White Prototype Open-Bolt LMG

[@MatthewBerginGarage]

Also the fact that the disassembling tool is a very important part of the rifle there is no way you would loose it! Great videos Ian keep them up!

[@assteepee]

Loving this channel. Your knowledge of function and history of these firearms is fantastic. Most of all I just love listening to you telling the storied histories of these firearms and their manufacturers.

[@1fanger]

English style stock. At first glance, I thought you had a shotgun with a box mag. Maybe he made it that way to make it attractive to the British.

[@grizzlyblackpowder1960]

The kind of stock you can find more than a few examples of in the US?

[@thelaughinghyenas7962]

Thank you very much. This set of three White prototypes has definitely been part of the weird and wonderful. I love those.

[@EIBBOR2654]

Ian, that front swivel closest to the muzzle is a stacking swivel, not meant for a sling. It has a cutout in the middle so it can be stacked with 2 other rifles. As I was told, it is a hold over from the Civil War so the soldiers could stow or stack them in the camp like in a tripod form. That stacking swivel ended with the adoption of the M-14. Great video and am always checking them out when you post them. Good info on some I may never get to hear about or see.

[@thatguybrody4819]

i've noticed he often calls them sling swivels.

[@leemcnutt6165]

They don't get much more forgotten than that

[@HeFilmsTheClouds69]

Ian you've been killing it lately. Keep up the great work.

[@Jesses001]

Very nice gas system. I have to agree though. It looks like an early prototype rather then a light machine gun ready for testing.

[@spacemanmoe5622]

Thanks for the postings on all the JC white rifles.

[@ductileiron98]

Nice modern, angular, lines on this rifle. Beauty. Thanks..

[@Dannyn829]

After what i would like to say that after 5 months of watching these videos although i had stumbled across you a while before i would be broke if i could afford to buy all of these guns by now hahaha Ian you sell these things man ! Thanks as always !!

[@StraightShot2977]

Man that locking block is just begging to be fouled by grit and gravel. That alone would make the gun untrustworthy to me.

[@TroopperFoFo]

Do you think you could ever do a video on the Ottoman Empires water cooled Winchester 1866.

[@archibaldthearcher]

+druisteen www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/04/26/water-cooled-rifle/

[@Metalgearmadness]

its kinda cool that these prototypes are still shootable

[@SavageShooter93]

I have said this a million times but Forgotten Weapons is one of the best channels on you tube, the history of the pieces, the mechanical nuance, and of course Ian quite a manly beard and pony tail going on at the same time. If I were wearing a hat I would take it off to you sir!

[@Cruisey]

3:13 "So why don't we just use the B.A.R. instead?" "Yeah good idea"

[@BadlanderOutsider]

+Sam Doohan It's not terrible. The only real problem with the BAR is the weight and the magazine capacity.

[@kjknight99]

+BadlanderOutsider If I were an ally soldier during WW2 and I came across an FG42 or STG 44 I would drop my BAR and use what I found. The BAR wasn't that bad early war but by 44 and 45 it was very much obsolete.

[@ukspartan2375]

Bren gun was better as a light machine gun

[@Cruisey]

Sam Doohan BAR doesn't have to be good, it only has to be better than the jive featured in the video.

[@Kaydwardson]

+Knightindernacht What could have been the spiritual successor of the BAR? the SCAR-H?

[@tonyktx44]

Another cool video Ian, many thanks. How about a review on a Australian SMLE full auto conversion? It would fit right in with this wacky rifle.

[@ukspartan2375]

hey is that even real a full auto lee enfield

[@Sheehy223]

This needs to be in a video game.

[@compwiz101]

I get the feeling like the LMG was White's prototyping platform for his gas system. Perhaps it's where he built a lot of the proof-of-concept components to the design before they ended up in his gas operated rifle.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+compwiz101 Yes, I agree.

[@wendigo1619]

I see this gun, i instantly look at my wall to make sure my wacky auto-shotgun is still there

[@wendigo1619]

@Graf von Lotzing looked kinda like this gun with the gas piston on the right side and has a bren gun style charging handle with the rear end looking off a canadian lee conversion, similar magasine though the shotgun has a flat base, i think my shotgun was a custom job or some kind of prototype that was supppsed to be a full auto 12gauge but ended up a goofy looking semi auto that weighs as much as a BAR

[@Rook9696]

you had me at "light machine gun with a bayonet"

[@jimkey920]

One of the oddest. I suppose it is a concept , rather than being meant for production. Surprising that there is no mud cover on the rear of the receiver.

[@kevkfz5226]

What an interesting gun, no idea that British had tested anything like this, at this time.

[@scipio10000]

Funny how it looks like a Cei-Rigotti prototype with that gas-piston on the side ...

[@ozdavemcgee2079]

This is the level Royalnonesuch will achive in his 60's lol

[@anter176]

the exposed gas tube has a charm to it

[@Vidar_Odinson]

That's a weird duck for sure!

[@chadbarrett3545]

It is a shame when a gun is missing parts.

[@VicariousReality7]

God that looks heavy

[@Whitpusmc]

This would fail the mud test spectacularly!

[@Spazz6768]

If it's not actually fully automatic wouldn't it technically just be a battle rifle?

[@anter176]

Had he just made a toggle that made the sear stay down while you held the trigger then that thing would've been fully automatic.

[@KarlfMjolnir]

Wonder how heavy it was, and how it might've been as an infantry rifle instead of an LMG.

[@threebog]

if you blocked the trigger so it couldn't go as far back to reset the sear just pull it down would it not work full auto?

[@GwyndowsXP]

I like both of White's rifles, especially the toggle lock version (I'm a sucker for those), but this thing is just.... horrible planning.

[@VicariousReality7]

9:47 That is one horrible fuller

[@finalfantasy50]

Did White do anymore development on the rifle to make it more like an LMG (full auto, bipod/tripod, move the gaspiston out of the way)?

[@TheBuffaloSamurai]

Did White have any sucessful designs besides his gas-system?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+TheBuffaloSamurai None that I am aware of.

[@sthenzel]

When you fully pull the trigger, it resets itself and the bolt is catched again. So far so good. But what if the trigger isn´t fully pulled? Then the sear stays down and the bolt isn´t held open, which should result in the rifle firing round after round. Bug or feature?

[@Tsniper2009]

Does J.C. White have any relation to Rollin White?

[@sheadjohn]

so if it fires from open bolt and the trigger does not have a disconnect it looks like it would have been easy to make it fully automatic. does the trigger seer release the bolt before you squeeze it enough for it to reset?

[@The2010designer]

If it fires from an open bolt, does it have a fixed firing pin?, or an inertia arrangement?

[@mcqueenfanman]

I guess Lewis designed something like this during or shortly after WWI.

[@DOGMA1138]

So there's a "White Collection" on sale at RIA?

[@Hyperian]

+DOGMA1138 yea, if you go to the auction site in the description you see all 3 white guns are in a crate. I wonder where they found these guns. maybe one of white's descendants decided to sell them.

[@hopetagulos]

Poxa! Qual deve ser a arma que este cara não tem ou nunca teve?

[@nodresiak]

Thanks for yet another very interesting video. I appreciate that this inventor was willing to challenge the orthodoxy of gun design but a few things about his designs just leave me scratching my head. Why did he put all of those holes in the trigger guard. I assume they were just to lighten the gun a bit but honestly how much weight do you save? Wouldn't a side mounted gas tube also make the gun a bit awkward to handle. I really do not like all the holes he has on the underside of his designs. What happens when a soldier goes prone and gets a stick in there.

[@ToastyMozart]

+nodresiak Looks like the trigger guard was just a bent length of off-the-shelf perforated flat steel. Not so much a functional decision as a way of simplifying the manufacturing and reducing cost.

[@nutsandgum]

Do you think a more developed version of this (tripod mount, relocated gas system, full auto etc..) could have outmatched the BAR as a squad LMG? It does look substantially smaller/lighter then the beast that is a BAR.

[@stamfordly6463]

+nutsandgum It looks like it has the same primary design flaw as the BAR - the magazine is in a stupid place. Lack of a barrel change ability makes it even more impractical. Lightness and being a bit smaller isn't going to overcome those fundamental problems. The Bren was heavier than the BAR but was still a superior section level weapon.

[@lowkeythethiccstergod6939]

What do the white strips on each of his guns mean? This gun is 1, the toggle lock is 2 and the semi auto is 3.

[@confuseatronica]

+petpeeves117 Yeah I noticed that too: it's that wire-marking numbered tape that comes in a dispenser with little rolls of 1 2 3 4 etc, for labelling wiring. It looks like something an auction house would NOT do, so I'm assuming the seller/consignor/liquidator did it and the last 3 guns were all from the same guy.

[@hockeytownluv2012]

A process called cooking off 😂

[@Lexrockstheblock]

Did white die recently? You've shown us 3 one of a kind rifles from him that are going up this auction.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+Riot Weekend He died a long time ago. I did videos on all three rifles because they are one-of-a-kind pieces, and I don't expect I will get another chance to examine them later.

[@Sku11Leader]

How much does it weigh?

[@mnicrashSoren]

the two people did not recognize this from black ops call of duty so it must not be a real army man gun so they stomped their feet and hit dislike

[@trevorslinkard31]

Liked the look of it until I saw the lateral gas piston. That’s hideous

[@wastedangelematis]

nice

[@PieterBreda]

Weird that half-finished prototypes are send in for trials.

[@_Just_Andy_]

+Pieter Batenburg Lack of money and time? Military contract surely change the money problem.

[@justforfun4103]

+Pieter Batenburg Because surely that doesn't happen in our modern times right? No contractor is going to show the US military half complete things and expect hundreds of millions of dollars with a "buy now, fix later" methodology. That NEVER happens. /s

[@PieterBreda]

Probably does

[@BattleDamageAssessment0311]

Prayers for Paris

[@1fanger]

+Jacob Mcdonald Amen!

[@seanrea550]

+Jacob Mcdonald may those that have died find peace, those that lived find comfort and those responsible be brought to justice.

[@tonyktx44]

+Jacob Mcdonald Amen brother, and curses for ISIS

[@seanrea550]

pray for all affected by war and violence. pray for Paris. prayer is appropriate in this case and for those in the position to help, they should help. For those who are not in the position to help this is the way they can stand in support of those that can. sometimes the hard part is knowing how to help.

[@Kaydwardson]

+ehy it's very unfortunate that i can't do nothing, but i won't lament too, in not in this position

[@Pprokop87]

some nice ideas, but it is a semi-auto riffle, not LMG. if it would be presented as s-a riffle, something good could come out of it......

[@Pprokop87]

yup. history first, and hopefully only, semi-auto lmg. but the idea for semi auto riffle is not bad.

[@MrAvant123]

Little bit less good than the BREN !

[@geraldford8255]

When this is called an LMG and the BAR is called an automatic rifle, makes no sense.

[@asphaltmemories4597]

+Federation of the World BAR stands for Browning Automatic Rifle, LMG is just a basic nomenclature for Light Machine gun.

[@geraldford8255]

Matthew Fauria I think it is strange that the BAR can shot fully automatic but is only called an automatic rifle and this gun in the video is a semi automatic rifle but it is called an light machine gun.

[@geraldford8255]

And I saying "an" in all the wrong places...

[@Gloomshadow100]

+Federation of the World the BAR was named actually BEFORE World War 1... a lot of people don't know this but the BAR existed way back then but was kept in secret and not issued, it was considered a "secret weapon" at that time.

[@Gloomshadow100]

+Federation of the World actually I take that back, now that I think about it the BAR may have come out eventually late in world war one... youd have to check

[@jacquesblaque7728]

Not gonna point out the difference between a cylinder and a piston, since they're so obvious, Ian. Just saying- pointing at a cylinder and calling it a piston is like the sound of fingernails on a blackboard. :')

[@DarkestVampire92]

"I don´t see any reason why you couldn´t go ahead and shoot this." Oh, i think i know a reason.... Estimated auction price 15.000 - 25.000 dollars. Granted not as bad as the Colt 1909 you had earlier this week, but thats still the value of a new car you´re gradually decreasing with every shot.

[@hawks1ish]

very Japanese inspired although they even put bayonets on mortars, heavy machine guns and some artillery pieces because having a blade on your weapon made a farmer who joined up as a private feel like an elite samurai

[@haralambospetalas5882]

hahah very Japaneses inspired

[@Kaydwardson]

All White's rifles are too much complicated, i guess he never had any military/combat experience, because those weapons must be a horror to field strip and clean.

[@Kaydwardson]

Not even mentioning their bulkiness.. but i appreciate his work anyways

[@Legitimerad_Tandlakare]

First

[@Legitimerad_Tandlakare]

+Chipmunkslamdunk well, that escalated quickly

[@RuSeK195]

+Chipmunkslamdunk u mad?

[@mini_high]

I wish you could shoot with these rare guns