WHITECHAPEL: The First Wave of Deathcore | Garza Podcast 78

[@Bigtaco6031]

The Red Chord is always left off the list but they were doing it in 1999 before deathcore existed. One of the true OGs.

[@jakepayne2985]

Lay the tarp!!

[@jonpresley1163]

Animosity too

[@Daniel_Lynch]

Fused together in revolving doors...they ain't core though..they actually were a good band where most these core bands just fuckin blow

[@bradsnothingspecial]

​@@Daniel_Lynch why are you listening to a deathcore podcast lol

[@Daniel_Lynch]

@@bradsnothingspecial It comes up I'm recommended cuz I watched his interview with Glen benton of DEICIDE who definitely ain't core.

[@kollinrose]

I agree Phil's performance of unanswered is iconic🔥🤘

[@jeremydickenson8059]

Phil is a genius! He's a brilliant man period.the mix of this band is the best thing to ever happen to metal!.. And then he starts doing clean?! OMG his voice is amazing.

[@stonecoldsteverharvey7862]

Lambesis performance of wake up is excellent

[@mattmax8599]

Honestly it's still in my rotation now!

[@metalsnake3557]

Whitechapel and Suicide Silence 1st albums are deathcore classics.

[@13ninjakill]

Id throw in carnifex and chelsea grin and job for a cowboy. All 5 of those bands were my favorites at one time. Still are favorites.

[@dudelydudeington9789]

I don't even mean to sound shitty when I say this, but The Somatic Defilement and This is Exile are the only two albums from Whitechapel that I listen to and they, in my opinion, are the epitome of classic deathcore sound.

[@Brunetto46]

The old All shall perish too...come on

[@_Egil]

@@dudelydudeington9789I enjoy all Whitechapel but I agree those two albums are the greatest

[@Mothodus]

​@Brunetto46 underrated comment.The Price of Existence is 🤌🏼

[@Moocow3166]

Hearing Phil say he wants to make a scary evil menacing album has me so excited for the next WC album 💀💀💀

[@perrinsmith3019]

I always knew Whitechapel were from Tennessee but Phil and Alex’s country accents coming through when they talk throws me every time😂😂😂

[@minuswon]

They really don't sound that country tbh. If you were in the country country you'd be like wtf

[@Rob_Cary]

I don't really hear it as much with Phil but I definitely do with Alex haha

[@PleaseForgiveYourself]

Yeah that Southern comin' out strong. Knoxville baby.

[@metalbabee]

​@@minuswon they both definitely have country accents. They don't have suuuper strong drawls, but you can hear it pop up with certain words like "I" "but" and "y'all" and then things like "listenen tuh". An accent doesn't need to be super strong and in your face for it to be there!

[@minuswon]

@metalbabe543 True. I was just meaning they aren't country bumpkin sounding at all. Not that that's a bad thing, but people judge you pretty quickly with that in general. I've lived in rural areas and southern "cities" for about the same amount of time, and the drawl is like the humidity. It just stays 💯

[@dustingregoire7201]

Glad to hear Phil say they wanted to put out a heavy record again

[@kylekeeler6631]

The amount these guys talked about JFAC has made me remember how much I want them back. Sun Eater is one of the best death metal albums ever and Johnny is just unreal good

[@Skeletal33]

Jfac has a new album; its finished. They announced 1 show in sept

[@MoSweiti666]

Probably in October or November the new album comes out.

[@Thenewbronzeagecollapse]

Also Johnny's side project Serpent Of Gnosis.

[@heraldgreenbanger5488]

They are coming to blue ridge rock fest!!! Can’t wait to see them!!!!

[@matttheman3923]

@@heraldgreenbanger5488being able to see them was great, then Lorna shore after and sleep token before. Other than that….blue ridge was uhhh a complete shit show 😂😂

[@jbasti227]

Absolute legends of the genre. Can’t wait to hear this. It’d be awesome to get JFAC too someday especially nowadays since it seems like they’re planning a comeback

[@ea1622]

he's interviewed Scott from carnifex!

[@GarzaPodcast]

Jonny is on my list. Would LOVE to go deep w where the JFAC sound came from. -GaЯza

[@cleetusmcgooter01]

a JFAC episode would be so sick, I've always felt that band didn't get the level of love they deserved

[@jbasti227]

@@ea1622 Oh that’s right I forgot lol

[@ea1622]

@josephbastidas3561 hearing from the Whole carnifex crew would be pretty sick too, though! 💪

[@tricksonafixed]

When Phil starts talking about Mitch towards the end it gave me chills. Mitch in my opinion is one of the most iconic vocalists in metal period. Phil as well to be completely honest. The two of them have this aura and absolute power and devastation that they bring to the table it’s unmatched.

[@kylemcbrien601]

Travis Ryan is the goat

[@tricksonafixed]

@@kylemcbrien601 "KINGDOM OF TYRANTS" in his weird ass minions voice.

[@Thenewbronzeagecollapse]

@@tricksonafixed Tbh his goblin voice might be the best thing I've ever heard. Melodic yet at the same time brutal as hell.

[@tricksonafixed]

@@Thenewbronzeagecollapse I love Time’s Cruel Curtain. His melodic vocal delivery on that song makes it even more brutal alongside what the instrumentation is doing.

[@michaeldoomchild4861]

Whitechapel, Job for a Cowboy, and Oceano were my favorite deathcore bands back in the day.

[@bullsajawn]

Depths still slaps, FLESHHHHHH

[@MetalJeffrey]

3 of the realest guys I've ever met in Metal in one room. This episode is basically christmas to me. Thank you Garza🤘🏻🖤

[@tonist.7136]

This is the real deal. Pure Deathcore.

[@RichardGarcia93]

Deathcore*

[@melina_must_die7370]

MY TWO FAVORITE BANDS

[@codyeakinsbradley]

I remember when Somatic dropped and couldn't comprehend what the fuck was going on. The myspace era really helped feed the family tree of metal.

[@beangryatyourself]

I didn’t know I needed this episode. This was beautiful. Felt like I was in a room with good friends just catching up.

[@austineittreim5085]

Damn. Hearing Phil talk about Mitch at 1:01:58 was really moving.

[@gatesa7x15]

So happy how far Whitechapel has come, great musicians. Would love to see Kublai Khan up in the studio.

[@ericneedham6032]

Whitechapel is a such a good band

[@CallOfTheVoid1031]

I know this is silly, but seeing the two bands that I'm inspired by talk about the genre I love is almost a dream come true. You are both so great. Phil is my goat, and ss is the face of it. Such a great interview, Garza!

[@jeromesimon8916]

The Redchord is probably the prototype deathcore band

[@adamcastillo3976]

I hands down think this is the best episode you’ve done! I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Best Whitechapel interview by far too! I hope there’s a part 2!

[@i-am-not-a-donkey]

2:56 I think he's talking about the Red Chord, which is band that gets looked over way too much.

[@bradfoster8146]

The way they showed how big of fans they are of Suicide Silence shows that they have stayed humble even throughout their success. I love these dudes. Solid episode!

[@ericneedham6032]

We need a PART 2 of Whitechapel!! Best interview I’ve seen in years!!

[@Catbus-Driver]

Warped Tour 2010 in Toronto, I saw SS and White Chapel play, got a picture with Mitch and came home to find out Alex from Despised Icon was staring into the camera from the back of the SS tent. Despised Icon didn't even play that year, so I guess he just came to hang out lol. Awesome to hear Phil shouting them out still too, they don't show up in the big name discussions as often as they should.

[@wolfmane2223]

I feel like "Our Endless War" is the perfect balance from Whitechapel, for me.

[@powerhitter033]

Whitechapel absolutely slays! You 3 could write some crazy music together! Would be insane!

[@powerhitter033]

Also, just saw Whitechapel on this tour and they were unreal! Their sound was ON POINT! A New Era of Corruption is my favorite Whitechapel album as well!

[@GarzaPodcast]

Sic idea actually. -GaЯza

[@Chapeled]

Best episode yet.. part 2 please!

[@sixdeities7555]

GARZA PODCAST THE GOAT

[@skagor1178]

Hearing Phil say he has the itch to write heavy again has me very very very very very very excited! PLEASE!

[@TamicaKeimig]

One of my all time favorite bands!!!

[@albroz6731]

Bring Despised Icon and Job for a Cowboy , that would be fn awesome 🙏🙌

[@captainconvulsion]

It's so awesome to hear them reference JFAC and All Shall Perish

[@mooseworld5678]

This is amazing. I’ve been amazed at how the quality of this podcast popped off so early. Chris is a true professional

[@justinmcpherson]

Why Whitechapel was regarded as one of the big 4 deathcore bands is because they represented the "East coast" deathcore scene!!! They even said it themselves... All the bands they mentioned where located on the West Coast!!! My high school band was one of the earliest deathcore bands in my area. I had Krank gear!!! My band was called "Wolves Among Sheep".

[@Colby_Purrins801]

The fact that Phil is excited to write HEAVY shit again just makes my heart so happy. Can’t freaking WAIT!!! Also fingers crossed for a Whitechapel and Suicide Silence coheadline tour for 2024!!!!

[@misterbaker9728]

Just got hip to this band. Wow 47 old man and I’m blown away

[@alexmartin51]

I think the band they're talking about at the start that formed in 99 has to be The Red Chord

[@brandonfaubion9536]

Loved this podcast. Thank you for making this happen.

[@SceneCoreIsNotDead]

I’m much more of a scene / crabcore fan but my god when Chris starting talking about Mitch… i started crying! No matter what style of metal you listened to or still listen to, you can’t deny the raw talent Mitch had! He is an icon for a reason! RIP Mitch, we love you and miss you man! Gone too soon 🫶🏻🖤🥀

[@ovechkin0831]

That Unanswered cover is one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

[@Velocisaurusman]

Finally rewatching this episode after “A Visceral Retch” dropped and I’m so happy that they delivered exactly what they said they were going to do.

[@Demolisher375]

Garza this podcast is going to be so fire tonight at work!! Thank Garza you're forever and always the goat 🤘

[@ZeeMinion]

You heard it here first, Canada invented deathcore when Despised Icon came out. You’re welcome world!

[@blastbeatindustries3191]

Nailed it.

[@arandomperson1999]

Antagony and the Red Chord both came out before Despised icon

[@AT-mv2mr]

@Blastbeat Industries The Healing Process and The Ills Of Modern Man, no album came close back then. Accept The Last Felony, but they were more Death Metal

[@Rob_Cary]

The first Despised Icon album has one of those so bad it's good kinda things goin on lol. They got alot better obviously but that first album was just hilarious from start to finish.

[@MySpaceDxC_Suffo_AtTheGates]

Antagony invented deathcore. It’s a fact.

[@zetchTV]

So crazy to see these two discuss the origins of discovering the sound they ended up pulling me in with. The first bands I ever really listened to that were "deathcore" or at least didn't have any clean vocals and had breakdowns were Whitechapel, Carnifex, and Oceano. I'm glad that so many of these bands have stuck around and even the people who were inspiring them as well. I still love to listen to Whitechapel all the time to this day. Mostly old, but the newer albums have been growing on me a lot lately.

[@theReignofRon]

Alex with the TTEOTD reference!!!

[@shredhead4604]

Dude forever been wanting on this one🤘Hell yea Garza best metal podcast hands down🤘

[@slxxpyhollow]

The big 3 of deathcore, at least to me, was always Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, and Chelsea Grin.

[@Solemn_Sinner]

Love watching these Whitechapel interviews and podcasts. Growing up in the Knoxville area, I met Alex like 3 years before chapel ever came to be. I still listen to one of his old bands, Redwinterdying on a semi-regular basis! Can't wait to hear the new stuff Whitechapel is about to start writing!

[@brentanton7466]

This is my favorite episode so far.

[@fettfan91]

Saw Whitechapel live at Mayhem fest and these dudes brought the heat! Awesome episode

[@jg7923]

Despised Icon and The Red Chord were also some of the first Deathcore bands

[@brettevans2138]

Whitechapel to this day is the greatest live show I've ever seen. Saw them in 2010 here in Alaska

[@ashleyamador1823]

I remember seeing Whitechapel for the first time in 2010 in Odessa Tx in some random barn and been hooked ever since

[@DeddSpace3810]

Saw both these bands at Warp Tour in 2011 and was blown away by the intensity and musicianship

[@layan4124]

Loved this episode!! Amazing to see three icons in the space come together after all those years of animosity, which I hadn't known existed. I was super young when I started listening to deathcore around 2012-13, but SS and whitechapel were always THE bands in the space, and I have nothing but respect for you all. You took that risk and put yourselves out there before it was ever cool or appreciated in any form, but now have the influence and status in the scene to show for it!

[@Samuraijake93]

I love the boys in whitechapel so much they are all amazing and I've listened to them for so long now since this is exile! I love all their stuff but sm really excited to hear Phil say he wants to write some real evil nasty heavy shit!!

[@mmdxc570]

Garza should try a Podcast with Josh Brainard and Anders coselfini, it would be interesting to know the stories of these guys, they never had space or a voice in the media, they helped Slipknot a lot in the beginning and they don't get the attention they deserve.

[@frogoree]

Crazy listening to you guys talk about a time that was fucking amazing for me as well as a fan. I was a kid and my dad brought me to the 2010 tour for A New Era of Corruption and it's still one of my best memories. Such a magical time for the genre and being a kid in it. Only band missing from that legendary tour was Suicide Silence. Whitechapel and Suicide Silence changed my world man, thanks for doing this episode.

[@matthrsy]

Part two needed! Thanks Garza

[@ridleysomeliana-lauer5814]

Stoked on this one. Love that y’all pinned Ross as one of the prototypes for the deathcore gutturals. Dude is absolutely a big blueprint.

[@lchaney]

One of the greatest bands to EVER do it. Cant believe you guys were rivals, but it makes sense. You're both prolific, genre-defining bands. Also, I love everything from Somatic to Kin and people need to stop expecting bands to keep putting out the same album over and over again.

[@misterkenova6695]

This was great! Cheers dude!

[@KardashevBand]

Mad respect for the candidness of this conversation. Awesome discussion. Thank you for hosting this, Garza.

[@donp3mofo521]

My introduction to deathcore was Whitechapel’s This Is Exile & Suicide Silence’s The Cleansing. Those 2 albums will always be the golden GOATs for me, and still listen to religiously. This podcast episode makes the high school version of me so happy 🖤

[@mooredrummer95]

Well worth the wait. Favorite podcast from Garza hands down

[@MrAlecksTv]

awesome interview love both bands. Glad to see the guys all get along

[@Claybizzle]

Antagony formed in 1998 and played a lot of shows and had members that went on to form All Shall Perish.

[@VitrificationOfBlood]

Love this podcast man! Suggestion: get Full of Hell on here, the masters of the extreme currently.

[@DregHeaps]

Big yup

[@ovechkin0831]

Whitechapel is by far one of my favorite bands of all time. Phil is the absolute best and one of my biggest inspirations in screaming. So excited for this!

[@kazanyemmi]

All this talk about the myspace days takes me back to when my band opened for Suicide Silence in 2009. I had such a difficult time back then because we opened litteral days after i foubd my mom after she passed away. Some of my friends told me i didn't need to play and shouldnt feel bad if i didn't but it was probably the best thing i could do in that point in time because who knew if id ever have that opportunity to open for one of my top five again.

[@blantonstamey6455]

Great podcast! Thoroughly enjoyed this since there’s not a ton of podcasts/interviews out there with Whitechapel.

[@matthewrobinson7780]

30:53 " as soon as we are born we start dying" that was metal.

[@TexasRigour]

Met Phil in 2011 after summer slaughter outside HOB in Houston. Really nice guy thank you very much for pic.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

knight of the abyss from AZ and Job for a cowboy were so amazing in that era 2006-2007

[@joeblow8278]

43:45 this is exactly why i will always prefer small venue shows over arena style venues. If Phil and the boys are ever coming across the iowa/illinois border please consider stopping off at RIBCO or another small local venue for a one off show. I'd love to see it.

[@jaytonlening]

Massive thank you to both bands for being apart of my youth and the memories that I have with your music as the soundtrack. Also all the shows I got to be apart seeing you both and other bands of the time. So stoked on this interview 🤘🏼

[@Kuba16BVB]

What a sic Studio Set Up 🤘

[@uolegullook3847]

Listened to WC all through late high school - even started a band and wanted to be like Phil. Fell out of the "Deathcore" scene a few years after and randomly came across "Kin" and man what a life changing album. Love the direction, and love how these dudes are still doing so well.

[@WiredAnxiety]

3:00 The band he's talking about is probably 'ANTAGONY'

[@RowdyChocolateOfficial]

Yeah I think that's the one!

[@DiamondLifer]

Or Animosity who was ahead of everyone.

[@WiredAnxiety]

@@DiamondLifer Might have to check that one out. I don’t know about them.

[@bingokill]

I think one of the best now is Tom Barber, he's not just very technical and impressive but also very creative and different! 🤘❤️

[@tedaldifabrice2595]

Thank you Chris, nice episode 🤌👊 Cheers from France 🇫🇷

[@alexaro1672]

I played a show with Whitechapel with my old band Shot Down Sun back in 2006 before they signed to Metalblade at a VFW hall in Maine. There wasn’t many people there lol. I think it was their first tour alongside With Blood Comes Cleansing and Years Spent Cold.

[@subarufreak4237]

The band that Phil couldnt remember, that everyone says started deathcore, is Antagony.

[@jeremy7383]

The band Phil is thinking of is probably Antagony, which is true. Deathcore wouldn't what it is without Despised, Antagony, Job, ASP and Animosity.

[@nickparker9062]

im so fucking glad the 1st band he said was all shall perish...

[@markavery6713]

That was an incredible view!! Just awesome to listen to & feel that genuine warmth & sadness, commroderie, especially with Mitch. Thanks so much for that!🖤🖤🤘👊🥁🖤

[@brucejones7389]

I saw Whitechapel in Chicago 2015 at Mayhem Festival and I was hooked ever since

[@seanbrotzgemusicandcovers2476]

This is so cool 😎 seeing Garza Podcast with Alex and Phil 🤘🤘 thank you Garza and Phil and Alex for doing this !!! So inspiring and cool to see the 2 GOATS of deathcore talk about literally everything 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@tylercarman2010]

Oh shit! This should be good!

[@kadajtribal8532]

Getting older make us wiser. I don't know who said this but it still rings today; "A smart man learns from his mistakes but a wise man learns from the mistakes of others."

[@WorldofFood]

Three OGs shooting the shit and discuss pioneering the genre. Excellent stuff!

[@ThunderRooster]

Such a good episode Garza! It was good to hear about the rivalry between your bands. Did not know that.

[@pipecastph3317]

"as soon as we're born, we start dying". This has always been in my vocab.

[@chazhartwayne6493]

Amazing one. Love Phil. This really deserves a second part

[@ernest1576]

I'm 60yrs. Old your song anticure caught my attention your previous music is very different than bands of your time should have won a Grammy for that song

[@Aenigmakil]

Two of the only bands I love where the latest three albums are my favourites from both.

[@DCT97]

The Red Chord is the band he was thinking of from 1999

[@jg7923]

I think that he might be talking about Embodyment.

[@zannyreflections9651]

Hey Chris this podcast is sick, glad it popped up on my feed 🤙🏼

[@shredhead4604]

God I love this band. I’m a little older at 41, so I really came up through the Nu-Metal era and been there from the beginning of Deathcore, only I didn’t grab a 7-String like everyone and their brothers did. I thank 7Dust for that and Clint Lowery for selling guitar. Drop B is still the lowest I write in. I either play in C# or Drop B which is my favorite tuning. Max of Soulfly and Clint and John of Dust are all guitar hero’s of mine who love the B tunings, though 7Dust is giving us some crazier tunings these days on recent albums. Hell their song Fence is in Drop G# and I am loving it. 7Dust can’t do any wrong though. Another thank you goes out to Ross Robinson for his inspirations. Anyway I would luv to see Whitechapel record an album with Ross like SS did with S-T. My favorite Suicide album is SELF-TITLED. All these gen-z fanboys gave them so much shxt over that album and it is my absolute most favorite SS record. I liked that they wrote for themselves, they didn’t write to please a fan base. Now all you hear is how the last couple albums after Self-Titled have thankfully went back to their original sound. Well what is original anymore? I actually wish SS would incorporate more of the Self-Titled album in newer releases. The clean guitar tones, the clean singing, just everything about that album to me is nostalgic. It’s like SS was paying homage to those who came before them, inspired them etc. Well I would absolutely luv to see what Ross could pull out of these guys and especially Phil on vocals. Phil has written some deep dark stuff, but I am sure Ross would get the gnarly out of him even more. Phil’s combination between gutturals and cleans are just too good. I almost felt Kin had too much clean singing at times but no complaints whatsoever, because the album is awesome. To me The Valley and Kin are a masterpiece together. Now we need a trilogy with the next album ;) Phil is the best vocalist in the scene, hands down no questions, dudes vocals are the absolute best. I’ve watched the “I Will Find You” music video probably a 100 times at this point haha, my favorite song off the album and that is hard to say with so many other great songs. Anyway this was a great interview! Two great people there Alex and Phil. Yea we all already know Garza is great ;) 🤘🎸🤘