WHITECHAPEL: The First Wave of Deathcore | Garza Podcast 78

[@Bigtaco6031]

The Red Chord is always left off the list but they were doing it in 1999 before deathcore existed. One of the true OGs.

[@jakepayne2985]

Lay the tarp!!

[@jonpresley1163]

Animosity too

[@Daniel_Lynch]

Fused together in revolving doors...they ain't core though..they actually were a good band where most these core bands just fuckin blow

[@bradsnothingspecial]

​@@Daniel_Lynch why are you listening to a deathcore podcast lol

[@Daniel_Lynch]

@@bradsnothingspecial It comes up I'm recommended cuz I watched his interview with Glen benton of DEICIDE who definitely ain't core.

[@perrinsmith3019]

I always knew Whitechapel were from Tennessee but Phil and Alex’s country accents coming through when they talk throws me every time😂😂😂

[@minuswon]

They really don't sound that country tbh. If you were in the country country you'd be like wtf

[@Rob_Cary]

I don't really hear it as much with Phil but I definitely do with Alex haha

[@PleaseForgiveYourself]

Yeah that Southern comin' out strong. Knoxville baby.

[@metalbabee]

​@@minuswon they both definitely have country accents. They don't have suuuper strong drawls, but you can hear it pop up with certain words like "I" "but" and "y'all" and then things like "listenen tuh". An accent doesn't need to be super strong and in your face for it to be there!

[@minuswon]

@metalbabe543 True. I was just meaning they aren't country bumpkin sounding at all. Not that that's a bad thing, but people judge you pretty quickly with that in general. I've lived in rural areas and southern "cities" for about the same amount of time, and the drawl is like the humidity. It just stays 💯

[@headtrips1]

Despised Icon, whitechapel, Suicide Silence, Carnifex, rose funeral, JFAC, veil of maya, winds of plague were all on rotation for me when I was 15-16. That era doesn’t get spoken of enough and the music is just as good as any metal elitist band.

[@jaysonofgigachad9795]

The golden age of deathcore. I still love all of those bands.

[@tiaraguy7705]

Friend showed me Veil of Maya one time and I still remember asking him who the band was, ended up listening to the entire Matriarch album and loved it.

[@SkeetInTheEar]

ngl BMTH count your blessings album is also peak

[@JoshuaGraves113]

Can't forget Thy Art is Murder.

[@americanaccents]

Rose Funeralllll 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@kollinrose]

I agree Phil's performance of unanswered is iconic🔥🤘

[@jeremydickenson8059]

Phil is a genius! He's a brilliant man period.the mix of this band is the best thing to ever happen to metal!.. And then he starts doing clean?! OMG his voice is amazing.

[@stonecoldsteverharvey7862]

Lambesis performance of wake up is excellent

[@mattmax8599]

Honestly it's still in my rotation now!

[@williamconstantin1576]

New wave sucks

[@metalsnake3557]

Whitechapel and Suicide Silence 1st albums are deathcore classics.

[@13ninjakill]

Id throw in carnifex and chelsea grin and job for a cowboy. All 5 of those bands were my favorites at one time. Still are favorites.

[@dudelydudeington9789]

I don't even mean to sound shitty when I say this, but The Somatic Defilement and This is Exile are the only two albums from Whitechapel that I listen to and they, in my opinion, are the epitome of classic deathcore sound.

[@Brunetto46]

The old All shall perish too...come on

[@_Egil]

@@dudelydudeington9789I enjoy all Whitechapel but I agree those two albums are the greatest

[@Mothodus]

​@Brunetto46 underrated comment.The Price of Existence is 🤌🏼

[@dustingregoire7201]

Glad to hear Phil say they wanted to put out a heavy record again

[@bmeijer7776]

I love Phil's memory of riff writing 😂 Alex : Phil wrote a good 4-5 riffs for Kin' Phil: 'Did I? oh yeah?' 🤣

[@Moocow3166]

Hearing Phil say he wants to make a scary evil menacing album has me so excited for the next WC album 💀💀💀

[@zacharyskelly2291]

@@Moocow3166 this aged like fine wine

[@jbasti227]

Absolute legends of the genre. Can’t wait to hear this. It’d be awesome to get JFAC too someday especially nowadays since it seems like they’re planning a comeback

[@ea1622]

he's interviewed Scott from carnifex!

[@GarzaPodcast]

Jonny is on my list. Would LOVE to go deep w where the JFAC sound came from. -GaЯza

[@cleetusmcgooter01]

a JFAC episode would be so sick, I've always felt that band didn't get the level of love they deserved

[@jbasti227]

@@ea1622 Oh that’s right I forgot lol

[@ea1622]

@josephbastidas3561 hearing from the Whole carnifex crew would be pretty sick too, though! 💪

[@codyeakinsbradley]

I remember when Somatic dropped and couldn't comprehend what the fuck was going on. The myspace era really helped feed the family tree of metal.

[@kylekeeler6631]

The amount these guys talked about JFAC has made me remember how much I want them back. Sun Eater is one of the best death metal albums ever and Johnny is just unreal good

[@Skeletal33]

Jfac has a new album; its finished. They announced 1 show in sept

[@MoSweiti666]

Probably in October or November the new album comes out.

[@Thenewbronzeagecollapse]

Also Johnny's side project Serpent Of Gnosis.

[@heraldgreenbanger5488]

They are coming to blue ridge rock fest!!! Can’t wait to see them!!!!

[@matttheman3923]

@@heraldgreenbanger5488being able to see them was great, then Lorna shore after and sleep token before. Other than that….blue ridge was uhhh a complete shit show 😂😂

[@Machinedead]

I have to be honest. In the myspace d-core days, the bands in that corner that I was focusing on were; All Shall Perish, Through The Eyes of The Dead, As Blood Runs Black, The Black Dahlia Murder, Despised Icon, The Red Chord, but I did notice and listen to Jfac, Sui Silence, Whitechapel, Carnifex, The Faceless (akeldama era)... and some Animosity, Burning Skies, The Acacia Strain, Bleed From Within, Bring Me The Horizon, Knights of the Abyss, Annotations Of an Autopsy, Salt The Wound, early After the Burial/Born of Osiris/Veil of Maya.. but now that i listen to this podcast I would pay some money to see as much possible of these bands all together in a mega tour package ! Please consider it if you guys see the opportunity!!! 💥🤘🔥🌪 Europe/USA needs this in post-corona times!

[@MetalJeffrey]

3 of the realest guys I've ever met in Metal in one room. This episode is basically christmas to me. Thank you Garza🤘🏻🖤

[@melina_must_die7370]

MY TWO FAVORITE BANDS

[@Velocisaurusman]

Finally rewatching this episode after “A Visceral Retch” dropped and I’m so happy that they delivered exactly what they said they were going to do.

[@michaeldoomchild4861]

Whitechapel, Job for a Cowboy, and Oceano were my favorite deathcore bands back in the day.

[@bullsajawn]

Depths still slaps, FLESHHHHHH

[@austineittreim5085]

Damn. Hearing Phil talk about Mitch at 1:01:58 was really moving.

[@tricksonafixed]

When Phil starts talking about Mitch towards the end it gave me chills. Mitch in my opinion is one of the most iconic vocalists in metal period. Phil as well to be completely honest. The two of them have this aura and absolute power and devastation that they bring to the table it’s unmatched.

[@kylemcbrien601]

Travis Ryan is the goat

[@tricksonafixed]

@@kylemcbrien601 "KINGDOM OF TYRANTS" in his weird ass minions voice.

[@Thenewbronzeagecollapse]

@@tricksonafixed Tbh his goblin voice might be the best thing I've ever heard. Melodic yet at the same time brutal as hell.

[@tricksonafixed]

@@Thenewbronzeagecollapse I love Time’s Cruel Curtain. His melodic vocal delivery on that song makes it even more brutal alongside what the instrumentation is doing.

[@stars_fan_92]

Great interview! Would be cool to see Born of Osiris on the podcast sometime!

[@i-am-not-a-donkey]

2:56 I think he's talking about the Red Chord, which is band that gets looked over way too much.

[@JohnHenry1331]

Everyday episode feels like Christmas. Love this podcast ❤.

[@beangryatyourself]

I didn’t know I needed this episode. This was beautiful. Felt like I was in a room with good friends just catching up.

[@jeromesimon8916]

The Redchord is probably the prototype deathcore band

[@gatesa7x15]

So happy how far Whitechapel has come, great musicians. Would love to see Kublai Khan up in the studio.

[@tonist.7136]

This is the real deal. Pure Deathcore.

[@RichardGarcia93]

Deathcore*

[@routeshell]

God, this podcast! The best (and heaviest for sure) of all time! Thank you so much Chris Garza. Please keep on doing this as long as you can

[@GarzaPodcast]

I really appreciate that. Keeping this going every week has been fkn crazy. Taxing on myself TBH. Nothing weed & mushrooms can’t fix tho haha. -GaЯza

[@wolfmane2223]

I feel like "Our Endless War" is the perfect balance from Whitechapel, for me.

[@ericneedham6032]

Whitechapel is a such a good band

[@Magdalena8008s]

Grew up in Murfreesboro/Manchester, Tennessee. The only band we had was Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza. Which, lucky to have got to see them play bowling alleys. And then all the local shows. And Whitechapel would also roll through Middle Tennessee at the beginnings. And that's basically all we had. Danza and Whitechapel. All things considered, we were lucky.

[@Solemn_Sinner]

I grew up in the Knoxville area and had a lot of family in nashville/murfreesboro. There were also other bands out there like A Plea For Purging, Alcina, Alert The Sky, As Hell Retreats, and some others. But Danza was definitely the one that most people will remember.

[@Rob_Cary]

Danza was so good. I wish Josh Travis would bring some of that Danza flavor to Emmure.

[@calitheguitarist]

I saw Danza in Cookeville open for Born of Osiris. Way back in the day.

[@blegh.3403]

⁠@@Solemn_Sinner Holy shit I saw Plea at a Murfreesboro church in like ‘06! Andy was the chillest dude after the show!

[@Solemn_Sinner]

@@blegh.3403 I saw plea in the Knoxville area the first time before Andy ever joined. I've seen them a bunch. I still keep in contact with their guitarist Blake.

[@bradfoster8146]

The way they showed how big of fans they are of Suicide Silence shows that they have stayed humble even throughout their success. I love these dudes. Solid episode!

[@adamcastillo3976]

I hands down think this is the best episode you’ve done! I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Best Whitechapel interview by far too! I hope there’s a part 2!

[@metalbabee]

Dude I STILL listen to wecamewithbrokenteeth, just put them on the other day! Hearing all of this is so nostalgic. Listened to Suicide, Whitechapel, and JFAC back in 2007/2008 and became completely fixated on metal from there on out. Scoured the internet for more and more metal, absolutely drove my mom mad hahaa. Thanks guys! 🖤

[@203-g7w]

yes sir…they JUST 4 MONTHS AGO put Wecamewithbrokenteeeth on apple music. i’ve been surviving that band from youtube and old burnt cds…but that’s some high school shit

[@metalbabee]

@@203-g7w omg yeah girl! I have them on a mixed cd I made back in high school, so much fun to listen to! ☺️

[@davidviscaino6713]

Y’all remember Hiroshima Will Burn???? Anyone???

[@cindyrecinos4308]

Oh my god, haven’t heard anyone in awhile bring up wecamewithbrokenteeth!

[@ericneedham6032]

We need a PART 2 of Whitechapel!! Best interview I’ve seen in years!!

[@Dwheel_91]

Hope that Chris and the crew could try to get BMTH in for an episode and as well get their take of that early Deathcore years coming from the '04-'05 scene with their Demo going into Count Your Blessings record. Love Phil's perspective with getting older while loving the metal genre, not the whole scene. Also becoming a dad added more change of mental state from some songs of bands. "It's Evolution!" As Korn and Jonathan Davis once said 😅

[@Cobhcrew22]

We need Jonny Davey on the podcast now. 🤘🏼

[@Chapeled]

Best episode yet.. part 2 please!

[@drewcadaver]

Great episode. I've definitely found that getting older and learning to work WITH the other bands in our local scene rather than everyone scrambling over each other constantly has really helped to build the whole thing up. Rising tides raises all ships and all that. Really looking forward to seeing Whitechapel in Glasgow in December, wish they were headlining though!

[@albroz6731]

Bring Despised Icon and Job for a Cowboy , that would be fn awesome 🙏🙌

[@coldcooknation700]

Phil Bozeman is my hero and he is the reason I got into vocals when I was 13. I'm 30 now and just started learning vocals after 9 years of not doing them. This dude gives me fuel to succeed. Visceral retch is sick ASF 🤘🤘🤘

[@CallOfTheVoid1031]

I know this is silly, but seeing the two bands that I'm inspired by talk about the genre I love is almost a dream come true. You are both so great. Phil is my goat, and ss is the face of it. Such a great interview, Garza!

[@skagor1178]

Hearing Phil say he has the itch to write heavy again has me very very very very very very excited! PLEASE!

[@PowerfulReactions]

Loved the conversation. Cheers 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@powerhitter033]

Whitechapel absolutely slays! You 3 could write some crazy music together! Would be insane!

[@powerhitter033]

Also, just saw Whitechapel on this tour and they were unreal! Their sound was ON POINT! A New Era of Corruption is my favorite Whitechapel album as well!

[@GarzaPodcast]

Sic idea actually. -GaЯza

[@Catbus-Driver]

Warped Tour 2010 in Toronto, I saw SS and White Chapel play, got a picture with Mitch and came home to find out Alex from Despised Icon was staring into the camera from the back of the SS tent. Despised Icon didn't even play that year, so I guess he just came to hang out lol. Awesome to hear Phil shouting them out still too, they don't show up in the big name discussions as often as they should.

[@Colby_Purrins801]

The fact that Phil is excited to write HEAVY shit again just makes my heart so happy. Can’t freaking WAIT!!! Also fingers crossed for a Whitechapel and Suicide Silence coheadline tour for 2024!!!!

[@SceneCoreIsNotDead]

I’m much more of a scene / crabcore fan but my god when Chris starting talking about Mitch… i started crying! No matter what style of metal you listened to or still listen to, you can’t deny the raw talent Mitch had! He is an icon for a reason! RIP Mitch, we love you and miss you man! Gone too soon 🫶🏻🖤🥀

[@Tragich3ro]

Phil speaks my language..there’s a reason why I idolize this dude and when he mentions your roots calling back to you just hit me. I’ve been out of practice on my vocals and just music in general. Now I’ve recently started making a home studio and finally getting around to learning guitar bc even at 30 years old I still have that passion to do it and I’ve let life get in the way for too long and now I’m getting back to what made me who I am today. I won’t stop until I make the most brutal fucking music that I can be proud of. Whitechapel will always be the goat’s of metal. 🤘

[@To-attempt-too]

I love how the boys from Whitechapel talked about how hard it is to tap back into that mentality and then go and release "A Visceral Retch." SS and WC are the GOATS!

[@decepticonmark]

"BING BONG BANG" - Phil Bozeman 2023

[@captainconvulsion]

It's so awesome to hear them reference JFAC and All Shall Perish

[@alexmartin51]

I think the band they're talking about at the start that formed in 99 has to be The Red Chord

[@ovechkin0831]

That Unanswered cover is one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

[@mooseworld5678]

This is amazing. I’ve been amazed at how the quality of this podcast popped off so early. Chris is a true professional

[@Demolisher375]

Garza this podcast is going to be so fire tonight at work!! Thank Garza you're forever and always the goat 🤘

[@justinmcpherson]

Why Whitechapel was regarded as one of the big 4 deathcore bands is because they represented the "East coast" deathcore scene!!! They even said it themselves... All the bands they mentioned where located on the West Coast!!! My high school band was one of the earliest deathcore bands in my area. I had Krank gear!!! My band was called "Wolves Among Sheep".

[@kevbo3908]

still listen to Invocation of Nehek to this day. Discovering that band in 2004 was crazy. Insane to hear them brought up on this podcast

[@Rob_Cary]

When they were talking about the noisy electronic grind bands, I was hoping they'd bring up the berzerker lol they were ridiculous

[@decadesofsegregation9677]

ION was insane especially the demo. At one point/time are they brought up?

[@zetchTV]

So crazy to see these two discuss the origins of discovering the sound they ended up pulling me in with. The first bands I ever really listened to that were "deathcore" or at least didn't have any clean vocals and had breakdowns were Whitechapel, Carnifex, and Oceano. I'm glad that so many of these bands have stuck around and even the people who were inspiring them as well. I still love to listen to Whitechapel all the time to this day. Mostly old, but the newer albums have been growing on me a lot lately.

[@jaytonlening]

Massive thank you to both bands for being apart of my youth and the memories that I have with your music as the soundtrack. Also all the shows I got to be apart seeing you both and other bands of the time. So stoked on this interview 🤘🏼

[@ashleyamador1823]

I remember seeing Whitechapel for the first time in 2010 in Odessa Tx in some random barn and been hooked ever since

[@skizr4200]

Listening to his concerns about the next album being too dark makes me look forward to it coming out even more

[@brandonfaubion9536]

Loved this podcast. Thank you for making this happen.

[@brettevans2138]

Whitechapel to this day is the greatest live show I've ever seen. Saw them in 2010 here in Alaska

[@Solemn_Sinner]

Love watching these Whitechapel interviews and podcasts. Growing up in the Knoxville area, I met Alex like 3 years before chapel ever came to be. I still listen to one of his old bands, Redwinterdying on a semi-regular basis! Can't wait to hear the new stuff Whitechapel is about to start writing!

[@Bryan_Richardson]

Have to love Whitechapel. They make some comment in this interview about not letting ego get in the way. They consistently, seemingly recently, will tour and not be the headliner. They deserve to headline the world. But they don’t care. They can do no wrong. They just love playing metal for us. Infinitely admirable.

[@donp3mofo521]

My introduction to deathcore was Whitechapel’s This Is Exile & Suicide Silence’s The Cleansing. Those 2 albums will always be the golden GOATs for me, and still listen to religiously. This podcast episode makes the high school version of me so happy 🖤

[@DeddSpace3810]

Saw both these bands at Warp Tour in 2011 and was blown away by the intensity and musicianship

[@lchaney]

One of the greatest bands to EVER do it. Cant believe you guys were rivals, but it makes sense. You're both prolific, genre-defining bands. Also, I love everything from Somatic to Kin and people need to stop expecting bands to keep putting out the same album over and over again.

[@Samuraijake93]

I love the boys in whitechapel so much they are all amazing and I've listened to them for so long now since this is exile! I love all their stuff but sm really excited to hear Phil say he wants to write some real evil nasty heavy shit!!

[@layan4124]

Loved this episode!! Amazing to see three icons in the space come together after all those years of animosity, which I hadn't known existed. I was super young when I started listening to deathcore around 2012-13, but SS and whitechapel were always THE bands in the space, and I have nothing but respect for you all. You took that risk and put yourselves out there before it was ever cool or appreciated in any form, but now have the influence and status in the scene to show for it!

[@MetalheadSailor]

Always looked forward to seeing members of 2 of the biggest bands in deathcore sitting down with one another talking about the earlier years and how they gained there popularity. Great job Chris

[@sixdeities7555]

GARZA PODCAST THE GOAT

[@shredhead4604]

Dude forever been wanting on this one🤘Hell yea Garza best metal podcast hands down🤘

[@itsthekid93]

Phil talking about bands being serious while touring with archspire is pretty great to me

[@d.fpdxhxc]

😆🤣😂🤣😂🤘🤘🤘🤘🎵🎶🎵🎶

[@fettfan91]

Saw Whitechapel live at Mayhem fest and these dudes brought the heat! Awesome episode

[@brentanton7466]

This is my favorite episode so far.

[@uolegullook3847]

Listened to WC all through late high school - even started a band and wanted to be like Phil. Fell out of the "Deathcore" scene a few years after and randomly came across "Kin" and man what a life changing album. Love the direction, and love how these dudes are still doing so well.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

knight of the abyss from AZ and Job for a cowboy were so amazing in that era 2006-2007

[@ovechkin0831]

Whitechapel is by far one of my favorite bands of all time. Phil is the absolute best and one of my biggest inspirations in screaming. So excited for this!

[@Mall-Nutrition]

I found out about Whitechapel in 2007 when flipping through the direct tv music channels. They popped up and that memory molded into my brain. One of the bands I’ve seen the most live and they always kill it.

[@FilthySzn]

it was cool to hear Phil in this longform conversation. Thanks Garza! 🤘

[@frogoree]

Crazy listening to you guys talk about a time that was fucking amazing for me as well as a fan. I was a kid and my dad brought me to the 2010 tour for A New Era of Corruption and it's still one of my best memories. Such a magical time for the genre and being a kid in it. Only band missing from that legendary tour was Suicide Silence. Whitechapel and Suicide Silence changed my world man, thanks for doing this episode.

[@KardashevBand]

Mad respect for the candidness of this conversation. Awesome discussion. Thank you for hosting this, Garza.

[@MrAlecksTv]

awesome interview love both bands. Glad to see the guys all get along

[@ridleysomeliana-lauer5814]

Stoked on this one. Love that y’all pinned Ross as one of the prototypes for the deathcore gutturals. Dude is absolutely a big blueprint.

[@kadajtribal8532]

Getting older make us wiser. I don't know who said this but it still rings today; "A smart man learns from his mistakes but a wise man learns from the mistakes of others."

[@Aenigmakil]

Two of the only bands I love where the latest three albums are my favourites from both.

[@josephcalleiro8328]

This was awesome to see and listen to. Coming from the same generation, it was really sweet to hear. Big love guys! 🤘🏼🖤✨

[@joshvandruff8945]

I’m so pumped to find a podcast for hardcore/ deathcore kids. I feel so included rn.

[@brucejones7389]

I saw Whitechapel in Chicago 2015 at Mayhem Festival and I was hooked ever since

[@mooredrummer95]

Well worth the wait. Favorite podcast from Garza hands down

[@rarespawncollective]

When Phil was talking about their albums/change of sound and he said that he wants to "break the cycle" and start writing heavy stuff again and go back to his roots....FUCKING YESS. I'm so stoked for their new material now!

[@KaozVirtus]

Same here dude! I can’t wait, this next one sounds FUCKING VIOLENT 🔥🤘😈🤘🔥

[@ernest1576]

I'm 60yrs. Old your song anticure caught my attention your previous music is very different than bands of your time should have won a Grammy for that song

[@pipecastph3317]

"as soon as we're born, we start dying". This has always been in my vocab.

[@blantonstamey6455]

Great podcast! Thoroughly enjoyed this since there’s not a ton of podcasts/interviews out there with Whitechapel.

[@TexasRigour]

Met Phil in 2011 after summer slaughter outside HOB in Houston. Really nice guy thank you very much for pic.

[@joeblow8278]

43:45 this is exactly why i will always prefer small venue shows over arena style venues. If Phil and the boys are ever coming across the iowa/illinois border please consider stopping off at RIBCO or another small local venue for a one off show. I'd love to see it.

[@kazanyemmi]

All this talk about the myspace days takes me back to when my band opened for Suicide Silence in 2009. I had such a difficult time back then because we opened litteral days after i foubd my mom after she passed away. Some of my friends told me i didn't need to play and shouldnt feel bad if i didn't but it was probably the best thing i could do in that point in time because who knew if id ever have that opportunity to open for one of my top five again.

[@thetrendisdead1]

George Fisher with Igorrr is brutal! Corpse are the OG!

[@VitrificationOfBlood]

Love this podcast man! Suggestion: get Full of Hell on here, the masters of the extreme currently.

[@DregHeaps]

Big yup

[@WorldofFood]

Three OGs shooting the shit and discuss pioneering the genre. Excellent stuff!