]

Very true. It’s a fun video, but literally useless as science. What he should have done is mount it at an angle like a normal bike, and drop it from a range of heights that we’re exactly the same each time, with the same amount of water in the bottle each time.

[@GavynPendleton]

A lot of those cages would have done far better on the bike simply because the upward slant and many on them would have done entirely better mounted on the inside of the frame. However I do appreciate the attempt at a fair test.

[@SethsBikeHacks]

True that they will perform better on the bike, but my bike tends to end up in many directions!

[@z777luck777z]

Seth's Bike Hacks, lmao to the many directions 😂 it would suck to lose the bottle after eating it hard

[@thomaslax39]

It wasn't a attempt at a fair test. It was a fair test. Not an ideal test for the cages perhaps, but a fair test for all involved.

[@BCpov]

Haha, I was sitting here at work watching the vid and my co-worker asked what you were making.. it took a few minutes to explain 😂

[@SethsBikeHacks]

haha, I wish I could have heard that explanation

[@emanuelcorlat7261]

"He's doing a science research"

[@adrianpousset6893]

I really don’t understand why he didn’t put the bottles on the 2x4 at an angle just like it would be on a bike frame (but still a really good video and very entertaining)

[@krsvbg1989]

Because then none of the bottle cages would fail lol

[@bananasstuff3344]

Because this is harsher... also, on a sloped landing, this will be the right angle.

[@Durwood71]

Pretty sure this test was designed as a worst case scenario, which, unfortunately, doesn't really help us understand how the cages will perform under average conditions.

[@LOGICAL-JAY]

Exactly, I was saying the same thing..water bottle sit more on a vertical angle on the bike..

[@kalebbranch5435]

Engineer student here. I loved your test. It seemed to be very repeatable and giving consistent amounts of force to the bottles. That being said bottle cages aren’t designed to face forces in that way, perpendicular to their mounting points, which is why you found that most bottles slipped their cages at 16 inches. If you do a more vertical test ie replicating the angle of a down tube and perform the test again you may get different results. I really enjoy your videos and I greatly appreciate the amount of effort you went to to make this test and all of your videos

[@CobraKyle]

Pretty great test, but I want to know if you've explored that dungeon across the street?

[@zachhilty6822]

You could use that big ramp up against that drop in front of the dungeon and it would be cool.

[@edwardo123]

That would creep me out having that right in front of my house

[@aboutadventures2851]

Same

[@FletchyDog]

When an F-5 tornado is a few blocks away and headed your way, you'll be luvin the dungeon.

[@maxmikkelsen166]

Fletchy Dog he lives in NC. not Kansas

[@mralex5425]

It's awesome how much work/thought you put into your videos. Just far beyond what most other folks are doing. Keep it up!

[@kiranfelix5799]

Seth is just basically finding a perfect reason to ride his mtb. What a legend.

[@jamiestewart2481]

Hi Seth, I have a zee cage on my Full sus and a Top Peak Ninja on my hardtail. I've never lost a bottle on the zee but have dropped a bottle off the ninja before. So basically I agree with your results and recommend zee from experience! Good video mate.

[@vivaparenzo]

I lost my zee cage with bottle in it

[@george.8991]

What if you have a bottle cage that fits facing upwards? That's how mine is

[@SethsBikeHacks]

makes no difference. It’ll still pop out if you hit a huge jump or huck.

[@kitten-inside]

Then the main force is much lower, and you need a much bigger drop to have issues. Because the forces yanking it out act when the bike rebounds, not when it hits. Or ride 90 degree drops like Phil.

[@noelius4481]

It’ll still pop out. In my experience at least. I have that very basic aluminum bottle cage design before and hopped a fairly low speed bump, bike didn’t even reached a foot high, but the bottle went ballistic. Though I reckon a good quality cage won’t be as bad.

[@lawlerskeetz]

Less so though, the designs are made to resist force in a specific direction. This test works if your bottle cage is mounted underneath, but the forces when you land go the opposite direction to the grasping mechanism

[@willempaternotte4071]

I have the standard metal one facing upwards. And it never fall off.

[@devynthurman8444]

Excellent job, Seth. The new lav mic and tiny differences in editing gave this video a super polished and professional feel that I loved. Keep up the good work, and I can't wait to see you on the bike again!

[@garrettkistler4534]

I'm so hyped you reviewed the zee cage. I have it in 2 or my 4 bikes w. The specialized rib cage in my road bikes. Love the price point too

[@Multiskidor]

I have a few other bottles that doesn’t use a cage, fidlock and fabric cageless. Worth checking out!

[@kristiankyllingmark4552]

isnt the waterbottle cage to be the other way around?

[@thijsvandenbroek5333]

RIP MisterBassBoost you are right

[@ROOrtiz-ov8xf]

It Should be but doe to wher its mounted on his bike that would be the perfect test for him

[@nicktonka]

No, some bikes have a water bottle on the bottom of the down tube.

[@kristiankyllingmark4552]

nicktonka but most normal bikes have it the way i told

[@majortom4543]

a full suspension bike doesnt have the space where its usually located

[@iTripped]

Seth, your video is totally science! You tested your products consistently and used empirical evidence to make your decisions! Well done, sir!

[@jackshimon8188]

I've had the specialized Z cage for like four years now and I've never dropped a bottle (I don't use a strap on it either). I had full water bottles in it and took it on three trips to Moab, two trips to Crested Butte, Sedona, and like a 30 other smaller MTB trips around Colorado. Great vid as always!

[@waynesworkshop7069]

Hands down probably my favorite KZbin channel. Keep it up and come ride spider mountain again

[@evyatarknafo6267]

I have that specialized bottle cage! It came with my bike

[@bikesbeardsbeers94]

The zee is also great for sideloading bottles into small FS frames. Nice to see it win your test after I had just bought one for my bike last weekend!

[@aaronhamshire4662]

Great test. Appreciate your dedication to help bikers find their way through setting their bike up the best way. Good use of time especially as you were injured. I will use this info to help chose my cage

[@germanvillarreal2594]

1:39 Seth looks as if he’s doing a presentation at school

[@adammorris9723]

The force from the tests is pushing the bottle out of the opening at the top of the cage. On lots of peoples bikes where the bottle cage is one the other side of the down tube to yours, the force is being pushed down to the bottom of the cage.

[@johnsmythe9449]

Yes, agreed. How many people store water bottles in the orientation you tested? On my MTB the 2 cages are NOT on the top tube.

[@Cal94]

The problem I've had is particularly with bottled water (like if i forget a bottle and stop in a convenience store for a cheapo 500ml), bottles will start falling out sideways of bottle cages. Especially if the bottom of the cage is just a straight stubby post. Lots of cages have trouble balancing north South stability with east West stability thoughout the whole cage.

[@moonlight-oi6pv]

I don’t know why but I really liked the style of start of the video, where you speak directly to us

[@julianw5692]

The key is the fit of the bottle. I had a bottle cage with a little piece of plastic that stuck out at the top of the cage, it fit perfectly into a recess in the bottle. It fit like a dream until I lost the bottle at the gym.

[@felixbillington6151]

Physics time! The equation you are looking for is angular speed - 2 * pi * frequency. And angular speed - velocity * radius. Calculate frequency by working out how many degrees of a circle it would go through in 1 second. Or find the time period (the time for one full revolution) and divide one by time period. Remember we are working in radians!!

[@lennarthahner3033]

Can you please repeat that in normal language? XD

[@TheBlaert]

Should the title not be "which bottle cage will survive the bottle smeasher"?

[@DaddyM7MD]

Add Some !!!!! And a few ???? That well work 😸

[@mtbadventuresgreece755]

I have some news for you... IT CHANGED

[@mtbadventuresgreece755]

JK

[@gwynnlyell7338]

I always like your videos, they are entertaining. In 25+ years of riding, road, gravel and mountain biking I’ve lost zero bottles. Even after a couple of crashes. Keep making the videos, they are neat.

[@andrewsiers4689]

Somehow you made a video about bottle cages entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work

[@DarxusC]

It sounded like without (strap) modifications, the crappy aluminum cage actually did comparatively well? I really appreciate you doing some science on this.

[@brianlindahl1529]

I feel like this review is a bit subject to where you mount your bottle. Seth's mounting point is under his down tube, whereas if you mounted it on top of the down tube I believe most of these would be a viable option only because instead of all the impact force being diverted onto the weakest part of the cage it would be diverted towards where the cage is mounted. Source: I mount my z cage on top of my down tube and it works phenomenally well.

[@SethsBikeHacks]

true that an inboard mounting point works better, but we still found the best cage, didn’t we?

[@brianlindahl1529]

Seth's Bike Hacks yes, we did.

[@ChristianEilers]

Seth - could you consider improving the test by adding a simulated inboard mounting point on a 40° angled beam standing on top of your setup pointing forward _/

[@willbros1499]

That was my take on it. You found a benchmark, and you tested against it. Regardless, that is how YOU have to mount your bottle, so you identified the one that works the best for your configuration...period. It also stands to reason that you found the one that will hold it the best in ANY condition, because you tested in the most vulnerable position. I thought you nailed the test...pretty brilliant. At a roughly 45 degree angle, on the TOP of the downtube, I can run the standard alloy mount with a koozie around the water bottle, and I've done the 12 foot drop here on Drop the Hammer in NWA, and it stayed fine. Same for high speed smeeeeasshing through rock gardens. Now...take the koozie off, and I'm not sure....because it's always on there. :-)

[@robertbonner5973]

Great reviews! I use the ARUNDEL LOONEY CAGE. It is adjustable , for smaller and larger bottles . Its ratcheting adjuster has always kept my bottle in place .

[@WorldwideCyclery]

Nice comparison! Pretty impressive rig you crafted to test the two, that drop at the end looked fun!

[@marktaylor4050]

Seth could u please do the fabric cage less water bottle

[@livefreeandshred9818]

I use a specialized see cage and use a Velcro strap that I got from an enduro race timing chip on the wrist. It works great. Also have an older see cage on my trail bike that I've NEVER lost a bottle out of

[@SethsBikeHacks]

good to know that you actually race enduro and are still able to keep a bottle in place!

[@livefreeandshred9818]

Seth's Bike Hacks ya I use that with a tool and a dakine hot laps hip bag. I refuse to use a pack anymore

[@theunknown6812]

Hi seth nice vid keep it up

[@matthewzuniga111]

I use the same cage with the Specialized S.W.A.T Multi tool attached to the bottom. Holds secure even on the roughest trails the east coast has to offer. Ive gone through countless Pennsylvania rock gardens without the cage even flinching.

[@livefreeandshred9818]

Matthew Zuniga me too I've had it come off one time at burke mountain in Vermont on a high speed corner with huge braking bumps

[@hardtailshredder]

This is the type of content I love from Seth It’s creative, entertaining, and most certainly informative.❤️

[@jordanmccann6597]

Love this new way of the episodes!👍🏼 keep it up!

[@lt.bagelbites6969]

Seth: One drop and thats it Also Seth: **does second drop**

[@bobdabuilder2424]

i freaking lost a bottle after watching this -_- *facepalm*

[@diiabilo]

I believe a cage I've purchased was identical to the second one you've tested. It's dropped several bottles of water but I've come to find that it holds Gatorade bottles amazingly well. I will designate it solely for those bottles.

[@dgiuntaXXX]

Outstanding work! Thank you!

[@georgiygiggle7306]

"Like a bomb from an airplane" :D Damn that one was perfect!

[@easttennesseemotorsports7553]

Your test was not very accurate because the bottle holders are designed to be held at an angle facing up like they are on your bike. Your testing thing is a good idea just needs to be tweaked a bit. Great video BTW

[@masonmtb7]

Read the pinned comment

[@thetastyoreo8420]

Not if you have a full suspension mountain bike, then it is on the down tube

[@coleedson5439]

lordoforeos i think he means the down tube is pointed up not completely horizontal

[@shrimpfriedrice494]

@@masonmtb7 The issue with this test is that no bottle cage will ever be in these circumstances. They are designed to be facing upright so putting them completely horizantal is not an accurate test of their bottle holding abilities.

[@scottsee5766]

Mason 360: Worst direction, true. But not the most likely. Like on a tank - the thickest armor is in the front, not the top, because that’s the most likely point of impact for an incoming round. Most bottle cages are designed such the the direction of the applied external force is mostly vertical; As if your cages were mounted vertically behind the seat. This test is pointless - unless you mount your bottles horizontally under the top tube.

[@maxMax-ns9pg]

wow This video was super helpful because I’ve been looking for a cage for my bike because other other one has lost around 3-4 bottles

[@calebvanderbijl6738]

Hey seth Love this video I have the specialized z cage on my stump jumper never had a problem with it falling out only had my bike for 2 years so far and the cage works fine

[@ryanlloyd1605]

how about trying the fabric water bottle? it has a pretty interesting design and mine hasn't failed on me yet

[@SethsBikeHacks]

I ordered one of these after someone told me on Instagram. It has terrible ratings, but I’ll be the judge! It’s going in the smasher.

[@BCpov]

Does not work well here on the North Shore!

[@treeman1690]

I have two fabric bottles and they also didnt fail me yet. You could also take a look at fidlock bottles. They attach with magnet and should be much easier do get in and out of the mount.

[@binkzera2777]

Seth's Bike Hacks Make sure to tighten the bolts properly, that way the bottle is locked in better.

[@mt27]

I have one if you find the bottle falls out just tighten the screws in the frame a little more...hasn't failed on me since!

[@fazleabbasjanmohamed3560]

Hey seth! Love your videos... for this video as far as I know from experience your test is inaccurate as the cages are horizontal when they should be in an inclined position. I feel as though most of the cages that failed were designed to be installed in an inclined position as opposed to a horizontal position. Such small details make significant differences in terms of force

[@no_name4485]

a small bit of a rebuttal it may actually be more accurate in a horizontal position as most people tend to lose bottles while descending, which would put the bottles in a more horizontal position which manufacturers making mtb specific bottle cages should take into account. But one thing that did annoy me is he went by large increments of 2 inches to a foot while it would have been more accurate doing it one unit at a time be it 1 inch or 1 cm but the bottle smasher itself is a good test for impact force, but I do agree that the test is wildly inaccurate but for other reasons.

[@kaciemckie8741]

1: Why did he make it so big when the test spot is so small? 2: this was so helpful because I have a bike of my own! Thank you Seth and your the best bike youtuber EVER!

[@MikeinCC]

Good review Seth. Very creative. Fwiw, I've been a huge fan of Zee cages for several years. Never lost a bottle on one.

[@martinalvarez1359]

Hey man, I've been wanting to get into mountain biking and I've been watching your vids. They're helpful, instructional, and entertaining haha 👍 I have a question though... I recently saw a 20" mountain bike with front and back suspension and 7 speeds at a shop. Now, it IS marketed as a child's bike, but the fact that some people do ride 20" bmx bikes regularly makes me wonder if that bike would be suitable for an adult as well. I'm a pretty short guy (5'5"), and was wondering if that 20" instead of a 26" would lend me more manuverability and and control. It just seems like it would be a cool lil bike to have. I appreciate any insight, thanks! -Martin

[@HoloScope]

Get a 24

[@sotawild502]

I don't think any of these are actually designed for mounting on the bottom of the down tube.

[@MuhammadIsmail-iy3ed]

Wtf

[@bikeman_8527]

There is much simple solution - bicycle jersey! 3 pockets where you can carry so many things. It does not affect sweat distribution or aerodynamics and when you get used to it, you won't even notice the carries in there. My typical setup: phone + id, mini pump, and a multi-fool, bottle of Vine 0.7L.

[@gabrielfigueroajulia8347]

Hey Seth! Nice video. I was just looking for the perfect no backpack setup and was decided to buy the zee and now you confirm it. Also you can get a multitool version for the zee and I’m sure it will come in handy

[@MTBPlanB]

Awesome...I bet the Iron Maiden will hold a bottle...water...not so much. Seth, you are king of medieval torture devices for bikes.

[@dominicwalker9947]

You are a smart fellow, I would have done something much dumber. Great vids

[@clintontopp898]

Hey Seth thanks so much for this video .I love these product reviews in your unique style . awesome you made a contraption for this . would like you to see you do a test in the same manner with the bottle mounted on top of the device as most people are talking about in the comments section most mountain bikes run the bottle in this position in which the force through the bottle cage are alot different.

[@louisteh8197]

Love your positivity Seth!

[@cooperallen282]

Say what you want, I'm on the high school mountain bike team and we ride 3-4 times a week, and I have never lost a bottle on my cheap aluminum holders

[@sebastiancoetzee9672]

You put a lot of work into your videos and you deserve more subscribers!

[@dannydietze]

Been riding without a pack for more than a year now, can't beat the free feeling you get and the dry back and shirt make it well worth it. I use a frame pack for tools and a top tube pack for nutrition, the B-RAD Double Barrel Bottle cage adapter holds two Lezyne Power Bottle Cages and I haven't had a bottle fall off since switching to these.

[@treygrube537]

i use the z cage with a SWAT multi tool integrated on it like the topeak one. love it, never lost a bottle and always have a tool on me

[@alexevans1655]

“The bottle smasher” sound so intense 😂😂 this new format is looking great, also more professional

[@benji_2430]

Should have called it bottle smeash test

[@rockinfreemtb376]

"Somewhat irresponsible" he says. Lol. Speedy recoveries, Seth. Will be glad to see you back on the trails in full speed. Great vid too.

[@nicoetsesvelos7968]

This video is like those « science test » video that you can see sometimes on TV, but way better because of MTB related. Amazing content once again !!!

[@gixxxer1k]

Will those wooter bottles also accept water?

[@shredpudding2795]

LMAO HAVE YOU WATCHED CHRISFIX

[@mohammedislam7176]

I don’t want to be rude but won’t the water bottle be on the other side and by the way you are the best

[@SethsBikeHacks]

Good question! Regardless of where your bottle is mounted, it falls off when it takes an impact in the “wrong” direction. This machine tests for that.

[@jensondartnall4716]

Mohammed Islam at the end he shown one test the other way round

[@mohammedislam7176]

Oh sorry thanks for the replie

[@chrispalmer1773]

What about keeping a waterbottle clean from mud and dirt? I would love to see some hacks for that.

[@emanuelcosma8329]

Seth's Bike Hacks hey seth I think that it would be better if you mount the cage with a kind of angle to simulate with the most accuracy the angle of the frame mount. Btw great video, cheers from Italy

[@btstucky]

I love your videos. I also use the 1up EDC Tool. My PSA so you don't face palm: 1. When it is bottle cage mounted, frequently check during rowdy rides that the top of the teardrop shape of the inner tool faces away from your frame. Likewise, as you smash the trail the pump handle can surpass the o-ring's friction seal and allow for a more leveraged 'whaping' on your frame which can lead to undesirable scuffing of your paint and even carbon. 2. If you store a Powerlock link inside the tool, place a piece of tape or apply some grease to them so they stay put. I've stopped to help a buddy tighten a bolt only to later find that I had lost one half of a Powerlock. 3. Seemingly obvious but, after you use the pump, carefully place the male end of the rubber cap back into the female rubber valve nozzle. If it has grit on it from your shred, and you jam it in there willy-nilly, your could create a wizard sleeve scenario that degrades the function of the end cap's ability to seal air while pumping or using CO2. Sorry if there is too much info or if these comments were already made. Come shred in Ft. Collins!

[@charonobol]

Its been a few years since I've road. Getting a bike this weekend. Probably Marlin 4. Your channel has me excited.

[@mattgies]

I'm gonna channel my old service manager, and scold you thusly: Never put a tap in a drill! Tap threads by hand. Forward a half turn, then backward a quarter turn to break the chips, and with plenty of cutting fluid.

[@SethsBikeHacks]

I should have included it going in... forward reverse and oil indeed, but screw it, I used a drill. This is Seth’s Bike Hacks after all.

[@TheYelboy]

hey on a plate so thin drill all the way

[@vonpupees]

lets be honest most threads are done by machine not by hand, the scale of things with threads is far too large to do things by hand

[@asakayosapro]

In his defense, it is Seth's Bike Hacks, and not the likes of machinists like Abom79, AvE or This Old Tony Also, a hand drill is at the very least better than absolutely nothing as long as you get your predrill hole size right, your workpiece is mounted solid and your grip on the drill stays stable and precise, but yes, a good tap wrench is miles better.

[@adamwenta9193]

Come back to jd park in Florida!!! They have done tons to it since you left and it’s basically a bike park

[@charlieevans7627]

Loving the sound quality 👍

[@jordann163]

Seth mate, love the close up shots with the use of the GoPro KEEP IT UP !!!

[@Erik-kp1jw]

Missed opportunity to name this video "Bottle cage SMEASH test" 😂

[@RafayBhatti]

How to make tool box for bike can make a video

[@TofuRoxUrSox]

Ditching the back pack has been a game changer. This is a fun test..Just got a bike with the bottle mount underneath the top tube, so I need the sturdiest cage I can find. This helps

[@larock0wns]

I know this video is a little older, but would be great to have an updated video that includes the Fidlock water bottle to see how it survives. Great Video

[@Harry-wz3nz]

this video should be call *"seth does science*

[@Cdphitt]

Seth: “I’m only going to do the drop once” Does it more than once 😑

[@edvinvensryd3958]

I don't know why but I like yours voiceovers but all your videos are so freaking amazing good

[@darrenobrien9727]

The Zee cage is great for compact frames as it’s a side loading cage. I have a Topeak Ninja T Mountain bracket under a Zee cage with a Lezyne mini pump. It’s a nice setup but not sure it beats your EDC pump & tool.

[@theswissrider]

Nice idea to make a repeatable test. I was looking for a bottle cage set up for the upcoming MTB enduro race season. Hope that with a Zee on top of my downtube it will keep the bottle. Could you make review on tyre inserts if you use one (like cushcore or Procore ) It could be interesting for a lot of viewers. Would you still keep a replacement tube on your frame ?

[@potskill8945]

8:22 if he kills himself SMH

[@MTBBoliviaXC]

Wow! I was worried about that jump, glad you make it 😱

[@dipz6479]

I use the specialized z and it works perfect the bottle never comes out when I’m riding but its super easy to take it out when I want it

[@relax_sound46]

You are amazing!

[@TrailFeatures]

Fantastic! Now can you figure out how to mount my GH5, Tripod, Mavic Air, and spares on my Yeti? I will pay you with one whole internet.

[@golpheox2130]

Trail Features mavic on the back of the saddle post spares duct taped to the wheels tripod mounted to the frame and gh5 in your pants

[@TrailFeatures]

"Is that a 300mm lens, or are you just happy to be on a bike?"

[@Candesce]

I'm currently using a Fidlock bottle "cage" and it works great off anything I could throw at it including drops hard enough to bottom out my fork and shock. I was using a Fabric "cage" before that and it did really well too. The Fabric might be slightly more secure but the Fidlock has yet to lose a bottle either way and is super cool.

[@kirkylerky5702]

There is a lot of variables effecting the bottles cages you tested. 1. Bottle cages is not mounted in a 180 degree angle. 2. You tested the “front” part of the bottle cages (some cages are designed to do that) the part where it holds is mostly at the bottom. 3. Some cages are designed to be easily accessible while riding your bike (mostly on road riding and flat ground riding not trails) and thus can effect the sturdiness of your bottle on a cage.